< 1372204964 516542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel for "scare quoted" people | where even "hi" is a p. complicated in-joke | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1372205132 356886 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm still learning < 1372205155 362394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1372205171 505923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi o'erjan < 1372205189 496999 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys ever talk about anything interesting < 1372205205 552018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372205223 65183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try sometimes but I'm not very good at starting conversations < 1372205229 528052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't seem to be interested in a lot of the stuff I am so < 1372205263 261681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which stuff < 1372205289 324815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: what do you find interesting? you could try to start a conversation on one of those topics < 1372205291 982971 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i reached the scene with the french guy ranting about how the french lost all their wars < 1372205298 559681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me a lot of the conversations in here are interesting < 1372205306 136732 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not really interested in stuff :/ < 1372205307 882189 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :times never change :') < 1372205312 717666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the ones that aren't me talking to myself < 1372205326 965848 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla, what about compactness `q. interesting imo' < 1372205338 289759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apocalypse now mentions france, huh < 1372205351 265328 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho can we talk about compactness though < 1372205361 616564 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing to say < 1372205374 990026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the 'redux' editions they run into some french colonists who are still around for some reason < 1372205394 878379 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372205398 971460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the kmc talking to himself conversations < 1372205406 857160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the kmc talking to other people conversations < 1372205416 487926 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's an extension of the 'going backwards through vietnamese history' thing < 1372205449 764531 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Um... I like astrophysics and computer architecture and strategy games and JRPGs and otome games and plushies and mahou shoujo and some other things and there doesn't seem to be that much overlap there < 1372205491 496834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: ending with jungle warlords? < 1372205505 774290 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess (i haven't reached that far yet) < 1372205510 821652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to make bacteria plushies (bacteria are cute) < 1372205521 344011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can buy those! I actually have two < 1372205534 738212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: do they use the motto "gotta catch them all" < 1372205536 931445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo they should do that < 1372205538 187061 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/6708/ < 1372205546 495461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh clearly, a manga where magical girls learn astrophysics and computer architecture < 1372205548 759609 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend sent me the mono virus < 1372205558 71205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how romantic < 1372205558 456748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably so he could say "I gave fiora kissing disease" < 1372205582 948598 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he is a terrible^Wwonderful flirt) < 1372205594 504490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ok so those exist but maybe they didn't exist back when i thought about it < 1372205609 140778 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, no blood tube < 1372205625 343996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An otome game (乙女ゲーム otome gēmu?, lit. "maiden game") is a video game that is targeted towards a female market, where one of the main goals, besides the plot goal, is to develop a romantic relationship between the female player character and one of several male, or occasionally female characters. < 1372205641 614183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "visual novel" a better general term <.< < 1372205659 541462 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, so are you a fan of mass effect < 1372205676 373991 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :garrus isn't very bishie. imo. < 1372205713 934006 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you read japanese? < 1372205721 446877 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, how do you know < 1372205729 928919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i can money through gmail now < 1372205736 508867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :send < 1372205743 19010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like harry potter except they are all learning computer architecture < 1372205768 573292 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.64.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh clearly, a manga where magical girls learn astrophysics and computer architecture <-- id read this < 1372205774 124100 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd also read it. < 1372205778 697285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1372205780 31505 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.64.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just putting that out there" < 1372205785 719251 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't < 1372205803 875401 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.64.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bad taste in manga" < 1372205817 895685 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372205821 503880 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry phantom, objectively bad taste there. < 1372205826 963235 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played mass effect 1 and 2 but I lost a bit of interest towards the end, I should play 3 sometime though < 1372205832 896235 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was like "aghghghg I have to download origin", and so I never did < 1372205839 585186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :garrus was pretty wonderful though < 1372205848 992677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my favorite character had no romance route, buuut < 1372205856 438593 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you often like "aghghghg"? < 1372205859 585204 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the opera guy wasn't it < 1372205864 401516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it < 1372205877 468729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiU6kiq_Ms ? < 1372205891 617856 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayep. < 1372205901 354126 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mordin was so completely amazing < 1372205908 628214 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you, mordin < 1372205909 870761 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blordin < 1372205930 152930 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that musta been a fun acting job. < 1372205951 968508 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: I -wish- I could. but the amount of japanese I know could fit on half a page < 1372205976 903250 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one am often like "aghghghg" < 1372205995 700562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1372206007 770928 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I should play 3 sometime though" probably don't play it after... sanctuary? < 1372206022 360370 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some would say you should stop after tuchanka < 1372206042 964171 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372206060 216637 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the infamous ending/macroplot clusterfuck < 1372206065 158491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I kind of like bioware's older games better... I hope dragon age 3 is okay at least < 1372206098 218626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fairness they have some really wonderful writers so... < 1372206100 473161 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora hm why dont you write that all out then fill the rest of the page with new words and learn it all < 1372206113 888288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's like. a lot of it < 1372206119 231988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because learning a language like that takes years of practice and dedication and is really difficult < 1372206154 333020 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i understand, the talent pool at bioware has become incredibly diluted < 1372206198 727547 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're now split across what, two or three different studios now? and they have a bunch more staff, and they're now locked into EA's AAA release cycle < 1372206204 138453 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah >_< < 1372206241 90366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is armikrog going to make it y/n < 1372206253 457155 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1372206265 297345 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/ < 1372206267 955952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pessimist__Hoover < 1372206268 374881 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1372206294 222374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh no :'( < 1372206365 936138 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that extrapolating from the last two or three data points seems enough for it to make it. So if the latest trend continues… < 1372206393 408193 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that is pretty infuriating < 1372206400 311288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/#chart-daily < 1372206450 164194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inquiry: I might be getting hired by Google. Yes or very yes on not finishing college? < 1372206474 293154 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: as in, dropping out and going to google? < 1372206484 913262 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Si < 1372206494 69569 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$i < 1372206500 176015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: if they're willing to actually have you do it, very yes, unless you're working on chrome (imo) < 1372206506 907913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$√−1 < 1372206514 834009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're actually going to go full-time, internal mobility is high, so whatever < 1372206514 938879 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far made it past the initial phone screen. < 1372206526 800529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With them knowing that that's where I'm at. < 1372206573 708765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noting also that I've been at least considering dropping out *as is*. < 1372206597 140755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Weird numpad bug < 1372206630 455185 :kgoret!~terogk@u.nxsh.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: count the number of times you hear "cool" in your interview. if more than 7 stay in school. < 1372206680 780766 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kgoret: Google backend stuff. < 1372206725 550040 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a recruiter contacting me... < 1372206777 211278 :augur!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372206795 757350 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get a job offer or just a recruiter email? < 1372206807 633024 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recruiter email & initial interview. < 1372206921 668713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's any sort of guarantee you'll get a job at all... recruiters send out a whole bunch of emails, I don't think they have any influence on the interview process and whether or not you get a job < 1372206955 950601 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not, I'm just hopeful. And gonna see where this leads. < 1372206995 618854 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm getting kinda sick of going through college this fucking slowly. < 1372207059 82739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the rate I'm going I'll be bald when I get my diploma. < 1372207108 382208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brilliant artist must be bald and daring < 1372207224 9964 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372207313 870167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why is chrome so bad, compared to google's 90000 other projects < 1372207319 776994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think chrome is at least a lot more interesting < 1372207331 49991 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372207349 602518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Google usually doesn't tell you what specific project you'd work on, until they give you an offer < 1372207352 652934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1372207369 797956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kgoret: no it's all about "awesome" now < 1372207382 386859 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tell you the general area they'll be hiring in. < 1372207386 253125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372207410 353378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should think hard on whether you want to commit to being at Google a few years < 1372207414 176308 :augur!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372207422 280576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because absent a diploma, you'd be using that experience to sell future employers < 1372207436 267233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know which office you'd be in? < 1372207441 953883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mountain View. < 1372207462 932901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1372207470 856486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cool office < 1372207473 974214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as cool as SF, but I hear it's really hard to get a spot there < 1372207492 329460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists so that Google can acqui-hire SF startups who won't sell unless they can stay in the city ;P < 1372207493 725705 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *is* the Googleplex. < 1372207499 65234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear SF isn't so much of an engineering office or something. < 1372207508 604918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I know some people doing engineering there < 1372207519 66441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Have you been applying to lots of jobs or is this just Google contacting you out of the blue < 1372207533 463999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I just don't like working on chrome < 1372207535 542127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Out of the blue. < 1372207547 707795 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: score < 1372207563 967612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: do you think you have the patience & energy to do a bit of a job search to see if you can do better than Google (wrt whatever your own goals are) < 1372207573 953367 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I highly recommend infrastructure teams if you can get there < 1372207582 686485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's what I'm being recruited for. < 1372207593 51205 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: score! < 1372207606 6952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some regrets over not doing "job searches" in the past and mostly taking the first job that came along < 1372207608 75839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :google infrastructure is like a playground < 1372207625 93164 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no, I'm pretty sure there's few jobs in the world better than a Google infrastructure engineer < 1372207632 517484 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, I'll probably be poking around some more. I'll just say this particular one is damned tempting. < 1372207676 394320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you're making some assumptions about what pikhq_ wants there < 1372207691 425521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty arrogant of you < 1372207699 530730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big companies have a lot of disadvantages too < 1372207723 575142 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll possibly also see if my current internship can be made more... permanent. < 1372207759 369535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Google corporate culture is not to everyone's liking < 1372207762 795726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no culture is < 1372207763 682425 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: everyone thinks exactly like me < 1372207767 30953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1372207768 240867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :including elliott in particular < 1372207912 693291 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that trans-related health care things are part of the benefits makes it somewhat more tempting, considering my girlfriend... < 1372207926 426423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's very nice < 1372207943 550371 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading google and microsoft were basically the two best in that category, so that's probably a good reason < 1372207960 805868 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That really shouldn't be the sole basis on which I decide, but it definitely is something in their favor. < 1372207962 700519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wording I assume you aren't married so, does Google cover non-married domestic partner whatever health care? < 1372207974 238449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some companies do < 1372207992 539526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1372207992 560066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla will < 1372207992 560247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1372207993 441925 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it'd be literally impossible for us to marry as-is. < 1372207996 504437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1372208002 376529 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking gay marriage laws. < 1372208045 614797 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, hopefully that law won't be very soon < 1372208051 101546 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1372208079 391360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're lucky, it'll be moot in a day. < 1372208095 786960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, yeah, is the DOMA decision coming out tomorrow? < 1372208099 69879 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1372208107 40226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez, I really really hope there's sanity >_< < 1372208124 368069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people literally waiting on that to be able to be together (green cards, etc) < 1372208124 388726 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOMA decision? < 1372208125 398062 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uh you did hear bout their ruling today, didn't you. < 1372208128 779202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not much hope for that" < 1372208135 343241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: defense of marriage act < 1372208148 653548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be stunned if they uphold prop. 8. < 1372208169 462331 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOMA is the problematic one though, because it kind of doesn't matter if the state endorses a marriage if the federal government won't :/ < 1372208172 49307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sanity, i meant. not being too serious < 1372208191 362001 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'm just saying that prop. 8 is nearly impossible to uphold because of the details of the case. < 1372208208 701006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The defense of prop. 8 was basically "gay people are icky!" < 1372208224 62701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: is that really true < 1372208230 81340 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can't get a green card < 1372208237 702891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't file taxes with the IRS, I think, as a couple < 1372208242 423999 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1372208260 491757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Google will pay you the difference. :P < 1372208279 748377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for example child custody, health care decisions, etc. would be mostly state issues, no? < 1372208284 415589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a couple who's basically waiting on it, though they can cheat because one of them could probably legitimately get papers saying she was either male or female depending on what the government insisted on < 1372208289 850187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are entirely state issues. < 1372208303 207417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it's not a full victory but I think saying it "doesn't matter" is wrong < 1372208307 129063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1372208317 771610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I guess it matters in some ways? but like it's missing a lot of important parts < 1372208321 6582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the more legally gay-married people exist, the more pressure there will be to repeal / strike down DOMA < 1372208343 929357 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi we're married and fuck this thing" < 1372208344 911576 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Most* of the things dealing with marriage are state law issues actually. < 1372208346 715658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally get pissed off when people say "X is useless!" to mean "X isn't perfect", it happens a lot in discussions of computer security and things like that < 1372208353 364900 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok kmc < 1372208355 535259 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's not what I meant >_< more like, it loses a lot of it < 1372208356 153178 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there there < 1372208356 664914 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1372208359 209076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372208363 170530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have phrased it better < 1372208370 610509 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green card, IRS, and federal employment benefits are, like, it < 1372208382 580839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you should come visit canada, get hitched, and leave < 1372208404 684890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sneaky. < 1372208405 816808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You managed to upload an image so large that Danbooru 2's thumbnailing job gets whacked by the OOM killer" in other news < 1372208415 639383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done < 1372208459 719730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: was it a specially-crafted compressed image or something < 1372208460 393056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole bypassing-the-problem-by-being-trans thing is interesting though < 1372208466 764471 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I know a couple of two gay men who have been married for like, 15 years < 1372208472 662411 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is longer than any state has allowed gay marriage < 1372208486 229503 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: apparently unintentional! < 1372208495 365317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much of a compression ratio can you get < 1372208509 429472 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's animated. < 1372208536 552906 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372208538 704795 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 MB. < 1372208539 289751 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a couple that got divorced after one of them transitioned. That was interesting. < 1372208540 971505 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's maybe not as totally ridiculous as the thing that some lesbians apparently did back in the 70s, where one was younger than 18 and one was older, and they'd have the older one adopt the younger one to get legal/tax benefits @_@ < 1372208550 195999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1372208550 367134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor guy, getting asked if he was the wife. < 1372208595 689041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that the legal status is that the legal gender status *at the time* is what matters. If it was heterosexual and is now gay that's just fine!) < 1372208614 542130 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's kind of an odd legal loophole < 1372208624 704978 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a peach, US legal system. an incomprehensible peach < 1372208794 430057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens if you have a gay marriage in a state and then it becomes straight? < 1372208853 755930 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... that... I have no idea < 1372208861 19170 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372208867 313649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*There's* a confusing edge case for ya. < 1372208877 103334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iowa just implodes < 1372208881 859523 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the laws clearly need to be refactored or something < 1372208886 613613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that gender is no longer assumed to be const < 1372208900 419834 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or from the set {Male, Female} < 1372208926 430704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gender need to be mentioned < 1372208932 81975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not generally. < 1372208952 119672 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess it matters for people who are exclusively andro- or gynophilic? < 1372208953 123153 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/gay bla bla < 1372209001 677977 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pan is the best orientation < 1372209019 434569 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1372209026 75253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or none at all, I suppose. < 1372209097 15336 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1372209115 551599 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gender: basically a roman surface < 1372209118 33001 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1372209127 505116 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's the roman surface < 1372209138 260150 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s non-orientable and looks dumb < 1372209147 954742 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am glaring at that author for thinking "asexual" is a sex < 1372209150 605173 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.<;; < 1372209152 378401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum gay < 1372209157 367989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quantum of gay < 1372209160 955881 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372209216 42038 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: presumably as in "lacks sexual organs" < 1372209229 473857 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{biology} < 1372209276 498499 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i remember the usual term < 1372209293 335877 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia doesn't have "list of sexes". imo, rage < 1372209321 424456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls up "sex is a social construction to justify gender" infographicdiagram, etc, etc < 1372209364 491908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know the problems with "lacks sexual organs" as a meaningful designation too < 1372209371 113763 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peoplescience is hard < 1372209381 982577 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372209386 178104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I am pretty sure he thought "asexual" was just a natural construction for "devoid of (biological) sex". < 1372209399 135615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphous_perversity my god. < 1372209399 299651 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what actually isn't a social construct < 1372209406 624338 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pants < 1372209412 556881 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only Real objects < 1372209425 134024 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah, I know, I'm not being toooo serious < 1372209438 964960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should pick up a psychoanalysis textbook sometime just for the humor value < 1372209494 610871 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up Category:Sexual_orientation, runs into "autovampirism" < 1372209513 84973 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucking the oil from cars < 1372209514 851183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in b4 category theory joke < 1372209516 761075 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously he has the weird gender-sex conflation in place. < 1372209552 281628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_asexuals i think this category needs some work < 1372209571 994367 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks, doesn't see sherlock holmes  < 1372209590 649203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, exactly. < 1372209591 476115 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he was gay for watson, duh < 1372209601 729451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that chick in the spacecoyote comic. < 1372209603 702398 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is it's usually not explicit in canon >_< < 1372209610 835387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ends mental list of fictional asexuals < 1372209629 610169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sophie is sort of fan-assumed to be aromantic but.... < 1372209675 318198 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pilot! < 1372209707 253820 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me that i should take a botany class because i have very little idea of how plants fuck and it seems fascinating < 1372209727 385728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy i voted for for senate won < 1372209735 376553 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from twelve? < 1372209735 572761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means i win too right < 1372209741 253333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372209750 713105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if twelve wins we all win < 1372209754 367437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1372209758 52558 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1372209800 216542 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(biology) Having no distinct sex, having no sexual organs." aha there we go < 1372209808 864177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just need to figure out a less ambiguous term < 1372209813 676974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it means you have superpowers < 1372209819 756394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: vote for me next time hth < 1372209820 135415 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is CLEARLY not a doomed effort because sex is unambiguous < 1372209872 994657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even friggin' biological notions of sex are complicated. < 1372209884 662218 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neuter....? though that's the name of a gender too :/ < 1372209890 912914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A statuette of Aphroditus in the anasyromenos pose. The ancient Greeks and Romans believed the pose had apotropaic magical power." this is going well. < 1372209902 596371 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://pbfcomics.com/146/ < 1372209915 349023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but like < 1372209922 99840 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hermaphroditic plants?? what's the deal < 1372209927 123708 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the deal. < 1372209941 107477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I kind of wonder like... why did animals ever stop being hermaphrodites < 1372209950 298752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo read about sexual reproduction in fungi < 1372209963 445455 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, isn't it more efficient to have two animals mate, and then they can *both* carry children, and stuff < 1372209967 468870 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's one of the more old and controversial questions in evolutionary biology. < 1372209968 887309 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like snails < 1372209981 666583 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :< < 1372209987 703869 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's interesting. < 1372209989 544041 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that's a really good question, why do so many species have two sexes? < 1372210018 1741 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it comes from the whole chromosomal thing? I mean like there's only a couple sex chromosome systems, right? < 1372210023 18706 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to more, or as opposed to no differentiation? < 1372210027 483482 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There's several. < 1372210035 131451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, there's two or three in the mammals. < 1372210042 123648 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's... ZW, XY, X0, and temperature? < 1372210047 752635 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also sexual differentiation systems not based on chromosomes < 1372210053 58705 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the common ones, Fiora. < 1372210053 423690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hey, do you want to be on `pbflist!! < 1372210060 336362 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperature for example isn't exclusive of ZW < 1372210061 500863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On November 3, 2010, scientists announced the discovery of a female Boa constrictor that can produce offspring without mating and, through such asexual reproduction, produced 22 female offspring" O_O < 1372210067 724480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, may i suggest......`pbflistdeluxe < 1372210073 517526 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1372210086 525420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The platypus has a ten-chromosome–based system, where the chromosomes form a multivalent chain in male meiosis, segregating into XXXXX-sperm and YYYYY-sperm, with XY-equivalent chromosomes at one end of this chain and the ZW-equivalent chromosomes at the other end." < 1372210089 873027 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you didn't know about that? we've known about [iforgettheword] for years < 1372210096 112452 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes platypi are fucking nuts < 1372210101 244536 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZW?? < 1372210101 647454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :platypi are crazy < 1372210109 705726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZW is used by birds < 1372210113 114337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other animals < 1372210114 904573 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: sex chromosomes. < 1372210115 697139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many reptiles. < 1372210123 411856 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, what's the damn word. < 1372210131 117893 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For females reproducing w/o insemination < 1372210133 341326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 should design some biological systems imo < 1372210135 759987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parthenogenesis < 1372210140 38563 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. thank you. < 1372210143 387136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some reptiles can do it yeah < 1372210155 142405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you poke a frog egg with a pin it will start to grow into a haploid frog (??) < 1372210167 224254 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha those experiments are the best. < 1372210175 99181 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how can we fuck up frog eggs... oh. oh wow" < 1372210186 797057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex determination is best described as "complex". < 1372210196 354048 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad the woman who started them died young :( < 1372210215 618118 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, parthanogenesis, that's the thing < 1372210240 131633 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnemidophorus_neomexicanus oh woowwww < 1372210242 637995 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an all-female species < 1372210248 142755 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, matriarchy < 1372210254 362147 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah that's the lizard i was thinking of. < 1372210259 827609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were on Bill Nye or something. < 1372210272 242915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. Many species have two distinct sexes simply because sexual reproduction works based off of combination of male and female gametes. < 1372210321 213494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two mating types of yeast are conventionally known as "a" and "α" < 1372210335 516615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1372210348 995870 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1372210349 914531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like ascomycetes typically have two mating types, while basidiomycetes can have thousands < 1372210351 674352 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh huh, there's a word specifically for two-sex reproduction, "anisogamy" < 1372210359 246006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a protozoan with 7 sexes. < 1372210366 588920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :7... sexes....? wow < 1372210378 862002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thousands beats 7 < 1372210386 314348 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also different kinds of anisogamy based on which cells are motile. < 1372210387 342977 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1372210394 218447 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc for president of mushroom sex < 1372210413 547153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has two separate nuclei. < 1372210429 613934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372210430 404693 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basidiomycete#Smuts < 1372210431 905636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungi do that too < 1372210434 328974 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smuts < 1372210435 57865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are basidiomycetes called "smuts" < 1372210449 3969 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I I just I can't < 1372210453 876979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the haploid mycelia meet, if the mating types are compatible, the nuclei spread out and you get cells with one from each < 1372210477 630438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's that organism which can produce spores and a fruiting body < 1372210480 590789 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah, corn smut. :P < 1372210480 699164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee mushrooms < 1372210488 725223 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what i'm getting out of this is that i should refer to people without sex as "anamorphs" because everybody liked that series < 1372210490 785061 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc likes his mushrooms XD < 1372210506 427542 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372210518 288568 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think the only thing I remember about that book series was the cute falcon boy < 1372210525 72590 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there were like, blue horses < 1372210528 632127 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with psychic powers < 1372210532 440972 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never read it. < 1372210547 152390 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man sometimes i forget how fucking amazing zoology is < 1372210554 362990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distinguishing characteristic: Accordion-like extensible thorax < 1372210592 980 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umbrella-like scales at each end < 1372210611 94083 :AProperNoun!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1372210612 700455 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that one's name means "corset bearer" this is a pretty sexy... oh yeah i remember these things now. < 1372210622 430128 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded an obscure NOAA manual just so i could get high res art of them < 1372210636 637105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed Animorphs, though I was young. < 1372210640 314755 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pliciloricus_enigmatus.jpg i mean, can you blame me? imo, no. < 1372210646 184656 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372210651 261630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yeah, the Andalites. Fucking weird blue horse-men. < 1372210664 473107 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello, i'm an old one" < 1372210672 495484 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372210699 44410 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1372210727 956919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mouth surrounded by invertible tentacles" is going on my grindr profile, i think < 1372210738 942530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :til: bike has a grindr profile < 1372210754 387410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. Should I? < 1372210757 360959 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have six, one for each appendage < 1372210816 521487 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, how are there only six phyla of fungi. < 1372210826 540731 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you taxonomists < 1372210873 514674 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372210877 944715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it wrong if I just want to like watch you squee over biology and zoology stuff for hours < 1372210878 874509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, an entire phylum is just for "uh i dunno". < 1372210893 305324 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's pretty boring to see. i just sit on the computer flicking through tabs < 1372210901 132336 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372210920 669891 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be entertaining if i like juggled at the same time. < 1372210926 94577 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun watching you from here :< < 1372210932 192089 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The Fungi imperfecti or imperfect fungi, also known as Deuteromycota, are fungi which do not fit into the commonly established taxonomic classifications of fungi that are based on biological species concepts or morphological characteristics of sexual structures because their sexual form of reproduction has never been observed; hence the name "imperfect fungi." » nevermind, this rules < 1372210954 27138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna be one of these when i grow up < 1372210965 20633 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372210968 937773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I spend a lot of time doing that. < 1372210974 428671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sometimes they have observed the sexually reproducing phase and the asexual phase but they don't know it's the same species < 1372210978 780723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I date a biologist. :P < 1372210983 10412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :costs a lot of money to sequence the genome of every random fungus you find < 1372211003 143984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, the ubiquitous and industrially important mold, Aspergillus niger, has no known sexual cycle." wait. fro real < 1372211007 290312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungi are kind of the neglected kingdom when it comes to research money < 1372211022 163800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's literally mold. we don't know how mold reproduces??? < 1372211054 616380 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's kind of funny when we did that with animals (not knowing they're different forms of the same organism) < 1372211123 204517 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf how is that not known < 1372211134 540570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the heyday of the opium trade, chandu opium, which was meant to be smoked, was made by long term fermentation of A. niger and other molds on raw opium." I... < 1372211180 179035 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372211185 103315 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: well we know they do asexual sporing. < 1372211251 252035 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you guys all know so much biology btw < 1372211262 537606 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading wikipedia articles constantly < 1372211274 811702 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know any biology < 1372211314 636940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: Read Wikipedia, talk about neat things found from said reading with my girlfriend. < 1372211318 600648 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who is a biologist) < 1372211326 122747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i need to work on the second part. < 1372211330 276931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1372211365 398180 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have an amazing ability to shove random trivia in my head. < 1372211366 656920 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372211389 624074 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372211392 682994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My coworkers are a little stunned that I can just talk in-depth about the archictectures of old game consoles. < 1372211399 531449 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I absorb some things by talking with bike < 1372211404 624022 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like listening to him ramble about cool bio things < 1372211416 753769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess he probably absorbs tiny bits of my incomprehensible cpu nonsense or physics < 1372211429 271458 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shotgun slurry approach to learning < 1372211463 769402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's me. Try to learn everything by gradually approaching mastery of all subjects simultaneously. < 1372211529 471908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the isogamy article has sections (sexions) on biology and also anthropology < 1372211538 351060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexions? < 1372211560 557080 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started typing "sex" when writing "sections" because of the conversation. < 1372211562 562462 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a perv man < 1372211595 756133 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Evolsex-dia2a.svg oh, cool graph. < 1372211600 132022 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :picture. thing. < 1372211613 584469 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike really is a perv, gosh, he's probably undressing those arthropods with his eyes. gosh, what a creep! < 1372211637 983991 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, fruiting bodies, you come here often? < 1372211656 920332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, perversion. < 1372211663 682145 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a definite pervosexual < 1372211753 62723 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372211770 686551 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean o_O < 1372211827 318991 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay away from me pikhq!! i have nematocysts and i'm not afraid to use them < 1372211840 331534 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alessonislearned.com/index.php?comic=17 It means I read this. < 1372211861 949142 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't believe that updated again. < 1372211890 997910 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372211928 840689 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372212075 26971 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372212201 263023 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1372212390 670036 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.64.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372212622 284482 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372214481 40856 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372214484 434532 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372214517 437770 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372214530 912536 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372214540 995015 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372215006 718005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, how's it working for pretty much the only web browser that exists, Mozilla 5.0? < 1372215097 233495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there was a better way to make that joke < 1372215544 507409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there was a not-incomprehensible way to make that joke < 1372215565 112133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard shachaf is like, a total expert on being non-incomprehensible < 1372215627 249440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What, you're an intuitionist now? < 1372215633 773170 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1372215653 784237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-incomprehensible" < 1372215657 391065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you're being incomprehensible < 1372215660 56276 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1372215663 215697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess kmc was the intuitionist here. < 1372215664 787491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372215672 705025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you keep saying I'm incomprehensible? < 1372215696 605553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-elliott said he felt that way toob ut..... sorry < 1372215704 789268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like not see how that conversation works < 1372215715 956111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ? < 1372215727 77482 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[incomprehensible joke]" "Why do you keep saying I'm incomprehensible?" < 1372215785 295371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Intuitionistic logic is logic where "not (not x)" doesn't necessarily imply "x". < 1372215818 139862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said not-incomprehensible. I thought it was a joke. But it turns out to be kmc's joke. < 1372216008 999641 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372216174 485217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a joke, it was double negation for emphasis < 1372216193 48201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i said "i'm sure there was a comprehensible way to make that joke" it wouldn't have made the point as strongly that Sgeo's joke was incomprehensible < 1372216248 592332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough < 1372216265 493126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was trying to make a joke about the ubiquity of Mozilla/5.0 < 1372216265 715706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not-not-false enough < 1372216271 172710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in user agents? < 1372216273 615546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372216275 421318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372216285 704583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Am I actually more incomprehensible than other people in here? < 1372216288 964182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't started working for Mozilla yet < 1372216344 76989 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I... sorry I guess it kind of feels like that sometime... < 1372216353 172012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott told me not to worry because it was normal to get confused... < 1372216482 816325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I ask you a question without you feeling accused (or whatever it is)? < 1372216488 863959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf makes a lot of oblique jokes < 1372216499 92362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I suspect elliott was joking when he said that, though I can't say for sure. < 1372216514 150852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other kind of logic too, other than intuitionistic logic. < 1372216531 736107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like non-intuitionistic logic and non-non-intuitionistic logic < 1372216533 936491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was trying to ocomfort me... < 1372216536 125402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused... < 1372216577 592771 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he was. < 1372216579 710170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or explain. < 1372216608 119372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something like "don't worry, it's normal to get confused when shachaf says something" is a sort of friendly way of making fun of me... But maybe I'm the one who doesn't comprehend! < 1372216615 529323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is modal logic, too. < 1372216898 266767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people < 1372216909 984102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't live with 'em, can't dismantle their bodies for trace amounts of iron to make paperclips < 1372216948 563292 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame imo < 1372216961 997562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :differently-shaped-and-sized bags of mostly oxygen? < 1372216980 491220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are up in arms about Dilbert < 1372216983 370459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly oxygen? I guess so, since we're mostly water < 1372216986 440661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RSS feed no longer displays the comic < 1372216992 167672 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers referring to cars as "bags of mostly steel" < 1372216996 335348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote People are up in arms about Dilbert < 1372217000 65565 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1062) People are up in arms about Dilbert < 1372217001 680742 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body < 1372217007 864765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pied.nu/banned/the_Dilbert_Hole/ < 1372217012 691974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-06-25/ < 1372217012 712553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh nsfw i guess < 1372217013 324868 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're apparentlyabout 65% oxygen by mass? < 1372217019 121121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1372217026 120003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomically, i assume? < 1372217036 724435 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372217052 465984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that makes me think of Guess Which Anime, >_> < 1372217054 768820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. women have less water/oxygen than men < 1372217065 264479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so THAT'S how you can tell < 1372217077 207856 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have oxydar, man < 1372217090 384383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean that a really thourough SRS involves oxygen supplements too < 1372217101 839436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I'd guess it's just the difference in fat % < 1372217110 968342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1372217114 540769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not anything else really < 1372217129 967075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I % < 1372217138 644054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a compose combo for that < 1372217155 12478 :augur!~augur@98.231.232.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372217158 120917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's fullwidth % < 1372217160 697169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372217160 750202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so p. not < 1372217164 328156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just switch to japanese mode for fullwidth characters < 1372217173 287527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x weeaboo < 1372217187 719103 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fullwidth characters are my waifu < 1372217192 360746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :‱ < 1372217195 699142 :augur!~augur@98.231.232.27 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372217199 324416 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1372217202 203892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0/000 < 1372217202 924407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought your waifu was like. some strange fungus < 1372217203 226681 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1372217205 560671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a halfwidth thousandth < 1372217205 762037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :キガン < 1372217217 460997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :メカィステル < 1372217219 249297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372217223 749701 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: LOVE KNOWS NO NUMBERS! Except if it's the euler-mascheroni constant which is also my waifu < 1372217241 134794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is my name? < 1372217247 181809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second iS? < 1372217249 343996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally they're both your name < 1372217253 469787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1372217254 540870 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the feigenbaum constants. either/or < 1372217273 355178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kigan Meka~isuteru < 1372217297 824631 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. kawaii < 1372217302 719848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande has official arabic and cyrillic and chinese spellings of his name < 1372217308 336494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because various border officials asked for it < 1372217349 968393 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: though apparently by #mm rules a waifu is something assigned to you by others < 1372217359 626377 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1372217362 344219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's #mm < 1372217364 780037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a waifu < 1372217366 227047 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily i can just say stupid shit and nobody objeccts < 1372217371 980038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am i the incomprehensible one hth < 1372217373 9735 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: (don't tell him what #mm is) < 1372217383 154217 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice. < 1372217393 332302 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more public figures should have official transliterations < 1372217407 3057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :лександе < 1372217409 399719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aлександеr < 1372217420 471801 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, okay I won't < 1372217425 414718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help :'( < 1372217439 564131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lexande is a public figure < 1372217444 667686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i should convince him to come back to this channel < 1372217450 388132 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confession: i forget who lexande is? < 1372217457 779590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alexander Rapp < 1372217460 209628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1372217460 500298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend of mine since long time ago < 1372217462 218296 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372217467 369874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi∼ < 1372217467 688044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexande < 1372217472 556506 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc you wizard < 1372217478 544272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande is the wizard here < 1372217492 386816 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: how do you spell 'lexande' in ge'ez < 1372217493 832129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wizards' noses tingle when you talk about them < 1372217537 971723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1372217550 559398 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is kmc a wizard? < 1372217564 790577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For summoning you, I think. < 1372217574 537679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if lexande has summoning sickness < 1372217586 154508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're not a very good wizard, clearly. < 1372217591 648757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1372217596 381813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's how it works < 1372217597 712713 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's a great wizard, imo. < 1372217602 157499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 would know < 1372217605 916761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: back me up on this. < 1372217638 271712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is a magic: the gathering thing < 1372217652 668086 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the transliterations of my name into cyrillic and arabic were chosen for me by russian and sudanese customs/immigration officials respectively < 1372217667 588185 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you travel a lot? < 1372217686 519101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in b4 http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~arapp/map.html http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~arapp/citiesvisited.html < 1372217708 174082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1h1ru6/assuming_certificate_authorities_are_untrusted/caqc0lc < 1372217720 617507 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thkmc < 1372217723 814632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty travelly. < 1372217835 751588 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there tend to be pretty canonical transliterations of "Alexander" into most languages < 1372217849 364544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, it's super old, i guess. < 1372217852 127239 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to a certain ambitious macedonian < 1372217852 928004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iskandar al-akbar < 1372217853 592767 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that one guy. < 1372217861 868200 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the chinese one though < 1372217871 444882 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because who ever heard of a four-character first name in chinese < 1372217890 40498 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of almost no first names in Chinese, admittedly < 1372217914 174647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they should have gone for a semantic translation, i bet "defender of man" is shorter < 1372218009 217532 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the characters are something like, asia history mountain large < 1372218032 62828 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a pretty good name < 1372218092 838266 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yàlìshāndà < 1372218110 742514 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :亚历山大 < 1372218123 256873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy is p. g. name < 1372218158 821953 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i figure i can get by with the last two, which also makes it a lot easier to write < 1372218275 79740 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'm stuck with the surname 拉普 since i found a people's daily article referring to my father with that surname < 1372218410 266317 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for ge'ez, uh probably ለከሰነደረ or ለከሰነደ < 1372218531 232328 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1372219078 506678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have put my own name into Japanese by translating "Aaron" normally but translating "Black" by the meaning instead. < 1372219123 669740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have been told that probably the more proper meaning to use for translation is "blacksmith", but I just used "black" instead.) < 1372219130 245151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :アーロンlike that? < 1372219140 740300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes, like that. < 1372220687 15745 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372223099 63128 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372223172 715025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone transliterate my name to japanese please < 1372223195 78964 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :シャハフ < 1372223234 652934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or シャチャフ but I don't think that would get pronounced right < 1372223773 425931 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :共同カボチャ < 1372223846 947844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this you http://www.aaronblack.com/ < 1372224950 424633 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372224974 657599 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1372224984 211358 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I awake < 1372225019 748294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Taneb < 1372225020 150294 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Wed Jun 26 06:36:59 < 1372225031 698776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you slept yet < 1372225163 488323 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1372226356 462367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No < 1372226364 351082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few other people with the same name too < 1372226376 537818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if you look in Wikipedia you will see it) < 1372226439 590283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should there be a rule in Pokemon game that if if you use the attack to switch the item with an opponent, and one of them has some mail, that it should display the contents of the mail to the other player before the attack fails? < 1372227966 160650 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372230192 79469 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372230346 250427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the probability of some event is 200%, and then after that probability is calculated you will toss a coin, and if it comes up heads then you will cancel it, then does that make the event certain? < 1372230374 283195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a probability of 200%? < 1372230407 75440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twice as much as a probability of 100%, of course. < 1372230428 184145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1372230496 425772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it means! < 1372230523 58975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1372230540 350459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are new and strange probability axioms, zzo. < 1372230592 229973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are new? I thought they are the same as the other one except that I wrote "200%" and so on. < 1372230702 63751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have events with p > 1 under kolmogorov axioms. < 1372230723 927911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I didn't explain very well. This might be better: There is a device that has a 200% chance of functioning if it is activated. You will toss a fair coin, and if it comes up tails you will activate the device and if it is heads then you won't activate it. From these premises, is it certain that the device will function? < 1372230753 831213 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, i just see "200%" and stop reading, what does that mean. < 1372230840 486204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain what a probability of something means in general rather than in specific? < 1372230993 154095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, the probability axioms go like this. < 1372231035 459167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you have a set called the "sample space", which is stuff that can happen. you define a sigma-algebra on that, the "events", subsets of the sample space. and you have a probability measure : event -> [0,1] < 1372231116 104835 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first axiom is that the probability measure is always positive (implied by my type signature but w/e). the second is that P(the whole sample space) = 1. the third is that P(countable union of events) = sum P(each event in the union) < 1372231169 866681 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this implies for instance that A subset B -> P(A) <= P(B), and along with the second axiom this makes "200% probability" incoherent. < 1372231171 789754 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disjoint union right < 1372231175 669703 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if you mean something else, you should explain that. < 1372231179 750091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disjoint union, yeah. < 1372231206 354558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see how, but what you omit the first axiom and type signature? < 1372231253 681435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I think the first axiom is wrong even in ordinary probabilities because it could be zero which doesn't count as a positive number. < 1372231300 53555 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "nonnegative", yes < 1372231324 263109 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh < 1372231331 947111 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372231334 853668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should write that, if that is what you mean! < 1372231341 484346 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't write it!! bike did!! < 1372231353 339111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean you personally. < 1372231522 78222 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372232077 995980 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372232434 967646 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372232695 947924 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372234122 347661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1372235131 66283 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372235136 651089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :status: eating cheetos out of a bowl using chopsticks < 1372235264 468512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you do that so you don't get dirty? < 1372235300 942641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372235470 158213 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372237412 408341 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1372240261 85964 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372240336 124004 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372240842 860327 :nooodl!~nooodl@6.97-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1372241071 798217 :nooodl!~nooodl@6.97-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372241143 982590 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372241628 987547 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1372244378 826815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372245977 223644 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372247861 187077 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372248296 557502 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372248488 4507 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372248866 343722 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1372252730 469348 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372253303 467477 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372253539 105223 :tswett_!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372253583 195700 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372254858 189988 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372255696 325744 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372257175 13951 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372257456 609582 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372257663 21687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1372257943 352601 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-200-107.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372258120 99382 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-153-154.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372258352 42351 :tswett_!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1372260946 433054 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you just won, congrats < 1372262159 905281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372262168 26146 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372262319 237603 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372262490 25764 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372262767 889552 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-200-107.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372262991 938595 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372264386 761492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1372265190 273876 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: when are you getting married? :P < 1372266139 240748 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.243.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372266917 545407 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372267269 648369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1372267823 509795 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i did the axiom thing. that was dumb and sucked. fyi. < 1372267886 333614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1372268003 426251 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :texpocalypse < 1372268030 723258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about the axiom CAS, or... < 1372268075 707367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just responded to zzo with quotation instead of asking him what the heck he meatn < 1372268099 84323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing. < 1372268130 859867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Thing < 1372268232 996666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't necessarily imply that the individual events are not more than one if you are using divergent series, though, I think. < 1372268265 616005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you do it so that some collections cannot be separated from others) < 1372268376 124063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you make up the probability of a random number 0 to 1, the total probability will still be 1 even though all of the individual number being exactly is 0, so it still doesn't work. < 1372269441 923366 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372269447 282808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each of the linear spaces l_2, c_0, c, m, and R^\infty (in that order) is a proper subspace of the next one" well i think i have a new record for shitty math identifiers < 1372269832 532851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make up a Famicom cartridge with expansion audio, I think that other than the standard chips included in NROM cartridges, only a AY-3-8910 is added; it will work if you connect it to the PPU address bus. You can even get bank switching if you do this, without needing any other logic for bank switching. < 1372269899 859364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, you will not be able to change the music or the bank during rendering.) < 1372271652 972997 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372271671 192527 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372271682 235993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372271688 101369 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott :-) < 1372271998 206734 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers writing a worm to seek out lost files... Stuff that's disappeared from the net, but must be on someone's computer somewhere. < 1372272077 816136 :surma!uid6361@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxxqnqdixcpypcru QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372272627 287749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a report about what files you are looking for, that could also help a bit. < 1372272941 331456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big US Supreme Court rulings today in favor of gay marriage < 1372273030 827954 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372273557 182825 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372273644 584274 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the texas abortion bill died, woo. < 1372273661 707319 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here use an FTP search engine? Which one? < 1372273696 125324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, after a brief attempt to save it by brazen lying in front of hundreds of thousands of people < 1372273733 996029 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: What exactly are you looking for < 1372273744 517468 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372273766 147438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have procedures, kmc. making someone stand and talk for 13 hours and then stopping time is perfectly reasonable < 1372273845 78957 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: some old Core War stuff which was mentioned on Usenet about 20 years ago! < 1372273864 932591 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez. good luck with that. < 1372273901 67149 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: have you checked the usenet archives? < 1372273921 492775 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have the message, just not the files < 1372273953 510757 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I've just got the messages, which contain an ftp link (now broken). < 1372273964 310477 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw new band name: Intrinsically Rhythmogenic Modules < 1372273984 574098 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, is there a way to download an entire Usenet group? All messages dating back 20+ years? :-) < 1372274000 861359 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1372274008 149805 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they all on google? < 1372274013 750431 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some of them < 1372274067 737775 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: what's the FTP link? < 1372274075 517671 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on Google. But I want them here :-) < 1372274093 957583 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, write a script to download stuff from google < 1372274163 943729 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-54-43.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372274194 134928 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: so, what's the link? < 1372274224 254469 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: one is ftp:soda.berkeley.edu/pub/corewar/ incoming/optimapc.exe < 1372274374 882544 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/19980110070358/http://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/ < 1372274382 197479 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :might get you somewhere < 1372274395 308204 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need to pick a later date though < 1372274412 177213 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure what time this is from) < 1372274447 832976 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, doesn't seem to be saved anyway :( < 1372274500 649120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pnas.org/content/110/26/10465.full lol. < 1372274535 14359 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: what about contacting them? < 1372274544 526297 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PART :#esoteric < 1372274553 102034 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372274603 835144 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried contacting first :-) No luck. I didn't realise wayback archived ftp. < 1372274612 366157 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't < 1372274624 426241 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the web archive of their own ftp :) < 1372274664 641990 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1372274721 323942 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1372276616 264550 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372277118 251679 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372277511 588078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1372277531 181837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1372277544 951900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1372277633 589308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* turns out screen ruins the use of the pgup/pgdn keys on my numpad (turning them into 9 and 3 keys regardless of my laptop's general setting), which are of course the most sanely placed versions on this keyboard. < 1372277700 536116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's screen on debian started remotely via putty on windows, fwiw) < 1372277728 498788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try tmux hth < 1372277877 172321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that's even installed < 1372277928 320014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try dtachhth < 1372277931 351035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dtach/dtach / < 1372277942 664562 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtach is nice < 1372277963 317078 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I stopped at "ruins" since that statement is always true < 1372277989 61796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtach is _not_ installed yet though... < 1372278005 626474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OKAY < 1372278045 459491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtach is great because it doesn't do anything. < 1372278050 162623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know whatever terminal problem I have it's not dtach's fault. < 1372278060 156247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, that sounds like a putty misconfiguration < 1372278064 65013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :check you don't have "nethack mode" or whatever on < 1372278071 806788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'm misremembering < 1372278084 366201 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I don't think screen even knows about your numpads and whatnot < 1372278105 814265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's set at "Normal" also pgdn/pgup works fine if _not_ using screen. < 1372278108 189983 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something wrong with your terminal emulator. < 1372278136 526549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: screen always emulates vt100, afaiu < 1372278169 886853 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't see any difference with pageup/down between screen and not screen < 1372278170 540806 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can change a config setting to make it poorly emulate something else < 1372278172 60445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TERM=xterm outside it... < 1372278178 259441 :calamari!~calamari@173-116-54-43.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1372278182 523524 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Checked via cat|xxd) < 1372278183 394461 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of poorly emulating vt100 < 1372278215 878692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: btw the _other_ pgup/pgdn keys on top of the keyboard which are hard to reach, work fine. < 1372278244 221617 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I tried both actual pagedown and numpad pagedown < 1372278248 137842 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No difference whatsoever on my setup. < 1372278259 891094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: screen's unicode support is broken hth < 1372278262 749270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should use tmux < 1372278284 684680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OKAY (i did use the -U option fwiw) < 1372278293 400076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still broken hth < 1372278308 455724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (For 4-byte sequences, i.e. anything not in the BMP.) < 1372278523 599697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1372278810 995365 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372278846 120885 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372279236 879915 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.243.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372279367 815363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372279560 648771 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear xxxx, I was just wondering if you still have a copy of xxxx.zip which you uploaded 22 years ago? Thanks" <- Worth a try :-) Luckily I found a current email address. < 1372279701 320024 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 NICK :nooodl < 1372280329 952790 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what the first 2 dimensional programming language was? < 1372280353 86397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not befunge? < 1372280371 469130 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall one before befunge < 1372280384 531544 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biota! < 1372280388 839926 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Biota < 1372280391 289185 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. < 1372280570 178477 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, that was the one I was looking for. There were a couple of other before Befunge too. < 1372281208 8897 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbpevddunpqrpfbp QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372281286 97382 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bslrgpdvhaxzyjaj QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372281733 495020 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372281741 159141 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372281795 283129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1372281882 44570 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!! < 1372281893 531485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out there was a putty option too < 1372281905 783207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome bresilsalumbizim < 1372281908 671309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, trying tmux < 1372281909 334028 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​11b14res11ilsalumbizim: Welco12me13 to the03 in10ternational hub for e14sot10eric programm13ing la08ng12uage d03esign a10nd de14ployment! F10or11 more 04informati09on, check out our wiki: http://eso08langs.10org/wiki/Main_Page03. (For the oth14er kind12 of es12oterica, try #e11so06teric on ir12c05.dal.n09et.) < 1372281943 959389 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!! what's up < 1372281959 153681 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything at once < 1372281973 897866 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1372281979 880092 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge < 1372281994 116963 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha ok < 1372282055 130372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly it would also be nice if the wireless were stable enough that putty didn't disconnect all the time. < 1372282067 892095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: more on that thing i linked you a billion years ago: http://storify.com/camp2013/learning-learning-learning "Led a great session on investigation for #ttcCamp13 this morning at this rate the participants will have brought down a government by Friday" < 1372282082 718623 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Get mosh < 1372282109 340886 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has some intelligence for laggy connections + most importantly survives disconnects < 1372282140 795614 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is this???? < 1372282156 884706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: i'm on windows 8 hth < 1372282161 855632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is what < 1372282176 592938 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every thing < 1372282184 703875 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you can get LInux or something free from the internet < 1372282188 846871 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on I'll find a download link < 1372282194 975853 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are fuck < 1372282195 653075 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1372282242 706229 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :am using macintosh sooo fuck linux lol < 1372282291 252499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: shut up hth < 1372282302 40988 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even hth < 1372282325 875991 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh... < 1372282341 650138 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a hth < 1372282349 348153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1372282351 33125 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1372282370 806188 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dafuq < 1372282389 715550 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where u gays coming from? < 1372282397 333525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: i am recently quite convinced that i am sufficiently cursed that changing to linux will only bring me a different but equally obnoxious set of annoyances. < 1372282408 609244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bresilsalumbizim: *guys hth < 1372282425 967646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although yes, there are _some_ gays here too.) < 1372282442 846506 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm...i will love to see the < 1372282468 793333 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am from a computer < 1372282478 953145 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp < 1372282484 221475 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am to a computer. < 1372282502 588498 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how can i help? < 1372282536 868036 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :be computer < 1372282562 928429 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe nop am a parson not a computer < 1372282589 178533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we get many parsons here < 1372282613 258205 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then u have one. < 1372282674 393396 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about parsons but I could probably hook you up with some parsley < 1372282676 111094 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ZFfRqsz.jpg < 1372282740 200213 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1372282764 278180 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what am i going to use it for? u punk ass < 1372282804 823727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could spread it on food hth < 1372282829 638305 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe mix it up with some lard < 1372282832 21515 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a bowl < 1372282843 648188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do that? < 1372282848 540816 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont need that shiit < 1372282863 981212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bresilsalumbizim: hey eat up your greens < 1372282895 369312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should op kmc so he can ban this guy. < 1372282919 92091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should op elliott so he can op kmc so he can ban this guy < 1372282924 431868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also acceptable < 1372282926 30184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, already? < 1372282937 683320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sounds like a plan. < 1372282949 334621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well have you noticed he's joined the channel and insulted people a lot and not said anything on-topic, hth. < 1372282978 221462 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why dont u come and eat it with me? < 1372282981 524329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i guess technically you are correct, as always < 1372282988 713142 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just boring here < 1372282988 761798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except with some maths) < 1372283056 676307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bresilsalumbizim: are you really from burundi < 1372283067 838591 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i am < 1372283071 161256 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1372283082 498008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many from africa here < 1372283094 533768 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh!! ok that's why < 1372283098 451859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a south african don't we < 1372283107 766112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiato < 1372283114 535109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but he's not here very often < 1372283173 439671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he passed by a couple weeks ago < 1372283183 637748 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where you guys from? < 1372283190 644923 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham < 1372283198 295511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly europe and north america < 1372283216 205835 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!! that's cool.. < 1372283247 976744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you mean mostly Helsinki and Hexham < 1372283252 322346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1372283262 961364 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Hexham's in Europe < 1372283271 264762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I presume Helsinki is in North America < 1372283282 974051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I have bad news about Finland for you, Taneb. < 1372283294 958823 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dint know that ths app wound work so i just tryed < 1372283317 232504 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did helsinki.fi just move it's user pages? < 1372283424 110728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is pretty well known that finland is close to russia, and far from japan < 1372283498 916664 :bresilsalumbizim!~bresilsal@ws5.onatel.bi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372284033 304913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see no need for bans hth < 1372284068 549677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now about that semen_dickman guy in the logs... < 1372284159 35751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nanana i cant hear you < 1372284178 810358 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"US got NSA leaker Edward Snowden's middle name wrong, says Hong Kong" < 1372284198 397489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well finland is close to russia and russia is close to japan, so finland can't be that far off < 1372284204 167538 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372284226 268317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: russia is not transitive hth < 1372284266 488758 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372284281 187444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about the trans-siberian railway < 1372284284 856755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like transit to me < 1372284311 319237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure that doesn't go to japan though < 1372284334 148958 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1372284338 452314 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hilights on transit and trains < 1372284355 710996 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you really are a kmcfrien < 1372284357 100510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trainspotter! < 1372284382 486441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-141-25.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372284495 175043 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372284530 732781 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Goodness* this DOMA strikedown makes things interesting/confusing. < 1372284557 665648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1372284576 716116 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now possible to be married on a federal level but not a state level. < 1372284595 952408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it got turned upside down? :P < 1372284599 96562 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1372284611 536748 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay marriage: the exact opposite of pot < 1372284628 455856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a slogan < 1372284635 929842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is marriage done on a federal level? I thought it was handled by states, and the law was about whether or not the federal government acknowledged it < 1372284640 416178 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda funny they didn't touch section 2 even though it looks like the opposite of article iv of the constitution < 1372284641 313441 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's the whole full faith and credit thing (?) < 1372284663 135632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that. < 1372284676 165654 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: In this case, the fed. would acknowledge marriage done in any state. < 1372284687 844735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your state of residence might *not* acknowledge it. < 1372284701 791446 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, from a federal POV you are married. < 1372284706 31657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not from your state's. < 1372284708 861070 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, if someone got married in california, some other state is legally allowed to not acknowledge it? < 1372284716 163805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By DOMA, yes. < 1372284717 412045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what section 2 does. < 1372284731 402510 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that... a violation of article 4 section 1? @_@ < 1372284737 626703 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With... some oddities, like Oklahoma being forced to put an adoptive gay couple on a kid's birth certificate < 1372284745 308284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because yeah it's pretty blatantly unconstitutional < 1372284760 863831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the "marriage tourism" thing then, where people visit another state to get married, how does that work < 1372284801 267085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: People feel as though going through the "marriage" thing officializes the relationship. < 1372284838 517644 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably will once the stupid thing dies, but. < 1372284867 2145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it says in some places that they just outright struck the law, but some people are saying only section 3...? < 1372284872 611195 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think they could sue for back taxes. :P < 1372284877 13041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It was only section 3. < 1372284891 972597 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Section 2 was simply not affected by this case. < 1372284898 366871 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was literally not at issue ever) < 1372284923 592944 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably get contested soon, what with being a *blatant* violation of full faith and credit. < 1372284937 131485 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :supremecourt.gov doesn't work at all w/o www :( < 1372284958 848854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway US v. windsor, right? http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_g2bh.pdf < 1372284968 593532 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1372284978 866477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia said "Section 2, which allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in states where such marriage is legal, was not at issue in the Windsor case but the entire Defense of Marriage Act was deemed unconstitutional" but I don't know < 1372284982 381363 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wants to see it themselves (i already read a supreme court decision this month, that's enough) < 1372284991 267074 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i saw that too but it looked like a shitty edit. < 1372284994 801238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :< < 1372284994 864784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you know. wikipedia. < 1372285014 237768 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the decision's there if you want to find out for real. < 1372285101 589397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's vague. < 1372285112 744336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray. < 1372285117 777361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Section 2 was not at issue". But it also says "DOMA is unconstitutional." < 1372285223 551348 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should read it just to get infuriated at whatever scalia's dissent is (no) < 1372285395 80745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/scalia-thomas-roberts-alito-suddenly-realize-they,32972/ < 1372285400 486545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can someone join #Sup3rSa1y4n, i hear from #freenode that it auto-klines you. < 1372285413 559459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: I disclaim responsibility < 1372285494 242731 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/BryanJFischer/status/350011942242500609 considering following this guy. < 1372285496 604236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe not < 1372285548 513983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural marriage < 1372285568 379625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no chemicals! all natural < 1372285572 744394 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural marriage more like anti-nazi 5ever marriage < 1372285703 776016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops out of free onions < 1372285789 239821 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemicals are so horrible. I found out they have added DHMO to our food. < 1372285904 214183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: doesn't the full faith and credit clause say that Congress can regulate how full faith and credit is to be applied? < 1372285935 660732 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372285950 578040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the legislature shall, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings, shall be proved, and the effect which judgments, obtained in one state, shall have in another." < 1372285965 646371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er that's a draft version, the final is "And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof." < 1372285968 183513 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No. < 1372286005 265182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1372286056 182464 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PART :#esoteric < 1372286062 242915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That states that Congress may regulate how the acts of other states shall be demonstrated. < 1372286078 125562 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372286082 455436 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not give Congress any way to *prevent* the application. < 1372286137 841376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, Congress may regulate marriage certificates. The forms themselves. < 1372286162 443472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been ruled in a previous court case? < 1372286225 609771 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was the basis on which interracial marriage was legalized. < 1372286259 358568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372286290 497015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? was there a DOMA analogue? < 1372286330 966177 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was never an anti-interracial-marriage DOMA < 1372286349 919439 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think interracial marriages were always recognized where they were legal < 1372286355 646770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I just realised who TeruFSX is. < 1372286469 46911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372286544 764588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. The reason HK refused to extradite Snowden was because they got his middle name wrong (and one other thing, but) < 1372286551 755966 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they = the US, I mean < 1372286562 713771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nomic < 1372286570 909032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372286575 606553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: best excuse < 1372286578 794394 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: That’s hilarious. < 1372286595 844057 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments are good right here < 1372286615 285785 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in the US government was intentionally sabotagin the extradition attempt. The empire is imploding from the inside. < 1372286616 724341 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the sass in their refusal was the best thing < 1372286621 895224 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inorite < 1372287363 544890 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:c89d:fd58:e43c:a85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372288511 490953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/tmp/1007.png < 1372288747 346096 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:c89d:fd58:e43c:a85 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1372289253 746431 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372289514 355730 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1372290046 578665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2GB RAM. Running Eclipse and at least one other Java-based application from cygwin < 1372290057 988052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-C-ing TOOK A MINUTE OR TWO < 1372290065 504165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-C SHOULD NEVER TAKE THAT LONG < 1372290449 963697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahah < 1372290632 417507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I ever survive on 512 MB when I was younge? < 1372290634 381873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :younger? < 1372290655 14625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software was simpler < 1372290671 169653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And designed with 512 MiB in mind. < 1372290831 968857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of interesting to see how like, game memory usages seem to have stopped growing at around ~2GB for the past few years < 1372290839 73066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/register-number-one,32928/ < 1372290843 332889 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if they went beyond that they'd have to drop 32-bit support, I think < 1372290845 532967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A neutral character in a Kelly comic??? < 1372290857 531058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when RAM is not as scarce, you can develop programs faster, make them less buggy and more secure, and more people can help < 1372290876 571474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a reasonable tradeoff for buying $15 more of RAM imo < 1372290905 92527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people cry "software bloat" but that's usually an arrogant, lazy non-explanation < 1372290977 185844 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing with games a lot of it is taking advantage of the extra memory to store textures or the like, and keeping track of a really big world state < 1372290991 595362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipse and Tomcat servlets are not games < 1372291030 882940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the only winning move is not to play < 1372291045 654766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because a lot of games are cross-platform and the Xbox 360 specs have been the same since 2005 < 1372291050 903657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has 512 MB of RAM (!) < 1372291065 778216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've played many games that are console ports recently < 1372291070 543953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried using NetBeans. At least got an IDE that lagged only at sensible times < 1372291074 929513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. like. I have but I've played them on consoles <.< < 1372291085 219856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-C was still hell though < 1372291109 635301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the real reason we need lots of RAM though is so I can run ECM factoring on tswett's number) < 1372291118 15223 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sixty seconds to end a program being hell is a bit overblown, although maybe i'm saying that because i'm looking at a picture of a kid with his skull ripped up. < 1372291161 307842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nine circles, Bike. < 1372291162 453192 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PS3 has similar amounts of RAM. < 1372291166 984696 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wii has... less. < 1372291180 954121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh what < 1372291191 402515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sixty seconds to end a program is just the first circle. < 1372291196 940302 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-229-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1372291198 792365 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: here, I'll make it easier for you.