< 1368835256 53554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I am somewhat conflicted about these strips < 1368835311 376642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beating up strawmen is kind of annoying < 1368835321 485265 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.185-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that xkcd is so awful... < 1368835330 824742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because it's usually in a contrived situation with unrealistic dialogue because xkcd < 1368835349 596364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think some of the best xkcd strips are the ones that poke fun at the tropes of nerd culture < 1368835372 123454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a crappy example yes < 1368835379 741276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1368835387 552930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being ~random~ isn't even a nerd culture thing < 1368835410 334266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368835411 726764 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nerds don't exist so by implication any cultural thing is a nerd cultural thing < 1368835414 303654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also the alt text < 1368835417 172138 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.185-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recent footnotes one was very "classic xkcd" imo, it was cute < 1368835418 934113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where rm admits that he did this as a kid < 1368835426 796651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also misunderstands information theory i think < 1368835457 606580 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he takes bitcoin donations < 1368835459 866378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's used the same character (read: hairstyle) before, and it has generally been for contemptible stramwn < 1368835463 523072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strawmen < 1368835463 839345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol really < 1368835474 636231 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's right on the front page < 1368835477 422485 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.185-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this guy should just write what-if more and do comics less < 1368835513 217369 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, 'interesting' is interestingly hard to define, in information theory < 1368835530 122905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yeah < 1368835539 837678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a strip about pickup artists with this guy which would have been shit but relevant if it had come out a good few years before it did < 1368835540 709143 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since obviously he's right that random sequences have high (infinite) kolmogorov complexity, but such sequences are 'boring' < 1368835542 235049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have been suggesting that since before what-if existed < 1368835555 304720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah. i have heard of quantifying "Bayesian surprise" < 1368835562 715165 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ifn't < 1368835585 280969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think RM finds some personal satisfaction in releasing 3 comics a week, no matter how bad < 1368835592 406685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in the middle of personal crisis < 1368835598 639875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really begrudge him that < 1368835610 106053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean i'm not going to make fun of the result when it sucks < 1368835636 849536 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bayes and kolmogorov is interesting, you know that bayesion prior distribution that's in a sense "perfect"-ly bias-free, but uncomputable? < 1368835644 927817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard that < 1368835647 567996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really understand that < 1368835664 533485 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure anyone but solomonoff really does < 1368835672 212919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think xkcd has almost never missed an update and has been running for almost 8 years < 1368835676 704711 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that AIXI thing a while back related to it and AI, it seemed a bit dorky but oh well < 1368835681 404637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see wanting to keep the streak alive < 1368835690 658969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALERT hazardous concentrations of the word 'Bayesian' detected < 1368835697 323604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend purge of LWers from channel < 1368835710 222432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is not a phyg! < 1368835719 335781 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually more of a frequentist :D but that doesn't mean i don't like good probability research < 1368835723 281569 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is a phyg < 1368835728 506418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 phyg < 1368835728 757815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what a phyg is and i never want to < 1368835730 335879 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cult < 1368835736 615047 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how clever" < 1368835758 418047 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have a book on kolmogorov that goes into uses for bayesian inference and stuff < 1368835771 337110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the word that the Singularity Institute^W^WMachine Intelligence Research Institute people use to talk about whether they're a cult without giving googlejuice to "singularity institute cult" < 1368835777 382974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think LWers as well < 1368835786 437342 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some neat bits about reconstructing phylogenetic relationships based on approximations of kolmogorov complexity (that approximation being gzip) < 1368835788 784723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SingInst sold the name "Singularity" to someone else) < 1368835791 593196 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i understand about 8% of the book < 1368835804 111659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: best esolang? < 1368835813 687622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it tc < 1368835829 925308 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns really loudly
< 1368835831 315918 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool that just whatever practical compression algorithm can be used like that, i think < 1368835841 600171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1368835845 629190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: when i was an undergrad I did some research into quantifying complexity in the cell lineage tree of C. elegans < 1368835848 400989 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1368835848 943134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't really go anywhere < 1368835851 382248 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :openttd < 1368835853 9194 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a thing < 1368835862 207562 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c elegans is the best imo < 1368835874 264761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically trying to make a small automaton which will describe the cell division pattern < 1368835880 917125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember way back when i read dmm's list of esoteric things i thought his tinyurl compression algorithm was amazing < 1368835888 788454 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :c difficile is better < 1368835898 300122 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh shit, developmental makes it like 90% craczier < 1368835901 432426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: do not want < 1368835917 869693 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :c facile? < 1368835925 758702 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c medium rare < 1368835932 567822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c. difficile is harmless with healthy immune systems isn't it < 1368835951 368524 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh, c difficile actually exists < 1368835953 967207 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's a nematode < 1368835972 707819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: i am saying that in my head as 'diffickilee' with all the i's short < 1368835980 421302 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"causes severe diarrhea and other intestinal disease when competing bacteria in the gut flora have been wiped out by antibiotics" < 1368835983 456569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin: not worth the risks < 1368835997 175069 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff ee sill < 1368836000 925112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stick with my friends S. cerevisiae and L. sanfranciscensis < 1368836024 191314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanfrankeeskensis < 1368836029 729122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read about gzip < 1368836031 167911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lenses < 1368836035 887948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And machines and pipes < 1368836042 360656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your rapper name can be G-Zip < 1368836046 611681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kereweeseeaee < 1368836052 432583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'machines' another haskell library < 1368836056 775112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes < 1368836088 795917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it do < 1368836098 727436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it edwardks < 1368836109 88652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An edwardk library that I think has similar goals to the pipes/conduits/blah except... hmm < 1368836111 241041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, I should add Rust to my short list of languages where objects (rather than just references to objects) are first-class values < 1368836122 490656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It defines a monad for creating a structure that gets compiled into something else < 1368836123 883283 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just found out my laptop has numlock, and spent ten seconds figuring out how to disable it < 1368836129 371712 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway http://www.bogleech.com/comics/comic7-barnacle.htm < 1368836139 742895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does edwardk give all his libraries dumb non-categorical names < 1368836146 833432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo stop it < 1368836247 943890 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368836258 980010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOMORROW < 1368836264 181546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOCTOR WHO SEASON FINALE < 1368836266 485810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jslkasdfjl < 1368836267 703190 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow < 1368836276 238399 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1368836280 376340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wibbly wobbly timey wimey < 1368836290 565661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi < 1368836293 511206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop fucking watching doctor who you piece of shi < 1368836295 846203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1368836324 452339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that when I stop reading Homestuck. Voluntarily, I mean. < 1368836325 804309 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :farscape season finale tomorrow!! or at least you can watch it then < 1368836339 597810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the homestuck-doctor who link < 1368836342 228902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not even CLOSE to the season finale < 1368836347 997834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also, should I be watching Farscape or finishing DS9? < 1368836352 337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you want me to both < 1368836352 619550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuurgh < 1368836356 861170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate < 1368836360 101462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fucking alternate < 1368836367 121126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the series finale of The Office (US) was yesterday < 1368836368 718629 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv shows are important < 1368836369 447071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you stopped before in the pale moonlight < 1368836386 359393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember where I stopped < 1368836398 561817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you remember sisko beating the shit out of garak < 1368836402 852101 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna give phantom an aneurysm! < 1368836426 864866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL STAUNCH THE BLOOD WITH BRICK < 1368836428 132174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rust has several, exciting kinds of pointer < 1368836452 987294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no, but I remember Garak *spoilers* and Sisko feeling guilty < 1368836456 295748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard. < 1368836474 190179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checked: In the Pale Moonlight is season 6. I'm partly into season 7 < 1368836494 853548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW COULD YOU STOP AFTER WATCHING IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT < 1368836556 30413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because attempting to watch TV for 32 hours straight isn't considered healthy? < 1368836595 805159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING YOU DO IS HEALTHY < 1368836671 480880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Staying up 36 hours is unhealthy but that doesn't stop my body from keeping me awake for that long! < 1368836763 349021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned boxes, managed boxes, and borrowed pointers < 1368836786 953186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe other stuff < 1368836858 358339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"owned boxes" huh < 1368836875 357280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I learn Rust? < 1368836883 630309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, something to do with concurrency? < 1368836891 651406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, ownership < 1368836907 602962 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rented box < 1368836913 12876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ownership is a much more general concept than concurrency < 1368836920 355923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/o/O/ s/$/./ < 1368836939 652699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ownership is a much more general concept than currency < 1368836951 176386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think Rust's concurrency mechanism may use a concept of 'ownership' for different ... actor things, I guess? I don't know, I only half-remember reading Rust docs a long time ago < 1368836959 973911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they're sort of like std::unique_ptr I guess < 1368836982 762251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an owned box is allocated in the heap and is owned by exactly one variable (or structure field) < 1368836989 140445 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you some kind of primitivist elliott!!! < 1368836998 905098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it can be deleted deterministically when that thing goes out of scope < 1368837007 480662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no gc < 1368837010 895826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this website is the best ever < 1368837012 449273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://143.228.193.in-addr.arpa/ < 1368837026 823910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I think the concurrent message passing stuff involves transfering ownership of these < 1368837028 127462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the fact that that domain is pointing to a website < 1368837036 109015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: every IPv4 address has such a name < 1368837044 351299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, but you only have 3 octets there < 1368837046 522815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mebbe not < 1368837047 517750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow i'm offended < 1368837106 557077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and managed boxes are garbage collected but can't be transferred between threads < 1368837107 311039 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what other things in in-addr.arpa have records other than the reverse DNS one
< 1368837109 139124 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368837114 42559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means threads can GC independently < 1368837121 815616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my understanding after 5 min of reading < 1368837232 82262 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how modern! < 1368837241 213736 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait rust has gc? huh < 1368837295 944603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need objects to be explicit about needing to be GCed < 1368837307 250275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the sort of things that require GC are allowed < 1368837311 161932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that an older version < 1368837324 690104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed boxes are subject to GC < 1368837345 789245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust does the nice Haskell thing where immutable values are distinguished from variables and boxes (which may be mutable or not) < 1368837355 502718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368837361 349421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand all of the mutability rules yet < 1368837384 137478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the Servo dev I talked to today said that there are supposed to be fewer breaking changes in Rust going forward, and that yes there have been some nightmares recently < 1368837388 894280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure does it too. Or would except for the whole Java compatibility thing < 1368837390 483804 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, but only a subset of Rust objects are GC'd. < 1368837393 396887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it's a good time to learn Rust < 1368837407 189294 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :figgers < 1368837437 171498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was going to use Rust for something once but all the breaking changes discouraged me. < 1368837440 297437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogously there are also managed closures < 1368837454 131883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I should use it now! < 1368837457 493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default kind of closure is allocated on the stack, and so is no good for returning functions < 1368837465 48735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust's stdlib seems kind of unusable. < 1368837469 935479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what's kept me from playing with it. < 1368837495 696031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Rust work on Windows? < 1368837508 965740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..I'm not even running Windows right now, but I still want to know < 1368837529 356102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a working browser in Rust would itself be cool, but it's also cool because it will push rust and its stdlib to become more polished < 1368837548 8975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the plan was just to build a rendering engine for now anyway < 1368837554 777210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1368837572 421800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're using Spidermonkey for JS, and a bunch of other external libraries < 1368837577 173837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Rust do better than Haskell? < 1368837592 12755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Act as a migration path for imperative coders? :P < 1368837596 633372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: precise control over how objects are allocated < 1368837608 772100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell programs heap-allocate everything and garbage collect all the time < 1368837627 947050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you compile and run a Haskell program with GHC default settings, it's not uncommon to see that 90% of your time is spent in the garbage collector < 1368837640 67801 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus @_@ < 1368837654 72280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bit unfair :P < 1368837661 321396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is a systems language in the vein of C++, except with nice modern language features, and actually memory-safe rather than just sort of hinting towards a style which is memory safe < 1368837661 518612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather just maybe misleading < 1368837668 925103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unrecoverable unwinding with task isolation" < 1368837675 773625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think what pikhq said is unfair even though probably a joke < 1368837677 272292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a statically-typed language with recovering < 1368837677 724223 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And designed rather than accumulated. < 1368837685 991011 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have.................. algebraic types < 1368837689 595355 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It was a joke. < 1368837692 334538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, iirc yes < 1368837708 581393 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1368837715 65879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong though < 1368837721 964129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368837722 327176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/tutorial.html#control-structures < 1368837757 565396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I also disagree that C++ was "accumulated" < 1368837760 60437 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fairly interesting language. < 1368837761 84670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have Scheme-style macros? (I know it has some sort of syntactic ... thingy) < 1368837764 935105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parts of C++ do fit together pretty well < 1368837767 405850 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, coo'. < 1368837780 235980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people do not understand this because they don't know enough C++ < 1368837787 118224 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right, this is misleading. It's designed *wrong*, rather than being literally haphazard. < 1368837807 139279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has an extremely awkward set of design goals < 1368837813 531557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what they produced is not so bad given these goals < 1368837821 490318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly they made some mistakes < 1368837823 700520 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it ends up looking like a sort of mishmash, mostly because it is intended to have a large common subset with C. < 1368837831 790400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I blame it on the goals more than the execution < 1368837840 534361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes being a ~superset of C is one of those really awkward goals < 1368837846 196226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have just made a C FFI like any other language < 1368837846 528878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider the design goals 99% of what makes it "designed wrong". < 1368837849 815709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368837854 766343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a lens library for Rust? < 1368837861 221341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1368837894 221121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also screw scheme-style macros < 1368837899 102822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want real metaprograms damnit < 1368837904 900176 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately *most* of the awkward bits there you can find out that the reason for is 'we really wanted foo to work, and this is literally the only way to get it to work with bar and baz." < 1368837912 393465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368837958 482481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://what-if.xkcd.com/44/ < 1368837969 796685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do you mean by "real metaprograms" < 1368837970 847631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he just miss the part where it never specifies 'on earth's surface' < 1368837983 54100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it is not "unsafe-by-default metaprograms" < 1368837989 654180 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme-style and fuck-you style are copowerful so shruuuuug < 1368838012 809394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i meant I want to write Lisp programs that output Lisp programs < 1368838019 969451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not programs in some turing tarpit that output Lisp programs < 1368838036 273741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my limited experience, it's pretty easy to do this safely if you have some kind of auto-gensym mechanism < 1368838039 261572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For type casting, Rust uses the binary as operator. It takes an expression on the left side and a type on the right side and will, if a meaningful conversion exists, convert the result of the expression to the given type." < 1368838041 684383 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that as far as i can tell oleg uses not-scheme macros < 1368838050 130987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gensym doesn't even give hygiene, so < 1368838069 871687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives one half of it but actually i've forgotten the other half since who cares about lisp < 1368838071 434497 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't understand hygeine being a problem, does that seriously happen? < 1368838084 830316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: do people make mistakes? A: yes < 1368838090 615895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course my preferred system for hygenic metaprogramming is operatives < 1368838096 486071 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1368838109 818951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1368838117 591014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, did you learn Tcl yet? < 1368838122 516036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god no < 1368838138 610507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcl is easy to learn if you already know scheme < 1368838150 441932 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to get to completing my gf-operative-partial-evaluation fantasy < 1368838152 108274 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but work < 1368838152 786060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....is that "god no" a reaction mostly due to having heard rumors about Tcl, or some property of Tcl itself < 1368838167 441784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. imagine everything is strings 2. imagine you can access and poke into the scope of your callers (recursively) < 1368838180 571908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. scream a lil < 1368838183 134068 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why < 1368838199 36957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is a really bad language to try to learn by just trying to modify existing code < 1368838199 995304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is gf < 1368838203 473549 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic function < 1368838206 703315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1368838207 178014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to learn the fundamentals of how it works < 1368838237 630414 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my efforts to figure out how the fuck to make kernel fast i've found that the main problem may be being unable to assume that an arbitrary calling-position-thing doesn't replace your environment's $define! with monkeys-out-ass < 1368838256 237672 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just get rid of mutation, fuck mutation < 1368838261 777874 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :letrec fo lyfe < 1368838275 637356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't we just throw a generic tracing JIT at it and handwave < 1368838278 739962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well scheme has a similar problem right < 1368838281 76433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone already implemented Qoppa on PyPy < 1368838282 944643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rebind the global + < 1368838293 674753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I should do it on Racket eventually < 1368838295 146882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly your inner loop calls some slow ass bullshit < 1368838319 716830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and you should learn Tcl >.> < 1368838321 560301 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well in kernel you can't redefine things in some toplevel environment < 1368838324 951127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sort of think this kind of mutation which exposes "implementation details" should be banned, even by languages that allow mutation, though I'm not sure how to define exactly what makes it more objectionable or how you'd block it) < 1368838352 51704 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i just don't see why you'd want to do that really, defining things in a not-toplevel environment seems pointless < 1368838374 362088 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can tell the kernel guy only does it because he's used to scheme's define-is-actually-letrec thing except that in kernel it's not < 1368838384 768931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of hate kernel's naming scheme < 1368838391 299393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everything have a ! < 1368838392 956448 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like every time you call map you redefine and reevaluate six auxillary functions < 1368838394 878402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it isn't really mutating things < 1368838398 693037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the $s everywhere < 1368838399 89321 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1368838406 437217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like $define! :P < 1368838411 146815 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mutates the environment... < 1368838411 754505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :operatives have a $ < 1368838425 400058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly my problem with the language boils down to lack of closures, lack of quasiquoting, and not the best stdlib for functionalness < 1368838431 446081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure but that's a kind of weak sense of mutation < 1368838434 666522 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1368838437 37824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still an interesting take on metaprogramming < 1368838437 306168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does kernel not separate define and set!, I forget < 1368838440 313261 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the environment is an object and you're changing it < 1368838450 653842 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel doesn't have scheme's define < 1368838462 733296 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buuuuut i honeslty have very little idea of what the fuck scheme's define is < 1368838484 255286 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if kernel's $define! causes me headaches i at least know what it does, and it's not second-class or whatever you call it < 1368838529 208905 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this is why i need to do my closures-as-partial-applications, fuck-mutation, recursively-define-eval-generically fantasy, so that i can show you all etc < 1368838546 208684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it @ < 1368838554 193784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you @ is way better than that < 1368838563 44954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet Bike's language doesn't even have dependent types < 1368838566 149987 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maru! that was it < 1368838575 867215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1368838583 567818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc. no!!! < 1368838585 780002 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking about types actually, mostly because writing a type system in kernel seems like it might be kind of a pain < 1368838597 958914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static types? < 1368838601 645288 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i'm used to tres inferior CL types, aka do whatever the fuck you want types < 1368838603 239014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be real difficult yeah < 1368838613 102222 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welllll i'm used to types being a compilation aid < 1368838622 921956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, @ is the language such that it is greater than each other language. < 1368838635 19328 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking in the partial evaluator you can bind x to a type of integers, rather than a specific integers, and then the optimizer can get to work bla bla bla < 1368838638 404280 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, there is a maximum language, and it is @. < 1368838641 188120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lisp + type system is [siren][slide whistle][bark][alarm][falling down stairs][car crash][advertising jingle] < 1368838650 162092 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah. < 1368838652 757489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[white noise] < 1368838659 170082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [face shoved in toilet] < 1368838670 801914 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's gonna be great when you define the macro expansion of @ and get gregor to alter the logs < 1368838675 784305 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all these lines are like super long < 1368838693 298520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote in.toilet < 1368838693 885122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if @'s name is zero characters WHAT THEN < 1368838695 433363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :988) i'm not actually competent at hacking things ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] [face shoved in toilet] < 1368838708 243660 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's boring. you're better than that. < 1368838720 42865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 characters < 1368838724 569950 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're talking. < 1368838740 599147 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.185-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368838785 575026 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only @ quote im remembering right now is < 1368838792 921799 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote vapour < 1368838794 452696 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :451) sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1368838802 65464 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fave < 1368838810 821418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes @ < 1368838817 583897 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24051 < 1368838820 735863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I move to CA i'm going to buy a vaporizer < 1368838837 706999 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did somebody seriously /ignore fungot and then brag about it. < 1368838838 244484 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: more and a larger rate increases of more if they please. received request on any of the ( i am to get an enron/ dynegy pricing. < 1368838858 16473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow 892 is uh < 1368838859 785073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1368838861 951444 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.... < 1368838865 253934 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :892 is great imo < 1368838870 138194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's V*rpal back from when he was even worse < 1368838871 46581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 892 < 1368838872 971044 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :892) * GreyKnight puts some cookies inside a forcefield ⌇⌇ o o o ⌇⌇ what now c00kiemon5ter?!? * c00kiemon5ter omnomnomnomnomnomnomnom but how did he get through the forcefield?!? @u@ I did not! the cookielicious force within me grew outside the forcefield absording the crumbles dar < 1368838873 473057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi V*rpal) < 1368838883 826078 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean!! < 1368838891 263209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also I _think_ I may have been using fungot to evade his /ignore of me at the time. < 1368838891 600051 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: average 1 to the their site did not do any days next two to the all the business that the corporate parent. < 1368838903 17764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok am I somehow hallucinating the idea that the Linux kernel used to have a driver for the Rez Trance Vibrator? < 1368838909 945226 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol ol ol. < 1368838913 601279 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've heard that too < 1368838914 158096 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1368838923 203742 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything should have rez support < 1368838941 342835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find it in 2.6.12-rc2 /or/ 3.9 < 1368838948 70016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was removed in 2.6 < 1368838965 307759 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what functions does the thing even have < 1368838970 967748 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change intensity? < 1368838984 922499 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rez TranceVibrator: OS X/Linux Drivers and fingerd Client" this has got to be intentional < 1368838993 302542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1368839012 467534 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This program is a rudimentary teledildonics application built around the finger daemon - hence bringing generations of CS undergrad innuendo full circle." < 1368839014 129548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, reminder that the phrase "teledildonics" exists < 1368839015 471990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap < 1368839016 449379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good timing < 1368839019 930248 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :high five < 1368839031 759717 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this program is actually great. < 1368839055 710288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG 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ACTION downloads http://archive.org/download/git-history-of-linux/full-history-linux.git.tar
< 1368839072 148316 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<< Today in Japanese Amputee Sex Doll news" < 1368839079 883763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wouldn't it be faster to clone from actual git < 1368839080 81079 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is the full history of linux < 1368839087 496682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is linux's actual git truncated??? < 1368839087 828763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 50 feet < 1368839089 67474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1368839092 961171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that's sort of impossible < 1368839100 910927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/ nsfw i guess < 1368839104 729026 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1368839107 598536 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1368839109 368855 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what source control was linux originally on < 1368839115 579454 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confession i know actually shit about linux < 1368839115 776591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarballs and patches < 1368839118 740637 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1368839118 938467 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Linus's git is truncated because it only goes back to the start of Linus version controlling. < 1368839126 28212 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant like, when it got version control, though < 1368839129 651443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually a better system than CVS it turns out < 1368839136 254346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it was on bitkeeper for a while < 1368839138 356510 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it have nothing before git < 1368839140 79709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you knew that though < 1368839142 876764 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitkeeper. < 1368839143 74340 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1368839145 95945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the live Git repo goes back to 2.6.12-rc2; people have reconstructed repos for older < 1368839146 523441 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bitkeeper < 1368839150 605561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there was a shitstorm re: bitkeeper relating to its proprietariness < 1368839153 705966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so linus wrote git < 1368839164 922323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before hg and stuff really existed (hg was written as a candidate for linux I think) < 1368839172 303298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state of the art in DVCSes was like bitkeeper, darcs, monotone < 1368839174 905130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg is also too slow to handle Linux, i think < 1368839178 321433 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i googed "bitkeeper" and the very third link is somebody complaining about linux using it. < 1368839178 954701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least would have been back in the day < 1368839190 909422 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux*, but whatever. < 1368839194 988576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitKeeper < 1368839196 199309 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1368839197 826143 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus < 1368839201 841948 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't fucking type that name any more < 1368839206 475015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular "Pricing change" < 1368839206 918492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git was designed to handle huge repos quickly, which may have been a dumb design goal for a VCS in general, but is something the Linux team legitimately needed < 1368839232 426818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey < 1368839234 271874 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even after this addition, flamewars[8]" < 1368839240 290463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually byran o'sullivan who had to stop working on hg < 1368839249 702665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than some random person < 1368839252 547675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bryan < 1368839257 850215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote a hg book < 1368839270 218428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i vaguely recall that yeah < 1368839274 366121 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i'm so glad i'm too naïve to care about version control. < 1368839283 323605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use git because it's Good Enough and it's standard < 1368839288 477865 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i do < 1368839293 49107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1368839295 41328 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvpvo 'use' < 1368839297 515123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of interesting that darcs in 2005 was in some ways even then better than git is today < 1368839301 707450 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 'very pathetic' < 1368839363 861120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ people who believe in progress in CS < 1368839391 21170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1368839393 836699 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretty sure you're going to have to make @ at least negative ten characters to make this work. < 1368839400 444154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of get tempted to use darcs occasionally < 1368839404 126134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the UI is nice < 1368839407 120617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and git is annoying in several ways < 1368839409 496384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, github < 1368839414 156993 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, at least freaking CVS is dying. < 1368839435 35612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at my job in 2009-2010 we still had a CVS->Git import cronjob < 1368839448 613200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a few people refused to learn Git and were too important to be told they had to < 1368839452 237223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i've said this before < 1368839461 179776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if anyone wants to read about truly bizarre software design < 1368839463 173349 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody's said anything, nothing is novel < 1368839466 30303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the GNU arch aka tla docs/tutorial < 1368839466 653192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: github is also annoying in several ways < 1368839468 336905 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow < 1368839474 209146 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hardcore :P < 1368839485 569679 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why not git-cvsserver? < 1368839490 253456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr distributed version control in the early 2000s was fucking weird < 1368839493 400460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't know, i didn't set it up (thank god) < 1368839498 399709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is true but it's also convenient and have you seen the equivalent sites for darcs and stuff < 1368839502 81961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not very good < 1368839506 767882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about bitbucket < 1368839513 962785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitbucket does not do darcs afaik < 1368839514 974525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's git/hg < 1368839520 660651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it has rough feature parity, plus free private repos < 1368839524 829952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I didn't mean for darcs specifically < 1368839534 673477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitbucket is ok, I prefer github's ui < 1368839535 790960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it lets you check out a hg repo as git or vice versa, I think < 1368839539 427273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty neat < 1368839543 757569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also remember when bitbucket's UI was basically a straight clone of github's at the time < 1368839545 634934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is neat < 1368839558 849913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a few gripes with github's UI plus the company is annoying brogrammers or something < 1368839570 643466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really believe in "git/hg interoperability" < 1368839575 831782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since git has the whole rebase culture and stuff going on < 1368839587 50479 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I store my c/c++ code in git/hg < 1368839595 623719 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rebase culture" should be about drugs imo < 1368839596 28448 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer bitbucket to github, and have always been fairly happy with my clone-all-my-hgs-to-git style of interop. < 1368839612 162312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how people always talk about merging as a major feature of git, yet a lot of projects use rebases only < 1368839620 5589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a lot simpler < 1368839643 897127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but occasionally you do miss having merge history recorded < 1368839644 94723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i'd like to use scapegoat and goatpen, thanks in advance < 1368839648 928218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is < 1368839651 394266 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, hg can do rebase, it just can't erase history, so you don't lose the original -base) < 1368839671 104397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like how you realised how horrible a mistake asking what something is in #esoteric is before you finished that line < 1368839685 48992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah just too lazy to type < 1368839695 963185 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: has some nerd somewhere used vcs to write, say, a novel < 1368839703 322183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scapegoat is ais's vapourware VCS design < 1368839709 130225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goatpen is obviously what you'd call a scapegoat hosting site < 1368839720 907002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i would buy goatse.cx < 1368839723 870383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure, but probably more commonly papers and stuff < 1368839728 231252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goat Software Exchange < 1368839730 623643 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1368839731 950765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the history of that goes back to RCS and stuff < 1368839734 484733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1368839737 342490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why *wouldn't* you version control it < 1368839747 90618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think SIPB still keeps meeting notes in RCS < 1368839756 558693 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.goatsexchange.com < 1368839761 801435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1368839766 802979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scapegoat's design is cool but I forget if ais523 worked out the problems it had < 1368839771 741207 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem with this is that goats are kind of jerks < 1368839829 798092 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we need more clever well-recognized idioms based on nematodes < 1368839841 586898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw are the github devs actually bad, I don't really know anything about it as a company < 1368839853 253619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should probably assume web 2.0 companies are bad by default < 1368839861 290462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally know why Chrome keeps crashign when I close a popup < 1368839869 585761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[858788.405914] chrome[14158]: segfault at 55e ip 005216c0 sp bfeb9580 error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.2600.1[4f8000+41000] < 1368839876 264492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're inordinately proud of their dumb "hot forking action" pun as a sign that they're hip and cool and not corporate < 1368839879 256168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://37signals.blogs.com/products/2008/07/how-github-used.html < 1368839899 717441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they finally removed it < 1368839903 633852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :years after a bunch of people complained < 1368839908 482121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've groaned at that before yeah < 1368839916 240538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i really want to click this 37signals link < 1368839921 825002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i really want to click any 37signals link < 1368839926 930094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late i already did :( < 1368839929 970222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love all this posturing over having cool "corporate culture" < 1368839950 481009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it boils down to reversing the superficial aspects of traditional companies while badly misunderstanding why these things exist < 1368839951 855741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used campfire before < 1368839953 848133 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :software companies should just use autogestion, obviously < 1368839960 610180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.prettylittlestatemachine.com/blog/2013/02/20/what-your-culture-really-says < 1368839972 92591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having very little money, very little time, and a lot of passion leaves few options. You pretty much have to do what Jason, David, and the boys say. It's the smartest way to succeed. < 1368839974 785009 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to click any of these links < 1368839985 345053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no you should click the one i just sent < 1368839985 542321 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for demonstrating why, elliott. < 1368839986 435386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now accepting bets wrt how much "very little money" actually was < 1368839995 87226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they didn't take any funding < 1368839996 577437 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1368840000 400343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they were already rich though < 1368840010 764918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty little hate machine < 1368840055 931671 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i glanced at the link, seemed pretty normal in terms of things i already know + reasons i want to work in a nice sensible culture like academia instead (insert five minutes of tearful laughter) < 1368840073 701600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should work on implementing scapegoat again, as if i don't already have enough things to do < 1368840076 619265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice didn't take outside investing but had loans from founders + govt grants + prize money < 1368840093 627748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some glibertarian blog wrote about how ksplice was cool tech but you shouldn't use it because it's funded by stolen blood money < 1368840102 81712 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff. < 1368840128 344085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha do you have a link < 1368840132 744649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368840195 495270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's just a pretty good takedown of the standard "corporate culture" memes < 1368840205 600338 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure < 1368840213 255869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the oblivious self-congratulation of web startup land < 1368840217 800359 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just not sure i need such a takedown is all < 1368840220 300244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368840227 953047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must not enjoy hating on things as much as i do < 1368840235 293406 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid it's true < 1368840240 335651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is more actually relevant to me, it's true < 1368840242 336088 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woe indeed. < 1368840243 204979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo >wisdom/kmc < 1368840252 660678 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that too, i've never even been employed `-` < 1368840261 670608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is moving to SF and needs to not fall into the web startup bubble
< 1368840270 699581 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a bit early to go all socialist radical??? who knows < 1368840270 897359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo kmc should give me a job complaining about things < 1368840273 86613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal synergy < 1368840280 503778 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend working at a web startup. < 1368840282 556241 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure kmc has got that department covered < 1368840285 864649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say that the only people who made money in the gold rush were the people selling shovels and pickaxes (and booze and hookers) < 1368840288 737513 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He spends more time than is healthy talking about how Ruby sucks. < 1368840310 855489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it pikhq < 1368840323 744204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well kmc should give me a job not implementing @ then < 1368840326 183057 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost everything in it. < 1368840346 984072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not written much Ruby but i have a hard time getting worked up about the differences between (say) Ruby, Python, and JavaScript < 1368840355 416996 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better kickstart it < 1368840356 835246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I think the Python community has better taste in sane API design < 1368840368 69337 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby is PHP for the brogrammer. < 1368840371 701008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Ruby people (mainly Rails people) go nuts for DSLs that look slick but have incoherent semantics < 1368840385 829860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a great example or really know what I'm talking about, though < 1368840398 717943 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby dsls frighten me < 1368840399 460523 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ruby list comprehension that looks like haskell? :P < 1368840410 400038 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sure you can do that but /why/ < 1368840413 981121 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was obscene < 1368840427 2913 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://room208.org/qdb/917 < 1368840434 873384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why? because it looks great in a fancy font at 72pt on your website < 1368840444 413629 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sites are the worst < 1368840455 121739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that beginners can't tell good semantics from bad but they can detect "elegant syntax" < 1368840480 33430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegance = if you read all the alphabetic tokens in order, it sounds kind of like an english sentence < 1368840490 258595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL? < 1368840502 191577 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yes < 1368840510 182062 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure 'elegance' doesn't mean anything < 1368840513 379381 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just a nihilist. < 1368840520 312351 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368840533 723585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : scapegoat's design is cool but I forget if ais523 worked out the problems it had ← I'm not sure if I did or not, it was all theoretical and we probably wouldn't discover some of the problems until practice? < 1368840537 530686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think it might mean something but at best it's gratuitously overused < 1368840562 152193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think there was some big problem with merges < 1368840564 175516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reverts < 1368840565 305899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't talk about your project being 'elegant' and 'minimal' if you don't say what your concrete design goals are < 1368840578 88883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem was with conflict resolution, I thought < 1368840579 89027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if you do say, making it 'minimal' wrt those goals is just basic competence in engineering < 1368840580 600970 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :concrete doesn't sound very elegant! < 1368840585 514297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and reverts are a special case of conflict resolution) < 1368840593 981584 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what bugs me? test frameworks (in all sorts of languages these days) that have english-y statements < 1368840598 762578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these people don't want to be engineers, they want to be special snowflake hacker painter craftspeople < 1368840610 346481 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sips his starbucks
< 1368840619 858276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, maybe (reverts aren't just about conflict resolution, you can decide to revert without a conflict) < 1368840633 245141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conflict is if someone edits the pre-revert version < 1368840752 345752 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Example? < 1368840769 613779 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the value" should equal 5 < 1368840771 804911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :as code < 1368840777 797371 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick < 1368840779 988763 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shit like that < 1368840809 694866 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test framework i usually use has a function "is", so you write (is (= value 5)) or something i guess that looks like code enough < 1368840871 114622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind things having cute names, but you shouldn't design the whole API and the meaning and type of every function around what makes the cute names work best < 1368840879 337695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s t a b < 1368840882 236918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1368840887 325680 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh /snap/ < 1368840897 224534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same problem as abuse of operator overloading, I guess < 1368840919 99378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the lens types an abuse of (.)'s type? < 1368840925 213122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1368840929 738716 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc since you're like the only person here who likes C++, what do you think of the >> << thing with io < 1368840936 403908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Prelude's . was the more generalized version, would Lens types be more sane? < 1368840943 430410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't like iostreams, I tend to use stdio even in C++ < 1368840946 706532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most lens types are sane < 1368840947 145012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too verbose < 1368840950 933545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just whine because ghci expands them < 1368840953 599467 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally it like < 1368840959 153466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also edwardk went a bit crazy with index preserving stuff at one point < 1368840961 94942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the abuse of operator<< is kind of gross but not the major objection < 1368840963 144410 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that syntax confused the hell out of me more than anything else in programming for years < 1368840969 275545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular lens' subtyping relies on being done exactly how it is done < 1368840970 91733 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i was learning when i was like ten, but < 1368840973 818820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should use the . from Category (and since -> is also a category it still work) < 1368840974 111759 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1368840974 450182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a "workaround" for not having Category or whatever < 1368840984 940933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1368840985 197767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing iostreams gives you (besides just weird and verbose syntax) is that it lets every type define its own "how to print me" and "how to read me" methods < 1368840987 873999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1368840988 85167 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 3d 19h 55m 31s ago: http://www.gophercon.com/ < 1368840996 301003 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's always cool. < 1368840997 897008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of the C++ version of Show or __str__ or whatever < 1368841000 619177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know what's great about that < 1368841006 97866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are some contexts where you want it < 1368841006 948595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ugh < 1368841007 145689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what int8_ts get printed as < 1368841010 237387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: characters < 1368841010 692043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chars? < 1368841011 778810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368841013 873488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst < 1368841016 22204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the most awful < 1368841016 538937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a transparent typedef < 1368841017 970782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368841018 466760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1368841021 154347 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you can read them again though!! < 1368841026 16923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet there's an iomanip to change that :< < 1368841044 378271 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it not have a "if it prints it should read in as the same thing" sort of restriction < 1368841044 575503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bools get printed as 1 or 0 by default iirc < 1368841092 264906 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As this is esoteric, does anyone know about configuring the Factor listener? #concatenative is less than chatty < 1368841102 184460 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sgeo knows < 1368841132 870793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn how to use http://portswigger.net/burp/ for this interview < 1368841162 246350 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attractive naming sense < 1368841168 444754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hey do you want an assignment? make the epigram blog not be down. I expect it done within the hour < 1368841177 845570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://portswigger.net/screenshots/proxy_1.png classy password imo < 1368841178 931975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem. any time. < 1368841190 706610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had ideas about to improve the C, which is different from C++, such as to add a +|^ and -&~^ operators. < 1368841191 179756 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks cool though < 1368841192 27259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, when does it give that error? < 1368841197 202053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to start Factor with the new rc? < 1368841204 270656 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tweet at conor < 1368841219 51375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you've found a way to accomplish it already! < 1368841220 580907 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah < 1368841222 915087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so proud of you, copumpkin < 1368841227 54363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you change? < 1368841228 534046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: get your ass on twitter < 1368841232 663297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproudkin < 1368841236 475880 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I'll paste < 1368841274 504404 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://hpaste.org/88144 < 1368841297 172511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means i'm the opposite of proud of you copumpkin < 1368841301 404682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for not having the job done already!! < 1368841317 738724 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works once I'm in the listener, but loading for the first time gives me the error < 1368841331 239716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe wrong rc file? < 1368841338 326677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to find the docs on the rc files
< 1368841366 14848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that IN: scratchpad seems a bit odd, but I don't think it would cause that error < 1368841370 223975 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the docs were less than helpful. I tried it in ~/.factor-rc and ~/.factor-boot-rc < 1368841384 91535 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just something I saw in another rc on github < 1368841397 597489 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's actually necessary < 1368841422 733141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know where i should move my vps btw < 1368841423 791789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries and fails to feed a small insect to the flytrap
< 1368841435 512839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :SADISTIC KMC < 1368841480 279366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-ui-listener.html < 1368841484 592128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has a sample RC < 1368841488 450619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only has the USING: < 1368841540 140939 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all part of the circle of life copumpkin < 1368841556 567106 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had a train derailment not far from here! < 1368841559 727432 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that < 1368841559 924859 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting stuff < 1368841566 120390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i heard about that, was anyone hurt? < 1368841569 226136 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you survive < 1368841574 617359 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 people hurt, none dead < 1368841578 992552 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a few in bad shape though < 1368841582 746827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard about that in #haskell-blah < 1368841585 818439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a coincidence < 1368841603 409687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Linode disliked these days? < 1368841603 823649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{american infrastructure} < 1368841605 891629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reuters quotes Fairfield police spokesman Matt Panilaitis as saying none of those involved in the accident were believed to be suffering from life-threatening injuries." < 1368841612 144029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they got hacked but i haven't heard anything else bad < 1368841617 220374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: linode is disliked a bit by me < 1368841630 622934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the being hacked multiple times thing < 1368841639 599140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also linode is the reason lambdabot is slow now "just unacceptable" < 1368841687 700952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple times? < 1368841694 92948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368841694 290718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to give more for the money than prgmr, but they don't have plans as cheap as prgmr has < 1368841702 535655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved away from prgmr for performance reasons < 1368841709 690644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EC2 micro instance is free for a year < 1368841715 282926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what do you want to use your VM for < 1368841720 921215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for i managed to not pay for 3 months reasons, oops < 1368841722 395828 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No dice. Still "UI not running". Hmm. < 1368841726 379615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, probably nothing particularly intensive < 1368841734 790010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the first time was like their security thing got hacked and this gave them root access to a specific server (!!) or something < 1368841737 793238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1368841740 313754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :their support thing < 1368841742 903406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when my free trial is up < 1368841754 569703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, hmm... maybe you need to delay your code from running until the UI is set up < 1368841759 296618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second time was "hey our database was hacked, change your passwords" < 1368841761 40504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1368841765 77077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of feeling not confident in them < 1368841770 464011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try commenting-out the actual code and leaving the USING: and seeing if you get the same error < 1368841775 161916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't EC2 expensive for something you run 24/7 < 1368841777 621235 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I was thinking that, but I have no idea how to delay. < 1368841785 317455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i kind of like how my linode is in london < 1368841787 612620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I irc from it < 1368841790 176335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the low latency is really nice < 1368841799 447337 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Starts just fine with only the USING: line < 1368841820 696060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what, i'm entitled to 1 gig of ram on my linode for free < 1368841826 804371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they never emailed me about it i guess? < 1368841842 324656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but the machine will go down for 20 minutes to do it < 1368841847 112769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i stand being away from irc for that long < 1368841853 678603 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1368841881 839216 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask oerjan to logread for you < 1368841890 507850 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Maybe I need the USING: in my boot-rc and the font setting in the runtime one? < 1368841897 74951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full disclosure: the new plans are $0.05 more expensive per month. We did this to get rid of the legacy $19.95, $39.95, $59.95, etc pricing model in favor of a simpler $20, $40, $60 model. The upgrade is not mandatory, so if you’re not down with the 5 cent increase you can keep your existing resources and pricing. < 1368841907 651522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally says the upgrade is free in the UI < 1368841908 949175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such lies < 1368841920 462153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I'm thinking you need to put the code in some quotation that will hold onto the command until it's ready < 1368841933 190820 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google full disclosure < 1368841933 803189 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_disclosure < 1368841934 19986 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Full disclosure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1368841949 703160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it when I run a program and it just does nothing and reports no error and returns exit code 0 < 1368841959 878872 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`true < 1368841961 345748 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1368841961 874192 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it secretly installed a rootkit < 1368841972 175836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EC2 is expensive for 24/7 but it's what all startups do anyway because it's the cool thing and they have too much money < 1368841981 23089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have delusions of needing to scale quickly, but their code won't support it anyway < 1368841987 135589 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not their money < 1368842001 454083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it pretty much is < 1368842001 959740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot how fucking complicated EC2's pricing is < 1368842019 12183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sell stock and get cash, that cash is yours < 1368842023 109534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like selling anything else < 1368842043 766116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, I think bootstrap RC would just not happen until you boot up from a freshly bootstrapped image < 1368842047 788701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be understanding wrong < 1368842051 753998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the company's money and it's the employees' money in proportion to their own ownership share < 1368842058 428133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing is that they have lots of money and expect to be able to raise more < 1368842062 228160 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EC2 makes a lot of sense if you're going to spin up some instances for a bit. But *jesus* is it pricy 24/7. < 1368842067 301151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you raise a bunch of money and then squander it, people won't want to give you more < 1368842076 161814 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, there aren't a whole of references for it. :/ < 1368842078 381900 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amazes me that anything uses it that way. < 1368842094 491335 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully someone on #concatenative will know. Or maybe I just have to save the image when I have it to my liking < 1368842107 8680 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote 26 < 1368842107 314995 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexbagel says: i find that my first 26 variables are always easy to name. after that it becomes a bit harder. < 1368842108 838362 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the virology blog went down, why did it go down < 1368842112 703879 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \$26 < 1368842113 21259 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonMarlow says: This is the largest program (in terms of memory requirements) I've ever seen anyone run using GHC. In fact there was no machine in our building capable of running it, I had to < 1368842113 219197 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire up the largest Amazon EC2 instance available (68GB) to debug it - this bug cost me $26. < 1368842127 574735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also not strictly in proportion to share, because the funding shares will have a liquidity preference attached) < 1368842133 962283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1368842150 237743 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Micro instances aren't quite so bad, but... yeah < 1368842158 185179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ksplice used EC2 instances to build new kernel when they came out < 1368842164 787919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what has cheap options like prgmr but don't assume you're an expert? < 1368842170 917127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used spot instances which are even cheaper < 1368842179 520261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for that kind of intermittent batch processing < 1368842193 215833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. EC2 micro is $15 a month, which ain't that bad. < 1368842200 792052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is a micro's < 1368842208 732595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a $5 saving for me < 1368842230 671484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think since I doubt I'd use it that much, $20 or $25 a month is a bit excessive < 1368842241 655266 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do y'all play for 'computer things' < 1368842245 699680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, $15 < 1368842262 678585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my linode costs $19.95/mo < 1368842345 38206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is "DNA Mad Scientist" a good episode? < 1368842408 117335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368842413 779829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. good episode < 1368842419 337667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sets up future arcs & shit < 1368842420 91542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a micro is pretty wimpy < 1368842420 288690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch < 1368842432 520213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a reasonable max performance but it'll throttle back randomly < 1368842435 651424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to watch
< 1368842440 529562 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://linode.com looks so overpriced < 1368842452 990958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: in comparison to what < 1368842456 452758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, it seems underpriced compared to prgmr :/ < 1368842469 81104 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm paying < 1368842474 733083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is prgmr so expensive < 1368842482 195896 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A micro instance probably makes no sense for anyone who gives a damn about processor usage. < 1368842483 182157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has to pay for vowel removal < 1368842484 536480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it going to take another 5 questions to determine what that is and where it is < 1368842494 585843 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google heztner robot < 1368842495 930876 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wepoca.net/setup-proxmox-on-hetzner-server < 1368842496 128093 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: how to setup Proxmox VE 2.x on Hetzner EX4 server | wepoca < 1368842509 66690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: when i switched to linode prgmr's prices were comparable to linode's for comparable machines < 1368842510 406581 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google hetzner robot < 1368842512 298658 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://robot.your-server.de/ < 1368842513 622621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the linode upgrades have changed that though < 1368842540 72271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that https://robot.your-server.de/ site is uh < 1368842541 849129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimally informative < 1368842603 167381 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it used to be a dutch auction < 1368842611 397858 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a log-in prompt < 1368842643 51493 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://robot.your-server.de/order/market < 1368842668 279000 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a dutch auction < 1368842689 853079 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terms and policies for: nothing < 1368842707 744481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weird < 1368842762 787172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the cheapest one is $30? < 1368842768 834005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... $15 more than i'm paying linode < 1368842775 649351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't really see how linode is overpriced < 1368842800 332110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it has better specs, sure < 1368842802 960139 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368842823 476843 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they don't do vps < 1368842851 31635 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to use a micro instance 24/7 it looks as though you should instead use a reserved instance. < 1368842858 349467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368842871 589069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which comes out to $8.81 a month for a year, or $105.80 per year. < 1368842878 139329 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that $62 of that is up-front) < 1368842901 214131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good < 1368842905 114482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you get for $20 a month < 1368842921 440477 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes all the way down to $6.42 if you can stomach paying $100 for 3 years upfront < 1368842929 263980 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see. < 1368842933 121875 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've run any computer 24/7 for a year < 1368842949 487447 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even for most of a year < 1368842949 756609 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1368842951 139475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are any EC2s in the UK / can you guarantee getting one in the UK < 1368842952 155794 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small instance is $24. < 1368842956 21285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well hosting stuff... < 1368842959 708316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just mean because of reboots and stuff < 1368842967 637541 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If by "UK" you mean "Ireland". :P < 1368842989 815199 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'd think if you want 24/7 hosting you wouldn't use amazlol < 1368842997 87503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ireland works for me, sure < 1368843024 366660 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A small instance is... $15.90 a month if you pay $257 upfront for 3 years. < 1368843030 593281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of upfront < 1368843034 78593 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1368843046 575418 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The charge-per-month is including the upfront. < 1368843055 430368 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sans up-front it's $8.76 < 1368843069 617941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't actually find details on what micro/small/etc. get you on the ec2 website < 1368843072 616900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because i gave up quickly < 1368843136 561097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should be cool and run my server on nixos < 1368843149 586962 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia seems helpful. < 1368843348 75787 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia of AWS pricing tables < 1368843382 748118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of things about EC2 seem pointlessly complicated < 1368843397 967282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pricing may be pointfully complicated in order to trick people into paying more < 1368843412 256112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1368843422 935512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of seems like the reason it's "hip" is probably related to how impossible it is to figure out anything about it < 1368843434 989073 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely non-trivial to find what the cheap way of getting a certain amount of resources is. < 1368843458 345162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of hate running "a server" anyway < 1368843518 770515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if i could just run "a mysql" (ok it would be nice if i didn't have to run mysql at all) and "an nginx with php" (ditto on the php) and configure the latter to have access to the former and it'd be arranged that they're on the same server when reasonable or whatever < 1368843527 482996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could automatically be migrated across servers and stuff < 1368843538 717513 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a startup for that < 1368843548 867784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i could run "an irssi" separately and the cost would be proportional to the resources of just the stuff i actually run < 1368843562 439012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think heroku does something vaguely like this but probably not as pain-free as i'd like < 1368843580 577441 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, these figures also don't include the cost of any data storage. < 1368843603 319436 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.10 per GB per month. < 1368843610 9192 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you port an irssi to node.js < 1368843615 604729 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too bad considering that'll just be your root FS, but still. < 1368843632 184885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oldschool very uncool type of "shared web hosting" is also like this < 1368843634 964031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like i'm not attached to having to upgrade the system as root manually or deal with organising a unix filesystem or whatever < 1368843637 105425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. giving you "an nginx with php" < 1368843659 860088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it would be simpler if that was handled for you since things like distros honestly don't matter beyond the versions of the software you actually care about < 1368843664 885624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right it is sort of like shared hosting < 1368843677 598886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you'd want (a) more guarantees about what resources you get so it's closer to a VPS type offering < 1368843688 624989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) the ability to run arbitrary blobs of code if you want < 1368843693 906015 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :nginx is russian nu-wave, man, oldskool is all about the apache 1.x < 1368843697 202370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with proper network access etc.) < 1368843702 915355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) probably something else I'm forgetting < 1368843711 908498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also there's no reason why all the stuff you run should be on one server < 1368843718 604540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else should be have is to run additional internet services, perhaps. < 1368843726 649124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that stuff that has access to other stuff you run should ideally be automatically rigged to be "close" < 1368843731 667556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe not on the exact same server all the time) < 1368843800 664643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, there could be servers optimised for running databases that the mysql would automatically prefer to be on by default, and the php would just communicate to the "nearest one" over the datacentre network) < 1368843812 705424 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :e "server admin is hard wish I could pay a startup to do it for me" hird < 1368843820 945231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1368843824 388571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard it's just annoying < 1368843826 285007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate everything < 1368843886 675769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i keep it running but it's kind of annoying that i have to worry about things like "if i upgrade the RAM for esolangs.org then I will also be without my main IRC client for 20 minutes" because my IRC client is basically fundamentally disconnected from that < 1368843903 791151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the only real connection being that I am paying the same company to give me the resources to run it < 1368843923 839542 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Migrate the vm of your irc client to another server < 1368843960 162044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have to pay twice as much despite using the same amount of resources < 1368843967 248063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upgrade twice as many machines etc. < 1368843992 110050 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to sum up, you hate everything. < 1368844000 771284 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Migrate it to an ec2 < 1368844007 961361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1368844023 157191 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should take up Taoism. < 1368844033 970709 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a startup that charges people ridiculous amounts of money to move their irssi vm's to ec2 < 1368844042 311049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1368844042 523600 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will probably work < 1368844112 496970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway kmc should be complaining not me imo < 1368844741 641773 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368845275 755832 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368845293 51649 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368845776 229996 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368845965 944948 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368846218 183955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_the_logreader: HOLY SHIT < 1368846704 513073 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1368846714 514085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of these kind of extensions to C programming? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/black_c.txt < 1368846757 925930 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not c99? mandating 2's complement? < 1368846773 488403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1368846798 615197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in favor of mandating 2's complement for sure < 1368846811 166256 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weaklings < 1368846813 28636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather I think there should be a standard addendum to ISO 9899 which mandates sensible things like 2's complement < 1368846821 618855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compilers can advertise that they comply with this addendum < 1368846827 643579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weird systems can just stick with ISO 9899 proper < 1368846843 628191 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, local typedefs, cool < 1368846875 423287 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the ?: just short circuiting or < 1368846901 201036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It is like the || in JavaScript, but not like the || in C. < 1368846918 927624 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference with C? (/me bad at C obviously) < 1368846924 217092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ?: with nothing in between is same as in GNU C; a few of the things I listed are same as in Gnu C, even if not specified. < 1368846931 103748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In C it is always boolean. < 1368846936 959526 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 'course. < 1368846938 162983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the result is 1 and 0. < 1368846958 155502 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«You can use "inline" with the same purpose as in GNU89 mode.» what's that? < 1368847137 399180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.6/gcc/Inline.html#Inline for information of the different inlining modes in GCC. < 1368847251 518011 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#macro seems like it could be kinda nice, those \ lines always seem so dumb < 1368847287 351276 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this macro {} thing, that's your way of saying you can specify parameters to the macro like a block or array access instead of a function call? < 1368847305 751846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1368847436 41586 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructors and destructors for automatic variables, huh. < 1368847800 217881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Bike make my computer faster < 1368847912 276459 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like your computer or your linode or what < 1368847958 692983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1368847959 795846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the first < 1368848015 245763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's easy to write ISO 9899 C that also needs 2's complement. < 1368848032 739262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: int32_t and such *are* 2's complement (iff they exist) < 1368848041 189876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really < 1368848042 342791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL. < 1368848059 992358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they don't exist, does stdint.h also not exist? < 1368848060 189947 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also means POSIX systems must have 2's complement types. < 1368848071 598119 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdint.h does, but it won't contain those types. < 1368848077 396580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368848081 42998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a macro to test if they exist? < 1368848085 489602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1368848094 51521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.31 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/26.0.1410.43 Safari/537.31 < 1368848100 897256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHAT USER AGENTS REALLY BELIEVE < 1368848114 543767 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is one actually that's not meant as such but can be used. < 1368848121 683345 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INT32_MIN and friends. :) < 1368848125 976278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1368848144 372855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined in stdint.h for each type defined in stdint.h < 1368848166 487572 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, POSIX requires the types for 8, 16, and 32 bits. < 1368848169 242458 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think also 64? < 1368848176 369156 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both signed and unsigned) < 1368848234 326465 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So, looks to me like you're defining a subset of GNU C that's relatively easy to implement. < 1368848291 532985 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW the unnamed struct/union thing is in C11. < 1368848311 227883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Kind of, but some things I defined are not in GNU C. < 1368848324 391079 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand I got to the first of those. < 1368848350 631140 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1368848390 883890 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1368848410 33371 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting it up so you can use structs as a scope? < 1368848423 760648 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the #macro block I think. < 1368848443 872672 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, and you made it TC. How nice. :P < 1368848492 824973 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I utterly love #binary. < 1368848502 709444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Bike < 1368848505 285394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer isn't fast yet < 1368848508 139551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Neat stuff. < 1368848527 421308 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo elliott this takes time < 1368848536 216886 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ask for someone to make your computer-fasterer faster himself?? < 1368848536 575859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're thinking of macro assemblers? < 1368848552 190756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, some of the features are based on those of macro assemblers. < 1368848555 473355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok. you do that < 1368848574 699570 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not qualified. do you want me to commit fraud < 1368848583 155891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm going to upgrade my linode < 1368848585 534441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish me lucque < 1368848596 308530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still there < 1368848600 518688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :update: not dead < 1368848606 278524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"present" is my current status < 1368848616 351043 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get on w/it < 1368848640 218416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its AUTOMATED bike < 1368848654 670182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1368848658 31478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used half my disk space in / < 1368848660 433726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo: investigate < 1368848682 898604 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out elliott installed openoffice in /sbin < 1368848722 772207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing openoffice on a server < 1368848724 237623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1368848739 895078 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368848831 738647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1368848838 713912 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1368848842 793167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368849107 262586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that whatever Java UI toolkit Burp is using won't let me actually type text into any text field < 1368849110 265588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's fun < 1368849447 781785 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1368849500 373998 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1368849507 935382 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1368849512 608491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1368849527 978470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the abuse filter actually blocked someone < 1368849537 971303 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't twenty minutes.. < 1368849552 948578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i paid for the 'fast service' ;) < 1368849557 988645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;:-D < 1368849568 12679 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1368849571 68166 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitalist < 1368849602 346915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so time to figure out what's using all the gigabytes < 1368849629 459631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what was that thing you used < 1368849679 223750 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm? < 1368849742 632087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to analyse the disk space's < 1368849756 209909 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locally, k4dirstat. Remotely, philesight < 1368849837 330190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remembered some like three letter name tool but ok < 1368849842 630079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1368849844 660140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter than philesight < 1368849858 342272 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, those are all that I use. < 1368849869 221553 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the occasional du -bsx * | sort -n | less < 1368850000 762756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i DISTINCTLY RECALL something!! < 1368850007 114122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it had was ncursesy or something < 1368850032 730467 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeaaaah there was some tool I used for a while like that. < 1368850034 343177 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncdu < 1368850051 338735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that < 1368850066 927965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a particular reason you stopped using it < 1368850077 686407 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred the alternatives *shrugs* < 1368850102 659490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol turns out i already have ncdu < 1368850104 27886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my server < 1368850131 20591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i wonder how to get accurate measurements without running the whole thing as root < 1368850207 580999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow my irssi logs are half a gig < 1368850210 477507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :already < 1368850216 381386 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1368850226 459108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it log DCCs? < 1368850247 90483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a gig is like one set of bookshelves at a library sort of size < 1368850270 727284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I haven't done any DCCing < 1368850284 50080 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irclogs total like... oh wow 200 MB wtff < 1368850296 165224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the vast majority is ##crawl (217 Mio) + #haskell (106.7 Mio) < 1368850301 43013 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need to cut down on talking. < 1368850305 629612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is in third place at only 23.8 Mio < 1368850309 890658 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1368850321 114884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibioctet, still the best unit of measurement for data storage < 1368850326 757568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it mebi < 1368850332 358464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1368850333 958397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mebioctet < 1368850347 142896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibioctet = 1/128 of a bit < 1368850356 266373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1368850358 774000 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beaut < 1368850413 958753 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. Arithmetic coding. :) < 1368850423 140890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractional bits are useful for all sorts of purposes < 1368850465 272643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative fractional bits, on the other hand… < 1368850467 123508 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like describing my internet speed! (the joke is my internet) < 1368850483 335523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imaginary fractional bits. < 1368850495 291302 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would negative bits have positive entropy < 1368850511 693117 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but negative negentropy. < 1368850516 462815 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1368850542 290164 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally sucks the information right out of you. < 1368850544 780442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you haven't already, look up TURKEY BOMB < 1368850547 360771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :… if that's even possible < 1368850554 732938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is catseye's content saved anywhere? < 1368850557 637616 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did look it up < 1368850564 974937 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot most of it though < 1368850572 544996 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poss. alien intervention < 1368850588 828358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess TURKEY BOMB is like the reverse of Feather < 1368850598 521369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather feels (to me at least) like it /should/ work, but I can't make it work < 1368850602 878927 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it exists but wasn't intended to? < 1368850603 414723 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1368850605 816883 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20030528104217/http://www.catseye.mb.ca/ < 1368850613 3757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas TURKEY BOMB obviously doesn't work, but it's interesting trying to make it work < 1368850618 287562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's only archived the homepage, IIRC < 1368850621 122952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the actual content < 1368850627 682951 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough. LAME < 1368850668 201748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw someone should be emailing cpressey about that! < 1368850670 656600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too lazy < 1368850683 406401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not lazy enough to nag about it on IRC < 1368850691 334970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to not nag about it on IRC < 1368850696 24199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1368851198 781295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe I should be lazy and run esolangs.org off Arch so that I can have the same OS locally as on my server < 1368851420 143997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way it would also break more often < 1368851422 426498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be more exciting < 1368851711 960735 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-190-154.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368852070 448885 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1368852851 761730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1368853473 968013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use Debian unstable? < 1368853484 698974 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1368853832 827165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that breaks more often *and* I have no clue about it. < 1368853910 749967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I use the term "metric megabyte" to refer to 1000000 bytes < 1368853978 996196 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megabike < 1368854026 959878 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :picture a wave of a million bicycles bearing down on you < 1368854034 773298 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASHUNK they say, forcing open the door < 1368854425 956917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: should i sleep < 1368854429 926126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel weirdly drowsy < 1368854442 41096 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's like eight a clock so: yes < 1368854472 505909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that is OK < 1368854526 386204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's 6:20 < 1368854529 197642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1368854532 426227 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1368854655 461959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of want to stay up but also i have this weird drowsy feeling and i have no idea why < 1368854658 599927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i will collapse < 1368855092 877364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Bike if i collapse wake me up < 1368855140 503973 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368855142 423141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll steal your sleep. < 1368855148 146157 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are supposed to be asleep < 1368855156 36512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you care about me Bike < 1368855162 454949 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care about your optimal sleep status < 1368855167 485322 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as you care for gregor's voice status < 1368855179 889300 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode -v Gregor < 1368855184 978620 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Gregor > 1368855185 2450 NAMES :#esoteric < 1368855191 939431 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he doesn't have to be asleep all the time < 1368855195 138807 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just when it's appropriate < 1368855200 774488 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for gregor (except with: voice) < 1368855208 478402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you desireth a state pertaining to the voice of Gregor; < 1368855213 267044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hence thus the opposite shall be attained. < 1368855248 995622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is written. < 1368855288 224198 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hence thus', that is some /fantastic/ writing < 1368855434 110258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. someone so gifted as me should not sleep < 1368855437 671847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I lost my talents? < 1368855458 532377 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this particular talent sucks imo < 1368855550 961260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike < 1368855552 295010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1368855554 609372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make me feel bad! < 1368855556 335542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're mean < 1368855558 22848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also you suck < 1368855640 59977 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who else sucks? < 1368855806 986282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is it fizzie < 1368855849 88386 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he's cool < 1368855875 515333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he researches speech recognition dude. < 1368855880 974697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing worse is biology < 1368855894 780960 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's worsest? < 1368855899 150030 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right. whatever myndzi does. < 1368855936 310793 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since this is #esoteric there's a good chance that that thing is also the thing that you do. < 1368855982 920617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok dude why am i weirdly drowsy this is weird as heck < 1368855989 516995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i took too much melatonin yesterday or something < 1368856015 517897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, after doing a bunch of website design < 1368856023 566348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I decided the concrete reason why CSS sucks < 1368856037 801370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks measurements like "100%-10em-8px" < 1368856056 968234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of weird complex CSS is attempting to simulate this sort of formula using multiple nested elements < 1368856218 369956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would CORS withCredentials requests work without third-party cookies enabled? < 1368858244 528122 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: index.ps < 1368858257 818380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ? < 1368858624 675002 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368858769 765973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://englishrussia.com/2010/03/12/ekranoplan/ nice photos < 1368858796 336314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the channel for esoteric naval vessels right? < 1368858836 368467 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekranoplans are crazy < 1368860978 811507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want SQL to have a way to create anonymous triggers, views, overrides of a table with a view, etc and store the reference as a value in a table? < 1368861022 849525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all i want is a hug < 1368861038 858818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't sell that. < 1368861095 47271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say anything about selling. < 1368861098 669893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose a fair exchange. < 1368861176 726927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hug purchased with fiat money is no better than slavery #bitcoin < 1368861190 288324 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugcoin would be good < 1368861206 628348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work exactly < 1368861225 640853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like bitcoin except instead of finding SHA-256 preimages you can only mine a coin by convincing a human being to hug you < 1368861227 20687 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf hugs you and gives you money, if you can solve some hash < 1368861236 403131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i smoke it instead (drugs joke) < 1368861274 967789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what if some people decide to game the system and start hugging each other all the time < 1368861277 960641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1368861298 358500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the length of hugs needed to produce money is increased < 1368861319 264951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the length or number of hugs that's relevant < 1368861333 482698 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, number of _valid_ hugs < 1368861337 317932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo high-frequency hugging is the future < 1368861340 897041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-yes < 1368861520 18913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we will write code to detect such "hug rings" and silently ignore them, unless they benefit our own political and financial aims < 1368861555 289371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is this a hn joke < 1368861556 590763 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugspiracy :o < 1368861570 871155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes (we were talking about it in cslounge earlier) < 1368861653 84518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened on hn < 1368861676 866081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing i said < 1368861680 732316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with voting instead of hugs < 1368861691 824134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i meant was < 1368861692 501852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1368861695 546555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have < 1368861707 107193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YC companies are allowed to circlejerk about their shitty startups < 1368861707 953712 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo what happens on hn stays on hn < 1368861712 965888 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fyi it's now 8? sleep < 1368861718 223191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 8:21 < 1368861724 282752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8:22 < 1368861738 980517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1368861740 653104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice ran into this filter at one point < 1368861742 75022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when i sent that though < 1368861750 505997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter and/or manual pg cockblocking < 1368861782 309245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes he bans people but often he just makes it so your posts don't appear for others, or your votes don't count or only count half < 1368861789 689902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your articles just mysteriously can't make it to the front page < 1368861810 368018 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :benevolent dicktatorship < 1368861826 721121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free market has decided that pg is a superior being and therefore his actions are fair ipso facto < 1368861892 194428 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is the principle behind megabonuses for CEOs < 1368861897 672842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran into a pg article that made me groan today < 1368861898 872667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pg stories < 1368861914 448248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream where i punched pg (not really (that would be pathetic)) < 1368861922 225063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it would be kind of cool < 1368861925 612743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd respect a guy who has pg punching dreams < 1368861928 104862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try harder < 1368861930 792855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the previous message is a joke about lisp (hth)) < 1368861937 720966 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't respect such dreams < 1368861944 513990 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo only dream about going to school w/o underwear < 1368861948 257455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow i am going to quote < 1368861954 115407 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368861960 353829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably kmc has already read it but w/e < 1368861990 780853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's start with a test: Do you have any opinions that you would be reluctant to express in front of a group of your peers? [...] What can't we say? One way to find these ideas is simply to look at things people do say, and get in trouble for. [...] We have such labels today, of course, quite a lot of them, from the all-purpose "inappropriate" to the dreaded "divisive." In any period, it should be easy to figure out what such labels are, simply by < 1368861997 787864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that probably got cut off < 1368862000 324210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have such labels today, of course, quite a lot of them, from the all-purpose "inappropriate" to the dreaded "divisive." In any period, it should be easy to figure out what such labels are, simply by looking at what people call ideas they disagree with besides untrue. [...] < 1368862004 320276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So another way to figure out which of our taboos future generations will laugh at is to start with the labels. Take a label-- "sexist", for example-- and try to think of some ideas that would be called that. Then for each ask, might this be true?" < 1368862022 267649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :label++ example++ < 1368862026 493001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes like two pages to edge towards "hey guys....... i think i might be sexist" < 1368862035 560436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read on HN that women just aren't smart enough to be startup programmers and that's why they do easier stuff like theoretical physics or bioengineering < 1368862044 252022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then backs as far away from it as possible < 1368862159 312493 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368862187 563237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it thanks eric raymond for "conversations about heresy" at the bottom < 1368862192 254312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno whether that is esr or some other guy though < 1368862195 299305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's him < 1368862216 366745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pg and esr are like two sides of the same shitty coin < 1368862243 353051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got it: shitcoin < 1368862246 482751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the certainty < 1368862253 217270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i've seen the way pg and esr look at each other" < 1368862303 202022 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i saw some semi-serious thing called that < 1368862332 319482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm glad that the voices of wealthy white men are finally being heard in this society < 1368862356 137161 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long has the white man been put down with offensive terms like "divisive" and "shitheaded" < 1368862398 99553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant crazy esr post http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4893 < 1368862406 104256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clicking, hth < 1368862409 244656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually read more than a few paragraphs so let me know if it's even better than i imagine < 1368862434 95592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: uh are you saying you don't want to read an eric s raymond post which includes the text < 1368862438 857930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A recent coment on this blog pointed out that many cultures – including our own until around the time of the Industrial Revolution – constructed many of their customs around the belief that women are nigh-uncontrollably < 1368862443 58294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lustful creatures whose sexuality has to be restrained by strict social controls and even the amputation of the clitoris (still routine in large parts of the Islamic world).]] < 1368862465 463485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even < 1368862484 307891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course today our reflex is to dismiss this as pure fantasy with no other function than keeping half the human species in perpetual subjection. But some years ago I found myself asking “What if it really was like that?” < 1368862504 318137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now I'm trying to work out if the european colonization of the US happened before or after the industrial revolution < 1368862515 858218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i scrolled down < 1368862517 193979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can find some support for this theory even in present time. I’ve noted before that in our modern, liberated era women seem not to be demanding as high a clearing price for sex as they should. In traditional terms, they’re being lustful. < 1368862528 357054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will close the tab and just imagine what all the paragraphs i'm not reading could contain < 1368862536 29153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep me satisfied for weeks < 1368862536 226649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they top that < 1368862570 631002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said < 1368862659 367153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368862727 273459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[crickets chirp] < 1368862752 908492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1368862753 267829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm reminded of the debate about sexism in computer games < 1368862780 744050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I thought about it, I came to the conclusion of "in Mario games, you can probably discover something useful by trying to work out if the plot would make sense / be sexist if you swapped the roles of Peach and Luigi" < 1368862802 411780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, although you can draw lots of nice conclusions that way, I'm not sure what they are < 1368862841 96574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like the weirdest conclusion you could come to < 1368862860 174177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't made that much progress < 1368862876 24747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some genuine anti-female sexism in some of the games, but not all of them < 1368862890 637169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a bit of anti-male sexism; I decided to get offended that Kamek is male < 1368862890 869205 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer games are sexist? < 1368862893 131474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdn.unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/soul-calibur.jpg < 1368862901 736046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen a character in that role be female < 1368862902 543478 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally not < 1368862905 411811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of games that don't explicitly hate women, but objectify them or tend to give them one-dimensional roles < 1368862905 609027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a moderately derogatory one < 1368862917 346678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: to be fair, they often give the men one-dimensional roles too < 1368862922 334617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1368862938 880543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB1 is basically "Mario jumps on things, Bowser breathes fireballs, Peach is in another castle" < 1368863010 910855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the game to use as a comparison for sexism games is Yoshi's Island < 1368863017 8870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the characters in Yoshi's Island are male < 1368863024 571839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Luigi takes the role of "person who needs to be rescued") < 1368863043 325486 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it end in italian plumber boys love < 1368863046 346977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still going to buy GTA V though < 1368863066 568537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well they're babies at the time of Yoshi's Island < 1368863073 854477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Yoshis' genders were never stated < 1368863077 137409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't exactly matter at all < 1368863127 38556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: still itchy :'( < 1368863130 125320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i do < 1368863136 246376 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the GTA series actually sexist, or is it just mindlessly violent < 1368863150 470976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess I consider objectification of women a slightly separate problem from sexism in general < 1368863168 944597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can imagine a game that objectifies the men just as much < 1368863177 852200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) is that still sexist? b) is that still a problem? < 1368863190 513876 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like which game < 1368863192 762475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the wider cultural context matters < 1368863197 620053 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexually objectifies men < 1368863201 749421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in the real world women face more problems from being objectified < 1368863240 58796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: there's a male prostitute in neverwinter nights 1, together with two female prostitutes < 1368863265 882833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the main -ism problem with that series is that they keep on trying to put homosexuality into the games and being censored by their publishers < 1368863271 509197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well a lot of the women in the game are strippers and prostitutes and such < 1368863272 49830 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, cool < 1368863272 997548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to something of an anti-gay bias < 1368863280 5137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are encouraged to hurt them to varying degrees < 1368863313 717660 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, for every male stripper in video games there are 100 female protagonists who are equally objectified < 1368863338 398844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a sandbox game it does depend on how you play, naturally < 1368863344 583670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah < 1368863356 645893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you made a game with a male stripper protagonist < 1368863363 387182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then people would probably be outraged < 1368863372 592068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think GTA passes the Bechdel test < 1368863374 981646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the cultural context, a male stripper protagonist would be funny < 1368863375 522894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1368863380 203762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Bechdel test? < 1368863387 582932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google bechdel test < 1368863390 912542 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bechdeltest.com/ < 1368863391 109746 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Bechdel Test Movie List < 1368863399 653252 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A female stripper protagonist would be serious sex business < 1368863423 540450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that reminds me of Guild Council; someone pointed out how weird it was that they had a rule specifically banning female strippers < 1368863427 931144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than strippers in general < 1368863455 456882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: bleh, while I'm waiting for Firefox to load and my window manager to find it, explain? < 1368863478 265442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it a) have two female characters, b) who talk to each other, c) about something other than a man < 1368863497 268188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is depressingly uncommon in popular fiction < 1368863514 703692 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google bechdel test site:tvtropes.org < 1368863515 890143 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBechdelTest < 1368863516 87373 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: The Bechdel Test - Television Tropes & Idioms < 1368863551 588313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it < 1368863566 341069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need a revision to that; the movie also needs to contain two men who talk about something other than a woman < 1368863575 643136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it to be a completely fair test < 1368863577 117951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1368863580 703133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1368863588 469860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all almost every movie has that < 1368863590 35156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point < 1368863597 670167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly thinking of movies with no gendered characters < 1368863603 657111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly this is a classic annoying distraction tactic < 1368863620 494795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or don't they happen often? < 1368863641 834636 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they shouldn't have called it a test < 1368863643 301979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the first page of the list linked implies that more than half the movies actually pass the test < 1368863645 615893 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :bechdel phenomenon < 1368863652 161741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it's an interesting observation < 1368863689 428403 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point isn't that film xyz passes or fails the "test" < 1368863715 446213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overall, most films don't meet the criteria, and hollywood as a whole fails the test < 1368863728 499812 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, this isn't surprising < 1368863783 699076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's annoying when one group complains about discrimination and then another highly privileged group demands equal time to discuss a very rare / hypothetical scenario of them facing similar discrimination < 1368863786 160855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd expect it to historically fail most tests < 1368863787 703216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the guise of "fairness" < 1368863798 306994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, I was trying to filter out false positives/negatives < 1368863799 781232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fairness < 1368863807 819531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you said "for it to be a completely fair test" < 1368863810 28743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but omitting movies with no gendered characters, or no conversations, or the like < 1368863813 176564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1368863819 849208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, meant the scientific meaning there < 1368863824 523116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what I meant < 1368863830 596067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think i understand now < 1368863839 778026 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're latching onto the word "test" < 1368863886 462135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'm wanting to know how worrying it is < 1368863914 252196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that recently, it's not been a problem, or perhaps Hollywood is deliberately manouvering around the letter of the rules < 1368863923 528622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and historically, clearly it was, and nobody should really be surprised at that < 1368863923 725905 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a concrete illustration of something that is already quite obviously true < 1368863925 900307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depressed, perhaps < 1368863991 916123 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368863992 113311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another question to ponder is how many days in your own life pass the bechdel test < 1368864022 94778 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368864036 74514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: many of them fail the "two female characters" test, because I'm often by myself (and not female) < 1368864044 964859 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368864061 526266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's even a sensible question to ask, though < 1368864066 572797 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No excuses, you sexist pig < 1368864094 823125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if you restrict to in person interactions then it is hard < 1368864100 67040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't get out much, lately < 1368864103 982290 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc means the version with the genders swapped < 1368864117 221181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I frequently fail the swapped-genders version too < 1368864122 335586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more often than the non-swapped-genders version < 1368864172 772516 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if male characters talk about sexism on irc < 1368864179 151521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like, meta-bechdel < 1368864216 539857 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4635 < 1368864228 944951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: hmm… does a discussion about sexism count as a discussion about the opposite sex? < 1368864240 274519 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike automatically failed us all by linking to sinfest < 1368864246 180979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, there's some sort of meta-meta-bechdel involved < 1368864246 378167 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1368864254 936903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :bechdel_{n} < 1368864264 322694 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the point of the test is just to point out how many plots for women in movies revolve around romance < 1368864265 852115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha < 1368864279 329146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, that's actually the scariest/most interesting part of it < 1368864281 435331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test 3 < 1368864282 508428 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about males doesn't really matter < 1368864286 612386 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1368864295 45523 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since said plots are about a male, not maledom < 1368864302 382921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing test 1 or test 2 is more likely to happen due to setting reasons than anything else < 1368864308 539034 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's just a silly test, don't over think it < 1368864311 542093 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twilight passes the test < 1368864339 64266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, whether sensible or not, the setting is one in which you wouldn't expect multiple female characters, or for them to be able to interact with each other < 1368864346 612419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc you can complain about movies frequently being given those settings :) < 1368864362 919430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, there's a comparable rule for RPGs < 1368864371 258583 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda movies do you watch < 1368864377 548388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says that the vast majority of RPGs have either exactly 1 or exactly 3 female characters < 1368864379 34011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't < 1368864387 962142 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then. < 1368864421 925519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not like passing or failing this test is a great guide as to whether your fiction is fair to women < 1368864428 32565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Bike's link points out < 1368864441 48651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's an "we'd expect the inaccuracies to average out and still be scared at the result" < 1368864574 510921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, overthinking things is what I do, sometimes < 1368864576 224408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why I'm here < 1368864577 331536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1368864580 892528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for letting me know about it, anyway < 1368864600 720290 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i forget that things like the bechdel test aren't a thing everybody knows < 1368864647 963366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you overthink it when you were first introduced? < 1368864659 671386 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1368864684 705269 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw it in the original comic which was fairly obviously unserious so i dunno < 1368864717 67327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the really interesting thing is the comments section < 1368864720 801572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :observing people arguing on the internet is fun < 1368864726 760622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you don't know the right answer < 1368864742 822893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can glean more from how heavily people argue minor points, than you can from the idea as a whole < 1368864752 298032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, even the fact that they're arguing, independent of the actual opinion) < 1368864763 225761 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fuck i've heard two people praise comments sections in the last day < 1368864765 256915 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where am i < 1368864776 182558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ''''q < 1368864776 527630 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: |syntax error < 1368864776 724778 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: | ''''q < 1368864786 36765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo Bike < 1368864786 234485 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo Bike"]} rest:"Bike" < 1368864789 563300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1368864811 535859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1368864829 389430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm praising them on the basis that their awfulness demonstrates something about humanity < 1368864841 804704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty backhanded praise < 1368864845 76465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it doesn't help you, that's because you're not Bike. < 1368864855 712609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps consider being Bike in future. < 1368864879 514941 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok we're back to sanity thanks ais. < 1368864912 201711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?, again? < 1368864924 562115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the problem < 1368864946 649501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the referent of "it" in your last-but-two line < 1368864956 513659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out what it is < 1368864962 910866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's making the entire line hard to understand < 1368865002 59994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1368865069 197200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm… you're trying to be hard to understand intentionally? < 1368865080 377815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: please explain to ais523 < 1368865103 570087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help echo < 1368865103 773885 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo . echo irc protocol string < 1368865140 727295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fwiw there was a massive misinterpretation all round just before you rageparted < 1368865155 104181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the conversation may be confusing to you if you don't logread the bit in between < 1368865165 510591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you presumably won't, because you rageparted) < 1368865169 660472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's even more confusing to me < 1368865176 88755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting this somehow differs from the usual sense #esoteric makes < 1368865203 688684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would anyone hang out in a channel that generally made no sense? < 1368865243 577335 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good q < 1368865253 251827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you? < 1368865295 551582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I think it generally made more sense than this < 1368865300 117027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I normally paid attention < 1368865305 197293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are mistaken < 1368865325 898171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should make it make sense < 1368865327 900579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy atm < 1368865336 474827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but implementing scapegoat or something would be nice < 1368865339 560551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, why would you ruin #esoteric? < 1368865369 665230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, are you actively trying to drive me away for some reason? < 1368865408 656276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1368865412 126004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you are trying to drive yourself away < 1368865489 814001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, when you said that, I went back and checked your last few lines for evidence of having connected ELIZA to the chat < 1368865576 989086 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368865824 813010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think I'm out of conclusions at this point < 1368866133 20837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw, decided to do some scientific-ish sampling of my own (via reading comments): false negative rate is there but mostly insignificant (probably around 5-10%) < 1368866136 749002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm satisfied now < 1368866157 896506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a lot of missing data in that estimate, though < 1368867484 3143 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368867784 233922 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368868288 807631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it raining so much < 1368869618 581544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: uh, are you planting mind viruses? I just got this urge to work on a tracing JIT for functional languages. < 1368870161 312608 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are a grad student, seek inoculation today. You are especially vulnerable < 1368871156 188846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1368873945 398770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368875359 361124 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368875414 528224 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368875680 81947 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do all the shell commands have dumb defaults < 1368875761 713079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've probably never changed defaults since unix first edition < 1368875896 408587 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :read doesn't default to -r, echo doesn't default to -E, find doesn't default to -print0 or -ls < 1368875922 347513 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is that any shellscript you write is probably insecure out the door < 1368876261 978388 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368877573 687263 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: Moving the server < 1368877775 465936 :iconmaster!~rooms@cpe-74-71-171-202.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368877813 851159 :iconmaster!~rooms@cpe-74-71-171-202.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1368878163 796016 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1368878406 646020 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Probably shouldn't use shell scripts to interact with the outside world < 1368878415 119086 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1368878429 688953 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1368878450 446592 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should delete every shell script from this system then < 1368878454 950307 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm wait, how would I do that < 1368878491 107196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well -print0 isn't POSIX < 1368878511 164296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also rather sucks for interactive use < 1368878529 135690 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :find could default to -ls to a tty, and -print0 otherwise < 1368878673 569181 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :powershell has a type system, and I would use it if it didn't SpellOut EveryCommand in GrandiloquentJargon < 1368878690 566965 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it probably doesn't run on linux but mainly that < 1368879268 376626 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368879273 971664 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368879752 656910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ek6pe/plot_twist_for_the_social_network_the_winklevii/ < 1368880648 464088 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-190-154.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368881617 293425 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1368881780 158078 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368881799 368942 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't it be very sad < 1368881803 373549 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If lens turns out to be a fad < 1368882273 787955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a poem < 1368882296 785708 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a couplet < 1368882311 969453 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs a few more lines to be a poem < 1368883040 761236 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like void and reflection < 1368883044 566501 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And differentiation < 1368883048 151010 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trifecta and comonad < 1368883087 244750 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368885236 57474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368885676 40131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368886003 473058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368886529 657489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : function range_unscale(rx,x) { < 1368886531 197100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : return [Math.ceil(rx[0]/nextfloat(x)), < 1368886532 658736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Math.floor(prevfloat(prevfloat(rx[1]+1)/nextfloat(x)))]; < 1368886534 137366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1368886545 973507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of my cunning solution to floating-point rounding problems? < 1368886578 737301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't < 1368886664 920650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1368886667 350902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, this performs the inverse of multiplying a range by a constant factor and truncating to the integer below < 1368886672 674608 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that javascript? < 1368886677 591441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining nextfloat and prevfloat in javascript was a little annoying < 1368886679 256334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yes < 1368886691 102118 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was wondering about the nextfloat/prevfloat implementations < 1368886693 51781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to detect if somebody accesses the address of a variable. < 1368886704 899294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's basically just recursion < 1368886712 521150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep finding successively nearer floats until the values don't change < 1368886719 75501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except implemented using iteratino < 1368886737 604510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this is one of those algorithms that's equally clear iterative or recursive < 1368886766 105098 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-190-154.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368886863 34310 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the trick in range_unscale is. floats are weird < 1368887028 250866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's basically using the fact that floating-point arithmetic is accurate to 1 ULP < 1368887038 410190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to always fall just the right side of an integer for floor/ceil < 1368887321 814274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what's nextfloat called in C99? < 1368887324 564951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it has a name < 1368887886 845272 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man nextafter < 1368887887 42429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368887890 818807 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1368887934 571510 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368888732 996362 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368889132 599087 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368889177 213159 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368889350 46033 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1368889357 612995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know about pam_ssh < 1368889685 133240 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368889753 562895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368890092 423970 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368890098 13523 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368892667 81572 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368893480 348147 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368893629 471876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think so < 1368893923 939011 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368894098 716939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo why didn't you tell me about it and urxvtd < 1368894127 896333 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1368894248 468077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's urxvtd < 1368894278 569691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it lets you run all your urxvts from one process, part of urxvt < 1368894288 565885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening a terminal is so fast now < 1368894310 484862 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was opening a terminal ever slow < 1368894314 115872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it will even open one when i am urgently trying to kill -9!!!! < 1368894316 169209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: yes < 1368894328 161160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't imagine the speed < 1368894338 234724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines!!! and my life is anew < 1368894624 737012 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: didi you sleep at some point < 1368894658 502976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1368894683 778039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: its lifechangimf=g!! < 1368894692 46934 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your'e a fool < 1368894710 708662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your a bike < 1368894717 694380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you may want to sleep, it's quite good for many reasons < 1368894753 271483 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1368894754 566083 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a good dream it was about mario and abiogenesis < 1368894759 412770 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~benefits of sleeping~ < 1368894771 616641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good < 1368894785 512059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cat imagine a better two cincept < 1368894792 59536 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mario an rna strand < 1368894834 887095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Jafet++ because "grandiloquent" is a great word < 1368895222 998567 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines? < 1368895241 367211 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whats the two lines < 1368895248 280238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1368895249 689962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1368895254 120668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 set up urxvtd < 1368895283 679747 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.81.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought 2 lines to open a term (this'd be hilarious) < 1368895296 913782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur hilareas < 1368895472 223317 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how every star trek character seems to be smuggling illegal alien ale, wine, cider or other spirits < 1368895544 598741 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegal alien everclear < 1368896425 886453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegal alien four loko < 1368896554 853650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Alexander Poleshchuk, who spent six months on Mir in 1993 said that when their personal reserves ran out, some on the space station would explore it for more, removing interior panels during their expeditions. "Sometimes we would bump into a bottle of cognac," he said. "What a joy it was."' < 1368896644 25860 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368896755 52990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best space station ever < 1368896902 708265 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i don'nt know if i could do that < 1368896911 240498 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like a foot between you and void... < 1368896918 181885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you not erady rfor sopace < 1368896927 892475 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i am not ready for space < 1368896940 110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM READY FOR EPSPACE < 1368897070 220246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reedy for pace < 1368897077 989050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardy for splays < 1368897093 72476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly four case < 1368897105 513401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lardy pork chase < 1368897114 14292 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1368897116 692681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1368897122 863803 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep < 1368897126 816513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1368897133 227744 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1368897143 773997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't leave me < 1368897159 443415 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be here, in bed < 1368897166 511984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me 2 < 1368897468 919055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space Station 13, only on BYOND? < 1368897487 127537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, I think there are attempts to port it elsewhere) < 1368897642 378043 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1368898176 934411 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1368898207 445867 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Client Quit < 1368898963 805647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1368901152 669572 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1368903224 852362 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368903789 607681 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368903916 418241 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1368904449 310709 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368904457 127293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: you know, i think kmc was right < 1368904476 505262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are maybe 20 british comedic actors on tv < 1368904537 189017 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Qings and koeens <-- Qings and koens, about the little known jewish merchants in china < 1368904611 538730 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i don't think the kaifeng jews were stereotypically merchants < 1368904763 748279 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can only included that "Guy Whom Randall Monroe Is Better Than" is now a standard xkcd cast member <-- (1) that's an incorrect use of "whom" (2) i don't think hat man is supposed to represent munroe, at least not his main personality. < 1368904797 788755 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see, they're so little known i didn't know about them when making the pun hth < 1368904805 324244 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aware < 1368904821 952336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, it's a deft misdirection < 1368904830 412961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean not a deft misdirection at all < 1368904850 133269 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kind of a shitty misdirection really" < 1368904871 697500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it's basically the worst misdirection ever < 1368904882 201649 :TheGuyKnownBefor!~TheGuyKno@218.101.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1368904891 410996 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it doesn't make it any better that the kid clearly _does_ represent munroe (as a kid) < 1368904947 42311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should distract myself with DS9 < 1368904950 40567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said yesterday < 1368904962 344516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy^W hairstyle has appeared before < 1368904965 625761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes < 1368904966 588728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do so < 1368904990 614400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wish Amazon had a way to track already watched episodes the way Hulu does < 1368905183 966887 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw why i consider that use of "whom" probably incorrect: to consider it correct, you would have to care about the distinction between "who" and "whom" (to use "whom" at all), but still not care about the distinction between "better than I" vs. "better than me" < 1368905196 522256 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a nerd. < 1368905212 929932 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt Bike is stating obvious facts < 1368905220 345164 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you wear a pocket protector? I bet you do. < 1368905236 207148 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1368905248 462595 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i don't use shirts with pockets at all. < 1368905266 268821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it feels.. good, but weird, that Farscape has episodes that seem like they're dedicated to just revealing a character's past, but those episodes have an intense plot < 1368905306 996494 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i keep my pens in the pocket of my sweater. fortunately none of them have leaked yet. < 1368905320 548287 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you know what a pocket protector's for < 1368905322 410312 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double nerd! < 1368905348 534998 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i had to look it up to understand pocket protector nerd jokes, duh < 1368905366 919330 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would you have to check? that's right. because you're a DOUBLE NERD < 1368905379 766960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of making a language based on half bits in terms of semidecidable, but i had no idea of what to do with it, yet. i thought of declaring one halfbit as the inverse of another halfbit to make it a full bit, but from that point on it would be pretty normal < 1368905380 700623 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well in theory, in reality i don't remember how i learned it. actually it may have been from dilbert or something.) < 1368905387 598532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that for older worse kinds of pens that leaked all the time? I've never had a pen leak < 1368905393 523640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, which episode are you actually talking about < 1368905410 539057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, rhapsody in blue i guess < 1368905415 521263 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: what do half bits have to do with semidecidability < 1368905422 241767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and They've Got a Secret < 1368905433 696550 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can either say if it's 1 or nothing < 1368905440 293273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that makes more sense < 1368905448 970981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember: don't watch the episode after rhapsody in blue < 1368905452 406976 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still has nothing to do with semidecidability, and also that's just a bit. < 1368905456 374751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wait what? < 1368905482 232707 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, it's not. if you ask, if it's zero and it's not zero, it won't terminate < 1368905490 722594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally everyone says it's awful < 1368905510 17694 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see. < 1368905521 858038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it as continuity-irrelevant as Threshold though? < 1368905525 978880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's important later < 1368905569 183685 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: have you looked at turkey bomb yet, i hear it has rather weirdly divided bits < 1368905586 540213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it doesn't end up mattering < 1368905591 833981 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, but i'll check < 1368905663 260286 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i even managed to wash my sweater with a pen in it once and nothing significant resulted. so no, leaks are not a problem (this statement generalizes to all pens by induction hth) < 1368905673 976198 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what the fuck? < 1368905706 493304 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in relation to turkey bomb < 1368905709 691737 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes: yes the fuck < 1368905731 273605 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that even implementable? < 1368905731 816943 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually know turkey bomb hth
< 1368905772 591979 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i googled 'turkey bomb' to see the definition again and got a bunch of reports of bombings in turkey :( < 1368905773 153166 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there have been attempts to clarify it enough to implement some of it, i'm not sure they've succeeded < 1368905846 478460 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: btw would your semidecidable bits be similar to using two of haskell's True, False, undefined values? < 1368905868 7802 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kind of < 1368905884 784545 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1368905901 179053 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't find any way to make the basic idea to a full language :( < 1368905921 909886 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is this connected to upper/lower semicontinuousness and the semicolon topology < 1368905980 621147 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i think there's an esolang where you can only set bits, not clear them < 1368905984 77860 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1368906055 693639 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i may be confusing with Sqeql (sp?) where you can add but not delete cells from the queue < 1368906071 827825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Sceql, but I'm not sure either < 1368906077 391753 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sceql < 1368906082 933576 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1368906100 788524 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you know all that stuff? :D < 1368906133 319614 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which stuff? < 1368906156 652723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I've almost certainly looked over every page on the wiki at least once, as a spam check < 1368906167 352899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a case of trying to remembre < 1368906175 671197 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also do the spam check thing < 1368906187 87390 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1368906187 854025 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although just on the recent changes < 1368906195 807719 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is F ~ 1/r^4 for the strong force? < 1368906289 665145 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: iirc the strong force doesn't actually decrease fast, what happens is that once you separate enough the potential energy becomes so high that new quarks pop into existence, neutralizing the color charge. < 1368906344 808928 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this emerges the nuclear force between nucleons, which i don't quite remember how fast it falls off. < 1368906348 328627 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so it sort of can only act within a fixed radius, but in it is constant? < 1368906400 814149 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, thanks wikipedia < 1368906414 194869 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the strong force does not diminish in strength with increasing distance" < 1368906509 397047 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: btw the reason i know about sceql is because it's a derivative of qdeql which i proved tc a while ago < 1368906569 131160 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the point behind sceql < 1368906606 182579 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sceql was an attempt to modify qdeql to make it tc when it was thought it wasn't. < 1368906611 343147 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1368906632 286802 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that it wasn't. < 1368906661 613353 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nuclear force does diminish in strength with distance apparently, although they don't have an expression for that < 1368906667 864959 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I don't need that < 1368906699 763028 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I do < 1368906783 148450 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically afaiu everything involving the strong and nuclear force are crazy complicated to calculate because things don't fall off fast enough to ignore complicated interactions < 1368906879 670416 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is an impression, i don't have much more than a popular science level of knowledge of this.) < 1368906911 541402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also something to do with the particles mediating the forces having charges < 1368906917 608606 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm just having some fun with it, not really trying to fully grasp this < 1368906923 997092 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that too < 1368906926 79858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, photons are electrically neutral, so you can leave them out of some calculations < 1368906931 266167 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the required math anyway < 1368906935 208914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gluons have a colour charge and you have to include that < 1368906970 611376 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think the weak force has charged mediators but still falls off fast enough to be handleable < 1368907007 238636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weak force continues to confuse me despite several attempts to work out what it actually is < 1368907020 665224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is it mediates some quark-lepton interactions < 1368907325 935804 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368907352 199410 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1368907857 635676 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 TOPIC #esoteric :Not a phyg | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1368908039 570861 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368908087 489899 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368908115 373361 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sanfrankeeskensis <-- sanfrankenstein < 1368908181 310386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :Not a phrog | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1368908498 362155 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 phrog < 1368908500 131787 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuebt < 1368908508 857073 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT A WORD SHEESH < 1368908563 354929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1368908566 296813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's olde englishe < 1368908570 672633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cubed < 1368908670 625628 :TheGuyKnownBefor!~TheGuyKno@218.101.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368908970 768971 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'QUAIL < 1368909154 253844 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1368909442 19321 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1368909462 775938 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i really need to get to completing my gf-operative-partial-evaluation fantasy <-- that sounded much better when i thought gf was for "girlfriend" hth < 1368909539 576668 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :girlfriend operative? < 1368909546 521391 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1368909636 798770 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :girlfriend partial evaluation fantasy < 1368909876 512644 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what if @'s name is zero characters WHAT THEN <-- by the time @'s name is ready the chinese will have taken over the world so just make it a single han character hth < 1368910743 969205 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i think we need more clever well-recognized idioms based on nematodes < 1368910748 609830 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1037) i think we need more clever well-recognized idioms based on nematodes < 1368911082 740539 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Bike < 1368911089 117688 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6170 < 1368911142 272339 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368911204 260125 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really not a fan of how that presents as a download < 1368911223 172421 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1368911232 737229 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually /voted/ in the Eurovision Song Contest < 1368911319 853658 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DIMBEFACT: LITERALLY TRANSLATED, THIS SONG ACTS AS A DETAILED APOLOGY FOR VOLCANO-RELATED FLIGHT DELAYS AND BANK COLLAPSES #EUROVISION" you voted for iceland right < 1368911349 450180 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Danish TV channel once used images from Assassin's Creed to illustrate a news report on Syria " and against denmark < 1368911509 770291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did vote for an island country with a low population < 1368911523 6094 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... cyprus? < 1368911525 17137 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a weird language < 1368911528 564757 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :malta? < 1368911534 524288 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malta < 1368911546 228174 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic isn't very weird!!! statistically < 1368911570 165492 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, an Arabic language written in the Latin alphabet? < 1368911588 326670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently, it's pretty much a mix of Tunisian Arabic and Italian) < 1368911599 53553 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes i know it's weird that's why i guessed it) < 1368911631 713629 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a fair bit of English in it, to < 1368911632 154054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1368911635 697290 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's actually intelligible with MSA < 1368911681 495472 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I've heard a Tunisian who speaks Italian can generally work out what's what < 1368911693 333585 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ġeografikament, l-Ewropa hi parti tas-superkontinent ta' l-Ewrasja" well i can understand this < 1368911748 549306 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and supposedly a maltese speaker could not understand "Ir-raġel qiegħed fid-dar" < 1368911754 937202 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, speaks italian, duh. < 1368911775 322625 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like unerstanding english by speaking german and french. < 1368911822 253674 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1368911859 806814 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can tell what I mean when I say "The sewer sows seeds in the sewer so the sow sees her son" < 1368911946 808985 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1368912067 37353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you vote with the MOBILE APPLICATION? < 1368912071 283675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard there's one now. < 1368912075 966607 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not available in the UK < 1368912080 173667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. :/ < 1368912081 892360 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did vote with a mobile < 1368912102 53653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't voting cost money? < 1368912114 264562 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 15 whole pence < 1368912137 375943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful. < 1368912234 680459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These filler bits are... are quite. < 1368912256 208348 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're getting the life and times of Bonnie Tyler < 1368912278 58289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought these were universal, since there was nothing Finland-specific. < 1368912293 631452 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's back to Sweden < 1368912299 488966 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the UK's just weird < 1368912335 103116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There've been a couple Sweden-travel-documentary-parody kind of things. < 1368912352 912006 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, look at that efficient recycling system < 1368912361 732836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely gonna visit Sweden now < 1368912364 63223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're getting this same song then. < 1368912376 621816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1368912408 675707 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden sounds like southern England < 1368912413 24504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of this I think would have applied to Finnish stereotypes too. < 1368912417 497526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that previous train bit. < 1368912439 979317 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The queueing is very UK < 1368912448 733154 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've heard the train bit about the South < 1368912477 408223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently we have no other kind of "culture" than trying to make jokes about how swedes are odd < 1368912520 140278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Also gay. < 1368912586 697841 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: actually i think it's stereotypically swedish to think swedes don't really have a culture hth < 1368912675 245451 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also possibly stereotypical, in sweden, bringing up any _actual_ swedish culture is considered racism. < 1368912708 444432 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: All in a good night's troll < 1368912893 874354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the other stereotypes that one is also largely true < 1368913269 785322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, here's the part where they do countries and numbers in french again < 1368913310 971238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuurgh < 1368913316 897156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Thank's for giving your top points to Denmark and Norway, and zero to Finland, you Swede. < 1368913323 490780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank's". < 1368913328 578809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'define the determinant of a matrix' is such a nasty little question < 1368913399 606051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Finland's song was not good, hth < 1368913410 244358 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the product of the eigenvalues? < 1368913533 497824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That shouldn't matter. < 1368913563 162058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be very unfair to the countries with less bad songs if you got more points < 1368913612 803639 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368913658 718526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, the whole point is to vote for neighbor countries and such. < 1368913673 341858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1368913782 532083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, lol < 1368913787 566009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll use that one < 1368913803 475330 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1368913820 417939 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case there are so many ways you could define it that mandating any particular one would be silly < 1368913837 989563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, precisely < 1368913865 186838 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'product of the eigenvalues' is nice and short < 1368913865 384391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for 'lol' is that the order we were taught things was determinants -> eigenvalues < 1368913882 218675 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google anti-determinants < 1368913883 847073 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC117182/ < 1368913884 44181 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Transfer RNA determinants for translational editing by Escherichia coli valyl-tR ... < 1368913885 268738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitely not the definition the exam expects < 1368913887 875133 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1368913911 648775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least eigenvalues and eigenvectors have some sort of meaning, I've never understood what those determinants do < 1368913912 89719 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.axler.net/DwD.html < 1368913970 262120 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :determinants first is the usual way to teach but i dunno why < 1368913970 560514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, from my perspective determinants aren't so much one thing as this gestalt of equivalent definitions and algorithms for calculating the < 1368913971 967810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1368913976 575668 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because: what olsner said < 1368913999 445894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which are really more definitive than the others < 1368914025 894968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably also learned to get eigenthings out of determinants, I just forgot all of that < 1368914115 894399 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned determinants starting with an axiomatic definition and then deriving a formula after proving a bunch of things about them..........i think eigenthings came shortly after that? < 1368914226 48061 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope there's a thing called an eigendeterminant that's like an eigenvalue but for a matrix being transformed by a tensor. that would be good. < 1368914312 314647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: how should i learnn determinants < 1368914318 331627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do you recommend "your method" < 1368914344 448193 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure < 1368914346 749309 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: By means of dynamic equilibrium considerations, the reaction of the point supports is imposed by using the Lagrange multipliers method. This yields the eigendeterminant of a constrained panel by appropriately coupling the response of a suitably large number of natural vibration modes of the corresponding unconstrained structural element. < 1368914390 625230 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1368914470 592624 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo read DwD < 1368914508 856044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Down with Determinants!"? < 1368914521 281204 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i linked it right there. < 1368914569 488556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i wasn't here at the time do you expect me to read scrollbackwards what kind of person do you think i am < 1368914585 807654 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have it as "antideterminants.pdf" on my hard drive no wonder < 1368914628 444393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo DwDwD < 1368914659 426572 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that;s mean, shachaf. < 1368914664 516495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DwB < 1368914688 860831 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :down with bisulphates? < 1368914695 753224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down with Bikes (that's you) < 1368914701 458725 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1368914704 613676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UwM < 1368914711 624859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mnoqy) < 1368914714 938066 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1368914808 533390 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, croccantini < 1368914810 942625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I've decided to try to finish DS9 before watching more Farscape < 1368914824 968698 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been annoyed at how expensive these things are: http://www.lapanzanella.com/croccantini-crackers.html < 1368914827 324144 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're so delicious < 1368914829 364652 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just made my own! < 1368914831 376156 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom < 1368914846 160497 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368914864 106398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: That's the solution to most culinary dilemmas < 1368914873 527029 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you know how to cook anyway < 1368914880 536604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you end up with more problems < 1368914947 801608 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1368914951 472979 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :these turned out pretty well < 1368914979 50593 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that I just spent an hour making two packets' worth of them goes to show how much I value my time though :P < 1368915122 514468 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've made a bigger batch? < 1368915134 969101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now that you know how, it might not take a full hour < 1368915214 871836 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup I should've < 1368915219 32911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't know how they'd turn out < 1368915265 618011 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'll start making 10lb batches of them < 1368915268 237003 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've broken the 20! < 1368915273 548030 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to get all the cheese to go with them < 1368915791 206242 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or start making your own cheese too < 1368915810 259787 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to < 1368915814 70736 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a huge fan of cheese < 1368915821 419972 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't trust myself to make the moldy stuff or aged stuff :P < 1368915826 744080 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozzarella sounds good < 1368915829 982472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :curdling milk etc is not too hard < 1368915838 503038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need a ton of milk though < 1368915848 224040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1368915853 933368 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1368915867 52020 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried making mozzarella once but heated it up too much and made something closer to ricotta < 1368915873 678278 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :still wasn't bad but I prefer mozzarella < 1368915891 603389 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1368915897 537564 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1368915934 772005 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1368916033 230634 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1368916624 81898 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1368916990 950052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fields to vote on are: qualify, theme, puzzle, original, technical, literature, plot, difficulty, gameplay, atmosphere, goodjob, overall. Do you have some idea of what weight should be assigned to each one? < 1368917036 373794 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an overall category which is then incorporated into a combined measure? < 1368917071 172746 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: goner < 1368917429 496289 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so I think I've figured out why I don't like /r/atheism. I think that one of the most important traits a person can have is the ability to entertain points of view they disagree with. < 1368917460 504488 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like almost everyone who posts in /r/atheism accomplishes nothing besides showing that they don't have this trait. < 1368917466 186305 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so I find the whole thing pretty sad. < 1368917530 690764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should still think of them, agree or disagree, to learn about it. < 1368918198 234722 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1368918742 952405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, i agree except i'm not completely sure what you mean by 'entertain' there < 1368918800 702424 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about, consider the implications of. < 1368918812 658392 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the problem with r/atheism was that it was a shitty hive, but it's been a while < 1368918890 398399 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1368918930 810076 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know i'm not stereotyping them too badly < 1368919083 961726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.axler.net/DwD.pdf < 1368919085 172205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr < 1368919090 807013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1368919091 318431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this all using the complexes < 1368919098 964146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DwPhantom_Hoover < 1368919107 163482 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complexes are your friend ph < 1368919109 740917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm used to it all being arbitrary fields < 1368919147 603658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer arbitrary fields because you can just pretend they're R and avoid thinking too much < 1368919167 257281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it needs to be algebraically complete maybe < 1368919234 87959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_variety thanks google i'm sure that's what bike meant < 1368919316 646927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just < 1368919331 630988 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't take a root of an arbitrary real-coefficient polynomial and have it be real < 1368919334 611821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the word < 1368919350 61759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed, algebraically closed < 1368919350 984886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck math. < 1368919462 594457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i'm saying is that i forget if a real matrix necessarily has real eigenvalues < 1368919499 848375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not every real matrix has real eigenvalues, but every complex matrix has at least one complex eigenvalue." k then < 1368919522 132002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're going to have to need to study some lambda calculus hth < 1368919530 922514 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey go fuck yo self < 1368919551 364305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UwPuns DwBikes < 1368919560 184660 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't give a damn < 1368919564 604311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8r < 1368919614 674219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people on Reddit are currently angry at me < 1368919706 607171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the eigenvalue of the y combinator < 1368919708 801856 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it: one < 1368919718 465293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: reddit doesn't matter hth < 1368919830 91149 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1368919930 196186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just met someone who liked voyager more than ds9 < 1368919938 43397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you even say to someone like that < 1368919995 459457 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr NICK :Tritonio < 1368920002 363552 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello" < 1368920070 212817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My recommendations might not apply as much to you, because according to my judgements of quality of fiction, DS9 should be grater than VOY, so since your judgment of those two is different, it's likely you'd disagree with my other judgments" < 1368920071 451848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also "your place or mine?" < 1368920099 296298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just laughed < 1368920130 683809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, in your opinion, is Voyager better than Stargate Infinity? < 1368920154 512827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no opinion on the matter < 1368920154 754100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Voyager better than Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing: The Movie by Uwe Boll would be? < 1368920159 531397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they're all shit < 1368920160 701554 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1368920211 476121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'd watch the fuck out of such a movie fyi < 1368920231 717740 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that'd probably be amazing. < 1368920235 380434 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible, but amazing. < 1368920279 549299 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops apologies Sgeo turns out I've got a hl on stargate and this irc client makes notices and hls look alike < 1368920296 471913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot is resolved by reversing the truck in a circle faster than the speed of light < 1368920304 999253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate Universe != Stargate Infinity < 1368920329 633077 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's stargate infinity why haven't I heard about it < 1368920360 355453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A non-canonical animated Stargate show for kids < 1368920387 921239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1368920397 490059 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhh yeah I remember deciding to watch it and then changing my mind a few minutes into it < 1368920452 220198 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched Voyager but I'm pretty sure it should be better than any hypothetical Uwe Boll movie < 1368920472 757661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Koen_ < 1368920473 33421 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because you're an optimist. < 1368920475 554920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch farscape < 1368920488 954952 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duly noted < 1368920505 84727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you like Voyager and dislike DS9: In this case you might dislike anything that Phantom_Hoover considers to be good < 1368920514 210193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Phantom_Hoover: Watch Puella Magi Madoka Magica < 1368920514 716505 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm in the middle of what appears to be an 8 hour show about a bank robbing so I'll finish that first < 1368920536 151525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can i watch an internet review of it instead < 1368920541 713271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically the same < 1368920551 975450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "instead". And make sure it's spoiler-free. < 1368920566 173753 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I second the recommendation. < 1368920583 97141 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stellar, though you won't be able to recognize this for a couple episodes. < 1368920608 905909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well somebody mail me a box set as part of the #esoteric Exchange Of Things Program < 1368920618 578124 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before then you'll be wondering "what the fuck is this Sailor Moon shit" < 1368920792 112013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i enjoyed sailor moon some time in my distant youth < 1368920805 746473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i saw it maybe twice < 1368920880 275664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, incidentally, there are only 12 30-minute episodes < 1368920892 161123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not like it will take a long time to watch the entire thing < 1368920902 212974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 hours! < 1368920918 221203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also as i have mentioned before i am unable to torrent things on university internet < 1368920918 419083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to how many hours of Farscape? < 1368920919 100955 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1368920920 51523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DS9? < 1368920971 855588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was serious about the box set < 1368920972 323316 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Farscape currently running? or is it over < 1368920981 501385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been over for the better part of a decade < 1368920992 108769 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause when I watch shows that are still running they usually get cancelled pretty quickly I wouldn't want to be responsible for that < 1368921013 777929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was also cancelled before its time (i blame stargate) < 1368921045 291521 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Stargate was cancelled too < 1368921046 876273 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually < 1368921109 143313 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda getting old, in the 8th season every episode made me feel like the actors were telling us "ok we don't honestly know if it's over or not so we're gonna stall just a little bit without doing anything decisive like getting a fourth team member or anything" < 1368921159 206792 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in the 9th and 10th seasons "ok looks like we're here for sixty or so more episodes so hum let us introduce you to The Gods Who Are Even More Powerful Than The Previous Gods < 1368921161 421433 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly irritated it wasn't cancelled earlier. < 1368921165 785568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8th season finale was more of a series finale < 1368921167 207394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1368921172 996342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or was that a different season?) < 1368921180 948359 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. 8th season it should've *died*. < 1368921190 883664 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it was all "... dammit we're still here." < 1368921197 744351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember hearing that they did a big final finale and then they got continued < 1368921207 803013 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall the 8th season final was something completely nonsensical about time travel < 1368921215 32641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they start a new story arc, and the series gets canceled in the middle of the new story arc < 1368921227 509456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas farscape was scheduled for a 4th and 5th season then cancelled at the end of the 4th with no warning < 1368921228 762745 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, no, that was just wasting time after the ACTUAL finale < 1368921234 119104 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1368921256 611729 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh right you mean the awesome battle over artantica < 1368921257 969305 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they got to cram a season into a film. < 1368921259 178434 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arctantica < 1368921264 186442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-225-220.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it < 1368921290 351712 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-159.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sci-Fi channel: "what do you mean, appeal to sci-fi fans?" < 1368921290 677395 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna look it up Bike < 1368921326 870248 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :antartica? < 1368921343 302847 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wikipedia says antarctica, close enough < 1368921365 94905 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall someone in stargate atlantis making a joke about their new planet < 1368921368 507169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, hmm, thought that was an earlier season < 1368921383 807449 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmmmmmmm maybe < 1368921415 144282 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colonel Whatshisname from seasons 9 and 10 is supposed to have been in the battle and I think the battle was from a while before < 1368921433 744257 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Anubis makes several appearances after having been defeated < 1368921442 964217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, it's so confusing to watch Farscape, because that actor was the main character in Farscape < 1368921449 328174 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right season 8th's final is the one where the replicators get killed < 1368921465 51868 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'm gonna watch farscape < 1368921477 931504 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so ridiculous < 1368921488 709764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss my plans are coming together < 1368921492 886283 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the replicators are basically supposed to be impossible to get rid of < 1368921501 972757 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just love it Phantom_Hoover < 1368921511 478032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok going AFK < 1368921511 675547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1368921522 768179 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Hannibal Smith that's why < 1368921533 355337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because TV