< 1371686467 508100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really should know better than to get involved in Git Vs Darcs < 1371686469 860863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even care really < 1371686530 904888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you seriously in a channel where there are people who like darcs < 1371686535 41136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on you're practically in #haskell already < 1371686551 544066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371686598 273444 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371686620 25126 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1371686798 787056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of non-eso languages that by their nature don't have keywords? < 1371686862 323337 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371686937 43586 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1371686959 349054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl and Rebol don't count as esolangs I think < 1371686965 230001 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1371687460 322736 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371687508 813458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but they're talked about so much in #esoteric... < 1371687540 822352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Haskell < 1371687550 978932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1371687554 78681 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1371687555 618418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1371687556 238280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably more than Tcl and Rebol combined < 1371687583 137923 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows haskell is JUST PLAIN WEIRD AND CRAZY and only for special people -gags & vomit- < 1371687597 621793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: am i special < 1371687606 731850 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is special, shachaf < 1371687622 238274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is haskell for everyone < 1371687704 458222 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371687721 667899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for photographers............................. < 1371687751 173732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should make a version of MS-DOS which runs on a cluster of computers < 1371687782 214985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1371687786 212023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey i thought of another great reason you should be in #haskell < 1371687794 948659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :waits for what < 1371687795 994237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "distributed DOS" < 1371687799 30374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371687804 536587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't use (#)haskell but you still go on about it a lot < 1371687808 364072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect demographic fit < 1371687811 310670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371687813 716028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that much really < 1371687818 879553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep bringing it up here............................. < 1371687825 665924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think how much more you could complain about #haskell if you were in it < 1371687832 233888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't seem bitter because it'd be present tense! < 1371687891 212994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc could seem bitter while handing out candy < 1371687891 430639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's a talent" hth < 1371687891 430846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1371687894 875133 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1371687901 96445 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1371687901 277761 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1371687913 501415 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1371687927 592349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by candy do you mean drugz < 1371687935 327339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna get me some of kmc's "candy" < 1371687945 939447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain candy < 1371687973 570156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you gotta move to ca to have kmc be your dealer < 1371687977 205838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did i mention caleskell is gone....... < 1371687991 94140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he doesn't do interstate commerce < 1371688006 193329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is everything is interstate commerce) < 1371688006 923548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :attn kmc and/or other californians < 1371688008 882840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:26:03 http://www.california-roleplay.org/ < 1371688041 721396 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1371688053 654270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:26:03 -!- badzavrza [~badzavrza@178-221-29-105.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] < 1371688053 836594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how my connection dropped for 10 seconds after pasting that first line < 1371688066 529001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only kmc was in #haskell so he'd hear about california roleplay 1st hand < 1371688085 909729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know augustss has been in #haskell recently........ < 1371688088 220518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of croatian people pretending to be in california??? < 1371688090 362020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cool < 1371688093 725013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:26 -!- badzavrza [~badzavrza@178-221-29-105.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] < 1371688099 293628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1371688114 296592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair elliott's timestamp is wrong < 1371688129 235651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not as kool as kmc....... < 1371688153 363344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to think of three words starting with k that i could use to describe kmc's hypothetical haskell presence in haskell so i can turn them into an acronym < 1371688174 726541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fix the words < 1371688182 982159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw important question........... < 1371688193 171578 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :LRk < 1371688193 391097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like /usr/share/dict/words except with "lots of good metadata" about the words < 1371688197 193115 :LRk!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1371688199 533076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1371688207 764486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn metadata < 1371688209 523021 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "metadata" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1371688209 704501 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :metadata < 1371688209 704674 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: data about data; "a library catalog is metadata because it < 1371688209 704823 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : describes publications" < 1371688210 915284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like adjective/verb/whatever, tense/whatever, number of syllables, stress, ........ < 1371688215 394884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordnet < 1371688216 568945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i mean < 1371688222 450007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that < 1371688226 366590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily searchable < 1371688232 4693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a command line wordnet tool < 1371688356 164607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :command lion < 1371688358 615542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roar" < 1371688461 248742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look! At the picture. See! The skull. The part of bone removed. The master race Frankenstein radio controls. < 1371688506 487846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:31:16 --- join: fwe (~ssjsj@31.205.67.235) joined #haskell < 1371688516 649864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:31:18 i was in project that was failing and as a result got my probation period extended. they said my programming skills were not that good. < 1371688519 674930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however an expert programmer was brought in and the project is still failing. the project manager and i had had an argument and that is why he tried to sabotage me. do you feel the boss knows the truth now? < 1371688523 659316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: look what you're missing!!! < 1371688547 637142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371688585 479606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if only we had more ops on their toes, ready to ban the trolls etc < 1371688609 873887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh's messing up all the lines with this terminal is so awful that i copied that from the tunes logs......... < 1371688613 531641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo rewrite mosh in haskell < 1371688634 123321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo rewrite haskell in mosh < 1371688636 137540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1371688642 73931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now we're talking about php help < 1371688657 998157 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Pot-o-Gold.aspx I saw this the other day < 1371688663 914997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"type conversion in PHP" < 1371688665 280988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you really think the "##crypto experience" is better than "the #haskell" experience < 1371688703 833937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of aim heckers in #haskell, if you know what i mean < 1371688710 900372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean that people complain about php in #haskell a lot) < 1371688723 866079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: haha great < 1371688941 242441 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1371689080 846430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also monochrom said he misses you once < 1371689101 94982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's not a good reason to join #haskell (alt. any channel monochrom is in) then i don't know what is < 1371689137 470922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more reasons to join #haskell: prevents anyone from having the thought "maybe if i murder kmc they'll shut up about him joining #haskell in #esoteric" < 1371689198 125827 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: unsafeCoerce? < 1371689228 155129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:52:21 always trust monochrom after you have asked him to double-check and he has confirmed < 1371689241 465458 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I... have no idea >_< I don't know haskell < 1371689263 34114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WordNet also has an API. < 1371689265 969339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: unsafeCoerce is like reinterpret_cast. < 1371689290 544837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You should learn Haskell! < 1371689381 705997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not know anything about phonology, though. < 1371689402 945419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned haskell before for class... kind of... < 1371689525 367935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they teach haskell in classes now?? < 1371689570 214711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... our compilers class used haskell, mostly, so the professor taught us a bit of it < 1371689578 473520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are a couple free pronunciation dictionaries of different size, but none of those I know about collect other sort of mettadatta.) < 1371689619 634484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which compilers class < 1371689626 782905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh wait pseudonym never mind" < 1371689642 466574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont be a dick < 1371689678 40919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1371689723 970803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop phrasing things in esoterese. < 1371689753 282136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... actually wait, I think it was the programming languages class? < 1371689779 861111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is well-suited for compilers at least, so it's a fairly good setting to encounter it in < 1371689790 521337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez it was three years ago now >_< < 1371689857 477390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it was we did do some compiler-making in it, like stuff with inheritance and type checking and super basic optimization < 1371689865 235751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell pattern matching was like amazing for it < 1371689874 338779 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write a peephole optimizer by pattern-matching against instruction sequences < 1371689880 71815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three years ago i was 14........... yikes < 1371689880 504111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our compiler class: used Java; and compiled: "MiniJava"; which has as a single lexical token the string "System.out.println". < 1371689894 215859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice < 1371689923 759114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could match against (mul x 2) and turn it into (add x x) type of thing < 1371690005 403131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Statement ::= "System.out.println" "(" Expression ")" ";". < 1371690032 362722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i do a simple peephole optimiser it always feels like i'm not really doing optimisation because it's too simple :( < 1371690034 280082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The type of Expression must also be "int".) < 1371690071 111930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is x+x or x*2 actually faster in general with today's cpus(tm)? I have no idea < 1371690076 110867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume the latter, but < 1371690079 989699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realise it was just an example) < 1371690098 422681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also: MainClass ::= "class" Identifier "{" "public" "static" "void" "main" "(" "String" "[" "]" Identifier ")" "{" Statement "}" "}". < 1371690128 130178 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add is typically 1 cycle latency and can issue on every pipe, so 0.25/0.33/0.5 inverse throughput depending on the CPU? < 1371690130 967671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of those things ("public", "static", "String") have any sort of more proper significance. They're just... strings. < 1371690142 664654 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply kind of ranges but like... it usually can only issue once per cycle and it has higher latency so it's like... 3/1, 4/1, 5/1 ish? < 1371690155 201998 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it kind of makes sense that adds are a lot easier than multiplies < 1371690177 339948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1371690185 30563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the interview ever get published or anything? < 1371690191 847977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: But do they deal with immediate 2 in any sort of special way? (Perhaps not, since it's the sort of thing you'd expect tools to do.) < 1371690192 30458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what 0.25/0.33/0.5 inverse throughput actually means :( > 1371690451 140051 JOIN :#esoteric > 1371690455 250700 JOIN :#esoteric > 1371690455 762046 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371690459 804243 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1371690465 824005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371690467 163012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually I think other things tend to be the bottleneck for cycle length? < 1371690471 800145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, atom has only two execution pipes < 1371690475 915719 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't possibly do more than two adds < 1371690492 571558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Intel microarchitecture code name Sandy Bridge, the low 64-bit result of a 128-bit multiply is ready to use in 3 cycles and the high 64-bit result is ready one cycle after the low 64-bit result. -- In a dependent chain of addition of integers wider than 128-bits, accessing the high 64-bits result of the multiply should be delayed relative to the low 64-bit multiply result for optimal ... < 1371690495 553787 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so usually every execution pipe can do at least the most simple things < 1371690498 582779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... software pipelining." < 1371690502 676116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a proper optimizing compiler must be the best job. < 1371690607 165899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from agner's little chart thing, various CPUs doing 32x32->32 multiplies: bulldozer: 4/2 sandy bridge: 3/1 original p4: 14/4.5 prescott: 10/2.5 atom: 5/2 < 1371690699 954452 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing on the haswell add thing, like, I just remember hearing that they added a 4th execution pipe for super-simple-things-only, to handle like, jumps and loop overhead and stuff while the others handle big things like simd operations? < 1371690737 55250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kind of a... half-pipe... (ba-dum tssh) < 1371690774 779463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1371690789 156808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some kind of a snow ski thing, right? < 1371690798 577855 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so it's like a skateboarding thing? < 1371690808 45897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because my little brother was really, really into tony hawk's pro skater < 1371690818 323065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ski Or Die had a half-pipe event. < 1371690818 859062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's settle on snowboarding hth < 1371690835 710397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tony hawk's games obsoleted actual skateboarding < 1371690843 336540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_or_Die <- Snowboard Halfpipe is like right there in the article image. < 1371690857 955654 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now intel has like, 7 execution pipes < 1371690969 620416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When a girl start giving a guy head but then decides to stop/leave before the guy blows his load. -- She stoped giving me head before I cames and she left. All I got was a half-pipe." thanks, urban dictionary. < 1371690976 971348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "stoped". < 1371690985 376486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you stoped at the red light? < 1371691031 430381 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.csanl.com.br/alunos/paginas/2012/7a/f7a14/Image%209.jpg < 1371691033 312014 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's that thing < 1371691039 14524 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but um I guess this is kind of off topic < 1371691064 927838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how, it was a logical consequence of whatever came before. < 1371691273 391083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current method of half pipe cutting is by use of a Zaugg Pipe Monster." okay that's it time to sleep it's 4:20am < 1371691320 68425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc alert < 1371691327 567248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(drugz joke) < 1371691344 957530 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for explaining. Thexplaining. < 1371691358 458840 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1371691528 238105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed microarchitecture because i was cleaning my bathroom :'( < 1371691537 176265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly the Zaugg Pipe Monster was enough of a drugz joke already.) < 1371691587 763479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's ok it was just me not knowing basic things!!! < 1371691627 339931 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1371691639 402156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned from 6.004 that there are lots of different ways you can structure an adder < 1371691646 604544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the goal of minimizing gate delay < 1371691653 877289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they probably have settled on one by now < 1371691698 475972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the naive adder takes O(# bits) to settle down; the last gate can't start settling before it gets the carry from the previous < 1371691732 408168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long until the transistors are small enough to just hardcode all the results < 1371691749 398513 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1371691752 110163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can we have 3d cube cpus, that would be cool < 1371691766 186098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The problem for marketers is that some users set their browsers to reject cookies or quickly extinguish them. And mobile phones, which are taking an increasing chunk of the Web usage, do not use cookies." < 1371691766 989141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can make a "carry select" adder where you do the last half of the addition twice in parallel, once assuming carry 0, once assuming carry 1 < 1371691768 327795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we can talk more about it and stuff! < 1371691769 132380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate everyone. < 1371691773 149055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/06/17/the-web-cookie-is-dying-heres-the-creepier-technology-that-comes-next/ < 1371691778 274677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the actual carry just selects between those < 1371691800 104010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so a good archticeture is like an unbalanced tree of this idea recursively < 1371691823 354666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing though that the bottleneck in current chips is often things like "select the oldest instructions whose input dependencies are satisfied from this queue of 36 instructions" and things like that? and I guess maybe like cache loads and stuff? < 1371691831 472938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, OOE logic and things < 1371691841 119058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really dumb question: why are chips flat < 1371691857 101012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they have 3d internal structure but it's all really small? < 1371691864 162919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone please tell me where "mobile phones do not use cookies" come from? < 1371691866 75496 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because of the way lithography works, isn't it? < 1371691870 929828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be a misunderstanding of SOMETHING < 1371691876 622925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's all about laying down layers < 1371691892 505209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they starting to do "3D" like right these days? < 1371691901 157162 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, if you wanted it 3D, you'd have to stick two silicon wafers on top of each other (?) I'm not sure < 1371691959 399525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dumb questions: wouldn't it all be a lot faster if they like, integrated the RAM with the CPU. < 1371691975 147753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the "3D" of a tri-gate transistor perhaps has nothing to do with three dimensions. How nice. < 1371692031 755545 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDRAM it's a thing! < 1371692065 448080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they actually use it in consoles and stuff < 1371692075 790277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway actual three-dimensional things are a thing too, I'm pretty sure, just not such a commercially viable thing. < 1371692084 478564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it would be, like, significantly faster? because you can skip all the communication paths and stuff < 1371692091 214606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the motherboard and all that? < 1371692094 966347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and RAM latency is kind of a big deal right < 1371692114 415940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess if they're using it in consoles and not "regular computer" CPUs it mustn't be that amazing..... (but then why are they using it in consoles) < 1371692123 837426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel has those 3D transistors now < 1371692133 324366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of RAM latency comes not from the distance but from like... < 1371692135 467829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want like a cube shape then one big obstacle is routing power and cooling < 1371692156 335995 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the logic itself? I mean like, there's a controller, which is this crazy complex thing and has to negotiate requests from multiple cores < 1371692177 626585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371692181 144703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the row/column addressing, the refreshing, and all kinds of stuff I don't really know abot < 1371692192 860836 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, DRAM itself is kind of not trivial to access? < 1371692195 348679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see a long path and think "hey, I bet lightspeed is some kind of bottleneck here in 2013" :P < 1371692206 738484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dram is complicated :'( < 1371692207 580209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Tri-gate or 3D Transistor (not to be confused with 3D microchips) fabrication is used by Intel Corporation for the nonplanar transistor architecture --" that seems to sort of imply it's not a properly "3D IC" thing. < 1371692233 487793 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(20 centimeters) / ((2 / 3) * c) = 1.00069229 nanoseconds < 1371692246 115123 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like... if the roundtripdistance is 20cm that's like... it's like only 1ns extra time from the wire? < 1371692253 926857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1371692393 489953 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the "3D" is for "3 drain"?? < 1371692406 191844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i see < 1371692423 486895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there is a trend of moving stuff closer to the cpu anyway < 1371692436 503685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah DRAM is complicated... it's funny how if you look at any two parts that are "just wired together" you find they're really two machines speaking a protocol < 1371692445 456785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this holds recursively to some depth < 1371692449 771448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually you will just buy a motherboard from intel where every part of the computer is on one big chip and all it has is USB ports < 1371692457 212908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading about just how gigantic modern DRAM controllers were, like, they used up a significant part of the silicon or something < 1371692469 31152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it hold within the CPU itself? I guess probably < 1371692471 442449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371692482 564449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to design something that big without abstractions and protocols < 1371692487 956334 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like, systems on a chip? < 1371692496 607709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the cores on a single die have to execute a cache coherence protocol right < 1371692497 983925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't they making like, an atom soc or something (?) < 1371692529 374859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1371692533 169533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something intel would do < 1371692536 179881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Someone* is making Atom SoCs, at least. < 1371692545 699965 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1371692546 275280 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371692555 439136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it competitive with ARM SoCs in any way < 1371692564 127887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_%28system_on_chip%29 < 1371692645 565521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the whole thing in _The Door Into Summer_ where he gets engaged to a 12 year old is admittedly "a bit weird".......and also there's all the sexism and all that......... < 1371692649 897564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a good book hth < 1371692658 43590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel has announced that it won't provide support for Linux on Cloverview family of Atom systems-on-a-chip" < 1371692715 352182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :system on a chip looks like that yes < 1371692952 825111 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew more about this stuff though... < 1371692976 797052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instant the bits leave the core my knowledge drops to about zero... < 1371693073 814550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instant the bits leave the screen my knowledge drops to zero < 1371693088 623243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's say "disk" instead. except i don't know anything about the disk itself < 1371693114 871798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they spin < 1371693117 283543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when they don't < 1371693145 15939 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's like magnets involved < 1371693147 4079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they don't, they just... solid around, right? < 1371693163 518583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1371693175 78087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love magnets < 1371693184 193985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have one of those disks that doesn't spin < 1371693189 354940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust it because it doesn't make noises < 1371693203 780700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have internalised that the act of storing data fundamentally requires little clicky noises < 1371693233 729137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDQOvzFetxs < 1371693616 104258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: just a quick questions if I chose to learn Haskell what are the benefits is it better the C/C++ will I be able to write dll ? or winapi etc < 1371693792 915361 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1371693936 547746 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371694122 89369 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't get it, this cnn money thing is fucking hilarious < 1371694159 156004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you join #haskell then shachaf and I won't paste you the worst of #haskell < 1371694193 593138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how shachaf doesn't talk about ##crypto in here. < 1371694193 834407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, can I sign up for that deal? < 1371694195 775601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in #haskell. < 1371694240 448110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. kmc only. < 1371694497 233690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Think you’ve evolved past your primordial urges to employ murder as a problem solving tool? Read:" < 1371694564 278445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1371694569 143784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link is http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/13/technology/alex-banayan-vc.pr.fortune/index.html if you really want to murder someone < 1371694574 72331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or want to want to murder someone, anyway < 1371694612 885393 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's just so over the top < 1371694648 275496 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "The problem for VCs lusting after 18-year-old entrepreneurs is that they themselves are usually forty- and fiftysomethings" < 1371694820 105506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'TechCrunch named it "douchebag app of the year."' <---- actual quote < 1371694838 269461 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that playbook thing is pretty terrible. < 1371694860 220171 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1371694861 25237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Fontenot told him the demand was much bigger than what Facebook could handle.' < 1371695402 765923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't miss the astroturfing in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5907253 < 1371695613 739342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1371695735 36090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex is the real deal! Never have I talked with someone and been so inspired! He has influence to source deals and has heard thousands of stories from entrepreneurs. I trust his expertise. < 1371695739 92623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I still feel like a VC is taking a big risk on a hot-shot young hustler like this. < 1371695744 490116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Venture capital is literally all about taking big risks... < 1371695748 237132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth. So in that case why aren't other VC firms bringing on young hustlers like Alex here to build relationships and scout out young founders? < 1371695767 333536 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i don't even have to open the link. you should start a VC firm for pasting things about VC firms into irc < 1371695772 852634 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot shot young hustler, jesus < 1371695795 380898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Hot shot young hustler Jesus | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1371695802 369596 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1371695889 424281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you all ready to move to startupland < 1371695891 298886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to read some more terrible things, Noisebridge is having a long argument about whether the violent guy with the "WHITE POWER" tattoo should be asked to leave https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037346.html < 1371695900 973584 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's noisebridge < 1371695915 775799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF hackerspace, prominent among hackerspaces nationally < 1371695927 94798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and world-class drama generator < 1371695936 315380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the guy with the tattoos is Robbie, and he's a nice guy. I haven't seen Robby do anything that warranted being asked to leave. Of course, Robby might be nice to me because I am one of two people who bothered to introduce themselves to him. < 1371695946 354222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all you weirdos not introducing yourself to a guy with a "white power" tattoo < 1371695959 116269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. oppressive < 1371695966 951645 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037410.html ahaha beautiful < 1371695987 588274 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :white power isn't always a racial slogan it's the rascist minds and race baiters that interpret it that way and want others to < 1371696009 996121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: good point < 1371696013 748077 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though what is this, some kind of "hackrspace" thing or < 1371696029 580093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:38:35 <+kmc> SF hackerspace, prominent among hackerspaces nationally < 1371696035 778081 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1371696038 190529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius deduction Bike < 1371696038 457688 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i missed that oops < 1371696076 987750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous episodes include: Noisebridge lost all their money and nobody knows how; Noisebridge debates whether to let someone teach a class on cooking crystal meth; Noisebridge argues about whether people should inhale nitrous oxide in the hackerspace < 1371696089 709355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god, some of these messages < 1371696098 948049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT A JEWISH GUY WITH A SWASTIKA TATTOO??? < 1371696132 796135 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh somebody ragequit < 1371696133 64357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what was that other one < 1371696134 439745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right fluoride < 1371696136 349337 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes this is good < 1371696136 554510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1371696144 685877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :person emails noisebridge about the evils of flouridation < 1371696151 472718 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see my arguments as defending a racist and I see them as defending critical thinking. < 1371696160 311951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else compares this to 9/11 trutherism facetiously < 1371696166 548158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the thread talks about 9/11 trutherism seriously for a while < 1371696182 768911 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no way that I could know how it feels to be beaten in the street for the color of my skin or know the weight of living under the burden of another groups privilege." are they like < 1371696190 347693 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we supposed to think "no, you do know that" < 1371696190 615851 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :((i*23831)>>18)*352>>5 -- can this be simplified further? < 1371696218 736175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea i will think about this question instead of continuing to read. < 1371696234 349259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never been to noisebridge "should i go y/n" < 1371696239 512474 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you could replace the end with *63>>3, couldn't you? < 1371696257 996040 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in terms of operations, not numbers < 1371696259 334496 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i guess not hm < 1371696264 712056 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about, say, < 1371696273 189774 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 352*2^18 in the multiplication < 1371696276 202021 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait you could ok < 1371696276 407053 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shifting by 25 < 1371696278 651366 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think that works < 1371696282 714416 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1371696283 252140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037482.html < 1371696285 664360 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you arrive at *63? < 1371696300 755981 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad arithmetic in my head :D < 1371696334 699308 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be *11 < 1371696348 583061 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i mean, 352 = 11*2^5, is all < 1371696366 83238 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't give the same result < 1371696375 955946 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol. < 1371696378 98350 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1371696381 617014 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i'm kind of out of it < 1371696386 17384 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, but i was thinking similar < 1371696395 532269 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,6942987((25*23831)>>18)*352>>5 < 1371696395 800254 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,694298722 < 1371696396 5647 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,6942987((25*23831)>>18)*11>>5 < 1371696396 5843 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :80,69429870 < 1371696401 367 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1371696403 946031 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean get rid of the >>5 < 1371696410 602422 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rite < 1371696436 305607 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works but i am not quite sure wh-- nm i am < 1371696436 841096 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1371696441 834439 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense man < 1371696444 517000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh++ < 1371696445 589625 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool cool < 1371696450 829978 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++wh < 1371696466 723136 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear my power, for i know basic arithmetic < 1371696473 977474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw when you move to sf are you going to get a night iphone and a day iphone < 1371696480 406370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no is that a thing < 1371696485 886898 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1371696488 303291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/my-phone/2013/03/dave-morin-path-facebook-apple < 1371696503 998308 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1371696504 533786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that thing < 1371696512 655864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is the best thing < 1371696521 795863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the little things < 1371696529 947980 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don’t use a ring of any kind on my phone. This is so that I am always on offense and never defense." < 1371696531 555482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how [case] tells you that this guy referred to his fucking iphone case as a "walnut-back" < 1371696532 932667 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1371696535 77810 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e NICK :myndzi < 1371696540 702408 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we, by any chance, going to mock this man < 1371696543 957527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :“They remind me of home and my values. The mountains are my soul.” < 1371696547 491813 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, phantom. < 1371696566 696313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :“It’s a custom-designed, one-of-a-kind bespoke app I had built for my assistant and I to communicate and collaborate through.” < 1371696580 686729 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Editors curate the most important news stories of the day and break them down into basic points, quotes, and imagery" alright i gotta check this out < 1371696585 10868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly think it must be a send-up of startup culture < 1371696587 523791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it not be < 1371696596 776447 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have to get an app for this < 1371696597 850090 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1371696776 897449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hi should i sleep < 1371696796 86800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: @msg #esoteric no < 1371696812 151612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg #esoteric yes < 1371696812 357248 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1371696815 633423 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1371696824 811956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's line text up! < 1371696835 945690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we gotta do it, Bike... < 1371696848 996621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 characters is enough < 1371696874 721441 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even notice it < 1371696876 864106 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1371696879 314713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1371696886 816696 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-] < 1371696905 443826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 if your nick is mine < 1371696915 104059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 if it's a "bad nick" < 1371696917 514778 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1371696934 426923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., not 7 letters hth < 1371696937 410135 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck < 1371697001 371994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is un-co-operative < 1371697019 35697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can't use an ö here) < 1371697040 804186 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371697047 226951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta hyphenate words < 1371697101 928326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one else is playing? < 1371697114 372655 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::] < 1371697118 928990 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting is for losers < 1371697134 345048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling me one? < 1371697146 162326 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1371697171 697584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: don't insult me! < 1371697210 660199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abadfortress.tumblr.com/ < 1371697219 52035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has a monopsony < 1371697236 948315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i misuse that word? < 1371697240 468208 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monopsony"++ < 1371697242 878494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. i don't care. < 1371697245 600331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not the dwarf fortress i know < 1371697246 931657 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why does it look like link's awakening < 1371697262 594567 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or. pokemon < 1371697308 135108 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks more like pokemon < 1371697308 939183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/5e16dcd9ba738025b40d0e48424b9ceb/tumblr_moidwos8Y71spfoh9o3_1280.png < 1371697310 851946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i give up. happy? < 1371697314 107914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA!DRUG < 1371697315 483535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAG FUCK < 1371697326 185179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1371697327 281028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a bootleg translation of japanese pokemon into english < 1371697328 959304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally scrolled down to it < 1371697331 212060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'english' < 1371697334 499407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before clicking kmc's link < 1371697343 141085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this calls for the image < 1371697345 14374 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Power of Drugz < 1371697348 534194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Schéma_synchronicité_in_English.png < 1371697352 551147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/ccd724c3a73588a5d203fdf0262e755d/tumblr_moidmnSzMS1spfoh9o3_1280.png < 1371697385 391079 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this vietnamese crystal < 1371697388 911874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371697395 961013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnamese crystal sounds like a drug tbh < 1371697396 495913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you scroll back enoguh then the blog is about dwarf fortress instead < 1371697406 222492 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1371697410 588327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i got some premium vietnamese crystal man, let's get fucked up" < 1371697414 224871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Authentic Drugz Talk < 1371697414 491413 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you reading this, it pretty much is < 1371697448 890921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey is someone selling drugz < 1371697456 304704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1371697461 428678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is santa cruz famous as a place to get drugz btw < 1371697464 640003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pokemon Vietnamese Crystal is a Vietnamese-to English translated version of Crystal that was sold as a bootleg in markets accross Vietnam in early 2001. Based on all of the place names and the names of the characters, it is most likely that this is a translation of the Chinese version of Crystal(which itself is an unofficial translation of the Japanese version" < 1371697478 679261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: one time i told someone that i had been to santa cruz in the evening and he thought it was for buying drugz < 1371697479 750201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i guess < 1371697481 626554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1371697485 687026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gosh, that reminds me of... what was it... < 1371697487 298364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1371697503 541469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugzoteric < 1371697504 345363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Star War The Third Gathers: The Backstroke of the West" < 1371697507 827267 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371697511 380330 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that turkish star wars or < 1371697512 452216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that < 1371697513 255047 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War_The_Third_Gathers:_The_Backstroke_of_the_West < 1371697517 930837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the bootlegged version with "DO NOT WANT" < 1371697533 85143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html < 1371697583 421872 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"amazingly enough, the beginning scroll is mistranslated even though the words are right there on the screen" good < 1371697609 263773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our dichotomy opens the combat < 1371697634 838203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seemed completely random until i figured out that 'jedi council' was being translated into chinese then back to english as 'the presbyterian church'. < 1371697637 824167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is still good < 1371697655 652025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005195.html in depth examination of how the word 'fuck' ends up in so many translations from chinese < 1371697665 476339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :attn Bike, other language nerds < 1371697671 582327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's like almost 5 < 1371697694 605037 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow do i qualify as a language nerd now < 1371697695 820086 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1371697728 662212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: biologist, linguist, bicycle. < 1371697741 170632 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bike, the myth, the legend < 1371697742 12144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1371697748 139875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguists are the worst thing < 1371697752 210796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a linguist < 1371697752 747122 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up shachaf!!!!! < 1371697756 651478 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up!!!!!!!!!!! < 1371697764 213253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today, mnoqy < 1371697771 711233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i speak up against linguists! < 1371697783 580120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1371697798 389709 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371697801 740266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :first they didn't come for the statisticians < 1371697812 111573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't speak up because i didn't hate statisticians < 1371697879 175583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that the investigation involves finding the chinese-language forum where chinese people make fun of bad chinese -> english translations < 1371697890 88023 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1371697990 17754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: wait you're not a linguist are you < 1371697998 533189 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1371698052 394143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/Gan10.jpg Correct translation: "Dry Seasonings Section" < 1371698078 871816 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1371698099 98048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/Gan11.jpg this would be a great if aggressive motto < 1371698462 951272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fast ether lord fucking net ascending < 1371698484 233841 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my tagline on dating sites < 1371698492 215524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a fast ether lord
< 1371698554 613835 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1371698884 873304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow these birds outside are making annoying noises. < 1371698888 701172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they want me to not sleep. < 1371698890 343260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind < 1371698901 414032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1371698905 435050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind that makes annoying noises at 4 am < 1371698905 755835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc and i saw a bird once < 1371698920 179851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Scrub_Jay < 1371698936 646471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice looking bird imo < 1371698947 98110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a not nice looking bird iyo < 1371698947 366270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the birds here make worse noises than the birds in the other place in hexham i've lived < 1371698955 976899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those made soothing oo oo noises < 1371698977 732027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thearchnemesis.com/Ugly-Birds.html < 1371699000 196967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1371699003 412033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with these except pigeon < 1371699008 275181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pigeons are pretty < 1371699013 374534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling me ugly < 1371699020 344715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1371699030 175076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is seagull < 1371699034 763698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a seagull < 1371699037 978377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1371699041 459809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're calling my personality ugly < 1371699053 925434 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will assume the validity of the axiom of choice without further ado" ruh roh < 1371699054 461703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/#iw/en/%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%A3 hth < 1371699057 449990 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371699089 505439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh interesting < 1371699103 66854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftr i don't think seagulls are ugly either < 1371699106 856447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: source < 1371699110 337459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cockroaches of the air < 1371699116 507490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot, web page < 1371699118 723882 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introductory Real Analysis by Kolmogorov < 1371699126 139378 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously it goes on to mention The Controversy) < 1371699142 822726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: _The Door into Summer_ has a bunch of great things about cats. < 1371699177 448882 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really imagine a well ordering of the reals...................... < 1371699184 596869 :sprockle_!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371699202 968550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't worry in type theory you get the axiom of choice as a theorem without getting a well-ordering of the reals! < 1371699207 619170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's The Best Of Both Worlds < 1371699209 762409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1371699209 967913 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371699212 170107 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1371699227 20168 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prove choice from well-ordering i thought < 1371699227 225694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://r6.ca/blog/20050604T143800Z.html "my favourite blog post" < 1371699233 223465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes but that's in set theory. < 1371699243 776005 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy some other thing < 1371699290 151665 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The key difference between set theory and type theory is that in set theory one can form quotient sets for arbitrary equivalence relations" who needs it anyway < 1371699324 434396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the quotient set the set of equivalence classes? < 1371699324 702383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more favourite than.......................... http://r6research.livejournal.com/27071.html < 1371699327 644925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1371699347 992915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. < 1371699353 425009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1371699416 196541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do quotient types they just have to be different I think < 1371699419 179098 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how i'll apparently never find any foundation ever completely intuitive < 1371699421 133241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe nobody has worked out all the details yet < 1371699424 346710 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking quotients < 1371699436 93653 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTT and HTT have stories for them < 1371699436 361297 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o well i'm just a bikeologist < 1371699444 792815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How did you initially come to #esoteric, anyway? < 1371699445 330961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure you don't have to give in to the axiom of choice for them :P < 1371699448 274667 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda had a b0rked one < 1371699458 590494 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think sgeo. < 1371699464 820097 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1371699475 166283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1371699502 75032 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1371699505 92983 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371699508 124032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371699516 112010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you should play our new game < 1371699522 537713 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was recently shown by Cohen that an affirmatie answer to the question is also consistent" wow this is pretty old < 1371699523 341354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying to convince kmc to come back to #haskell some more! < 1371699527 360009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo++ < 1371699553 139447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc will come to #haskell if he wants to < 1371699555 42548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave him alone hth < 1371699566 559091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that's for bringing Bike here? < 1371699566 764257 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can hask if we want to, we can leave our friends behind < 1371699577 105872 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey, wanna come back to #haskell? I'll give you +v < 1371699598 878751 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically like a million bucks < 1371699627 800632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1371699629 942777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: maybe later < 1371699639 128067 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i think something i liked about taocp was: no fucking foundations < 1371699646 725092 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just billions and billions of combinatoric identities < 1371699650 510462 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all math books should be like that imo. < 1371699660 738715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think you'll find that foundations rule and everything on top is boring as hell < 1371699684 46348 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do reverse mathematics instead < 1371699689 971256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's foundations < 1371699692 180334 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of involves foundations + is crazy + isn't foundations < 1371699692 720192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just LAME foundations < 1371699711 180490 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you did it with type theories instead of set theories < 1371699715 7283 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"be an innovator" < 1371699754 492869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "learn lisp or ocaml along with haskell" -- #haskell < 1371699782 930279 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn snobol or ia32 along with haskell < 1371699809 75360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm... the lisp bit was my fault >.> < 1371699816 526517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was < 1371699828 578409 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is metaprogramming and who needs it < 1371699840 940094 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id say things in #haskell but heck no im not doing that < 1371699848 237530 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where you incessantly make jokes about "i never meta [thing] i didn't like" automatically < 1371699852 312144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do it < 1371699911 582885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/11.05.04:12:42:05 C++ exists. this is a bad design decision. < 1371699920 266323 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o god dont grep for me < 1371699923 480206 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it stop it stop it < 1371699924 16078 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it stop it stop it < 1371699943 222856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok stopped < 1371699947 583356 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1371699952 555903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse" < 1371699960 58102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already stopped grepping :'( < 1371699972 187903 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you shouldn't grep in the first place < 1371699979 730217 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should skip the set theory stuff and get ti hilbertian spaces < 1371700053 688404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mnoqy i miss you :'( < 1371700053 956232 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1371700250 527154 :sprockle_!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371700261 323527 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf That was not a question. < 1371700261 591000 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1371700279 503405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, even if it's a three letter language? >.> < 1371700309 163332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there are actually good three letter languages like Tcl < 1371700313 719383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Lua I guess < 1371700327 387038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about bashing Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1371700337 915801 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that would be worth a kickban < 1371700348 385060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bankicks are better. < 1371700359 509229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott kickbanned someone today "it was weird" < 1371700364 327926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kicked first, then banned < 1371700389 562314 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371700411 718183 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure that was the order? < 1371700430 663141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 -!- mode/#haskell [+o elliott] by ChanServ < 1371700430 930950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 -!- fwe was kicked from #haskell by elliott [fwe] < 1371700431 136254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 -!- mode/#haskell [+b *!*ssjsj@31.205.67.*] by elliott < 1371700431 136451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 -!- mode/#haskell [-o shachaf] by elliott < 1371700431 136560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 -!- mode/#haskell [-o elliott] by elliott < 1371700440 698339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite part was the part where he -oed me. < 1371700457 685695 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious. Those lines reached me in a bankick order. < 1371700465 619646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1371700468 569734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://enet.bespin.org/ < 1371700476 134857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between that and Tcp? < 1371700479 615410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s almost as if IRC doesn’t preserve global ordering! < 1371700486 101972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's in the FAQ < 1371700487 174246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: gasp < 1371700575 763044 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1371700596 610804 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@70.72.84.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371700974 472223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike annoy me until isleep < 1371700990 74927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: talk about linguistics < 1371701002 795222 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hm < 1371701010 872149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, have you heard about call/cc being used in linguistics < 1371701031 716444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy i'm getting irritated already < 1371701043 248156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if elliott is anything like me he'll go to sleep straight away < 1371701151 307236 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the idea is something about continuations being isomorphic to xbars < 1371701217 563993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i feel as if you are serving shachaf more than i < 1371701234 554197 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh hm < 1371701235 900177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bike is serving me more than you're serving me? < 1371701244 475349 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1371701254 224144 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about computable reals not being compact < 1371701320 257104 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1371701331 803762 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/03/problem-with-integer-division.html < 1371701348 447806 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno i assume the more i talk about anything the more annoyed you'll get b/c you hate bicycles < 1371701381 215124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh guido < 1371701405 135048 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371701407 824212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, originally you couldn’t add an int to a float, or even an int to a long. After Python was released publicly, Tim Peters quickly convinced me that this was a really bad idea" fuck < 1371701416 9464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just backtrack on your only good decision ever or whatever < 1371701471 846703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't hate bicycles! < 1371701478 911472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Why is your nick "Bike", anyway? < 1371701522 60675 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i wasn't talking to you < 1371701527 178851 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's the h8r < 1371701992 487070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eh i'm not a fan of implicit conversions, but there is a real usability issue there that shouldn't be ignored < 1371702039 908525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was definitely a mistake to have integer division truncate, though < 1371702043 696077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one they've fixed in python 3 < 1371702124 480102 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the most important steps right here. WEAR CLOTHES! I can not stress this enough. Some of us enjoy naked gaming, but this is one of the comforts we have to give up in exchange for a streamlined pizza ordering process. < 1371702137 156352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i would be okay with "implicit conversions" if they actually worked ~like mathematics~ but that's sort of an impossible goal < 1371702154 227542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if 1+0.5+0.5 was 2 and that 2 behaved "as an integer" wherever the distinction is relevant < 1371702159 651476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upcasting to float is just silly < 1371702194 712961 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ide/theory: math is impossible < 1371702216 650870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hate to say it but there's some appeal to JavaScript's solution < 1371702237 823089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... disagree < 1371702241 73825 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make everything floats? < 1371702281 508515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a mathematica-ish "everything is an expression and only done 'numerically' where precision can be maintained and then things like 'is an integer' is just a (possibly-undecidable) predicate" or whatever could work okay < 1371702303 659706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're not being annoying enough yet btw < 1371702314 575984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can i be annoying < 1371702321 396173 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god since when do you have standards for being annoyed < 1371702323 538496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, or more generally having only one numeric type < 1371702328 708655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not asking whether i should, just whether i can) < 1371702333 841089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only rationals would be p. cool < 1371702334 635139 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1371702339 758581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the square root of 2 < 1371702342 705444 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if i like that because it varies by application etc < 1371702344 43168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: cyclotomic numbers hth < 1371702352 974882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/cyclotomic/0.3.1/doc/html/Data-Complex-Cyclotomic.html < 1371702359 937133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could ask for an approximation of sqrt of 2 to within IEEE 754 double precision anyway < 1371702360 142143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals with just dumb approximations for things like sqrt could work..... < 1371702361 275530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinful though < 1371702366 98165 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how doing math is like the first thing programming was for and we still haven't agreed on how to do it < 1371702366 634054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosinful < 1371702374 23838 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo we should use continued fractions < 1371702382 980766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first thing programming was for was killing nazis < 1371702405 391215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's nice < 1371702418 67469 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just algebraics < 1371702420 783788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: continued fractions are cute as hell < 1371702422 658866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw be more annoying < 1371702424 270990 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need transcendental numbers, really? imo no. < 1371702428 825865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to sleeep < 1371702431 810719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they actually < 1371702446 75655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the rational field extended with nth roots of unity for arbitrarily large integers n" i guess < 1371702466 181363 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In number theory, a cyclotomic field is a number field obtained by adjoining a complex primitive root of unity to Q, the field of rational numbers." < 1371702470 465730 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's straightforward enough. < 1371702492 706815 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they represented? < 1371702509 699488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1371702510 774208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike < 1371702514 342097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't care about me at all < 1371702514 611824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Cyclotomic = Cyclotomic { order :: Integer , coeffs :: M.Map Integer Rational } deriving (Eq) < 1371702518 626383 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371702525 89824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're being really annoying right now btw < 1371702529 143303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: its sure that microcontroller are not suitable for functionnal programming < 1371702530 214113 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha as a polynomial, awesome. < 1371702533 427502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe direct your annoyingness at yourself instead of at Bike < 1371702533 697480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :microcontroller have not enough ram for recursion < 1371702589 346746 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good representations of polynomials are something i should understand better really < 1371702717 571689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike do you know the puzzle where you come up with some polynomial where all the coëfficients are nonnegative integers and tell me its value at any (positive) point and then i ask you for its value at another point < 1371702730 960910 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think. < 1371703121 85850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you like algorithm, data structure, special thing, other paradigm... < 1371703143 566885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, isn't that related to that secret sharing thing? I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to < 1371703157 390896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know what secret sharing thing, but probably not. < 1371703158 998710 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With sufficient points, you learn the polynomial, with insufficient points, you learn nothing < 1371703178 130347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need to ask for one point. < 1371703183 521581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir's_Secret_Sharing < 1371703184 859940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After you give me one.) < 1371703206 141292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, then I have no idea < 1371704099 824874 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@70.72.84.129 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371704573 261088 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371704718 925654 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/88757/nice-well-orderings-of-the-reals agh < 1371704797 54866 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shamir's Secret Sharing sounds like a spell in DC:SS. < 1371704945 529602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I thought "well-ordering of the reals" meant something incredibly trivial and obvious < 1371704957 655048 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol how'd you think that < 1371704979 3240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what "Lebesgue measurable" means < 1371705004 992690 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I know what it means. Uh, almost. Lemme think. < 1371705042 255823 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lebesgue measure of an interval is just the high minus the low. < 1371705049 638562 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you build up unions, etc. < 1371705059 754343 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you run into vitali sets and become the unabomber. < 1371705062 449333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how is it a Boolean? < 1371705071 195868 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371705075 212024 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, there's this thing called the "outer measure" of a set. < 1371705081 218067 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell said anything about bools < 1371705081 485584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Question: is it equiconsistent with reasonable large cardinals that there is a well-ordering of the reals which - as a relation on R2 - is Lebesgue measurable?" < 1371705090 904861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: re shamir: yes < 1371705094 7913 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with bools < 1371705099 899886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shachaf.net/what-about-this-channel.txt < 1371705106 934632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-knowledge proofs would be a good RPG power as well < 1371705111 291435 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :404. < 1371705118 825492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This well-ordering is Lebesgue measurable" vs "This well-ordering is not Lebesgue measurable" < 1371705123 982861 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's say that a "boxing" of a set S is a countable set T of closed boxes, such that the union of T is a superset of S. < 1371705141 146003 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's whether you /can/ measure it, i.e. that it has a measure, not what that measure is. < 1371705158 779092 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vitali sets are non-measurable, so's the well-ordering (as a relation in the usual construction of relations) < 1371705172 206715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitali? < 1371705174 350053 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The measure of a boxing is just the sum of the sizes of all of the boxes. The outer measure of a set is the infimum of the measures of all of its boxings. < 1371705181 770206 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitali. < 1371705183 107910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to sleep < 1371705186 391413 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :named after a guy named Vitali. < 1371705226 917131 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, for all sets that have Lebesgue measure, the Lebesgue measure is equal to the outer measure. And a set is Lebesgue measurable if and only if it has a Lebesgue measure. < 1371705229 863084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1371705232 272378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R^2, not R < 1371705238 507190 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the only remaining question is: what does it mean for a set to be measurable? < 1371705244 709367 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-roll- < 1371705259 443756 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the answer is, uh... < 1371705283 443376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to get some sleep. Sleep off the sleep deprivation drunk < 1371705291 203206 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get drunker < 1371705291 408542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whuch is different from actual drjnk < 1371705292 6954 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Lemme look it up. < 1371705300 852998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like 'actual' stuff very much < 1371705340 607297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do genetic manipulation of actual animals, I don't get actual drunk < 1371705351 127060 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing out imo < 1371705352 201800 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on both < 1371705362 488113 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered getting mutants drunk < 1371705370 565075 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. A set S is measurable if and only if for all sets A, the outer measure of A is the outer measure of A \ S plus the outer measure of A intersect S. < 1371705373 352094 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1371705444 238469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/137657/is-there-a-well-ordering-of-the-reals-measurable-or-not?lq=1 < 1371705449 327461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm even more confused now < 1371705461 473103 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, I got the Nice Question badge for this question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11870884/vim-says-no-mouse-support-but-only-when-i-run-git-commit < 1371705482 740153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's brain elided the word 'Nice'
< 1371705491 697916 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Question badge... < 1371705518 758658 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is there a well-ordering of the reals after all, measurable or not?" lolololol < 1371705537 620608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get a badge at 50 answerpoints? < 1371705538 690879 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you want to talk about it before you sleep, what's confusing < 1371705558 20009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, how the answer isn't trivially yes < 1371705581 979892 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so, what's a well ordering? < 1371705630 23612 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How there could exist two reals, a and b, for which none of (a < b) (a > b) (a = b) is correct. I guess there's more to it, such as consistency when c is introduced? < 1371705641 925749 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a well order. < 1371705643 263021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you know the sorcerer's apprentice? it's kind of like that < 1371705644 908239 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a total order. < 1371705658 704193 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A well order is a total order + every subset has a least element. < 1371705684 553580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1371705706 959666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rationals aren't well-ordered then either, I think < 1371705708 565924 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< isn't a well order on the reals. For example, consider the nonzero positive reals. < 1371705721 585080 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the usual ordering on the rational orders isn't well. < 1371705723 251601 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if you have the axiom of choice you can show that a well order does exist. < 1371705723 518748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hmm < 1371705727 536556 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scandalous, I know < 1371705730 481329 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor is the usual ordering on the integers. < 1371705781 292252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Does the C spec actually specify there can't be more than 2^(CHAR_BIT * sizeof(void *)) distinct values of type void *? < 1371705825 407685 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the C spec ever talk about cardinalities of types < 1371705841 576281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the question is whether C can be Turing-complete this way. < 1371705843 486223 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly implied by limits.h, aren't they? < 1371705856 146099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :limits.h for void *? < 1371705869 251288 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none. < 1371705881 79895 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that include those int ptr things < 1371705884 562386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay to access a void* pointer as a bunch of uint8_t, right? by aliasing rules < 1371705893 780906 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could use that to show that constraint applies < 1371705896 194261 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is totally valid to limit the possible values of void* to 32... < 1371705905 387566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Would it? < 1371705914 902763 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait, 32 is too small, let's say it'd be 4096. < 1371705959 453514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like, if sizeof(void*) is x, and you access it as a series of x char values, then each char can have at most 2^CHAR_BIT values, so....? < 1371705983 994359 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, just a guess >_< < 1371705995 681138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many uint8_t do you need < 1371705996 482480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you actually access it as a series of x char values, I mean? < 1371705999 757457 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: not exactly, since some representations of void* can be declared invalid. same goes for integers. < 1371705999 962557 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(void*)? < 1371706081 212828 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: let me quote a footnote in C99: In particular, if == is defined for type T, then x == y does not imply that memcmp(&x, &y, sizeof (T)) == 0. < 1371706087 695653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it can be an upper bound though, right? < 1371706091 647953 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371706102 939625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it can't be a lower bound, but it can be an upper one, which is what shachaf asked for, right? or did I misunderstand < 1371706130 981193 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: void *y; char *x = (char*)&y; I guess? < 1371706163 786845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Well, sure you can write that code. I'm not sure whether it's actually allowed. < 1371706167 603341 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is guaranteed that a conformant C program cannot access the infinite memory (but it can access the arbitrarily large memory). < 1371706180 465721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Guaranteed where? < 1371706199 819746 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, sorry, wait a min, I may have misread the spec, < 1371706208 745812 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought intptr_t is mandatory but it wasn't < 1371706218 299540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intptr_t is mandatory in C99, I think? < 1371706224 235717 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any integer types including intptr_t are guaranteed to be finite) < 1371706237 474567 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, intptr_t is just "a type big enough to hold any pointer", isn't it? like, it's allowed to be bigger than void* < 1371706254 81798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's still an upper bound, like you said. < 1371706257 599876 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so I thought it is an ultimate upper bound. < 1371706263 564261 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not tight one of course0 < 1371706265 744306 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)* < 1371706275 50912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you're allowed to cast to intptr_t and back that's enough... < 1371706278 700363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be larger than 2^(sizeof(void*)*CHAR_BIT)... right...? < 1371706285 475503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1371706300 113391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal was to figure out whether you can make a Turing-complete implementation of C, though. < 1371706335 491698 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sizeof() is guaranteed to return a finite result (the value of the result is implementation-defined, and not an undefined behavior) < 1371706354 157426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1371706355 567343 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CHAR_BIT should be finite either < 1371706359 594746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1371706363 345080 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so void* should be finite too < 1371706364 148069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I didn't realize the context < 1371706372 26681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: void * has a finite sizeof. < 1371706386 552255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question was whether via a tricky reading of the rules you could have more than that many void * values. < 1371706402 571686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, in particular infinitely many.) < 1371706408 225960 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not < 1371706419 509073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intptr_t argument seems convincing, I guess. < 1371706458 766912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my stackoverflow question is up to 50 votes. < 1371706460 108757 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since C requires every non-bit-field values ("objects" in the spec) to be stored as an array of bytes of CHAR_BIT bits < 1371706463 858977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that one of you? < 1371706467 175904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get a badge. < 1371706490 758703 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such representation is explicitly called an "object representation" < 1371706498 99137 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should exist for any non-bit-field values < 1371706506 439246 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including void* < 1371706531 282118 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, this also prohibits a native implementation of C in ternary computers) < 1371706582 935925 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, language lawyering is fun! < 1371706928 518324 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1371707189 964247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there are four operating RBMK reactors (Chernobyl design) about 233 km from Helsinki < 1371707411 643972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 70 km from St. Petersburg < 1371707428 532015 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they like, upgraded < 1371707440 992206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1371707460 46727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fundamentally unsafe design < 1371707471 407597 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, cool < 1371707565 593744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK#Design_flaws_and_safety_issues < 1371707576 902353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"based on 1950s Soviet technology and optimized for speed of production over redundancy, the RBMK was designed and constructed with several design characteristics that proved dangerously unstable when operated outside their design specifications" < 1371707578 777622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK#Design_flaws_and_safety_issues < 1371707587 923188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpschaf < 1371707594 86159 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1371707720 116075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soviet power plus irradiation of the whole country < 1371707788 207578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link mentions a few post-chernobyl improvements < 1371707902 65787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that comforting < 1371707935 222807 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legasov's death from suicide, " uh, whoa < 1371708094 36246 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scram is usually cited as being an acronym for safety control rod axe man" < 1371708132 691185 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«When I showed up on the balcony on that December 2, 1942 afternoon, I was ushered to the balcony rail, handed a well sharpened fireman's ax and told, "if the safety rods fail to operate, cut that manila rope."» haha < 1371708148 560618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the life of a grad student < 1371708180 375176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although Koehler did not serve as a rope-cutting control rod axe-man, he was responsible for dumping a bucket of aqueous cadmium solution into the reactor if reactor period entered into the sub-optimal range" < 1371708184 392091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the sub-optimal range" < 1371708488 763206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at which point the rods would fall by gravity into the reactor core" < 1371708508 277513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they fall by _gravity_ < 1371708540 715431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1371708546 147906 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in the same article anymore. < 1371708570 132001 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scram i'm in this one in case you aren't doing the exact same random walk. < 1371708588 772505 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1371708592 827423 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i solved the mystery < 1371708602 54852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get there from the link but from googling what you said. < 1371708710 250722 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird cultural difference i guess. < 1371708760 965138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :really there's never a need to link something if the other person happens to have google < 1371709025 487091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1371710213 518802 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371710276 793503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: gotta go < 1371711056 270517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☹ ☹ < 1371711058 949872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : · · < 1371711061 360865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ☹ < 1371711063 815400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /‾\ < 1371711066 492420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1371711068 901496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ----- < 1371711071 369002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ \ < 1371711092 680727 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1371711500 487004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what / why < 1371711536 81034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i made it for a different channel but then i decided not to spam < 1371711539 867883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it tho < 1371711542 810207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i saw it before < 1371711550 715310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be a new version < 1371711558 289773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. 2.0 < 1371711570 350424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to spam "that channel" i mean...................well this channel might be unspammable) < 1371711593 874959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when are you inventing the esolang "Main Page.".............................. < 1371711599 232293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kmc < 1371711604 638096 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1371711614 688342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :later / neer < 1371711618 708572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ never < 1371713403 12244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1371713491 483007 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371713639 80423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1371713750 803759 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371713811 245976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1371713900 434805 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371714246 400162 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371715190 886768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the school i'm enrolled in it super hilly, to the extent that there's a place called Johnson Flats, which is not flat and is on a hill <-- wait aren't you in luxembourg i'm confuse < 1371715233 90527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least somewhere european without english as first language < 1371715266 192003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada? < 1371715301 551733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada is not somewhere european without english as first language, olsner < 1371715347 465347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Bike in washington state usa < 1371715420 604625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwest.net seems to be owned by centurylink, which looks distinctly us < 1371715420 869880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, sorry for trying :( < 1371715447 169930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'VE BEEN DECEIVED < 1371715487 31039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/owned/swallowed by/ < 1371715597 507132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan made the neighbour prediction before taneb said he lived in northumberland <-- i think north (east?) england had been mentioned, though < 1371715664 933444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs next door < 1371715706 352208 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24031 < 1371715722 892026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: chop chop < 1371715797 530359 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had said Northern < 1371715808 931928 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-07-12#195258oerjan < 1371715960 102498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just looking for that < 1371716212 680247 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1371716452 671037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquotes < 1371716453 742136 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastaquotes: not found < 1371716458 566674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1371716459 909108 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :973) I think pastaquote should just quote me < 1371716464 557683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1371717032 463755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes atriq < 1371717037 822878 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28558 < 1371717040 234155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: YOU MISSED ONE < 1371717064 54482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf there are no atriq quotes < 1371717067 334363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr < 1371717120 946355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only conclude that atriq is your bumbling hyde personality < 1371717132 199916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe... < 1371717138 944478 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe atriq is the Jekyll! < 1371717149 423483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, not very eloquent < 1371717171 288483 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I just didn't use atriq as much < 1371717175 873087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i just wondered... < 1371717211 188405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no there cannot be any trailing space because it wasn't made by nick completion < 1371717229 591293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Taneb < 1371717233 880138 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't do `pastequotes atriq because I knew there weren't any < 1371717234 955449 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16568 < 1371717258 983094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho hum... < 1371717269 786079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cannot be right either < 1371717276 839503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Taneb < 1371717281 701409 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2234 < 1371717304 556116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Taneb < 1371717309 471369 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27739 < 1371717351 874417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there really are no quotes where Taneb is followed by space < 1371717361 520202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, this doesn't help with atriq < 1371717537 521982 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1371717608 335733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nobody knows what happened to Facekicker for the past 8 years, though < 1371717628 347838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we _really_ absolutely sure they're different elliotts twh < 1371717642 690236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Facekicker's actually an Eliot < 1371717648 47664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1371717649 474921 :nooodl!~nooodl@92.184-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1371717700 261725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might assume facekicker went on to a promising career in either kung fu movies or crime. < 1371717729 205129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why not boh < 1371717731 368843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*both < 1371717965 789081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you google elliott hird it's a mix of elliott and a kitchen planner < 1371717981 210779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly his blog needs more posts hth < 1371718360 927703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote “Haiers Medical-Circular Stapler For Rectal Prolapse And Hemorrhoids.wmv” /me refrains from clicking good choice Yes, i’m pretty happy about it. < 1371718361 803084 :nooodl!~nooodl@92.184-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371718364 527935 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1056) “Haiers Medical-Circular Stapler For Rectal Prolapse And Hemorrhoids.wmv” /me refrains from clicking good choice Yes, i’m pretty happy about it. < 1371718373 955993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen kmc < 1371718378 544592 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-06-20 08:02:27: isn't Bike in washington state usa < 1371718384 590860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen shachaf < 1371718388 752402 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-06-20 08:53:04: `seen shachaf < 1371718408 109848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1371718995 583966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://modernjavascript.blogspot.com/2013/06/monads-in-plain-javascript.html < 1371718997 731995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old Maybe < 1371719133 694532 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371719765 195673 :studentY!~3-11-004@120.28.82.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371719779 154854 :studentY!~3-11-004@120.28.82.67 PART :#esoteric < 1371721172 192727 :nooodl!~nooodl@92.184-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1371723145 27823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371723337 536755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371725499 639448 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371725707 739142 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371726308 833005 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371726528 362085 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1371726740 521728 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371726903 575021 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1371726970 374646 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1371727056 695700 :dedda1994!5ed938cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.56.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371727071 462019 :dedda1994!5ed938cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.56.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1371727141 894402 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome dedda1994 < 1371727144 304041 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedda1994: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1371727147 289770 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi NICK :Deewiant < 1371727494 54172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1371727610 841936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1371727695 210763 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371727699 495557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Client Quit < 1371727709 856042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1371727887 709464 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1371729785 649226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1371730124 363871 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1371730333 585024 :dedda1994!5ed938cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.56.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1371730583 537126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1371730680 783671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Client Quit < 1371730739 773090 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371730875 547047 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371731003 390547 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371731057 438090 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1371731220 915025 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371732750 532725 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: This is best monad tutorial. < 1371733075 418559 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371733278 693029 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371733600 320741 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371733968 312974 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1371734164 274887 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1371735104 716253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1371735775 597758 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371735949 802280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1371736347 603185 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371736694 800127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371737911 794507 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371738525 341169 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371740096 318449 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 NICK :hogeyui < 1371740130 142830 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 NICK :hogeyui_ < 1371740132 879121 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 NICK :hogeyui < 1371740439 384972 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1371740777 948915 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1371740990 897094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi clog < 1371741174 862747 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371744247 700268 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi clog. < 1371744284 315323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1371744303 680376 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1371744323 332675 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1371744374 733611 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1371744409 298237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1371744422 626029 :nooodl!~nooodl@92.184-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1371744733 871772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1371744765 107955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know about the identify-msg IRC CAP < 1371744768 592029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet one of the finns do < 1371744771 42636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Deewiant hey ion < 1371744826 131370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it < 1371744848 487214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1371744895 32036 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like bullshit < 1371745943 674296 :guestbot!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371747082 167160 :hiato!~hiato@41-133-149-15.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1371747336 806408 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371747814 182825 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371748273 677578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1371748910 675792 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a bunch of groups, all of different sizes, then the groups are totally ordered by order. < 1371749054 780497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1371749088 160259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1371749108 50326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1371749113 51332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1371749114 866641 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello shachaf < 1371749141 882352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's like totally rad < 1371749150 768585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hello *everybody* < 1371749156 576394 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1371749161 166142 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1371749165 853661 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everybody except clog and elliott < 1371749174 871885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsner < 1371749177 760176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/mcdonalds-considering-franchising-restaurants-afte,32897/ < 1371749218 59091 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, everybody in all possible worlds. < 1371749271 140193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's awefully inclusive of you < 1371749278 215744 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world is changing, and frankly we’re running out of family members who speak Mandarin < 1371749470 183506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you know mcdonalds isn't a trademark in scotland, and they need the actual clan's permission to use it? < 1371749534 516567 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why they only sell the McHaggis Quarter Pounder with Bladder there. < 1371749536 330873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's fantastic < 1371749578 577244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: McDonald's was originally named cDonald's, after the theorem. the famous arches were originally circular. < 1371749626 999435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess using "circular" ruins that < 1371749635 729254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why? < 1371749641 466331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a cDonald theorem? < 1371749660 481793 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you seen look around you. < 1371749671 813188 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cDonald's%20Theorem < 1371749683 185927 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371749690 90066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J9MRYJz9-4#t=24s < 1371749768 529376 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how they pronounce "cDonald" < 1371749923 390243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm wondering if what i said was actually true. < 1371749954 20511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the following looks like a counterargument: "The company has threatened many food businesses with legal action unless it drops the Mc or Mac from trading names. In one noteworthy case, McDonald's sued a Scottish café owner called McDonald, even though the business in question dated back over a century (Sheriff Court Glasgow and Strathkelvin, November 21, 1952)." < 1371750030 683290 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacGregor's Quarter Pounder with Scotch < 1371750046 934200 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1371750213 451807 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the clan thing might have been established later < 1371750564 448948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks more and more dubious < 1371750573 228510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic < 1371750597 74630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me wonder where i first read it < 1371751599 699600 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371752784 880276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fortunately, there's no requirement at all for "did you know that X?" statements to actually be true. < 1371752812 183584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Fortunately,/did you know that/ hth < 1371752859 506431 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371752896 875847 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371753331 19235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1371753351 311036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hi do you know about identify-msg CAP < 1371753397 327951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371753403 851921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371753435 785035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck < 1371753437 969131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1371753473 467679 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know now. < 1371753520 169000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you know enough to answer my questions about it < 1371753542 926382 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me travel to the future to find out. < 1371753853 23223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a cap, and when you equip it, it may randomly identify items hth < 1371753987 20712 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry, no. It only identities monosodium glutamate. < 1371754155 497821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something triangle and robert could have used < 1371754602 907389 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell do I like PHP on Facebook < 1371754756 207078 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't any more < 1371755032 804842 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :php has a facebook? < 1371755091 56059 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1371755872 438393 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371755896 227718 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371756210 619719 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371756427 640875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet hot single in YOUR area who like PHP < 1371756480 506172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot singleton < 1371756487 551287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet hot shot young hustler jesus in your area < 1371756592 314852 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371756641 576651 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1371756741 62513 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1371756875 587829 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.facebook.com/PHP wow < 1371756914 266368 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah! Not a day to soon. Death to C# and java B)" < 1371756950 902036 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the changelog's a bit scary < 1371756952 513510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added ARMv7/v8 versions of various Zend arithmetic functions that are implemented using inline assembler < 1371756964 346266 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three FB friends who like PHP. D-: < 1371756971 859350 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man they added finally. finally < 1371756976 818332 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, they're already doing ARMv8 stuff < 1371756983 25708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time someone mentions Zend i think of Zond < 1371757001 712604 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kneel before zend < 1371757012 692448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_rocket < 1371757016 210229 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Added support for using empty() on the result of function calls and other expressions" huh? < 1371757023 641622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each of the four attempts to launch an N1 failed; during the second launch attempt the N1 rocket crashed back onto its launch pad shortly after liftoff and exploded, resulting in one of the largest artificial non-nuclear explosion in human history" < 1371757033 346386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooow. 30 main engines @_@ < 1371757053 479891 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fixed bug #64515 (Memoryleak when using the same variablename 2times in function declaration)" um < 1371757059 147334 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :entertainingly those engines are actually the ones being used in the 'new' nasa cargo rocket they were showing off a while back < 1371757064 814471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After detecting the inoperative fuel pump, the automatic engine control shut off 29 of 30 engines, which caused the rocket to fall." < 1371757068 558443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good programming imo < 1371757071 367060 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1371757093 808087 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i've heard of N1, isn't it the one that vaporized half the engineers in the soviet union < 1371757101 398160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:55 "Added support for using empty() on the result of function calls and other expressions" huh? < 1371757106 792580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :php has a lot of nice things which only work on variable names < 1371757109 476777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no apparent reason < 1371757112 153660 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, ...maybe < 1371757114 30307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 30 engines like a redundancy nightmare? @_@ that's a lot of parts < 1371757117 783922 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good, good < 1371757121 369701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to assign stuff to variables a lot to be able to like index them as arrays or whatever < 1371757122 751902 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if just one fails it'd throw things off balance, right? < 1371757124 358409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no good reason < 1371757137 392656 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that thing was an icbm prototype < 1371757141 734600 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, depends < 1371757151 992398 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh < 1371757161 219207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 30 then it's not that big a torque and you might be able to correct with your control systems < 1371757164 698120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1371757167 420774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought it was an R-7 test < 1371757174 367308 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they did when one of the engines in the falcon 9 test failed < 1371757176 775884 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=64523 what the /hell/ < 1371757189 477446 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When destination folder of a copy haven't enough place, copy reports success instead of failure. < 1371757222 916525 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed bug #64895 (Integer overflow in SndToJewish) < 1371757237 603380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371757245 597188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sndtojewish < 1371757261 214830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can i hire you to work out how to get a good deal on EC2 for me < 1371757270 749793 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's about the hebrew calendar? < 1371757280 674544 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@g jdtojewish < 1371757280 938485 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: gazetteer get-shapr get-topic ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki v @ ? . < 1371757283 654284 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1371757286 60351 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google jdtojewish < 1371757287 934095 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://php.net/manual/en/function.jdtojewish.php < 1371757288 139187 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: PHP: jdtojewish - Manual < 1371757292 753501 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is girl19 < 1371757308 142487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Converts a Julian day count to a Jewish calendar date" < 1371757310 820938 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i need that. < 1371757328 710684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should definitely be in the default global namespace < 1371757385 167334 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man it doesn't even report a bad value, it just hangs < 1371757390 309148 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how great is that < 1371757393 296268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :php great < 1371757413 324987 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«That is, you cannot do `SELF::CNST` or `SELF::$VAR` or `SELF::METHOD()`. But it's possible to use `constant("SELF::CNST")` or `call_user_func` with uppercase `SELF` keyword.» < 1371757446 635558 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«if use '@', you can call function in a string substitution context.» help < 1371757475 830850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging elliott < 1371757484 214745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should put a highlight on @ < 1371757486 977140 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61681 you need this feature, imo < 1371757540 230843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@get-sh < 1371757540 436041 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr!! < 1371757542 907879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weird < 1371757545 660428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@t < 1371757545 865662 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thesaurus thx tic-tac-toe ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete type v @ ? . < 1371757546 464392 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757546 731654 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1371757547 257012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@te < 1371757547 462398 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who should I tell? < 1371757550 1536 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757550 270113 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1371757550 475152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1371757554 830028 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems dumb < 1371757555 409916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757555 615443 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always found myself unequal to the intellectual pressure of programming < 1371757557 821777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1371757559 207281 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1371757561 352530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help girl19 < 1371757561 557735 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl19 wonders what "discriminating hackers" are. < 1371757564 336811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757564 542087 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. I never hacked Russians < 1371757564 747190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757564 747276 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Moscow, Russia < 1371757564 747322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757564 952227 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have stolen about 50 msn and yahoo accounts < 1371757564 952335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@girl19 < 1371757564 952382 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I supposed to be frantic with terror and anxiety? < 1371757577 384700 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all need a db of all these damn injokes < 1371757593 661861 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey. "This extension is now deprecated, and deprecation warnings will be generated when connections are established to databases via mysql_connect(), mysql_pconnect(), or through implicit connection: use MySQLi or PDO_MySQL instead" < 1371757596 108747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey i have a lambdabot proposal "can you guess what it is" < 1371757603 734083 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many security bugs that would remove < 1371757612 660370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great how there's no uniform db api in php < 1371757618 633725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different functions for mysql, postgres, etc < 1371757626 33432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder whether i should remove the unique prefix behaviour along with the specialcasing of unique spell corrections < 1371757635 322175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generator is an internal class, so there shouldn't be an ability to create it by hand. However, the Generator class doesn't have a private constructor and instance of it can be created via ReflectionClass. < 1371757639 417731 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: add a private constructor for this class to prevent instantiation (like for Closure class). < 1371757642 641646 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome and rad < 1371757652 664200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of removing @girl19. < 1371757671 601917 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed bug #60097 (token_get_all fails to lex nested heredoc) < 1371757674 601182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prefix thing is OK. < 1371757699 793266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was ignoring your proposal actually < 1371757706 137847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is something i was already looking into!! < 1371757706 941179 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=64765 these are so great < 1371757767 65012 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok uh, this SndToJewish thing is listed as being fixed, three different times < 1371757782 489256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what list are you reading < 1371757804 835399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Snd... "standard"? it looks like "sound" < 1371757807 252874 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the changelog http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php < 1371757832 129927 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scip.ch/en/?vuldb.9021 oh my god. < 1371757840 813489 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my new favorite bug < 1371757871 445680 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woow < 1371757885 512359 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sndtojewish thing resulted in a critical exploit? geez < 1371757911 976990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean there are reasons not to stuff every library into the core of your language < 1371757921 181095 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=54096 geez these are really weird < 1371757959 341457 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :php has a built in julian to hebrew calendar conversion function, fiora. it is beyond weird. < 1371757984 548399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like I feel like I'm missing 90% of this < 1371757986 228535 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comparsion of incomplete DateTime causes SIGSEGV" good, good < 1371757992 741959 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP defines -0 as an int", but wouldn't -0 just resolve to 0? < 1371758000 243367 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in php it wouldn't < 1371758012 520401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's this filter function that "checks if values are ints", but if you wanted to see if a float was int, wouldn't you just do if( floor(f) == f )? < 1371758022 838994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... well I guess there's infinities and things < 1371758038 585354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... if( (float)(int)f == f )? < 1371758048 124673 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is bad < 1371758057 682994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um... explain? >_< < 1371758066 516002 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1371758073 618778 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know php, i just see endless insane bug reports < 1371758102 466963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole "this is an interpreted language but it works differently on 32-bit and 64-bit" seems really weird too < 1371758118 470100 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one bug where the put in inline amd64 assembly but didn't conditionalize it < 1371758121 534613 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj people < 1371758124 547566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1371758134 29046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: sadly ghc haskell has that too < 1371758138 318971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int is platform-dependent size < 1371758177 514903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well ghc is primarily a compiler so depending on your interpretation of "that" < 1371758187 503336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it has many traits people relate to "interpreted languages", of course < 1371758209 366361 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't int platform-dependent in C < 1371758213 244194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I meant for high level languages < 1371758214 852274 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does... does php have data types? < 1371758215 656052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1371758239 596496 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean having a type that's defined to have a max that varies by platform seems fine to me < 1371758240 938758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing worse than platform-dependent sized Int is platform-independent sized Int < 1371758260 153678 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus doesn't the haskell standard say it has to be at least 2^31 or whatever < 1371758267 392235 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1371758270 373076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, but like, it has builtin functions that work differently on 32-bit and 64-bit which seems really weird < 1371758275 233126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: makes semantics of haskell programs much less clear, causes portability problems, severely hurts distributed computing < 1371758275 438270 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: not as you know them. not as any of us know thelm < 1371758275 767917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mandated range is just -2^29 .. 2^29-1 < 1371758292 400688 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it hurt distributed computing < 1371758293 776665 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1371758301 120691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing 32-bit implementations to reserve 2 bits for tagging < 1371758319 16360 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371758323 839227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because you have a single program where multiple parts of it run on heterogeneous machines < 1371758334 898599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Int means different things at different points of your program < 1371758338 276615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can store different values < 1371758346 453013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will get messed up communicating between agents that disagree about its size < 1371758349 704190 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, for portability it's better to use Integer? < 1371758353 991782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to completely avoid Int if you want sanity < 1371758361 687551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: or the fixed-size Int32/Int64 < 1371758364 339462 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1371758384 15815 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Int32 fit in 32-bit? or like, does it not fit because of tag bits? < 1371758397 151956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's boxed :x < 1371758403 852106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is actually a pointer to a 32-bit integer < 1371758413 414223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1371758413 680765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except GHC can automatically unbox it when you use it as a strict field of a data type with optimisations and blah blah blah) < 1371758416 634184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so it's not quite as bad as it sounds) < 1371758419 47138 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Int boxed? < 1371758424 446848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371758429 73868 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so *everything* is boxed? < 1371758436 148400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pointer to a machine integer, actually -- just the operations on it truncate to 32 bits. < 1371758437 834336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less (GHC has unboxed types that are fiddly to use) < 1371758449 199020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have like a tight numerical loop though GHC will usually be able to unbox everything "at the start" < 1371758450 2497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, only boxed values are first-class in Haskell in general. < 1371758456 857834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then work with unboxed values for the loop itself < 1371758457 394704 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, if I have an array of 1 million ints, will it be 1 million boxes, or a box with 1 million things? < 1371758467 865000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are both boxed and unboxed arrays < 1371758473 800470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be either depending on which is better < 1371758476 750735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use an unboxed array it'll have 1 million Ints. < 1371758477 824142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1371758486 515471 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a boxed array will have 1 million unboxed ints? < 1371758500 971732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it'll have a million boxes. < 1371758501 177005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 million boxed ints < 1371758508 420723 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I thought ints were boxed < 1371758520 251123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I think we mixed up something at some point < 1371758522 663897 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an "unboxed array" means a boxed array of unboxed things, probably < 1371758524 541860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(un)boxed array" means it's an array of (un)boxed things. < 1371758524 809818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1371758528 601307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1371758533 425079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an unboxed array of 1m ints is 4 megabytes < 1371758536 376186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on 32-bit) < 1371758537 180895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unboxed array of Ints knows what Ints are a box around < 1371758540 168115 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a boxed one would be 8 megabytes? < 1371758540 972225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus epsilon < 1371758541 239281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stores that instead < 1371758554 14248 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: depending on sizes of boxes etc. < 1371758555 89043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well, boxed values have like additional pointers in addition to the actual data they store < 1371758556 692234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably more than 8 megabytes... < 1371758563 806527 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxed arrays can have lazy values can't they < 1371758567 136321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to facilitate lazy evaluation and such < 1371758573 88092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it means access has a lot more indirection in a boxed array < 1371758581 439939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: right < 1371758586 538169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a boxed Int takes two machine words, and the pointer in the array takes an additional machine word. < 1371758591 668448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, advantage of boxed arrays is that they can store everything, whereas unboxed arrays need to know things about what they store, and you can store thunks (unfinished computations) in boxed arrays, whereas in unboxed arrays you can only store evaluated results, so no fancy laziness tricks) < 1371758593 276352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every element is a pointer to a heap object, which can be a thunk < 1371758603 579438 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, boxed values have more than just the value itself plus a pointer to it? < 1371758611 180598 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since this is haskell < 1371758615 239303 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lazy values < 1371758628 628258 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1371758635 710821 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which like kmc said are thunky < 1371758637 87838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right it's important to note that an Int value might be a pointer to *some code* < 1371758640 709020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you haven't evaluated yet < 1371758648 880864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an unboxed integer is just a plain old integer < 1371758653 552005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a 'boxed value' is a heap object, or a pointer to one. heap objects have a uniform structure, the first word is always a pointer to an 'info table' < 1371758664 969896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they have zero or more data fields which can have different sizes < 1371758673 71832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uniformity is what allows polymorphic code to work < 1371758681 481514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... so it'd be at least 12 megabytes < 1371758683 624681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can force evaluation of a heap object without knowing its type < 1371758684 963349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus laziness? < 1371758686 873907 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but uh, when you say can store everything, they're uniformly typed anyway aren't they < 1371758701 699670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am probably looking at this totally wrong and thinking of haskell as if it was like C <.< < 1371758703 76566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless some of the Ints are shared, anyway. < 1371758710 89074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might find the STG machine paper interesting if you're interested in the details of how this stuff works, though I think it's fairly different in GHC nowadays (in particular their "spineless tagless G-machine" has tags???) < 1371758714 106719 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can't really reason about storage very well, can you? < 1371758720 647790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but I mean you can make an Array a for any a < 1371758722 527805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps http://spl.smugmug.com/Humor/Lambdacats/13227630_j2MHcg/960526161_XwKHSBM#!i=960526161&k=XwKHSBM&lb=1&s=L can clarify. < 1371758725 282017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have the kind of tags they're talking about not having in the STG paper < 1371758732 323111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas like an unboxed array will require some condition on what "a" is so it knows how to store it unboxed < 1371758733 663577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC doesn't use tag bits to distinguish pointers from integers < 1371758739 861635 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody here linked me to a paper where whatshisname was like "you can reason about space! weird, huh" < 1371758741 508957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does use tag bits on pointers to mark things which are already known to be evaluated < 1371758762 46073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impossible to reason about space usage of Haskell programs, but it's definitely less simple than in C or whatever < 1371758804 201423 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also sharing, like if you store 4+7 into an array a million times it'll all use the same thunk? < 1371758807 186567 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1371758814 31129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you store the "same" 4+7 < 1371758814 723631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :into a boxed array yeah < 1371758822 671619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll store the same pointer a bajillion times < 1371758824 11755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = 4+7 in listArray [0,1000] (repeat x) < 1371758852 575007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4+7 is sort of a bad example since it might get like constant folded and stuff but the principle, yeah < 1371758855 53069 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, does ghc not pick out common subexpressions like that < 1371758862 216099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it very conservatively < 1371758867 991560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can introduce bad space leaks that way < 1371758869 675383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it'll get shared whether it's an unevaluated thunk or not. < 1371758869 943419 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i figured but it's easier to say than (foo y) < 1371758893 647017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does GHC not like preallocate a bunch of Ints for small values? < 1371758894 183777 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, to sum up, fiora, php is dumb < 1371758898 547782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would distort the idea < 1371758954 893743 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed bug #43177 (Errors in eval()'ed code produce status code 500). < 1371758977 345456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1371758981 898706 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um, unrelatedly, http://eprint.iacr.org/2013/404.pdf < 1371758993 663468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharing is p. cool. in Haskell if you implement a binary tree with an insert function, in the most obvious naive way, you get a cool persistent data structure where new versions of the tree share nodes with old ones < 1371759004 268359 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wassat. < 1371759021 234638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this isn't some crazy compiler optimization either, it's p. much fundamental to the language's data model < 1371759021 541199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that requires changing your notion of "obvious" < 1371759025 521734 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a super lightweight block cipher < 1371759039 907090 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1371759050 402052 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371759061 767237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With regard to throughput, we note that the fastest reported software implementation of AES-128 available on an Atmel 8-bit microcontroller has a cost of 125 cycles/byte, and uses 1912 bytes of flash and 432 bytes of SRAM [BOSC10]. For a slight decrease in speed, the same < 1371759065 787251 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementers offer a more balanced implementation with a cost of 135 cycles/byte, using 1912 bytes of flash and 176 bytes of SRAM. Our high-speed Speck128/128 implementation has comparable throughput, at 139 cycles/byte, but uses only 388 bytes of flash and 256 bytes of SRAM." < 1371759084 512855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash < 1371759090 10164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a hardware optimized one and a software optimized one < 1371759093 757498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 139/2 < 1371759094 339760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware optimized one can be done in like, ~1300 gates < 1371759094 911101 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 69.5 < 1371759101 142924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only 69.5 bicycles/byte! < 1371759105 695009 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... shachaf XD < 1371759113 775407 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good rate. < 1371759133 354637 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, half these bugs are about segfaults < 1371759157 579561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like the PHP interpreter is a C program written by idiots < 1371759164 191482 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fixed bug #63369 ((un)serialize() leaves dangling pointers, causes crashes)" < 1371759223 26070 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed bug #62896 ("DateTime->modify('+0 days')" modifies DateTime object) <-- what. < 1371759296 897186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also laziness is important if you want good performance from persistent data structures < 1371759310 906116 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright "segfault" is in here 276 times < 1371759374 462764 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fault", 483. < 1371759381 7583 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a lot of "default" though i guess whatever < 1371759385 628091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog segfault < 1371759410 398565 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-02-14.txt:20:49:06: Sweet, I made a megahal brain that segfaults >_> < 1371759442 507216 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :megahal < 1371759462 850147 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh man NSA is this Top Secret < 1371759497 343468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeheee < 1371759501 634559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's public I think < 1371759503 283564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just published < 1371760190 410006 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1371760425 736303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is that disaster Bike and Phantom_Hoover referred to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe < 1371760433 116447 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1371760440 248547 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops, forgot the link) < 1371760477 854666 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the one. < 1371760506 804321 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1371760839 97119 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371760893 115643 :guestbot!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1371760896 962899 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ser < 1371760898 598387 :guestbot!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PART :#esoteric < 1371761090 946837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeg ser, jeg ser... / Jeg er visst kommet på en feil klode! / Her er så underlig... < 1371762077 525162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/10-giant-cocks,32276/ attn kmc < 1371762086 460973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THEN < 1371762117 297885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh these aren't that big < 1371762135 481389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the elephant cock is pretty big < 1371762224 295858 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the nsa thing keep getting worse. helllllp < 1371762369 399164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now < 1371762388 513630 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looking through @0xabad1dea's feed < 1371762411 462813 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Speaking your username aloud on a phone call to another country is evidence the person behind the username is foreign" etc < 1371762436 781325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1371762564 684459 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. wait a minute. ELLIOTTCABLE is here. < 1371762569 581649 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's happening < 1371762695 273116 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ahhhh youtube 502 ahhhhh I cant reach my touhous" < 1371762701 197381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: NSACABLE < 1371762737 320080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1371763148 991142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1371763197 933527 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work done is difference in kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is mass times velocity is force times distance. These are both measured in Joules < 1371763235 339561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see, you just have to have *plush* touhous < 1371763239 669818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can reach them whenever ! < 1371763240 744823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power is energy by time, it is measure in Js^-1 or Watts < 1371763266 745345 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you taking a kinetics class < 1371763278 404248 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what if the plush is kidnapped < 1371763285 862729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hopefully past tense. The exam is in less than 11 hours < 1371763310 61526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's kidnapped mine!~ < 1371763335 199409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://room208.org/booru/data/9160f5fe9e4332617661b5d4f548dcd4.jpg seee they're all safe and sound < 1371763356 400612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, power is also force times velocity? < 1371763408 1830 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1371763409 76386 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371763416 493318 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i'm pretty sure there are so many you could easily lose one < 1371763417 951646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS SUMMER... THE COCKS COLLIDE (it was a video) < 1371763418 157366 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! < 1371763448 558463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't lost any! < 1371763450 970134 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep good track of my friends < 1371763499 164039 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why is there a meduka there who did she eat < 1371763499 430916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about non-plush friends < 1371763502 113185 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sure is, uh < 1371763503 759610 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :organised < 1371763504 832228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plush or minush < 1371763525 282166 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only responsible for friends who live in my apartment <.<; < 1371763545 850264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: How often do they double? < 1371763549 657928 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm < 1371763556 434623 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And potential energy is mass times height times the gravitational constant < 1371763559 758038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see. I had like half as many ~12-16 months ago ish? < 1371763567 800079 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Taneb
< 1371763570 852355 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1371763580 238167 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, trout < 1371763601 353479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: OK, so let's say it's like Moore's law. < 1371763633 944564 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it seems a little quicker than Moore's law < 1371763644 201687 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more like an S curve? < 1371763654 738590 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the optimal plushie count < 1371763675 468477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure there is one in particular? < 1371763675 737413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: one more than whatever you have right now hth < 1371763676 272262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell is Hitchin < 1371763700 183242 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you said s curve < 1371763711 590105 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the asymptote! < 1371763726 327363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm mostly running out, I don't have many touhou ones I don't have I think < 1371763729 808443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most are like, permanently out of sto k < 1371763735 474192 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's new ones but only like, every reitaisai < 1371763739 503695 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see like three reimus < 1371763749 58512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two! < 1371763750 988021 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you trade two of them for a more obscure touhou < 1371763763 150149 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you fashion one into another < 1371763776 22795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make custom plushies but it's a lot of sewing work and stuff < 1371763798 281969 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking more... cosmetic surger < 1371763798 854219 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1371763827 727058 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :marisa -> maribel let's make it happen < 1371763869 636876 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to make new clothes and stuff <: < 1371763871 246646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember something about http://www.geocities.jp/igarashi_lab/plushie/index-e.html from a SIGGRAPH. < 1371763920 587056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally should have gotten all the madoka plushies when they were still in stock though < 1371763946 992334 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm away for an hour and people start talking about touhou-plushies, what is this? < 1371763967 401994 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora happened < 1371763968 472236 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##fiorateric < 1371763998 802819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :##fiora is a thing. < 1371763999 8069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: are you somehow... surprised by #esoteric's drifting topic < 1371764000 718887 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cute < 1371764003 666205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you been here forever < 1371764003 934302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Fiora left! < 1371764028 142564 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have < 1371764039 546182 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been touhou forever < 1371764040 385330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There are four people in ##fiora now! < 1371764045 477863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: https://room208.org/booru/data/9160f5fe9e4332617661b5d4f548dcd4.jpg um, I posted this < 1371764053 102137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't want us to talk about you behind your back, would you? < 1371764065 541901 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that's alot < 1371764070 946341 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that doesn't sound like a creepy threat at all shachaf < 1371764077 459223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaaaf < 1371764077 995173 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1371764087 999052 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :##fiora: now w/ fiora < 1371764089 603543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :-( < 1371764099 357330 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about four years of accumulated plushies! they're good for filling the rest of a queen size bed < 1371764100 428432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: no threat intended < 1371764102 845258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1371764116 673341 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just make the bed out of plushies < 1371764127 470403 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need a queen size bed! double beds are bourgeoisie < 1371764133 794759 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh for all the plushies < 1371764134 333448 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1371764150 841225 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like $50 or $100 extra? and I like being able to roll around and sprawl out and stuff < 1371764157 380307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I kind of have a bad tendency to somehow steal all the blankets < 1371764163 94589 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from yourself < 1371764166 115834 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1371764171 288519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think you will find that big beds are the best, hth. < 1371764180 235399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott knows his stuff < 1371764183 256318 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, yourself!! < 1371764183 795474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1371764205 89518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can basically lie down on it in any direction and fit < 1371764207 613739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept in a tiny bunk bed since i was like 3 and you don't hear me complaining! < 1371764211 634166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's hard to fit more than two people in a bed smaller than a queen < 1371764213 621903 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check your short privilege, fiora < 1371764214 731032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: have you considered getting a cat hth < 1371764221 132900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have! I'm also allergic < 1371764224 999593 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I stlil want a cat < 1371764232 168170 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a pet you're not allergic to then < 1371764232 514802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered that life without a cat is no life at all < 1371764236 34394 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a tarantula < 1371764239 790089 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or seven < 1371764240 861951 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundred < 1371764241 130249 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not good with sipders < 1371764243 5530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spiders < 1371764243 543459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think it's hard for more than two people to /sleep/ in the same bed, period < 1371764249 715351 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a snake < 1371764258 956471 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you tall people can like, get a king or something anyways < 1371764278 700806 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at school orientation there was one guy tall enough that he didn't fit in the dorm beds < 1371764281 646795 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. tragic < 1371764283 253687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Reading _The Door into Summer_ made me want to live with cats again. :-( < 1371764294 358613 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, I have a double bed but I curl up small < 1371764294 894525 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was like seven foot probably) < 1371764295 99819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :california king < 1371764307 17580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you going to become king of california < 1371764310 350599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1371764314 638073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the biggest bed in the universe #drugz < 1371764316 611435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll vote for you for king hth < 1371764338 392108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the universe is my bed hth < 1371764347 513498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's not how king works < 1371764351 894040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes but rarely < 1371764357 561153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plushies are good though, I tend to cling to them in my sleep instead of the blankets < 1371764362 426430 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though sometimes Iflail and knock them onto the floor to < 1371764377 562120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when i'm king i'll change how king works < 1371764384 825450 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably quite comfortably sleep in this spinny office chair < 1371764388 75150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im googling "huge bed" now #drugz < 1371764389 953886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, do you have to put them back or you feel guilty < 1371764401 561650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually leave them all on there all the time <.< that was just for the picture < 1371764407 814775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these beds arent very huge < 1371764409 960000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle messier < 1371764440 655999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are just fairly big beds < 1371764443 405325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come ON google < 1371764447 756731 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you got a trampoline < 1371764450 967940 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i should make autonomous plushies < 1371764451 172981 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put a sheet on it < 1371764455 556617 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they put themselves back on the bed < 1371764460 952218 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other advantages: easy to film horror movies < 1371764461 219877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there official definitions of what these "queen" and "king" sizes are? < 1371764465 53588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, toy story? < 1371764467 787371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1371764474 834183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed_sizes#Standard_North_American_sizes < 1371764476 444106 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like toy story but soft < 1371764483 985992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there furry porn and a picture of some socks. this is the worst image search ever < 1371764487 12338 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly with jetpacks, because climbing is a pretty hard behavior. < 1371764488 353958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to try "gigantic bed" instead < 1371764491 571933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also did you see my terrifying fact about RBMK reactors < 1371764495 129041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did you already know < 1371764506 281729 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying RBMK fact: RBMK is real < 1371764506 563192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it suggested "biggest bed in the world" lets go with that < 1371764506 769000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Aw, no ISO beds. < 1371764526 11980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/07/article-1178094-04D70DB8000005DC-311_634x466.jpg now THATS what i call a big bed < 1371764527 353607 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there an ISO standard on how to make tea? < 1371764530 114003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I did not see any fact about RBMK reactors at all. < 1371764540 158355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but big enough?? imo, no. < 1371764541 534032 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's what I call dailymail.co.uk < 1371764542 793676 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i don't think that's a proper matress < 1371764543 634201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are four operational RBMK reactors about 230 km from Helsinki < 1371764552 554324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the daily mail good < 1371764559 831781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is the opposite of good < 1371764582 284026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes ISO 3103, although it's not designed to produce the most delicious tea, just a standard tea for comparative purposes < 1371764614 76083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are they in St. Petersburg or something? < 1371764636 93821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you serious < 1371764649 196158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The method consists in extracting of soluble substances in dried tea leaf, containing in a porcelain or earthenware pot, by means of freshly boiling water, pouring of the liquor into a white porcelain or earthenware bowl, examination of the organoleptic properties of the infused leaf, and of the liquor with or without milk, or both. < 1371764654 105597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1371764659 556277 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily Mail is the newspaper that says "life is getting worse! porn everywhere! immigrants everywhere stealing our jobs! cancer everywhere! foxes everywhere! too many badgers! not enough badgers! immigrants buying our factories and giving us jobs!" < 1371764669 276820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The work was the winner of the parodic Ig Nobel Prize for Literature in 1999. < 1371764671 726364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unsurprisingly it's originally a British Standard. < 1371764672 530616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah nearby < 1371764702 219925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :immigrants stealing our badger cancer < 1371764707 153148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mnoqy attn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103 < 1371764707 358201 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1371764715 521953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/ < 1371764721 953099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight! < 1371764724 939866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.keepbanderabeautiful.org/earth-hospital-bed-i.jpg < 1371764736 371074 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-204.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1371764737 490057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a pretty big bed < 1371764743 433195 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks uncomfortable though. < 1371764767 380621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"400 - Bad Request" that's a "bad", not "bed". (I don't know why happen.) < 1371764797 35930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no finns allowed < 1371764802 238251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. no speech recognisers < 1371764820 286575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be so. < 1371764862 133597 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. i recognize speech. < 1371764874 501150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a bicycle. < 1371764877 182582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh i'm a finn < 1371764880 822782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: checkmate < 1371765005 452577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe our common bed widths here are 80, 90, 120, 160 and 180 cm. < 1371765056 426002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you would have a room that's just all bed < 1371765060 745372 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers make more sense than ours <.< < 1371765064 287227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see much of a use for non-bed areas of a room < 1371765073 701874 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need an area for your dresser, a hamper < 1371765076 955456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an area to change clothes, a mirror < 1371765087 519192 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a nightstand and alarm clock and stuff < 1371765089 928728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these sound like less efficient uses of space than more bed < 1371765096 158203 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, a pathway to exit the room and maybe a bathroom < 1371765096 963932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could make one of the walls out of mirror < 1371765105 647207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: The 120 cm size is kind of a weird, I think, since it's really quite wide for one, but also quite narrow for two. (Still, it's not *that* wide.) < 1371765124 521129 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you just replaced the floor with a mattress. < 1371765129 649822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this is my thinking yes < 1371765134 1877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why the "twin" is the smallest size < 1371765143 693699 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, fitting two people on a twin sounds a little uncomfortable < 1371765166 862471 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1371765194 933266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fitting two people in any bed is kind of tenuous imo < 1371765198 151357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I recently saw the layouts of the apartments they're building nearby, and the smallest ones have bedrooms where the bed fills the entire width of the room; there are separate doors out from the bedroom (into the living room area) from both sides of the ends of the room, but you can't go around the bed without going to another room. < 1371765213 307298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably fit 2 or 3 of me in my bed < 1371765217 970237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/27810/why-do-americans-call-single-beds-twin-beds < 1371765230 673015 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but do you < 1371765234 152296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hey are you doing cloning now < 1371765249 723935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is why you would want to < 1371765250 562232 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's kind of the thing I don't have a cloning machine < 1371765262 237442 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you ever read cavlin + hobbes < 1371765262 542238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a Fiora clone < 1371765266 63243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==Bike < 1371765274 192913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a friend would be nice < 1371765283 74446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our current bed is 160 cm, except you could argue it's not, since in reality it's two 80 cm beds with an extra mattress (160 cm wide, ~5 cm thick) on top to get rid of the gap in the middle. < 1371765289 779646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you would be too shy to make friends with yourself < 1371765305 277584 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: flanking maneuevers, sleeping in shifts to avoid being snuck up on < 1371765449 117685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure... maybe you're right, shachaf ... < 1371765496 582167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it would be Fiora^2 shyness < 1371765575 978447 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I'd know a priori that she was just as much an emotional wreck as I am! < 1371765643 210231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel more comfortable around people who are emotional wrecks? < 1371765662 346184 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know < 1371765667 204603 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everybody's an emotional wreck, so that works out pretty conveniently. < 1371765691 191714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ChanServ isn't an emotional wreck! < 1371765753 126490 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you even talked to chanserv < 1371765760 976970 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chanserv isn't just a slab of meat < 1371765810 195628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ChanServ a slab of < 1371765821 673892 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slabs of meat. < 1371765847 7965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i failed to find a bed bigger than that one < 1371765880 519443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I'd have someone to talk with assembly code and stuff about < 1371765932 977235 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had clones i'd specialize, so that we would have different things to talk about. < 1371765945 753811 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still keep some genericism because doing one thing is boring. < 1371765946 557394 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that would be pretty nice < 1371765947 361399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can talk with us about that!! hth < 1371765958 95603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I can have a fiora who knows all kinds of stuff in other topics and she can teach me lots of things < 1371765976 466740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like neurobiolo-- oh, wait, I already have one of those :3 < 1371765979 412527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you had a clone you would probably fight to the death "you're just that aggressive" < 1371765985 307849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :neurobiolo++ < 1371766033 821333 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: alas i'm not as cute or plushful. < 1371766044 921625 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yeah i'd probably have at least like, nine clones learn german swordfighting. < 1371766046 264099 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff you are pretty cute <.< < 1371766064 838483 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but plushful, nah, i OWN you on that front motherfucker" < 1371766130 810292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez plushieful has nothing to do with -me- < 1371766169 745349 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you explain allegations that your bed is filled with plush < 1371766177 599557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1371766186 924708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like if I had a friend that friend coujld enjoy the plushies too < 1371766234 967505 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well plush is a universal enjoyedment < 1371766331 539253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german swordfighting as opposed to < 1371766408 236369 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...all the o fucking serious < 1371766410 113501 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1371766415 21477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other kinds of swordfighting? < 1371766437 719609 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a specifically german kind though < 1371766449 889710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :germane swordfighting hth < 1371766456 437054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn germane < 1371766457 777083 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "germane" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1371766457 982219 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :germane < 1371766457 982312 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: relevant and appropriate; "he asks questions that are < 1371766457 982360 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : germane and central to the issue" < 1371766469 112185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm from now on we say "germane" instead of "on-topic" < 1371766471 528921 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :germane, the methane analogue with germanium < 1371766486 940446 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_school_of_fencing < 1371766490 960753 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you read gunnerkrigg! < 1371766528 164177 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1371766535 471409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up on webcomics < 1371766541 95994 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think university is to blame < 1371766579 527260 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a shit < 1371766619 804726 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371766646 694746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higgledy Piggledy / Bicycle Bicycle / pushed his clone button and / heard it go Boink. // Now he can not only / neurobiologize / but also transmogrify; / quoth Bike: "oink oink". < 1371766704 708474 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikes don't make that noise >: < 1371766730 128920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do when you transmogrify them < 1371766890 124577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, fancy: a 7-plug extension cord, configured such that one hole is a "master", and when you turn off the device connected to that hole, it cuts off four other holes; the idea being that when you turn off your TV, the other related things like externally powered subwoofers and whatnot will also automatically power off. < 1371766913 142180 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1371766925 398509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they'll invent next! < 1371766986 44265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no Great Stagnation. < 1371767002 912447 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1371767006 668877 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Great Stagnation the thing where we close the patent office because everything's been invented < 1371767010 414635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at university they gave us a bunch of those because green! but most of us didn't have the right use case for them, so they were just a nuisance < 1371767048 412649 :NihilistDandy!~textual@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371767072 452887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Stagnation < 1371767086 569546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read this < 1371767114 933077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My wife's mother was trying to give one away, due to lack of the right use case; it's very possible she got it from somewhere because green. < 1371767121 695578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know "There is no Great Stagnation" (from his blog) as a cheeky way to praise a consumer tech gizmo of questionable utility < 1371767123 843045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugz i like how this exists < 1371767142 732382 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugz are important < 1371767147 869078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drukqs < 1371767158 25473 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're one of the ishooz of the youf < 1371767172 212267 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-69.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/139464/j-bradford-delong/the-second-great-depression which i read today because literally needing pills just isn't depressing enough < 1371767181 631259 :NihilistDandy!~textual@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1371767230 35933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James has stated that the title is not related to drugs, and is 'just a word [he] made up.'" that's what they always say. < 1371767276 136382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1371767280 540109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucy in the sky with diamonds < 1371767307 371896 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you accidentally make up drugz < 1371767349 415256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go to prizon < 1371767621 881442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get Verizon in prizon? < 1371767633 430964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on the horizon < 1371767656 627021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think i'm addicted to drugz < 1371767658 245507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word < 1371767673 299219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp time for an intervention < 1371767677 635339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunrise over the verizon. (The joke is, Sunrise is an operator too.) < 1371767714 123399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intervenzion < 1371768289 902514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the verizon radar < 1371768621 322869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks User:Thylacine222 < 1371770685 971158 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1371770777 697171 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371770969 335159 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1371770979 647892 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371770986 492134 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1371771076 494253 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371771267 49429 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1371771442 178237 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371771654 572310 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1371771684 252229 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1371771758 334762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stitch in time saves nine < 1371771761 677501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etymology[edit] < 1371771761 883045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the practice of mending a small tear in cloth before it becomes a larger one. < 1371771764 930219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what that means < 1371771811 936399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought it was related to _A Wrinkle in Time_?????????? < 1371771878 48520 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1371771894 812584 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1371771916 580572 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric