< 1373674344 949805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373674550 964957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373674573 817985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSP can be connected to a TV screen < 1373675448 137732 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper proving szemeredi's theorem is six pages long. i don't fucking believe this. < 1373675548 478814 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, this is just the fuckin proceeding < 1373675607 821115 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1373675612 683248 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1373675631 532605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: When are you going to `olist? < 1373675638 783045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't leave us at a cliffhanger like this! < 1373675739 24783 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real paper, well, that has a flowchart explaining it T_T < 1373676264 377364 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't figured out what slist and olist are < 1373676264 686342 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck update, order of the stick update < 1373676264 921769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist is Order of the Stick updates. < 1373676265 485220 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. whatevs. < 1373676265 782992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a regularly scheduled comic, hippies < 1373676266 334909 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hananomono.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/photo-2.jpg those were dark days, before tex < 1373676266 602076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (411) < 1373676266 808189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (411): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373676266 808380 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't like what I am not interested in"? something along those lines < 1373676267 870518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1373676340 229462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i can't tell whether they wrote "formulas" or "formulae" or "formulæ" with a pen < 1373676340 474034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta know these things :'( < 1373676676 4946 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shachaf < 1373676677 78035 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont < 1373676686 598270 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373676721 787554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy you just don't understand me < 1373677505 830586 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373677527 78587 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's turing's phd, you could probably figure out what soon enough. < 1373679337 292464 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still haven't figured out what slist and olist are < 1373679349 728018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very stupid and very Sgeo story < 1373679362 612535 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist is a homestuck update ping < 1373679402 789882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought the story would be more shachaf. < 1373679428 488979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thanks Bike < 1373679468 302573 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you're, like, the premier mover and shaker in the thriving list industry < 1373679560 707398 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i am underinformed on the shachaf element < 1373679603 689277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is one minute shachaf was fighting a bitter war to get his name off the list and the next he was spearheading the implementation of the new, slick, automated multilist system < 1373679609 939846 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1373679611 550478 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1373679630 483012 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love fgrep < 1373680816 223457 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373681112 559395 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373681269 498103 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373682227 74873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373682504 1354 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373683294 197670 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373683839 49258 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373686091 735322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your ideas relating to philosophy of mathematics? < 1373686121 307331 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"them's some crazy shit, alright" < 1373686160 686041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own belief is that mathematics is the real reality, not universe and physical object and stuff like that. < 1373686177 685079 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does being a real reality entail < 1373686180 941404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own belief is that my own belief is the real reality. < 1373686195 217249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm starting to think my own belief is biased. < 1373686196 19275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own belief is that zzo38's belief is the real reality < 1373686288 126630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, now you need "metareality" in order to describe that, and then you have to describe that by "metaphilosophy" (which is still philosophy), and then... well, you cannot do that! That is what "God" is! < 1373686310 680349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i god < 1373686317 450114 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck, that clears everything up < 1373686334 301168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If metaphilosophy is still philosophy, don't you get a paradox? < 1373686416 677836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy-in-philosophy < 1373686418 19588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, can i have some zzo38 wisdom < 1373686473 763996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. < 1373686519 820019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophy seems to be full of paradoxes anyways; that is why you make up things in order to try to resolve the paradox. < 1373686539 434433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :metamasturbation < 1373686547 455328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That's pretty good zzo38 wisdom. < 1373686556 224535 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird time to coincidentally be talking about philosophy elsewhere < 1373686601 105602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What elsewhere do you talk about philosophy? < 1373686640 865004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Maybe you should quote zzo38. < 1373686641 136399 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different irc channel. < 1373686675 498115 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not metaphysics, though. < 1373686678 176479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, 2 old < 1373686725 668308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should get a 7-character nick. < 1373686767 378829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have a 7-character nick in my account (although it isn't currently active). < 1373686793 714316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1373686843 335411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is "zzo38___" (I also have "zzo38__" and "zzo38_") < 1373686869 367605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of those isn't a character? < 1373686875 264257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the first _? < 1373686916 475592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :def __zzo38__(self): pass < 1373686957 70455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, the one that isn't a character is the quotation marks and everything outside of them. < 1373686976 767251 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "zzo38___" < 1373686977 838153 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1373687019 139694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zzo38__" is 7-characters though! < 1373687025 880486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all four! < 1373687029 464601 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1373687036 198273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo wins this round, shachaf. < 1373687070 31821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How many rounds are there? < 1373687081 907361 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1373687104 891141 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was round 4. zzo is ahead by one, as one round was a draw. < 1373687614 691874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Tegmark has made up "Mathematical Universe Hypothesis" and "Computable Universe Hypothesis". I think that the CUH is no good. < 1373687658 367507 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good? < 1373687795 18316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is no good. It doesn't have to computable. < 1373687855 344220 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you say that? < 1373687885 868205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have to have a single solution, or even any solution at all, or it might have multiple solutions. < 1373687920 828377 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373688052 163893 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373690305 585752 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373690776 680309 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373691317 875724 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obvious to me that the MUH and modal realism are not effectively the same thing. < 1373691373 320036 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a belief similar to modal realism, and I think mine is more factual and less nebulous: < 1373691402 503284 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is no particular reason to believe that any possible world is any more or less real than any other." < 1373691427 936314 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not quite true. I think a simpler world could be considered "more real" than a more complicated one on the grounds that it has a higher probability. < 1373691522 512321 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it now < 1373691578 732168 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes < 1373691716 326191 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1373691979 838442 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How what? < 1373692015 331320 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is simpler more probable < 1373692027 789105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam's razor, I guess. < 1373692062 512396 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, the idea that even if you don't know anything about A, B, and C, you have to give "A and B and C" a lower probability estimate than "A". < 1373692144 689030 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1373692289 364145 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you gave them both the same probability estimate, then, to be consistent, you'd have to give "B and C" a probability estimate of 1, or "A" a probability estimate of 0. < 1373692303 120505 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of which are undesirable, since you don't know what A, B, and C are. < 1373692326 166194 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what's this have to do with universes? < 1373692336 462791 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably picking a universe entails picking B or ¬B anyway. < 1373693857 540249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can pick both, somehow. < 1373694097 651304 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373694790 798643 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, good point. < 1373694817 210651 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine, though, that if A is true, then B and C are both meaningful, whereas if A is false, then B and C are meaningless, whereas D is meaningful. < 1373694867 768352 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1373694875 683552 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we assume that A, B, C, and D are all just as likely to be true as false, then "~A and D" and "~A and ~D" are more likely than "A and B and C" and "A and ~B and ~C" and so on. < 1373694922 759686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge assumption. especially given that by hypothesis they're not independent. < 1373694961 16863 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, what do probabilities even mean here? God rolling dice to see what universes exist? < 1373694977 349404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you read _Mathematics Made Difficult_? < 1373694987 879343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you would be good at several of the exercises. < 1373695001 905229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did not read. < 1373695027 784944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should read it! It's great. < 1373695057 700887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a bibliography, which Taneb would surely appreciate. < 1373695182 752098 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373695270 549368 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373695343 611577 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373696159 2611 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373696869 436373 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373697420 990108 :Wntrvnm!znc@xenomorph.exovenom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373697435 43394 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373697482 246094 :Wntrvnm!znc@xenomorph.exovenom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, since Nisstyre is in here, I'm gonna take that as a, "Yes." :P < 1373697495 256297 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, works for me < 1373697499 89431 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make a new esolang < 1373697513 673053 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too lazy to work it out though < 1373697725 814803 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1373697732 388422 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14Welcome 05to the internation07al hub for esoteric 12pro11gramming la09nguage design and12 depl12oym14e04nt04! Fo07r 02m11ore in07for10mation, c11heck out06 o11ur wiki: http://esolangs.org12/wiki/Main_Page. (F13or13 the o13ther04 kind of11 eso05te10rica02, tr02y #06esoteric on irc.dal.net.)11 < 1373697786 136906 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds eccentric. I love it! < 1373697894 889303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373698268 544644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373698388 660996 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is LoL or DotA 2 easier for newbies? < 1373698520 545840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly LoL; how is DotA 2 even a laugh < 1373699324 462938 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373699762 410707 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373700175 866005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb "art is anal pencil sharpenings" hth <-- tdnh, that was the obvious one. < 1373700176 109941 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373700220 302608 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if either is a good use of your time, though < 1373700228 607745 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoL is an anti-use of time maybe < 1373701414 228738 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373703386 837448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373703469 936910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1373704386 262563 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373705369 466220 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373705388 345204 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373706119 299729 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373708014 281337 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373708917 937830 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373708979 281781 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373708979 548489 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373710367 546271 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373710972 337469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373713667 589570 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__ < 1373715877 842679 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373716827 553681 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373716834 568222 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1373717715 916011 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373721917 920955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be off the list Phantom_Hoover? i only want pings for pbf. < 1373724419 183358 :Wntrvnm!znc@xenomorph.exovenom.net PART #esoteric :"-" < 1373728199 46626 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373728312 933442 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373729977 965203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373730480 190398 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373731358 110944 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373731385 717747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373733538 617643 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373733914 466088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373733976 936516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1373734529 636398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373734692 357864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1373734785 981834 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan < 1373735554 973118 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373735559 452065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1373735644 476431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373735725 612285 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373735745 884676 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Client Quit < 1373735993 520955 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373736223 422241 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, "good use of time"? < 1373736254 671424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both games, unless one or the other or both aren't actually fun, I don't see how they can be bad uses of time < 1373736275 576763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek daystar < 1373736318 424325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sics a puritan on Sgeo_
< 1373736388 709728 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373736510 225530 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373736790 98324 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373738327 47591 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373738799 578908 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you might increase your skill in the game, necessitating your decrease in other things < 1373738825 236431 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like your sense of empathy, or intolerance for toxicity in communities < 1373738827 648048 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know! < 1373739340 494904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sics a non-zero sum game theoretician on Gracenotes
< 1373739399 602349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote video game theory < 1373739405 549049 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :424) Game theory is not a perfect tool for analyzing video games. Nash failed to create a "video game theory" < 1373739746 785291 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to drop the ball, nash. < 1373740641 929332 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it might not be zero-sum, but the sum might not have massive margins either! < 1373740799 332434 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as massive as those other sums. omai. < 1373741024 871791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sum is provably at most A(G_64, G_64), although honestly we suspect it's less than 15 hth < 1373741096 860174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there should be some sort of competition to pose the question whose answer has the largest known bounds < 1373741100 877931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, difference between bounds < 1373741258 311138 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373741268 762912 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373741777 730055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of disappointed that the Planetside 2 launcher links to a Wikia < 1373741849 369901 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373741855 24439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, are both communities really that bad? < 1373741857 775099 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can i be off the list Phantom_Hoover? i only want pings for pbf. < 1373741859 383135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373741885 737481 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean < 1373741888 719117 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list ? < 1373741894 739161 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1373741910 624608 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your own fault for running `list in the first place < 1373742714 991535 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373743593 760698 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my point is you need to get it out of your head that you can make code (especially web apps) pefectly secure against code injection attacks" < 1373743695 648262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while that's kind of dumb, I do think focusing on making things "perfectly secure" is rarely worthwhile < 1373743867 766226 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :securer < 1373743879 65235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type systems make your code "perfectly secure" against memory corruption.... except for bugs in the typechecker, codegen, runtime system, explicitly unsafe code, unsafe libraries, kernel, processor, &c. < 1373743893 614811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having all that stuff in your trusted base is still a huge improvement against having all that stuff *plus* your application in the trusted base < 1373743906 603492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because core system stuff gets reused a lot < 1373743936 350605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo segfaults a lot, at present < 1373743937 693098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1373743981 34769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of compiler bugs? < 1373743983 175933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or unsafe code? < 1373744258 468955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the latter < 1373744290 84239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're interfacing to a bunch of C libraries, e.g. SpiderMonkey for JS < 1373744292 761126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo who builds a language for a single application and makes it insufficient to express that application without going beyond the language < 1373744303 822598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373744357 793237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could write a JS JIT in Rust, it would just be a huge project < 1373744377 700957 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bless me, father, for I have sinned. < 1373744378 547157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as we discussed earlier, the memory safety benefits are perhaps not that great < 1373744381 495845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1373744385 287443 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi kmc. < 1373744395 129981 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Gregor > 1373744395 716097 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373744396 333773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed < 1373744403 487002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373744407 502635 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've installed the Kindle app on a Nook. < 1373744409 578635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ways to make programs secure if you don't overcomplicate it; I have done so (I think; if you find any bugs please notify me). < 1373744418 970084 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain that there's a special place in hell for people who do that. < 1373744583 276067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I didn't know it is compatible. But, I suppose if it is, then of course it is possible to do such thing. < 1373744597 352121 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, it works great. < 1373744800 798536 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the torrent I'm downloading has peers, oh it does < 1373744830 817748 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's... one peer < 1373744873 464581 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: iz okay. LoL is well-known for being not great, which is partly a consequence of some of the properties of the game itself < 1373744875 683163 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unpopular games shouldn't be distributed through BitTorrent < 1373744892 974254 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, LoL or LoL's community is well-known for being not great? < 1373744894 583868 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :F2P being the main one, long-running sessions being another < 1373744912 979582 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are DotA 2 sessions longer or shorter than LoL sessions? < 1373744944 310896 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a reasonably deep game by itself, but my understanding is that a match's outcome may have been decided, essentially, even 20-30 minutes before the win condition is reached. < 1373744961 304546 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because it's a team game, there's no prudent resignation like in Go or Starcraft. < 1373745001 470532 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say much about DotA 2, but also my understanding is that it has some more desirable properties in the metagame. < 1373745086 433537 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still *a* community, and one with good corners and bad corners. < 1373745092 670669 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the case of LoL) < 1373745118 338769 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, yeah, it's probably not a good thing when pro players think nothing of DDOSing opponents. < 1373745154 564930 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, as this was a few years ago, get subsequently as hellbanned as you can get, hopefully deterring that from happening nowadays... hopefully) < 1373745179 762514 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shortage of drama, which is a good (?) thing < 1373745232 823842 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do so many games seem so horrible with SLI? < 1373745360 437259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: remove me from your mailing list immediately. i know my rights! < 1373745384 496677 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not sgeo's. it's the people's list < 1373745415 989984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who brought sgeo into this? < 1373745862 554868 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forum.notebookreview.com/ideapad-essential/718852-y500-sli-valve-source-game-engine-stuttering-fix.html < 1373745901 108729 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SLI? < 1373745923 515863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using two or more nVidia graphics cards together to... I don't know how it works < 1373745934 740466 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crossfire is the ATI equiv < 1373746020 726590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to stand for "Scan-Line Interleave" meaning one card does even-numbered lines and one does odd-numbered lines :) < 1373746023 978852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how it works anymore < 1373746445 989881 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Talking to someone I know who works in Nvidia, the problem with SLI on Source games lies not on the Nvidia driver but the Source engine. Valve has to fix it." < 1373746448 939177 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1373746472 19364 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have non-Source games with the same issue, doubt they're just going to get fixed when Valve fixes Source < 1373746566 946736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a hardcore PC gamer Sgeo_ < 1373746677 714978 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to be < 1373746694 995411 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373747011 115339 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote are you a hardcore PC gamer Sgeo_ Want to be < 1373747015 134140 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1072) are you a hardcore PC gamer Sgeo_ Want to be < 1373748109 852392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the most unusual donaim specific programming languages? < 1373748240 339855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :define unusual < 1373748275 647488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/donaim/domain/ < 1373748283 688983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't really know. < 1373748305 291480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you familiar with the game "cyvasse" < 1373748326 167911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. < 1373748333 716179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if some of the things at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages might count. < 1373748401 912385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded of bancstar
< 1373748480 908273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "cyvasse" is a board game, but not anything else. < 1373748739 448433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of various domain specific programming languages, but I don't know what would be the most unusual ones. < 1373748867 474969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1373749049 563440 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373749054 587412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gameofcyvasse.com/ < 1373749066 207628 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373749347 799904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things about DSL are found at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DomainSpecificLanguage and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LittleLanguage < 1373749616 543788 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I realized what Daft Punk's Get Lucky reminds me of. The musical Grease. At least until the voice modulating bits. < 1373749675 388067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such things are mentioned such as dc, AWK, SQL, TeX. I happen to think these are all pretty good for what they are doing. < 1373749678 231755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't see how it could remind you of any part of grease < 1373749683 328474 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373749804 77609 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less brass, but similar guitar riffs, chord sequences, lyrical content. < 1373749815 219988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may then even consider PostScript, vi, regular expressions, C preprocessor, sendmail, nroff, and possibly even MML and FurryScript. Maybe EXPLOR counts too, and maybe a few other things in esolang wiki (please specify, if you know?). < 1373749840 380640 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the hook "We've come too far", very much like the title song < 1373749848 10640 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373749926 121334 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly of the music geneology to invoke, but both are vaguely disco-ish. < 1373749938 188808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps make a list of DSL and of how unusual they are, as well as other thing such as the computation class, etc < 1373750857 889166 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first paragraph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart < 1373751595 669445 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SLI will shut off when you use windowed mode, even borderless windowed mode will shutoff SLI." < 1373751597 810096 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1373751823 528907 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, it works in windowed mode. You may or may not lose performance depending on the game. < 1373751823 796688 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373751827 50190 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm confused < 1373752034 675703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming languages have list variables but no scalar variables? < 1373752064 83392 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP or Fortran, maybe? < 1373752110 822558 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1373752133 144069 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mission accomplished < 1373752147 772413 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i've been missioned < 1373752310 829770 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has a partial example: It has strings, which act like lists of characters, but no characters: A character is just a string with 1 character. < 1373752406 441487 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Portal 2 user-made map has non-euclidean geometry (besides Portals I mean) < 1373752430 637041 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not really used to confuse the player, just ... to aid in something < 1373752436 1148 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a partial example: it has integers, which act like sequences of bits, but no bits: a bit is just an integer with one bit < 1373752490 483071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in a room, with beach outside, walk outside of it and the beach was just painted on posters outside the room. But inside, the beach looks and has parallex like real 3d < 1373752510 524399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has bitfields, doesn't it? < 1373752545 180306 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being silly < 1373753343 421854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I mean variables, not types of values, though. < 1373753415 660639 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373753421 556086 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that C mandates any particular representation of bitfields though. < 1373753456 849344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it specifying a certain number of bits only dictates the set of valid values the variable in the struct may take on. < 1373753458 796620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the latest versions of GHC support making classes of classes of classes, including class families? < 1373753462 280903 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at pikhq_
< 1373753488 225593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, any decent compiler would just do the obvious thing. < 1373755149 413689 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373755574 469268 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373755684 159235 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373756087 559455 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1373756327 637979 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373756492 526441 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373757753 834748 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373758296 567533 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373758408 316592 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373758992 628339 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373759320 872789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have overlapping words in a "Fwords table" such as "hello" and "lost" and then I want to pack "whellolosticks" for example, let's say I have a cost for each entry in the table too, what is an algorithm to replace sequences of characters with the references so that it lower the encoded space? (The cost of a reference is fixed and is always 2.)