< 1372809606 712548 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that we have already dealt with the fact that there is a king of france... which we haven't < 1372809741 145529 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like having the equation 1/x = 3 is satisfied when x = 0 : it doesn't make sense < 1372809819 318557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1372809832 422203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of activity on the Deadfish page today... < 1372809882 107917 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "1/1 = 3" is obviously false, and "1/(1/3) = 3" is obviously true, but "1/0 = 3" simply doesn't make sense < 1372810381 792587 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So, what *was* the channel with all the #haskell metadiscussion? < 1372810388 480988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than this now < 1372810400 345218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372810433 279872 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah. < 1372810458 993107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it was johnw /msging byorgey. < 1372810473 945219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those things he does. /msging people, I mean. < 1372810495 178221 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1372810512 378036 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should be careful, some people are allergic to MSG. < 1372810991 297752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 17:22 < strcat> Option<~T>, Option<&T> etc. turn to a nullable ptr < 1372811006 43590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard about that. < 1372811012 32705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats weird < 1372811021 284548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Option special-cased < 1372811026 479939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for any enum, doesn't it? < 1372811043 47224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were asking if Option< Option > was broken, but I don't think it is, because Option is not a non-nullable pointer type < 1372811077 295614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo they should turn enum Foo { Red, Blue, SomethingElse } into {0x0, 0x1, validPtr} < 1372811097 869532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, makes sense, I suppose. < 1372811116 109147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you convinced them to make their syntax less wack yet < 1372811145 417486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wack about their syntax < 1372811164 926149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1372811170 160458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah a runtime check of /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr < 1372811219 531563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not special cased by name, but by structure < 1372811240 194837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can just require the bottom page not to be used in rust programs < 1372811243 968493 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372811249 785302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so types isomorphic to Option also get it < 1372811250 646998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true < 1372811252 992818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can go up to 4096-enums "good enough 4 me" < 1372811274 351715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo "require", you can't enforce it when a C program calls a Rust library < 1372811282 156833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even the other way round really < 1372811339 862351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, aren't pointer values in the bottom page often considered invalid in C programs for some other reason? < 1372811413 28970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many C programs are designed this way < 1372811430 792934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the spec says, other than that the numeric literal "0" gives you a NULL pointer whose use in various ways is UB < 1372811440 601467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not even be represented the same way as an integer zero, of course < 1372811479 105595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if( !x ) has to be the same as if( x == NULL ), right? < 1372811504 763769 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372811506 798940 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372811518 805098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1372811531 740676 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define NULL 1 < 1372811543 12793 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372811551 207966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought NULL had to compare as false... < 1372811562 328563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, NULL isn't necessarily 0, but it has to compare equal to 0 < 1372811578 15219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My "No?" was addressed to katla, not Fiora.) < 1372811581 435232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not zero but another number of the same name" < 1372811589 750593 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372811600 139857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1372811613 48863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was responding to katla < 1372811621 300262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too. < 1372811623 969771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly, everyone was responding to Bike < 1372811638 605956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're getting a serious Bike infestation in here < 1372811646 543843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're doubling every few minutes < 1372811649 781397 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372811653 351789 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372811655 288521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's better < 1372811658 629649 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the one true Bike shall stand < 1372811672 721187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two true Bikes < 1372811676 106536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one true Unike < 1372811677 909226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372812035 179563 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1372812077 105145 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372812125 392841 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode seems to have “DIRECT CURRENT SYMBOL FORM TWO” and no other forms. Theother one is called “AC CURRENT” instead of, say, “ALTERNATING CURRENT SYMBOL”. < 1372812181 303031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn27/ < 1372812261 345300 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you, unicode < 1372812262 979425 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't include it oh no < 1372812263 71801 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blunicode < 1372812285 982515 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how many of them are bad transliterations of non-IE languages < 1372812320 624065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372812376 959587 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, is anyone here as annoyed as me (level: "mildly chuffed") that news organizations can never agree on how to transliterate Arabic or Persian or anything < 1372812396 799056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's hardly unique to news organizations. < 1372812411 59038 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing Morsy and thinking Morrissey < 1372812431 14851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it as bad as irish "man just throw some i's in there, also some h's while we're at it" orthography < 1372812439 836408 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1372812447 4655 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they at least usually agree on how many i's to throw in < 1372812476 32019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc knows what happens when you throw too many 'i's into one letter < 1372812477 867547 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no (i guess i'm talking about, like, broader goidelic names here) < 1372812569 553862 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i know shit all about irish < 1372812607 273089 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the fact that news organizations do it is important because: they're the ones i'm immediately annoyed at < 1372812631 288644 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wp there was also a spelling reform which included such highlights as beirbhiughadh => beiriú < 1372812670 447303 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like i can only assume the bh, gh and dh were just there to fuck with people < 1372812692 667911 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1372812731 283487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the worst individual transliteration cases i can think of though are the name of the mongolian conqueror, and the name of the former president of Libya < 1372812773 203494 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you mean dschinghis khan? < 1372812783 370594 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ;_; < 1372812812 733350 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: bear hug edh, beiried, bear birth, beer buddha < 1372812847 255091 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372812858 638463 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372812874 840863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :genghis khan? < 1372812892 452639 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you want to use the old fashioned transliteration < 1372812895 436999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5365283/regular-expression-to-search-for-gadaffi < 1372812897 610659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually seen dschinghis in print < 1372812917 909355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's good < 1372812941 575094 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My history textbook called him Chinggis. Maybe we could just go with Temujin < 1372812971 7031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dschinghis" seems very weird too < 1372812983 409770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: our professor actually introduced regular expressions to us with that one < 1372812986 193587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally not kidding XD < 1372812989 460645 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genghis Khan's name is spelled in variety of ways in different languages such as English Chinghiz, Chinghis, and Chingiz, Chinese: 成吉思汗; pinyin: Chéngjísī Hán, Turkic: Cengiz Han, Çingiz Xan, Çingiz Han, Chingizxon, Çıñğız Xan, Chengez Khan, Chinggis Khan, Chinggis Xaan, Chingis Khan, Jenghis Khan, Chinggis Qan, Djingis Kahn, Russian: Чингисхан (Čingiskhan) or Чингиз-хан (Čingiz-khan), etc < 1372813004 67443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: haha < 1372813020 796935 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was something similar < 1372813039 704986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't genghis khan's wikipedia article open with like ten names < 1372813044 174356 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschingis_Khan it seems to be pretty standard in German < 1372813053 415030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they removed them < 1372813061 945213 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Djengis in Afrikaans, oh man, i need to look through these now. < 1372813071 100119 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it feels like it's extra consonants? < 1372813073 680128 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's german < 1372813075 119082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1372813079 649243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschinghis_Khan < 1372813091 340334 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813105 487891 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xenxis, in... I don't know this language < 1372813125 695705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :language x < 1372813125 916407 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asturian. < 1372813138 136159 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the billion languages of spain, right < 1372813143 29555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspelt austrian < 1372813145 939167 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... was wrong with genghis < 1372813159 128498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't kill enough people < 1372813159 285676 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really descriptive of the pronunciation, I think < 1372813163 587992 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a "ch" sound at the start < 1372813168 98202 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372813176 915024 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i ean it's a transliteration from what, the 18th century? it's gotta be shit < 1372813179 918906 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean* < 1372813182 471108 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people like to pronounce "ge" like in... "get"? < 1372813190 439942 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more like "tsingis" < 1372813206 746394 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tempted to say 'that's not really worth the bother' here < 1372813381 87586 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1372813387 258360 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813391 388271 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813391 903832 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813423 970775 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813428 98229 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813428 613887 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813473 6172 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813477 116671 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813477 633790 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813515 714668 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813519 858853 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813520 376291 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813559 886164 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813564 18780 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813564 535200 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813601 846221 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813605 974778 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813606 492694 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813643 851884 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813647 973321 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813648 489105 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813705 384525 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813709 507665 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813710 24040 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813739 225981 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813743 349767 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813743 865960 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813783 222327 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813787 347140 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813787 863915 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813827 247129 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813831 387320 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813831 897742 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813885 383826 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813886 106164 