00:00:14 OS/ABI: UNIX - System V 00:00:18 Machine: Atmel AVR 8-bit microcontroller 00:01:17 it has a provision for 'undefined behavior' 00:02:12 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:04:56 avr-gcc creates an image that will I think execute whatever happened to be in flash before 00:05:05 after the standard bss-zeroing routine 00:10:59 "main;" is undefined behavior, presumably. 00:11:07 Does a syntax error count as crashing? 00:12:57 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:13:12 hi mnoqy 00:13:25 how's the worst thing in the world 00:14:12 hi 00:14:17 i havent been around 00:14:20 you should be telling me! 00:14:34 i should? 00:14:42 why would i make your life miserable 00:16:01 mnoqy: how's CFTWM goin'g 00:19:07 what's that 00:20:07 categories for the working mississippian 00:20:17 it's not a ctf sorry :"( 00:20:43 Capture The Flag With Mnoqy 00:21:37 SGEO_: HEY IT"S FRIDAY WHERE"S MY ~OLIST 00:21:46 shachaf: im still in my "first pass" where im just reading it while im waiting for things like between classes and not really spening a lot of time on the exercies 00:21:50 ~OLIST 00:22:25 mnoqy: ok and "how s it goin g" 00:23:34 shachaf: im "on" the kan extensions section but i might go back and do some of the exercises now....the "initial pass" thing is starting to break down 00:24:54 oh boy kan exntesoins 00:25:51 kmc: do you play the game where you type a ^W ^Y ^Y ^W ^Y ^Y ^W ^Y ^Y ... 00:26:23 i do now 00:27:26 watch out for "using up all your memory" 00:27:31 sha chafchafsha chafchafchafchafsha chafchafsha chafchafchafchafchafchafchafchafsha chafchafsha chafchafchafchafsha chafchafsha chafchafchafchafchafchafchafchaf 00:27:45 also ^U works if you have spaces 00:29:11 ((((\x. x x)(\x. x x))((\x. x x)(\x. x x)))(((\x. x x)(\x. x x))((\x. x x)(\x. x x))))((((\x. x x)(\x. x x))((\x. x x)(\x. x x)))(((\x. x x)(\x. x x))((\x. x x)(\x. x x)))) 00:30:31 ok 00:30:53 B Bi Bik Bike ike ke e 00:31:14 > unwords $ liftA2 (++) inits tails "Bike" 00:31:15 " B Bi Bik Bike Bike ike ke e " 00:31:25 -!- objobj has joined. 00:32:06 uh 00:32:40 `welcome objobj 00:32:42 objobj: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 00:37:31 -!- objobj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:37:36 -!- Koen__ has quit (Quit: Koen__). 00:37:55 tswett, I should read the ruleset someday 00:38:14 Is it on your to-do list? 00:38:34 I don't particularly have a formal to-do list 00:38:37 Maybe I should 00:39:41 I've found making one monolithic to-do list to be more useful than all other anti-procrastination techniques combined. 00:40:46 hm 00:42:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevator_algorithm 00:42:48 I was hoping to read about algorithms that elevators use... 00:44:13 :D 00:44:17 play SimTower 00:45:36 objobj is gone. :-( 00:45:47 After 15 years of not using IRC. 00:45:47 i wonder how sophisticated lift programming is these days 00:47:09 The algorithm described in thar article does not seem like it would necessarily be the best, but it does seem like it would be good at making people on the elevator not get angry 00:48:13 yeah, i guess you have limited control once people actually get into them 00:56:10 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 01:04:05 Do intrusive thoughts get worse with sleep deprivation? 01:04:52 is that like "intrusive data structures" 01:05:12 No. 01:10:55 But how do you get from the passphrase to the AES encryption key? I couldn’t find it documented anywhere, so I had to dig through the OpenSSL source to find it: 01:10:58 Append the first 8 bytes of the IV to the passphrase, without a separator (serves as a salt). 01:11:01 Take the MD5 hash of the resulting string (once). 01:11:34 is this how the key for encrypting my ssh private key is generated :'( 01:11:46 yep apparently 01:11:52 but you can upgrade to pbkdf2 01:11:55 i think that article says how 01:12:35 Sgeo_: I'm not sure but I would believe it. certainly visual and auditory (pseudo)hallucinations do 01:12:54 if I stay up long enough I start to see illusory patterns on textured surfaces, hear music in white noise, etc 01:13:13 sometimes hear whispering voices that i can't quite make out 01:13:23 it's a pseudohallucination because I know that these things aren't real 01:13:27 similar effects to LSD really 01:13:32 (in that respect) 01:14:37 i love the hallucinations from staying up long enough 01:14:54 so easy? 01:15:39 No. :-( 01:31:18 maybe i should drink from the clear jar that says "WINE" on it in magic marker 01:32:11 I used to get a warm fuzzy feeling from staying up long enough. 01:32:48 Nowadays it just feels awful. 01:33:03 I think kmc told me I was getting old. 01:33:36 :/ 01:33:42 i think shachaf and i are getting old at the same rate 01:34:11 the ratio of our ages is getting closer to 1 :'( 01:35:29 i guess next week I'll get old a bit less due to traveling at 0.0000008c for a few hours 01:35:33 'pretty fast imo' 01:36:02 'pretty slow imo' - photon 01:36:19 photons can't talk, you're thinking of phonons 01:36:28 is your flight all planned and booked 01:36:32 yes 01:36:52 who booked it, the non-profit or the non-non-profit 01:36:56 the latter 01:37:18 99% profit free 01:37:50 maybe you'll move to sf and i'll move to boston to balance things out 01:37:59 Mar 29: B6 633 BOS→SFO; Jun 4: AA 1530 SJC→ORD, AA 1358 ORD→BOS 01:38:01 o no 01:38:09 no plans to though 01:38:49 You're flying via ORD? 01:38:57 yep 01:39:33 By the timing of those flights you're not stopping there to meet people, though. 01:39:48 correct, they just scheduled a 1-stop flight for whatever reason 01:39:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:40:41 i have a hotel in Mountain View for the 29th and the 2nd and 3rd 01:41:21 And in between? 01:41:27 will stay with friends in SF 01:41:44 hotel is useful so that i don't have to take caltrain at ass o' clock 01:43:25 Hmm, I need to be in SF sometime between 10 and 13 sometime. 01:49:15 you could go on Friday and we could hang out after 01:50:16 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 01:52:20 That's possible. 01:53:19 is it hard for you to get to SF? 01:53:39 Not particularly? 01:53:50 are you within walking distance of caltrain 01:54:12 You know where I live. 01:54:17 not precisely 01:54:50 Newell Rd. & Woodland Ave. 01:55:04 sounds picturesque 01:55:19 so close to ikea 01:55:29 Yep. 01:55:33 I've never been there, though. 01:55:43 they have good meatballs, I guess that doesn't interest you though 01:55:49 well 'good' may be hasty 01:55:52 they have meatballs 01:56:03 a good meatball is a dead meatball 01:56:11 the meatballs are surprisingly non-awful for food that comes from a furniture store 01:56:44 looks like a 2 mile walk to caltrain 01:57:01 There is also a bus. 01:57:03 it's weird how south bay seems so sprawly but it's only like 5 miles across 01:57:06 1D sprawl 01:57:21 And such. 01:57:55 http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb51dc73f8ee1ac2365c692ca981dcc2/tumblr_mnbb9ivnPE1r0ix14o1_500.jpg 01:58:16 clever 01:58:29 ? 01:58:51 (not clever) 01:59:08 (ah) 01:59:15 moffett field has a light rail connection 02:01:35 Hmm, maybe I just need to send this by mail. 02:01:39 Oh well. 02:01:53 I need to print out a form. :-( 02:02:01 * shachaf doesn't have a printer. 02:03:28 hmm this sign says "NO BIKES ALLOWED INSIDE" 02:03:35 http://local.fedex.com/ca/east-palo-alto/ 02:03:52 Yep. 02:04:01 or, bluff your way into a computer lab at stanford? 02:04:09 i hear grad students will do anything for free food 02:04:21 One time I went to one of those places to have a thing scanned. 02:04:38 then i left the original behind "woops" 02:05:32 and it had my social security number on it "double woops" 02:05:46 "all sorts of woopses that day" 02:06:09 oops :( 02:10:13 Maybe I can go to the consulate on Friday and have them print it. 02:10:49 Sgeo_: Come on. 02:11:00 shachaf, I hate you 02:11:13 (Assuming that you were joking about it not being... oh... dammit\ 02:11:27 I confused edwardk and ekmet... wait... I'm still confused 02:12:32 Sgeo_: If you address me with " ::" I won't tell you the answer. 02:14:30 the ad-dressing of chafs 02:14:46 @nixon is a cat a dog? 02:14:46 Solutions are not the answer. 02:15:02 @nixon nixon nixon 02:15:02 I've never canceled a subscription to a newspaper because of bad cartoons or editorials. If that were the case, I wouldn't have any newspapers or magazines to read. 02:17:01 shachaf: Ok. What's the answer? 02:17:09 What's the question? 02:17:21 shachaf: Who wrote the Pong example for lens? 02:17:24 haasn 02:17:26 http://www.marriedtothesea.com/052313/goddamned-government.gif 02:18:17 marriedtothekmsea.com 02:18:32 hunt ducks with a quad .50 cal 02:20:17 I use one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AW50 02:20:25 shotguns are for weaklings 02:21:36 only problem is that there isn't much of the duck left 02:22:05 copumpkin: wasn't that the goal in the first place 02:22:13 Iwas hoping to eat it 02:22:59 AW50? i prefer AN602 for my ducks 02:24:00 i use one of those ABM lasers, cooks 'em before they hit the ground 02:24:03 lol 02:24:18 apparently the Predator C / Avenger has one of those o_O 02:24:25 drone vs. ballistic missile 02:25:03 we were watching this promo video earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0dHKWjXn-E 02:25:32 if you've been on the fence about buying an Avenger combat UAV, this will surely change your mind 02:25:44 I was actualy considering it 02:25:46 do they take bitcoin? 02:25:57 one hopes 02:26:42 I think most drones are pretty slow, but in theory you could make one that goes Mach 3+ and is capable of insane dogfighting maneuvers 02:26:54 because you don't have to worry about killing a human with acceleration 02:26:58 anyway that would be cool 02:27:09 probably not that useful in combat 02:27:48 how often do we actually dogfight these days 02:28:08 approximately never 02:28:14 yeah 02:28:17 main goal of those big-ass fighters is to stroke powerful generals' manliness boners 02:28:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUE-cTsaK6g 02:28:31 well they are mostly fighter-bombers these days 02:28:49 so you can shoot down a dozen migs as you bomb those SAM sites 02:29:25 tangos on your six 02:30:35 kmc: that's a promotional video for a computer game right 02:30:40 no 02:30:53 well Modern Warfare is a computer game 02:31:11 I've always wanted attrition tolerance 02:31:14 i wonder if they're actually worried about ballistic missile launchers like that 02:31:33 :'( 02:31:34 now this is a real wartime maneuver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOaGhE_sejI 02:31:35 Bike: I think so 02:32:02 in syria the weapons mostly seem to be completely psychotic, like slingshots, air-to-air missiles being used as ground artillery, or something called a "hell cannon" which is apparently made out of a tractor and a lack of safety 02:32:10 and trebuchets 02:32:15 yes 02:33:05 copumpkin: fantastic. 02:33:14 weapons of the 21st century: twitter, windows viruses, trebuchets 02:33:54 i read an interview with some islamic militia guys today and they mentioned that theyw ere missing various body parts, from unsafe weapons assembly rather than combat 02:34:43 copumpkin: also i can't see that game without thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h62DArOGbj8 02:34:53 possibly because i haven't played it and only know about games from the tubes. 02:35:44 i guess those are S-300 ballistic missile systems 02:36:08 er no that's a SAM not a ballistic missile 02:36:27 dunno 02:36:45 oh, those were the ones a russian 747 supposely got shot by 02:36:54 russian... whatever. passenger plane 02:36:56 fuck technology 02:37:15 S-400 Triumf 02:37:34 that video has good youtube comments 02:38:06 Bike: nice 02:38:36 also see "very fun", for a few jihad jeeps 02:43:02 and uh jihad jets 02:43:38 Bashir can be DUMB sometimes 02:44:17 thanks for that being some nerd thing and not bashar 02:47:03 what if i run out of rum 02:47:33 is rum good 02:47:47 if i like rum raisin ice cream will i like rum 02:48:53 probably not 02:52:56 of the various boozes, rum is not my favorite 02:53:10 but I do like rum raisin 02:53:17 drinking rum and ginger ale atm 02:53:41 What's copumpkin's favourite? 02:53:48 hmm 02:54:08 well in the past couple of years, my gf's parent try to emboozen me when I go visit 02:54:13 and that's wuliangye and moutai 02:54:28 two chinese liquors that are strong and interesting in my opinion 02:54:31 she hates them 02:54:39 wuliangye in particular is very good 02:54:47 otherwise, I don't mind tequila too much 03:38:49 current status: playing SimTower in Wine in Xephyr 03:39:01 amazingly SimTower doesn't play well with Xmonad 03:39:31 kmc: You should make kmcwm! 03:39:34 * shachaf would use that. 03:39:54 wmcallister 03:40:48 Wm. Callister 03:41:08 my WM will have a special mode for SimTower 03:42:16 are you talking about that windows 95 allocator thing 03:45:17 welp it crashes when i try to save 03:50:32 @ty (.) 03:50:33 (b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c 03:51:13 @ty flip 03:51:14 (a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c 03:51:18 @ty (++) 03:51:19 [a] -> [a] -> [a] 03:51:54 kmc: ☝ 03:52:29 yes 03:59:40 good 04:20:25 -!- kmc has set topic: Too weird to live, and too rare to die. | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | I vote TYHJÄ.. 04:24:53 TYHJÄ. means "EMPTY."? 04:25:20 Maybe instead of uploading to youtube 04:25:25 I could play with icecast a little bit 04:25:56 Hmm, it's mp3 streaming? 04:25:57 meh 04:28:46 yes 04:29:24 hmmmmmmmmm do i have any kimchi 04:29:30 * Sgeo_ wonders if it would be possible to have fluidsynth directly output to icecast, or whether I need files 04:30:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Ramyun so good 04:31:47 the 04:31:47 eighth heavenly stem 04:35:15 fluidsynth: warning: Ignoring sample *KPianoB5: can't use ROM samples 04:44:11 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to dog. 04:44:23 -!- dog has changed nick to copumpkin. 04:48:44 rum status: demolished 04:49:23 kmc is victorious once again 04:52:17 he who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man 05:02:11 http://www.youtube.com/user/danooct1/videos fantastic. 05:53:54 -!- mnoqy has joined. 05:54:14 `WeLcOmE mnoqy 05:54:17 MnOqY: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) 05:54:23 hi 05:54:40 mnoqy: you bet everything on hi, don't you 05:54:46 what if hi became illegal 05:54:54 hello 05:54:59 there we go 05:55:00 diversify 05:55:06 learn some other greetings 05:58:25 i also know "hey" but i m not so good with "sup" 05:59:07 sup isn't a greeting mnoqy 05:59:12 it's a command to someone to eat supper 05:59:24 it's a good one to have "in your vocabulary" but not a greeting 05:59:33 shachaf i dont think you ve been around people very much 05:59:52 * shachaf . o O ( yes i have! ) 06:00:19 im also not a "how you doing??" or "howdy" guy 06:00:56 (THAT'S A SUPER MEGA COMICS THING BTW REMEMBER WHEN ALLY DID THAT IT WAS GR8) 06:01:04 :-) 06:01:13 mnoqy: those are both questions mnoqy. you only say them when you want to know how someone is doing 06:01:43 there's also the problem where "sup" means "what's up???" 06:02:05 uh, no, that's "'sup" with ' get it right 06:02:27 but here are some other good greetings: 06:02:29 "greetings!" 