< 1373500816 158856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there seem to be other ones < 1373500823 510814 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't think any of them are on sale or nuthin < 1373500828 447004 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because noone cares < 1373500836 680037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where i link the datahand < 1373500838 296483 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's open-source so it must be good < 1373500850 83323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, http://www.amazon.com/The-PEREGRINE-Wearable-Interface-Medium/dp/B0035HABMM < 1373500850 421440 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id3GQHXVjQY this is basically the opposite of futuristic < 1373500853 444681 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1373500860 17951 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can you wire a keyglove to a pair of google glasses, and, you know, be *cool* < 1373500860 554140 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh don't talk back to me vorpal < 1373500862 346787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I already mentioned the datahand above < 1373500869 166260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, XD < 1373500881 548314 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing about wearable computers is that people have been saying they look stupid since before the web < 1373500901 721094 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimized for WoW, DotA, League of Legends, StarCraft 2 < 1373500905 802091 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rest my case. < 1373500907 227126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373500908 551901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373500915 796490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and possibly sound stupid if you are using voice control < 1373500924 158821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google glass, take a picture" < 1373500935 187635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that in public might not be such a smart idea < 1373500936 598108 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid and/or hallucinating. < 1373500943 462551 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can't use this thing as a keyboard. < 1373500952 119230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but < 1373500956 68603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, google search lied to me < 1373500961 260275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people are used to talking to nobody at this point < 1373500967 191472 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point. < 1373500970 137225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that handsfree stuff exists < 1373500981 155422 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics is being exist again whyyyyy < 1373500989 728751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's being exist < 1373500994 16348 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1373500994 820906 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being exist: truly the worst curse < 1373500995 628648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like everything else < 1373500998 309579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists < 1373500998 806011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id3GQHXVjQY this is basically the opposite of futuristic <-- yes, and it looks very hot too < 1373501001 793778 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, people talking in the phone with a handfree set already look stupid < 1373501005 545202 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i'm just not going to fix it < 1373501029 418589 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "hot", I think you mean "optimized for arctic use". think like a marketer < 1373501030 954260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, even more so if bluetooth so there is no visible cable < 1373501041 144693 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1373501048 858343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, eh I have gloves like that. So not arctic. Just Nordic < 1373501057 164987 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know I keep thinking they're talking to me < 1373501060 119416 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure nordland is in the arctic. < 1373501072 36086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norrland yes < 1373501082 334502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the south of Sweden where I live < 1373501091 452171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not arctic climate here < 1373501100 309066 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey I was at a bar earlier today < 1373501115 428895 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just realize that Koen_ < 1373501117 628809 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted a beer and the waiter told us what kind of beers he had < 1373501122 649394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it would be arctic climate if it wasn't for the gulf ocean stream, which carries hot water up here < 1373501132 189290 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he had affligem, and when he said it it sounded like "african" < 1373501147 319525 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know, African beer? I had never tried that before so I asked for one < 1373501161 273789 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only drink asian beer < 1373501200 897054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I know it's not quite what they were thinking of but "hand keyboard" makes me think of these things < 1373501203 839719 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ulva.com/images/maltron-right-hand785x581.jpg < 1373501208 449861 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I just wanted to share that african beer was a myth < 1373501241 584345 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crappy myth < 1373501255 400290 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I have no idea what position my hand is expected to be in to type on that < 1373501276 145081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm.. "On a typical PC keyboard of today, the Caps Lock is pressed by the weakest finger pinky. The Ctrl key can be easily pressed with palm.", I just tried, on a laptop with ctrl outmost (nope), on my MS Natural (hell no) and on a standard straight PS/2 keyboard (not really without hitting other stuff, but least improbable of all the alternatives) < 1373501293 909822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your hands are gigantic or whatever < 1373501294 980935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1373501298 186538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373501299 465123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1373501304 91155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine aren't :P < 1373501314 200194 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairyhands elliot < 1373501323 297396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ##electronics is not "kmc social values approved" < 1373501326 816704 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck presses ctrl with the palm < 1373501330 32321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :press the ctrl key with your palm? @_@ < 1373501331 117507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should have made that clear before < 1373501332 530612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though again I find hitting alt with thumb most comfortable < 1373501335 616517 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl is 100% a pinky key < 1373501341 880911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do ctrl-i with one hand on a MS Natural, awkward and not possible without turning myself yes, but that is the span < 1373501344 69800 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt is thumb yes < 1373501346 481622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to move my entire hand over to do that < 1373501363 574685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, exactly < 1373501369 840237 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it was obvious within two minutes of going in. still quite irritating < 1373501389 352426 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics sounds bad < 1373501392 395214 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you press anything with your palm. < 1373501402 712324 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ko....en..... < 1373501408 139909 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1373501409 13319 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah < 1373501409 746618 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name < 1373501419 397863 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guest of christmas past has come for you, koen < 1373501431 280539 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373501431 486324 :Guest21998!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373501432 885720 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do < 1373501436 633643 :Guest21998!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1373501444 711139 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, you said that thing < 1373501445 653110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I suspect you could reliably hit space with the lower part of your palm (though not on a laptop or ultraflat), but what would the point be < 1373501449 605289 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about voices < 1373501452 588112 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373501463 532086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely possible on my MS Natural < 1373501485 367565 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some animal on the roof < 1373501493 81420 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the wall < 1373501502 285614 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're... talking? < 1373501502 943165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, it was good getting a split keyboard, turned out i was hitting g with the wrong hand before. < 1373501523 670955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, gnomes < 1373501538 813825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some such < 1373501557 592162 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont worry about "correct hand".. i often hit things with the wrong hand if it's easier to hit them that way the way my hands are situated < 1373501568 422520 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i just always hit them with the wrong hand id < 1373501576 767041 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1373501584 544830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with palm for ctrl I can't hit anything closer than the F keys with my fingers without them hurting < 1373501596 202382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my point is not that ctrl is in a good position really < 1373501601 109262 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it hurts my productivity or moral fibre < 1373501601 376132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that caps lock isn't in a good position either < 1373501601 581674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1373501609 753024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, that might be true < 1373501630 54870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where would you have it? I think I would actually suggest pedals for the modifiers < 1373501637 354815 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: or i just always hit them with the wrong hand idk <<< wouldn't that make it the right hand then? < 1373501643 912691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like I said the position of alt seems best for the main command modifier key < 1373501648 505491 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: left, actually < 1373501655 581991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I will swap alt and ctrl next time I am on non-OS X < 1373501657 458509 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right as in notwrong < 1373501673 348798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, say left foot down = ctrl, left foot forward = alt, right foot down = shift, right foot forward = altgr < 1373501688 630875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, why were you talking about voices < 1373501688 836263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't think foot pedals on a laptop is such a winning idea < 1373501692 112558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake < 1373501697 363744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes, that would be an issue < 1373501707 540997 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you hear them too? < 1373501720 185478 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373501725 548596 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1373501726 351661 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1373501729 647746 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some sort of stupid joke or < 1373501745 325775 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest peacefully, ph < 1373502243 287389 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373502258 681413 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373502748 336418 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/10/mod-trident-scotland-independence hahaha < 1373502786 361859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just let them have some nukes < 1373502788 236439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the big deal < 1373502802 572071 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't want them < 1373502813 632473 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the UK doesn't have a nuclear submarine patrolling at all times France will invade < 1373502820 377285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1373502895 314917 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we should keep them < 1373502902 544300 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'll be braveheart all over again < 1373505337 527558 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha rich! < 1373505352 481854 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the article < 1373505388 436526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome johnny57 < 1373505392 814895 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​05johnny085706: 13We13l14c08ome to the 09internati06onal hub for esoteric 05program03mi11ng language desig08n and deployme14nt!10 For mor05e02 06information, check out 13our wi11ki: htt09p://esolangs.o08rg/w11iki/M12ain_07Pa12ge. (For the12 o04ther kind of04 esoteric13a, try #esot14eric on irc.dal.net.) < 1373505499 105024 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason when i saw that text i thought of fruit polos < 1373505712 996719 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pblist < 1373505714 87258 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pblist: not found < 1373505714 373436 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`plist < 1373505715 177374 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: plist: not found < 1373505718 392913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blist < 1373505719 196290 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blist: not found < 1373505720 2406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`flist < 1373505720 843675 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: flist: not found < 1373505722 336439 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1373505723 728112 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia < 1373505736 30683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was sad < 1373505758 329948 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you and i not on that < 1373505801 353028 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have `alwllist < 1373505813 202995 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`alillist actually < 1373505814 544271 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: alillist: not found < 1373505816 687199 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaaah. < 1373505845 777403 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any strips after honk, phantom. < 1373505860 926394 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`allelelist < 1373505862 76185 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: allelelist: not found < 1373505881 602573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nobody told me when honk came out < 1373505981 469316 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitchhiker's_thumbs.jpg omg there's a name for this?) < 1373506046 179610 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funky < 1373506087 604548 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, tongue rolling *isn't* inheritable? < 1373506130 785274 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it just not Mendelian? < 1373506191 660531 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is little laboratory evidence supporting the hypothesis that tongue rolling is inheritable and dominant. A 1975 twin study found that identical twins were no more likely than fraternal twins to both have the same phenotype for tongue rolling." < 1373506203 879226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1373506243 941634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but earwax still is apparently? < 1373506261 91323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the dominant gene yay
< 1373506273 846115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the consequences of the dominant gene < 1373506280 216224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The musculature of the tongue is crazy btw() < 1373506290 521880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wet type is dominant and dry is recessive, it says? < 1373506295 801907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1373506301 17492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know which type of earwax i have < 1373506305 48590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe I would be happy not knowing < 1373506305 585590 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says that dry is mostly found in asians and native americans < 1373506306 662158 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1373506347 223157 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I got that from my dad, though it just says "more likely", so < 1373506368 345986 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess tongue rolling is a lot easier to show around in a bio class xD < 1373506381 537382 :Suchorski!regex@unaffiliated/suchorski QUIT : < 1373506394 846032 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! and there's the tasting "PTC" thing < 1373506480 847531 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can't exactly do much with ability to smell cyanide, or albinism < 1373506498 958439 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's tongue rolling? < 1373506509 997260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rolled_tongue_flikr.jpg < 1373506584 977230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slide8uuu.JPG < 1373506587 181246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew < 1373506620 392870 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can roll my tongue the other way < 1373506621 732240 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty gross ph < 1373508115 701949 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373508285 566793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373509191 861659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any compiled language can have BOFs" < 1373509196 800638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[buffer overflows] < 1373510265 808889 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373510626 215577 :Guest90495!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510627 703628 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510627 703782 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510628 335574 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510628 335754 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510706 864858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are wrong on the internet < 1373510729 425892 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. < 1373510756 381528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sleeping tonight kmc < 1373510818 260927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I knew him IRL < 1373510820 27547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i have many techniques for not caring that people are wrong on the Internet < 1373510827 42933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, well, people are sometimes wrong IRL too < 1373510830 120230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a pen tester < 1373510832 31915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am frequently wrong anywhere < 1373510840 173325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ballpoint or fountain? < 1373510849 744219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etration < 1373510854 41170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best kind of pen < 1373510941 640568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pen 15 club < 1373510960 587400 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373510960 857236 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373510961 62478 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1373510977 534269 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently hume did a pretty good criticism of gofai. i'm thrill'd < 1373510991 744464 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373511007 363602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a seagull basically hovering about 4 feet above the ground < 1373511010 852052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an updraft < 1373511016 587566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so skilled < 1373511030 141441 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds own, imo < 1373511042 736188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373511100 484205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seagulls will swoop down and take your food but they aim at a point away from you and change course at the last moment < 1373511105 43356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid tipping off others < 1373511201 996499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of mourning doves in my new neighborhood, which makes me happy < 1373511388 195479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → dim sum
< 1373511436 596487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that german for sleeping < 1373511845 808454 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373512516 603039 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373512541 238583 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't even know the difference between a compiled language and an interpreted one < 1373512591 35669 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled languages are faster, duh < 1373512898 689347 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373513116 920780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"compiled into machine code that is directly executed by the OS/Processor" < 1373513117 992531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373513134 470612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't try a serious explanation < 1373513139 662589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't trying it < 1373513144 755191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was his explanation < 1373513152 637429 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373513157 615212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well it's dumb still < 1373513163 903443 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dumb, imo < 1373513185 998413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trivial languages that you make up to prove your points are irelivant < 1373513186 265854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373513234 451164 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey stop arguing with the wrong person < 1373513257 831742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1373513262 502066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About half an hour ago < 1373513268 196028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he had other things to do < 1373514778 263762 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373515157 16911 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373515521 554491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks out his tongue at those who say 8GB should be enough
< 1373515528 110151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost reached that point earlier today < 1373515537 355145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two users logged in, a lot of work stuff and some home stuff < 1373515563 839369 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373515748 942054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373516385 836334 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373516480 449769 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373516601 961767 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373516627 611332 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373516660 367495 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373517583 466108 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373517975 250812 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373518397 633212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373518657 88727 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373518858 668927 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373518988 934149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Phantom_Hoover seriously `pbflist? < 1373519037 849640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with him? < 1373519045 227311 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good questions < 1373519309 963196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1373519312 988948 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373519345 709743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you leave all the channels you used to be in!! < 1373519371 742622 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373519376 566345 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially #esoteric < 1373519386 203946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric isn't a real channel < 1373519395 653200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti........this was your cue........!!! < 1373519429 109606 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti isn't alive it can't understand you < 1373519431 376041 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not here < 1373519445 868626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycles aren't alive either < 1373519506 624774 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh dude i'm right here < 1373519507 697518 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude. < 1373519616 933300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it rude < 1373519660 821426 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373519677 659122 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone mention me? < 1373519705 518783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric did < 1373519708 237775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1373519716 151029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#uselessbot < 1373519720 232852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1373519758 957495 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a rewrite, doesn't have #esoteric but I can add it if you want < 1373519870 115213 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373519887 777953 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373519893 144374 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1373519893 412487 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1373520818 389563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that command ever intended to have a useful purpose? < 1373520826 903971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ^ < 1373520841 852013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373521058 456461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373521256 18023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh Gregor is not here, or is he hiding under another nick again < 1373521295 796991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see no sufficiently ridiculous ones :P < 1373521374 624021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks a couple obscure ones just in case
< 1373521400 277307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Now playing Where's Gregor | <3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373521450 146392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-11 00:17:35 (EEST) -!- Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so has quit [*.net *.split] < 1373521888 597201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who got the infamous libc.so? < 1373521986 25454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY KNOWS < 1373521989 369115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they < 1373522186 432044 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1373522226 335103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373522293 929832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373522298 216701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes it < 1373522337 954788 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whois.domaintools.com/libc.so < 1373522345 936108 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tech Contact ID: mxm1148892775 < 1373522353 249453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: turns out i'll be meeting the people near the powell st bart at 19:00 < 1373522356 733000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373522362 95149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fine bart < 1373522419 147124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: "Contact ID: mxm1148892775 -- Internationalized Name: Marcel Meyer -- Internationalized Organization: levelsystems -- Internationalized Street: Siedlungsstrasse 6c -- Internationalized City: Erding -- Internationalized Country: DE -- Email: marcel.meyer@levelsystems.de " < 1373522441 320935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany is quite the internationalized country < 1373522445 151143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:bart = en:moustache, hth < 1373522446 222943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what sort of people are they < 1373522449 711895 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, incidentally, the sencha reminded me a bit of local anaesthetic < 1373522455 376631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :levelsystems: Wir arbeiten lieber für unsere Kunden als eine hübsche Webseite zu machen... < 1373522459 723376 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what I was thinking of earlier < 1373522485 26844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: that was the green rubbery tea? < 1373522506 704402 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1373522508 658715 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1373522511 617006 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373522520 535867 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out at some point if all sencha is like that. < 1373522521 874790 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about it < 1373522527 552532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some of them irc people whom i've briefly met before < 1373522530 268186 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should have stuck with jasmine, but I was curious < 1373522535 404741 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh I am tired and hungry and I think sleep deprivation has been making me sick < 1373522550 222319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: tea adventure is good hth < 1373522559 301821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyone i know? < 1373522560 629290 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes adventure ftw < 1373522569 654166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think so. < 1373522594 336193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373522596 799385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1373522623 425167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do my best hth < 1373522647 281897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes and i had fancy tea today btw, it was p. good hth < 1373522654 731753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373522658 505250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i become a tea snob < 1373522666 304871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1373522674 615700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask mnoqy < 1373522677 682552 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373522683 208728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1373522684 92569 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373522685 612206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i become a tea snob < 1373522690 318833 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure if you want < 1373522717 170275 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373522736 662018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinformation on stackoverflow :'( < 1373522741 516235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i bother < 1373522753 340964 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1373522761 360816 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a new answer, someone will surely upvote it < 1373522764 472658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahah < 1373522798 308578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo people much prefer answers like "ghc auto-memoized it" and "tail-call elimination" to answers like "GMP is just faster than Java's BigInteger" < 1373522807 992671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373522822 190641 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, SO has many features that pinpoint it a lot more as a place-of-social-exchange rather than an authoritative-answer-on-unique-question. < 1373522845 633021 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... not sure how memoization would help with bignum arithmetic < 1373522862 106629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't help in this case, unless the function was called more than once < 1373522868 212792 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a fair marketplace of answers. it's an extremely unfair one that can still be effective, if you're lucky. < 1373522873 911428 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to imagine how it possibly could < 1373522895 166287 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd need a situation where the thing being memoized couldn't just be done by the ALU in negligible time anyway < 1373522898 931754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, if you're computing bignum fibonacci numbers or something naïvely it would probably be p. helpful < 1373522907 5418 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but that's really stupid. < 1373522928 10165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373522941 769816 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really dumb. might as well implement multiplication for fixnums yourself. in base 10. < 1373522946 255512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's factorial which is even stupider since memoization doesn't even help (unless you use it more than once) < 1373522948 16371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 1337 < 1373522952 601493 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Haskell's Integer type isn't even GMP a lot of the time < 1373522972 305528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, but maybe doesn't make a huge difference? < 1373522972 529408 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing factorials fast is a very interesting problem < 1373522973 435026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my favorite part was when someone said the haskell code was faster than the java code because ghc does strictness analysis < 1373522976 772994 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1373522983 676787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect that GMP is also pretty fast on machine-size integers < 1373522985 685847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow.......... < 1373522988 267390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373523000 54865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question at hand: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17584630/why-is-factorial-calculation-must-faster-in-haskell-than-in-java < 1373523000 334560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has a very basic strictness analyser < 1373523003 509714 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that... but... aaaaaah < 1373523006 8793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes up only 0 lines of code < 1373523088 387997 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man java bignums are always so wonderfully verbose < 1373523105 183138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hchrist is this cache thing, help < 1373523125 645883 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, all functions are pure unless they're doing IO (see link) < 1373523137 79643 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking Java uses an array of int to implement BigInteger, but it also stores more information (5 additional words, plus 'vtable'). < 1373523142 848619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of true < 1373523143 444055 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ. christ help < 1373523153 698541 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is able to do tail-call optimization because it's just iteration. The same can be done in Java with a for loop as in your example, but it won't have the benefit of being functionally pure. < 1373523167 367095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true by way of being tautological < 1373523184 524476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only because the condition is never satisfied < 1373523186 666130 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so anyway. computing factorials is interesting. < 1373523191 641204 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, on the other hand, for quite big integers, stores the number of bytes used, fact that it's long, and the number itself. < 1373523191 876383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you could also say it has nothing to do with functions < 1373523191 876570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well if your flavour of Haskell has unsafePerformIO then it's true by being tautological, but not vacuous < 1373523198 446481 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly as much. < 1373523201 605246 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how practical it is to factorize and stuff < 1373523215 762648 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if you're doing 1000000! you probably don't need precision anyway? < 1373523215 762836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay but, I don't think considering unsafePerformIO when talking about the semantics is worthwhile. < 1373523243 658728 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..1000000.0] < 1373523245 678762 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1373523250 504496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, lambdabot < 1373523261 399395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real problem here < 1373523263 545392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to read a pop sci article about homotopy type theory http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23749-mathematicians-think-like-machines-for-perfect-proofs.html < 1373523268 17024 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' (*) [1..1000000.0] < 1373523269 594328 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1373523269 594525 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1373523269 594631 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please no < 1373523269 594753 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. That's the correct answer. < 1373523272 801074 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get enough shit in pop sci about brains < 1373523273 690642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: right from the title < 1373523278 89680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's going to be amazing < 1373523278 392337 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... i can't take the math. < 1373523280 136175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't deal. < 1373523284 822250 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too much < 1373523293 60146 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not up for anything that amazing imo < 1373523310 532505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as know, types didn't exist before machines. < 1373523310 804402 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we < 1373523311 334467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi < 1373523312 615779 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1373523330 830269 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e < 1373523331 896862 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : e < 1373523334 445799 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1373523336 361079 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sss. < 1373523337 439712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it has your aczel < 1373523337 977767 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 < 1373523338 183599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi :: Cereal < 1373523339 51974 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1373523339 259928 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1373523342 605142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi :: Cereal < 1373523343 677592 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841972 < 1373523345 288091 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cereal < 1373523353 93538 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cereal < 1373523362 701058 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant believe you dont know what cereal is < 1373523366 988528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal.com < 1373523368 97149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ^ 7 -- i also forgot < 1373523368 901694 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 128 < 1373523371 48507 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1373523393 377140 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me youve seen sourcereal.com bike < 1373523396 380495 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its important < 1373523397 452595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCereal 100 pi < 1373523399 904078 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have actually < 1373523400 709045 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406... < 1373523405 3304 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let stirling n = ((n/exp 1)^n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n)) in stirling 1000000 < 1373523406 75110 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1373523406 281961 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M582996387.sho... < 1373523412 509320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal.com is v. important < 1373523415 227152 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373523427 737058 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \n -> ((n/exp 1)^n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n)) < 1373523428 538902 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Floating b, Integral b) => b -> b < 1373523434 253384 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1373523438 548510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \n -> ((n/exp 1)**n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n)) < 1373523439 83478 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a < 1373523445 327138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah everything's terrible imo < 1373523447 467882 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, for the grand finale < 1373523452 885372 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\n -> ((n/exp 1)**n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n))) 1000000 < 1373523454 225628 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1373523458 555324 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1373523463 740685 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1373523508 495940 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ln 10 < 1373523509 570507 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ln' < 1373523509 776179 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1373523509 776362 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : `n' (imported from D... < 1373523511 752138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 10 < 1373523513 92128 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.302585092994046 < 1373523536 604044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate log 10 < 1373523537 672247 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [10.0,2.302585092994046,0.834032445247956,-0.18148297420509205,NaN,NaN,NaN,... < 1373523547 638989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what's cereal cereal cant believe you dont know what cereal is < 1373523547 905784 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a log with base? < 1373523551 657426 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1071) what's cereal cereal cant believe you dont know what cereal is < 1373523552 504213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logBase < 1373523555 225793 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1373523560 889449 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the HoTT article has some nice quotes from Bauer < 1373523571 53778 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 100 10 < 1373523572 126837 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1373523584 575145 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 100 < 1373523585 689290 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0 < 1373523603 868279 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let shitfuckfuckfuck n = n * log n - n in shitfuckfuckfuck 1000000 < 1373523607 190043 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.2815510557964273e7 < 1373523612 863790 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1373523616 388483 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the worst < 1373523619 113236 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at everything < 1373523623 980736 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever. < 1373523646 816467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (length . takeWhile (join (==)) . iterate log) $ iterate (*2) 1 < 1373523647 885192 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,3,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,... < 1373523661 825009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you forgot to give a definition < 1373523678 117444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cereal can be defined as something that is made from cereal. < 1373523683 522245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SourCReal < 1373523684 865748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure that's not cocereal < 1373523718 375406 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, e7. i didn't fuck up too bad. < 1373523755 561600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2815510557964273e7 / log 10 < 1373523756 371738 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5565705.518096747 < 1373523761 225598 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = map (length . takeWhile (join (==)) . iterate log) $ iterate (*2) 1 in findIndices not $ zipWith (==) x (tail x) < 1373523764 983055 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1373523774 914318 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can haskell bignums handle five million digit numbers < 1373523785 455228 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = take 1000 . map (length . takeWhile (join (==)) . iterate log) $ iterate (*2) 1 in findIndices not $ zipWith (==) x (tail x) < 1373523786 792609 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,21] < 1373523797 281942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's just gmp < 1373523800 6426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually) < 1373523806 257638 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well i don't know what gmp can handle < 1373523811 82062 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the worst, as previously mentioned < 1373523811 351152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's a lot of digits < 1373523825 113666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can we settle on two million digits < 1373523829 941211 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp can handle as many digits as can into... what's the order of magnitude... TB? < 1373523835 961060 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fit < 1373523837 72654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373523853 784312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :µB < 1373523855 664557 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, modulo other constraints besides just pure size. < 1373523862 149212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i get the base 10 digits first hm < 1373523876 217952 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. addressability < 1373523940 128393 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :re aczel, it's kind of a shame i'm too principled to pretend anything brain related depends on mathematical foundations, or else i'd totally write an awesme counterpart to shittyaczelpaper based on hott < 1373523997 229370 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains? they're pretty great, but what about them < 1373524018 956899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the abc conjecture proof includes a paper with the title "Inter-universal Teichmuller Theory I: Construction of Hodge Theaters" < 1373524022 168315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did nobody tell me this before. < 1373524029 748531 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dude those papers are great < 1373524035 767238 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make no sense < 1373524051 737169 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you're missing this whole "backstory" that i already explained to elliott < 1373524074 756590 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have been hanging out with me in Palo Alto < 1373524085 247155 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like ten waleses away though. < 1373524090 717209 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than explaining things to elliott < 1373524094 473599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what aczel paper are we talking here < 1373524095 9381 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a good paper title < 1373524102 599274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higgledy piggledy / GMP Integer: / only constrained by the / size of your RAM. // sure, i'm neglecting the / addressability; / 32-bit are some / kind of a scam < 1373524110 89462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1373524112 510334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :messed up the end < 1373524113 580999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1373524115 735920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maximum number of limbs in a GMP number is whatever fits in an int on your platform; the limbs themselves are typically 32 or 64 bits. < 1373524137 338851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these double dactyl things are hard ok < 1373524142 783317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit ones are / some kind of scam < 1373524146 328054 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the bikeologist one < 1373524155 243369 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373524171 276132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's somewhere around 68719476736 or 137438953472 bits. < 1373524174 501023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373524176 985399 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373524177 526631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gone < 1373524195 324049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what < 1373524197 736270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :write me a double dactyl and/or limerick plz thx hth < 1373524205 597752 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh like < 1373524207 205208 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1373524221 494180 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will also accept poems in onegin stanza < 1373524227 470562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 137438953472 bits < 1373524229 612551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: help! < 1373524231 271267 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/?input_amount=137438953472&input_units=bytes¬ation=legacy < 1373524231 477316 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Bit Calculator - Convert between bits/bytes/kilobits/kilobytes/megabits/megab... < 1373524236 947899 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :any takers < 1373524241 303680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 137438953472 bits in terabytes < 1373524242 912408 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.015625 terabytes < 1373524243 118645 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://letconversion.com/data-storage-conversion/from-terabits/to-bytes < 1373524243 118836 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Terabits to Bytes Conversion Calculator - LetConversion < 1373524249 651193 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will even take both tetrameter and pentameter < 1373524250 455088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's not a lot of TB < 1373524255 821419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: sure, go for it < 1373524262 810911 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:18 a biologist mentioned it (it was a dumb mention) 12:18 of course it was, a biologist made it < 1373524270 884993 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "the backstory" < 1373524275 711043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Wow, that's pretty rude. < 1373524291 183981 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1373524297 617571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was going to make a mean joke but i won't make it < 1373524302 793594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1373524308 462232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no meanness to Bike < 1373524315 714876 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :biologist? hm.. dunno < 1373524328 896944 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up on things < 1373524332 193174 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a man on Wight/whose limericks were kinda shite/When asked for a ditty/his response was so shitty/His entire audience got a fright < 1373524332 464264 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1373524336 213600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who aczel is right < 1373524340 574306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo onegin stanzas aren't so great usually? in english anyway? but maybe they are < 1373524361 57141 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did all that set theory stuff < 1373524370 824315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you could also just write me a plain old iambic pentameter shakespeare-style sonnet imo < 1373524379 464668 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a biologist was like "wow this is totally relevant to my field" < 1373524383 639493 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it wasn't & that's dumb < 1373524389 68803 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrote a paper about it. < 1373524390 944118 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you still haven't given me something funny and specific you don't like < 1373524398 551934 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was that limerick < 1373524398 757730 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1373524417 470130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: oh the limerick i was talking about before: < 1373524431 353694 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good, maybe change last line to "His toupe perked up in fright" < 1373524442 362686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Double dactyl verse form is, perhaps unsurprisingly, rare in popular music." < 1373524444 110702 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :...makes about as much sense? or less, which is better. < 1373524457 849214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1373524472 758333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice fucking the unicode up!! < 1373524485 231515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373524492 121414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ꙮ is alphanumeric? < 1373524541 289494 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I read that little square as "multi-ocular o" < 1373524554 271701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what square < 1373524555 608843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373524555 878283 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it didn't render at all < 1373524557 788532 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst backstoyr < 1373524559 217658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373524560 556839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on ehre < 1373524563 772367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal is broken I guess! < 1373524572 289181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/s is rendering it "just fine" < 1373524577 685742 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am on a mobile device < 1373524594 9123 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may or may not support unicode < 1373524607 757331 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I think I've reached a local maxima with mine < 1373524613 119688 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided you don't like #haskell < 1373524618 748882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one does < 1373524623 323419 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a young critic named shachaf / Who put #haskell flags on a mast-half / When asked why he said / "I don't think it's yet dead, / but I hope it'll get there quite fast-fast" < 1373524628 933967 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, last-rhyme is a cop-out < 1373524640 760758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all cop-outs :'( < 1373524647 777229 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doens't like #h a s k el ldl < 1373524655 104923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo import more hebrew to rhyme with "shachaf" < 1373524688 402384 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know, I don't want/do code-switching < 1373524834 776960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a hard time coming up with an anti-biologist limerick here < 1373524930 945444 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about make fun of vitalism < 1373524965 381111 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some poetic motes/Penned by a chap named Gracenotes/The meter was sluggish/The rhymes were rubbish/And it wasn't even the worst thing he/she wrote < 1373524986 225980 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1373524993 15737 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost self-referential, that one! < 1373524999 790130 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1373525036 390198 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of anything that rhymes with Taneb < 1373525065 971426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can you finish this anti-biologist limerick for me < 1373525068 918867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps it's also an anti-bike limerick < 1373525072 538388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needs a last line < 1373525072 854182 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1373525076 922153 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naan ebb? < 1373525264 909656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread shortage < 1373525274 57537 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a man in nantucket / he watched birds and the bees and a duck pit / til one day at noon / they drained the lagoon / and right then and there he said "fuck it" < 1373525277 428175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best i can do elliott < 1373525281 978817 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a boy called elliott/Who thought biologists smell-iot/He wrote a short rhyme/In limerick time/And said "with the last line to hell-iot" < 1373525289 19500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike. < 1373525291 972483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiou were meant to finish MINE < 1373525293 341615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1373525295 521407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so impolite < 1373525299 329217 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where's yours < 1373525308 491979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here you go "there once was a biologist named Bike / who found his head stuck on a pike. / the previous day / channel regulars say /" < 1373525317 761609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good very good < 1373525335 409403 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that first line even fit the meter... < 1373525339 227048 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice start < 1373525364 470253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you please fix your meter thx < 1373525370 376942 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1373525407 535095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1373525407 740844 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some physicists sought to compete / With biologists who lived down the street / The biologists leisured / Since they couldn't be measured / Because all of their work was discrete. < 1373525409 716897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the meter < 1373525411 78454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a poet < 1373525428 233580 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude did you rhyme "leisured" with "measured" < 1373525430 913467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of accent is taht < 1373525453 609711 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right people say it like "ledgered" < 1373525454 716774 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1373525471 298408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you rhyme "nantucket" with "duck pit" < 1373525496 368189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1373525499 48577 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, eh. not exactly a searing punchline, but... it's basically true... < 1373525499 315372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: ^ < 1373525511 262793 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck doesn't rhyme with fuck :| < 1373525515 82775 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey that works! almost < 1373525515 351055 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id you rhyme summer with fuck < 1373525520 553445 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real flaw with mine is that it's terrible < 1373525520 857949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373525523 270093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Vogon poetry's got nothing on us | <3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373525526 21986 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general < 1373525541 718849 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatal flaw < 1373525564 219362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey my original one was good < 1373525575 660723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean thee ꙮ one < 1373525581 701577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the best limerick of all < 1373525584 111917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ILLL GRANT THAT ONE < 1373525585 728545 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to make one criticizing physicists without going for the obvious stuff (like cow spheres) < 1373525588 179456 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should write a lickermich < 1373525591 698638 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**likercimv < 1373525592 770252 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man once insulted my metrical technique/Despite my skills being at humanity's peak/So during the night/Purely out of spite/I killed him as he slept under a sheet < 1373525594 442642 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**lickerbic < 1373525597 21259 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lim,erick < 1373525597 825554 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a very esoteric limerick < 1373525598 97743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lickermich < 1373525605 136211 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop before you hurt yourself :o < 1373525613 869847 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1373525617 132104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good < 1373525625 510615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :'( < 1373525625 779286 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: reasonable < 1373525629 799784 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i'd be impressed to see a limerick criticizing renormalization < 1373525631 177757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually hurt to read that < 1373525660 461597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an expert on brainfuck / how the fuck do you rhyme with brainfuck < 1373525677 820639 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chained muck < 1373525679 735891 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :'summer' rhymes with 'brianfuck' I think < 1373525690 3277 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fain luck < 1373525728 15016 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cain suck(s) < 1373525733 98846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo what's a bad thing you can do to someone that ends with -ition < 1373525743 876454 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :perdition? < 1373525749 14918 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly... < 1373525755 600295 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being petitioned sucks < 1373525755 909772 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, actually, that's a good one < 1373525765 61879 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedition? < 1373525766 441325 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Christian theology) A state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death. < 1373525768 45770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a mathematician / fit only for eternal perdition / on type theory he said / "I'd rather be dead / than formulate proofs with precision" < 1373525777 134055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1373525779 594501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't rhyme < 1373525784 492549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it with the bad rhymes < 1373525786 102459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1373525790 661139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop it < 1373525792 843767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet mnoqy likes my limerick < 1373525795 260351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to not rhyme at all < 1373525796 934492 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its alright.. < 1373525801 299534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373525803 981772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me how you really feel < 1373525805 317729 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mathematician/perdition is ok < 1373525812 877160 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an expert on brainfuck/On whose shoulder sat a plain duck/He looked at it and said/"Hop on to my head/"And this will be the best day of summer" < 1373525814 792226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: precision????? < 1373525822 678938 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh < 1373525830 173121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm sorry, that _does_ rhyme. it just doesn't scan. < 1373525832 342056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the last line < 1373525845 250196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it doesn't do nothin' < 1373525847 970368 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ion is enough for it < 1373525855 785711 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it scans to me... < 1373525864 253077 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373525865 861306 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 'eternal' is too long < 1373525878 797440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of "eternal perdition" i originally had "harsh extradition < 1373525879 403450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373525879 671959 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 'utter' < 1373525880 476608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so y'know < 1373525882 86415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got better < 1373525883 160512 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thinks) how do i make the rhyme (stops thinking) < 1373525904 563275 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dangerous mission < 1373525906 710506 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think 'utter' works. < 1373525910 345600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome, elliott. < 1373525911 956691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about some drugz rhymes < 1373525913 61651 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kitty did mew in the night / For her hunger did hit with such fright / She did look to her mother / As there was no other / With nipples < 1373525916 10909 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuclear fission < 1373525923 289825 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to expect an anti-limerick at some point, yes < 1373525934 934704 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or laziness. < 1373525935 737855 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't half of these been anti limericks < 1373525941 403542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have < 1373525942 207690 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssshhhhh. < 1373525943 318062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not funny < 1373525946 263994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just bad < 1373525947 873695 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shachaf~ < 1373525953 303911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all just being bad < 1373525956 519734 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1373525957 325474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop it ok < 1373525958 930707 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1373525970 313193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you stop < 1373525971 922753 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to choose the most saccharine topic and the most predictable of subversions < 1373525979 776479 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for you, shachaf~~ < 1373525990 276255 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many tildes help < 1373526004 285866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :≈ < 1373526011 325758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a hoover ethereal / who despised derivative material / on the wiki he saw / some brainfucking lore / and gave brick-brain punishment imperial < 1373526012 961928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike≋ < 1373526013 168069 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :more unicode hearts too < 1373526017 934090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ new limerick ^^^ < 1373526033 767118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1373526036 719112 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1373526040 777555 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip. < 1373526046 850364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like my limerick < 1373526047 942208 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a dude called shachaf / now hes gone / rip < 1373526068 258772 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you seem to like packing syllables into that second line < 1373526073 656667 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :New rule: no limericks allowed for the next 2 months < 1373526075 874505 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it ever do for you to deserve such bounty < 1373526082 143753 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in favor yell angrily at your screens < 1373526115 479863 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired for yelling < 1373526116 854521 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i abstain < 1373526152 404747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a lover of cereal / who sought to define the material / on sourcereal.com / they dropped the truth bomb / "it is something made from cereal" < 1373526179 236152 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an onslaught of tilde s/By Which a poetry veteran was killed/Our painful rhymes/And meter less than sublime/Only stood to give him a pretty good thrill < 1373526189 115565 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that's made out of cereal < 1373526201 52555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://sourcereal.com < 1373526208 559580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to stay as true to the source material as possible < 1373526226 514652 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition of Sour Cereal < 1373526226 720973 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cereal can be defined as something that is made from cereal. One can put it in a bowl, on a plate, or leave it in a box. Cereal is a nice thing to think about and sometimes eat. Sour cereal is an example of a type of cereal with spices. < 1373526248 992165 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb,.getting cereal < 1373526323 364903 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373526324 474523 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373526556 666354 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373527445 367212 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373527445 573594 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1373527445 573673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373527618 411364 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373527633 9065 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back < 1373527758 627695 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello you literally missed nothing < 1373527929 304060 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1373527937 452034 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed my cereal < 1373528909 220665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think badly scanning poetry is from now on a bannable offense hth < 1373528933 978508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, elliott, that means you cannot write poetry any more < 1373529050 36448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it just means I'll be banned from it. but happily I have the power to remove bans! < 1373529058 210289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not without +R. fuck &, also, shit < 1373529063 345322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for it < 1373529089 817872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated offenses _may_ affect your ability to unban hth < 1373529119 522508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just protecting sentient life in the universe, i hope you understand this is necessary < 1373529160 615603 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373529289 627907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed a lot though < 1373529517 578427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373529519 28201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired < 1373529528 704468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373529531 676435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf left :/ < 1373529553 470066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to nominate him as poet laureate < 1373529791 487121 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¾ < 1373529802 627406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should sleep < 1373529819 426368 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :® < 1373529835 422744 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þ < 1373529844 806627 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :µ < 1373529860 108945 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¶ < 1373529874 219475 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :™ < 1373529890 288507 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :± < 1373529897 175751 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1373529898 287621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's special-characters hour here at the #esoteric. < 1373529964 596197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ıf you w®ıþ€ wıþh əlþ-ŋ® ðowñ oñ þhıš ĸ€yßoə®ð ləyouþ, þh€ €ñ𠮀šulþ šþıll ĸıñð of looĸš lıĸ€ ®€ŋulə® þ€×þ. < 1373529970 374995 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :★ < 1373529989 459896 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo thats kind of like badly scanning poetry < 1373530022 662655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of altgr-b for the not-beta-but-German-ss ß is kind of rude. "Looks like B" indeed. < 1373530320 643440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Compose S S < 1373530395 318814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſ is Compose F S which seems... all right? < 1373530407 456361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :€€€€€ < 1373530430 439529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥¤£¤ < 1373530437 261129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("if you write with alt-gr down on this keyboard, the result is rather disappointing.) < 1373530445 919107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+" < 1373531123 444768 :kiview!~kevin@194.94.127.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373531149 175963 :kiview!~kevin@194.94.127.7 PART :#esoteric < 1373531250 508607 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373531438 783840 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373532836 281992 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373533251 422680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373533288 863097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this simon tatham puzzle was made by ben olmstead < 1373533308 998499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373533320 992321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Inertia" < 1373533409 166211 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is simon tatham a brand < 1373533448 802807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1373533477 812827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made putty and this puzzle collection, both of which i use < 1373534603 596859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you won't be using one of those for long, hth < 1373534636 735913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a threat hth < 1373534662 582396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I'm going to threaten him with a linux installation CD < 1373534665 576573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl < 1373535923 562000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent. < 1373536229 353266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happened to mnoqy too < 1373536870 132575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373537100 752088 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373537617 755272 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373538461 399853 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ghc -e 'print (product [1..905381] :: Integer)' | wc -L ==> 5000004 < 1373539761 800151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: LAter < 1373539857 925616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hi I have clang questions < 1373539880 847975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 1. is clang's output without any -O at all as completely-terrible as gcc's is i.e. do I always want at least -O or -Os or whatever < 1373539889 958918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 2. does clang give worse warnings without -O like gcc does < 1373539958 889268 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Yes to the part before the i.e., I think, but definitely no to the part after it < 1373539990 57134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen gcc's -O0 output < 1373539993 133157 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. I'm pretty sure that the answer is no < 1373540027 993533 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably seen some of it at some point < 1373540078 426570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't see how you could stand ever using it :P < 1373540092 566948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the output of a toy C compiler you would write in a weekend for fun < 1373540101 13504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you compile stuff in order to look at the generated assembly? < 1373540112 926389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think clang only uses FastISel at -O0 < 1373540118 370051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but I don't want to feel like I'm running a Python program :( < 1373540123 736933 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever want to read -O0 assembly < 1373540134 287835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does shave 15 seconds off the build time though < 1373540139 453573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means it should be significantly (once your program is big enough) faster to compile stuff at -O0 < 1373540142 140652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice because I'm really lazy < 1373540154 384198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compared to -O2, a bit less compared to -Os < 1373540155 795728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried -O < 1373540166 593004 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't -O equal to -O2 in gcc and hence clang < 1373540183 3757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really < 1373540185 683796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be new if so < 1373540190 584803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure -O1 is a thing < 1373540194 410624 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: python cannot run, it slithers < 1373540199 14081 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes -O1 is a thing < 1373540199 571926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was -O made to alias to -O2 at some point < 1373540200 949585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than -O1 < 1373540206 961554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O is equal to -O1, I believe. < 1373540211 537827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's -O1 < 1373540211 805381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still.) < 1373540226 402674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think clang doesn't support gcc's fancy -ggdb3 stuff < 1373540228 319465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me sad < 1373540230 501190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was -O2 ever since the -O[123] were introduced < 1373540233 718141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgcc -O6 hth < 1373540241 268559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently it doesn't do any more than line numbers if you use anything other than -O0??? < 1373540241 843948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm probably thinking of a different compiler < 1373540248 9174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I have a compiler refund < 1373540257 561488 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any more than line numbers in what? < 1373540271 397335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -g Generate debug information. Note that Clang debug information < 1373540271 602841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : works best at -O0. At higher optimization levels, only line number < 1373540271 603025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : information is currently available. < 1373540276 5690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, this is more reason to use -O0 < 1373540277 885890 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The return shipping for your gnu is one gnu. < 1373540281 370395 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1373540294 75048 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever used debug information for anything other than line numbers < 1373540306 785116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just like knowing there's something fancy involved you know < 1373540310 93169 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any language, ever < 1373540319 5519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -ggdb3 made something perceptibly nicer when I switched to it with gcc < 1373540320 344466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forget what < 1373540326 856410 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually a bit surprising now that I think about it, but oh well < 1373540357 32116 :rom__!rom__@c-76-24-231-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373540468 208939 :rom__!rom__@c-76-24-231-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373540513 723539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :building to a ram disk < 1373540515 421882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I hardcore yet < 1373540524 736130 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other debugging information than line numbers and symtab < 1373540526 610287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good that made the build slower < 1373540529 897423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(???????) < 1373540541 631090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your ramdisk is swapping < 1373540909 597740 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373541121 176653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373542489 823057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373542501 692190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I came across a fun pathological function in my research yesterday < 1373542527 293783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm having trouble expressing in any programming language (other than languages as low-level as, say, VHDL) < 1373542547 618015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you call it, it returns two functions/closures, let's call them f() and g() < 1373542566 333839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1373542569 14119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373542580 985173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, there are side effects involved here, so let me try to be clear about the types < 1373542596 869520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my function is (IO ()) -> (IO (), IO ()) < 1373542600 929137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373542604 411462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good at Haskell < 1373542610 636586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable < 1373542620 420159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be -> IO (IO (), IO ())? < 1373542646 356651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm reasonably sure it isn't, in this case; there are no side effects involved until you actually execute the return values < 1373542662 95750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1373542677 576461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just two IO () -> IO () functions < 1373542681 633300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373542700 906502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's equivalent to that, although conceptually weird thinking about it < 1373542708 472856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hmm < 1373542715 738146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I do need an extra IO in order to avoid having to compare functions < 1373542733 941853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, that sounds implausible but ok < 1373542735 762286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is IO () -> IO (IO (), IO ()), just so that the two return values can be aware of each other < 1373542739 561547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373542758 318572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you call either of the return values, then the original argument starts executing < 1373542779 536954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the return values stop executing when either the original argument stops executing, or the other return value is called < 1373542792 269691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, while the original argument is executing, there has to be at least one of the return values executing < 1373542794 725679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can take it in turns < 1373542811 284642 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop as in they can continue or as in they die < 1373542818 793789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in it returns < 1373542828 253337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g., I call pathological(delay 1000), that gives me two functions f and g < 1373542840 99701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I call f, then it won't return for 1000 time or until I call g < 1373542852 612613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I call g, then f returns, now g won't return until the original 1000 time is up or I call f again < 1373542854 760693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflation of functions and programs upsets :( < 1373542858 46783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1373542880 33308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in Haskell this doesn't need two functions, because you could call the same function simultaneously from different threads < 1373542910 852712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you spend a few days staring at linear logic, you start ceasing to be able to comprehend the idea of copying data < 1373542940 519442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just make it (IO ()) -> IO (IO ()) < 1373542947 628995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is like a weird version of spawn? < 1373542953 28772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a bit < 1373542969 248839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like a concurrency primitive, but it doesn't match any of the concurrency primitives I've ever seen < 1373542975 145493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you find it in? < 1373542985 375996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a counterexample to something I was trying to prove < 1373542999 223658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that if you run the action from one thread, it returns in any other thread that's running it? < 1373543016 556625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1373543038 661649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, the idea is that once you start it running, it finishes, but threads can pretty much change /which/ thread is running it arbitrarily < 1373543063 152182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1373543082 521840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy I use as a mental model of it is, you start some long-running task that needs someone to constantly supervise it < 1373543083 58644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of being an action can this be a sort of lockish thing? < 1373543090 677046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can change who's supervising it < 1373543109 362308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that you "wait" on it and then someone else can wait on it instead. < 1373543121 732547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I tried to implement it with locks, but failed, and it's quite easy to prove (using the same research that discovered it in the same place) that that's impossible with a static concurrency model < 1373543147 745337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. one where each fork() has to have a matching wait() called from the same thread) < 1373543261 971153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could handle it with an integer semaphore and a thread that's happy to clean up for itself and doesn't need to report back to a parent < 1373543338 212951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that asshole Phantom_Hoover < 1373543340 357101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… now I'm tempted to add this as a concurrency primitive to INTERCAL < 1373543346 796776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1373543357 324320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits the action-at-a-distance flavour of INTERCAL quite well < 1373543363 25484 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone make a brainfuck derivative < 1373543367 673162 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make a brainfuck derivative < 1373543368 730169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he triggered the pbflist and there is no new pbf. false positives are a waste of my time! < 1373543370 669368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373543380 592696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's what I said! < 1373543383 280705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbf = perry brainfuck < 1373543407 25784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, you're here now. Don't do the thing you did. < 1373543434 729679 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1373543437 745156 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia < 1373543443 413405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1373543447 819781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick Phantom_Hoover < 1373543454 296554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just being annoying, you know. < 1373543505 945330 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think on some level you're to blame for taking the `list system seriously < 1373543579 661302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any system for systematically pinging people should be taken seriously < 1373543592 590149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what use is this new concurrency primitive? < 1373543594 596466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because pinging people for no reason is annoying. it's also called "spam" < 1373543602 180837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know that it's useful < 1373543605 120681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who do it are called "spammers" < 1373543646 231542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Are you sure you couldn't implement it with other primitives anyway? I believe I can think of a way, though it isn't wait-free. < 1373543650 457664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest a collective dropping of the topic < 1373543679 821629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as I said, it's provable that you can't do it with a static concurrency model, but if you have more general concurrency models it's implementable < 1373543695 516911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373543744 541276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I admit I'm not an expert on this area, and I'm not quite sure what a static concurrency model is, but I'm thinking in terms of pthreads with semaphores message queues. < 1373543759 428240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :semaphores and* < 1373543817 924320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373543828 99238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. I'll have to work out the details < 1373543905 438176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pthreads doesn't have any particular "parent" / "child" division, or at least lets children outlive their parents < 1373543908 972808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably workable < 1373543916 248853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surprisingly nontrivial even if your language is expressive enough, though < 1373543919 611635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, is that a requirement for static concurrency? < 1373543925 50271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you could do it in terms of a couple of semaphores and mutexes in fact. < 1373543965 996732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's pretty much what static concurrency is < 1373544037 323016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is how I would do it: Transform the task into three functions: f,g and h, have h execute the actual task, in a separate thread, have f and g wait on a signaling semaphore, these can either be signaled by h completing, or the other function of f or g being called. You will need to refine it a bit to handle two functions calling f, or f/g being called after h completes but the idea should work I beli < 1373544037 762037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eve? < 1373544076 273060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unless I misunderstood the problem that seems like a pretty straight forward implementation in a pthreads style environment < 1373544080 432707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I think that works < 1373544118 144465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is an utterly useless thing though. :) < 1373544164 440917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373544167 661383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have any particular recommendations wrt what ThinkPads are good to buy (I realise this is hopelessly vague) < 1373544167 867125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of interest ais523, what else defines a static concurrency model? < 1373544187 683899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc has a thinkpad x1 carbon and it looks p. nice < 1373544204 112131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love STM, but people say there might be something better possible < 1373544208 489946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it basically means that your only thread-creation primitive is a "run X and Y in parallel" function, or can be implemented in terms of that < 1373544213 654788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't return until both X and Y return < 1373544222 500657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373544239 346298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, benmachine++ < 1373544248 819159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, mis-up-arrowed. < 1373544256 178020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, But you are free to do whatever in terms or semaphores, message queues, critical sections and so on? < 1373544270 758267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, he helped me with a thing in /msg the other day, he can keep the extra karma. < 1373544312 16831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: /set window_history on < 1373544315 1083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, there's no restriction on synchronization primitives < 1373544323 823555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also btw, I never understood the difference between a critical section and a mutex. They just seems like two ways to express the same thing? < 1373544336 608795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a mutex is one way to implement a critical section < 1373544349 747211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a critical section is a semantic property rather than some specific implementation < 1373544355 893604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1373544368 449778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why do I want that? < 1373544377 662650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it makes up-arrow work better < 1373544386 818507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also re: X1 Carbon, that is one of the models I am looking at < 1373544404 433019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I frequently e.g. /msg things to lambdabot and later up-arrow in another window. < 1373544413 54080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose I could up-arrow in the lambdabot window. < 1373544417 424821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1373544421 225761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep it like this for now. < 1373544432 655121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reason for the mis-up-arrow is that my palm touched my touchpad.) < 1373544433 459224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I didn't realise there were clients that didn't have per-window history < 1373544434 299990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resolution on them is kind of bad though it seems :( < 1373544442 996226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which scroled the scroll-wheel, etc.) < 1373544446 744463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or per-tab) < 1373544447 13030 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373544490 364871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could emulate non-static concurrency in a static concurrency using a concept of worker thread pools? Just start x number of threads and make them never complete. Now you can use message queues to submit jobs, and then you can implement the weird primitive above < 1373544495 943884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I missing something? < 1373544531 862166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also they're p. expensive < 1373544542 815196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just emulate a non-static concurrency on top using semaphores to signal "completion" of your threads and so on < 1373544558 999581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, in my case that didn't work because we can't send anything more complex than an int < 1373544567 175121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perils of hardware compilation < 1373544571 275854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well right < 1373544581 306385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could translate everything into bytecode and then interpret it at the other end :) < 1373544589 935656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should get the clevo W740SU so you can tell me whether it's any good hth < 1373544599 101630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I would like something with an ultrabook form factor and battery life and workstation-replacement specs and netbook price........ < 1373544606 132893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, the concept of static concurrency seems a bit ill-defined if you can just emulate non-static concurrency on top of it. < 1373544619 758109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's ill-defined if the rest of your system is also ill-defined < 1373544642 505368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a sufficiently well-defined model of what you can and can't do, it's quite easy to define static concurrency too < 1373544646 849972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i want all that too! let me know when those are invented. < 1373544649 335149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote removing concurrency < 1373544651 750660 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :236) gah, who'd have thought removing concurrency from algol could be so difficult < 1373544659 365227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well okay, is having full blown semaphores and message queues ill-defined? < 1373544695 508035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you even have to ask the question, rather than having an answer ready to hand, it means that your system as a whole is ill-defined < 1373544713 58789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, does this system have higher-order functions? does it have closures? < 1373544725 203124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, can we send a closure through a message queue and get some sort of useful result? < 1373544742 534903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these problems are nontrivial, e.g. compare "can I send a filehandle over a network connection?") < 1373544755 92744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in most programming languages, the answer to that is "no"; in CLC-INTERCAL, it's "yes") < 1373544757 232552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In unix you kind of can < 1373544762 798845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unix sockets < 1373544767 24557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the same computer < 1373544775 803361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang allows that fully across all nodes of course < 1373544792 278019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you wouldn't need to send closures though, as you said above yourself, bytecode. < 1373544822 701535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, now you reach the question of "is this language capable of decompiling arbitrary functions that are passed in?" < 1373544838 985403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, in some languages (e.g. Java), the answer is "yes", but it's typically "no" < 1373544851 801193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1373544953 757461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, you could even in C just implement an interpreter for your own byte code. Or you might not even need that. Something like an enum defining predefined tasks and some arguments to it could be enough to implement a limited number of tasks if that is all you need. < 1373544974 703157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also they only have 8 gigs of RAM :'( < 1373544997 566189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which one, the X1? < 1373545004 51367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373545012 412961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373545026 279022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But back in the day you couldn't even get i7+8GB at once. You had to choose 4GB or i5. < 1373545037 783551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373545046 856484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark old days when kmc was looking at it. < 1373545055 192022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"back in the day" "4 GB" < 1373545060 703772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1373545074 766038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really used computers in the "640KB is enough for everyone" era < 1373545088 52033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo what's not to like about that clevo thing, 4-core haswell cpu, 1920×1080, <2kg, supports 16GB ram, no nvidia optimus < 1373545101 959372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did use them in the era when 640KiB was the base memory and you needed to use unusual APIs to access the other 2MiB, with many programs stuck in the bottom 640 < 1373545106 38023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~$1000 < 1373545108 218284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is the clevo again < 1373545109 19977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i'm not sure if it's actually good. this is where you come in < 1373545122 585000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one system76.com is selling among other places < 1373545129 552404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you want a powerhouse computer, the business Dells laptops are quite good. Not very portable, and pretty bad battery life. Matte screen and trackpoint though. < 1373545185 30469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really what I'm looking for, I want the laptop part more for the portability indoors than for it being a desktop you can lug around elsewhere < 1373545192 346081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rightb ut I can't find a clevo on system76.com < 1373545192 879935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have a Clevo-based laptop. < 1373545196 214493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used my dads Mac back then. I never had to deal with that weirdness < 1373545212 123497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 hth < 1373545219 141597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I think it was months since I took out my work laptop of the docking station XD < 1373545219 982624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from the 2011s, though; and big-and-heavy. < 1373545228 884200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well by then, packagers had got used to the weirdness < 1373545233 518412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clevo is the manufacturer's name hth < 1373545236 510317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gave simple instructions about what to put in config.sys < 1373545256 230260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but wouldn't it possibly break between different programs you wanted to run? < 1373545265 438250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if the touchpad is any good < 1373545299 483706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really, by that stage it was mostly a case of increasing minimum settings < 1373545308 488066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you set the settings too high for a program, it'd still run just waste memory < 1373545321 597114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see, that's the kind of question i need you for answering < 1373545326 126546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, waste memory that could have been used for what? < 1373545326 421507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was OK because the programs that could make do with lower settings normally were written for older computers anyway which had less memory < 1373545333 562108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap/stack < 1373545341 19432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting the settings up higher meant the kernel had to use them < 1373545347 673993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373545349 899463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the kernel had to use more memory < 1373545352 87224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving less for userspace < 1373545367 191821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't some DOS programs put the computer in a 32-bit mode while running? < 1373545379 752946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.avadirect.com/gaming-laptop-configurator.asp?PRID=19611 <- I have this thing | it is so big. < 1373545388 140915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are there any system76 display models in stores anywhere < 1373545395 803458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it? < 1373545403 122719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe. Who knows. < 1373545416 377352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there were "DOS extenders" that put the system into protected mode, then turned it back into realmode whenever something tried to make a system call, so that DOS would work correctly < 1373545418 176795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 17" heh, yeah those are big < 1373545420 935029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lenient is their return policy < 1373545427 437328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which handled some 32-bit system calls themselves < 1373545430 338973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373545436 92808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack for DOS works that way, for instance < 1373545447 20747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOM works that way. < 1373545447 324302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp how do i frink < 1373545456 707427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here's Clevo's own web page on what I'm told is the same thing: http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo.asp?productid=472 < 1373545465 175732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think. At least a lot of games come with DOS4GW.) < 1373545467 234993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I had to mess around with DOS extenders for making the NetHack TAS < 1373545481 814736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including fixing the emulator so that it could handle at least one of htem < 1373545496 277541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the X1 have haswell < 1373545510 3116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373545525 998960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost no one has haswell so far < 1373545533 151199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is new in haswell? Even stupider instruction names? < 1373545549 282497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear you should wait until september or so if you want reasonable haswell options < 1373545555 785967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there some Apples with Haswells? < 1373545560 990610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbook airs have haswell < 1373545567 254712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373545572 412237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the pros don't, I was hoping to see what the retina would be like with haswell < 1373545581 284342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that could be a pretty compelling option for me < 1373545591 576820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this system76 clevo is cheap < 1373545607 461578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "the x1 carbon is p. expensive" elliott < 1373545617 973595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you saying VPUNPCKHQDQ is a stupid name! < 1373545629 438655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes! < 1373545632 223224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has 2.0 ghz so it's going to feel very slow no matter how fast it is :'( < 1373545641 129425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what does that one stand for? < 1373545654 461029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help, which kind of SSD is the best < 1373545664 532274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most expensive one hth < 1373545672 268060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like the Intel 520 SSD at work. 250 GB < 1373545688 681949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty expensive IIRC < 1373545703 370509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vex parallel unpack something something hth < 1373545711 984753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373545736 223869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does sandy bridge have that one? I want to test it out < 1373545736 878504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 gigabytes of RAM and 256 gigabyte SSD and 1 TB HD for $1432...... that's pretty good < 1373545742 273136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and haswell < 1373545745 756716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and 1080p < 1373545747 518769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to see if it is the right choice for me < 1373545749 945755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and IPS < 1373545753 431450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more things < 1373545754 505742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: V for "vector" (probably), P possibly as a prefix for "packed", then UNPCK for unpack, and HQDQ for "High Quadwords to Double-Quadword". < 1373545766 232610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And no, it was an AVX2 instruction. < 1373545777 758679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373545778 901512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Doesn't V stand for "three-operand"? < 1373545780 861554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You probably do have the plain PUNPCKHQDQ though. < 1373545786 243913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373545799 673553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, sure, "thVree-operand", of course. < 1373545813 746866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VEX_prefix < 1373545815 511635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, both SSD and HDD? Must be a pretty heavy laptop < 1373545815 753221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1373545846 177140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I still guesstimate that the 'V' in the name originally derives from the word vector. < 1373545850 129414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway if PFOO exists in SSE and you have plain old AVX isn't that enough to be able to use VPFOO with SSE registers? < 1373545855 502511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 1.72 kg by default apparently < 1373545859 963032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: default = HD and no SSD < 1373545876 631093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt the SSD is heavy enough to make the total not light < 1373545878 714404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too bad < 1373545891 532407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Only the floating-point stuff is in plain old AVX, I think. < 1373545900 205259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: AVX2 extends to integer datatypes. < 1373545929 389435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current laptop is like uh < 1373545932 761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but if you just need SSE instructions, i.e. on xmm registers, I think you can use the VEX prefix. < 1373545933 73525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4 kg or something < 1373545938 476770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet this one would feel super heavy :( < 1373545996 151777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think mine is closer to 2.5 kg or something < 1373546025 284766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current laptop: ~3kg? < 1373546026 89995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Look, all I know is that VPUNPCKHQDQ is in http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2011/06/13/haswell-new-instruction-descriptions-now-available < 1373546068 176100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe they mean that it works on YMM registers now? < 1373546082 51138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is your current laptop < 1373546086 917424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dell xps 15 < 1373546089 65465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l502x < 1373546119 555713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the blurriness of the screen in https://c12278716.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/galu1-e791e840dd9d7623d0228ca15867ae74.jpg is just a bad photo < 1373546135 634566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not even blurry there < 1373546140 309359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just downsized on the web page so it looks blurry? < 1373546242 259327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway I could've used AVX2 back when I was writing some SSE code. :-( < 1373546271 458355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haswell, will travel." < 1373546320 618929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway tell me if you find a better computer than that one along the relevant axes < 1373546559 473930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are there any INTERCAL implementations that use the Haswell PDEP/PEXT instructions for select/mingle? < 1373546730 593827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not as far as I know < 1373546756 897980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it could be added as an alternative in C-INTERCAL's libick < 1373546758 240869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So behind-the-times. < 1373546770 34013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /would/ be the sort of thing I'd like doing, but I wouldn't be able to test it < 1373546792 545057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need someone to donate you a haswell computer < 1373546794 153462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the good of intercal < 1373546814 606474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a kickstarter. < 1373546818 511113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if they just donate me a patch, and convincingly claim it works < 1373546831 96145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are lazy people with money < 1373546930 139742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of them care about haswell-accelerated INTERCAL, though? < 1373546955 185591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems haswell is less energy efficient than ivy bridge hm < 1373546962 29993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Performance < 1373546971 813720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And harder to overclock < 1373546972 297062 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PART :#esoteric < 1373547007 502347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: isn't it meant to be much more energy efficient < 1373547029 927913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1373547036 772972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't know, I just pointed you to the source I saw it on. It could be that it is more energy efficient for the given performance < 1373547078 711481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like anyone wants to overclock a laptop anyway < 1373547088 216179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay wikipedia is quoting two sources that are both the same text??? < 1373547095 50144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haswell architecture is specifically designed[5] to optimize the power savings and performance benefits from the move to FinFET transistors on the improved 22 nm process node.[6] < 1373547141 339029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably an attempt by one of them to drive traffic to their site < 1373547142 413765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haswell_Chip.jpg what causes the repeated patterns on chips like these < 1373547148 154722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I assume they're a bunch of duplicates of the same thing? < 1373547148 360433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably < 1373547169 13487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't that a waffer with multiple CPUs? < 1373547171 660152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: most commonly it's RAM (e.g. L2 cache) < 1373547179 711965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a large repeating area < 1373547184 535900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh maybe < 1373547195 875547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately we will never know because ais523 won't click it :P < 1373547197 35987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but inside each CPU there are repeating patterns as well yes < 1373547212 796037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that particular image may just be multiple chips < 1373547217 388671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time believing the entire CPU is much smaller than a pin < 1373547222 338125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it says waffer in the description below < 1373547256 500771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically chips have to be that small, a single impurity makes the entire chip unusable < 1373547258 525294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would guess the CPU is about as bit as the pin, that is, the largest scale repeated structure is one CPU each. < 1373547263 283777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they need to make them small to fit between impurities on the wafer < 1373547268 891110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :big* < 1373547300 577932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it would be awfully thin if so < 1373547312 102731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't that the point of three core CPUs? One of the cores had an impurity in it? < 1373547323 627420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure that is unlikely though < 1373547338 473400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell GT2's die size is listed as 177 square millimetres; that's a 13 mm x 13 mm square, if square. < 1373547344 401788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1373547350 193996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're failed attempts to make quad core CPUs < 1373547369 251555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, presumably some of the dual core CPUs are quad cores with two failed cores as well? < 1373547383 736065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD still does 6-core CPUs right? what's up with that? < 1373547387 792210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's less likely, that'd be rare enough that it wouldn't be worth their time to separate them out and market them < 1373547388 61300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-core CPUs where two failed?? < 1373547390 778114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd probably be thrown away < 1373547394 831922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they might just be made as 6 < 1373547405 963444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373547415 566282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you don't really get 8 cores on a single CPU much < 1373547482 793947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway yeah, I suspect within each CPU, there is L2 cache in one area of the chip and then 4 cores, then some shared stuff at the top. That would fit with other (annotated) images I have seen of dies. < 1373547504 465361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1373547534 788572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The GPU is a big block there too, probably. < 1373547540 270048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the bottom part might be cache, then each of the 4 repeated bits could be a core, then at the "top" there is some common bus, power supply, clocks or similar. That is a rough guess. < 1373547548 819681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I suggested that above. < 1373547563 167001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mostly dark-red one, I think, based on the shapes of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2234017 < 1373547588 491792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway most of a physical CPU's area is just to allow for all the pins at a scale where the pins won't break if you touch them. < 1373547610 10199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh okay, so reverse of what I was thinking then < 1373547656 750380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you said GPU not CPU sorry < 1373547661 793911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words, they look similar < 1373547744 296362 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373547845 446746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is one reason why the companies try to put more stuff on the CPU (such as GPUs), less pins to go to external locations. (The other reason I can think of is less latency) < 1373547866 945150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also less size presumably < 1373547875 395902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is an effect of less external pins < 1373547885 940410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373547942 555258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOCs (System-On-a-Chip), such as found in phones, takes that even further, often integrating sound, wifi, bluetooth, DSPs and so on as well. < 1373547995 75869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PC is in a bit of a weird spot there, since adding the GPU onto the chip doesn't actually reduce number of pins currently. You still need that PCI express bus anyway. < 1373548013 47616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So latency would be the primary reason there I assume < 1373548042 814729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reduced costs, not having to make separate integrated GPU chipsets (at least for Intel) < 1373548191 889579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, What is the next step after 22nm? < 1373548215 825147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why did they go for 22 nm rather than 21 or 23? Or maybe 22.5? < 1373548320 709398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 nm is the next one. < 1373548348 740326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373548379 178363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 10, 7 and 5, but that's a bit speculative? < 1373548382 390345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't really care, I just write compilers that design chips, I don't actually make them < 1373548413 379324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still they only recently started taking advantage of 3D structures I believe? Previously it was mostly layered 2D right? < 1373548461 165691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be more efficient to design a cubic CPU? That would make the signal paths shorter it seems to me? A bit more complicated cooling though I guess < 1373548510 830713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "bit" more complicated to manufacture using current lithography techniques, most likely. < 1373548524 781259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1373548559 54653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you even do more than one layer currently? < 1373548588 362359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deposit a new layer of silicon on top? < 1373548635 648258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; another question along the same lines (where the answer is most likely "by being clever") is "how do they draw 20nm lines using light with wavelengths in the hundreds of nm?" < 1373548657 698064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use electron beams nowdays iirc? < 1373548697 587618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *exists*; I don't know what e.g. Intel uses at the moment. < 1373548705 481064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even the really low tech photolithography that schoolchildren use to make PCBs uses ultraviolet < 1373548706 172302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1373548716 248764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cuts your nanometres down a bit < 1373548718 705340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel has already outlined a path to use 193 nm immersion lithography down to 11 nm node" that's still light. < 1373548727 230446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373548751 100792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Immersion lithography is a photolithography resolution enhancement technique for manufacturing integrated circuits (ICs) that replaces the usual air gap between the final lens and the wafer surface with a liquid medium that has a refractive index greater than one. The resolution is increased by a factor equal to the refractive index of the liquid.") < 1373548755 928630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know they use double masking. Where they first use one mask then switch to another offset mask. < 1373548852 156628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Extreme ultraviolet lithography" has the greatest name. < 1373548854 318507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_integrated_circuit < 1373548868 174616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it is in the works < 1373548894 696286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have to do something. < 1373548930 847629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :More cores? More optimised instructions? There are lots of way to continue increasing performance in the future < 1373548966 990993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an FPGA section of the chip that could be optimised for each application < 1373548970 465736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be cool < 1373549056 292501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Intel has done some forays to the EUL direction. < 1373549066 237289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUL? < 1373549078 454924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Extreme ultraviolet lithography? < 1373549108 542352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that into xrays already? < 1373549125 759994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Extreme ultraviolet lithography (also known as EUV or EUVL) is a next-generation lithography technology using an extreme ultraviolet (EUV) wavelength, currently expected to be 13.5 nm." < 1373549145 272173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's still ultraviolet down to 10 nm. < 1373549150 787663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373549154 740151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then x-rays from 10 to 0.1. < 1373549190 304158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Intel Lithography Roadmap" requires a login. I wonder if I have an Intel account. < 1373549199 875741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gamma below that? < 1373549226 587157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a lithography roadmap require a login? < 1373549270 425722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://noggin.intel.com/content/the-intel-lithography-roadmap -> click link -> "To access this additional content, you must first log in. If you haven't yet registered, please sign up. It's quick, it's free, it's easy!" < 1373549279 709553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not an answer to the "why". < 1373549290 982918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's merely a statement that the roadmap requires a login < 1373549301 824602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lithography technologies, such as 193nm, 157nm, and EUV lithography, which have benefited from Intel investment, have gained industry acceptance, while competing technologies, such as x-ray lithography, are no longer being pursued." < 1373549306 736965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way they put it. < 1373549320 145602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how good is the clevo's touchpad :P < 1373549326 884096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's p. standard. < 1373549376 374981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard is bad < 1373549384 488225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never met a touchpad i didnt dislike..... < 1373549445 440888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same, go for trackpoints. < 1373549473 825691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's a pretty evasive way to praise themeselves < 1373549476 822927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themselves < 1373549503 525273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I'd be surprised if there were any ASIC manufacturing technologies that Intel hadn't put at least a bit of money into determining how well they worked < 1373549679 207475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it sounds more like a threat. "Nice lithography technology you've got here. Would be shame if something happened to it, and it was no longer pursued." < 1373549709 717380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they're the ones giving the money instead of getting it. < 1373549774 551227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there actually any sharp difference between 11 nm UV and 10 nm x-ray? < 1373549787 567436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds more like an arbitrary line < 1373549804 146281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a one nanometer difference hth < 1373549810 481097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's pretty sharp." < 1373549822 144434 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1373549824 649380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the distinctions between different sorts of light are pretty arbitrary < 1373549833 617265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even visible, because not everyone's eyes are identical < 1373550119 167422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that there are no precisely defined boundaries between the bands of the electromagnetic spectrum; rather they fade into each other like the bands in a rainbow (which is the sub-spectrum of visible light)." Some Wikipedia editor's being very poetic there. < 1373550127 148630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was looking for standard definitions.) < 1373550239 884260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITU apparently has standard names, numbers and frequency boundaries for things that can be called radio, from EHF to ELF, but don't extend outside those bounds. < 1373550486 512723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the low-frequency end only starts from ULF, officially. (It goes ULF, VLF, LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF and EHF.) < 1373550525 265154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no; there is ELF, but it's four bands wide, and in a separate table; and SLF is missing. Way to be logical, guys. < 1373550548 564412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought ELF was an executable format < 1373550626 829216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultra-Linkable Format, Very Linkable Format, Linkable Format, ... < 1373550647 670191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Super-Linkable format is missing. < 1373550660 73290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, the Extremely Linkable Format is objectively better. < 1373550661 204508 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :High Frequency, Very High Frequency, Unusually High Frequency, Surprisingly High Frequency, Excessively High Frequency < 1373550767 308117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Apparently some authors[1] use THF for "Tremendously High Frequency". < 1373550776 156809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your names fit that pretty well. < 1373550790 189285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] Tanenbaum, Andrew (2002). Computer Networks. page 101: Prentice Hall. p. 912. ISBN 978-0-13-066102-9. < 1373550840 389671 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373550923 464010 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1373551127 369731 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373551408 600920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should figure out a way to take photos in radio wavelengths. I want to look what it looks like when I stand in front of a wifi router. < 1373551532 644695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I imagine it'd look much the same as taking a photo of a lightbulb < 1373551563 378818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :routers don't send signals that turn corners for the same reason that lasers don't shoot out light sideways in real life, like they do in films < 1373551571 29807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, surely I wouldn't be completely invisible? < 1373551585 977702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you were taking a photo of it < 1373551593 25810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than someone taking a photo of you next to it < 1373551598 172993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you'd probably be at least slightly visible < 1373551600 898010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, me standing in between camera and the router < 1373551604 822751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although human bodies don't block radio waves very well < 1373551608 741318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373551623 295086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is part of the reason radio is used for communication) < 1373551651 1142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the world would be transparent. That would be pretty cool I think < 1373551671 856865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not fully transparent < 1373551676 217351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But partly at least < 1373551711 695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I imagine the main technical obstacle to building a camera like that is that it would have to be tens of metres across, or perhaps more depending on the wavelength < 1373551882 602909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, reading up on MIMO (curse you wikipedia, I started out reading about lithography and ended up at MIMO...). That is pretty clever. < 1373552115 958309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If antennas length need to match the wavelength, why does normal FM radio work? You can just turn a dial or press a few buttons, and it doesn't extend or retract the antenna afaik. < 1373552362 129919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't need to match exactly; it works better the closer the match is < 1373552366 761077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373552373 499043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll still work at non-100% efficiency if the match isn't perfect < 1373552381 960917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get some of the signal reflecting rather than being transmitted < 1373553009 388878 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373553045 494794 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373553246 308195 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373553931 857032 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan < oerjan> was that command ever intended to have a useful purpose? <-- no < 1373553932 122057 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373554484 519947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373554546 265610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (899) < 1373554548 331923 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (899): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1373554557 278109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I bet oerjan joined to tell me. < 1373554566 500355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: boo < 1373554575 225934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O KAY < 1373554587 699752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i bet 900 will be big and important?? < 1373554599 900089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo! < 1373554618 479044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um were previous round numbers important? < 1373554642 120933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1373554647 829652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them? < 1373554655 438404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0300.html looks kind of important i guess < 1373554696 750786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timing xykon < 1373554698 131010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 400 is important < 1373554699 739600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, given what happened in 898 < 1373554701 887757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :500? i don't know < 1373554703 255334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the end of the story arc < 1373554723 45345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do you read `olist? < 1373554727 955321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to be added to the list? < 1373554740 190822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nah, I just check manually from time to time < 1373554750 124209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no particular reason to have up-to-the-minute updates < 1373554754 271064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it updates kind-of slowly anyway < 1373554759 434549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that I'm often not in the channel < 1373554765 103383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've noticed. < 1373554780 794737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523 is here! < 1373554786 579957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm often offline even when I'm not in the channel < 1373554801 937604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were gone for so long that the channel sprouted some new ops. < 1373554846 214834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373554868 762464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to leave again tbf, except perhaps when something new happens that I care about talking about < 1373554927 774099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's nice having you here, when you're here. < 1373554979 990950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you should stay.) < 1373556455 558750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re "photos in radio wavelengths", there's a couple of cameras that take "photos" of sound -- http://phys.org/news/2013-05-world-handheld-camera-ready.html and the like. < 1373556655 55335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an NFS mount gets so broken that you cannot even kill -9 processes trying to access it, must a linux machine then be rebooted? < 1373556676 437508 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373556681 350551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix the NFS server and hope it recovers hth < 1373556707 708691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is the _server_ is fine, it's the client which has problems :P < 1373556782 227160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not actually me who is administrating this, i'm just wondering if i can expect to get kicked off when they fix it. < 1373556855 215352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the server is fine i mean that i can access my mail inbox fine from a third machine. < 1373556983 73176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really guaratee the health of the NFS service operating on it, though. (I think in most cases rebootless fixes should be possible.) < 1373557005 354200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373557035 174887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the third machine also accesses via NFS, of course) < 1373557079 786543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or "non-fixes" of the kind of "let the process stay dead, lazy-unmount the broken NFS mount, and wait for the next scheduled reboot for a more permanent solution".) < 1373557119 791822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373557161 936857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they can remount a second time... < 1373557179 278620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise no one can access mail from this machine. < 1373557395 77924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lazy umount just removes the mount from the filesystem tree; it shouldn't be a problem mounting something working in its place, unless of course the NFS client code makes that a problem. < 1373557457 656082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1373557525 510249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NFS hangups I've seen at work lately have ended at I/O errors in the process (in a reasonable time; not days) -- possibly corresponding to people doing something to the server. But I don't admin those either. < 1373557688 880901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there may not be any admins active at the moment. yesterday there was a different but probably related problem and i quickly got an email back. < 1373557723 142529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, the X1 Carbon is nice, I can talk about its strengths and weaknesses if you like < 1373557870 471867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds good! I am really tired but if you have a monologue I will read it and I might have more questions tomorrow < 1373558295 661014 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373558452 229889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i haven't read all the logs yet, but it looks to me like your concurrency primitive should be trivial to implement in haskell < 1373558482 998193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd like to see the impl; also I don't know how concurrency works in Haskell, which is part of the reason I wouldn't try to work it out myself < 1373558608 882430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh except for one thing, it definitely cannot be pure, you'd want to allocate an MVar to communicate between invocations. < 1373558658 303678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: alt. we can do it tomorrow < 1373558862 306096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow sounds good < 1373558864 452407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 1373559466 201388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, lame doesn't take flac as input. Now what? (No I can't use ogg here, the device I need to put this on only supports mp3) < 1373559514 866175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert lame pun here < 1373559556 773790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice < 1373559607 86641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: flac --decode --stdout foo.flac | lame --preset standard /dev/stdin ... or whatever < 1373559610 429611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need a temp file < 1373559634 682481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does flac --decode output? PCM? < 1373559648 155225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a .wav file I think < 1373559653 8809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1373559703 104843 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg -i foo.flac -o foo.mp3 or whatever < 1373559753 437394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lame --help says - will work for stdin so that should be good < 1373559764 48937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Is that better than lame? < 1373559871 254988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in *.flac; do flac --decode --stdout "$i" | lame --preset extreme - "${i/.flac/}.mp3"; done <-- this should work right? Not sure about that /.flac/ syntax, but I think it is correct? < 1373559886 81651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems correct < 1373559912 688440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this takes ages, how to parallelize? I usually use xargs -P < 1373559933 411434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that GNU parallel thing. < 1373559950 222401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, --preset extreme is overkill. < 1373559953 130055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yeah doing this with xargs would be complicated, maybe through a sh call < 1373559956 535920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1373559966 972225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything between standard and extreme? < 1373559973 165366 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373560000 334837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But ffmpeg is deprecated!1 < 1373560014 102965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I don't think so. but I really doubt standard fails to be transparent on non-pathological examples without equally pathological listening conditions < 1373560015 29394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what? < 1373560038 224998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The command-line tool, I mean; tou're supposed to use "avconv" these days. < 1373560050 75527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 190 kbps and LAME is p. good at encoding < 1373560065 675736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did the original ffmpeg project give up or is it still a hostile fork situation? < 1373560072 916826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh < 1373560081 551088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: http://sprunge.us/TbBh < 1373560099 380147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think avconv's part of the official ffmpeg now, or something. I haven't really been following. < 1373560129 767986 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not < 1373560164 282694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a "libav" thing, mhmm. < 1373560168 438615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg 0.10's changelog from 2012 says " < 1373560169 774158 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all features from avconv merged into ffmpeg" < 1373560174 422464 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what that means < 1373560218 915528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either. < 1373560300 917516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess you shouldn't be using avconv if your libavcodec and friends comes from FFmpeg and not libav. < 1373560307 390313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad it's not confusing or anything. < 1373560430 927968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html < 1373560480 570181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so the main good things are, it's thin, light, and has a screen with a not embarassingly low resolution < 1373560497 535940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1600x900 while the other ultraportable thinkpads are 1366x768) < 1373560533 342819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery life is fine (I get about 5 hours in a moderately tuned Linux system) but the battery charges really quickly, which is nice < 1373560556 976374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it will charge from 20% to 80% in 30 min or so < 1373560558 82223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(includes stuff about the deprecation warning) < 1373560564 520868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a FFmpeg/Libav war child --" < 1373560572 862517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tragedy. I shed a tear. < 1373560576 144045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there are Ivy Bridge power management improvements in Linux 3.10 and I should try that < 1373560604 450222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it suspends and resumes from RAM *really* fast < 1373560610 885666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like resume takes 1 second before the machine is completely usable again < 1373560624 987453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why suspend to RAM should be slow, but it's always been a bit slower on other thinkpads i've owned < 1373560688 8046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ffmpeg < 1373560688 454063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/arvid/.cache/keyring-cU64W7/pkcs11: No such file or directory < 1373560692 169153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? WHY!? < 1373560701 351997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is ffmpeg doing that?! < 1373560732 151111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1373560780 118509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have any idea if it might be getting Haswell any time soon < 1373560795 923339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1373560803 351204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no expert on lenovo kremlinology < 1373560812 34764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't even get a straight answer as to when the i7/8GB model would be available < 1373560834 312797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is it not possible to add a few extra RAM modules yourself? < 1373560841 242662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1373560844 79994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?! < 1373560845 35257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think you can get i7 + 8GB now < 1373560845 838121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an "ultrabook", RAM is soldered on < 1373560847 983870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf told me tales < 1373560849 455314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1373560858 716200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yet another reason to go for normal laptops < 1373560873 692499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt Vorpal and I have different utility functions < 1373560875 837418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to admit I fail to see the reasoning here < 1373560876 909930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, also there's a touch version now < 1373560881 939798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, right. < 1373560895 762115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you can't upgrade the RAM < 1373560900 893726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can't get 8 gigs of RAM so you should get a machine that is worse at doing what it's for in every respect other than it happens to have 8 gigs of RAM" < 1373560908 971729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I have 8 gigs of RAM!! < 1373560912 342396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wish I had 16 :( < 1373560915 904027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you maybe can't remove the SSD either; I need to try that < 1373560927 826807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past the ability to quickly remove the hdd from thinkpads has been very useful in disaster type situations < 1373560942 982030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the SSD is a mSATA card but I've also heard otherwise < 1373560944 319683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like having the ability to extend the hardware easily as my needs changes. < 1373560974 693372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes my main misgivings look like (a) no quad core (solved by haswell??) (b) intel graphics (made less bad by haswell??) (c) 8 gigs of ram limit < 1373560982 774702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems reasonable < 1373560982 981239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) the screen could do with being even higher-resolution...... :( < 1373560993 136856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there will probably be a 'retina' version someday < 1373561001 242603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a chromebook pixel instead ;P < 1373561007 326452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I think samsung has a high dpi laptop too now < 1373561010 45842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs < 1373561020 771113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, on my thinkpad I only need to remove a single screw to change the HDD. I need to remove 4 to reach the RAM modules. < 1373561024 804922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also looking at https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 because of shachaf < 1373561033 109303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes I have owned thinkpads before as well < 1373561042 882570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Anyway should my ram break I can replace it. Couldn't if it was soldered on. < 1373561047 714217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 32 :3 < 1373561050 133906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had RAM break < 1373561057 453787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which my main misgiving is whether the touchpad is any good < 1373561061 740163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I interpreted that as "I have 32 Thinkpads". < 1373561070 771200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and whether iris pro is actually decent enough) < 1373561072 644320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Not for ages. (Early 2000s iirc) < 1373561074 834633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other issues: Linux hardware support isn't *quite* there yet. it's mostly fine, but occasionally sound freaks out, this can usually be fixed by removing and reinstalling the kernel module, but not always < 1373561086 992080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've occasionally had similar issues with wireless too < 1373561100 402322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is frequent enough to really be annoying < 1373561122 483084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can keep listing drawbacks of this machine without Vorpal assuming that I'm a dumbass who didn't know these things when I bought it < 1373561123 19849 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... gigabytes XD < 1373561138 528633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and listing irrelevant facts at me < 1373561139 101186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how much have you actually managed to use < 1373561144 419616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm not assuming you are a dumbass :P < 1373561144 625245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ignoring disk caches and stuff < 1373561174 618790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And finding out linux hw support in advance tends to be rather hit or miss I found. < 1373561194 913070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't forget to mention the keyboard < 1373561196 253524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also it takes a different power adapter plug than other thinkpads :( (the standard round barrel is too thick for the case) < 1373561212 40378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't have any thinkpads and never have so that's not really a concern at least :P < 1373561214 758450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373561220 392392 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um... I think I probably use like up to 2 or 3 GB for a game? plus a few gigs for other things so probably like 8-10 < 1373561222 272551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had quite an investment in old-style power adapters < 1373561230 695898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disk cache is nice though! albeit not quite as useful with an SSD < 1373561248 126769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right! when I was playing around with ECM factoring I got to use 23 GB and actually ran out? xD < 1373561258 896388 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you do any programming? < 1373561262 172068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no onboard Ethernet; it ships with a USB Ethernet adapter that is only supported by recent-ish Linux (see http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/12/hex-editing-linux-kernel-modules-to.html) < 1373561272 147674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably use 32 GB just by compiling enough Haskell packages in parallel I guess < 1373561276 324835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any actual programming I mean < 1373561278 255297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what, do you mean "do i do any work instead of hanging out on IRC all day" < 1373561285 545350 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes =P < 1373561288 805229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1373561295 12507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a meeting in 10 min < 1373561303 408229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I did write code yesterday < 1373561308 834279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how is your IRC performance" < 1373561309 409942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, do you have to give Kensington® some money if you put a Kensington® hole® in your thing? < 1373561315 42389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have you sold any ThinkPads lately" < 1373561319 102139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are they believing your Mozilla cover story" < 1373561329 449433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You could take a look at the driver code and fix it once and for all < 1373561330 730499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: um... I think I probably use like up to 2 or 3 GB for a game? plus a few gigs for other things so probably like 8-10 <-- I mainly found that I use my 16 GB of RAM for running hundreds of chrome tabs. < 1373561341 164240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also the only video port is Mini DisplayPort; if you want VGA or DVI or HDMI you need an adapter as well, and that one is not included < 1373561348 54351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the occasional game, minecraft with mods especially. < 1373561367 952110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course panorama stitching, but that is not a very common activity. < 1373561375 912547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly use the 16 gigs at work to hold large matrices. < 1373561384 612972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have hundreds of tabs open regularly in Firefox, and it doesn't take anywhere near that much RAM < 1373561386 526179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no biggie < 1373561393 638584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh also my code was building, that's my other excuse < 1373561399 3868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Gaussian random data if I can't figure out what else to put there! (Not really.) < 1373561404 481884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you added any code yet < 1373561408 348840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373561408 594268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, well of course chrome doesn't take it all. Usually about 1 GB total as far as I can tell. < 1373561413 300328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hope your matrix multiplication algorithm has good cache locality < 1373561416 721138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, but it gives room for still doing other stuff < 1373561444 669691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/mozilla/servo/commit/9f6de7e5e30ff84bbe04d22c04a22fa33e4aa8e7 https://github.com/mozilla/servo/commit/cfffd0542404b60923f3f524f5144693d9b89f00 v. important changes < 1373561447 119918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It's MATLAB's matrix multiplication algorithm, I'm sure it has all the good things and none of the bad things; I mean, MATLAB. It's got MAT right in the name. < 1373561453 893042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only benefit I would have from 16GB would be more filesystem cache < 1373561474 714666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how quickly n+1 browser tabs can eat up 8 GB < 1373561475 475574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you need matrices that big for < 1373561491 98576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: those both look more like removing code to me < 1373561491 634797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rodina MAT < 1373561496 920341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes isn't it great < 1373561500 408747 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373561502 626597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked if you added any! < 1373561511 9926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373561511 875051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that the "brand" of the holes? < 1373561514 103535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go write some hacks to handle awful CSS edge-cases < 1373561531 360185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Officially it's a "Kensington Security Slot", I think. < 1373561531 566174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never seen a Kensington lock, I only ever seen other brands that fit the same hole. < 1373561554 948868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Address pcwalton's comments" "Address pcwalton's nits" wow pcwalton, give em a break < 1373561566 401889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen the holes. Well, I guess I've seen a couple of locks at stores and so on, don't know which brand. < 1373561585 152425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, we have locks at work. < 1373561658 451201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some no-name brand lock I believe. Not that we need it. Just a general company laptop security policy. < 1373561689 915744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, you know... so many things are en-squared. If you have a 30k-dimensional vectors and ask for something that wants to make a covariance matrix, that's 30000 x 30000 = 900 million 8-byte floats = 6.7 gigs right there. < 1373561781 512113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering where you need 30k-dimensional vectors < 1373561804 692513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns live in a 30k-dimensional universe < 1373561814 746276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how fizzie plans his commute < 1373561823 411689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be very confusing < 1373561881 953964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: At least you don't have to calculate a 30k x 30k x 30k tensor, then you'd never have enough RAM =P < 1373561922 458103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Activation vectors for a 30k-element dictionary of atoms hth < 1373562057 800254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Also sometimes you have 30k 39-dimensional vectors and accidentally give it to the function transposed, because half the functions expect observations in column vectors and other half in row vectors. (The truth comes out.) < 1373562088 721238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, you're doing a physics simulation? < 1373562098 869101 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that explains everything < 1373562104 575144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's ok to admit finns live in a bizarre and disorienting world, incomprehensible to all outsiders. < 1373562107 554976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we already know that < 1373562123 697570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know all those dimensions from string theory? Yeah, they've all curled up in Finland. < 1373562169 4597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't really do physics simulations, I just like to refer to audio frames as "observations".) < 1373562525 711237 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 30000 x 30000 matrices for audio? Just what are you doing? < 1373563214 77188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I mentioned, activations for a 30k element dictionary of "exemplars". < 1373563236 535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a source separation thingie based on a NMF decomposition. < 1373563839 188403 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373563946 999903 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373563947 241705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1373563972 452743 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373564001 978651 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373564053 573419 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373564576 23870 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373565785 649404 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I went to bed at a reasonable time, but only properly woke up just now < 1373565806 835027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1373565811 699131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you improperly wake up before that? < 1373565829 268145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly enough elliott just went to sleep < 1373565857 343237 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1373565876 505442 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I had increasingly weird REM half-sleeps < 1373565891 384588 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suppose it's not like I was getting actual rest out of that < 1373566304 670697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Have you installed a small spy camera in elliott's room? (Clearly the most likely conclusion.) < 1373566470 36403 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam's razor suggests that assuming it's small is superfluous < 1373566476 217151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking with him -_- < 1373566508 32080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's just a cover story. < 1373566551 383678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a cutiepants okay I can't help it < 1373566741 78632 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373566811 601873 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373567216 515281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricked again by /bin/sh -> /bin/dash < 1373567530 163329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static THROBBER: [char, ..8] = [ '⣾', '⣽', '⣻', '⢿', '⡿', '⣟', '⣯', '⣷' ]; < 1373567662 546996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize where those characters are from but it should have been obvious really < 1373568112 824816 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet blind people get totally confused when reading the output from that software. < 1373568219 34127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it looks fancy as anything, though. < 1373568230 253134 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fancy devices that do dynamic embossing, but that seems no harder to do with plain letters. < 1373568298 300496 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who use Braille likely know ASCII better than any of us not from the punchcard era < 1373568300 982622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what *is* that from? Isn't Braille just three rows? < 1373568322 621146 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :super cool extended braille isn't < 1373568369 987699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. < 1373568685 361170 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text [chr $ ord '⣟' Data.Bits..&. ord '⣾'] < 1373568686 436994 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⣞ < 1373568688 613542 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1373568739 402382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Debian installer has lots of support for braille ttys, also for speech synthesis of the menus < 1373568742 358449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool < 1373568857 728167 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373569141 934071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text [chr $ ord '⣟' `xor` ord '⣾'] -- less cute < 1373569143 10579 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ! < 1373569157 126455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should've put that stuff right at the beginning of Unicode, for cuteness. < 1373569233 651600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blind superiority < 1373569243 289787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text [chr $ ord '⠀' + (ord '⣟' `xor` ord '⣾')] -- magic space fix < 1373569244 354553 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠡ < 1373569380 527266 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam is just crawling today :/ < 1373569394 591406 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backend... so unresponsive.... < 1373569396 464769 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373569409 446407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text ['⠀'..'⣿'] < 1373569410 250444 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠁⠂⠃⠄⠅⠆⠇⠈⠉⠊⠋⠌⠍⠎⠏⠐⠑⠒⠓⠔⠕⠖⠗⠘... < 1373569414 401223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww. < 1373569430 474618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: You could've done a little more than that. < 1373569431 814725 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t text < 1373569432 619059 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc < 1373569436 469183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we should use these as a text transport for binary data < 1373569443 203667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['⠀'..'⣿'] < 1373569444 543082 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\10240\10241\10242\10243\10244\10245\10246\10247\10248\10249\10250\10251\1... < 1373569448 565058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much better. < 1373569452 336598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits each right? < 1373569454 782381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The multiline query version looked nice.) < 1373569462 606218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are some combos verboten < 1373569473 792608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw today is free slurpee day at 7-Eleven < 1373569476 794475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only in the USA < 1373569490 869140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, there's quite a few Braille variants, esp. concerning the 8-cell versions. < 1373569498 626868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Unicode has the whole set of symbols. < 1373569502 46469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason: date +%m-%d < 1373569547 45959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never forget, 7/11. < 1373569590 907646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no 7-Elevens in Finland. < 1373569622 58350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are some in Denmark, Norway and Sweden, which I don't think is entirely fair.) < 1373569682 270202 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373569718 601362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373569796 236350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, the Steam Summer Sale. So that's why everyone's[weasel words][dubious - discuss] talking about Steam, and it's down. < 1373569830 94723 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to Discussion:Fizzie
< 1373569850 632192 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, Talk:Fizzie. it's been a while. < 1373569855 247758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Tal... right < 1373569887 662978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even mentioned at Talk:Bath bomb, and Talk:Bath fizzie is a redlink. :/ < 1373569909 455567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ "Wave 4" was released in August 2005, and it included Bertie, Purkle, Spangle, Dilly, Skinker, and Fizzie. ]] < 1373569917 30492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In good company, I'd say? < 1373569922 659205 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :redirect talk pages are unloved < 1373569938 988596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "Bath fizzie" isn't a redirect. < 1373569950 938403 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there was some mess with exchanging articles, redirects, and disambiguation pages, and the talk pages went along for the ride < 1373569958 356753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a really kinda weird article instead, and completely different than the Bath bomb one. < 1373569977 456579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think perhaps written by a chemist, or something. < 1373569982 663579 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373570010 720163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- designed to effervesce in personal bath water -- amorphous grains of homogeneous mixture -- solid boluses of homogeneous or inhomogeneous mixture -- ingredients must include one or more acid(s) and one or more water-soluble bicarbonate, sesquicarbonate, and/or carbonate -- other water-soluble, water-dispersible, and/or volatile ingredients --" < 1373570013 938190 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. slap a merge tag on it, or something. < 1373570030 831134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, me, edit Wikipedia? I'm not one of those guys. < 1373570040 164992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /used/ to be one of those guys < 1373570064 497897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that: In principle a fizzie could release phosphoric anhydride gas, but the release of gas from phosphate salts is so slow that any phosphates present in either beverage or bath fizzies are for other purposes. < 1373570095 297270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, I only release phosphoric anhydride gas after very specific meals. < 1373570132 284530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also gratuitous use of bold.) < 1373570146 949786 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it you who releases it or intestinal bacteria? < 1373570154 195068 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, both? < 1373570217 230091 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373570545 939167 :mtve-!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571058 658366 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571061 32703 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571061 238409 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571061 238620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571458 902009 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571549 815918 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571550 21803 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373571664 542465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, a full screen installer with a blue gradient background. This is old! < 1373571672 861433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they ever do that btw? < 1373571686 71537 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571686 277348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571813 352016 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373571897 421172 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322255 < 1373571971 118045 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373572073 585966 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373572131 587208 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373572131 792716 :tswett_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1373572360 243012 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgykrscmvaumwbes QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373572362 46787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373572364 397542 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373572364 918037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, heh < 1373572431 788454 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/media/rm465020160/tt2724064?ref_=butt < 1373572698 644912 :tswett_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NICK :tswett < 1373573512 957457 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ref_=what? < 1373573551 587548 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I wonder if all you wonderful people can help me with a problem I'm facing. < 1373573561 288269 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1373573564 61629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to store a directed acyclic graph in a database. < 1373573601 474579 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I try to add a new edge to the graph, I first look up all paths that would create a cycle with that edge. < 1373573610 895057 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that I have a table containing all paths. < 1373573636 901204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The table has three columns: "head", which is the first edge in the graph; "last", which is the last; and "tail", which is a reference to the tail of the path. < 1373573686 468990 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the path table forms a tree. < 1373573761 448459 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I add a new edge, I need to add new paths containing that edge. But I can't figure out a good way to do that. < 1373573768 698771 :oerjan_!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373573896 950205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all paths? isn't that an exponential number? < 1373573911 828753 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially. < 1373573923 41044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesh, that sounds painful < 1373573926 793564 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the algorithm is reasonably straightforward, now that I think of it. < 1373573932 279062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373573943 357597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be better to have some storage method that doesn't involve exponential space <.< < 1373573946 344578 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with a list of all relevant paths already in the database, then just recursively extend them backwards. < 1373573951 705922 :oerjan_!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1373573955 723118 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If performance gets to be an issue, I'll rethink stuff. < 1373574070 36559 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone spoke to me in privmsg in about the last 2 hours, my nick has been a ghost < 1373574092 485114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you look for paths that would create a cycle just to throw an error if you find one, or for some other reason? < 1373574104 61077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want to know "would this new edge form a cycle" then there are simpler data structures you can use < 1373574133 715845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: for some other reason. I need to do something with every edge in the cycle. < 1373574138 840132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373574149 201396 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then delete one of the edges. < 1373574244 624616 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't hpaste.org alive any more? < 1373574282 502015 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might it not be a little less exponential to like, store the results of an all-pairs shortest path thing? < 1373574290 57643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's N^2 if you do it the dynamic programmy way < 1373574310 46869 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1373574317 838094 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1373574318 44059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1373574357 808317 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well, adding a single edge could create exponentially many cycles, and I could potentially want to operate on all of them. < 1373574401 696923 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whatever method I use needs to be able to tell me about all of those cycles. < 1373574434 430659 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but like, you can have exponentially many *paths* without having exponentially many cycles < 1373574466 881080 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... huh ... < 1373574477 261019 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exponential in what < 1373574478 868252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you distinguish different cycles? like what counts as two different cycles < 1373574512 136993 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :made up of different vertices? < 1373574518 360560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if A->B, B->C, B->D, C->A, and D->A, is A->B->C->A and A->B->D->A two different cycles? < 1373574537 305778 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think so... < 1373574574 584941 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't they be? < 1373574665 970877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually um. that's a question if you have a directed acyclic graph with V vertices and E edges, what's the maximum number of cycles adding an edge could create... < 1373574741 92698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it should be maximized by adding the final mossing edge to make a complete graph < 1373574745 425396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*missing < 1373574773 52078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(complete in both directions) < 1373574870 222845 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373574964 980938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could such a graph have no cycles? < 1373574992 960172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/BbPmpQi.png here's an example I was thinking of... I guess this example does create an exponential number of cycles < 1373574993 491540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1373574995 998547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1373575000 668833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(red is the new edge) < 1373575017 659066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the number of vertex in the diamond gets larger, I think the number of cycles approaches 2^V? < 1373575026 292339 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like, there's a branching factor of 2 < 1373575054 359430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(V/2) < 1373575075 222401 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more < 1373575100 306724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people who were working on problems of graphs like this < 1373575185 962711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the branching factor is 2 for the bottom half, but maybe no be on the top half. the actual number of paths is given by a nice recurrence relation i think < 1373575242 745816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/7048 < 1373575252 171130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the recurrence relation will involve a two times something n-1. < 1373575405 854839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Intuitively speaking, the paths after going left first + the paths after going right first, which look like they'd be smaller semi-diamond-like graphs.) < 1373575502 557973 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sleep soon < 1373575510 175613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste is down :/ < 1373575514 800333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to link some amusing things from there < 1373575567 758791 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lpaste < 1373575592 467477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://lpaste.net/ < 1373575596 800305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#paths(n) = f(n,n) where f(n,m) = f(n-1,m) + f(m,n-1); add some base cases and solve; and the n in #paths(n) is sqrt(V). Or some-such.) < 1373575623 554038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Does lpaste have hpaste pastes? < 1373575632 440486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think so < 1373575637 648211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Fancy. < 1373575669 696697 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/1 dated 2008 < 1373575706 408136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it actually is hpaste < 1373575712 340109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just with a different name and domain < 1373575794 740719 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373575870 373564 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373575915 494885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A000984 is the number of paths for a diamond with edge size (number of vertices) of n, I think. (I might have gotten that all wrong.) < 1373575991 141996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments seem to bear it out. E.g. "Number of possible values of a 2*n bit binary number for which half the bits are on" aka "number of ways you can take left and right paths to end up at the top of the diamond". < 1373576068 198642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The number of lattice paths from (0,0) to (n,n) using steps (1,0) and (0,1)" is even closer.) < 1373576244 604780 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that exactly the same < 1373576265 47492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're comments for the same sequence, of course they're exactly the same. < 1373576288 682920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant "closer to Fiora's Diamond™". < 1373576340 451586 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the number of lattice paths is the same as paths in the diamond < 1373576365 367848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1373576379 475585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it was supposed to be, too. < 1373576780 704144 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just chop off the top half of the diamond and have everything connect to one top point < 1373576962 662739 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373576998 228839 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373577295 923266 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373577365 155855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be, what, 2^n paths, with V = n*(1+n)/2? < 1373577488 778464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess +1 for the star at the top.) < 1373577630 341957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hpaste is up, it's just the domain. < 1373577632 215021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where paste < 1373577632 421088 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.tryhaskell.org/new/haskell < 1373577664 108149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lpaste is the same thing now. < 1373577756 789422 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Fiora's diamond < 1373577759 277356 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm) < 1373577855 115747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the formula guys < 1373577865 805873 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A000984 < 1373577873 338526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for the nxn diamond < 1373577912 483583 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad to see fizzie figured out the same recurrence i did while i was in the shower :D < 1373577939 758525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found the same sequenc < 1373577946 838158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay being late to the party < 1373578001 756562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott decide on a laptop < 1373578012 303547 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's asleep right now, I think < 1373578013 648028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373578144 161634 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373578184 715623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of direct routes from my home to Granny's when < 1373578184 921508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granny lives n blocks south and n blocks east of my home < 1373578184 921703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Grid City. To obtain a direct route, from the 2n < 1373578184 921790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocks, choose n blocks on which one travels south. For < 1373578185 522028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's just what he wants us to think? < 1373578186 899513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :example, a(2)=6 because there are 6 direct routes < 1373578196 389396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had thought of that solution < 1373578206 611992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez it's so obvious in retrospect < 1373578371 740544 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373578417 427064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding Granny: so easy, a pushdown automaton could do it. < 1373578472 242271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what sort of space you get if you add diagonal paths < 1373578508 378021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal to the southeast? < 1373578530 238198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Just in general < 1373578535 865654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it wouldn't be taxicab space anymore < 1373578540 202686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recurrence gets much uglier < 1373578568 732366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the southeast? Isn't that just +f(n-1,m-1)? < 1373578733 145771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A001850 and so on. < 1373579484 547407 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373579520 240902 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373579733 625711 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373579749 667068 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yycmulcjvmupyqsi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373579772 944753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The general taxicab-with-diagonals distance is called Chebyshev distance, or chessboard distance (king moves), or maximum metric (from D(a,b) = max_i |a_i - b_i|), or probably by some further names.) < 1373579959 402267 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1373580099 2143 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks fizzie < 1373580122 285495 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373580132 380643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember looking at it earlier but I forgot about it < 1373580222 571355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems Chebyshev and Taxicab metrics are duals of each other or something < 1373580262 29622 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373580312 311155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungohno < 1373580330 654912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungone < 1373580384 974539 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373580390 602250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungoback < 1373580561 792879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one cool thing in Rust is that you can put debug print statements all over your code, and then enable them at runtime with an env var < 1373580574 958809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do this on a per-module basis, without needing to reiterate the name of the module on each print statement < 1373580589 823224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a lot of languages should have this, but I don't think I've seen it before < 1373580628 608024 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So it's like assert in C but for printing? < 1373580660 755616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a debug print statement, haven't you seen those before < 1373580693 287748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: kmc's point is that they are always in the code, but only turn on when compiling with debugging < 1373580695 163466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ones where you leave them in and then you say "enable debug printing for module foo:bar" at runtime < 1373580701 407974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no do pay attention please < 1373580707 613291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> enable them at runtime with an env var < 1373580708 947557 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `enable'Not in scope: `them'Not in scope: `runtime'Not in sco... < 1373580711 361538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1373580714 607692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, runtime ones < 1373580718 398169 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get for 4chanquoting. < 1373580733 519850 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That quote style is much older than 4chan < 1373580733 789855 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These pens are not for everyone. They are pens that are for people that appreciate quality and are willing to spend a little extra on having something that is fairly unique. EiMIM stands for Everything in Moderation, Including Moderation. Most of the time I try to keep things as simple as possible, but every once in a while I need to embrace indulgence. Will a $2 pen write? Absolutely. The thing is, there is no soul in that pen. It was ... < 1373580740 69173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... produced with a million other pens exactly like it. These pens are different. < 1373580749 786382 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yks is amazing xD < 1373580759 204089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen lots of logging systems but usually you're required to name some "logger" on each print statement and that's what you can enable/disable < 1373580770 266166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than it being implicitly controlled by the current module < 1373580780 554881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some of fancy C 'dprintf' macros (or whatnot) do enablation based on __FILE__ or top-of-source-file "MODULE" macro. < 1373580781 880061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'd say to that person, "If you like pens so much, make them" < 1373580789 521759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: #define log(s) real_log(__FILE__, s)? < 1373580789 789631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's cool < 1373580811 662267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fizzie said that. < 1373580849 568232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also __VA_ARGS__ so you can be all format string. < 1373580872 63662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373581018 128205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373581079 136071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373581129 652561 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/728/934/bf0f707a2fbf5f442603d2a948ac8761_large.png?1373294172 < 1373581206 32532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh they are making them. they are in-deed. < 1373581235 554920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Is Amazon Aws where they serve all the kitten pictures from? < 1373581269 624817 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373581328 129940 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, why... < 1373581370 851220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh did you see the table i think it's pretty clear. < 1373581439 32006 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the titanium 5 being used for < 1373581548 991857 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eimim/eimim-x-y-and-z-pens1 here < 1373581563 550303 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373581571 5898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's gone wrong, Bike < 1373581574 762195 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's gone wrong < 1373581601 511801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and that thing is not enough craftsmanship < 1373581609 893229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the extra 1 at the end < 1373581615 87028 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i take it that these pens are A Bad Thing < 1373581618 573644 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/mos-def-force-fed-guantanamo-bay-video < 1373581701 42703 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eimim/eimim-x-y-and-z-pens < 1373581715 964530 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the x, y and z indicate < 1373581721 364464 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck his oxford commas < 1373581725 900735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's a better chart at http://www.sourcereal.com/ < 1373581741 460148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1373581743 949816 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in png form though!! < 1373581751 641327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have a copper pen < 1373581766 640922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, print it out and photograph it if you want a png. < 1373581798 35347 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373581799 106903 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use a png for a photograph < 1373581807 733028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: To waste bytes < 1373581813 640479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, pens for insufferable people < 1373581831 596183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungone 2: fungone harder < 1373581834 609797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because it's a photograph of text < 1373581896 355796 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the 'seamless design' is accomplished by cutting grooves all the way up the pen to make it hard to see the seam with the cap < 1373581904 240691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373581915 577881 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I use the strongest permanent neodymium magnets available. They provide a unique and innovative method of attaching the cap to the back of the pen during use." < 1373581935 677609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1373581937 858017 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are, er, calling the use of magnets to stick things together innovative < 1373581949 68907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah bitch! magnets!" < 1373581958 183788 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongest possible neodymium magnets < 1373581962 659595 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to be fair i don't think i've ever seen that in pens. < 1373581967 596917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cap isn't coming back off < 1373581972 526235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pen would be a hazard < 1373582000 26392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, probably because for, say, any kind of practical pen design it wouldn't really work < 1373582008 717900 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a h8r. < 1373582135 309065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNxhYdWEZHk < 1373582152 748436 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything that's MORE INNOVATIVE < 1373582182 109745 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha this is so dorky. < 1373582196 859708 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :patented magnetic engineering physics. < 1373582241 743570 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this seriously $30 for two pens. < 1373582257 136293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the end they're still shitty biros < 1373582274 142971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com/post/46417947427/hey-congrats-on-inventing-the-bowl-the-cookie < 1373582284 504680 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :High milk displacement dunk technology. < 1373582308 96858 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is taking the piss right < 1373582337 407597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, $7,734 was donated (though it wasn't funded, so) < 1373582351 491651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, they're probably writing it in a jokey tone < 1373582365 198357 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1339254269/ron-paul-road-to-revolution < 1373582365 730803 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a smokescreen over the fact that this is bullshit < 1373582366 806594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373582369 218318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got funded? < 1373582372 973527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron paul is a classic. < 1373582385 345273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it... a joke? was it funded as a joke? < 1373582387 529788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's the game, right? i don't think it's been made yet < 1373582412 67768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it a blatant scam or something < 1373582412 604046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that the thing where like the guy ended up admitting he had no idea how to make a game? < 1373582425 267711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373582428 19892 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just kinda died < 1373582436 156879 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, here's the problem: that finger extending, fist jamming, glass tilting lean to stretch for a dunk in those last few ounces of milk. It's an awful scenario. Best case? A partial dunk. Worst case? Milk spillage or you drop the cookie in and fish it out with a fork. < 1373582458 813589 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/438/812/28ef07a4bfb36e7852b766519f2f734e_large.png?1363050910 < 1373582475 433711 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cookies are you dunking for god's sake < 1373582525 730864 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this part of the new face of American Manufacturing? < 1373582528 142798 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! This is about how a small business, with a 3d printer in the back room (we don't even have a garage!), can iterate and develop an idea and then use Kickstarter to raise funds for production tooling. We work with local companies because ethically we think it's the right thing to do and it makes the most sense for a small company to manage the logistics. Our injection molder, packaging printer, assembly facility, warehouse, and order fulfi < 1373582550 748113 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that thing reminds me of those glasses that are supposedly modelled on a breast or something < 1373582559 335667 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort. < 1373582592 40374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373582689 604589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourkickstartersucks is the greatest < 1373582765 680865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373582767 288331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373582780 291732 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so that eimim pen thing < 1373582799 863304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the potential refills listed are the ones for fisher space pens < 1373582827 919148 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, fisher space pen refills are a complete ink + nib assembly < 1373582849 344208 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's not just charging $55 for a ballpoint pen, he's charging $55 for a ballpoint pen casing < 1373582935 837088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look if you buy expensive things then you're just flaunting wealth but if you buy expensive "minimalist" things then you can somehow pretend that it's morally justified and makes you better on an aesthetic plane as well < 1373582963 441581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway as usual: a pen that does what I want is minimal, a pen that does what you want is bloated < 1373583000 594669 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are you... insinuating that buying expensive things isn't morally justified) < 1373583023 472201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that all Disney movies have Mickey Mouse in them, but does that include Pixar? < 1373583053 585870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/aural.html < 1373583058 32992 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't believe all that you read! < 1373583071 832274 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean hidden mickeys? < 1373583085 921214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes < 1373583095 155802 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't pixar have those < 1373583119 276424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sometimes found Mickey Mouse in some Disney movies I have seen, without being told about it before, but mostly I haven't done so. < 1373583149 13691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know. I haven't seen it in any Pixar movies. < 1373583157 545579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But maybe I just didn't notice it) < 1373583188 334572 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, this is brilliant < 1373583197 843413 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't know if it's a joke but it's brilliant either way < 1373583270 969305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/std/local_data.html weird module imo < 1373583408 567488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers-forum/682220-memejacker-limited-reopening-popular-demand-rave-reviews-fastest-results-i-have-seen.html finally, i can make my own website. < 1373583480 537308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't jack my memes < 1373583632 392170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me a while to begin realizing that might not actually be a joke. < 1373583904 353144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality < 1373583914 419761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these statistics are starting to immensely confuse me < 1373583942 576589 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean according to these statistics the poorest ten percent of the bolivian population earn more than the richest 10%, afaict < 1373584018 587550 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says 93.9, so that's 93.9 times more for the richest 10% than the poorest 10% < 1373584030 990499 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, sort by CIA R/P 10% < 1373584045 308816 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still positive. < 1373584059 558870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, but it's a ratio < 1373584066 256987 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the average income of a member of the top 10% is 93.9 or 157.3 times the average income of a member of the bottom 10%. < 1373584081 701684 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, over one i meant, yeah, not positive. < 1373584084 110459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1373584096 938825 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers aren't percentages < 1373584100 571242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah < 1373584102 185173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, no. < 1373584108 188555 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1373584124 956065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think the top 10% of the UK earn a tenth of what the bottom 10% do ;) < 1373584126 137409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the numbers make a lot more sense now < 1373584151 170085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gini is a percentage, though. < 1373584167 629266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it's all that great as a metric but that's another matter) < 1373584338 88537 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think i was thinking it was p/r in percent) < 1373584416 729421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah having % in the column title desn't help < 1373584437 702066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com/post/47199723497/a-set-of-wooden-apple-keyboard-replacement-keys < 1373584445 66086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read this as 'tactical keys' < 1373584450 765299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was confusing and awesome < 1373584487 926148 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what would tactical keys be like? < 1373584513 681073 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sur < 1373584514 484902 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1373584543 73741 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they'd have little scopes fitted to them? < 1373584555 21001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...I could totally see one of them under my iMac screen, sat on my chipped old marble-topped desk" -WIRED < 1373584577 925143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wired.txt < 1373584595 156238 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh this thing is so ugly < 1373584605 795048 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't those basically just pieces of wood, made sticky on one side, and cut to match the keys? < 1373584612 321093 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373584616 913725 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1373584623 350635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine they'd be horrible to use < 1373584638 530472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a tactile experience < 1373584684 58284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every set of Engrain Keys has it's own inherent beauty and natural tactility, turning your keyboard into an individualized work of art that will compliment your desktop, and engage your senses every time you type. < 1373584718 315221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Engrain Keys are not recommended for installation on laptops, as the clearance is inadequate when closed and could result in scratching the screen. < 1373584736 32683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1373584773 621206 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The idea for the Engrain Tactile Keys originally spawned from my graduate thesis work " must not stereotype must not stereotype < 1373584792 497036 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/378/842/d09309f192b8847a72846f77ef5d0cf8_large.jpg?1360358317 aghaghagh < 1373584808 61359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1373584838 780019 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like typing on lays < 1373584850 574112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they're actually cut to the grain of the wood or if they just cut some template onto it < 1373584853 528893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder which is worse < 1373584881 20427 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like they just cut holes in a plank < 1373584886 456033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the rest of the plank with the keys < 1373584909 366902 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but planks tend to be flat < 1373584929 896157 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i imagine it's very hard to get any other kind of plank < 1373584953 622207 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not flat it's not a plank it's just part of a tree < 1373585185 103450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373585267 907024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: when I went camping someone else had this amazingly comfortable foam mat made of fancy foam with circular holes cut in it... they told me that there's a company selling earplugs to the military and they sell the leftover sheets of foam as camping mats < 1373585272 547493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was super impressed < 1373585303 280230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373585326 119033 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've heard other stories about industrial processes like that < 1373585476 171697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → afk
< 1373586332 212687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Terminal_Event_Management_Policy < 1373586363 856641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/early/2013/06/27/jeb.087809 < 1373586367 137523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still good < 1373586380 785813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah that's been going around < 1373586387 833317 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking crazy far as i'm concerned < 1373586412 584964 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should actually read the paper, the news i've seen is a bit ambiguous < 1373586421 313488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about needing a refresher training session after the decaptation < 1373586441 148731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(man jeb has the coolest papers) < 1373586569 248374 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good: i've been to campus twice, haven't paid tuition yet, aand have still gotten dozens of papers from campus access. < 1373586959 703071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ...the paper has line numbers. i have never seen this before.