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813887 843516 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is this > 1372813889 512392 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813890 28056 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813891 475147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil < 1372813892 574206 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this machine generated < 1372813897 56650 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's art < 1372813899 455447 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beauty < 1372813903 170709 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds welsh < 1372813920 500540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like zalgokuil < 1372813927 985018 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a barcelonian failing to pronounce Dungan < 1372813938 667846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bbl < 1372813940 802216 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps give me something else to translate into ithkuil < 1372813945 584478 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually a nice adventure < 1372813947 248169 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lord's prayer? < 1372813951 396382 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what no thatd take a month < 1372813966 844836 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first bit of lord's prayer in non-archaic english < 1372813967 48480 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a 3-4 word sentence kinda thing, something cute < 1372813989 496309 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schleicher's fable? < 1372813992 355318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: how about "enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" < 1372814003 546418 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps verbs have cases in ithkuil but the online guide doesn't tell you how to use them... < 1372814007 240150 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's good < 1372814016 992654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pronounce it and upload it though!! < 1372814020 587921 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1372814030 115361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ithkuil pronunciation is probably "subpar" < 1372814042 15428 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Efter foondin the Mongol Empire an being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he startit the Mongol invasions that woud ultimately result in the conquest o maist o Eurasie. < 1372814056 729190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots is great < 1372814071 920655 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ulster scots wikipedia yet < 1372814082 572871 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony o these invasions also resultit in lairge-scale slaughter o the local populations an ar no viewed positively in these parts o the warld today. < 1372814086 153458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you could literally run a simple filter over the english wikipedia to get the same results < 1372814089 168504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point < 1372814098 78930 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cultural etc. < 1372814100 5401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no viewed positively" <3 < 1372814116 835631 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if they want to have their own language more power to 'em < 1372814121 219935 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think it's funny to see < 1372814121 938544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer < 1372814133 456791 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ulster scots is even more cultural etc., in that it's basically the result of a game of linguistic one-upmanship with irish) < 1372814134 669125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "dickery" a scots word < 1372814163 620988 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is ulster scots what they pretend to speak in northern ireland, or < 1372814191 526439 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the dialect of english spoken in ulster < 1372814198 285818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#OUTRAGED oh my god < 1372814204 229190 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ithkuil equivalent to a subordinate clause is called a "case-frame." < 1372814205 568428 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that being in ulster there's a bunch of sectarian politics involved < 1372814207 331016 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait < 1372814208 131446 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're what you call people americans call "Scots-Irish" < 1372814211 986275 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your name is way better than ours < 1372814230 434565 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what the hecks < 1372814234 906972 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A'v ne'er unnerstuid ootrage aboot Scots projects like this Wikipedia. < 1372814240 997227 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what "jaxie" is < 1372814243 87232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ootrage < 1372814254 232877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the real Scots language or are you just putting a sort of traditional highlander accent on and spelling words as they sound...I mean is there a dictionary or something which can prove these words are real? < 1372814266 288687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really good < 1372814285 192906 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814290 214414 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814290 418914 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COTTISH PEOPLE SPEAK ENGLISH, NOT THIS SHIT PICTURED ON THIS SITE!!! wrote some random guy from Texas < 1372814297 280383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funetik aksents! < 1372814330 320876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the quoting of the "UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS" < 1372814337 776625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots wikipedia: highly serious < 1372814338 277000 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a wikipedia in west-vlaams: http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voorblad < 1372814339 455651 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned, that's why i gave up on stross < 1372814354 491417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he talks funny? < 1372814363 583007 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know if he talks funny) < 1372814378 333011 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he writes his characters with these egregious scottish accents < 1372814381 341021 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendered phonetically < 1372814390 97490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IS JUST FRACTURED ENGLISH, WITH WORDS BEING WRITTEN AS THEY SOUND TO SOME PEOPLE, AND IS NOT AN ACTUAL LANGUAGE!" < 1372814390 961310 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Ulster Scots, the local dialect of Lowland Scots, which has, since the 1980s, also been called 'Ullans', a portmanteau neologism popularised by the physician, amateur historian and politician Dr Ian Adamson,[15] merging Ulster and Lallans - the Scots for Lowlands[16] - but also an acronym for "Ulster-Scots language in literature and native speech"» awesome < 1372814398 661522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortuantely the scots have yet to realise this < 1372814405 319494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, we get it. Feel free to read other parts of the internet that are solely in English. There's quite a lot of it. Come back when you've finished that off, and we'll talk." < 1372814425 305058 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's like writing a book set in kent and having everyone talking about how they're getting in the caah < 1372814431 976184 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also in limburgs... http://li.