< 1373932972 29761 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373933423 436500 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373933540 20806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373934532 798550 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys seen the super-quine yet < 1373934533 870389 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/quine-relay < 1373934612 654457 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was you huh < 1373934644 315944 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373934647 765607 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373934656 248325 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never written a working quine < 1373935682 188212 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are quotes from other channels allowed? < 1373935698 163701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the star of david in the middle of the ouroboros < 1373935848 5340 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1373936186 811750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373936820 692156 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/uMbB7its < 1373936903 444167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats me < 1373936907 266960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is that~) < 1373936911 897409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good ~ press < 1373936917 619636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went for shift and hit ~ too < 1373936917 886768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373936924 418344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even do that < 1373936929 283521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a ""weird keyboard"" < 1373936929 551549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ~ is next to shift < 1373936940 79869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a yes < 1373936965 535580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your keyboard look like http://www.goodtyping.com/teclatUKok.png < 1373937027 198360 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an application to a forum < 1373937048 467539 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they're going to be let in, i like their style < 1373937099 894479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure < 1373937141 366785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok this is double weird < 1373937144 651261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even triple weird < 1373937152 1458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you press shift with your right hand?? < 1373937194 169476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373937195 515953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`~ < 1373937196 658912 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ~: not found < 1373937198 528933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the key to the right of shift < 1373937217 539137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373937223 484165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does your keyboard look < 1373937260 203928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this? http://kb.parallels.com/Attachments/19485/Images/wireless-british.jpg < 1373937662 859020 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373937790 809192 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373937803 148029 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938504 419625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the busy beaver sequence grows faster than any computable sequence is at once kind of obvious and totally mind-blowing < 1373938662 154109 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequences that grow slower than any monotonically increasing sequence are weirder, imo < 1373938687 634503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad I could spread the fear of those < 1373938704 994669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you forgot "computable" < 1373938713 761629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373938746 38824 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll figure it out < 1373938752 505101 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938752 777122 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373938752 982956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938803 178913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess some kind of busy-beaver-inverse is an example of that? < 1373938840 206087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = number of states needed to make a halting 2-symbol TM that runs for n steps < 1373938908 670902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that inverse Ackermann function α(n) that comes up in algorithms analysis < 1373938923 356099 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the one i know f(x) = smallest kolmogorov complexity of y for all y >= x < 1373938925 683644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you basically assume is less than 5 for any input < 1373938933 298900 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hecks does inverse ackermann even come up < 1373938935 124698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote largest < 1373938936 539244 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373938940 103619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*ac < 1373938941 710643 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :54) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge \ 75) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... \ 109) but yeah i'm not exactly comforta < 1373938942 819464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1373938944 434765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*ack < 1373938946 99839 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :335) are there boobs you wack and squeeze around to move the mouse? [...] like those little nipples in laptop keyboards, but they'd be full-blown boobies \ 665) i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself < 1373938948 279433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373938949 351290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*acker < 1373938950 690403 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373938958 305387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*number < 1373938960 216719 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG" \ 400) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan < 1373938961 811284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938962 629662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ways are there to make C Turing-complete? Perhaps making a byte have an infinite number of bits? < 1373938966 147963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1373938967 452477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i've heard of it obviously < 1373938973 960515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote inverse < 1373938975 807911 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373938989 340489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IO on unseekable streams? < 1373939026 31217 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This inverse appears in the time complexity of some algorithms, such as the disjoint-set data structure and Chazelle's algorithm for minimum spanning trees." hey that's actually kind of noticeably a thing < 1373939074 595770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, https://secunia.com/blog/372 < 1373939138 948462 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, this is asymptotically optimal: Fredman and Saks showed in 1989 that \Omega(\alpha(n)) words must be accessed by any disjoint-set data structure per operation on average" nice < 1373939147 462465 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nice, that pasted correctly < 1373939249 231145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alpha and the omega < 1373939299 715352 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: security drama is hilarious < 1373939354 252262 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think VLC mediaplayer in principle is an excelent peace of software. " i don't even know what this means. what's the VLC principle < 1373939369 957531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's excelent peace < 1373940309 968295 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1373940691 184398 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373940693 703325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I should use a different video player < 1373940777 784235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer 4 lyfe < 1373940890 414264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"World's #1 text MMO / MUD" ... "Where women wear real armor" < 1373940900 95725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it not possible for women to wear real armor if you can see them? < 1373940909 659435 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373940912 74372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1373940918 788560 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to write a cipher, see if anyone can crack it! Hints: It is all ASCII code, available via keyboard. Cipher key: (Hexadecimal) http://pastebin.com/bN7UZCGw Encrypted text: (Hexadecimal): http://pastebin.com/KuKGf7Q0 < 1373940923 649578 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paste the ASCII deciphered(hint) result. < 1373940926 295870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/2970-1373396333.jpg < 1373940945 212161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that image does not make me think of a MUD. An MMO maybe, but not a MUD. < 1373940959 910417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: you're that challenge person with a bunch of names right < 1373941010 457739 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available via keyboard < 1373941102 49634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: you could ask in ##crypto too < 1373941154 502104 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, but yarrkov does not like it. < 1373941179 108094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are there any details at all as to the code here or is it just a heap of bits that you have to decode with no information about the cipher < 1373941234 266307 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No further info. < 1373941241 849412 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you ask, ill be able to assist you < 1373941265 353207 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373941274 806742 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373941279 681124 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373941385 118478 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright i got this cipher < 1373941477 796434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his asshole to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down, you dig, farting out the words. It was unlike anything I ever heard. Bubbly, thick, stagnant sound. A sound you could smell. This man worked for the carnival, you dig? And to start with it was like a novelty ventriloquist act. After a while, the ass started talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared... and his ass woul < 1373941509 499716 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure this message should have stayed ciphered, sardig. < 1373941540 660333 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Excusme? < 1373941555 390715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the message isn't it < 1373941559 987833 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a caesar cipher < 1373941560 254672 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That is not the cipher? < 1373941563 742222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, sardig < 1373941570 61405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of challenge isn't welcome here imo < 1373941571 669529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it's not the cipher, you pasted the cipher < 1373941574 964343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the decrypted text < 1373941645 227995 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What did you exactly do? That is not the message. < 1373941683 923244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a caesar cipher, shift all the letters to the right a few places < 1373941693 350581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you could have at least gone for vignere, made it more challenging < 1373941718 184504 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Show us how you did it, because that is not the plaintext... < 1373941754 45801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean show you it's the simplest cipher in the world < 1373941762 388604 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_cipher < 1373941803 192751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the simplest cipher is the identity cipher hth < 1373941810 5444 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Are you trying to troll? < 1373941825 60093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's just caesar zero. < 1373941839 757429 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How could you shift it so quick? < 1373941848 113546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it's not a cipher, it's a family of ciphers!! < 1373941854 79316 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... it's not like i was doing it by hand... < 1373941863 656030 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Then show us what you used. < 1373941877 190733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC pro move: show up in a channel and immediately accuse channel regulars of trolling < 1373941895 589668 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is not the plaintext... < 1373941902 376891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mastring/mafingre right < 1373941902 639211 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even check yourself. < 1373941918 931722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you check? you gave no details about the cipher < 1373941923 759216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the plaintext could be anything at all < 1373941947 30038 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave 2 details about the cipher < 1373941948 910152 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a hint < 1373942000 498834 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://realitystudio.org/texts/naked-lunch/talking-asshole/ < 1373942005 622532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373942006 430824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i have a challenge < 1373942008 631850 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got what you said from there. < 1373942014 648644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the ciphertext: yxkGC3YhlRmcmr96NsKiInoDC19I5IHizprvMOeypXpX4UfH4qRsg7V3nMUfxDHXXp8FuwvtDjH7 < 1373942022 464083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the key: D6u5utqNryrIPCwQuAdlUe < 1373942036 623658 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is it an actual cipher? < 1373942044 398405 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is, he said so right there < 1373942047 652870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes a cipher actual < 1373942050 603922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is government if words have no meaning < 1373942055 467400 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean, I appareciate Burroughs as much as the next guy, but it's kind of weird to just come in the channel and paste it < 1373942059 589084 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It decodes to plaintext < 1373942079 118286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things do < 1373942096 199008 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Your attempt at trolling is not helping. < 1373942108 78040 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep saying that < 1373942119 998040 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You are yet to show me how you did it < 1373942133 627744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but < 1373942137 184220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> fromEnum (toEnum x + 3) :: Char) "hello" < 1373942138 255452 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1373942138 461630 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1373942140 130748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: are you mastring/mafingre, I just want to know < 1373942145 562832 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always with the type errors < 1373942158 334504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (fromEnum (toEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "hello" < 1373942159 200749 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1373942159 406282 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1373942217 499118 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (toEnum (fromEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "hello" < 1373942218 36334 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "khoor" < 1373942220 982689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go. < 1373942229 724986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my actual code was in python but i don't think we have a python evalbot. < 1373942235 479778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print 123 < 1373942237 391041 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1373942248 259038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is underappreciated, it does tons of languages < 1373942248 527489 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow where were you five minutes ago dude < 1373942252 590780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages < 1373942255 568110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1373942256 679396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1373942257 213494 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1373942262 344768 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ideone does < 1373942268 635372 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't linguine a kind of pasta < 1373942280 259084 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know ideone does, but it's so trivial i wanted it just in the channel < 1373942296 850477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you like actually not aware of caesar ciphers? they're perfect to teach crypto to kids < 1373942307 922826 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google linguine language < 1373942309 32220 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/rexmurphy/story/2013/02/21/thenational-rexmurphy-022113.html < 1373942309 298956 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: CBC News - The National - Rex Murphy - On Language and Linguine < 1373942312 246687 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: So where is the key inputted? < 1373942313 320220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1373942338 69939 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need the key, you just put that in to misdirect. < 1373942368 165627 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (toEnum (fromEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "17e4c459841029f07a1fbeb011ba7e5d5cadb75628d1514e524ec877c34ca78241589c5849981725​f89ce03f3fb273f347b21982357d43725541c936d6726677abcd143bccead76f57765168b53dc3f0​268cd9" < 1373942368 967098 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:128: < 1373942369 173046 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '... < 1373942386 343875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1373942399 778115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you expected < 1373942459 480143 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what? < 1373942531 399695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok look we're obviously fucking with you, because your 'challenge' is boring and technically impossible because as shachaf implied you could use an arbitrary algorithm to have arbitrary plaintext, and playing 'guess the commonly used algorithm' is no fun. ok? < 1373942549 455576 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus if elliott is to be believed you're dumping this randomly into channels for some reason < 1373942550 796036 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You were trolling. < 1373942554 584547 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373942577 357835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just find the names things curious that's all < 1373942580 38943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1373942585 804924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be less curious if sardig answered :P < 1373942600 490466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: Are you mafingre/mastring/etc.? < 1373942612 207947 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Who/what is that? < 1373942623 312220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: two people with the same IP as you. < 1373942630 858345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who joined using the same web client as you to ask the same challenges as you. < 1373942647 532842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt there but are you actually denying you're them. < 1373942651 80263 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only ever joined once as this name. < 1373942657 53921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, "as this name". < 1373942660 67004 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I live in a shared apartment < 1373942665 160298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373942667 35049 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, god, don't even do that. < 1373942681 909986 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do what? < 1373942690 581817 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live in a shared apartment? < 1373942707 976165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :claim your roommate came in and did something objectionable (not that this is really that objectionable anyway!) when somebody notices your IP did something objectionable. < 1373942709 319357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, look, it's really really obvious that they're you. < 1373942729 116377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can just forget that. i'll forgive you if you stop insulting all our intelligence by implying you're not them. i mean seriously. < 1373942751 875415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we've all been around the block a few times. as you know i am an accomplished troll, familiar with exciting troll tactics such as weird excuses and resetting my router to get a slightly different IP that is noticed in two seconds. < 1373942775 698901 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I knew you were trolling, you were not accomplished. < 1373942785 168477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1373942810 822079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: have I not made it clear that you're digging yourself a pretty deep hole here. < 1373942816 454521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, stop. < 1373942831 14608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i'm sorry for being mean but seriously nobody cares about your challenge, aight < 1373942858 397873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i don't actually own Naked Lunch, I do have Junkie but it's too psychotic for me to read < 1373942876 394163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch the movie sometime though. < 1373942885 816935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of naked lunch, not junkie. i don't think there's a movie of junkie. < 1373943048 837340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Gracenotes < 1373943052 859645 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-15 07:04:00: I think I will have to skip that, didn't plan far enough ahead < 1373943065 971311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still disappointed he didn't get high, tbh < 1373943086 503030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who / what < 1373943091 869053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gracenotes. < 1373943100 750821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when < 1373943112 890600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... around 7:04:00 apparently. < 1373943136 144343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373943152 578434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well getting hi is the beginning of any good phone call < 1373943157 403757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1373943162 498867 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373943167 91721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, totally, man < 1373943189 529994 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly mean. < 1373943221 44371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: So are you mafingre etc. or are you a different person using the same IP address joining the same channel to give the same sort of challenge? < 1373943250 267633 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may or may not be mafingre's room-mate < 1373943255 909025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, look, don't. < 1373943269 784341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: Just answer the question. < 1373943299 39950 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373943312 743464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes what? < 1373943312 985486 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1373943324 603174 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mafingre < 1373943340 611039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok cool so what was with the whole roommate thing. I mean really. you could have just said. < 1373943340 816542 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there we go. < 1373943344 92302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious. < 1373943376 524663 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can i ask a serious question about a project I am working on though? < 1373943380 874303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1373943440 420796 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am creating a messaging software (secure) And thinking of using sha256; well, the only time it uses the sha hash is to send the pass for conformation, then it uses the md5 hash of the pass as the key for the encryption (AES) , the server then uses this encryption to send the iv to the client, and then they both use the md5 hash and the iv to do any other encrypting of messages < 1373943446 515412 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iv is a random long generated on server startup < 1373943464 554644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373943466 347068 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why switch algos? < 1373943467 419669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this challenge is more appropriate for ##crypto. < 1373943467 722563 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that sound? is it safe/secure? < 1373943490 527018 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Currently banned there. < 1373943546 270624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A jar? For cooking rice? < 1373943550 289184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you get banned for :P < 1373943554 75436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it doesn't work very well if the person isn't even in the channel. < 1373943571 654601 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yarrkov did not like my challenges. < 1373943586 275873 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had a little fit. < 1373943603 244623 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is finnish too. < 1373943616 536936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really want to oppress a minority? Because Finns are a minority < 1373943621 890430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shachaf don't < 1373943636 865557 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said he was finnish < 1373943645 20083 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's referencing a recent internet fit < 1373943660 23062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo I gave linus one quote too many the first time < 1373943673 376061 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i suppose using the same "iv" for channels across one server invocation could be insecure, maybe the attacker can use the similarity to break encryption, or whatever < 1373943680 161714 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is linus on freenode? < 1373943716 486937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like) Linus < 1373943723 264365 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torvalds < 1373943785 359890 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if we wanted, we could have a unique iv per connection < 1373943832 63633 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, whatshisname (scheiner) had a free book on security didn't he < 1373943840 865469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free and/or i pirated it, anyway it's gonna be better than me < 1373943851 139845 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is the cryptography master < 1373943855 224434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IV isn't meant to be encrypted in the first place. < 1373943876 879154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a thing? i'm just reading "intravenuous" < 1373943877 417121 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps it's "AES/CBC/PKCS5Padding" (the algo we are using) < 1373943894 491156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you should be using is a high-level cryptography library. < 1373943898 799894 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As most junkies would < 1373943911 215706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or maybe you are in this case. I don't know. < 1373943917 382875 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initialization vector < 1373943921 16271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you shouldn't be thinking about sha256 and md5 yourself. < 1373943940 636722 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to see my Java code? < 1373943943 850751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1373943948 486228 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I have implemented for the algo. < 1373943952 777565 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill setup a SVN < 1373943959 744530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr do you know the first rule of cryptography < 1373943980 803698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't especially want to help you in the first place, since you joined this channel after being banned from ##crypto, lied about who you are repeatedly, and accused people of trolling. < 1373944026 821976 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I accused correctly. < 1373944028 430214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I help you implement cryptography you'll surely get it wrong anyway -- that's how it works -- but maybe it'd be in a less obvious way, so more people would use your code. So net harm increase. < 1373944057 102629 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways back to my original question, so, yes to sha256? < 1373944060 417336 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it help? < 1373944065 291089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1373944070 567769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the first rule of cryptography is don't roll your own, because you're gonna make some minor screwup and nobody's going to notice until your bank's on fire and you have to move to Guam < 1373944072 707216 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How so? < 1373944075 653456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: you should drop the trolling accusation. < 1373944084 372164 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :kmc > 1373944084 396684 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373944089 862346 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He even admitted to trolling... < 1373944095 614384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373944098 831371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373944102 652247 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, there goes kmc's voice. < 1373944107 37328 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373944107 77865 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373944111 992277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt left out < 1373944113 63323 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1373944116 868288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc didn't have voice anyway < 1373944117 671606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ummm he hasn't had voice for like weeks < 1373944123 79214 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo voice me. < 1373944135 780447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know anything about impartiality < 1373944143 488826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could voice a completely random person < 1373944150 764840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I impartial function < 1373944160 444502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you knowing anything about impartiality makes it impossible for you to be impossible about impartiality. < 1373944166 447088 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impartial* < 1373944169 988270 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also impossible. < 1373944173 250226 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5 is used for 128bit key < 1373944179 980261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you want a voice or the opposite of a voice here. < 1373944190 489389 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't... what's the opposite of a voice. < 1373944222 298265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever seen The Matrix < 1373944229 847447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... once? < 1373944237 930963 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that scene. < 1373944241 739083 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it once. < 1373944247 944641 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it was hacker nonsense. < 1373944300 339614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you should op me < 1373944308 187013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll deop myself soon thereafter < 1373944330 246772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan would fire me, hth < 1373944363 475265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie did it once < 1373944365 118397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no harm < 1373944392 152910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the opposite of shachaf in here < 1373944395 99390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(impartiality-related question) < 1373944401 907030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1373944420 186331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now THERE'S a challenge < 1373944454 451980 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is a mindless challenge < 1373944469 755511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, rude < 1373944495 312428 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly, just saying not much thought would be involved < 1373944504 737640 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not like it is a puzzle or anything < 1373944520 938845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know sudoku can be solved automatically? < 1373944523 667455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, thoughtlessly. < 1373944528 231306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being "a puzzle" doesn't mean anything. < 1373944537 159186 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, its not challenging < 1373944544 699851 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know my challenge requires thought. < 1373944547 728456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, what is thought, even, woah < 1373944550 436033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i really don't < 1373944558 242184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well < 1373944570 927034 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to solve your challenge i have to figure out what algorithm you used, which is mostly something i have to figure out from your personality < 1373944574 148612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps i'm self-dual < 1373944578 176010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <@elliott> well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well < 1373944581 976055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like the magestic photon < 1373944582 181866 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1073) <@elliott> well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well < 1373944596 824894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the main thing with your challenge is that the ciphertext and key you gave don't actually add any information < 1373944602 755654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the algorithm can be literally anything and do literally anything with them. < 1373944613 8984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is equivalent to "what number am I thinking of?" < 1373944619 158713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 4 < 1373944631 355531 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fizzie once solved one of my cipher challenges < 1373944633 231815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually probably 1073 if anything < 1373944641 623331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now it's 4 < 1373944645 143594 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave him the same info < 1373944648 394316 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the digital root of 1073 is half of 4. < 1373944680 447257 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: yes, there's a correct answer if we can guess what algorithm you used, based on what we can guess about you, and assuming you don't just lie (which, while you might not do so, is perfectly possible given the lack of constraints on the puzzle) < 1373944694 121627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: was that in another channel or something < 1373944721 955860 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway, "I guessed what someone on IRC was thinking" isn't very satisfying to finish. < 1373944723 520224 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was in ##asm < 1373944731 126746 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems off topic in asm... < 1373944744 251650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not any more off-topic than in #esoteric < 1373944744 519937 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, fizzie is a smart person < 1373944747 497613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway not all of us are as cool as fizzie < 1373944749 143977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1373944750 483320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone decrypt this message? 8============================================D < 1373944751 559898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373944753 168477 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also finnish < 1373944758 30886 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well #esoteric is the opposite of topical < 1373944759 638945 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all times < 1373944770 616048 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is esoteric after all! Ha < 1373944775 684480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha indeed < 1373944778 173635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a smart person but i don't know what that has to do with anything really < 1373944784 432405 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you could insert a voice recognition joke here < 1373944795 575469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just assume I made one < 1373944809 386387 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone met fizzie IRL? < 1373944810 157856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how can fizzie do voice recognition..............when no one has voice < 1373944815 621309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1373944820 785292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore +v me < 1373944823 767963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1373944825 498074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has voice. < 1373944832 80087 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf we need to find your opposite first. < 1373944835 669960 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to preserve the balance. < 1373944841 67554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess i'm not very good at voice recognition.............................. < 1373944844 55260 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :##philosophy is trollsville < 1373944851 902858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ask ##philosophy too < 1373944863 799303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling us about all these channels you spammed isn't really endearing. < 1373944867 20068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Do you know things about boolean groups? < 1373944868 897027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is < 1373944875 721193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I.e. groups where every element is its own inverse. < 1373944880 812174 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different sense of "endearing" < 1373944884 296272 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not very many things :( < 1373944896 263739 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one besides GF(2) < 1373944897 74412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: xor is a good example!! < 1373944954 43684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other good examples? < 1373944972 101326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it means e.g. that a+b=c <==> a=b+c < 1373944977 226703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the group is commutative < 1373944980 175654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things < 1373944995 136269 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there only one group of order two < 1373945017 59163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373945025 548267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elements are of order (at most) 2, not the group. < 1373945029 144226 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373945178 265555 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373945556 169877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's great to be on top < 1373945583 206242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i decrypted it and it's a kitten < 1373945591 140291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww. < 1373945599 719717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a binary encoding of a kitten, an actual kitten < 1373945601 368427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373945620 557727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373945624 111682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a christmas miracle < 1373945658 508581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't handle a kitten right now :'( < 1373945661 189103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i encrypt it < 1373945699 393267 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can I have op too < 1373945708 8097 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to ban me :( < 1373945715 55725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about we just op everybody simultaneously < 1373945722 131204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: greedy < 1373945722 704410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoever's left in the channel last wins < 1373945727 838953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: do you even have anything to do with it < 1373945740 575971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @ looks cool! < 1373945746 704986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, granted. < 1373945749 655773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Fiora < 1373945755 122978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed box containing elliott < 1373945762 817948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your rust...... < 1373945772 850730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you know my box isn't managed at all < 1373945778 22988 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/17054/group-where-every-element-is-order-2 < 1373945785 31640 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I want to be part of the cool @ club :< < 1373945795 332228 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm reading this right they're all whatevertheufuck-dimensional vector spaces, but i'm probably not reading it right < 1373945849 360178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the need for the @ has vanished now anyway < 1373945851 509435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373945851 532397 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945854 845142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip cool club < 1373945860 816285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is still cool < 1373945867 467051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the only need for it that you wanted to look cool next to kmc < 1373945870 197239 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373945870 219888 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945871 885211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :kmc > 1373945871 909149 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945872 359092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you failed btw........) < 1373945873 829842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373945873 850337 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945876 242970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip cool club < 1373945896 493152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't as good as the time I deopped shachaf in #haskell :/ < 1373945917 848560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373945923 244764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time was taht < 1373945938 757472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a spammer or something and we both opped and I got to it before you < 1373945941 432410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I saved you the effort < 1373945962 192023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373945971 913669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the ban wasn't quite right or something so i had to reöp? < 1373945975 197392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i just complain < 1373945979 489457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just complained < 1373945987 305254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can believe that < 1373947101 810787 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373948289 728633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373949357 525117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :status: drinking scotch out of a MongoDB coffee mug < 1373949381 816163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: everyone seems to have those < 1373949388 625437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you < 1373949391 40504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373949397 778297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm ""biased"" < 1373949430 910260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1373949436 37258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because mongodb is bro-scale < 1373949470 616156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i worked at a competitor < 1373949476 816991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it i didn't get any mugs, though < 1373949506 949810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373949515 312883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you did < 1373949520 759153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose mongodb mug is it < 1373949526 123551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unclear < 1373949957 160064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bought an ``e-cigarette'' < 1373949967 981858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tip glows blue when you use it < 1373950101 940234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1373950122 506035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to ``e-smoke´´ it < 1373950134 869792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :already doing < 1373950156 553921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1373950172 910237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your um, digital nicotine? < 1373950188 919987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :N1C0T1N3 < 1373950782 816608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: breathing < 1373951078 316085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373951107 830145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, Wikipedia got a WYSIWYG editor? < 1373951534 105426 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373952466 999519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the DotA map were rotated a bit, so the DotA 2 logo would be % < 1373952630 264230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many light-hours from Earth to Pluto? < 1373952679 774530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373952964 755498 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373952993 782287 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373953187 359633 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's only been coming for, like, 8 years < 1373953247 608537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1373953250 322633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your new job? < 1373953270 638974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+from+earth+to+pluto+in+light-seconds < 1373953272 80870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1373953274 496659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15,714 light seconds < 1373953288 129471 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy figuring out wtf is going on. < 1373953295 678607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.365 light hours < 1373953300 270105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I thought you were an expert! < 1373953305 954676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.1825 heavy hours < 1373953313 774771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: me too :/ < 1373953331 921023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chasing down a segfault in Servo, memory-safe language my ass < 1373953359 442507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, segfaults < 1373953364 60341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep 'unsafe' $(find -name '*.rs' -o -name '*.rc') | wc -l < 1373953364 328234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4612 < 1373953369 970700 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought it was proved < 1373953374 658566 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the safestest < 1373953424 454131 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People I have evidence that the Chinese anticipated the men who stare at goats by over two centuries < 1373953430 83081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe: Sheep in military formation http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Receiving_the_surrender_of_the_Yili.jpg < 1373953430 350421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps gadts will fix your segfaults < 1373953442 19856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took five unsafeCoerces out of lens using gadts!! < 1373953452 233202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratschaf < 1373953467 150966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to convert it to use Proxy < 1373953472 295645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bounty for each one < 1373953480 405355 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use MACHINES < 1373953483 894141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373953488 254047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy as in data Proxy a = Proxy < 1373953493 155360 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. pssh. < 1373953494 226710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "that weird one" < 1373953498 359525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a nice simple data type < 1373953499 430538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one true Proxy < 1373953505 102884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Proxy is the best imo < 1373953507 791439 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of that type < 1373953521 331017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing a type as a parameter, more or less < 1373953524 277508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/7671 :/ < 1373953525 358169 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :humankind is not yet advanced enough to construct lens library without unsafeCoerce < 1373953535 114783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: um, we did < 1373953552 919747 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, totally without it, yeah < 1373953553 454508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh no < 1373953559 626605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does servo use phantom types < 1373953563 723240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373953566 447182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1373953577 520638 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is 'a' usually higher-kinded, in Proxy? < 1373953589 753384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DOM has a phantom type parameter and this is used to restrict what the script task vs. the render task can do with it < 1373953591 630359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's usually :: *. < 1373953593 625706 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy f -> f c -> ... < 1373953596 250701 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah k < 1373953597 936418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, you mentioned. < 1373953605 227296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Polykinded Proxy is coming, or something. < 1373953606 639708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Take typeOf. < 1373953607 986751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeOf < 1373953608 521728 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable a => a -> TypeRep < 1373953612 542854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (5 :: Int) < 1373953613 386963 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Int < 1373953616 337096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (undefined :: Int) < 1373953617 140967 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Int < 1373953639 260918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually use its argument -- that's just used for picking a type class instance. < 1373953646 893779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm a bit disappointed that just gives a single number, instead of some kind of time slider thing, or at least a graph. (At least it does accept "at YYYY-mm-dd" specifiers.) < 1373953654 295570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can define typeRep :: Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep < 1373953668 471204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can say typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Int), no undefined necessary. < 1373953683 905185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, plain "distance from earth to pluto" yields a graph. < 1373953690 968059 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also doesn't involve any allocation. that nice. < 1373953701 753833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocation? < 1373953738 862640 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a nullary constructor, the strictness analyzer might not bother setting up a closure for it < 1373953754 771175 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somethin. < 1373953872 158938 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have a lot of things to learn. I have classes essentially 6-7 hours a day this week. < 1373953889 226553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google-classes? < 1373953905 223400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does that go on? < 1373953943 337819 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal density, then half density, then less density < 1373953956 26389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: But undefined won't get allocation either, presumably, presumably. It's just shared. Or am I wrong? < 1373953989 206472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a class on sphere packing < 1373954013 738579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeno's google classes < 1373954019 986483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they interesting? < 1373954039 539408 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm, perhaps. different closure types for sure, if they are both closures and not optimized out by some means < 1373954074 101318 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thinking of it as analogous to [] or Nothing or especially (), around which some optimization occurs < 1373954086 39153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1373954090 58542 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I shall see! < 1373954100 250959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a reason for allocation at any rate. < 1373954107 486976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in any case. < 1373954115 109591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not if typeOf gets inlined. :-) < 1373954211 700399 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good thing yesh < 1373954221 657656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo rust should get rank-2 types implemented with a jit < 1373954230 578381 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know you have a dictionary somewhere, ghc... give it to me..." < 1373954235 136379 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hales estimates that producing a complete formal proof will take around 20 years of work." christ < 1373954917 202428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is "copy" gone yet < 1373954966 798234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on it < 1373954976 331591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: of what < 1373954988 603458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1373955021 957984 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof that the usual sphere packing is the most efficient < 1373955351 771202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: rustc takes a long time to compile rustc, too :'( < 1373955362 603006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is "that weird one"? < 1373955402 399202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Proxy? < 1373955405 382740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage pipes < 1373955405 588530 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/pipes < 1373955516 681839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an easy way to generate rust tags? < 1373955519 935008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctags, I mean. < 1373955625 640475 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373955658 470653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of any such way < 1373955701 966699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hard way? https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/1731 hints at a regexp thing. < 1373955732 866580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of a hard way, either < 1373955740 988354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use ack-grep < 1373955746 381193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I. < 1373955755 293849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1373956118 6696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The enum vs. struct distinction is odd. < 1373956140 237500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's various code in the compiler that treats them differently even where it wouldn't really seem necessary. < 1373956189 663227 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373956189 869171 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373956189 869316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373956371 319389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373956384 573810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there do seem to be a number of things like that < 1373956422 709342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking with sully about how traits can have type parameters, which makes them act like a poor man's MPTC, but this was only realized after the fact because there aren't enough diehard Haskellers on the Rust team :/ < 1373956447 528597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly like MPTC either, the last parameter is special in various ways (e.g. you can implicitly existentially quantify over it, by using the trait name as a type) < 1373956517 545350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also static methods of a trait are implemented differently from non-static, whereas in Haskell you can put the typeclass parameter on the LHS or RHS of -> or both and (I believe) compilers mostly don't care < 1373956574 230319 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :are functions expecting traits specializable to particular types? < 1373956583 148199 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :making everything static, essentially < 1373956635 738727 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wherever the parameter is, you're still passing *in* a dictionary, yeah. (or inlining) < 1373956685 994646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the inlining one < 1373956744 365744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust a polymorphic function is compiled separately for each instantiation, kinda like C++ templates < 1373956754 588200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that officially part of the language semantics or only the implementation? < 1373956776 1546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they do a template-specialization thing, so maybe it would have to be the former... < 1373956812 561717 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1373956850 649542 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no such thing as a vtable? < 1373956919 361123 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373956962 642598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that's the existential thing kmc mentioned. < 1373957017 132822 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, may well be. < 1373957084 390851 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be benefits to universal quantification and vtables, like trading off codesize and codeperformance. < 1373957102 51783 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373957179 497509 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, yes, Rust is already pretty heavy on syntax for operational control... < 1373957367 275576 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now just making things up < 1373957499 550026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, when you use a trait as a type, you end up with something like a vtable < 1373957500 885872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373957512 300247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know if it's officially part of semantics < 1373957562 255933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's hard to compile polymorphic functions once, if the types at which they can be used vary in size and other properties < 1373957586 824075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java and Haskell and such get away with it because they enforce this uniform representation where everything is a pointer to a heap object with certain stuff < 1373957775 833533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Real World OCaml now o_O < 1373957945 89924 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373957968 525346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Jason Hickey is one of the authors! < 1373958078 361972 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_cakes#Categorisation_as_cake_or_biscuit_for_VAT < 1373958268 365494 :THEGH05T!~root@2.120.185.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373958294 798239 :THEGH05T!~root@2.120.185.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO < 1373958315 633581 :THEGH05T!~root@2.120.185.255 PART :#esoteric < 1373958357 580676 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373958363 521210 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had root < 1373958392 721940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was glorious < 1373958831 237965 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373959434 608108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION back < 1373959445 174782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to sleep, though, to get my sleep all fixed up. < 1373959598 117684 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373959612 804597 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should do that < 1373960722 277489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, enums are really treated entirely separately in the compiler. < 1373960734 156858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty odd. < 1373961142 547662 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373961652 442830 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373961677 65134 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373962894 694201 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373964023 996087 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373964060 53706 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373964693 431538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1373964797 696698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373965103 485364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1373965135 66589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you figure out any new fancy type things < 1373965988 260021 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966152 869112 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966358 637594 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373966366 807625 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966706 19899 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373966719 496749 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966851 259626 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373969241 330177 :tebuan!~user@180.251.139.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373969262 170428 :tebuan!~user@180.251.139.124 PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1373969382 45655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373969422 830663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373971108 434805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373971184 982483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : thanks linus :| <-- did anyone suggest the compromise that he can only swear in finnish twh < 1373972249 813613 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373972257 732914 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373972482 46034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373972510 594223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mentally pronounced "cache" as "cash-ay" before I knew how it's really pronounced and now I can't stop <-- i mentally pronounce it with a long a hth < 1373972541 174790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it "catchee" < 1373972895 271561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a catchy pronunciation < 1373975686 720587 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373975797 893637 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373976059 678873 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373976094 893852 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...Does this seem at all original? It's a semi-esoteric lang inspired by ternary operators: https://github.com/L8D/tran < 1373976216 905477 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: depends... at least it's not a brainfuck equivalent < 1373976268 16923 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373976307 469682 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand... it seems a bit like "take language X and replace some symbols" < 1373976339 135661 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most languages (definitely not all of them) the semantic of the language are what make it special, not the syntax < 1373976349 160661 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*semantics < 1373976364 573164 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally started with the idea of a javascript equivalent in which could be efficiently minimized < 1373976437 615365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott who's the opposite of shachaf in here <-- i suggest Vorpal hth < 1373976437 882204 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373976441 237355 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted something that would be easy and fun to write in....instead of an actually useful one < 1373976484 668839 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say very original languages are usually totally different (and thus not based on) any existing language < 1373976485 781096 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning on it being a symbiotic language of js < 1373976505 484937 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1373976505 807952 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373976524 925691 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: so maybe not the most original, but don't really care about that as long as you're having fun < 1373976533 45517 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373976658 386586 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I don't do much javascript programming, I really like how it feels "vintage" < 1373976682 323116 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still will behaive like a modern language when you need it to < 1373976768 70745 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373976847 485237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf boolean groups are basically vector spaces over GF(2), i think. which means they're determined up to isomorphism by the cardinality of their vector basis. < 1373976847 789163 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373976889 885593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf so, basically just xor with your chosen no. of bits, which can be transfinite. < 1373976890 151415 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373977371 612786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike if i'm reading this right they're all whatevertheufuck-dimensional vector spaces, but i'm probably not reading it right <-- you were reading it right hth < 1373977371 858493 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373977467 754416 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373978683 536089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373978971 41443 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373979342 585327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373979974 852041 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373980113 270724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373980373 47532 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vectors have א‎₁ bits < 1373980396 782699 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373981021 484379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1373981021 752955 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 161300Z 02005KT 15SM FEW240 27/18 A3023 RMK CI1 AC TR SLP237 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1373981867 198727 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1373981925 659909 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373983078 423668 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6 21 107 47176870 < 1373983080 981749 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373983098 485120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 1 1 1 1 < 1373983117 422151 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: <> < 1373983142 988983 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,1,1,1,1 < 1373983144 387078 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : The simplest sequence of positive numbers: the all 1's sequence.[1,1,1,1,1,1... < 1373983159 699140 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty subjective < 1373983282 559770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be simpler? < 1373983378 511019 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1373983383 534047 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, http://www.theweathernetwork.com/alerts/high-alert/canada/quebec/montreal. it is stuffy, damp, humid, hot, steamy, sultry, and otherwise not fun outside.) < 1373983435 402598 :absolutinen!~ared@host99-181-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1373983468 85776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I think it may count as only a degenerate case. < 1373983640 289421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373983962 505275 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373984005 34582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373984124 1250 :absolutinen!~ared@host99-181-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PART #esoteric :"Sto andando via" < 1373984219 871899 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373984814 743764 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis -1, 0, 1, 0, -1 < 1373984824 319396 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numerator of Bernoulli number B_n.[1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,5,0,691,0,7,0,3617,0,... < 1373985437 600690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373985647 849347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as infinite sequences go, 1,1,1,... is impressively trivially computed. < 1373985705 992563 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about 0, 0, 0... < 1373985708 951725 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that harder < 1373985770 685174 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate ([]:) [] < 1373985772 476481 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[[]],[[],[]],[[],[],[]],[[],[],[],[]],[[],[],[],[],[]],[[],[],[],[],[],... < 1373985789 755277 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,0,0,0,0 < 1373985803 321946 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expansion of Jacobi theta function theta_3(x) = Sum_{m = -infinity..infinity... < 1373985813 809011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's hard. < 1373985860 888616 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand correctquenced. < 1373985919 833054 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 2, 3, 4 < 1373985930 556497 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : The natural numbers. Also called the whole numbers, the counting numbers or ... < 1373985953 64365 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I started from 1, not from 0? < 1373985975 640508 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0, 1, 2, 3 < 1373985983 345537 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Digital sum (i.e. sum of digits) of n.[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9... < 1373985990 386489 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1373986488 751269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,2,2,2,2 < 1373986498 759417 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Number of distinct primes dividing n (also called omega(n)).[0,1,1,1,1,2,1,1... < 1373986705 988639 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373987290 863185 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to fear that there's something wrong with oeis... < 1373987397 220680 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3 11 94 < 1373987398 64785 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373987402 706054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3, 11, 94 < 1373987403 507791 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373987407 380519 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373987419 763199 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 2, 4, 8, 15 < 1373987421 407792 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cake numbers: maximal number of pieces resulting from n planar cuts through ... < 1373988777 974457 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373989057 775415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373989596 52271 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373990113 580198 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373990418 784479 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373990504 135885 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373990717 918681 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,1,4,11,23,45,82 < 1373990719 285293 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Length of shortest Golomb-like (for sums of triples) ruler with n marks.[0,1... < 1373991068 50758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think of the fact that in Rust you can dereference a pointer with & as well as * < 1373991072 924086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using & on the LHS of a pattern match < 1373991703 984483 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373991799 497748 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373992357 357061 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994377 929429 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373994448 64850 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 615216 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821318 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbaoccjpdmxnhtnw QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821451 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821529 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821607 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994622 562915 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994622 807674 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994622 807851 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbaoccjpdmxnhtnw JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994622 807935 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994622 808011 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994622 808087 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994809 926878 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373995471 139097 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1373995616 785441 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373995700 883386 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373995979 714593 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373995985 687181 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373995993 805056 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373996007 323369 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6, 21, 107, 47176870, 7.4 × 10^36534 < 1373996008 130455 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373996018 112918 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6, 21, 107, 47176870 < 1373996018 972626 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373996098 600324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 75692 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 75773 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 75852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 283076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996153 173377 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373996187 294863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373996285 771890 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373996369 587706 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373996697 452324 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373996699 632942 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :kmc < 1373996899 114018 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.240.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373997234 609144 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1373997234 876880 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 161700Z 23008KT 15SM FEW040 30/19 A3020 RMK CU1 SLP228 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1373997730 437407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads about Pierre Trudeau < 1373997787 87202 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION senses a great disturbance in the Canadian force < 1373998038 811464 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373998220 436284 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373998296 134069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, have you read enough to determine whether he exists < 1373998303 177393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373998634 79075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played a game called CthulhuMUD. It is very sophisticated, with a large number of skills, spells, professions, and areas available (but a small number of races). A local single-player open-source version (some things are not applicable and would not be implemented, of course), might be interesting to have; in such case, to also have permadeath and real ephemerides. Real ephemerides is what I would want such thing to have. < 1373998674 580035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other MUDs; DoorMUD isn't quite as sophisticated though and not as interesting really. (I found all of these on X-BIT.) < 1373998766 43067 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ephemerides < 1373998766 248914 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In astronomy and celestial navigation, an ephemeris (plural: ephemerides; from the Greek word "diary", "journal") gives the positions of astronomical objects in the sky at a given time or times. < 1373998882 674304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm[5]: Compiling LegalizeIntegerTypes.cpp for Release+Asserts build < 1373998898 876013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are software libraries, such as Swiss Ephemeris, but I don't know that that one would be suitable in this case, since as far as I can tell it does not calculate the rotation of Pluto. < 1373999126 996090 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373999171 697585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be good to have the ephemerides for all the planets and dwarf planets; that way, even if there is nothing on those planets, since it is open-source someone will certainly add stuff onto those planets/dwarf planets including the newly discovered ones. < 1373999791 811312 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373999883 476795 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373999908 309467 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have higher-order moons in our Solar System? like moons orbiting moons orbiting moons orbiting planets and whatnots... < 1373999970 607268 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an asteroid with a moon < 1374000023 823437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know. Maybe it is interesting to know. < 1374000109 722747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick search yields country music: http://www.amazon.com/High-Moon-Order-Betse-Ellis/dp/B00CMYX3J2 < 1374000118 962476 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ↑ is that what you had in mind? < 1374000133 399377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You can? What does that do? < 1374000150 232574 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: next() on that generator please < 1374000238 96320 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck high order moon < 1374000238 366874 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1374000252 863418 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck higher-order moon < 1374000253 69574 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1374000293 402978 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374000303 362035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No. < 1374000304 166912 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysnomia_(moon) < 1374000310 516544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/could-moon-have-moons < 1374000320 430202 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: heh, I was just going to paste that < 1374000350 45705 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_satellite#Satellites_of_satellites source of all knowledge < 1374000367 624979 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rank N moons *could* exist, but they're a kind of grue. (or bleen, if you prefer.) < 1374000372 716081 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A moon’s moon will tend to be a short-lived phenomenon." :( < 1374000386 865449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Universe is a sad, inconsiderate place. < 1374000413 940240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is Finland. < 1374000415 280086 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, speaking of high-order stuff < 1374000416 85289 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_list_of_lists < 1374000453 808681 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes, but finland has also cute TREES. < 1374000457 600572 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed that they don't have a list of lists of lists of lists though < 1374000509 645802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh. < 1374000514 741536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I get for using /last. < 1374000618 494886 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I didn't know about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disambiguation_%28disambiguation%29 < 1374000639 690951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aha. < 1374000670 209803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's /last? < 1374000681 155702 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an irssi command to grep your scrollback. < 1374000701 631769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeran: That's not too surprising. Self-inverse is a pretty odd property. < 1374000714 318930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, rather. < 1374000969 509470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan shachaf is saying things to you about self-inversion, oddities, and properties. < 1374000969 754013 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374001020 590447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1374001021 235263 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1374001030 610477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1374001057 871 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374001940 270161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374002069 172099 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1374002389 483171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help, I click a link to a conal blogpost on #haskell and oerjan is mentione. < 1374002391 362030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d. < 1374002445 631676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, conal is isomorphic to oerjan < 1374003404 334184 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374003795 655637 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1374004100 315463 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374004494 729300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1374004505 582397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32171 < 1374004754 826511 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, finland can't not have its own fermented fish product < 1374004846 769172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have one. < 1374004926 108041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people eat lutefisk (which is kind of nasty too), but even that's not particularly "Finnish", I think. < 1374004930 806406 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374004951 32765 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought it was from Norway? < 1374004973 319712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lutfisk seems to be shared across all the nordic countries < 1374004975 574812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I guess it mostly is, but the other nordic countries partake. < 1374005003 646171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While some enthusiasts[1] claim the dish has been consumed since the time of the Vikings, most[who?] believe that its origins lie in the 16th-century Netherlands.[citation needed]" quality encyclopedia < 1374005034 231737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we even have fermented fish products here... < 1374005046 928708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on a quest to find Canadian Fermented Fish < 1374005101 190509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Fermented Fish" article lists preparations with origins of {Filipino, Egypt, Ancient Roman, Iceland, Korea, Inuit, Japan, Greek, Manipur India, Thailand, Norway, Swedish, Yup'ik} only. < 1374005119 703066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :inuit might apply to parts of canada < 1374005215 154275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's igunaq, but it's from walrus. < 1374005337 509056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia claims Igunaq is not explicitly walrusian. < 1374005342 572370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was the Inuit example.) < 1374005420 117578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does still say "other marine mammals", which makes me wonder what it's doing in the fermented fish article.) < 1374005451 757979 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fine example of the Mysteries of the Great White North. < 1374005509 669341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it means walri (and "other marine mammals") are also fish < 1374005566 237393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they become fish when fermented? < 1374005572 706403 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374005573 785027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be it. < 1374005629 363416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, the Chinese call walri «海象», which are sea elephants. < 1374005674 976902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sea elephant" is just how they write "big fish" < 1374006329 989249 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.240.206 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374006764 700154 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1374006954 242595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i justified in skipping a mailing list thread where even the first message contains the word 'bikeshedding' in the subject < 1374006988 162731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is true and everything is permitted < 1374006995 424707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you can choose the colour of the skipped thread. < 1374007005 664733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my mail client allows that yes < 1374007021 525918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think blue is a nice colour. < 1374007084 555692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blue.bikeshed.com/ < 1374007106 445373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it about rust's awful syntax < 1374007112 343996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1374007140 531526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here read this whole thread and tell me if it's worthwhile, tia https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-July/004804.html < 1374007151 598005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374007168 815461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might still want to watch the thread in case entertaining pointless arguments pop up < 1374007181 468472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is advocating implicit string conversions and varargs as an alternative to presumably-unsafe printf style formatting < 1374007184 415186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Work for me though < 1374007186 830859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo tell them it's all shit < 1374007197 679944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to watch entertaining pointless arguments it'll be something fun on my own time < 1374007204 439272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a macro, not varargs < 1374007205 906832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1374007211 681000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, did not read thread < 1374007216 771635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://violet.bikeshed.com/ I wonder how many color options this site has? < 1374007221 636622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fmt!() is a macro < 1374007224 589010 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the source code, Fiora. < 1374007235 78827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1374007237 797933 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1374007245 591900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiora! < 1374007245 798070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :before reading the thread is the best time to join the bikeshedding, "unbiased by actual information" < 1374007249 564126 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiiii < 1374007251 422851 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitesmoke looks a lot like white < 1374007264 380088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes. they hurt. < 1374007264 647348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitesnake < 1374007279 525243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mediumslateblue.bikeshed.com/ < 1374007286 548929 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... looks more purple than blue < 1374007308 192128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://papayawhip.bikeshed.com good < 1374007311 175713 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks blue ot me < 1374007322 247150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're just purple-biased < 1374007368 295860 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my monitor isn't very good < 1374007369 673110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i like that one elliott < 1374007377 762961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : help, I click a link to a conal blogpost on #haskell and oerjan is mentione. <-- wat < 1374007383 177854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is weird < 1374007386 127729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://violetred.bikeshed.com/ this is teal on firefox < 1374007390 998611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but magenta on chrome o_O < 1374007392 466810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://conal.net/blog/posts/a-handy-generalized-filter < 1374007397 823762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's cyan for me in ff < 1374007399 977608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks magenta to me < 1374007403 727467 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, cyan, yeah < 1374007409 983346 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teal. < 1374007412 971386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use this to defeat user agent snooping :O < 1374007418 978898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er spoofing < 1374007420 379451 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374007420 588670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, it's probably that thing where unrecognized names get interpreted as hex by filtering out non-hex digits < 1374007453 847258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sometimes i really hate the web < 1374007458 760591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :violetred would be eed then < 1374007477 1995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an impressively bad silent failure right there. < 1374007493 529576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://evilbrainjono.net/pages/startup-or-pokemon.py oh gosh, someone linked this at work < 1374007497 195336 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great XD < 1374007505 840220 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the web is great. the web feeds all. the web is like jell-o that is *way* past its best before date. < 1374007521 344198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :web is the little death that obliterates all? < 1374007524 109388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, like the parable of jesus feeding the masses with expired jell-o < 1374007529 378733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 out of 10 < 1374007531 808558 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) < 1374007555 807324 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Twilio is a startup :( < 1374007556 787901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ah yes, like the parable of jesus feeding the masses with expired jell-o < 1374007560 279373 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1074) ah yes, like the parable of jesus feeding the masses with expired jell-o < 1374007569 253140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 out of 10 :'( < 1374007581 342992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Communications power business. Twilio powers communications." < 1374007594 709134 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... it's like a corporate chat thing? < 1374007595 538841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they're reasonably well-known < 1374007596 343677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1374007600 406627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's an API for telephone shit < 1374007610 910795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make/receive calls, send/receive texts, etc < 1374007613 91637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement fone menus < 1374007613 361555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1374007614 459627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get building in minutes with your own twilio phone number. < 1374007614 700334 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8! < 1374007621 335112 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1374007635 776503 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to check the other ones. < 1374007643 918868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374007649 959623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nila is the industry leader in environmentally sustainable, high-brightness LED fixtures durable enough to meet the needs of the harshest production situations. < 1374007658 876865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was kind of dismayed by how many of these i recognized (startups, not pokemon, back in my day there were only 151 pokemon, thanks a lot obama) < 1374007667 287480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me that i was reading the website of this company that did nothing but make fasteners and force sensors and stuff < 1374007674 707600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a few pages on stuff they'd put in mars rovers < 1374007679 577962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know more pokemon >_< I kind of don't know a lot from gen 3 and 4 I think < 1374007712 841349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Habbo I knew from encyclopedia dramatica. And they say you can't learn anything from trolls < 1374007717 667906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pokemon that can be named is not the true pokemon. < 1374007732 941906 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the only true pokemon missingno.? < 1374007743 60677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Explore Freebase Data" freebase is a drug term right < 1374007744 955627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: imo learn about mushrooms instead < 1374007755 816222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going to grow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitocybe_nuda . they're /purple/ < 1374007777 687696 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Freebasing is also the consumption by smoking of free base cocaine (crack cocaine) or heroin." aha < 1374007783 660514 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a gameboy game about mushrooms < 1374007787 853244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that would increase their popularity < 1374007791 360751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could learn about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suillus_granulatus < 1374007799 703635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O dpm < 1374007811 588620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but but can I go on a mushroom adventure and train up my mushrooms to become the mushroom master < 1374007815 424776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374007826 895275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know, but there is the information to write a GameBoy game, if you want to do so. < 1374007831 713995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted < 1374007837 679689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you a mushroom master < 1374007840 632411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1374007851 162150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know all the pokemons either beyond first generation; they often complicate things a bit much < 1374007854 639984 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grilled mushrooms on the bbq... < 1374007858 307623 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION droooools...... < 1374007865 723245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my fairy type pokemon *_* < 1374007878 381999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever grilled any fairy? < 1374007901 634674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms from a fairy ring? < 1374007911 13884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms form a fairy ring? < 1374007965 67996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1374007977 904686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of kinds can grow in rings, I think < 1374008059 624447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a "fairy ring" what a ring of mushrooms is called < 1374008090 127059 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1374008115 677143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so called because they look p. mysterious and people thought they might be the work of fairies < 1374008144 915275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if fairies can't be bbqed, can they be campfired? < 1374008149 248077 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a field of mushrooms is a special type of fairy ring? < 1374008153 268099 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since fields are a type of ring < 1374008156 730065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1374008161 377794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1374008180 603379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps Bike with a fermented marine mammal < 1374008192 627184 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1374008201 527631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, are those fairy rings? we call them witch rings here < 1374008252 30148 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to ferment Bike *slosh* *slosh* *slosh* :D < 1374008264 910246 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"omg , you totally should try trisquel in your PC you will free proud using it ... free as in freedom" < 1374008542 697704 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. There's this certain sentence that Douglas Hofstadter wrote. I remember it was along these lines: < 1374008554 579792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This sentence, despite containing many nonstandard words, is still perfectly possible to comprehend." < 1374008586 171614 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the words were replaced with nonsense words. But I've forgotten the nonsense words and now all I remember is their intended meanings. < 1374008656 595326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This gubblick contains many nonslarkish English flutzpahs, but the overall pluggandisp can be glorked [sic] from context." < 1374008678 704152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(David Moser, quoted by Douglas Hofstadter in his "Metamagical Themas" column in the January 1981 Scientific American.) < 1374008722 572464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's quoted in the "glark" entry of the Jargon File / The New Hacker's Dictionary, which is where I remember it from.) < 1374008749 362671 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374009113 328280 :augur_!~augur@184-49-130-167.washdca.washdc.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374009168 306471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all this talk about nonslarkish meals, I'm hungry. < 1374009175 584674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: *slosh* *slosh* *slosh* < 1374009179 366358 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374009826 983224 :augur_!~augur@184-49-130-167.washdca.washdc.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374010727 742198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess it means walri (and "other marine mammals") are also fish <-- i hope you know that's not an etymologically correct plural hth < 1374011220 202682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw boily left I can't ask what kind of mushrooms they grill < 1374011309 584031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As a form of protest you should use one-variant enums rather than structs whenever you don't care about memory layout. < 1374011378 468917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374011380 614170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1374011398 863883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://blue.bikeshed.com/ <-- ooh nice < 1374011487 573868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the printf bike shedding conversation is more interesting than i thought < 1374011495 706983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they point out that format strings are good for internationalization < 1374011529 927726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a silly thing to hope for < 1374011555 417441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok and then there are some shitty emails < 1374011671 815480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1374011673 962136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to the shitty ones) < 1374011678 55221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1374011825 540036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1374011882 834687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know rustc's name mangling is compatible with g++'s? so you can use c++filt < 1374011919 702332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1374011933 757928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already used c++filt when trying to read rustc-generated code. < 1374011940 310195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code was still confusing. < 1374011988 351145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374012087 540015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes a while to get used to any compiler-thing's generated code. < 1374012191 806122 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374012296 75957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374012307 560219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even gcc < 1374012310 815380 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-94.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374012324 127945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it takes a while to get used to e.g. the output of gcc when the input is the Linux kernel < 1374012625 334755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do some strange things < 1374012672 645523 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1374012691 355189 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1374012718 706243 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374012720 321530 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374013363 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1374014864 228777 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 228888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 228966 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229096 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmexuawhppjkcqwg JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229172 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229246 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229320 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229396 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229551 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229639 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229715 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229811 :banks.freenode.net MODE #esoteric +v Gregor : > 1374014864 257644 NAMES :#esoteric < 1374014892 609968 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374014923 728901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1374014938 999205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1374015243 889672 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Excess Flood < 1374015271 55459 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374015695 519591 :augur_!~augur@184-49-130-167.washdca.washdc.wayport.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374015923 178335 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374016128 74584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If any provision of this Agreement is, or is found to be, unenforceable under applicable law, that will not affect the enforceability of the other provisions of this Agreement. " terms of service are so weird < 1374016416 132966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one that weird? < 1374016482 452420 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's basically saying "in the event some parts of this contract can't hold" < 1374016500 660939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost every contract has that < 1374016512 368134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, i'd never seen it before. < 1374016540 836888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that because it means they have no reason not to just put everything they can think of in there < 1374016554 994378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we'd also like your firstborn if we can get away with it but if not forget we asked" < 1374016565 844950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1374016588 270269 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when i say "weird" i don't mean like, "uncommon", so much as "wow this does not seem like something i personally would think is okay" < 1374016592 370171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i went skydiving I had to sign something to the effect of I would never sue them under any circumstance BUT even if I was able to sue them somehow, damages would be capped at $x < 1374016600 769057 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1374016616 200706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to signatures they also videotaped each of us saying that we agree to x y and z < 1374016627 545555 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1374016632 152914 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they must get a lot of litiggation. < 1374016648 309009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they made us read a summary of a court case where somebody had sued them and lost < 1374016655 582193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1374016672 419046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and affirm that we had read it < 1374016687 509012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I got into an airplane and jumped out of the airplane, while strapped to some other dude < 1374016700 140247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all in all it was a strange day < 1374016726 879759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/why-kotakus-nerd-shaming-article-made-me-uncomfortable here is a url that exists and points to a real document < 1374016755 572018 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, i hope you had fun, both in the airplane jump and in the later eight month legal case < 1374016761 770093 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terms of Service are one of those areas not tested much in courts < 1374016784 483618 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they are, it is usually almost always in favor of users, rather than providers < 1374016816 640835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think I was in more danger in the airplane going up frankly < 1374016948 633678 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright i'm making it time for me to post sci-fi papers again: http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.2196 "Neural Dust: An Ultrasonic, Low Power Solution for Chronic Brain-Machine Interfaces" < 1374016972 84932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the idea is they dump a few thousand micrometer-wide bots into your head to record your brain activity. < 1374016986 140027 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is apparently not insane? < 1374017267 667566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems legit < 1374017335 788685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a simple engineering effort. < 1374017352 572155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374017387 693067 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when i say "bots" i apparently mean a CMOS with an antenna stuck to it. < 1374017636 237497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374017806 868575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, it's based on ultrasound instead of electromagnetics. < 1374017835 237322 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374017844 734824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ggghhhujik < 1374017847 419104 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13ggg10hhhu08jik: Welcome to 03the inte10rnational hub 05for08 esoteric pro05gramming lan13guage design a02nd depl12o07yme09nt! For more14 in09formation, check 13out our wiki: http://es13ol11angs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (F09or the other kind of esoterica, try #es09o03teri05c07 11o06n irc.dal02.ne12t09.09) < 1374017853 328261 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrasound for power is... new to me. < 1374018132 23324 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com QUIT : < 1374018163 40704 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374018555 282578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neat < 1374018669 627738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the circuit is supposed to be 20 µm squared O_o < 1374018678 282590 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should write a CFG- or L-system-generated welcome < 1374018710 875278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no good at electronics but i am under the impression that most ICs are rather larger < 1374018758 341222 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it depends. < 1374018770 743816 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com QUIT : < 1374018776 137638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that that was a process size once upon a time. < 1374018776 941389 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fit hundreds of transistors side by side in 20µm < 1374018784 389157 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all it does is transmit something simple it could be done < 1374018799 586898 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah CPU processes for instance are approaching 10nm < 1374018811 780693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say "once upon a time". :P < 1374018856 497505 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, I have no idea if it can actually be done or how it would actually work, but it doesn't sound completely implausible. < 1374018897 317150 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICs are "large" mostly because they need enough surface area for bond wires (and if you're talking about the physical packages, those are huge for... physical reasons.) < 1374018911 762147 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said i'm no good at electronics! :P < 1374018925 414555 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it's not just a transmitter, it's got to be able to figure out what neurons are doing in the middle of a brain < 1374018928 136455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. noisy environ < 1374018942 229550 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not necessarily. < 1374018966 581735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gotta be able to emit enough information that what the neurons are doing can be figured out. < 1374018978 131582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just echoing the paper, yo < 1374018988 364585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This probably is only doable with the little things actually doing some amount of computation, but hey. < 1374019082 798624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since the power available to the implant has a fixed upper bound (see above), the reduction of extracellular potential amplitude as the neural dust dimensions are scaled down in the presence of biological, thermal, electronic, and mechanical noise (which do not scale), causes the signal-to-noise (SNR) ratio to degrade significantly; this places heavy constraints on the CMOS front-ends for processing and extracting the signal from extremely n