s to your page to make the presentation work properly 16:25:40 even though CSS is meant to divorce styling from structure 16:25:41 Why 4.01 Strict? 16:25:48 shachaf: I'm not sure 16:25:59 I guess it seemed more appropriate than Transitional because I was writing from scratch 16:26:05 and newer revisions hadn't been approved yet 16:26:35 I always wonder why web designers proclaim the new liberating and platform-independent ways of CSS while complaining that their new layouts are always a couple of pixels off. 16:28:41 Jafet: I don't have that complaint 16:28:51 I complain that what I need to do to make it not a couple of pixels off is ridiculously stupid 16:29:12 I've actually got a "fix" in mind 16:29:34 an extension to CSS which lets you do "width:100%-2em-8px", or whatever 16:29:50 together with a preprocessor for CSS+HTML that goes and adds all the necessary extra divs and floats and clears and so on to make that actually work 16:30:00 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:30:07 in notation the rest of the browser world understands 16:30:14 * oerjan needs to get a proper computer desk _soon_ 16:30:24 Someone has probably already done that IN NODE.JS 16:31:10 Jafet: that's almost as bad as doing it in jquery 16:31:20 i vaguely recall my laptop wasn't too hot for my lap back when i first got it :( 16:31:31 (I don't really know what NODE.JS does.) 16:31:34 (actually I ended up resorting to jquery to generate some of the wrappers at runtime; this thing is so heavily javascript anyway, that I don't feel bad about using JS for layout) 16:31:46 Jafet: it's basically a library for writing servers 16:31:54 so, server-side javascript 16:32:02 just like you have server-side perl or php or asp or whatever 16:32:45 Oh, that sounds like a good idea. Now you only need to hire javascript programmers. 16:34:32 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: The ribbit). 16:38:04 Jafet: please tell me that was a joke 16:38:16 I didn't come up with that one 16:42:32 -!- olsner has joined. 16:43:45 meh... I guess that means the internet is still not fixed, merely back to intermittently working after reliably not working at all 16:48:49 ais523: hi 16:48:58 ais523: does ubuntu's upgrader thing handle upgrading via ssh 16:49:26 elliott: I have upgraded (in the sense of "applied updates" not in the sense of "distro upgrade") over ssh before now 16:49:47 sometimes it warns you it's going to drop the connection, then drops the connection 16:49:57 but it's always come back up again so far 16:50:15 I don't know about a distro upgrade, but I assume it could work 16:50:27 because it's just a regular upgrade with the dependency rules changed 16:50:28 I mean upgrading a distro version 16:50:38 ais523: right but I mean if it upgrades sshd or something in the middle 16:50:40 that sounds quite bad 16:50:48 because it would presumably kill the updater 16:51:05 you'd probably want to nohup the updater just to be sure 16:51:16 or use screen, which is like nohup except more interactive 16:54:15 Why are you contemplating using an updater that can't handle failures 16:56:22 Jafet: my experience with apt+dpkg is that it's normally very good at giving you paths to recover from failures 16:56:28 but what those paths are aren't always obvious 16:56:47 also, they need around 400 kilobytes of free disk space to work correctly, over the amount needed for the actual packages 16:57:45 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:02:09 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:02:22 ~metar CYUL 17:02:22 CYUL 311600Z 22013KT 15SM FEW150 SCT230 28/20 A2997 RMK AC1CI2 TCU TR SLP147 DENSITY ALT 1600FT 17:02:51 hm. not so bad, except for the TCU. 17:03:05 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:03:05 -!- Koen_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:03:13 -!- Koen_ has joined. 17:06:37 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 17:07:38 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:13:20 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 17:15:49 -!- olsner has joined. 17:16:48 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:22:32 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:33:07 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:33:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:33:30 * oerjan finally gets around to logread the infamous interview 17:33:55 oerjan: don't worry. it went jsvine. 17:33:56 get it 17:33:56 (it is infamous, right? i would expect nothing less.) 17:34:15 * oerjan swats elliott confirmingly -----### 17:34:46 * boily unleashes some high-energy cephalopod on elliott 17:35:49 -!- ais523 has quit. 17:36:02 we should transcribe the II into something similar to http://zompist.com/andalou.htm, with nice colours and stuff and sparkles and glitter. 17:36:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:43:50 -!- sprocklem has joined. 17:51:21 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:56:54 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:15:51 `addquote elliott: it's not so much that I've failed, just that I have not yet succeeded 18:15:56 1043) elliott: it's not so much that I've failed, just that I have not yet succeeded 18:21:41 @quote Ngevd 18:21:41 No quotes match. You untyped fool! 18:21:46 @quote Taneb 18:21:47 Taneb says: lens has got to be the only library with more contributors than people who know how it works 18:21:55 @quote Taneb 18:21:56 Taneb says: @let ego x y z = x z $ y z @let superego x y = x 18:22:04 @quote Taneb 18:22:05 Taneb says: @let ego x y z = x z $ y z @let superego x y = x 18:22:07 @quote Taneb 18:22:08 Taneb says: @let ego x y z = x z $ y z @let superego x y = x 18:22:08 @quote Taneb 18:22:09 Taneb says: @let ego x y z = x z $ y z @let superego x y = x 18:22:10 @quote Taneb 18:22:10 Taneb says: lens has got to be the only library with more contributors than people who know how it works 18:22:12 :/ 18:22:24 I need to say more funny things on channels that aren't this one 18:23:04 `run quote Taneb | head --lines=1 18:23:06 389) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement 18:23:09 `run quote Taneb | head --lines=1 18:23:11 389) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement 18:23:19 `run quote Taneb | shuffle | head --lines=1 18:23:21 bash: shuffle: command not found 18:23:25 :( 18:23:37 `randquote Taneb 18:23:38 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: randquote: not found 18:23:44 hm... 18:23:51 `run ls bin/*quot* 18:23:52 `ls bin 18:23:53 bin/addquote \ bin/allquotes \ bin/delquote \ bin/pastaquote \ bin/pastenquotes \ bin/pastequotes \ bin/quote \ bin/quotes 18:23:54 ! \ ? \ @ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ CaT \ define \ delquote \ e \ emmental \ emoclew \ emptylist \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ gaseen \ gccrun \ google \ h \ ?h \ h! \ hatesgeo \ hello \ ?hh \ hyfinate \ hyphenate.fi \ instalist \ interp \ it \ joustre 18:24:10 oh well 18:24:14 `run ls bin | paste 18:24:21 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14197 18:24:34 `quote Taneb 18:24:36 389) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement \ 395) Cut to February War were declared A galaxy in turmoil Anyway, Febuary '10 \ 396) I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer \ 402) There's that saying that the definition of insani 18:25:08 `run quote Taneb | shuf 18:25:09 417) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry \ 945) did you know that likes follow you around the internet and steal your browser? I thought that wa 18:25:34 `run quote Taneb | shuf | head --lines=1 18:25:37 438) I combined the wholegrain breakfast and chocolatey breakfast for maximum breakfast efficiency 18:25:44 `run quote oerjan | shuf | head --lines=1 18:25:47 601) elliott: it occurs to me that `? welcome is atypical: its information is actually true. 18:26:28 `run quote Taneb | shuf -n 1 18:26:30 1005) I've also pretended to be Queen Elizabeth the first, but that was a desperate plea for attention 18:27:02 Most of my quotes are actually true 18:27:06 `run echo 'quote $1 | shuf | head --lines=1' > bin/randquote 18:27:10 No output. 18:27:22 `run chmod +x bin/randquote 18:27:26 No output. 18:27:30 `randquote Taneb 18:27:32 396) I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer 18:27:55 `randquote nooodl 18:27:57 No output. 18:28:21 i disapprove of the lack of escaping 18:28:42 i disapprove of "--lines" 18:28:50 and indeed of using head at all 18:28:53 `run echo 'quote "$@" | shuf -n 1' > bin/randquote 18:28:56 No output. 18:28:59 THEN WE AGREE 18:29:05 shuf -n?? whoa 18:29:07 `randquote elliott 18:29:09 849) elliott: sorry, i don't know, some more booze and now, if you eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat! contains exactly the items! 18:29:54 -!- Bike_ has joined. 18:30:12 i also disapprove of the lack of the shebang 18:30:14 eat all the items 18:30:21 elliott: why 18:30:41 `randquote breakfast 18:30:43 438) I combined the wholegrain breakfast and chocolatey breakfast for maximum breakfast efficiency 18:30:48 `randquote cereal 18:30:50 417) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry 18:30:59 `run sed -i '1i#!/bin/bash' bin/randquote 18:31:02 nooodl_: beacuse it's broken 18:31:02 No output. 18:31:05 `quote breakfast 18:31:07 417) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry \ 438) I combined the wholegrain breakfast and chocolatey breakfast for maximum breakfast efficiency \ 685) `quote 685 18:31:15 `cat bin/randquote 18:31:16 #!/bin/bash \ quote "$@" | shuf -n 1 18:31:17 685) elliott: to be honest, it doesn't exist in a state of almost perpetual stalemate, and expands to a larger board and more exotic collection of what he refers to as a thermal hull, instead of some kind of clock pun. no, dammit, will this breakfast injure his shrill, bearded, scraggly old men in space. jade's radioactive, omnipotent, spa 18:31:22 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:31:23 "`randquote name" seemed to work 18:31:29 how is it broken 18:31:42 (was) 18:31:50 there are more ways to run things than just from a shell 18:32:12 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 18:33:22 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:33:25 would randquote ever be invoked by anything but that though 18:39:57 nooodl_: some day someone will build a distributed random quote AI system, and it will call randquote from python hth. 18:55:28 hm ctrl-click in my browser is briefly showing something resembling a terminal window 18:56:12 `randquote boily 18:56:14 935) not only there is no God, but try to find an APL keyboard on Sunday. 18:56:27 `randquote dongs 18:56:29 No output. 18:56:55 was there anybody ever named dongs here? 18:57:09 ~duck mung 18:57:09 Green gram, a kind of legume, grown for food in British India; called also gram, mung bean, Chinese mung bean, and green-seeded mung bean. 18:57:24 `randquote cocks 18:57:25 589) COCKS [...] truly cocks 19:00:40 ~duck verily 19:00:40 verily definition: in truth. 19:01:50 ~duck muchly 19:01:50 more, most Great in quantity, degree, or extent: not much rain; much affection. 19:03:22 ~duck munch 19:03:22 Norwegian artist whose works include etchings, lithographs, and paintings, such as The Scream and Frieze of Life. 19:03:56 * oerjan munches on the scream 19:04:46 with a cup of tea and some fternooners on the side? 19:05:53 screaming fternooners 19:17:55 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 19:23:09 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:24:55 A rough recording of an idea from today. http://johan.kiviniemi.name/music/ion-20130531.flac 19:28:01 -!- sprocklem has joined. 19:36:25 -!- asie98 has joined. 19:36:29 hi 19:36:44 so i was so bored that i decided to waste a day on configuring a pentium mmx machine 19:37:00 it works quite well, the only problem is lack of ram (16mb)... but my friend has a socket 7 mobo with more ram slots 19:45:57 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:48:53 does anyone know anything about current e-readers 19:48:55 Gregor??? 19:50:55 elliott, I know someone who's selling a nook 19:55:00 elliott: I have a trusty kobo. it works. 19:58:11 -!- asie98 has changed nick to a98SiE. 19:58:32 -!- comex` has changed nick to comex. 20:02:25 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 20:03:58 @ask cpressey http://catseye.tc/images/xyzzy/kola-kola-koski-flub-flub-flub.jpg <-- why was that a flub it looks correct to me 20:03:58 Consider it noted. 20:05:45 @ask cpressey what the fungot is that. 20:05:45 Consider it noted. 20:05:59 oh hm. where is fungot, now? 20:06:08 fizzie: FUNGOT! 20:06:45 unfound, got no fungot 20:08:12 -!- ogrom has joined. 20:09:11 i hope this brief terminal-resembling popup on every new tab opening isn't some malware 20:09:42 since i just installed windows updates, i'm going to assume it's just a "feature" of one of them 20:09:45 hey maybe we can get oerjan to switch to linux >:) 20:10:18 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 20:13:21 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:14:54 running windows 98se right now, your argument is invalid 20:18:33 oh øøøøørjaaaan ♪ come to the penguin side of the force ♪ 20:21:23 that is the worst song i have ever heard 20:23:15 -!- a98SiE has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:25:27 -!- sprocklem has joined. 20:34:59 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 20:37:52 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:38:17 -!- Lymia has joined. 20:38:17 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 20:38:17 -!- Lymia has joined. 20:41:37 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:45:22 -!- impomatic has joined. 20:49:20 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:50:48 -!- sprocklem has joined. 20:50:50 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:58:17 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:12:13 * impomatic just booked tickets for the Silicon Dreams Festival :-) http://www.silicondreams.org.uk 21:16:06 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 21:19:18 * oerjan determines the offending popup was java's ssvagent.exe 21:24:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:31:29 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 21:33:49 -!- augur has joined. 21:33:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Ribbit). 21:40:51 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:44:40 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 21:58:11 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 21:59:24 -!- wood has changed nick to variable. 21:59:26 -!- variable has quit (Changing host). 21:59:26 -!- variable has joined. 22:02:22 -!- itsy has joined. 22:03:35 -!- impomatic has quit (*.net *.split). 22:03:35 -!- boily has quit (*.net *.split). 22:10:43 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:19:58 -!- boily has joined. 22:27:14 is it ever actually practical to use an integer exponentiation algorithm fancier than binary decomposition 22:28:48 Probably only if you're using infinite precision numbers. 22:28:58 -!- comex has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:29:19 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:32:33 81891^49999990 takes no time at all mod a billion and i don't even have 64-bit immediates 22:32:46 -!- fungot has joined. 22:32:50 There you: go. 22:32:59 hi fungot 22:33:00 Bike: except that my scheme skills are somewhat lacking, i haven't done this in a higher-level language 22:33:19 -!- comex has joined. 22:49:12 -!- mnoqy has joined. 22:55:28 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 22:55:55 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:02:31 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:05:40 -!- pikhq has joined. 23:06:06 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:09:39 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:19:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: I have a hunch my laptop does not have very long left). 23:23:58 pikhq, have you ever looked at REBOL? 23:25:39 Sgeo: Nah. 23:27:09 You should, I think. I think of it a bit as a Tcl with better data types 23:27:43 Not operating on code as a string 23:31:32 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 23:43:40 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 23:51:37 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 23:53:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSnnfUj1XCQ 23:58:07 -!- zzo38 has joined. 23:58:57 The end of that video is beautiful