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veurblaad < 1372814441 258451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there multiple dutch dialect wikipedias < 1372814455 73686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's wikipedias for the two norwegian languages too < 1372814460 55684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/languages/dialects/ < 1372814474 280201 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha drawing a distinction < 1372814495 80272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1372814498 392906 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't bokmal and the other thing, like, written < 1372814498 605347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mock me Bike < 1372814510 715665 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo written language is too complicated *series of hand gestures < 1372814511 990258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the nynorsk one is depressing < 1372814528 534116 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small wikipedias are the most depressing thing in the world < 1372814531 150753 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«As a result of the competing influences of English and Scots, varieties of Ulster Scots can be described as 'more English' or 'more Scots'» < 1372814534 296498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying really hard but there's just not enough care on the planet for a less-popular dialect of norwegian < 1372814555 588175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: last i checked, the nynorsk wikipedia even has some articles with subpages in the even more radical høgnorsk form < 1372814563 128067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hognorsk < 1372814574 652409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :means "high norwegian" of course :P < 1372814589 446708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Høgnorsk seems like it's less radical? < 1372814599 399477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about like... what do saami people speak < 1372814602 814763 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1372814615 56614 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814628 841918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm i meant radical in the sense of even further from what most people use < 1372814633 726935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1372814642 233303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that is also extremely conservative < 1372814678 205789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1372814681 544062 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1372814712 217408 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372814718 186412 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, have you reached the part where it was mostly made up to get a unionist alternative to irish's protected language status (n.b. my sources in this matter are not exactly dispassionate) < 1372814751 551102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also isn't bokmal and the other thing, like, written <-- of course. the current fashion for _speech_ is to use nearly unnormalized dialect. < 1372814755 245955 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's in the intro. < 1372814771 614094 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's recognized by the UK under the EU's language thing though, huh < 1372814780 285712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when i come to trondheim you have to explain norway to me. < 1372814783 318860 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote finnish for cutest language < 1372814798 697999 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`what about basque' < 1372814800 37766 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: what: not found < 1372814804 963987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are three official saami languages in norway, although northern saami is far larger than the others. < 1372814811 271362 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh that's a lot < 1372814827 122820 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a word for spelling scots like that, kinda. eye dialect < 1372814837 463513 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:This_is_the_cover_of_a_book_containing_the_Gospel_of_Luke_in_both_Ulster_Scots_and_the_1611_AV.png good filename < 1372814846 313031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you mean, you think _i_ understand norway? < 1372814856 225252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I would hope so. < 1372814870 591516 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite wikipedia filename is < 1372814870 857251 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372814871 61954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372814872 266356 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thing.png < 1372814880 116661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: great filename < 1372814881 527934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said that < 1372814888 742223 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its exactly a thing < 1372814897 181887 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is definitely a thing. < 1372814913 970344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814968 848909 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thành Cát Tư Hãn < 1372814970 978196 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372815036 143641 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tu han < 1372815105 658524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: you have your own company now? < 1372815128 278899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's "jix code" < 1372815175 372158 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Contemporary Mongolians clearly prefer Chinggis over Genghis, not only because it reflects Mongolian pronounciation more closely, but also because it matches the Cyrillic version, Чингис хаан" < 1372815175 735906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: your "index!" needs expansion hth < 1372815191 26157 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The article is inconsitent in Temüjin vs Temujin. Which is correct?" *flips table* < 1372815235 830429 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there's a frickin mongolian imperial defender in this talk page < 1372815261 622726 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Serge and i'm citizen of Ukraine (Ukrainian Rus), one of the states in the modern global cossack society that is society of cossacks, free people of the Earth. < 1372815272 488695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as ukrainian bus < 1372815308 216832 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this person is saying kazakhs are cossacks < 1372815378 464005 :comex`!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1372815486 578599 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«For example, Peter Holquist, a specialist of the conflict in the Don region, concludes that decossackization did not constitute an "open-ended program of genocide" but rather was a "ruthless" and "radical attempt to eliminate undesirable social groups," which showed Soviet regime's "dedication to social engineering."» somebody help me understand this < 1372815587 453731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was "not genocide" but "a ruthless attempt to eliminate undesirable social groups" < 1372815604 99491 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just < 1372815609 60671 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just say the same thing twice man < 1372815617 97198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not murder, it's just intentionally killing someone" < 1372815739 880520 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372815939 613896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as we have clarified that. < 1372816941 847969 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372817426 595659 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$u 𝕍 < 1372817427 750837 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+D835 (No name found) < 1372817428 480955 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+DD4D (No name found) < 1372817430 441645 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372817486 123478 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. Surrogates. < 1372817529 101854 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$u 𝕍 < 1372817529 986181 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+D835 (No name found) < 1372817530 839453 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+DD4D (No name found) < 1372817541 959611 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| Something's getting misinterpreted somewhere. < 1372817595 141842 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372817671 407314 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hey, join the Desert Warriors Clan! < 1372817972 757353 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372818053 709237 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372818194 822320 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what a condition code is < 1372818256 994130 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A pretodianship is a position that can be held by a party member". Are all Agoran offices pretodianships? If not, can pretodianships also be held by nonmembers? < 1372818273 567774 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of clear what was intended, but not clear that your wording expresses it unambiguously < 1372818392 510193 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's fair. < 1372818678 290181 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372818759 732374 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: think that should be fixed, along with the editing error in Article 2, before the party is created? < 1372818893 670801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't looked at the rest that closely < 1372819026 311691 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372819422 340750 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372820244 209481 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372820263 662592 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1372821765 755708 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372822111 238645 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372822636 266554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1372822637 688799 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1372823179 616799 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372823764 16004 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372823862 49144 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372824390 730883 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372826117 705521 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372827084 545620 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372827109 768043 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HY < 1372827117 553076 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME ALTRION < 1372827119 533493 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTRION: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1372827148 868913 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1372827158 340031 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M FROM INDONESIA < 1372827166 602633 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S COOL < 1372827195 315690 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1372827203 103531 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN INDONESIA IS HOT < 1372827209 585059 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1372827214 636734 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S HOT HERE TOO BUT PROBABLY NOT AS HOT < 1372827235 703764 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT VERY HOT < 1372827333 972690 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SORRY MY ENGLISH IS NOT GOOD BUT NOT BAD < 1372827355 867702 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :start by turning caps lock off :) < 1372827358 346105 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're quite understandable. Maybe you should use lowercase letters, though. < 1372827387 800081 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372827399 384355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use both uppercase and lowercase letters. < 1372827430 615220 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :liKe tHiS RiGHt? < 1372827490 413455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my english is simultaneously good and bad < 1372827494 564774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some computers don't have lowercase, but this makes it difficult to use the MODE command, and won't access most webpages, gopher, and other internet protocols; however, most modern computers do have lowercase.) < 1372827514 738586 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooowww < 1372827535 359946 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use lowercase latters, okay < 1372827556 670998 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway, what's up < 1372827629 735394 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a forum? < 1372827643 402552 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chatroom, yeah < 1372827688 409776 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this name is esoteric, what is esoteric??? < 1372827715 215918 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the link in the welcome message? < 1372827768 970735 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add my facebook okay : aldri_017@yahoo.co.id < 1372827790 231910 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find this place? < 1372827816 865294 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hth < 1372827824 675206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Huh? < 1372827828 927790 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in channels list < 1372827836 833639 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hth, hth < 1372827847 273101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I don't get it. < 1372827862 545498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said hth, you said what, so I said hth, hth < 1372827870 494269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1372827879 475735 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372827936 579330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1372827952 96762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTRION: I don't use the Facebook, OK? < 1372827965 233945 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1372828024 588532 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which your country? < 1372828033 653478 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm from indonesia < 1372828038 347743 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you ? < 1372828104 441407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1372828145 281037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in Canada. < 1372828151 287854 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1372828159 679061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of people in here are from other countries. < 1372828453 730027 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372828631 91871 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric is an adjective, hth < 1372829079 892872 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1372829095 982063 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372829696 897208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1372829942 902386 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs shachaf  < 1372830008 470481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get it, but whatever. < 1372830013 628922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :get what? < 1372830037 518466 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was nothing to get! I was referencing your hth stint for no reason whatsoever and being obnoxious about it < 1372830040 625653 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all there was to it < 1372830051 900864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does hth even have to do with me? < 1372830061 594383 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were using it all over the place for a while < 1372830096 543036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1372830100 891112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION repeats earlier sentiment. < 1372830264 974485 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1372830579 934591 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372830710 611758 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372832153 908013 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372832161 227948 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372832750 499733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Turing sequent calculus I made up can be used for nondeterministic Turing machines too. < 1372832915 347773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it is also possible for there to be no rule (not even halting), in the one I made. < 1372832951 818549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win if it halts, lose if there is no rule, and draw if it doesn't halt. If it is nondeterministic, then the win/lose/draw outcome will not be predetermined. < 1372833038 292274 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372833631 875592 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372834373 501675 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372834511 372599 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372835360 151203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether any mathematicians find this useful, I don't know. < 1372835463 943439 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372835530 946072 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372835531 150884 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372835746 716623 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p578E3C7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372836922 697830 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372837103 891320 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372838253 748068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372838656 511295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gotta go < 1372839109 756517 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372839271 450054 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't have my own company < 1372839291 536236 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jixco.de => jix' code < 1372839307 387761 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I happen to be in germany so .de is the right tld anyway) < 1372839489 194870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good, then. < 1372840108 431549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jix, Inc." would have a nice ring to it. < 1372840418 619278 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p578E3C7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1372841188 451998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i ate at http://www.sunflowersf.com/ which has the best website < 1372841331 650974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day I ate at http://www.kabuki.fi/kabuki.html whose website is also pretty good; last news is from 2009, and there's a prominent red-border notice about it being closed "Sunday, August 5th", except this year's August 5th is a Monday, suggesting that it's probably about last year. < 1372841343 658054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more "designy", however. < 1372841394 352135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's a good website. < 1372841419 598183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be improved by including HTML menus. < 1372841471 806878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk < 1372841827 34991 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372842453 484701 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372843315 139831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1372843574 900287 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372844020 952420 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372848870 988806 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372848994 190565 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372852381 193642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome neena < 1372852388 7392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0603neena: We06lcome to the in05t10er13nat04ional 09hub for es06ot05eric p10r03ogra13m10min04g language design a13nd deploym04e12nt! Fo09r more inform13ation, ch09eck out our wi10ki: http:03//eso03langs.org/wiki10/M02ain_Page. (For the oth10e09r kind of es08oterica, tr05y #esot10eri07c11 on irc.dal.net.) < 1372853310 76672 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's funny < 1372853314 335241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372853333 904832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the word 'sigmoid' means s-shaped despite the fact that neither form of the letter sigma is s-shaped < 1372853340 349317 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. I am only lurking < 1372853469 707667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they consider 's' a form of sigma < 1372853529 50482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's boring... I like the idea that someone wanted a proper fancy name for s-shaped and just had no clue what a sigma actually looks like < 1372853574 294146 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final sigma: ς < 1372853580 505615 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Greek) < 1372853622 197184 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sigma_uc_lc.svg < 1372853702 462956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it says Eos < 1372853783 728711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had a LaTeX document that used the symbol $\sigma_\varsigma$ for a thing. Then I talked about it in an email, and had to write σ_ς. < 1372853798 380166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was changed to something like a single uppercase latin letter, later on. < 1372853827 296255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: important: do you acknowledge the immense superiority of \varepsilon over \epsilon < 1372853990 254889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do. < 1372854014 504445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gooood < 1372854044 859110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have somewhat similar feelings when it comes to \varphi over \phi, but that might be just personal preference, since the loopier \varphi is how I was taught to write it. < 1372854091 828246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck varphi < 1372854129 345533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the proper Greek letter, instead of some silly "math symbol" phi. < 1372854187 586782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between the var-prefixed and normal name? < 1372854232 512005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The var-prefixed is presumably a "variant form" of some sort. < 1372854244 576055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the "final sigma" for \varsigma, and the loopy phi for \varphi. < 1372854281 173857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought it stood for "variable" < 1372854288 919762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :varsigma varies depending on context or something? < 1372854293 519903 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372854294 22633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you were meant to use \varepsilon for variables but \epsilon for... constants?? functions?? < 1372854326 902417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just *assumed* the "variant" meaning of "var"; I'unno. < 1372854357 934639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also \varepsilon is the more rounded "flipped 3"-style epsilon, as opposed to \epsilon's "c and - overtyped" solution. < 1372854383 98578 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't \epsilon used for empty strings sometimes? < 1372854434 962795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though I've seen \varepsilon as the empty string too. < 1372854444 969512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might've not been a TeX-derived document at all.) < 1372854567 550186 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/#epsilon < 1372854570 686959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best ideas: Use final sigma and stigma for two different meanings -- ς and ϛ are *so different*. < 1372854645 52694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's U+03C2 GREEK SMALL LETTER FINAL SIGMA and U+03DB GREEK SMALL LETTER STIGMA, I hope.) < 1372854648 212312 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yikes. that has them the other way around < 1372854663 265710 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for phi and varphi < 1372854682 780972 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it says < 1372854699 527501 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a disaster < 1372854715 134921 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note: i've never seen \vartheta (the swirly latex one) used anywhere < 1372854729 684792 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angles are usually just \theta, and honestly, what else do you call theta < 1372854737 173191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because the "default" for "them" is the regular Greek letter use, and the "variant" is the "mathy" one. < 1372854749 226255 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's "variant"? < 1372854767 342184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've always assumed, as I said, like, right after you joined. < 1372854787 435442 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pshh reading < 1372854795 120708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "variant" is what Deewiant's link says, too, so I guess they've assumed so too. < 1372854818 777265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I remember seeing \vartheta somewhere, but I have no recollection what it was for. < 1372855000 675113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, of course -- the Jacobi theta function: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_function < 1372855027 639423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen that variant elsewhere < 1372855043 291253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly handwritten, although god knows who'd write it that way < 1372855430 175380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than one people seem to be using ϑ for mean. < 1372855450 18724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess as their go-to "I need a Greek letter and don't have an obvious choice" letter. < 1372855489 788702 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write it kinda like that < 1372855501 310637 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with a little extra bar on the left < 1372855514 991262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most secure data cryption program in the World http://kryptochef.net/indexh2e.htm < 1372855548 739277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember KRYPTO. < 1372855730 902983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof of 256 being "full bits" is impressive. < 1372855857 130271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/06/the_doghouse_kr.html -- oh, from here. < 1372856270 509392 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372856280 312038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The author takes part in the confersation few (hundred) screens down.) < 1372856545 948155 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1372856610 480783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like the bit where he proves almost all existing hashing algorithms are broken, because they generate nonzero outputs for the empty input. His own, LBV5DG, of course isn't broken that way -- "it doesn't work with nothing, how should it.") < 1372856620 103967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1372856644 896341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/06/the_doghouse_kr.html#c185757 is I think a direct link to that comment. < 1372856662 325887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These are some random commenter's English translations of his German postings from elsewhere.) < 1372856718 487099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat http://kryptochef.net/KRYPTOCHEF%20Newsletter%20eng.htm < 1372856951 129213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe he has been badly wronged by the German government, or some such thing. < 1372857045 578714 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372857071 931291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These data programs immediately recognize the password is wrong when it is wrong. How can the program before the actual data decryption. That says it all out on such programs." < 1372857109 25866 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How can the program before the actual data decryption? < 1372857109 979660 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the fnord concept stems from the use that the catholic church and most media. so the teacher says, " one made up for that < 1372857145 395723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You make about as much sense as KRYPTOCHEF. < 1372857145 960244 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you must be a good idea, counting on that i have that was supoused to work, < 1372857188 483283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still horribly difficult to add fungot styles? < 1372857189 59169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: away a sec. the siemens mobile toolkit thing has the api classes as a fnord is a diaresis? < 1372857219 83855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has been horribly difficult? < 1372857225 835631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as difficult as it has been, however. < 1372857262 714438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means "involves, like, a dozen commands", assuming a suitably formatted dataset. < 1372857312 772923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372858331 698486 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372858385 497327 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://www.edepot.com/baseencryption.html < 1372858494 689705 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1372858582 288541 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: «As secure as OTP». yeah, right. < 1372858634 745655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are you doing some sort of a crypto-kook tour or what? < 1372858662 653806 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372858750 652897 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372860013 377045 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372862033 222187 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there still new ed versions? < 1372862430 629950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :improved error messages < 1372862737 357084 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372862998 192692 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372863005 196250 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1372863023 211301 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric