00:21:26 `run python 00:21:51 `ls 00:21:53 bi \ bin \ canary \ delvs \ delvs-master \ etc \ factor \ hi-bool.bf \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ master.tar.gz \ multiply.bf \ no \ paste \ pref \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom 00:21:57 Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct 13 2010, 20:26:16) \ [GCC 4.4.4] on linux2 \ Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. \ >>> 00:23:00 `run echo "print 'hello'[0][0][0][0][0][0]" | python - 00:23:02 h 00:25:53 Changing hash values affects the order in which keys are retrieved from a dict. Although Python has never made guarantees about this ordering (and it typically varies between 32-bit and 64-bit builds), enough real-world code implicitly relies on this non-guaranteed behavior that the randomization is disabled by default. 00:25:59 * Sgeo_ facepalms 00:26:12 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 00:28:07 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:29:20 -!- Frooxius has joined. 00:51:12 Writing real-world code to implicitly depend on a pseudorandom ordering is definitely an impressive skill 00:51:43 -!- fert_ has joined. 00:52:14 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 01:23:03 -!- fert_ has quit. 01:50:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:00:25 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Quit: NihilistDandy). 02:10:47 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Ik ga weg). 02:12:44 -!- nooodl has joined. 02:29:34 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 02:56:49 -!- Yonkie has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:57:54 -!- Yonkie has joined. 03:28:38 -!- Bike has joined. 03:43:15 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 03:43:32 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:00:54 -!- mnoqy has joined. 04:17:05 ion, fizzie: what do you think of mölkky 04:55:16 Hmm. 04:55:23 I easily defeated the computer in Worms: Armageddon 04:55:29 I might be better at it than I remember 05:01:49 hmm indeed 05:17:50 I have watched a TV show where they made up some new three player chess variant, where some cells are square and some are a triangular tesselation, where coordinates are in thirds, and there are new kind of pieces (the serpent, old woman, king's cousin, golf cart, transporter pad, time machine, and I don't know what else); however, I don't know much about it. Do you know if there are actual rules? 05:18:58 http://www.amazon.com/Stonerware-Pot-Leaf-Chess-Set/dp/B002UL69DE 05:19:00 saw this in a shop today 05:19:22 that is absurd 05:19:28 what sort of shop are we talking here 05:19:34 Dude, who's move is it again? The centuries old game of Kings and Queens enters the "stoner" age. Try to wrap your head around this classic game of strategy where you and your opponent do battle with only one goal in mind, to capture each others king. Keep in mind, it will take all of the braincells you have left to smoke your opponent under the table! 05:24:57 hi kmc 05:25:02 how's your makefile 05:25:16 very good thanks 05:25:46 mnoqy: just an ordinary shop........in san francisco 06:06:01 chess can easily go on for a very long while if you have no clue what you're doing 06:06:46 even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses 06:06:52 I expect 06:07:04 What's a game that if you don;t know what you're doing, it goes by quickly? 06:07:08 I guess timed levels 06:07:24 Ok, so what's a midpoint between "At your own pace" and "The clock is running"? 06:07:35 Two extremes, I want the golden mean 06:07:42 is this a song lyric (the worst song ever) 06:07:59 This is not, the worst song in the world, no 06:09:43 hi 06:39:16 I think there are three possibilities what some recording device will do if recording a TV signal including copy protection signals in it: [A] Ignore the copy protection and record it anyways. [B] Cancel the recording and display an error message. [C] Pause the recording (and turn on/off some indicator light), and resume once the copy protection is no longer present. 06:39:41 I have seen DVD recorders do [B], although I think more useful and what I think it ought to do, is to offer the user a choice between [A] and [C]. 06:43:21 (Another option which might sometimes be useful is that if [C] is selected, set the minimum time before a new index mark is recorded, and allow this number to be infinite if you don't want it to record an index mark.) 06:49:49 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:53:27 Sgeo_: tic-tac-toe 06:53:44 goes by pretty quickly usually 06:53:58 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 06:56:43 Gracenotes: That is because there aren't many moves. 07:01:30 even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses 07:01:36 argh 07:01:40 even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses <-- um there's also a 50-moves without capture or pawn movement rule hth 07:03:39 oerjan: I think that's an option 07:03:53 not a requirement, and not in all rulesets 07:12:18 Threefold repetition is also an "option" in the sense that a player has to claim it explicitly 07:12:25 -!- Yonkie has quit. 07:15:03 yes 07:15:13 Yes, those rules just allow the active player to claim a draw, I think. It doesn't require anyone to do anything. 07:15:27 that is the sense I meant :D 07:16:11 And of course you can select whatever rules you want but the FIDE rules do have the strict 50-move rule 07:16:16 (As well as the three-move) 07:17:44 I have an idea for a game. You go around the board like Monopoly, except it's 100,000,000 squares. Players start on opposite corners, flip coins to either move or not move. First player to catch the other wins. 07:17:55 (you move one square in one turn) 07:18:07 Let's say, clockwise. 07:18:16 -!- carado has joined. 07:24:00 i think the sun collapses thing would apply to that game 07:25:47 okay, 10 squares 07:25:52 or wait, what is the expected time for a bounded random walk 07:26:03 that's essentially what that is, anyway 07:26:32 random walks in one and two dimensions end up where they started in expectation. 07:26:44 variance grows over time, though, I believe. 07:27:03 yes, the question is whether it's exponentially slow or not 07:28:17 `frink 100000000^2 s -> year 07:28:29 3.1688764640840182682e+8 07:29:12 so with one move per second and if it's just _square time, you can do it before the sun collapses. barely :P 07:29:23 *_square_ 07:30:09 just don't use much more than 10 seconds per move hth 07:32:36 ah indeed it is, with a sqrt(2/pi) factor. 07:34:36 \lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{E(|S_n|)}{\sqrt n}= \sqrt{\frac 2{\pi}}. 08:09:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:13:31 -!- Deewiant has quit (Quit: Viivan loppu.). 08:19:59 -!- intosh has joined. 08:33:56 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 08:53:13 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:53:36 shachaf: Not much. I know it but haven’t played it. 08:54:00 ion: I played it! It was fun. 09:00:39 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 10:23:11 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 241 seconds). 10:24:48 -!- sebbu has joined. 10:27:02 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:58:22 -!- nooodl has joined. 11:25:24 -!- glogbackup has joined. 11:27:54 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:30:19 -!- glogbackup has joined. 11:33:55 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:49:43 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:51:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:26:46 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 13:30:46 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:31:22 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:47:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:07:45 -!- atehwa_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:07:47 dO YOU SUDDENLY REALISE You have caps lock turned on? 14:48:03 -!- atehwa has joined. 15:04:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:04:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:06:37 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 15:09:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:11:32 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 15:14:14 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 15:15:22 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:19:09 -!- heroux has joined. 15:25:35 -!- zzo38 has joined. 15:28:32 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:39:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:43:40 -!- Bike_ has joined. 15:47:58 -!- atehwa has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:55:33 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 15:59:00 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:01:30 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 16:11:02 -!- constant has changed nick to const. 16:41:11 `olist 900 16:41:13 olist 900: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly 16:42:14 -!- conehead has joined. 16:46:04 Yup, just noticed 16:46:09 Thanks 16:46:14 Also, hi Sgeo 16:48:36 hi 16:56:28 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:06:30 oh no I am starting a work tomorrow 17:06:32 what do I do 17:06:49 get high as hell 17:06:54 when 17:11:44 on the job 17:18:04 Arriving few hours late on the first day shows them you're not afraid of them. (Disclaimer: bad advice.) 17:23:03 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:26:27 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 17:28:46 I want to show that I am afraid of them? 17:29:44 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:30:20 -!- copumpkin has joined. 17:49:44 -!- sacje has joined. 17:52:51 Gracenotes: Yes, they need to establish dominance. 17:56:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:07:14 -!- const has changed nick to variable. 18:17:49 -!- mnoqy has joined. 18:18:48 I suppose I should wear a dog collar on my first day 18:19:03 Not go anywhere unless I am led on my leash 18:19:13 That seems like the start of a healthy business relationship 18:19:34 I'm not quite sure that would be the message that would get across 18:20:43 oh, this is more confusing than I thought 18:24:24 The thing to do is to just go, unless for some reason you are unable. 18:32:45 Sgeo_: Thanks! 18:32:46 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:34:35 shachaf, yw! Especially for that thing that I didn't actually do! 18:36:44 -!- Decent_One has joined. 18:37:26 `rwelcome Decent_One 18:37:29 ​Decent_One: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 18:40:04 dO YOU SUDDENLY REALISE You have caps lock turned on? <-- my old laptop had a bug that caused it to behave as if it did (or sometimes as if the control key was permanently pressed), and it could only be undone in certain windows (fortunately the putty window was one) 18:41:55 Sgeo_: Fine, no thanks for telling me about `olist. 18:47:43 pregnancyTest :: IO (Maybe Bool) 18:48:18 hi 18:52:37 -!- Decent_One has quit. 18:57:38 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:59:49 Gracenotes: I know someone who wears a dog collar to their job at Google... 19:00:01 Huh. Someone's sent an "I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn" email -- with proper linkedin.com links, it seems -- into the email address of one of our courses (named after the course code). 19:00:13 Suppose it could be just an unthinking "to all contacts" thing. 19:00:15 seems reasonable 19:00:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:00:37 kmc: spikes, by any chance? 19:00:49 also, should I get a LinkedIn? 19:01:05 yeah LinkedIn has some misfeature where it will scrape your address book and email everyone you know 19:01:27 Gracenotes: it's a minor irritation most of the time but I guess it can help you get a job 19:01:34 Gracenotes: don't remember if spikes or not 19:02:08 -!- Bike has joined. 19:02:32 Most people I know who wear collars occasionally seem to prefer the spikey variety. 19:03:17 well, in public, that is 19:03:24 should I get a job? 19:03:37 don't you have one 19:03:48 well, yes 19:05:12 oerjan: that is a strange bug 19:05:48 i don't have a Caps Lock key normally but it exists briefly while switching keyboard layouts, so if I press Caps Lock during that interval it's stuck on 19:07:56 I have a situation like that. 19:08:20 lrwxrwxrwx 1 shachaf shachaf 16 Feb 23 2012 bin/DISABLE-CAPSLOCK -> disable-capslock 19:08:42 clever 19:09:07 and what does that script run 19:09:12 Is it just me, or did the CIA seem to get its hand on this pdf? http://courses.engr.illinois.edu/cs421/sp2012/project/turner-implementation.pdf 19:09:50 kmc: A bit of Python I got from who-knows-where. 19:09:59 pie thon 19:10:06 #!/usr/bin/env python␤from ctypes import *␤X11 = cdll.LoadLibrary("libX11.so.6")␤display = X11.XOpenDisplay(None)␤X11.XkbLockModifiers(display, c_uint(0x0100), c_uint(2), c_uint(0))␤X11.XCloseDisplay(display) 19:10:12 Gracenotes: first page looks cut off to me 19:10:15 wow 19:10:25 I would expect there's a cryptically named standard X binary to do that 19:10:30 Probably. 19:10:32 but I approve of ctypes 19:12:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:13:28 elliott: well, this is how chrome renders it. http://i.imgur.com/N2yKfAP.png 19:14:32 elliott: Lol 19:14:34 I mean 19:14:36 Gracenotes: Lol 19:15:27 http://sprunge.us/DGXA ah, academic spam; what's not to love. 19:15:32 Seems that bit is meant to be blacked out 19:15:38 Although you can still copy-paste the text from underneath 19:16:15 in evince, it just renders as a black box, but the text is visible if you select it 19:17:12 I can't say why it's meant to be blacked out 19:17:20 *see why 19:17:27 Selecting it doesn't make it visible in evince for me 19:17:42 It seems like a fault of the OCR program 19:18:48 FreeFull: http://i.imgur.com/tm6vWCw.png 19:20:30 My highlight isn't red with white text =P 19:21:09 Well, it does look like OCR. 19:38:21 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:39:31 Can somebody tell me what would be idiomatic Finnish for "Why the hell am I doing this?" 19:41:53 Going to attempt to fix join/part coloring 19:41:57 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:42:45 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:43:01 Grah 19:43:45 -!- Sgeow has joined. 19:44:03 -!- Sgeow has left. 19:44:09 ick 19:44:18 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:44:45 Taneb: perkele hth 19:44:55 ty 19:46:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:46:38 -!- Sgeo has quit (Client Quit). 19:47:10 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:49:13 -!- Sgeo has quit (Client Quit). 19:49:19 Taneb: protip, all swearing complaints translate to finnish as "perkele" hth 19:49:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:50:23 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:50:46 a couple more and i'll ban him 19:51:13 `quote turing test 19:51:15 371) Will anyone be irritated if I tend to disconnect and reconnect a lot? [...] we _almost_ have an established policy that bots will be banned it they do that. which means we might have to administer a turing test to sgeo, and that could get ugly. 19:51:25 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:51:36 -!- Sgeow has joined. 19:51:42 a couple more and i'll establish a policy that we don't need a turing test hth 19:51:42 -!- Sgeow has left. 19:51:51 Sgeo: FIX IT ALREADY 19:51:53 Sorry 19:52:03 I can live with this theme for now 19:52:43 I guess I could have relocated the server list for the duration 19:55:00 (btw, that was for my ongoing project of a cosplay of SATW's Finland) 19:56:24 i thought that was ages ago 19:56:41 I didn't actually complete it on time 19:56:42 have you got a special lion yet 19:56:48 I guess you could say... 19:56:52 it was unfinished 19:59:50 I may end up disconnecting and reconnecting once around midnight 20:00:06 unacceptable. you must now stay here forever. 20:00:21 elliott, do you have any blue ribbon 20:00:35 no 20:00:50 Okay 20:00:56 Do you know where I can get some blue ribbon 20:01:14 don't do it 20:01:26 you'll regret it 20:03:08 This is important to me 20:06:26 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:13:56 -!- nooodl has joined. 20:16:44 http://youtu.be/0f_ec37PXNQ 20:20:53 http://youtubedoubler.com/98zb 20:21:58 ion: wtf is that 20:22:11 Indeed 20:22:52 this kid is disturbed 20:22:55 adorable, but disturbed 20:22:57 maybe its a joke 20:29:47 ... 20:29:51 :/ 20:30:38 That was one of the creepiest things I have ever seen 20:36:38 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:39:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:44:16 -!- atehwa has joined. 20:49:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:59:36 -!- upgrayeddd has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 21:18:38 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:21:43 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:28:25 -!- carado has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:59:22 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:02:29 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 22:15:12 TURING TEST EXTRA CREDIT: CONVINCE THE EXAMINER THAT HE'S A COMPUTER. 22:15:56 yes 22:23:26 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:25:40 -!- Bike has joined. 22:25:54 -!- intosh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:32:08 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:33:56 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 22:33:58 -!- Bike has joined. 22:34:40 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:43:01 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 23:03:22 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:04:38 -!- Bike has joined. 23:14:31 zzo38, old joke 23:14:54 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:17:05 -!- conehead has joined. 23:28:44 Yes, probably it is old. It is how I found it. 23:30:46 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:32:17 -!- Bike has joined. 23:36:21 -!- conehead_ has joined. 23:36:48 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:37:15 -!- conehead_ has changed nick to conehead. 23:54:15 http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/mr-burbujas.jpg 23:55:49 that sign really fixes your makefile, doesn't it 23:56:47 The laundromat for LSD users? 23:57:52 i was thinking salvia actually 23:58:13 imo it's pretty cool how you can see a sign and think of a drug 23:58:37 kmc: should i use that 23:59:02 the mural was painted over due to vandalism :/ 23:59:06 now they just have a super creepy logo 23:59:22 can't find a good picture tho 23:59:37 * ion is watching grass grow and/or importing 5M rows into PostgreSQL. 23:59:39 85,8MB 0:13:34 [ 135kB/s] [==============> ] 35% ETA 0:24:43 23:59:44 also google image searching "mr burbujas" finds a decent number of extremely ripped men wearing speedos