06:02:36 "ahoy" 06:02:46 "tomato" 06:02:53 "saluatations" 06:02:55 "hola" 06:03:16 wait, i think "salutations" is a fruit 06:03:44 i might be able to get into "greetings".....not "ahoy"...............not "tomato"..."salutations" is a bit awkward..................im not an "hola" or "aloha" guy 06:05:41 mnoqy: but what about "holachaf" 06:05:50 not everyone is shachaf, shachaf 06:05:55 uh 06:05:56 false 06:06:11 shachaf i dont think you ve been around people very much 06:06:24 mnoqy i've been around all people 06:06:38 btw i don t think you ve been around people very much either 06:06:52 yeah...... 06:07:00 "how does that feel, a taste of your own people medicine" 06:09:18 -!- comex has changed nick to TwilightSparkle. 06:09:29 -!- TwilightSparkle has changed nick to TwilightSparkle_. 06:24:56 TwilightSparkle_: I thought that was Gregor's nick! 06:25:34 just borrowing it 06:26:01 Oh, it's a character from that show. 06:26:05 -!- TwilightSparkle_ has changed nick to comex. 06:33:52 this is a strange channel w/ strange people 06:34:02 it's why i feel so comfortable here <3 06:34:20 am i a strange people 06:34:29 maybe 06:39:30 People are strange when you're a stranger. 06:40:17 A brown bird has made a nest on our window sill. 06:40:37 Don't be a stranger, fizzie. 06:42:22 i like birds 06:42:26 do you know what kind it is 06:43:41 I wonder if I'd react to hearing 'Sgeo' IRL the same way I react to hearing '' IRL 06:44:56 i don't know your "irl name" 06:45:05 i know "irl names" for........ shachaf and Taneb 06:45:08 and elliott 06:45:09 and me 06:45:19 elliott hird? 06:45:29 unless that's not the real name.............. 06:45:36 hird's not unix 06:45:59 mnoqy: is William Parker an actual name..... 06:47:30 one time i called a guy i knew from real life but also online by his handle in public. how embarssing 06:47:47 at MIT it is v. common to call people by their Athena usernames 06:47:57 even among non-computery people 06:48:01 yeah but i wasn't at MIT, see. 06:48:06 welp 06:48:34 Bike has a billion usernames 06:48:41 em eye tea 06:49:03 do any of you know about long-distance moving 06:49:13 i think i should use such as pods.com or doortodoor.com 06:49:15 um 06:49:21 does WA->.il count 06:49:23 pack up my stuff, send it to storage, then i can call for it when I find a new apt 06:49:25 or is that too long distance 06:49:28 shachaf: that is a long distance 06:49:34 did you have stuff to be moved 06:49:40 My father did. 06:49:58 did you like living in .il 06:50:12 i tend to like living in general 06:50:21 wherever i happen to be 06:50:37 good 06:50:45 does thov love life? then do not sqvander time 06:58:34 I don't know birds. 06:58:42 But I took a picture of it. 06:58:47 link? 06:59:02 Er, well, okay, I'll get it out of the camera. 07:02:26 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130525-birdie.jpg 07:05:03 hm, i don't know what kind of bird that is 07:05:27 I have a "Finland's birds" multimedia CD-ROM thing, maybe that'd know. 07:05:47 (I'm called "fizzie" quite a lot in public, e.g. by my wife's family, even though they don't do IRC.) 07:06:04 Is it pronounced Finnishly? 07:06:10 Yes. 07:06:30 FIZ-zi-eh? 07:07:13 fizzie: huh. 07:07:19 also you're married? cool 07:07:36 I'm not sure I can say. If you type "fizzie" into translate.google.com, set source language to Finnish, and click on the speaker icon, what comes out sounds pretty close to a natural Finnish pronounciation of it. 07:07:55 Oh. 07:08:02 (I think they've improved the Finnish synthesis recently, it used to be kinda bad.) 07:08:26 That's what I was thinking except for the zz turning into tss or so. 07:08:48 finnish pronunciation is so good 07:08:49 We don't have a native voiced 'z', which probably explains that. 07:09:19 We don't? :-( 07:10:04 Well, *you* might. 07:10:36 Also we think it might be a female blackbird of some subspecies or another, some of those pictures look pretty similar to it. 07:10:57 "It is also called Eurasian Blackbird (especially in North America, to distinguish it from the unrelated New World blackbirds) --" I mean that kind of blackbird. 07:11:16 (There's certainly enough of those around here.) 07:11:55 (Apparently it's only the males that are black.) 07:16:25 :( my intrusive thoughts are now actually blocking out normal, unrelated thoughts 07:16:31 This is kind of scar 07:16:32 scary 07:16:44 that's bad 07:16:55 is it from not sleeping? 07:17:25 I've been getting some sleep each night, but possibly not enough 07:18:43 how much? 07:19:06 Maybe 5 hours a night 07:19:55 that's not enough, long term 07:20:14 Going to get some sleep this weekend 07:20:27 And maybe try to find dinner foods that are faster to prepare/consume 07:22:44 http://mchankins.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/still-not-significant-2/ fucking fantastic 07:27:12 mnoqy: do you know any cofree things 07:27:25 mnoqy: in haskell (or othe rplaces i gues.....) 07:28:34 not really no..........is there a formulation in terms of adjunctions like with free things because imo thats the nicest formulation of free things its so great 07:29:05 cofree means right adjoint to a forgetful functor 07:29:13 just like free means left adjoint to a forgetful functor 07:29:26 i don't even know any other formulations.....help 07:29:41 "dual of free" 07:30:06 well theres an "easy" formulation if you take the adjunctiony version and write it out explicitly 07:30:38 well i meant something that would give me a bit of insight........................i don t kno w 07:31:12 a h 07:31:16 anyway what are some cofree things 07:31:21 what does cofree "truly mean" 07:31:31 mushrooms 07:31:31 cofree comonads are one thing what are other things 07:32:43 i hear cofree coalgebras are a thing 07:33:06 i love things 07:33:38 i like mushrooms 07:34:05 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bIPdYcq3LMw/T9hPOeF63YI/AAAAAAAADxg/NUByztXqJPI/s1600/IMG_9778.jpg 07:34:45 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/149890243_d06208bb80.jpg 07:35:41 You know how you look for a picture with Google Images and you spend the extra effort to find a picture that doesn't say what it is in the URL so that people have to go to it? 07:35:56 s/go to/look at/ 07:46:34 http://imgur.com/rQZPg0R.jpg 07:46:55 Too much work. 08:00:57 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 08:01:33 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:25:37 -!- myname has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:32:15 i am become death, the destroyer of rum 08:32:54 did you destroy some more rum 08:33:01 haven't you had enough rumdestruction for one day 08:33:06 i destroyed all the rum in the house 08:33:07 i guess it's tomorrow now 08:33:22 tomorrow never knows 08:41:04 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:42:47 Taneb 08:42:51 well well well 08:42:56 Hi 08:43:12 Went as predicted yesterday: didn't get in. (Plus I think I remembered the PIN code halfway on the way back, to add insult to injury.) 08:56:54 shachaf, was that triplicate welling connected with my decision to learn Agda? 08:57:21 no 08:57:29 You've decided to learn Agda? 08:57:34 Good! 08:57:40 You should teach me when you're done. 08:57:48 Yeah, that's why I mentioned it in #haskell and you responded 08:58:05 Is the #haskell shachaf a different shachaf to the #esoteric shachaf? 08:58:25 I was just greeting you in here. 08:58:31 I'm not sure if they're different. 08:58:37 I guess they are. 08:58:55 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:05:11 -!- myname has joined. 09:39:21 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:52:38 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 10:03:44 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:09:19 -!- carado has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:09:25 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 10:09:33 -!- carado has joined. 10:16:11 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 10:21:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:28:02 `quotes shachaf 10:28:07 531) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 572) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 606) VMS Mosaic? I hope that's no 10:28:15 @quote shachaf 10:28:15 shachaf says: SIKP, the cheap knockoff book that uses the less-known programming language "skeem" 10:28:24 `delquote 572 10:28:29 ​*poof* Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. 10:28:41 Is GNU tar turing-complete? 10:28:47 taring-complete 10:29:03 @quote Jafet 10:29:03 Jafet says: unsafeCoerce takes any argument. AND IT WINS THAT ARGUMENT. 10:29:08 `quotes Jafet 10:29:10 812) I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX \ 837) The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt \ 940) This position is asking for "- Extensive experience with API" You're just not qualified, kid. \ 1033) Is there a debian package 10:34:34 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:37:16 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:50:42 -!- mnoqy has joined. 10:58:46 mnoqy: any progress on becoming a huggier person 11:02:01 -!- Taneb has joined. 11:06:37 um 11:12:53 mnoqy: maybe start by hugging some trees 11:13:10 "im on your side here" 11:24:54 -!- nooodl has joined. 11:51:06 -!- constant has quit (Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero). 12:01:18 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 12:22:52 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:38:19 -!- cpressey has joined. 12:39:44 hello 12:39:49 Hi, cpressey 12:52:26 A huger person. 12:53:50 You can start becoming a huger person by eating some trees. 12:59:28 imo you'd have to be pretty huge already to eat a tree 13:01:39 mnoqy, what do you think bonsai is for 13:02:01 Eating bonsai trees is the first step on the path to being a huger person 13:03:06 Ah Yes 13:18:29 ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT http://catseye.tc/wsj.html PLEASE READ as it concerns #esoteric THIS MEANS YOU yes you there reading the logs, i'm talking to you 13:22:26 I like the zzo38 reference. A zzo38 review in the WSJ would be especially surreal. 13:22:52 Possibly his conditions would be even more bizarre, though. 13:23:13 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:23:54 The... Wall Street Journal? 13:26:53 By WWF do you mean the pandas or the wrestlers 13:26:56 Or both 13:27:00 Panda wrestlers 13:27:39 Unexpected bonus point: speech recognizers will perhaps start to understand esolangs better. (WSJ is a popular corpus.) 13:28:02 thanks wsj 13:29:34 zzo38 interviewed for WSJ 13:29:40 my head a splode of the thought 13:30:59 Taneb: I meant professional wrestling but... yeah, i'm out of touch, didn't they have to reacronymize it or something... i'll go look 13:31:09 Yeah, it's WWE now 13:31:26 thanks. i'll change that. 13:44:03 zzo38 + wsj = all kinds of awesome but it's difficult contacting him on short notice (though i do notice he's started a gopherized mirror of StackOverflow... fascinating.) has he dropped by here recently? 13:44:34 `seen zzo38 13:44:39 2013-05-21 04:58:13: Does GCC have a mode to avoid warnings related to redundancy if they are made up by macros? 13:45:01 cpressey, was HackEgo here when you were around last? 13:46:08 Taneb: yes, and EgoBot too, and lambdabot was in negotiations for being in here 13:46:18 but i never remember what they're capable of 13:46:20 lambdabot has been here a while now 13:46:33 EgoBot has a whole load of esoteric language interpreters 13:46:52 HackEgo is pretty much a Linux computer with access to the channel's logs 13:47:07 And lambdabot is for doing Haskell stuff, mainly 13:47:22 Have you seen fungot? 13:47:22 Taneb: formatting and weight-balanced trees). x would reduce to 0 13:47:37 `quotes cpressey 13:47:39 108) * Phantom_Hoover wonders where the size of the compiled Linux kernel comes from. To comply with the GFDL, there's a copy of Wikipedia in there. \ 117) cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked That's where you have a flexible kayak that bobs and weaves between the rocks as it p 13:48:02 `pastequotes cpressey 13:48:09 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29632 13:49:21 `pastequotes Taneb 13:49:27 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25328 13:50:33 ...I really do say a lot of stupid things 13:51:50 fungot: Have you seen cpressey? 13:51:51 fizzie: pretty interesting. will go there now. shopping 13:52:09 `pastequotes Ngevd 13:52:14 `pastequotes atriq 13:52:15 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3268 13:52:18 They are also me :( 13:52:20 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8841 13:53:13 ... 13:53:15 `quote atriq 13:53:17 No output. 13:53:28 Have /all/ the atriq quotes been deleted? 13:53:38 -!- Taneb has changed nick to atriq. 13:53:44 Time to say some stupid things! 13:55:40 I even had a bot in here sporadically once. Oh, it was terrible. Actually, there were two of them. One was written in Lua and the other one was written in R. 13:55:54 I once wrote a bot in Piet 13:55:57 It... 13:56:00 was the worst bot 13:56:07 On a good day, it managed to connect 13:56:13 This is a channel of bots. 13:56:20 just barfed lines and coloured rectangles around, hey? 13:59:14 cpressey: omg hi 13:59:28 elliott: omg omg omg HELLO 13:59:40 nice I made a 2 omg profit 14:00:12 no wonder you can't renew your domains, giving away your wealth so freely 14:00:48 you hit the patch where it "expired on Jan 1 1970" did you 14:02:40 some kind of imbroglio between my registrar and the .tc bosses... i still don't know the full story 14:02:41 it's back up now, though, and you should read this: http://catseye.tc/wsj.html 14:03:02 my agents dutifully notified me of this link yes 14:05:02 update: i got as far as "It should be held on IRC" before laughing 14:09:06 don't WSJ have a lot of web-only blogspammy type stuff nowadays? i can't quite imagine an article on esolangs actually ending up in the print version 14:10:04 i can only imagine it's a hoax or they don't know what they're doing sooo 14:10:19 well obviously they don't know what they're doing 14:10:27 but how much do they not know what they're doing 14:10:38 a lot 14:10:48 i assume the blogspammy stuff <-> they don't quite know what they're doing 14:11:06 my unicode-fu for bi-implication symbol fails me 14:11:12 If I had a news thingy, I would totally interview all the obscure microcultures I could 14:11:49 cpressey: i was getting all ready to show off my compose key powers but then i ended up with ←> 14:12:04 a lovably pathetic rendition 14:12:12 ⋄ 14:12:31 «—» 14:14:04 i was actually reading HN regularly for a while there a few months ago. from context, i gather the interest is an indirect byproduct of "President Obama says Everyone Must Learn to Code" 14:14:39 truly, nobody has done more for the esolangs community than obama 14:15:01 so how deep-rooted is this cluelessness 14:17:08 i hesitate to make an estimate 14:17:24 cpressey: so you *are* going to tell them that your IRC nick is "fungot", right 14:17:25 elliott: i launch it via the help menus since the help thinks the program in such a way as to integrate properly with multithreading in scheme48. 14:22:03 elliott: oh yes absolutely! 14:22:41 disappointing: no WSJ emails in my spam box 14:23:59 mnoqy: here's an estimate: will.i.am, Chris Bosh, Ashton Kucher, Snoop Dogg, Enrique Iglesias. http://www.code.org/ 14:24:51 also Hilary Mason, Data Scientist, believes technology should give us all superpowers hth 14:25:30 you've picked up the hth thing already? 14:25:45 apparently. 14:25:46 this has to be a joke right 14:26:49 better teach the kids brainfuck i guess 14:28:02 -!- root has joined. 14:28:26 -!- root has changed nick to Guest91468. 14:28:44 -!- Guest91468 has changed nick to variable. 14:28:57 cpressey: have you been updated on all the other hilarious #esoteric memes, like monoids jokes, and uhhh mnoqy what else has there been 14:29:14 -!- variable has changed nick to Guest79742. 14:30:01 "Waiter, there's a monoid in my soup!" you mean like that? 14:30:17 no, it goes like this: 14:30:19 i love monoids 14:30:21 they are so easy 14:30:39 you can then substitute other things in place of "monoids", refer to things being easy by calling them "monoidal", etc.; for more information ask shachaf hth 14:30:56 or zzo. he might have a more enlightening perspective 14:32:06 hm what else is there 14:32:38 mnoqy: was cpressey around for the whole "hi monqy" thing? i forget completely 14:32:55 starting to seem like this channel has to be the least funny place in the universe 14:32:56 i think i;ve only seen cpressey in here once before so probably not 14:33:32 There was the "itidus learns lambda calculus" stuff 14:33:40 RIP 14:34:15 i think cpressey would have liked itidus 14:34:16 i miss itidus 14:34:53 There's Phantom_Hoover's Tumblr 14:34:58 was cpressey around when shachaf was Really Weird? that has to be a joke 14:35:10 Is that an #esoteric joke? 14:35:37 I don't recall any of these nicks with any certainty: itidus, mnoqy, atriq 14:35:57 you've missed out on so much *exciting culture* 14:36:06 cpressey, itidus20/21 was a regular on here for a bit 14:36:17 `pastequotes itidus 14:36:20 `pastequotes monqy|mnoqy 14:36:23 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13621 14:36:25 He would share details of his life and ideas he had, which were all really crazy 14:36:28 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3154 14:36:36 And he really struggled with learning lambda calculus 14:36:51 i asked Phantom_Hoover yesterday if i should be reading his tumblr but he mightve missed that. i searched, but found no tumblr that i could identify as his, unless he's all into cosplay now or something 14:37:02 I'm Taneb, and also Ngevd, I think you left just as I arrived 14:37:09 cpressey, phantom-hoover.tumblr.com 14:37:23 `pastelogs Taneb 14:37:27 trust a web search for "phantom hoover tumblr" to miss that 14:37:49 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10952 14:37:53 Phantom_Hoover doesn't update his Tumblr very often 14:38:04 2010-09-06.txt:20:41:21: hi Taneb 14:38:05 has phantom_hoover ever updated his tumblr 14:38:15 '“Brainfuck$”. Kill me now.' yep, that's PH 14:38:31 elliott, shall I tell cpressey the secret? 14:38:47 Hang on 14:38:51 That Taneb can't have been me 14:38:54 i dunno this is pretty great 14:39:08 `quote brainfuck$ 14:39:10 No output. 14:39:16 `quote ^brainfuck 14:39:18 No output. 14:39:33 atriq: were you Ngevd before Taneb? I *may* have a fuzzy recollection of that nick 14:39:42 cpressey, no 14:40:15 hm, ok... they all look the same after a while anyway letterslettersletters 14:40:31 It went Taneb -> Ngevd -> atriq -> Taneb (roughly) 14:41:02 Anyway... 14:41:39 maybe ZOMGMODULES was around at the same time as Ngevd 14:42:22 cpressey = cpressey/catseye/ZOMGMODULES and (exceedingly rarely) DrNinja 14:42:28 bbiab, i have to run to the store 14:53:46 cpressey: also, i looked at your github when your site broke in case you'd done a _why and found toolshelf and wondered if you knew of GNU™ Stow™ or Nix which do similar things (Stow in particular) and are both "cross-platform" (although Stow is lighter-weight for that) 14:56:05 there is also XStow with more X 14:56:13 but no X. 15:17:53 -!- atriq has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 15:18:17 elliott: no, i did not know of stow is it really trademarked 15:18:49 cpressey: I hope so 15:18:55 i'd'a thought you'd maybe be more pleased that i forked yaedit for my own awful purposes 15:19:03 since i have you to blame for knowing about it 15:19:11 oh I didn't even notice that 15:19:25 I'm the worst, evidently 15:19:50 cpressey: speaking of _why did you see his new printer spool/book??? 15:20:35 i have not actually seen the end result of it, but yes, i saw it... transpire 15:21:18 i was reading HN regularly at that point, you see 15:21:28 the book is very good. https://github.com/steveklabnik/CLOSURE has all the stuff in a less printer-requiring format if you're ever interested 15:21:35 cpressey: my condolences on that matter, also 15:22:05 thank you. it was quite traumatizing. 15:22:34 This. How *dare* they. 15:22:44 cpressey: oh i literally just now remembered i saw the github issue! 15:22:45 on the repo 15:22:56 that you opened 15:23:04 my memory is awful :( 15:23:06 yeah don't tell anyone about my secret career as a rap artist ok? 15:23:44 your secret is safe with me, everyone in this channel, and WSJ journalists who look at the logs 15:23:53 i actually think that was three months of HN-reading blowing off in an oblique was 15:24:05 *way 15:24:49 so what's this secret atriq wanted to tell me? 15:25:13 are you sure you want to know? it might "ruin the magic"!! 15:25:25 did somebody say secret 15:25:28 i have to imagine it's pretty monoidal (am i doing it right??) 15:25:34 not that secret, mnoqy 15:25:43 cpressey: i give it 6/10 15:27:49 cpressey: so how is befunge-113 [laugh track] 15:28:08 oh now i remember, i was going to read CLOSURE.pdf except us/them had bw/traffic issues and i never got around to it 15:28:41 elliott: ... 15:28:52 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 15:29:15 uh 15:29:22 esolangs.org is a parked page 15:29:27 all of a sudden 15:29:28 nice 15:29:34 uh-oh 15:29:46 guess i get to send an email off 15:29:49 yeah, ok, 20 year anniversary, ha ha, yeah, well, poo, i'm probably semi-retired at this point 15:29:58 \o/ 15:30:09 wow jeez befunge is 20 years old 15:30:56 ok so the good news: esolangs.org is still owned by the person it's meant to be owned by 15:31:38 but it's, uh, expired? 15:31:41 and in the auto-renew period or something? 15:31:57 cpressey is this your revenge for me mentioning befunge 15:33:19 please say it expired on Jan 1 1970 15:33:57 apparently 24-May-2014 19:21:16 UTC 15:34:00 then i can surmise some kind of miasma-transference from my own domain-name-stability-curse 15:34:03 which is close enough to 1970, geologically speaking 15:34:19 OH that's much better 15:34:40 oh god, every time I go to send an email I'm reminded of gmail's awful new compose interface 15:35:10 I dispute 'awful' 15:35:17 i don't 15:35:37 mm, have you run into the "you sent it but it's still a draft too" bug yet? 15:35:40 i refuse to believe there is a single reason to make it a tiny little window in the bottom-right of the screen 15:37:17 well, you could always complain to Google, i hear their customer service is par none 15:38:33 but complaining to #esoteric is so much more satisfying! 15:41:06 actually i'm not sure "par none" is any kind of recognizable english idiom but CLOSURE.pdf is taking all my bandwidth so i can't ask the internet what it thinks about it 15:41:41 @google par none 15:41:42 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2451 15:41:42 Title: Language Log » Par none 15:41:48 the solution is to piggy-back off IRC, naturally 15:41:52 `fetch http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2451 15:41:56 2013-05-25 15:41:55 URL:http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2451 [86807] -> "index.html?p=2451" [1] 15:42:05 `run w3m -dump 'index.html?p=2451' 15:42:06 bash: w3m: command not found 15:42:25 `run lynx -dump 'index.html?p=2451' 15:42:27 ​ \ Configuration file "/etc/lynx-cur/lynx.cfg" is not available. 15:42:33 :( 15:42:48 You should only irc on irc. 15:43:24 Phantom_Hoover: apparently it is a mangling of "bar none" 15:43:32 what is 15:43:35 that's ok i can just imagine its a page on common misuse of english which explains it's probably a mix of "bar none" and "par excellence" 15:43:51 Phantom_Hoover: hi you are involved in the conversation now 15:44:01 cool 15:44:16 by Phantom_Hoover i meant cpressey 15:44:25 but i guess Phantom_Hoover can tell cpressey the secret of his tumblr now! 15:44:35 "exersize" what the FUCK 15:44:44 cpressey: well it's actually a language log post 15:44:54 `run rm 'index.html?p=2451' 15:44:57 No output. 15:45:11 @tell Taneb I want to RIP OUT MY OWN PANCREAS for writing 'exersize' on my tumblr 15:45:12 Consider it noted. 15:45:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:45:47 well. there you go. 15:46:05 and now i shall never know 15:46:22 on the contrary, i think he just said it all 15:46:24 unless, uh, that 'exersize' thing was it 15:46:54 man, you also missed so many bans! even PH was banned! missing. out. 15:47:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:48:11 Phantom_Hoover: was that a dramatic /quit 15:48:24 yes 15:48:27 Sam Hughes made boolfuck? 15:48:39 i was going to pull my own pancreas out but then i had a moment of self-doubt 15:48:56 PH, I can assure you that nobody here would miss your pancreas 15:48:59 i thought, "was i really myself when i made that misspelling" 15:49:36 elliott, esolangs.org does not seem to be pointing to the wiki 15:50:17 Sgeo_: i had to sell it to godaddy for drug money 15:50:26 sorry 15:51:10 which drugs 15:51:46 um 15:51:47 ask kmc 15:52:08 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:52:28 Phantom_Hoover: http://catseye.tc/wsj.html you should read if you haven't 15:52:41 & hi Sgeo_ 15:53:00 Hi cpressey 15:53:14 I think people were recently talking about some language whose pages were down 15:54:10 -!- Koen_ has joined. 15:54:12 if it was on my site then it was but should no longer be 15:54:34 and now the problem has quantum-tunneled to esolangs.org 15:54:58 does anyone know how domain transfers work 15:54:58 -!- Koen_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:54:59 -!- Guest79742 has changed nick to variable. 15:55:00 Just In Case 15:55:07 -!- variable has quit (Changing host). 15:55:07 -!- variable has joined. 15:55:19 -!- Koen_ has joined. 15:55:52 in theory, you get some kind of code from registrar #1, then you ask registrar #2 to transfer the domain to themselves, and you give them the code 15:55:58 as for the technicals i haven't the foggiest 15:56:16 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 15:56:57 well we will see what the domain owner sez 15:57:30 Phantom_Hoover: what did you do to get banned? 15:57:38 i needs mah drama fix 15:58:25 i may have slightly exaggerated the duration of the ban by omission 16:02:14 cpressey: also i think i liked, uh, that new language of yours 16:02:18 one of 'em anyway 16:02:49 "I'm sure you know which language I'm talking about. I don't." 16:08:38 I have a backlog of languages stuck in a "i can't call this finished and i can't finish it" state. the last one I finished was called... heh i don't remember. one sec 16:09:12 "Exanoke" which was an honest typo for "example" that i held onto 16:09:36 not terribly terribly interesting but kind of cute if you like primitive recursion 16:10:18 oh I remember that one 16:10:20 I liked it 16:10:39 since then i've been coding in JS in an attempt to... make shitty HTML5 implementations of esolangs 16:11:01 I could mumble some things about type theory and eliminators and catamorphisms and structural recursion and higher-order Ackermann and what not, but they would be mumbly 16:13:11 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]). 16:13:22 -!- Frooxius has joined. 16:15:24 oh hey, esolangs.org fixed itself. 16:15:34 merry christmas 16:15:35 \o/ 16:17:25 I wonder how you have to restrict eliminators to get strict primitive recursion... 16:18:41 this is reminding me of the fact that there are functions that grow slower than any computable function and that scares me :( 16:19:02 none of that mumbly catamorphism stuff would apply to http://catseye.tc/node/Cyclobots%20%28HTML5%29.html -- you'd have to ask oklopol to do gnarly symbolic dynamics things to answer questions like why does it always fall into a cloverleaf pattern and can you predict how many "leaves" it'll have 16:19:09 wait what 16:19:29 i... assume they are... uncomputable 16:20:16 cpressey: yes 16:20:34 cpressey: because imagine 1 - 1/BusyBeaver(x) or whatever 16:20:37 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:20:42 yeah yeah i think i see 16:20:51 isn't it awful 16:22:09 well yes. what's that quote by von Neumann? "In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." 16:22:12 cpressey: that cyclobots thing (which in fact I had seen before) reminds me of boids 16:23:05 gah, you always know about one more thing 16:23:28 it's my curse 16:24:57 you're the inductive step of things 16:25:05 if it's any consolation I don't even know boids's rules! 16:25:20 cpressey: bringing it back round to structural recursion!!! 16:27:42 ftw 16:27:55 trying to make some kind of fixpoint joke out of that but my head is starting to hurt 16:28:07 What is this cyclobots thing? 16:28:26 there is an about button in the corner 16:28:48 alt. cpressey's memetic transfer device that he's using to control us all 16:28:51 which should probably be more informative, but there's a link to the main entry from it 16:29:26 They've made a figure 8 16:30:32 -!- alejandra has joined. 16:31:03 cpressey: so was befunge originally implemented in visual basic?? 16:31:15 -!- alejandra has left. 16:31:27 yeah, take that, alejandra 16:32:22 elliott: no, befunge was C from the start -- it's from the amiga era 16:33:18 goes without saying, but i'll say it anyway: i only started doing anything in VB after I got a Windows PC 16:33:29 Windows 3.1!! woo!! 16:33:33 visual basic for the amiga sounds exciting 16:33:44 how long am I allowed to stare at the cyclobots? 16:33:47 cpressey: my first PC was windows 3.1 too!! megacorp product buddies 16:33:58 did you ever write anything in Wouter's E? 16:34:51 elliott, how the hell was your first PC Windows 3.1? I swear you were only born in '95 16:34:56 Koen_: until you successfully absorb the hypnomessage to transfer all your bitcoins to me 16:35:11 elliott: sadly, no E 16:35:16 eh, I don't even know what a bitcoin is 16:35:17 Taneb: my parents were poor 16:35:39 My first PC is right here, and it has Windows 98 SE installed 16:35:39 Koen_: damn. ok, stare as long as you like then :) 16:35:59 I don't know if I ever used 3.1 16:36:04 I've used DOS definitely 16:36:05 I was expecting the cyclobots would eventually collapse but those are apparently making a larger and larger shape 16:36:16 i have some fraction of a bitcoin but i have no idea where it is so i cannot help make cpressey bitrich 16:36:20 There was one game in particular for DOS that I remember 16:36:56 someone at MIT or CMU should start a rumor about a Bitcoin club that mined 10,000 Bitcoins two years ago and stashed them in a hidden location on campus 16:37:55 "mining Bitcoins" reminds me of BYONDimes 16:38:03 what is that 16:38:15 why would you ask 16:38:48 Micropayment thing that used to be used by BYOND 16:38:50 how do they choose who to follow? I thought it was random but they appear to always end a making a perfect cycle 16:39:06 Could have sworn they had a [fictional] backstory 16:43:13 "What are BYONDimes? How do I get them? 16:43:14 BYONDimes were part of an e-commerce system that was built into BYOND. Unfortunately we had to remove the system because of widespread abuse." 16:43:21 I still want to find their backstory dammit 16:44:27 I like this APL implementation of Deadfish. cpressey has been one-upped 16:44:41 'Unfortunately we had to remove the system because of widespread abuse.' 16:44:46 who could have possibly predicted this 16:45:19 Koen_: they choose randomly, once, at the start (or when you click Revolution) and it, well, decays into a cycle 16:46:17 yeah but I mean it's not completely random, it's already a cycle when the choose 16:46:35 there are no two bots choosing the same bot to follow, or no independant cycles 16:46:41 well it's a shuffle (like a deck of cards) if that's what you mean, yes 16:46:52 right 16:47:02 I didn't realize it was so simple 16:47:10 what are you playing with? 16:49:51 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]). 16:50:02 -!- Frooxius has joined. 16:50:06 kmc: http://catseye.tc/node/Cyclobots%20%28HTML5%29.html 16:50:16 cpressey: btw these space-filled URLs... 16:51:16 neat 16:52:32 so the graph of following is a cycle? 16:53:04 elliott: yeah yeah I'll... do something more mediawikiish at some point 16:53:54 cpressey: ok listen. you have to promise me to never describe something positive as "mediawikiish" again 16:55:05 now i want to see 100,000 cyclobots as a GPU particle system with bloom shader and such 16:55:06 elliott: understood. i regret how that came out myself. 16:55:31 trails for sure 16:55:34 Phantom_Hoover: um... do you happen to be familiar with a very old comic strip called "Krazy Kat"? 16:59:23 where is this going 16:59:58 probably nowhere. i just... it's the brick-braining theme. 17:00:27 cat loves mouse, mouse lives to hurl bricks at cat, who sees this as a sign of love in return. 17:00:51 dog loves cat, stops mouse from throwing bricks whenever possible. 17:01:25 you'd be surprised, it's actually a really good comic strip if you can tune into the circa-1919 sense of humour. 17:01:29 "Poet E. E. Cummings, another Herriman admirer, wrote the introduction to the first collection of the strip in book form." 17:02:24 The author is dead. Along with billions (or more?) of people. 17:02:35 thanks 17:02:51 was that original Sgeo_? 17:05:05 it was quite unexpected, anyway 17:07:26 "Even self-referential humor is evident in one strip, Offissa Pupp, having arrested Ignatz, berates Herriman for not having finished drawing the jailhouse." 17:07:44 cpressey, sorry, it's just a bit depressing realizing things like that 17:08:12 Remind me to never show Sgeo_ any Virgil or Ovid 17:08:17 definitely more than american billions 17:15:56 also you could color the robots in hue order 17:16:03 i'm sure you've thought about things like that 17:19:10 ? where'd krazy kat come from 17:21:22 "I'm instead talking about simple instructions, burned onto physical media, for how to generate electricity, how to build a computer, how to build a router and how to reconstitute the Internet from basic principles." 17:21:59 Reconstituting a web browser from basic principles seems.... oh, hmm, I assume that all websites would be wiped too in such a scenario 17:22:11 which scenario? 17:22:47 An end-of-the-Internet scenario, I guess 17:22:47 http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/web/internet-down-eagleman 17:22:49 Bike: Phantom_Hoover's tumblr reminded me of it, what with all the brick-braining 17:23:06 Although I don't think any of the four scenarios mentioned lead to a loss of code 17:23:26 interesting... i never thought about this 17:24:35 it would be interesting to design a computer to be built 'from scratch' in a low-tech society 17:24:45 ah yes gotta throw bricks 17:24:56 you need a lot of industrial infrastructure to make integrated circuits 17:25:09 discrete transistors less so, but still a lot 17:25:28 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 17:25:58 it's not just a matter of having learned some trick that now anyone can do in their backyard from what's lying around 17:27:26 learn this one weird trick discovered by a semiconductor fabricator 17:27:39 haha 17:27:41 the circuit design secret intel DOESN'T want you to know 17:28:05 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 17:28:08 Are vacuum tubes easy to build? 17:28:25 ingredient 1. vacuum ingredient 2. tube 17:28:39 We just need to build a bootstrapping system, right? Or we need more than just 'a computer' to build discrete transistors and eventually ICs 17:28:43 Texas Instruments HATES this one weird trick discovered by a Palo Alto teacher! 17:28:59 i think elliott has it about right 17:29:04 i hate it when i accidentally put the vacuum onto the tube backwards 17:29:19 i don't think you need super awesome tech to build vacuum tubes, but it's very labor intensive 17:29:35 I misparsed what elliott into being "vacuum ingredient" and "tube" 17:29:36 Sgeo_: for ICs you'll need a lot of chemical fabrication equipment 17:29:44 photolithography doesn't exactly jump out of vacuum tubes 17:29:47 you also need a way to get pure crystals of semiconductor 17:30:21 i'm not sure how much of an element of bootstrapping there is at this level, i.e. whether a vacuum tube computer is super useful for building a simple transistor computer 17:30:24 i think not really 17:30:28 cable-cutting is cool 17:30:33 underwater internet espionage 17:30:35 of course if you want to design complicated CPUs you need computers to do it 17:30:52 but not simple ones 17:31:21 y'know, i've never really looked into it, but if Konrad Zuse is to be believed, you *can* make 'em outta relays 17:31:47 presumably it's OK if the post-apocalyptic internet is powered by in-order CPUs with 2 stage pipelines 17:31:50 that's the funny thing about really smart people like Dr's and scientists, they know an insane amount about very SPECIFIC things, yet that crowds out the knowledge known as COMMON SENSE... no room left... lol... 17:31:54 great comments on this 17:31:56 cpressey: yeah you definitely can 17:32:19 a lot of early computers used a mix of relays and vacuum tubes, afaik 17:32:37 relays are really slow, but more reliable than tubes, is I think the tradeoff 17:32:48 sort of feel like if the internet is destroyed in such a way that you'd want instructions on how to rebuild it rather than just patching it back up again, then you are not going to be in a stable enough world to properly build the worldwide infrastructure you need for a proper *inter*net 17:32:54 http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/ 17:33:01 yeah 17:33:11 i think if the internet was destroyed rebuilding it wouldn't be the main priority, yeah 17:33:52 maybe the idea is that thousands of years later when things are less fucked up someone takes an interest in your Building The Internet In 24 Hours For Dummies stone tablet 17:33:52 kmc: cool, thanks. seems like it would be a lot easier to make relays "by hand" than the other options 17:34:10 the article says "The Web appears to be the single most important technology that has ever been invented." and while that's sort of true, some kind of internetwork was inevitable given the more fundamental technologies 17:34:27 and there were internetworks before the IP-based Internet of course 17:34:38 oh and relays would make a cool clicking noise too, bonus 17:34:43 that contest is sort of dumb but i'd still go with fire >_> 17:34:44 kind of feel like if something really incredibly apocalyptic happens we should just let them figure out technology themselves rather than telling them they have to do exactly the same things we did 17:34:44 the really remarkable thing about the Internet is its relative openness 17:34:52 but maybe that's weird 17:35:15 I get scared whenever anyone predicts the demise of PCs 17:35:18 which isn't something you could guarantee by just writing down how it's built 17:35:27 I don't know of other open platforms... 17:35:32 elliott: well it would still be nice to leave them some hints, you know? "pst, we tried the whole nuke thing but imo don't do that" 17:35:38 iPads are closed, Androids are closed, Chromebooks are closed 17:36:03 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 17:36:04 Bike: ok but... since when do we pay attention to Ancient Wisdom about Things You Should Not Do 17:36:16 the Internet is so open largely because it was an obscure research project that got big overnight 17:36:18 i... if i were to make such a stone tablet i would only try to put mathematical proofs on it, is that weird? 17:36:22 maybe if we drew some sweet pictures 17:36:34 included a copy of Barefoot Gen or osme shit 17:36:37 (except when those things are e.g. being gay) 17:36:58 cpressey: because it's more universal? 17:37:05 i guess what i'm thinking is, i'd rather leave some sort of marker that says, "yes! there WAS an advanced civilization here once." 17:37:07 if a future civilization was attempting to rebuild it, knowing what it had been, they would probably try to design all kinds of authoritarian control into it 17:37:15 Sgeo_: yeah :/ 17:37:23 Carve the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem into a rock. 17:37:27 A very large rock. 17:37:40 cpressey: look on my proofs, ye mighty, and despair 17:37:42 it might take them a while to realize "damn! these are all the finite simple groups!" but, y'know 17:37:52 well, going off of historical examples of apocalypses, of course one thing is that it's not generally a big simple event that kills everybody 17:37:54 Was cpressey ever in Agora? 17:37:57 Sgeo_: Chromebooks are pretty open I think... https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoswikisite/home/what-s-new-in-dev-and-beta/developer-mode 17:37:59 -!- carado has joined. 17:38:01 the romans just sorta dispersed and became italians and such later 17:38:13 (I'm aware that the line in Agora is a reference to something else) 17:38:20 and of course influenced the hell out of the northern european tribal fuckheads 17:38:32 to the extent of some of said fuckheads later claiming to continue the roman empire 17:38:58 kmc, neat 17:39:07 Holy Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire and British Empire have all claimed to be either the continuation of or a successor too 17:39:12 Sgeo_: so they're closed by default, for user security, but there's a physical switch under the battery that makes them an open platform 17:39:14 similar with the bronze age collapse (which still freaks me the hell out) 17:39:14 ... the Roman empire 17:39:20 which is kind of a nice way to do things! 17:39:28 Sgeo_: have you not read Ozymandias? it's short. http://www.rc.umd.edu/rchs/reader/ozymandias.html 17:39:41 Sgeo_: some Android phones also have rooting as a supported operation 17:39:46 at least some of the Google Nexus phones do 17:40:05 and even without rooting, most Android phones will let you install non-app-store apps 17:40:10 so it's relatively more open than iOS 17:40:13 http://25.media.tumblr.com/704e80b7dc2df2c76b4951c6217b84bc/tumblr_mlyva0Gpvb1qi4onao1_500.png apocalypse doge 17:40:16 Sgeo_: I'm part of the Agora diaspora. Actually I'm not, I have no idea what y'all are talking about, it just seemed to fit the theme and sounded nice 17:40:30 of course there are many parts of the system that you can't easily modify even from a rooted phone, e.g. the OS running on the baseband processor 17:40:36 http://agoranomic.org/ 17:40:37 but the same is true of a modern IBM PC compatible 17:40:47 elliott: also ++ for "look on" not "look upon" 17:40:53 not quite to the same degree though 17:41:30 Bike: i wrote look upon at first but -- sorry -- googled to check my wording 17:42:00 Sgeo_: oh that Agora no i've never been 17:42:13 Sgeo_: but I agree with the general concern that the openness of the IBM PC is a historical accident that won't be repeated 17:42:17 but i stand by what i said about being part of the diaspora anyway 17:42:52 elliott: still 17:42:53 http://hackaday.com/2012/01/16/the-tim-8-is-the-smallest-8-bit-relay-computer-ever/ 17:43:27 the program is stored on receipt paper :) 17:43:46 Sgeo_ did you even click my link............. 17:43:48 kmc: historically computers have been fairly closed things for large businesses/military-industrial, yeah? IBM bricolage computers sorta grew out of that, it wasn't like a fluke, was it? 17:43:57 elliott, yes 17:44:23 it's amusing that on some old systems, a jump instruction would take time proportional to the distance jumped 17:44:37 e.g. on drum memory, as famously recounted in The Story of Mel 17:45:06 Bike: I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think the PC was a pretty atypical project within IBM 17:45:33 well i don't know about the history of computers to that extent, i'm just wondering how atypical personal computers really are 17:45:36 i don't think they put up with third party hw clones for most of their products 17:46:12 there were systems more "open" to the programmer than IBM PC 17:46:13 "In a crucial concession, IBM's agreement allowed Microsoft to sell its own version, MS-DOS, for non-IBM computers." 17:46:17 even if less "open" in terms of clones 17:46:24 DOS doesn't compare to a BASIC prompt 17:46:28 sure 17:46:39 but what about BASICA!! 17:46:51 and QBASIC of course 17:46:56 ♥ QBASIC 17:47:12 "Once every thirteen years, the population of Finland begins sporing. New Finns emerge from the Earth, fully-formed, in the middle of this nationwide combination mating ritual and feeding frenzy. Avoid Finland at all costs during this period, but also in general." is this true 17:48:01 i should get some qbasic up ins 17:48:48 we had a qbasic craze here a while ago 17:50:23 When I was a kid I had a book that had programs in QBASIC 17:50:35 Also the Algebra/Trigonometry/Calculus the Easy Way books 17:50:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbnjusltDHk 17:50:57 elliott: oh? 17:51:11 kmc: yes! everyone with their dosbox installations 17:51:12 it was good fun 17:51:33 cool, what was made? 17:51:58 I made a HTML conversion of the qbasic help file. 17:52:01 FreeDOS, with a virtual disk formatted with FAT12 -- that's the stuff. 17:52:05 elliott: why is yesod so cool 17:52:19 http://zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html fancy 17:52:25 elliott: i'm trying to wrap my head around _why's prose and i can feel it stretching 17:52:28 bbiab 17:52:37 (It might have some misconvertered bits.) 17:53:02 oh i should contribute to https://github.com/ticklemynausea/gobsprogram 17:53:02 Yeah, it has \\s in place of \s, which breaks some formatted tables, for example. 17:53:21 fizzie: nice 17:53:36 (There's also qb.html which doesn't use the "authentic" colurs.) 17:53:41 anyone write a scheme interpreter in qbasic? 17:53:57 does it have dynamic allocation? garbage collection? 17:54:05 i last touched qbasic long before I knew what those things were 17:56:20 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 17:57:57 coppro: it's not 17:58:21 kmc: no GC 17:58:27 dunno about dynamic allocation 17:58:33 elliott: othx 17:58:43 presumably you can call DOS with enough baroqueness 17:58:47 Maybe I should try the whole maverick thing 17:58:54 elliott: needs more classicalness, less baroqueness 17:59:04 Is it apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade, or just apt-get dist-upgrade 18:00:27 It has dynamic allocation, IIRC, via REDIM. 18:01:19 At least of sorts. 18:01:35 There aren't really any referencey things. 18:01:36 kmc: the most surprising thing about QBASIC is that it's incredibly slow, i had to get a pirated quickbasic from an unnamed source in this channel 18:03:34 And of course anything is doable with CALL ABSOLUTE. 18:04:02 People put machine code in DATA statements and CALL ABSOLUTE that. 18:04:46 http://β.zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDhh has an example. 18:05:42 It's all DIM, DEF SEG, READ, POKE, DATA, CALL ABSOLUTE. Very fancy. 18:13:43 for future reference, does anybody here have journal subscriptions and enough contempt for paywalls that you'd let me leech papers off you? 18:15:41 wtf 18:15:43 esolangs.org is broken again 18:16:08 I blame cpressey. 18:17:16 I blame the lack of HTCPCP 18:20:19 More DS9 or Farscape? 18:22:10 ds9 18:22:21 elliott: "all" BASICs have GC, for strings, no? 18:22:33 cpressey: oh, er, really? 18:22:44 I'd be surprised if QBASIC had a proper GC 18:22:48 maybe refcounting? 18:22:48 Business BASIC does not -- i know this from experience 18:23:03 well, when the string table becomes full, it does a sweep to compact it 18:23:57 for MS-like BASICs... i guess the determining factor is, do you have to DIM strings 18:24:11 or can you reasonably say A$=A$+"!" in a loop 18:24:50 granted, i might not call that a "proper" GC, 'cuz it's only for strings 18:27:21 Sgeo_: i can't resist. What is "the whole maverick thing"? 18:27:31 oh, linux 18:27:52 never mind 18:27:57 Wait, I think I'm already on maverick, I need to go to the next thing 18:28:32 the bad news is that "the next thing" is AROS 18:29:09 nobody, huh? i feel so alone 18:29:23 Bike: i can google for papers if you'd like 18:29:40 that only works for old ones!! 18:29:49 maybe in YOUR shitty field, bilologist 18:30:03 woe :< 18:30:06 also fizzie might??? I HAVE OBTAINED ILLICIT MATERIALS FROM HIM BEFORE 18:30:26 haha wow i googled this paper and got some fantastic results 18:30:31 Bike, i'm on a campus connection if you're trying to get through paywalls 18:30:33 "Cockroaches Are Evolving to Avoid Poison, Will Rule Us All - Gizmodo" yes you nailed it good job 18:30:34 if any police/wsj journalists are reading: it was cocaine 18:30:52 "Roach Motel Vacancies Explained | The Scientist Magazine®" 18:30:57 Phantom_Hoover: k 18:31:55 i wonder why physics and stuff is more preprinty than biology 18:32:32 obviously i should just read vixra 18:33:33 "Although some physicists may attribute this to biologists' secretive and competitive personalities," is this you elliott 18:33:44 good 18:33:50 * Sgeo_ takes the plunge into natty 18:33:54 am i secretive and competitive 18:34:00 is that what you think of me! 18:34:07 now now, biology is only one of three areas of research for which i harbour disdain 18:34:13 speech recognition is one of the others 18:34:16 the third... is secret 18:34:47 !!!!! 18:34:57 is it marxist critical theory 18:35:13 guess again 18:35:20 Secret? 18:35:39 Steganography? 18:35:57 no, guys, it's the Forbidden Subject 18:36:02 @? 18:36:24 elliott, is it chemists 18:36:27 fuck chemists 18:36:32 no 18:36:35 you will never guess 18:36:46 i can guess plenty! 18:36:50 civil engineering 18:36:53 no 18:36:57 stats 18:37:02 come one, everyone hates stats 18:37:18 they invented the term bayesian! 18:37:48 wasn't bayes like an astronomer or some shit 18:37:58 all of modern research rests on stats. i hope they don't suddenly some deep overlooked problem 18:38:09 mathematician. CLOSE ENOUGH 18:38:19 doesn't most research hopelessly misuse statistics, generally 18:38:24 fizzie: cool. i guess if I'm implementing Scheme in QBASIC, i will just have a fixed size array for cons pairs 18:38:25 *EVERBMISSING 18:38:27 and implement my own GC 18:39:09 elliott: only when it isn't just blatantly biased in the first place 18:39:11 elliott: http://mchankins.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/still-not-significant-2/ it's amazing 18:39:27 elliott: Anthropology? 18:39:30 "not absolutely significant but very probably so (p>0.05)" 18:39:50 cpressey: WRONG AGAIN 18:39:59 Economics? 18:40:00 It's dismal. 18:40:27 "not quite within the conventional bounds of statistical significance (p=0.12)" 18:40:32 "a strong tendency towards statistical significance (p=0.051) 18:40:32 " 18:40:35 "not significantly significant but..clinically meaningful (p=0.072)" 18:40:42 this is where you abuse rounding... 18:40:55 "on the cusp of conventional statistical significance (p=0.054)" 18:40:56 on the CUSP 18:41:10 "approached but did not quite achieve significance (p>0.05) 18:41:10 " 18:41:18 Bike: i'll gladly harbour disdain for economics on elliott's behalf 18:41:24 elliott, come on what is it 18:41:32 is it, uh 18:41:32 "remarkably close to significance (p=0.05009)" is pretty fantastic 18:41:52 cpressey: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/phd_students/backus/girlfriend/why_i_dont_have_a_girlfriend.pdf 18:41:57 "approaches but fails to achieve a customary level of statistical significance (p=0.154)" 18:42:01 beautiful 18:42:12 i like how that one is fucking three times .05 18:42:20 "close enough" 18:43:32 Bike, i wish someone had linked me this paper before i went to warwick! 18:43:55 i think every university has something silly like this somewhere 18:44:36 "near-marginal significance (p=0.18)" 18:44:56 warwick, more like snorewick IMO 18:44:58 http://vixra.org/abs/1303.0028 i forgot that vixra is amazing 18:45:22 also: borewick 18:45:38 warwick more like fuckingsuckswick 18:45:57 the university is actually in coventry 18:46:06 warwick is a good few miles away 18:46:09 coventry more like um 18:46:14 uhhhh 18:46:17 cpressey: any submissions 18:46:22 Phantom_Hoover: btw this stats thing is actually such a problem that http://www.jnrbm.com/ exists 18:46:22 sloventry 18:46:51 literally a journal full of results that things don't happen 18:47:56 coventry? more like Coven Tree! 18:47:58 Hahaha! 18:48:04 elliott: wait i've got it. the third thing is: the people who come up with "impact factors" and whatever for journals 18:48:10 Wasn't there a scooby doo movie with a coven tree 18:48:18 Bike: ok but those are cute 18:48:47 yeah but you hate everything, why not cute things? 18:48:56 i hate cute things 18:49:04 I am a cute thing 18:49:04 e.g. pandas 18:49:07 Phantom_Hoover: so warwick's home page literally has a twitter feed excerpt that starts with the fucking university of warwick's twitter account participating in that follow friday nonsense 18:49:10 i hate you Taneb 18:49:12 the most prestigious 18:49:42 I'm slightly under six feet tall and have shabby facial hair. I am the cutest. 18:49:42 wtf is follow friday 18:49:48 the internet is successfully turning the entire planet stupid 18:49:50 Bike: people like... 18:49:53 tweet other accounts you should follow 18:49:55 Taneb did you get my message 18:49:55 for no apparent reason 18:49:59 like everything on twitter 18:50:03 wow that's silly 18:50:12 so right now warwick.ac.uk literally contains the text 18:50:13 #ff @GUSummit2013 speakers @AnthonyMcClaran @MayorofLondon @edparsons @phsmithuk @simon_bradley @toni_pearce @vincecable @krishgm 18:50:17 hm let's see what my university is doing 18:50:18 and then you have to tweet your impact factor 18:50:18 @MayorofLondon 18:50:19 Unknown command, try @list 18:50:28 "911 calls may not go thru due to a phone line problem in the region. For emergencies in Pullman call (509) 332-2521 until further notice." 18:50:30 Phantom_Hoover, I assume you wrote it while tired and stuck with what your spellchecker suggested 18:50:31 pretty fucking boring. 18:50:36 elliott: imo, needs more @Pontifex 18:50:38 "you know who you should follow? as YOUR FRIEND, I recommend the mayor of london -- university of warwick" 18:50:48 fuckt he quotes went in the wrong place 18:51:04 holy shit my uni's twitter is boring 18:51:06 cpressey: does esolangs.org work for you 18:51:09 Bike: 0118 999 881 999 119 725...... 3 18:51:22 hello 18:51:36 there's a fucking university rivalry joke in here jfc 18:51:38 elliott: yes 18:51:44 do you have those in the UK? 18:51:55 ...yes 18:51:57 Bike, Oxford/Cambridge is the big one 18:52:11 fortunately those two absorb most of it, afaict 18:52:19 you lucky bastards 18:52:42 does it work for Taneb 18:53:03 congratulations university you are more boring than @Pontifex's endless aphorisms 18:53:06 there's a nominal rivalry between warwick and coventry but only on the rare occasion anyone takes coventry seriously 18:53:08 I tried a few minutes ago and it asked me if I wanted to give Go Daddy money 18:53:09 We all have in our hearts some areas of unbelief. Let us say to the Lord: I believe! Help my unbelief. 18:53:22 Phantom_Hoover, is that like the Oxford/Oxford Brookes? 18:53:24 Phantom_Hoover: i see what you did there!! 18:53:48 Taneb, presumably 18:53:59 "We must learn from Mary, and we must imitate her unconditional readiness to receive Christ in her life." dude we don't all have him as a son come on cut me some slack 18:54:25 And didn't that almost cost her her marriage? 18:55:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKuHYO9TM5A 18:56:03 I hate intrusive thoughts oh so much 18:56:12 what kinda thoughts we talkin here 18:56:19 do you have intrusive thoughts about what you want to do to them 18:56:21 Are these "kill people" thoughts 18:56:27 imo don't kill people 18:56:34 A word 18:56:52 This article deals with the phenomenon of life,and shows how can a different approach change all that we know about it.Making the simpliest and most objective assumption that the difference between earth and other planets is just that there is a huge number of chemical reactions near the surface of earth(even a stone travelling in the universe can admitt that, because life means nothing for the stone).These chemical reactions , although ... 18:56:53 Intrusive thoughts can be a word, right? 18:56:58 ... partially(organism per organism) they seem to have self sustaining and self organizing properties that violate the laws of thermodynamics,when they are seen as a whole, they seem to be more random ,and not violating the laws of thermodynamics.This is very difficult for a person to realize(especially if you are living in big cities), because we see things from inside the whole system, and so it is very difficult to judje objectively ... 18:57:04 ... what is life. 18:57:06 yes. 18:57:07 intrusive thoughts can definitely be a word 18:57:15 it doesn't have to be The Shining 18:57:58 what is the word 18:58:03 is it... pizza 18:58:10 This is the first volumn of the primer of algorithm. As is well known, algorithm become center of computer science now. In my lecture notes , I focus on one of the alogorithms, which is called The Recursive Algorithm. 18:59:05 what the shit 18:59:09 On a more pleasant note, jackd2 is asking me some configuration stuff 18:59:17 hey, it's quintopia. 18:59:27 hey its cpressey 18:59:27 oh gosh somebody came up with a polynomial time 3-sat solver! how exciting!!! 18:59:30 Whether or not to enable realtime process priority 18:59:44 It is for sure that the algorithm has polynomial runtime, even in the worst case, as the runtime is artificially limited. The question is only if the algorithm does always output the correct result. I suppose it does, due to a proof of correctness that will be shown in this document, and the evidence that an implementation of the algorithm solved millions of test formulae without any error. 18:59:46 Says it could lead to complete system lock-ups, but can minimize latency 18:59:50 Bike: it can only solve logarithmically sized circuits :P 18:59:50 I think I'm going to say no 19:00:06 Bike: what is this 19:00:11 http://vixra.org/abs/1212.0109 19:00:41 a proof that P=NP on vixra. I AM STUNNED. 19:00:53 thats hilarious that they artificially limit the algorithm 19:00:58 Algorithm has been well (!) tested! 19:01:00 what's vixra 19:01:04 other than arxiv backwards 19:01:06 kmc: arxiv w/o standards 19:01:07 as if testing an algorithm well is surprising 19:01:11 lol 19:01:19 i've seen plenty of crackpot stuff on arxiv so...... 19:01:26 cpressey: mainstream scientists are just suppressing this 19:01:35 peer review is hard and doesn't help anyway 19:01:37 kmc: http://vixra.org/abs/1212.0136 it's a higher level of crackpot 19:02:01 oh hey, this other one proves P != NP 19:02:02 Any NP problem can reduce to P problem, any P problem can reduce to instructions. If NP=P, it violate information entropy principle. 19:03:04 Do computers already have human level intelligence? Could they understand and process the semantics of irrational numbers without knowing the exact values ? Human can. How about uncountable sets ? These are necessary to build sciences and real world modeling. Does human intelligence exceed the power of Turing Machine? This paper explains that behavior-based Turing Test cannot measure some intrinsic human intelligence, due to the ... 19:03:10 ... bottleneck in expression, the bottleneck in capacity, and black box issue, etc. 19:03:32 What is NSS? 19:03:33 yehhhh you know what... i feel bad for NL vs P, and NP vs EXP. they're just as interesting problems, but there they go with that millenium prize and it's all P vs NP, P vs NP. 19:03:53 I guess I should restart after upgrade, right? 19:04:14 cpressey: i think serious researchers spend appropriate time on those problems. P/NP can just be a honeypot for morons 19:04:24 Sgeo_: i would be AMAZED if you could keep going without restarting 19:04:41 The glibc6 wants kdm to be restarted I think 19:04:54 at least, that's what i get out of aaronson's blog, i am not a math guy 19:05:04 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:05:54 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 19:06:03 OH SHIT 19:06:04 new and improved sgeo, for the new millenium 19:06:30 13 years late but whos counting 19:06:55 I was running the dist-upgrade in a Konsole window. 19:07:15 Meaning the kdm restart killed the process, I think. 19:07:32 ... 19:07:37 … 19:07:49 *cough* tmux 19:07:52 well now you get to find out just how robust dist-upgrade is 19:08:20 dpkg --configure -a, apt-get -f install, another dist-upgrade should take care of it. 19:08:31 has anyone done a "software tropes" wiki? "now you get to find out" is a software trope. 19:08:40 (Some of those are probably redundant, too.) 19:09:23 Turn ion 19:09:25 Ty 19:10:47 -!- glogbackup has joined. 19:12:10 you should run tmux or screen in every terminal SgeoN1 19:12:23 my 'launch a terminal' keybinding launches screen 19:12:53 that sounds annoying tbh 19:12:58 Currently using the ctrlaltf1 thing 19:13:58 i think my habit (developed under FreeBSD) is to use a "ctrlaltf1 thing" for anything excessively system-y 19:13:59 -!- Taneb has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:14:15 for me, ctrl+alt+fN doesn't even work 19:14:17 I have no idea why 19:14:31 probably some systemd thing I don't understand 19:15:07 "alt" has started to work strangely for me after the latest update... maybe i should totally do the natty thing too 19:17:16 kmc: with tmux in every terminal, do you just let closed terminals keep running forever?? 19:17:28 (or screen) 19:18:14 i close a terminal by exiting the shell(s) inside 19:18:16 with ^D or 'exit' 19:18:47 but yes sometimes i do have a bunch of junk terminals in the background for whatever reason 19:19:02 like if X crashes and I forget to reattach everything 19:19:16 i close them with altgr-shift-c (xmonad) a lot, because i run things in them 19:19:22 http://25.media.tumblr.com/854b1a19fe680c6d0e2b9300a8654680/tumblr_mn687cUjSg1spvwooo2_500.png me 19:19:29 and :q^D or qq^D or whatever are long 19:21:23 elliott: oh, well i never noticed how long they are, but i probably will now, thanks a lot :'( 19:21:57 kmc: if you're sshing could be :q^D^D!!!!!!! 19:22:06 you probably use ZZ though *spit* 19:22:17 nerds. nerds 19:23:54 i'm with Bike 19:25:13 i find it fascinating that "nerds" carries any weight at all in this channel 19:26:15 that's the joke dot gif 19:26:26 the thing is that every time i call people nerds, which is of course pretty jokey since i'm saying it on fucking irc, somebody says that 19:27:02 whatever imma join #jocks #killallnerds.exe #NASCAR #gunz 19:27:13 have you considered Bike... 19:27:16 that you are the nerd 19:27:25 killall -NERD 19:27:26 blowing my mind here 19:35:34 I got an error 19:35:51 And don't know if my use of sudo su could be to blae 19:36:11 you can do «sudo -i» instead of sudo su 19:36:48 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct. 19:39:03 What do? 19:39:32 burn it down 19:39:53 def. burn it down 19:40:22 i think #gunz would be full of nerds too 19:40:23 gun nerds 19:40:51 WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? 19:40:52 and #jocks would be full of workout nerds? 19:40:59 oh man that guy is the best 19:41:00 beats me 19:41:15 for those who haven't seen it: http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php 19:41:55 YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON 19:43:46 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:46:50 kmc, was it you who suggested a certain Dell monitor? 19:46:55 yep 2412M 19:47:00 kmc, is it matte? 19:47:04 yeah 19:47:07 Ah good 19:47:17 yeah fuck glossy 19:47:26 only 60 Hz though I assume? 19:47:32 i don't know 19:47:47 I doubt it would be a 120 Hz monitor 19:47:53 you could look it up 19:48:06 I am looking it up, but it didn't say here 19:50:01 kmc, Huh, reading up on the IPS technology it seems it generally has worse response time than traditional TN, have you noticed any such issues on that model? 19:50:07 no 19:50:10 i don't play games on it though 19:50:15 Fair enough 19:50:15 TN response times are just lies usually 19:50:19 oh? 19:50:21 it is some marketing shit 19:50:30 Not so for IPS? 19:50:46 where everyone claims to have a 0.000000000001ms response time because they sacrifice all kind of quality and have ghosting and stuff and don't actually give that refresh rate in practice or whatever, AIUI 19:50:49 http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm has testing of lag 19:50:59 heh 19:51:05 Well as long as I can play games on it without too much issues I'm happy. 19:51:15 It is a quite expensive monitor so... 19:51:24 'The input lag of the U2412M was very low with an average of only 9.4ms and a maximum of 20ms. This was a very good result and was even lower than the U2410 when using its 'game mode' to bypass a lot of the internal electronics (14.4ms). It was also ever so slightly better than the U2311H (10.6ms). A good performance and no issue for gaming from a lag point of view.' 19:51:39 Right 19:52:00 elliott, I haven't noticed any ghosting on my current cheap Asus monitor 19:52:06 Pretty sure it is TN 19:53:37 * SgeoN1 wonders if VirtualBox supports IOMMU shenanigans 19:53:47 IIRC it does with linux as a host 19:54:09 'I THINK LIVE GRENADE FOR CIVILIAN IN AMERICA IS PROBABLY ENOUGH REASON FOR GULAG, SO IS PROBABLY NO REAL USE FOR GRENADE SPIGOT TO YOU.' 19:54:16 SgeoN1, With some caveats wrt using the GART not working 19:54:23 possible jerkcity ref.? who knows 19:54:36 haha 19:54:38 GART? 19:54:49 SgeoN1, a thingy used by graphics cards mostly 19:55:01 Don't ask me about the details, because I have no clue 19:55:12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_address_remapping_table 19:55:16 spigot complaining about belgian pistols would be p. great 19:55:23 Oh. Well, I wanted it for graphics... 19:56:11 http://25.media.tumblr.com/33fb29f6b93975f06f99d0146e548283/tumblr_mn4211nqy41snfhwio1_1280.png have you 20:04:14 kmc, oh great, it as proper physical buttons. I have a Dell monitor at work with touchbuttons on the side (don't remember which model), pretty good monitor, but those buttons activate way too easily 20:04:23 if you just get your hand even close to it 20:07:18 I think Parallels gave up on caring about non-Macs 20:07:36 Parallels the company also makes Linux and Windows server virtualization products 20:07:54 eg the commercial version of OpenVZ 20:07:54 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:08:32 aiui, these were developed by a different company that bought the Mac desktop virtualization company 20:11:12 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:17:37 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 20:18:40 mnoqy: I was Really Weird? When? 20:19:28 GATLING GUN OF AMERICAN CIVIL WAR IS NOT OF SELFLOADING SISTEMA. IS TYPICAL CAPITALIST APPROACH OF MORE IS BETTER. INSTEAD OF A SINGLE STRONG BARREL OF PROUD WORKMANSHIP, IS MANY EXPENSIVE BARREL ON WHEEL LIKE REVOLVER. ONE CONSCRIPT HE SPIN CRANK; OTHER CONSCRIPT HE SWEEP ENEMIES DOWN LIKE FIST OF DRUNKEN GOD. 20:20:02 kmc, where is that from 20:20:09 http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php 20:20:35 kmc: what do you think he thinks of tachankas 20:20:43 Vorpal: It was probably at http://www.tested.com/tech/pcs/453848-buying-your-new-monitor-part-one-what-get/ where I saw that U2412M recommendation. 20:20:51 Why does 20:21:00 does is tree a package called yelp 20:21:09 what 20:21:24 Why is there a package called yelp on my system 20:21:31 why not 20:21:47 apt-cache show yelp 20:21:49 The Gnome help browser is called Yelp. 20:22:11 it's cool how maxim guns were used up through the korean war 20:22:27 i guess that's like how syrians are still using stgs 20:22:30 Maybe that website shouldn't have stolen the name of the GNOME help viewer 20:22:41 i'm sure that's exactly what they did 20:22:49 Hm I wonder if my current monitor is IPS... It has extremely good viewing angles. But it is a pretty cheap Asus 20:22:56 oh look Metal Storm went bankrupt 20:22:58 * Vorpal looks for a model number 20:23:10 the million rounds per minute folks? 20:23:19 yeah 20:23:58 i guess the papau new guinean armed forces just aren't enough 20:24:14 VW225 20:24:20 Doesn't say IPS on Asus page 20:24:28 So I would assume it is TN 20:26:05 VW225N even 20:26:27 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 20:29:57 Generally (at least my feeling is) TN "viewing angles" in the sense that there's an image and it's not obviously wrong color are quite reasonable too; it's just that the colors noticeably change depending on the (vertical) angle. 20:30:34 Also that bird hasn't been in for hours. I wonder if it went somewhere. 20:30:41 fizzie, Well it doesn't change at all unless I go to maybe 70 degrees off the normal or so on my monitor 20:30:44 what bird 20:31:24 Vorpal: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-05-25#064017fizzie that bird. 20:31:36 Heh 20:31:43 (There's an image link some lines down.) 20:32:09 Hm what sort of bird is that 20:32:19 I'm no good at that sort of thing 20:32:27 There's a species hypothesis few lines further down. 20:33:56 Ah interesting 20:34:14 You can compare e.g. to http://www.elisanet.fi/~y612053/Harrastukset/Linnut/Mustarastas-P-03.JPG 20:34:25 Anyone know how to use ICC profiles under Linux? 20:34:50 fizzie, wrong beak colour 20:35:01 Your bird has a yellow beak 20:36:11 So do some of the other blackbird photos. 20:36:38 But I'm certainly not sure at all, I don't know about birds. 20:40:52 As for color management, I think it's quite a lot up to the application to be ICC-aware, and many do it via LittleCMS aka LCMS. 20:41:25 Ah... 20:41:34 Nothing on the GPU level then 20:42:05 There's standalone loaders for setting the graphics card look-up table thingamajicks that (some?) monitor profiles use. 20:42:25 Heh 20:42:35 And a root window property for associating monitor profiles with screens, which I think the loaders also set? 20:42:39 Something like that, anyway. 20:42:46 Know the software name? 20:43:51 I think dispwin is one of the tools. It's from the Argyll CMS. 20:43:59 Hm 20:44:48 Also something standalone called xcalib. But I don't have in-depth knowledge of these things, I don't have a fancy enough monitor and/or know anyone with a color calibro-a-meter. 20:46:03 For Gimp you can just configure the monitor profile in its own dialogs, at least. 20:46:20 There seems to be a checkbox for "try to use the system monitor profile", which doesn't sound all that optimistic. 20:46:27 ok, so _why is completely insane 20:46:33 though, i do not mean that in a bad way. 20:51:30 Toddammit errpts 20:52:37 yes. 20:53:06 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/icedtea-netx_1.2-2ubuntu0.11.04.3_i386.deb 20:58:16 Vorpal: Re TN and viewing angles, http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php is a good test of it; the text in the image shouldn't have different colors depending on the position on the screen (i.e., the viewing angle to that region); it most certainly does for my el-cheapo TN panel. (Hey, it's quite old; IPS panels were really pricey back then.) 20:59:35 (Though I really should've probably shopped around; the controls on this thing are atrocious, and I think there's some "sharpening" setting that can't be disabled or even configured.) 20:59:58 (Just can't justify doing anything about it until it breaks.) 21:06:15 !bf_txtgen Gob's program? y/n 21:06:19 ​213 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>+.>-.>.>---.<+++++++++++++++++.>-------.<<+.++.>----.--------.<.>------.<-----.<--------.>>>.<<++++++++++++.<----------------.>-----------.>>----------------------. [647] 21:07:12 fizzie, there is a very slight difference, not much. 21:07:21 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:07:35 ais523: hello! 21:07:41 is bf_txtgen optimal? 21:07:42 hi cpressey! 21:07:45 Bike: no 21:07:48 it's probabilistic 21:07:48 ais523: read this http://catseye.tc/wsj.html 21:07:55 sometimes returns a different value with the same input 21:08:02 pfft, as if ais523 clicks links 21:08:05 really, how intereting 21:08:06 !bf_txtgen NO 21:08:07 also, in general, an optimal bf_txtgen requires solving a busy beaver-like problem 21:08:08 ​38 ++++++++++[>++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.+.>. [83] 21:08:14 ais523: yeah that's why i was wondering 21:08:15 >><< so optimal 21:08:17 elliott: if they go to catseye, I'm more likely to 21:08:30 ais523: http://catseye.tc/warez/Windows_8.iso 21:09:12 cpressey: you are a beautiful person 21:09:33 It's a very strict fixed format; +{n}, followed by that single loop (that always has four "terms" for !bf_txtgen, though the underlying code lets you configure that with a command line argument), followed by a sequence of +-<>. without loops. 21:09:45 weak 21:09:51 elliott: "more likely" does not necessarily mean "100%" 21:09:57 especially because that's likely either a 404, or some sort of ingenious joke 21:10:33 you don't like ingenious jokes??? 21:10:35 And the parameters (initial number, values of the terms, output printing sequence) are done with a GP thing. One of those outputs is the generation number, I think. 21:11:09 correlation of giving ais523 links and ais523 clicking on them is quasi-significant (p=0.09) 21:11:12 i demand an uncomputable algorithm 21:11:35 Is that dpkg configure thing supposed to be idempotent? 21:12:03 fizzie: you should write a better thing. 21:12:24 Someone spoke on channel about writing a better thing, though I don't know if that happened. 21:12:29 It would be nice if bf_txtgen tried to remove un-needed > and < though 21:12:47 cpressey: hmm 21:12:52 I've given more serious esolang emails, over email 21:13:16 guaranteed that any ais523 interview would be edited for length and boredom 21:13:24 cpressey: elliott: http://danieltemkin.com/blog/post/Interview-with-ais523.aspx 21:13:29 About to reboot into Natty 21:13:32 !bf_txtgen Gob's Program: Y/N? 21:13:33 elliott: haha 21:13:35 ​242 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>++++++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>+.>-.>.>---.<+++++++++++++++++.>-------.<<<+++++++++.>>-.<.--------.>.<------.>-----.<<----------------------.>>>..<<--------.<-----------.>-----------.---------------.>>----------------------. [643] 21:13:38 elliott: uh yeah that's why the letter says to interview zzo! 21:13:40 some people from channel 4 tried to interview me once 21:13:41 it didn't go well 21:14:27 ais523: You've given emails, over email? 21:14:32 daniel temkin... i think i tried to give him an interview years ago but never actually succeeded 21:14:34 interviews, over email 21:14:44 cpressey: yeah, he was interviewing some of the best-known esolang names 21:14:48 so I'm not surprised he tried to interview you 21:15:05 "Here is the edited interview with Alex. Q: What are esolangs? A: Esolangs [...] epistemological [...] Thursday [...] fucking Stephen Wolfram [...] wholly derived from [...] bitchin' [...] except for this last case (and the one after it))))))))))) [...] but not axiomatically." 21:15:29 nailed it 21:15:29 anyway, I need some advice 21:15:38 he's still blogging so if i can compose myself maybe i'll hit him up sometime, see if he's at all still interested 21:15:39 except, hmm 21:15:40 Don't eat yellow snow. 21:15:44 (That's good advice.) 21:15:49 bitchin' 21:15:49 Bike: you don't even know how deep ais523's parentheses go 21:15:50 Why did I end up booting into GNOME, urgh 21:15:51 definitely don't eat brown snow 21:15:57 elliott: lisp joke 21:16:11 basically, I'm trying to help another computer go 21:16:12 GNOME with no panels. Shoot me. 21:16:32 `pastelogs ))))) 21:16:36 basically, what happened is that the Windows partitions on it (two of them, somehow) have been so overrun with something or other that they can no longer be resized 21:16:41 well i forget the command 21:16:44 grep: unmatched parentheses \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21715 21:16:55 to make the computer usable, we resized the recovery partition, and put Linux (specifically, Ubuntu precise) on the unused portion of that 21:16:57 * Bike beats head into table 21:17:09 `pastelogs '\\)\\)\\)\\)\\)' 21:17:15 grep: unmatched parentheses \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4933 21:17:24 anyway, the point is it has a very low maximum disk space 21:17:24 fuck. everything 21:17:32 in fact, the package system currently seems to be broken 21:17:39 and I'm not convinced there's enough free space to repair it 21:17:41 `pastelogs \)\)\)\)\) 21:17:54 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19598 21:18:23 also there seems to be some sort of signature error on the kernel 21:18:25 wow look at all dem lisp jokes 21:18:47 gosh, log from ten years ago 21:19:11 um the world is only 8 years old 21:19:42 i thought it was 44 21:19:57 and software center keeps segfaulting 21:20:27 why the everloving fuck is there this much ski 21:20:40 elliott: What happened to esolangs.org? 21:20:51 Welcome to: esolangs.org 21:20:51 Visit GoDaddy.com. 21:21:27 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:21:28 nice 21:21:30 wow, this is elliott using cl! 21:21:41 This Web page is parked FREE, courtesy of GoDaddy.com 21:21:48 FREE 21:21:54 thanks GoDaddy.com 21:22:27 * ais523 deletes the entire content of /var/cache, then mounts a tmpfs over /var/cache 21:22:50 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 21:23:24 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:23:35 Finally booted into KDE 21:24:16 -!- joe_____ has joined. 21:24:45 `welcome joe_____ 21:24:47 joe_____: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 21:25:20 that's a lot of underscores 21:25:26 2003 logs are very sad 21:25:36 yep 21:25:36 why 21:25:53 http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2003-09-24 21:25:54 Any particular reason not to trust do-release-upgrade? 21:25:56 "what a log" 21:26:07 some of them are rather poetic 21:26:09 cpressey: I think my main feedback is that 99.97% seems too high 21:26:10 Oh, occurs to me that my sources.list still needs to and should be pointing to old-releases 21:26:29 http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2003-08-31 lament's twitter 21:26:32 not many people esolang at all, so a single female would throw the statistics way off, and I vaguely remember there's at least one 21:26:33 I like this wallpaper 21:27:13 ais523, fax/MissPiggy/Iforgetwhatothernamesshesused? 21:27:15 there are at least like 4-5 women who have made esolangs or been in #esoteric for a while 21:27:27 nooodl_: wow that's... yeah. 21:27:34 but it's still pretty depressingly imbalanced 21:27:56 Sgeo: I was thinking of someone else, but can't remember who 21:28:03 we need an esolang outreach system 21:28:30 get the most charismatic to go around to schools teaching lens 21:28:44 lens is an esolang now? 21:28:50 yes. 21:29:19 i still need to "get into" lens 21:29:22 it's either that or brainfuck derivatives sgeo. the choice is obvious 21:29:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtpVhEgj7tU -- now that's what i call a Real Fast Download 21:29:51 I think the thing that made me actually notice lenses is mapped 21:30:10 why mapped... 21:30:18 shachaf: holy shit 21:30:22 imo the quintessential esolang is befunge, not brainfuck 21:30:26 brainfuck is just so boring 21:30:27 taneb has to watch that 21:30:38 i'm. hasn't taneb seen it? 21:30:52 I haven't 21:30:53 Heard of it 21:30:54 Bike: no he named it after a spam page advertising an (iirc phony) download for it 21:30:58 Vaguely 21:30:58 nooodl_: see. Befunge Fun Hour. we can do it 21:31:05 Bike: on the wiki 21:31:10 elliott: good etymology 21:31:43 wow that's a p. bad movie 21:31:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:31:45 Delicious (T. Ashanti Mozelle) is in charge of maintaining Nora s legacy and tradition by running & managing the shop. The dysfunctional group of hairstylists consisting of Janelle, Nina, Xenobia, Tashina, and manicurists Ming and Ling are still up to their old antics! One day, reality show producer Charles (Miguel Nuñez) enters the shop. Captivated by the goings-on inside, he proposes that Nora s Hair Salon have its own show. ... 21:31:51 ... Immediately, the salon crew signs on with hopes of money and fame, but they get more than they bargained for when they learn that Charles has ulterior motives. Now, the crew must come together to see that this reality tape never sees the light of day. Written by Anonymous 21:32:05 thanks anonymous 21:32:08 !bf_txtgen Penus 21:32:10 ​75 ++++++++++[>++++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>.>+.+++++++++.+++++++.--.>++.>. [702] 21:32:16 what the hell is Xenobia 21:32:17 every decade or so there's a female but they never stay very long. maybe 99.97% is a bit high. 21:32:18 kmc: using !bf_txtgen is cheating btw 21:32:24 is Ming and Ling some racist thing i don't even know 21:32:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:32:35 Bike: Xenobia, short for Xenophobia 21:32:44 what the fuck, this is a sequel? 21:32:50 well it's 3 21:32:53 i thought the 3 was just marketing 21:32:56 ... 21:32:56 lol 21:33:04 Jennifer Lewis plays Nora, a young woman who runs a hair salon full of sassy, eclectic stylists. 21:33:05 noras hair salon 3000 21:33:22 Rated R for some language and sexual references 21:33:40 wait 21:33:45 this is real fast nora isn't it 21:33:46 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0883410/ what a mysterious film 21:33:50 is 21:33:51 is that real 21:33:54 yes 21:33:56 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:34:23 our local warez specialist (or "zpecialist") found a rip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtpVhEgj7tU 21:34:33 too bad this couldn't be advertised directly on a certain wiki! 21:34:34 unlike the other two films in the trilogy, Nora's Hair Salon II is a horror art film 21:34:41 and shares no characters with the others 21:35:00 except Xenobia, dark priestess of the east 21:35:04 it was not well received by fans of the original and the third instalment is generally considered a far superior sequel 21:35:47 -!- joe_____ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 21:35:51 * ais523 deletes kernel modules for all versions of the kernel under than the one we're currently using 21:35:57 cpressey: see this is how you do it (example from #haskell): 21:35:59 22:34:24 cabal is easy. 21:35:59 22:35:04 not as easy as monoids. 21:36:28 -!- joe_____ has joined. 21:36:29 elliott's point is that monoids are easy 21:36:35 (They are.) 21:37:07 am i the only one who thinks "a female" sounds overly technical... 21:37:27 no 21:37:32 huh, you can resize tmpfses, neat 21:37:37 nooodl_: no 21:38:32 I don't get this 21:38:37 I have 463M available on / 21:38:46 and 800M available on /var/cache 21:38:51 and yet I'm still getting disk full errors 21:39:19 when only 100M is meant to be needed 21:39:35 nooodl_: yeah people should generally be called "men" or "women" (or "people"), "female" is more of an adjective 21:40:11 calling women "females" is common among chauvinists, "pick up artists" / "mens rights activists" and the like 21:40:19 of course not everyone who uses the word that way is one of those 21:40:25 and worst of all, cpressey!!!! 21:40:31 O: 21:40:38 jk cpressey ilu bff's 21:41:24 shachaf: esolangs.org works for me now, maybe it will for you too 21:41:24 Oh, I don't need to do old-releases for oneiric 21:41:39 i got a reply from THE ALAN DIPERT saying he'll sort it out so hopefully all will be well soon! 21:41:42 elliott: "nope sry" 21:42:32 "men" and "women" has age connotations 21:42:38 it's hard to estimate gender ratios in online technical communities, because people are assumed to be male by default, and if you correct them it's all WHY ARE YOU FORCING YOUR RADICAL FEMINIST AGENDA ON US and then the rape and death threats 21:42:40 "people" is "p. good tho" 21:42:45 i don't think we would do that 21:42:57 but it's a reason why some women prefer not to be "out" as women online 21:43:17 i should find a biologist chatroom and see what it's like 21:43:21 since the community is mostly female 21:43:44 what's the ratio? 21:44:05 not much over 50/50, lemme check 21:44:28 -!- joe_____ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 21:44:49 (it's cool how if you google "nsf gender ratios" you get a bunch of stuff on sexual development in nonhumans) 21:45:19 hehe 21:45:38 i demand to know whether male nonhuman primates or female nonhuman primates are better at programming computers 21:46:10 which gender of compiler generates better code 21:46:12 \rainbow{evolutionary psychology} 21:46:21 shachaf: is 'compiler' a male or female noun in hebrew 21:46:27 http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf12311/ gives 1.8/1.2 in favor of women, versus e.g. 16.6/9.3 for men in CS and math 21:46:46 male 21:47:29 social sciences are also female-dominated, while physics is still male-dominated 21:47:47 engineers is given as 16.4/4.2 which is pretty crazy 21:48:14 what about political economy 21:49:02 I don't know if that counts as "science and engineering" so much as "twainbait" 21:49:26 wait wait wait Real Fast Nora is a FILM? I was so SURE it was a casual game of the resource management genre 21:49:37 i mean it sounds like one, doesn't it? doesn't it? 21:49:38 i actually thought the same thing 21:49:42 which is weird 21:50:25 the gender ratio in open source and online software communities is also a lot more skewed than the gender ratio among professional programmers 21:51:06 nooodl_: i'm trying not to be speciestist. 21:51:19 *speciesist 21:51:28 not that that's a word 21:51:34 I try not to be too speciesist but it's hard. 21:51:49 remember everyone, open source is a pure meritocracy that in no way drives away particular kinds of people 21:51:52 So I'm pretty speciesist. 21:52:41 kmc: I've noticed the gender ratio in computer science get closer to even over time, even just in the four years I was teaching there 21:52:57 this reminds me that i'm not good enough at websurfing to figure out how to get the US BLS to tell me how most people in the US are employed 21:53:02 because i really don't know... 21:53:11 i already lost the link to the qbasic online docs :( 21:53:29 that is, among students 21:53:37 oh http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html 21:54:03 The "c" is for colors. 21:54:17 wow this is long 21:57:58 -!- Bike_ has joined. 21:58:25 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:58:28 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 22:01:24 -!- mnoqy has joined. 22:02:56 kmc: you should implement deadfish in qbasic, although i guess it probably already has been 22:04:13 You should implement Haskell in qbasic 22:04:51 implement qbasic in deadfish 22:05:00 what's deadfish 22:05:27 that thing that squares numbers and sucks 22:06:04 By the way, what happened to the esolangs wiki ): 22:08:06 -!- Bike_ has joined. 22:09:05 esolangs.org totally works for me. i suspect i'm on a different internet from everyone else 22:10:05 Bike_: the internet doesn't seem to know what "twainbait" means & neither do I 22:10:25 yo shachaf help him out 22:10:29 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 22:10:31 Mark Twain - "When you fish for love, bait with your heart, not your brain." 22:10:31 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 22:11:16 Someone should perhaps solve the DNS cache coherency problem, it's nonsensical when things work for some people but not for others. 22:11:49 cpressey: anyway shachaf was referring to a short story he linked yesterday, titled Political Economy, by Twain 22:12:18 Bike: you realise you said twainbait not shachaf right 22:12:33 Huh, there's a Nintendo 3DS version of VVVVVV around? The strangest. 22:13:04 elliott: yeah but i'm approximately utterly unconcerned with making sense wrt shachaffing 22:13:17 Why is xset trying to open display "" 22:13:27 because that's the best display 22:13:36 Does this upgrade need to be running with communication to an X server for some odd reason? 22:13:41 Bike: thanks. my brain is still recovering from _why's thing, so i'll read it tomorrow 22:13:45 i suppose next you'll be wonering about MIT MAGIC COOKIEs 22:13:53 It did ask me which ... thing (gdm kdm etc.) I wanted as default 22:14:21 sgeo i think making sense of desktop environments is hopeless and don't 22:14:51 I just don't know if that's related to it trying to do X stuff 22:15:06 Bike: I make sense in other channels! 22:15:18 doubt it 22:15:32 Why don't you /join #haskell and see for yourself? 22:15:43 sounds like a sucky place 22:15:46 imo 22:15:54 It's the worst thing in the world. 22:16:17 i hear elliott ops there but still hasn't /cs clear users'd 22:17:45 whoa i didn't know about /msg chanserv clear users 22:17:54 why must you put this temptation in my path 22:18:03 I'm a kingmaker. 22:18:13 where 'king' is a euphemism for space madness 22:19:16 There are Mafia-variant games with kingmakers 22:22:17 there's a country iin southeast asia called Vietnam 22:22:57 cpressey: has boily asked you the question yet by the way 22:23:01 Why doesn't someone do that here 22:23:30 kmc, I'm considering going for a H-IPS monitor instead, I identified the one at work as a U2410, and I really like it. Seems that is an old model though. Ever used a U2413, which seems to be the current replacement for that 22:24:23 It is a bit expensive though 22:24:45 But 6-bit + FRC sounds annoying. 22:27:24 elliott: no, boily has not asked me any questions in fact, and i doubt i would be able to discern The Question from a randomly selected question 22:27:32 cpressey: I am sure you would 22:27:43 ok, maybe i would 22:27:59 which question is this now 22:28:12 mnoqy: you know, the one boily asks 22:28:24 help 22:28:30 the question 22:28:42 hang on 22:28:46 have i been asked this question 22:28:51 if it's anything like Phantom_Hoover's secret... 22:29:13 Phantom_Hoover will take his secret to the grave 22:29:15 why do i know this question and not shachaf and mnoqy what is happening 22:29:23 btw I would say it's not specifically his secret 22:29:30 secret pertaining to phantom hoover 22:29:32 Bike: what's going on 22:29:54 god is here 22:30:08 kmc: that's a good point about assuming-male-by-default; I'm now wondering how many esolang designers have gone by an alias and I've never confirmed the gender of 22:30:11 am i god 22:30:26 no 22:30:41 well. partly. 22:33:54 Vorpal: no I haven't used the U2413 or U2410 22:34:07 any particular reason for going with H-IPS? 22:34:15 and can you get a 24" H-IPS for $300? 22:34:19 ␓ ␐ 22:34:19 well no 22:34:26 btw I hear there are these amazing cheap monitors from Korea 22:34:29 on ebay or whatever 22:34:34 there are whole web forums devoted to them 22:34:37 kmc, but since I'm considering dual monitor in that case... 22:35:18 kmc, I read a bit about that, one guy complained about electronic whining. That scares me. I can't stand that, plus I have above average hearing so... 22:35:23 Nope, not taking that risk. 22:35:39 if it's anything like Phantom_Hoover's secret... 22:35:42 ok 22:35:42 kmc, It is either dual U2412M or single U2413 22:35:46 which secret is this 22:35:58 if god is here, i have a question for him/her/it, namely, when you made the moon why did you put a rabbit in it that you can only see when it's full and when you tilt your head to the right? 22:36:09 wait, don't tell me 22:36:36 i think i prefer the mystery for that one. 22:36:56 well just think....if you were god.....wouldnt you have done it too 22:36:58 kmc, since the U2412M has a 6-bit panel + FRC I'm a bit worried 22:37:02 kmc, is that noticable? 22:37:12 mnoqy: i am god and i did 22:37:14 if i wouldn't hate IO in prolog, i'd provide an implementation of deadfish in it 22:37:25 alt. who cares about the moon, there are billions of other moons 22:37:48 Phantom_Hoover: it's the one about your tumblr, for the record 22:37:55 oh that secret 22:38:03 i thought it was one of the secret secrets 22:38:05 little known fact: cpressey's moonjob there is actually true of all moons 22:38:09 wait what secret secrets 22:38:12 spill plz 22:38:24 i thought the tumblr secret wasnt secret at all 22:38:30 cpressey: do you prefer the mystery for the god question or the ph question 22:38:35 no that's the decoy secret 22:38:36 is the tumblr secret that it's actually written by taneb 22:38:40 there's another secret 22:38:43 Bike..... you spoiled it 22:38:50 though it's not a secret secret 22:38:50 spill the beans Phantom_Hoover 22:38:55 Bike: dont worry thats the one thats not secret at all 22:38:56 "beans" means "secrets" 22:39:18 can't, i don't remember them 22:39:24 too secret 22:39:56 cpressey: also re: god, moon, rabbits: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/White-Rabbit-making-elixir-of-immortality.jpg 22:40:04 "The mythological white hare making the elixir of immortality on the Moon, from Chinese mythology. Embroidered onto 18th-century Imperial Chinese robes." 22:40:08 and a shout out 2 mnoqy 22:41:05 elliott: yeah, sadly, that is where i learnt of it, and i was like, i know there's a man in the moon, but a rabbit, nuh-uh, and then i tilted my head to the right and i was like DAMN 22:41:19 imo gunnerkrigg should be wear you learned about it 22:41:31 cpressey: man i worked to find that image 22:41:35 all for nothing 22:41:36 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Man_in_the_Moon_with_key.jpg conclusive evidence 22:41:41 such a good image though 22:41:49 elliott: er well not that image precisely -- i meant wikipedia 22:42:21 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Man_In_The_Moon2.png more evidence (also conclusive) 22:42:47 i still love how terrible that last one is 22:43:15 https://bitcoinstarter.com/ 22:43:23 concln. moon god is a terrible artist 22:43:32 Bike is that crowdfunding with bitcoins 22:43:49 project categories: NSFW 22:44:09 Starting an Adult/Porn 3D Virtual Reality company 22:44:11 bitcoinnonstarter 22:44:29 Bitcoin Mining for Local School Programs 22:44:45 I thought it was a mare in the moon 22:44:52 guys 22:44:53 ponies 22:44:57 22:45:35 im with elliott here 22:46:27 ... so it's actually written by Taneb? I'd believe that, it would explain why Taneb cared if I had read it or not. 22:47:17 cpressey: IMO the part where he said "@tell Taneb I want to RIP OUT MY OWN PANCREAS for writing 'exersize' on my tumblr" and then quit was a bit of a giveaway 22:47:43 oh, Phantom_Hoover updated his tumblr? 22:48:53 Vorpal: i don't know what 6-bit panel + FRC means, so I think it's not noticable 22:48:53 guys http://i.imgur.com/42sR2OD.png 22:49:01 i dunno elliott, i'd rip out my pancreas for that 2 22:49:07 i don't use it for anything super demanding 22:49:10 nooodl_: cute 22:49:12 nooodl_: awesome 22:49:16 i read websites and code and irc 22:49:24 it's like dumbass minesweeper 22:49:27 it's gonna get good 22:49:49 haha that owns 22:49:54 maybe i'll make something like rubicon for befunge 22:50:24 Rob Ford Crackstarter is up to $172,756 of $200,000 with 56 hours left 22:51:17 Vorpal: i don't know what 6-bit panel + FRC means, so I think it's not noticable <-- that each colour only has 64 brightness levels, and it uses "temporal dithering" to emulate a full 256 levels 22:51:31 So it quickly switches back and forth 22:51:34 what's the speed on that temporal dithering 22:51:47 I don't know, that is why I'm asking if you noticed anything 22:51:51 no i didn't 22:51:58 I did search a bit but couldn't find any speed info 22:52:07 look this is a high end Dell business monitor and it gets good reviews everywhere 22:52:09 nooodl_: what have you done and where can I purchase that 22:52:21 I don't think it's going to have some glaring flaw; I certainly haven't noticed one 22:52:53 kmc, right, but it is an expensive piece of equipment, so I'm reading multiple reviews and asking people who I know who used it before buying it 22:53:02 The quoted contrast numbers for monitors are something really absurd these days. Like this one, it says 80000000:1. 22:53:12 I'm always this careful when buying expensive electronics 22:53:42 -!- Taneb has joined. 22:54:15 nooodl_: the last time i saw something like that it was http://wimrijnders.nl/other/befunge.html but it didn't have the iconery 22:54:16 I need confirmation of a random fact I saw on Tumblr about the Finnish language 22:54:16 MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN: http://en.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1f0xmo/liberty_reserve_shut_down_for_money_laundering/ca5qix5 22:54:32 Taneb: I need the url to Phantom_Hoover's tumblr 22:54:34 What's the equivalent idiom in Finnish to "fits like a glove"? 22:54:42 Koen_, taneb.tumblr.com 22:54:46 what 22:54:59 no there was "phantom" and "hooover" in it I'm sure 22:55:21 Wait 22:55:26 That's my Tumblr 22:55:30 Try sgeo.tumblr.com 22:55:52 you're scaring me 22:57:01 Hmm 22:57:40 ack, do you all have tumblrs now? 22:57:59 sgeo.tumblr.com is genuinely mine. 22:58:57 Phantom_Hoover: what was the point of that link 22:59:17 making fun of people 22:59:17 Taneb: Fits like a (fist in the (eye|face)|nose in the face). 22:59:26 Taneb: thanks now I know hot to break out of a ziptie 22:59:28 oh sweet is that real 22:59:29 it was the latest update in the "MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN" series 22:59:31 fizzie, wow, Tumblr was right 22:59:33 imo beautiful language 22:59:58 Phantom_Hoover: i take this to mean you are mocking the content of this channel 23:00:13 cpressey, this channel is on topic about once a fortnight now 23:00:14 uh 23:00:15 no 23:00:26 i'm mocking the content of /r/bitcoin 23:00:49 Taneb: Though I'm not sure the connotations are quite "fits like a glove", it's more like "this thing is well suited to the place it's in or the use it is put to", or some-such. But it's an idiom, anyway. 23:00:51 ok, that works 23:01:12 fizzie, same with "fits like a glove" 23:01:35 fits like a glove in your nose 23:02:09 Taneb, not really, fits like a glove is mostly referring to actual physical fitting 23:02:53 Phantom_Hoover, really? I rarely hear it used non-ironically for that 23:02:58 you think? i wouldn't say so, phantom 23:03:10 'he fits that job like a glove' or w/e 23:03:33 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:03:35 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:03:47 Fits like a glaive. 23:03:58 -!- nooodl has joined. 23:03:59 i'll go with PH here, every use of 'fits like a glove' that i can think of outside apparel sounds weird to me right now 23:04:40 the director's use of bach as background music for this scene fits like a glove 23:04:57 im sure lots of things fit like gloves 23:05:03 toe socks, for instance 23:05:12 or are those more like finger mittens 23:06:03 the german word for "glove" is "Handschuh" 23:06:13 i've run out of IRC 23:06:14 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: leaving). 23:06:28 what's a handsock then? 23:06:30 The Finnish word for glove is "hanska". 23:06:44 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 23:07:17 Or perhaps "hansikas" if you feel formal, but that contraction is quite common. 23:07:31 the english word for glove is "glove" didn't I just blow your mind? 23:07:34 wikipedia says "käsine" 23:07:36 as well 23:07:43 Well, okay, that too. 23:07:48 "käsi" would be "hand". 23:09:12 What would be Finnish for Handshoe? 23:10:20 "käsineen" is either "with his/her/its hands" or the possessive form "glove's". 23:10:35 Thanks to the comitative case. 23:10:43 (Which has a -ne suffix.) 23:10:59 I can't decide whether I'm sad or happy than french dropped declinations 23:11:02 Plural third person singular comitative, or something. 23:11:14 Er, s/singular // 23:11:18 is plural singular a thing in finnish? 23:11:22 No. :( 23:11:31 Koen_, I'm pretty sure Finnish has more declensions than anyone else 23:11:39 Or, actually, that was right. 23:11:59 fizzie, do native Finnish speakers do all these messed up endings instinctively? 23:12:01 It's the plural for hand, singular for whose hands it is. 23:12:20 Taneb, but do they concatenate words like German and Dutch? 23:12:36 Koen_, I believe they concatenate word endings 23:12:39 Taneb: Yes, which makes it kind of hard to actually think about them. 23:12:57 fizzie, would it be like me thinking about how "bough" is pronounced? 23:13:07 Perhaps. 23:13:24 Hint: it rhymes with sow and bow, not sow and bow 23:13:34 Taneb: well technically french does that too. "feminine plural" forms are usually the masculine singular form, followed by the feminine ending, followed by the plural ending 23:13:44 s/h so/h se/ 23:14:00 no, i like it better how it is 23:14:34 The plural of goose is geese, the plural of moose is... 23:14:35 moose 23:14:49 meese 23:14:51 mice 23:15:16 All other languages are weird because they take one thing and stick with it 23:15:21 Doing the comitative for multiple hands for all the six (first, second, third) person (singular, plural) choices doesn't really come out all that instinctively, actually. It's not exactly all that common. 23:15:29 English is weird because we did the exact opposite 23:15:54 english is really not weird for having exceptions to grammatical rules 23:17:24 Käsineni, käsinesi, käsineen, käsinemme, käsinenne, käsineen. Maybe. 23:17:28 are you really saying that French follows rules without exceptions 23:17:33 are you really saying that? 23:17:41 Koen_, French isn't that weird, most of the time 23:18:14 i mean for example look at the conjugation of the copula in any language with it 23:18:24 shit's whack 23:18:36 English has at least seven different ways of forming the plural 23:18:37 the plural of hibou is hiboux, the plural of chou is choux, the plural of caillou is cailloux, etc... but actually most -ou words have plural -ous 23:18:42 `words --finnish 10 23:18:45 myynivisittamisse kiehätäislamme monistavimmaksenäjä kysyttämista verbeilevimme eteetta laamalle kullaanne huuteeltäni sykkäymiimme 23:19:11 the plural for cheval is chevaux, the plural for animal is animaux, but actually most -al words have plural -als 23:19:12 "monistavimmat": those who copy things the most, approx. 23:19:22 Taneb, don't you know latin... 23:19:34 With the "xerox" sense of copy. 23:20:17 Phantom_Hoover, at least with Latin it doesn't lull you into a false sense of security with "all words use -s as the plural" 23:20:29 Taneb: right now I'm not even sure whether the correct plural is "corails" or "coraux" 23:21:04 i think out of all scientists i feel the most sorry for linguists because they get this crap all the time 23:21:34 Then years later "Oh, this word stays the same in the plural. This word changes its vowel sound. This word gains three letters. This changes its final consonant sounds and gets an s. This chages to an -i. This changes to an -ae. This changes to an -a. This changes to an -odes." 23:21:50 right like that 23:22:11 Sorry, pluralization makes me angry. 23:22:30 i'm just sayin', everything's terrible 23:36:41 On another not entirely 23:36:51 Has anyone told cpressey about the Hexham coincidence 23:39:41 are we sure he can handle it 23:41:46 elliott, could you handle it, when you found out? 23:41:51 I certainly couldn't 23:45:07 http://angelhack.com/ elliott make fun of this, i'm too lazy 23:45:25 you can try solving the LEET HACKER puzzle on http://angelhacknyc.eventbrite.com/ for a free ticket (worth $75) 23:46:17 kmc: fuck fuck fuck poop poop poop shit and their grammar is wrong 23:47:27 this is the big leagues 23:47:32 kmc: where is this puzzle 23:47:49 i don't see the puzzle. is the puzzle finding the puzzle under all this crap 23:48:01 "Free Developer Ticket Code:" 23:48:11 "Previous winners include: Microryza, Osper, Testlio, TapFame, WeFunder, Kloutron, & Airpost" n ever heard of any of these and they sound like dr seuss characters 23:48:31 Microryza is like a KICKSTARTER for SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH 23:48:32 is that. fucking binary 23:49:11 Osper is a BANK for CHILDREN 23:49:19 Testlio is an ODESK for SOFTWARE TESTING 23:49:38 i don't know what odesk is either 23:49:40 this is hard kmc 23:49:50 A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt – learn more. ok well osper's looking good 23:49:53 TapFame is a DESIGN PORTFOLIO for MOBILE APP DEVELOPMENT 23:50:01 kloutron is a ROBOT for KLOUT 23:50:08 WeFunder is a KICKSTARTER for STARTUPS 23:50:10 really 23:50:12 lol 23:50:15 what 23:50:19 a kickstarter for kickstarter clones 23:50:37 holy fuck these are actual descriptions 23:50:56 apparently barack obama has 99 klout 23:51:04 #esoteric is like an IRC CHANNEL for PEOPLE 23:51:04 Nothing here 23:51:05 which makes me wonder what the fuck you need to do to get 100 klout 23:51:06 KlouTron is an EXERCISE GAME for IPAD 23:51:07 be god?? 23:51:25 "Can photons whisper loud enough to detect cancer?" darn and here i was thinking microryza might be a good idea 23:51:44 "Physical experience of emotion: an early marker of Parkinson's Disease?" what on earth 23:51:52 what 23:52:02 god knows academia is a fucking broken system but i don't think this is gonna help 23:52:19 "Do coal and diesel trains make for unhealthy air?" 23:52:31 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:53:02 haha the photon one turns out to be "Micro-optical sensor for cancer screening" when you actually click on it 23:53:24 i like the idea of doing a kickstarter on actual kickstarter to build a kickstarter clone for kickstarting more kickstarter clones 23:54:08 `run words --english 20 | ghc -e 'interact (unlines . map reverse . lines)' | hyphenate.fi | ghc -e 'interact (unlines . map reverse . lines)' 23:54:13 kickstartest, we'll call it 23:54:19 Unknown option: english 23:54:26 `run words 20 | ghc -e 'interact (unlines . map reverse . lines)' | hyphenate.fi | ghc -e 'interact (unlines . map reverse . lines)' 23:54:35 that's p. angocentric, words 23:54:37 myt-e frig-en-der klot-tiav-y-ap cet-en raj-har mow dub-ett kak-kan wes-sem-ba che gjre fran-tit-u mes-us-son mal-ted seil mon-a the an-nin-el depl kan 23:55:18 klottiavyap doesn't seem very english 23:55:49 `run bash: /etc/motd: No such file or directory 23:57:03 klottiavyapstarter 23:57:21 `run words 10 # "--eng-1M" is what the default option is called. 23:57:25 acea trulari zemlie advanging tjieux elekt war zimummunearnam pure portulant 23:57:41 aw none of you solved the puzzle, that undercuts my plan to make fun of how easy it is 23:57:42 The Tomb of Zimummunearnam. 23:58:41 The esolangs name generation of `words tends to work unreasonably well, every time I've used it. 23:58:42 kmc: i id those in middle school man 23:58:44 i'm too elite now 23:58:53 e1337 rather