00:08:56 "Contrary to popular belief, there are people out there using Smalltalk on the web. Two of them." 00:09:31 http://www.nextthing.org/archives/2005/08/07/fun-with-http-headers 00:11:17 Apparently Opera supported Cookies 2 in 2005. Wonder if it still does. 00:11:33 is cookies 2 a lack of cookies 00:12:52 'Why anyone would think to themselves, “Gee, if a massively scalable caching service running on hundreds of geographically distributed computers can’t handle the load of people wanting to look at my site, I’ll just have them bounce people back at me”, I don’t know. Masochism perhaps?' 00:13:18 haha, dublin core 00:13:38 is that a kind of music 00:15:00 also wow someone using purl 00:17:20 I should start using it again or something 00:20:24 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8711584/x-pad-avoid-browser-bug-header-added-by-apache 00:22:14 how very silly. 00:23:18 I wonder if any of these easter egg headers end up being a security risk 00:23:45 Imagine if some server was outputting ... something interesting, just because it could, and then that interesting thing ends up in a spec 00:24:39 As in, maybe in some language, Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * is a really hilarious joke, so someone back in 2003 or so put it in their response 00:25:07 dumber things have happened but i can't think of one offhand 00:25:50 Well, that picqued my interest 00:26:12 picarded my interest 00:26:23 I don't know how to spell picqued 00:26:24 none of the headers on the page seem particularly vulnerable to that 00:26:36 picqed? piqued? 00:26:36 unless we standardize limericks at some point? 00:26:49 @wn picqued 00:26:50 No match for "picqued". 00:26:57 i give up 00:26:59 I think it's piqued. No red squigglies. 00:27:05 squigglies gets the squigglies. 00:27:09 @wn piqued 00:27:10 No match for "piqued". 00:27:20 YOU BASTARDS JUST HAD TO DRAW ME BACK IN 00:28:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:29:08 picante my interest 00:30:24 -!- Dandalion has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:30:32 peaked? 00:30:38 That's certainly a real word, at least. 00:31:24 it means something else 00:31:48 -!- boily has quit (Quit: pickle.). 00:32:08 i guess it's 'piqued' 00:32:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:32:10 fuck you wn 00:32:33 peeked my interest 00:35:29 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:38:30 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:38:34 Are there encryption schemes in which keys can be of a certain length or any arbitrary length larger? 00:39:02 (Hmm, how to exclude one-time pads from being a valid answer...) 00:39:07 *practical 00:39:41 are you implying one time pads aren't practical or 00:41:29 you can periodically rotate keys 00:41:39 A better and less insulting way to exclude OTPs, for the reason I want to exclude them: can be of a certain length or arbitrary length larger, where the only reason to increase key size is to increase security and not as a result of neccessity due to larger amounts of material to encrypt or decrypt 00:42:36 there are a lot of systems where an actual encryption key is derived from an arbitrary-length passphrase or such 00:43:00 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:44:16 Ok. 00:44:35 Just wanted to be sure that there wasn't any value in the scheme that some guy at tech club came up with 00:45:41 -!- JesseH has joined. 00:45:46 (Consisting of randomizing the order that a bunch of schemes are done in) 00:45:59 And amount, and which schemes are used 00:46:36 hey i did something pretty cool https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/r909.zip 00:46:49 ;__; 00:46:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:46:58 it's a semi-faithful recreation of revolution 909 (the daft punk song) 00:47:03 in under 60 kB 00:47:03 I hate downloading zips but I'de love to take a look 00:47:16 (zipped) 00:47:42 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/r909.mod unzipped it's just over 100 kB which isn't as cool 00:47:43 what format? 00:47:45 oh 00:47:49 nooodl, sounds sweet so far 00:48:05 it loops btw 00:48:14 sexy 00:48:20 @.@ 00:48:20 Maybe you meant: . @ 00:48:22 that's it 00:48:36 I'll make a language that is designed to make music. 00:48:54 mod? 00:48:57 ? 00:49:20 amiga module file 00:49:32 something like vlc should be able to play it 00:49:42 machine code : asm :: .mod : JesseH's language? 00:49:44 Make a brainfuck variant. 00:49:51 That outputs music. 00:49:56 nah 00:49:57 :P 00:50:02 By directly interpreting how the tape pointer moves 00:50:06 I meant, maybe JesseH should just use .mod as the language 00:50:12 With no other interface 00:50:15 http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html 00:50:15 Sgeo, right um..maybe 00:50:22 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:51:18 sweet 00:51:54 -!- carado has joined. 00:52:29 -!- carado has quit (Client Quit). 00:52:55 wow what, vlc totally screws it up 00:52:56 music's always been based on modular arithmetic, really 00:53:04 guess you'll need modplug or something 00:53:45 modplay?? 00:54:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:56:06 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:57:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:08:39 'In 2008, an iPhone app called Pull My Finger was one of the most popular apps in Apple's App Store, purchased over 50,000 times in less than one week. It allowed users to pull a virtual finger, activating the sound. The phrase is now the focus of a legal battle between Pull My Finger and iFart over the use of the phrase.' 01:10:51 -!- Bike has set topic: #esoteric is now the focus of a legal battle between Pull My Finger and iFart | Chinese graphics card problem resolved! (Again!) | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://code.org/logs/_esoteric/. 01:11:04 -!- Bike has set topic: #esoteric is now the focus of a legal battle between Pull My Finger and iFart | Chinese graphics card problem resolved! (Again!) | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 01:13:03 What's the difference between those two topics? 01:13:28 code.org 01:13:33 Oh 01:24:48 -!- carado has joined. 01:40:41 -!- quintopia has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 01:41:13 -!- quintopia has joined. 01:57:03 -!- carado has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:05:15 Huh. Watchmen is DC? 02:05:22 I thought it was just... its own universe or something 02:05:32 (Still haven't started reading, but received it today) 02:08:39 It's /published/ by DC, that doesn't mean it's part of the universe with superman and all. 02:21:54 Hmm, ok. 02:23:07 it's their "Vertigo" imprint, that they use for weird stuff. iirc. 02:50:12 -!- augur has joined. 02:51:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:51:51 -!- augur has joined. 02:52:22 The "Vertigo" imprint is for stuff that is for "more mature audiences". 02:52:31 Regardless of whether or not it's in the DC verse. 02:52:41 For instance, Sandman is in the DC verse, but it's Vertigo. 02:57:47 writing tip: Every paragraph should be a run-on sentence (i.e. a sentence (like this one) with many (i.e. more than 20) words) and if you (meaning the author) need to define any terms (i.e. words which the reader (meaning someone reading your document) may not know) then just tack them on (as a parenthetical (i.e. in parentheses)) at the first use of the term (also, if you have any unrelated further thoughts, tack them onto the end of 02:59:15 it's cool how chomsky says language is recursive and then i can't handle more than one level of parenthetical if it's not at the end 03:00:23 i hear that german is a stack based language where all the verbs go at the end 03:00:25 or something 03:00:53 i've heard that too 03:01:06 * kmc is currently trying to read a document written in this style and stab stab stab stab stab 03:01:13 Bike: the thing is, right 03:01:36 left? 03:01:39 that the REAL problem with embedding is when its subject relatives 03:01:49 when the subject has a relative clause 03:01:53 in which the subject has a relative clause 03:01:57 so like 03:02:29 (the man that (the boy that ate pizza) met) is tall 03:02:37 center embedding is fun as hell yes 03:02:56 one level deeper, bad 03:02:56 maybe the person who wrote this document is a lot smarter than me (likely) and can handle more recursion 03:03:02 but its because the embedding is in the subject 03:03:13 put that embedding anywhere else and its fine, or at least MUCH better 03:03:31 and interestingly, you get significantly better at these bad ones when you're around people who use them 03:03:36 its a processing issue somehow. 03:03:41 the man that the boy that the girl at the store saw met is tall 03:03:46 also very interestingly, japanese MUST use center embedding 03:03:50 because its a headfinal language 03:03:54 and they have no problems with it at all 03:04:25 notice also that we have a lot of leftward WH dependencies there 03:04:38 saw looks left for its object "the boy" 03:04:47 met looks left for its object "the man" 03:04:58 there are a LOT of leftward dependencies as a whole too 03:05:14 all of the verb ones are leftward here 03:05:16 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 03:05:19 which is really rare for english 03:05:30 so theres probably some kind of parsing optimization thats happened 03:05:40 But utterly mundane in Japanese... 03:05:44 yep 03:05:59 center embedding in japanese is par for the course 03:06:27 i mean, despite SVO and OVS word order options, you still get lots of center embedding. 03:07:00 And when you use SOV... Yeah. 03:07:07 -!- constant has changed nick to trout. 03:08:01 S (((O V) O V) O) V 03:08:07 or something like that 03:08:11 find for japanese. 03:08:32 Yeah, that's kinda how the parsing goes. 03:09:01 augur: I think Japaneses use the same strategy as left-recursive parsers? 03:09:08 ((O V) S) ((O V) O) V too. 03:09:19 noone knows how parsing works in natural language :P 03:09:30 right, but just a hypothesis. 03:09:32 S (((O V) O V) O) V is german too, right? 03:10:04 FYI Korean is similar (Japanese and Korean shares the common grammatical structure) 03:10:13 or I guess maybe also S V (((O V) O V) O) V 03:10:21 clearly i shouldn't pretend to know shit about linguistics in the future 03:10:25 Yeah, Korean and Japanese have stunningly similar grammar from what I've seen. 03:10:56 Probably the best argument for them being (distantly) related. 03:11:02 german is maybe SOV 03:11:10 except in main clauses where its XV... 03:11:14 augur: is it a combination of SOV and SVO? 03:11:15 verb second with some focal thing first 03:11:24 isn't it* 03:11:28 and except for subclauses which are after the verb/noun 03:11:56 lifthrasiir: not quite 03:12:03 hmm 03:12:04 its a V2 language, which means verb second 03:12:09 the "topic" comes first 03:12:11 then everything else 03:12:17 but everything else looks SOV 03:12:19 interesting 03:12:34 really tho its probably SVO underlyingly 03:12:56 I've learned German a bit (and almost completely forgotten it now) and I think I've seen both structures 03:13:20 http://i.imgur.com/4J7Il0m.jpg stupid future 03:14:07 that's not as good as http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Koverto-kun-krakozjabroj.png and you know it 03:14:36 mojibake~~ 03:14:52 they're both good ok 03:14:54 in different ways 03:14:56 granted 03:15:00 > iterate show "" 03:15:05 mueval: ExitFailure 1 03:15:06 mueval: Prelude.undefined 03:15:11 lambdabot you're the worst 03:15:12 :t iterate 03:15:17 (a -> a) -> a -> [a] 03:15:20 > take 20 $ iterate show "" 03:15:26 mueval: ExitFailure 1 03:15:26 mueval: Prelude.undefined 03:15:27 kmc: wow 03:15:27 lambdabot needs to go to rehab or something 03:15:35 Sgeo: oi! this isnt #haskell 03:15:57 ) <'Nor is it #jsoftware' 03:15:57 Sgeo: +--------------------+ 03:15:57 Sgeo: |Nor is it #jsoftware| 03:15:57 Sgeo: +--------------------+ 03:16:06 i'm confused by this idea that this isn't #haskell 03:16:13 #j-erkoffs 03:16:15 this is #esoteric 03:16:20 what 03:16:23 oh shit you're right 03:16:24 its where we walk about implementing haskell in brainfuck 03:16:35 -!- Bike has left ("oops sorry"). 03:16:43 lol 03:16:53 > iterate (concatMap (let f '&' = "&"; f x = [x] in f)) "fish & chips" 03:16:55 -!- Bike has joined. 03:16:56 ["fish & chips","fish & chips","fish & chips","fish &am... 03:17:00 i need to come up with better jokes. 03:17:03 Bike: youll fit in here nicely :) 03:19:18 ā€¦ 03:24:40 :t show 03:24:44 Show a => a -> String 03:24:57 > iterate show "" 03:24:59 ["","\"\"","\"\\\"\\\"\"","\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\"\"","\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\... 03:25:11 why didn't that... but... buh. 03:26:48 -!- Gregor has set topic: ā€®#esoteric is now the focus of a legal battle between Pull My Finger and iFart | Chinese graphics card problem resolved! (Again!) | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 03:27:42 did i do something wrong gregor 03:28:02 Bike: If the topic looks unchanged to you, your Unicode support sucks :) 03:28:52 v_v 03:29:22 I'm not seeing the difference. 03:29:29 Care to identify it? 03:30:11 I'm wondering if it's Unicode breakage I know about, or Unicode breakage I don't know about. :) 03:33:29 http://www.byond.com/members/Sgeo?command=view_post&post=135032&first_unread=1 03:33:46 pikhq_: ā€®I put a Unicode right-to-left override at the beginning. 03:34:00 Ah, the Unicode breakage I know about then. 03:34:07 I... don't know if I rediscovered that concept, that you still need to know something about a 'new type', or if it's this thread that made me realize 03:34:42 Sgeo: "better implemented using eval()" lolololol 03:40:36 I should relearn DM 03:42:59 dark magic? 03:43:05 Really a lot of what it provides could be done by libraries... well, and a client that knows how to talk to the library 03:43:16 http://www.byond.com/developer/articles/whitepaper 03:43:27 i have a copy of some grimoire somewhere, it's amazingly boring 03:43:30 Don't need an entire new programming language for this 03:43:32 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:43:39 you're supposed to start out by meditating for hours straight 03:43:41 snore!! 04:03:13 "An integer, in the context of computing, is a variable capable of representing a real number with no fractional part." 04:03:16 * kmc sobs 04:08:13 oh it's copumpkin's birthday? 04:08:21 happy birthday copumpkin 04:11:44 hopumpkin 04:12:01 bropumpkins before hopumpkins 04:15:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:15:36 thanks! :) 04:17:36 -!- Bike has joined. 04:17:48 Just saw the word rebus 04:18:03 Reminds me of the only other place I have seen that word -- a computer game for teaching math 04:18:15 I shoudl look for that came 04:18:16 game 04:19:38 rebuses before jebuses 05:01:25 'Second Life, Cloud Party and Virtual Paradise allow you to reserve a unique name for free. Additionally, none of them suffer from the lowercase “L” and “I” impersonation issue that has been present since 1995.' 05:01:49 snort 05:03:09 In a comment on FB 05:03:10 'Telegrams have been going missing for over a decade. Chrispeg has never been able to fix it. I've lost thousands of telegrams due to AW's bugs. AWI is aware of these issues but never does anything about it.' 06:31:33 kmc: An integer is an integer 06:32:29 ?faq Are integers integers? 06:32:29 The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. 06:32:38 what 06:33:03 that wasn't very helpful, lambdabot 06:33:06 :āŗ) 06:33:45 Integers are integers in Haskell 06:34:14 Proof there are infinitely many Integers: 06:34:20 > maxBound :: Integer 06:34:23 No instance for (GHC.Enum.Bounded GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) 06:34:24 arising from... 06:34:28 -!- Bike_ has joined. 06:34:41 Gotta go 06:34:43 -!- FreeFull has quit. 06:35:25 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 06:35:27 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 06:44:06 welp 06:44:09 that clears it all up 06:44:52 INTEGERS 06:45:59 ##jesseh is how this channel should look 06:46:37 we have lost our way 06:46:42 who 06:46:45 is jesse 06:47:09 JesseH made an esolang called derplang. his channel ##jesseh is full of discussion about it. 06:47:33 (the language is a simplified basic except you write everything on one line) 06:47:59 how full 06:47:59 well depending on what xth part of the program means 06:48:04 maybe it's harder 06:48:06 err 06:48:12 16 people 06:48:22 anyway gotta go 06:58:48 i will never understand channels named after people 07:00:29 Thatā€™s why youā€™re not on #elliott and the rest of us are. 07:01:37 [17118.996066] pool[12036]: segfault at 7f4003a062d0 ip 00007f4002cf507d sp 00007f40002fdc60 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7f4002c7e000+180000] <-- isn't it fun with segfaults you have zero clue what they refer to 07:02:26 go digging 07:02:32 gigging 07:02:38 can't find a binary named "pool" anywhere on my system 07:02:54 not in /usr, /lib, /bin or /sbin anyway 07:03:50 08:03:45 [Users #elliott] 07:03:50 08:03:45 [@elliott] 07:04:03 the official elliott channel. all elliott, all the time. 07:04:13 Hm, processes can modify what shows up in ps aux I know, but is the name listed in dmesg the modified value? 07:04:21 If so I probably have no chance of finding it 07:04:39 Bike: literally my life 07:06:39 yeah, i don't know 07:06:57 also the ip value is probably from a random offset 07:07:01 It is at times like this when a locate database would be helpful, I don't have one, since usually the indexing is more annoying and I very rarely use the feature... 07:08:14 has kmc bought me a computer yet 07:08:52 no why would i 07:08:53 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:09:14 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 07:09:33 pretty sure that's your new job! 07:10:11 does it pay 07:10:49 yes 07:10:50 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:10:55 i'll pay you however much the computer costs 07:11:12 what if i tell you the computer costs Ā£10,000 07:11:26 kmc, cheap for an industrial computer! 07:11:31 i'd be upset you exploited me like that 07:11:36 i know you're a better person than that 07:11:41 aw thanks 07:11:58 elliott, why not buy one yourself? 07:12:05 Vorpal: i'd have to pick one 07:12:16 and i'm officially retired from thinking about computers ever again 07:12:16 elliott, laptop? 07:12:20 i don't know 07:12:40 elliott, well then I would suggest kmc gets you a rack mounted server. 07:12:43 my criteria are: it should be good; it should annoy me less than this one does; i should be able to run ghc on it 07:13:04 elliott, should it be portable or not? 07:13:26 i don't know 07:13:57 small computers are certainly less fussy and it's not inconceivable i'd want to take it places 07:14:00 on the other hand, screen real estate 07:14:01 kmc, okay, get a rack mounted server and put dual GTX Titans in it! 07:14:39 um, I guess a related question, I've noticed after ~8 months my laptop has started to accumulate small bits of screen damage probably from me carting it to work every single day and it not being really designed for that 07:14:46 kmc, also a SAN solution with SSDs in RAID10 07:14:52 is there some way to avoid that happening when carting it around, or is it pretty much going to happen? 07:14:59 i saw a sony laptop at the store that had SSDs in RAID0 07:15:03 and like. are there after-market screen replacements or does one just have to replace the laptop <_> 07:15:27 usually the manufacturer can do a replacement, or you can buy a new panel on ebay and do it yourself 07:15:27 Fiora, the screen area itself? Or the back of it? 07:15:37 kmc, SSDs in RAID0? 07:15:41 yep 07:15:42 wow 07:15:50 I would never ever use RAID0 for anything 07:15:54 too paranoid for that 07:15:55 for super speed 07:15:59 Vorpal: um.... well like, it looks like the damage is ""behind"" the screen surface? 07:16:02 Fiora: i think you can get replacement stuff (but i don't know anything about it) 07:16:18 I think sony basically started with the idea "if we made a $3,000 laptop, some people will buy it" and worked backwards from there 07:16:30 Fiora, so not on the back on the laptop then? The backside of the monitor with all the logos and so on 07:16:41 with ThinkPads it is pretty easy to get replacement part numbers and repair manuals 07:16:49 yep 07:16:57 Vorpal: no, like, the screen, the thing that makes light and displays stuff 07:17:01 ah.. 07:17:11 well I guess replacement would be needed. not sure how to protect against it 07:17:16 get a toughbook maybe? 07:17:21 it had lots of blue LEDs of course 07:17:38 Fiora: what does the screen damage look like? 07:18:19 kmc: um... in one place there's what looks sort of like a spec of black dirt behind the screen (but not like dead pixels) 07:18:23 like it doesn't look pixelly 07:18:27 Hm 07:18:30 hm 07:18:33 in another there's like a slightly dark spot a few mm wide 07:18:37 i haven't had that happen with my thinkpads, I don't think 07:18:44 I haven't seen that either 07:18:53 it's probably my fault for carting this thing around 30 minutes a day every day 07:18:55 i have cracked LCD panels but that's huge and bovious 07:18:58 obvious too 07:19:09 and probably doing dumb things like dropping it because I'm a klutz 07:19:10 bovious, adj: of or pertaining to cows 07:19:17 also the toughbook looks ridiculously heavy 07:19:47 My LCD panels usually just end up getting dimmer over time. And usually for my desktop the backlight fails. Every single LCD that failed on me, it was the backlight. 07:20:16 Fiora, well yeah, but they are durable 07:20:28 Fiora: what manufacturer is your laptop from? 07:20:54 it's a sager np9150 07:20:54 I know only one guy who managed to break a toughbook. 07:22:03 And he works as an ambulance driver, so rather rough conditions 07:24:11 how did it happen 07:24:34 kmc, he managed to drop it about 2.5 meters, and the HDD popped right out of it. 07:25:07 yikes 07:25:15 yeah, that shouldn't usually happen with those 07:25:43 kmc, not rugged enough I say, I work with far more rugged hardware daily. 07:26:13 (industrial computers for mining equipment) 07:27:04 (they are often in conditions with high temperature, high humidity and salty water) 07:27:22 oh yeah well I work with computers in SPACE!! 07:27:27 laptops made of nebulae 07:27:30 ;P 07:28:38 Bike, what is the IP classing? 07:29:19 Bike: you work with computers inside of cows 07:29:49 -!- SingingBoyo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:30:25 bbl 07:30:25 Vorpal: what 07:30:35 elliott: have you ever been inside a cow? pretty rough conditions imo 07:30:44 Bike, ? 07:30:47 i was born inside of a cow 07:30:51 what ip classing what are you talking about 07:30:57 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code 07:31:04 that 07:31:13 also bbl really, have to leave for a while 07:32:02 man i don't know if i'll ever get used to people believing things i say 07:35:02 Bike. 07:35:05 it was Vorpal's attempt at a joke. 07:36:45 that's some next-level shit. 07:37:16 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 08:22:16 My GPU fan decided to jump to silly level after the resuming from suspend to ram. What 08:22:23 Sensor 0: Temperature - 40.00 C 08:22:23 Fan Speed: 60% 08:22:32 I'll try rebooting I guess 08:22:45 that happens to me sometimes too, like when the battery mysteriously won't charge or the fan is stuck on max or things 08:22:48 I have no idea why 08:22:53 Fiora, this is on a desktop though 08:23:02 oh, geez, even weirder 08:23:22 well, I guess I'll have to reboot, can't see any other option... 08:23:24 bbl 08:26:22 Yeah rebooting helped 08:26:40 Sensor 0: Temperature - 41.00 C 08:26:40 Fan Speed: 21% 08:27:25 If you want a linux computer that actually works perfectly, either get a server or a thinkpad with intel graphics and intel wifi 08:27:27 -_- 08:28:11 Fiora, ^ 08:28:44 This computer can't even properly suspend to disk, it just doesn't work. Neither in windows nor linux. 08:29:10 I would assume suspend to disk was easier than suspend to ram wrt. hardware dependencies 08:29:39 it is just save ram to disk, shut down, on boot check if we should load ram from disk 08:29:49 but no, seems it isn't that easy 08:30:02 eesh 08:30:20 Also why does distcc always fail to start at boot: Fri May 10 10:25:11 2013: [....] Starting Distributed Compiler Daemon: distccd[....] /etc/init.d/distcc: start failed with error code 102 ...^[[?25l^[[?1c^[7^[[1G[^[[33mwarn^[[39;49m^[8^[[?25h^[[?0c ^[[33m(warning).^[[39;49m 08:30:26 works fine to start it after boot 08:31:14 " 102 Bind failed." 08:31:24 but network is up at that point 08:31:27 I checked that 08:32:38 also yes the color codes are messed up in /var/log/boot 08:32:48 does it give a more detailed error or something? 08:33:01 nope, "error code 102" is as far as I got 08:33:07 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3621960.html#3621960 08:33:09 since it work after boot I don't know how to debug it 08:33:15 apparently it puts more things in the log? 08:33:22 "/var/log/everything/current" 08:33:24