< 1374278425 252969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In C11, you can also try and equally much fail to apply _Alignof to a function. (Being the argument of sizeof, _Alignof and & is the exhaustive list of when the conversion-to-pointer doesn't happen.) < 1374278432 259088 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so even if uintptr_t exists, you can't use it to store pointers? < 1374278438 877623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow that's p. useless < 1374278460 619656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You can use it to store any object pointer, if you go via void *. < 1374278461 693984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably memcpy a pointer to a uintptr_t < 1374278491 466093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pointer can be larger than a uintptr_t, so I don't think so. < 1374278527 803644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the resulting uintptr_t value could presumably be a trap representation. < 1374278541 68253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a p. bad uintptr_t type < 1374278552 354059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that was a "can probably in real life", which is certainly true. < 1374278564 757272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can *store* non-function pointers in a uintptr_t, it'sw just not guaranteed to have at all the same representation. < 1374278579 696894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's merely guaranteed that you can round-trip the cast. < 1374278590 684578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: And it needs to be a void * before the conversion. < 1374278600 403056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles "c pastebin that runs code", gets ideone
< 1374278601 797119 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you google < 1374278618 510600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1374278633 594653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/RnuxoZ I am a really truly terrible awful person < 1374278640 774968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- any valid pointer to void can be converted to this type, then converted back to pointer to void, and the result will compare equal to the original pointer --" < 1374278651 533231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you ever see sizeof.c < 1374278654 257964 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in POSIX you *can* convert void* to/from function pointers. < 1374278656 29558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof.c? < 1374278666 181409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/c/sizeof.c < 1374278678 518100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the puzzle is what does that print < 1374278685 294114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: aww, POSIX adding boring sanity to C again < 1374278694 408841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd... guess... e? < 1374278698 920052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, %d < 1374278704 437518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um.... whatever the ascii for e is < 1374278705 161747 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Necessary for dlsym. :) < 1374278733 188676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it prints 1 < 1374278750 663653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo run it and see < 1374278767 388974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, olsner said it < 1374278791 405139 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work O___O < 1374278794 186649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operator precedence: it's what's for dinner. < 1374278805 840149 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1374278806 46231 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1374278806 251693 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/´\ < 1374278809 364445 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374278810 172184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What's the type of (0)["..."]. < 1374278816 566003 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :char? < 1374278823 817724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is giving it away :'( < 1374278824 621015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the size of char? < 1374278826 791728 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1374278833 82930 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how any time this channel talks about C it makes me want C to die and be replaced with Rust. < 1374278833 351460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There y. g. < 1374278835 591841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this this is because of that.... < 1374278839 628681 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or. really anything else. < 1374278839 834669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :askdjfldfls < 1374278847 479446 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that sizeof is the operator, not sizeof(). < 1374278848 55875 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof being a keyword and not having function semantics -_- < 1374278849 202298 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1374278856 255039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or function syntax < 1374278860 957791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really a syntax thing < 1374278865 321842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof is basically an unary operator. < 1374278867 606794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :synsmeanticosomethign < 1374278870 145128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you should write "sizeof x" and not "sizeof(x)" < 1374278886 148296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1374278897 774835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (sizeof x) perhaps < 1374278906 886639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sizeof x) if needed < 1374278918 419706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a function application in haskell or something < 1374278928 561569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the expression is "sizeof x", and you can put parentheses around it < 1374278942 616569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, for a type, you can think of it as "sizeof (T)" imo < 1374278949 157145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "(T)" is like a cast or something?? i don't know < 1374278954 784948 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1374278998 879411 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is kind of clueless at C really
< 1374279011 86289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like types like to have round things around them, that's why the compound-literal syntax is also (T){ initializer }. < 1374279031 408524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like crazies and padded walls, y'see. < 1374279079 566757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374279088 251467 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this C ever come up in practice, fiora < 1374279098 258966 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374279102 341532 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can't look at the .c for some reason. very mysterious. < 1374279105 538527 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I don't know < 1374279118 192716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1374279149 511927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1374279154 603182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure this is a tmux bug < 1374279158 462494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lecturer at the university told us you declare a floating-point variable called "x" in C by writing the statement "c real;". < 1374279173 718294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, Fortran, what's the difference really. < 1374279181 66535 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, lies. < 1374279186 170690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He was kind of a Pascal guy at heart, I think; but it was a C course.) < 1374279207 350294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elcamino real; < 1374279213 434162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I mean, "x real;". It wasn't a *blatant* lie. < 1374279221 747043 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally some BASIC code once when I was trying to teach Ada < 1374279227 676866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it is. < 1374279246 297002 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The floats are not even a subset of the reals. < 1374279272 510195 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define c float, #define real x, problem solved < 1374279278 676319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, "blatant" as in "completely obvious" (if you didn't know any C). < 1374279304 70875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somehow don't know a thing about floats. < 1374279321 183540 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that floating point values in general are not subsets of the reals. < 1374279322 253088 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well he'd hardly be alone in conflating floats and reals :/ < 1374279330 137854 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Even so. < 1374279345 261272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɪ ʀᴇᴀʟʟy ᴛʜɪɴᴋ yᴏᴜ ꜱʜᴏᴜʟᴅ ɪɴᴠᴇꜱᴛ ɪɴ ɢᴏᴀᴛꜱ, ᴋᴍᴄ < 1374279347 992851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could know a thing about floats and still think "real" is just the name given to them in a language. < 1374279353 663753 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1374279361 465926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the language itself would lie. < 1374279362 841826 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horribly. < 1374279373 597143 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also rants against decimal float literals, so.
< 1374279407 633562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, zomplex... there's a real type for real men. Er, I mean, complex type. < 1374279426 620922 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember kids, 0.1 is not representable as a float. :) < 1374279445 521985 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a decimal float!! < 1374279446 861803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base-10 floats are perfectly legal, though. < 1374279456 89411 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming binary floats, sorry. < 1374279457 220948 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how much is a reasonable amount to invest in goats? < 1374279467 480478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: all of it hth < 1374279468 289370 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you use base 10 floats then decimal float literals are utterly reasonable. < 1374279491 354371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :('zomplex' is the double-precision variant of 'complex' in some SGI things, among others.) < 1374279522 559887 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we need is binary float literals < 1374279523 671542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess 'domplex' sounded too silly?) < 1374279531 553322 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hex float literals are a thing. < 1374279554 580100 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated, 1s and 0s 101ever. < 1374279570 897898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the exponent (of 2) in decimal, which is slightly strange, if reasonable. < 1374279571 969161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five-ever? < 1374279594 136461 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Strange, sure, but *shrug* < 1374279600 839255 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :five ever, yes. < 1374279612 917959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like forever but longer? < 1374279616 710461 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that it's got a definite mapping to a particular float. < 1374279623 253159 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: obviously. < 1374279640 91340 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a way that doesn't make people assume decimal fractional representations work sanely. < 1374279687 266484 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i understand. i've read the papers on reading and writing decimal floats, they are appropriately horrifying < 1374279758 143484 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374279840 791341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange quirk: even if FLT_RADIX is 10, and it's representable, decimal floating-point constants don't have to yield the exact value. < 1374279855 25895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hex floats do, if FLT_RADIX is 2.) < 1374279868 317205 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq's influence no doubt. < 1374279892 701621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Radix of 10 but represented with a binary value would do it. < 1374279895 810617 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The value is 2 on all machines we know of except the IBM 360 and derivatives. " @_@ what did the IBM 360 do? < 1374279920 322496 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Decimal floats. < 1374279928 855116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a system where FLT_RADIX is < 1374279929 888643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 (IBM/360)" < 1374279936 519470 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1374279939 320479 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION flails confusedly
< 1374279941 807844 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374279943 509329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/html/fortran@gcc.gnu.org/2006-09/msg01338.html I found this? < 1374279954 226329 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not the *craziest* possible, but... < 1374279955 868934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that "IBM 360 and derivatives" is a 50 year product line that continues to this day < 1374279956 709062 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v6r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zvm.v610.edclv/floath.htm and this < 1374279967 304797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it like... what does it mean to be 16? < 1374279993 920102 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibm 360 succeeded by the ibm one < 1374279999 811787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1374280000 17404 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiiiiiike XD < 1374280026 965140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My calculator does decimal floats, but there's no C on it. < 1374280035 584599 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Floats are of the form xxx * 16^yyy < 1374280117 981475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that, like, functionally different from the 2-base? < 1374280130 289331 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like um. why would they do it that way < 1374280202 205375 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374280202 411210 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374280202 411307 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374280242 806295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you be sure of that < 1374280327 886016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: About the "no C" part? I guess not; I mean, it's already untrue in the sense that I'm sure you can get code compiled with SDCC run on it; but I'm not aware of any C that'd use the (ROM) routines for decimal floats to implement a floating-point type. < 1374280372 65931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: maybe it's something like in base-2 floats you can multiply/divide by two by changing the exponent, but in base-16 you can only change by a factor of 16 < 1374280408 289137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it have like, the same range of representable values ? < 1374280458 744655 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could change the bias of the exponent, i guess < 1374280471 665722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have a different range-vs-precision tradeoff for a particular number of bits for mantissa/exponent, at least. < 1374280540 764007 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be like a hexadecimal float or something super weird? < 1374280555 872861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like that's exactly what it is < 1374280607 471574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: adjunctions are p. nifty imo < 1374280625 632719 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems mildly pointless, obviously any 16 float can be converted to a 2 float by adding four to the exponent < 1374280754 121927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplying by 4, I think < 1374280759 18474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ITYM multiplying by fo... rrrr. < 1374280806 430625 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, yes. < 1374280957 648769 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374281037 467557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TI-86 floats: 14 packed BCD digits in 7 bytes, followed by a 2-byte binary-encoded exponent of 10, and one full byte of flags; so it's the same size as the "native" x87 80-bit format.) < 1374281065 708849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1374281132 262068 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since becoming employed, I have been disappearing from the world of IRC < 1374281151 753598 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to do IRC as a part-time job now < 1374281157 957918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ain't payin' < 1374281167 118571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc pays attention < 1374281169 847885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the rest of us < 1374281174 444100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exponent is also unsigned 16-bit with a bias of 0xFC00, so it has a range of -64512..1023 -- except only -999..999 are valid. < 1374281175 531357 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's not my only service < 1374281177 444700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: adjunctions are p. nifty imo < 1374281179 321691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1374281181 732681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unscrolled < 1374281182 815747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard that < 1374281184 193849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only irc currency that counts < 1374281192 74437 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sux < 1374281308 295513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that the same as like, TI-83 and TI-89? < 1374281308 956619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: They're also really slow. (Even taking into account the fact that it's all in software; the ROM code to do math on them isn't very OPTOMIZED.) < 1374281328 867151 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the ibm 360 was OPTOMIZED to hell, man :( < 1374281336 297006 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the time) < 1374281375 710255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been state of the art 50 years ago < 1374281388 108853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I'd wager a guess that the -83 at least has same floats. I don't know about -89, since it has a whole 'nother CPU in it. < 1374281455 903979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TI-8x are Z80 systems for the most part, but the TI-89 has a 68k in it.) < 1374281542 634927 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1374281577 585365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -89 is like they took the guts of the -92 but fit it in the -8x series form factor. < 1374281680 362953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's a crying shame they didn't stick an eZ80 in that new color TI-84 silver plus C super turbo street fighter edition. < 1374281798 383272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is "super turbo street fighter edition" from? < 1374281804 419557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a long forgotten meme < 1374281806 328906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of some kind < 1374281923 244410 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374282244 680411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Street Fighter series of games; there was (among others) Street Fighter, Street Fighter II, Super Street Fighter II, and finally Super Street Fighter II Turbo. < 1374282284 635739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And apparently a Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix in 2008.) < 1374282294 473949 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Street Fighter II franchise < 1374282320 236898 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they almost didn't rebooted it < 1374282342 153214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the Hyper Street Fighter II on the PS2 in 2003, apparently.) < 1374282350 361412 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sf3 afaik was a disappointment in popularity so they gave up < 1374282351 702084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all have a subtitle after tha name, too. < 1374282418 659235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Street Fighter II: The World Warrior; Street Fighter II: Champion Edition; Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting; Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers; Super Street Fighter II Turbo: Grand Master Challenge.) < 1374282507 486648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1374282536 428684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, the ridiculosity of the evolution of * -> * II -> Super * II -> Super * II Turbo made it the butt of some good-natured ribbing, I'd say. < 1374282580 808481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374282594 231550 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts don't have ribs in them......... < 1374282712 512338 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374282837 300112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In re sizeof.c from before -- int n = sizeof(0)<:"abcdefghij":>; /* even sillier */ < 1374282863 107389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that do < 1374282868 737785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same thing. < 1374282885 799334 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't see the original thing :< < 1374282889 593746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with <: and :> digraphs in place of [ and ], because, I mean, really, who has a character set with [] in it, that's so baroque? < 1374282902 794022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprisingly 1 instead of 'e'. < 1374282905 207347 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I didn't know C had digraphs. < 1374282908 197510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is mozilla a non-profit? < 1374283009 437608 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :digraphs : still in C because there's some dude from IBM in the standards panel :( < 1374283044 613190 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374283060 490600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has six digraphs (<: :> <% %> %: %:%: standing for [ ] { } # ##) and nine trigraphs (??= ??( ??/ ??) ??' ??< ??! ??> ??- standing for # [ \ ] ^ { | } ~) and of course the digraphs are treated in a whole another translation phase and manner. < 1374283097 29743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The digraphs are not replaced inside string literals or anything, they're just tokens that are aliases for other tokens. < 1374283120 220974 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you ebcdick < 1374283640 137643 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374283676 526236 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374283706 697235 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374283795 182553 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there so many text encodings < 1374283807 342060 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are so many texts? < 1374283913 418847 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad.exe still doesn't support LF only < 1374283936 769089 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anything from the unix world still looks like vomit in notepad :( < 1374283960 240170 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374283999 764618 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad++ should work though! < 1374284011 252439 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah except it sucks < 1374284031 628389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1374284048 806753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something else I should be using...? < 1374284054 868881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374284091 468391 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374284127 451084 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : I wish I nkew < 1374284130 433533 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew < 1374284145 696162 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed, obviously < 1374284171 178533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: The version of the MS-DOS edit program used with Windows does support LF only, though. < 1374284197 713057 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1374284219 660233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the file is save using CRLF. < 1374284231 712562 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, notepad++ isn't bad actually < 1374284237 123533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any new levels in Potion of Confusing? < 1374284246 717920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No I haven't worked on that yet. < 1374284256 202695 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have notepad's best feature (being lightweight and loading fast) < 1374284289 57418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I agree. < 1374284290 934525 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on a language for ultrazeux < 1374284300 913129 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could do something like emacs server for notepad++. < 1374284306 81615 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez it loads in like I don't think I could even measure it < 1374284315 786070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I have also work on ideas for UltraZeux too a lot! < 1374284325 734250 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears like, literally the instant I click the icon < 1374284340 459138 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a planck time < 1374284361 448476 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : I have an interesting draft... < 1374284404 925829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I have a lot of ideas for UltraZeux. One is that the world file can contain more than one character set, that they are two planes, that the character height can be set per world file, that the only built-ins are empty, player, and robots and that everything else is defined in a "format file" written in Forth (including most of the Robotic commands!), have true sprite support, ... < 1374284435 281514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That there are different character sets used for different purpose; robots are fixed to one but primitives can use all four, for example. < 1374284488 329164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of an object is a byte, although for a robot, the kind and parameter are used together so that you do not have the limit of robots as much as in MegaZeux; the limit instead then depends on the number of primitives (each kind of primitive reduces the number of robots per board by 256) < 1374284495 650171 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : Here's some example code I've come up with < 1374284500 208097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would then be a default format file. < 1374284500 474811 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : http://pastebin.com/CayQX28L < 1374284523 431107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a raw link? That would be better. < 1374284569 157859 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CayQX28L < 1374284574 196938 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1374284599 100386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are better since it loads much faster and doesn't require to open the web browser at first. < 1374284654 568768 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aiming 2d "retro" games < 1374284676 950062 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going for spitesets and tilesets instead of just character sets < 1374284687 92881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too, kind of. < 1374284705 111522 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite decided on infinite layers yet tho < 1374284713 189236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still using many similarity to MegaZeux, although things like gems and so on are defined in the format file rather than being built-in. < 1374284742 93560 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for gems and so on I'd use some version of "copyrobot" < 1374284757 660381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my kind of UltraZeux and it is different than yours, but does have spritesets and tilesets < 1374284767 386173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: That works terribly. < 1374284769 281703 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it copies a robot from some extra hidden template board < 1374284784 137747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least that is better than how it works in MegaZeux. < 1374284788 429555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a copyrobot as much as a robot that doesn't have its own code < 1374284811 328370 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so if you edit its code you're actually editing the code of all robots of that kind < 1374284844 756188 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it would probably have "instance settings" which are just different startup settings for the local variables < 1374284875 298842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't like that much; I think the primitives (as well as a large number of other things) should be defined in a format file, written in Forth, and then they have a parameter. So, they don't take up as much memory as a robot or anything, and without all of the stuff like a robot has. < 1374284879 629788 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could parametrize the instances of that robot kindof like how you could set object parameters < 1374284916 45528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words it is simpler, but not suitable for some things. In addition, primitives would be synchronous while robots are asynchronous. < 1374284936 715800 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for everything synchronous still < 1374284949 575830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do also have the idea that you can have a set of programs separate from each individual robot; that still helps. < 1374284964 752609 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multithreading is nice but for a GCS I don't think the extra speed is worth the extra complexity < 1374284966 974815 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374285013 437008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the Robotic commands would be defined in the format file too, and there would be a standard format file and character sets included. < 1374285013 704266 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have some kind of execution-order "z" variable per robot < 1374285029 399108 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on each frame it sorts the robots per z and executes them in that order < 1374285059 651474 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for just C++ style functions instead of redefinable commands < 1374285071 627217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374285087 807421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374285088 219131 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiple "threads" per robot < 1374285098 432171 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly to deal with animation and display < 1374285123 63917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is another way, but I don't really like that way much. I happen to like the way that MegaZeux is working mostly, although some things could be changed; each robot would have only one thread, not multiple. < 1374285188 432368 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in the example code I've pasted, you can see 2 threads (::main, ::invinco) and a function (:flip()) < 1374285212 313527 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ::invinco thread deals only with invincibility after getting hit < 1374285229 821227 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implements blinking < 1374285253 394793 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there would be an ::anim thread for doing animations < 1374285269 444019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each primitive would have associated some attributes and some events; some attributes are built-in while others can be user-defined (not al of MegaZeux's attributes are built-in). There are also some parameters of the kind such as dialog number (although these are defined in the format file), character and font number, color setting, and how to decide by the parameter and other things to change the character/color (if applicable). < 1374285277 832148 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a ::display thread that would normally have standard sprite display code, but you can override it < 1374285279 710402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a bitfield designed which would do these things. < 1374285325 232777 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you deal with pixel scrolling? < 1374285329 972187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like the model used in MegaZeux (and ZZT) where a robot is basically just a script of commands with asynchronous events, and that these commands can be boxes of text opened up. < 1374285357 237989 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :megazeux is kindof synchronous < 1374285402 769712 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-object simpultaneous synchronous :D < 1374285454 290259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Pixel scrolling can still be a command; to move sprites by pixel by pixel, you can place sprites on the sprite layer in the editor or dynamically, and then those can be robots too, or primitive sprites (although they would need to be programmed differently than primitive tiles). < 1374285500 736558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To scroll the screen by pixel it can be a built-in registers, which can be affected by writing into it by Forth and the format file can provide a command to Robotic which can do this or so on, or the format file can make it automatically scroll the window instead, or whatever < 1374285519 574198 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your design is a kind of mzx 3 right? :D < 1374285529 368350 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it extends megazeux? < 1374285564 275162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Kind of, although many things are gotten rid of and completely rewritten, so things are defined in the format file instead of built-in, allowing many new things to be done. < 1374285591 278211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't compatible with any other MegaZeux, though, since it is an entirely new system, just with a few things from MegaZeux (and ZZT). < 1374285635 772262 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd use 32bit floats as default variable type :D < 1374285642 781335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of text encodings because making a single text encoding that works for all text is incredibly hard, not to mention an organizational and political nightmare < 1374285647 651015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use 32-bit integers instead. < 1374285712 398501 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I'm focusing on sprite movement < 1374285717 491861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the screen model has three layers, the tile layer, sprite layer, and dialog layer. The board has different layers though; the under layer, normal layer, overlay layer, and sprite layer. < 1374285718 830823 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that benefits from floats < 1374285734 574450 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can have a velocity of 0.2 pixels per frame < 1374285752 575281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there would still be floats, but integers are default at least in Forth. < 1374285771 349865 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably just not even have integers < 1374285772 156928 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.2 pixels isn't a very good quality to store in a float `-` < 1374285778 592301 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantity* < 1374285790 567507 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : .2 pixels per frame < 1374285809 513745 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after 60 frames that becomes 12 pixels :D < 1374285813 152988 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, it can't even be represented in binary floating point. < 1374285820 436955 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1374285825 147368 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 12 pixels then :D < 1374285830 91469 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be more like 11.998198117. < 1374285834 914968 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good number of pixels < 1374285893 576872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things are still built-in for speed and simplicity but can still be customized; for example, there is still the board window, status window, message window, etc although all of them can be customized in a large number of ways by the format file (and it can expose some of its parameters to the editor and/or Robotic programs). < 1374285901 421030 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could pick a "planck length" fraction of pixels and then store velocities/positions/whatever as multiples of that (as integers). < 1374285930 626815 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good plan because it involves "planck". < 1374285956 153111 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what SNES games did < 1374285962 656983 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use fixed point everywhere < 1374285964 841844 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can use fixed-point arithmetic to take advantage of fixed-point theorems < 1374285977 551832 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fan of floating point though :D < 1374285986 784763 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fast, it's useful, I love it :3 < 1374285994 596393 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk < 1374285996 741514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not trying to make the system for game with large number of collisionn sprites, and is mainly I am making the game which mainly uses tiles; for this and other reason, integers are default. < 1374286046 168184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, world files would be compressed. < 1374286071 781392 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going with json data for world files < 1374286078 256644 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with boards on different files < 1374286088 793999 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :representing numbers as polynomials: good idea y/y < 1374286094 996470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going with binary. < 1374286105 845532 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it merges on SVN and you can easily do a game in team :D < 1374286132 37486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Your idea can work, but it is really not like Zeux/MegaZeux/UltraZeux at all so it shouldn't be called like that either < 1374286162 682504 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kindof stealing the best ideas from megazeux but targetting SNES style tiled games yeah < 1374286182 362674 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the platform/rpg/adventure/shmup quatuor < 1374286234 688890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Then if you still want to call it Zeux, perhaps "SuperZeux" is better? Since, it is like SuperNES and MegaZeux. < 1374286266 584693 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1374286271 298944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In some cases. I have once written a set of functions for dealing with polynomials of a single variable in Visual Basic for Applications. < 1374286298 172554 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the working title ATM is "CompoWinner" :D < 1374286304 115417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most recently these days I am doing things related to Z-machine. < 1374286316 585676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well, I suppose it is good enough for a codename. < 1374286337 530695 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also targetting OpenGL output for gfx < 1374286426 840267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try to write a intermediate language representation for Z-machine, so that I can write a compiler. (I have already written two Z-machine interpreters and a Z-machine assembler.) < 1374286482 536433 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I want to make the language compilable < 1374286498 721755 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no dynamic typing, no garbage collection... < 1374286552 223772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What do you compile into? LLVM? SNES? < 1374286560 617201 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not SNES < 1374286585 916214 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably have to use integer for that kind of platform :D < 1374286605 182797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to compile into LLVM, or into C, or C++, or what? < 1374286614 833970 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not decided yet < 1374286624 377017 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LLVM would definitively make sense < 1374286638 424334 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ too < 1374286661 129100 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("output a C++, compile it and put it on the appstore!") < 1374286799 135863 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not sure how I'd deal with slopes either < 1374287302 237669 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-137.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374287306 528072 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374287829 873318 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of zzo, somehow http://sprunge.us/EdJi < 1374287832 552669 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374288064 502600 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solitaire speedrun < 1374288151 317005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for the hardest of the core < 1374288744 450473 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez i missed exciting megazeux conversation < 1374288833 694029 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo if you're going to make "something like megazeux" don't make the same mistake megazeux made and invent your own dumb language < 1374288837 825062 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use lua or whatever jeez < 1374288871 217693 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah perhaps < 1374288891 704175 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho I'm not sure anything is really adapted < 1374288946 248003 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitively not sold on dynamic typing < 1374288996 7727 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the lua coroutine system would have to be wrapped < 1374289005 930674 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 based arrays rub me the wrong way < 1374289016 789612 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digitalmzx.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13647 pretty excellent < 1374289080 520065 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why people complain about 1 based arrays :( < 1374289151 330611 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks 2d addressing < 1374289221 225800 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily just use 0-indexed tables for that < 1374289247 395765 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that breaks the "number of things in this array" operator no? < 1374289276 846797 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, but would that even make sense when 2d addressing stuff < 1374289381 85685 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have #t be the height and #t[1] be the width of your 2d thing (if it were 1-indexed) but it's pretty hackish < 1374289428 201902 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also begin/end < 1374290610 56867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gwern.net/DNB%20FAQ#flaws-in-mainstream-science-and-psychology anyone ever get the feeling we're doomed < 1374290648 462268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell is the worst channel < 1374290786 309355 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's the worst < 1374290795 518720 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about ##c? < 1374290866 411398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: only every day < 1374290956 461755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, madbr: no use scheme < 1374290998 908700 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :science still progresses. the rate at which it progresses is a sociological problem. < 1374291014 679881 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about all these other problems < 1374291202 783558 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have vested interests and this introduces cognitive biases, and it turns out that hard problems are hard < 1374291303 9306 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad research being done and published is a problem that may slow down some areas of a research to a crawl, but it's not dead yet, so to speak. < 1374291541 820581 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think policy-makers with economic investment have any interest in the rate of actual progress. < 1374291555 324481 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, sociological problem. Why not. < 1374291592 468850 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, «Young’s 2008 Everything is Dangerous remarks that 80-90% of epidemiology’s claims do not replicate (eg. the NIH ran 20 randomized-controlled-trials of claims, and only 1 replicated)» < 1374291665 936828 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : what sort of features does schemes that are useful for video games? < 1374291668 987676 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374291680 851697 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kmc : what sort of features does scheme have that are useful for video games? < 1374291801 552312 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so science is running >20x slower than it could be < 1374291820 416851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably none < 1374291828 559249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than just being a good language < 1374291831 240437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a way to characterize it but i'm not sure how good a characterization it is < 1374291858 564311 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of software engineering. Rush to the finish line and you'll end up rewriting everything a few times. < 1374291891 995746 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan it out carefully and intentionally from the beginning, make progress faster in the long term. < 1374292506 486096 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :science is hard kids < 1374292651 2968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically like, if bad reproducability due to the way journals work, and stuff like that, is "sociological", you might as well call a linux bug "sociological" because with a better society it wouldn't have arisen? < 1374292936 317791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://keen.io/blog/46856249197/keen-io-releases-api-for-dev-null < 1374292985 564796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it actually writes to /dev/null or if it just ignores it
< 1374293014 275957 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-author of The Stringularity < 1374293026 984448 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit tautological to say that problems are sociological problems. They involve humans. < 1374293055 227358 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonetheless, some people don't think of science, math, etc. as fundamentally sociological processes. < 1374293061 208632 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: https://api.keen.io/dev/null < 1374293104 336609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are, but again so is software development, which doesn't stop people from quite reasonably describing problems in specific non-sociological ways usefully. < 1374293194 496599 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, people putting system("PAUSE") in their scripts is a sociological problem in that the society hasn't informed them that they shouldn't, but it's also a problem in that like... you shouldn't do that. < 1374293198 685413 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for dumb p<.05? < 1374293208 139454 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"state doesn’t scale" hahahahahaha < 1374293573 254183 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374293632 456282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't i do that < 1374293640 556423 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374293640 762176 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374293640 762300 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374293650 55937 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, people complain about it. < 1374293692 614570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert your own actual problem if you want < 1374293720 507250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is a sociological problem < 1374293908 193773 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is making web development run >20x slower than it could be < 1374294062 761630 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374294217 877765 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374294400 319700 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374294753 44744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about that < 1374294804 759535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think development in PHP is pretty rapid < 1374294886 186295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you crash & explode < 1374294977 342198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess haskell in comparison would be something like continental drift. < 1374295280 795980 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :continental motion is very respectable. < 1374295529 561720 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like those nasty fast car things. < 1374295812 860625 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1374296238 90118 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :software engineering is communication between software engineers < 1374296782 78629 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374296818 325748 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374296925 260941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should add my /bin/ls quote to the faq!! < 1374296972 439004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is true that PHP isn't very good. There are other programming languages such as C. I might rewrite some of these program in C, at some time, to make them faster. < 1374296990 414009 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really market that shachaf brand. < 1374297003 185410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: totally, man < 1374297008 54631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, bicycle < 1374297010 467554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally, bicycle < 1374297028 256055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth < 1374297215 322003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have added Lua into MegaZeux, but really it isn't necessary, and the built-in Robotic is more than enough, and works better for some of the kind of things anyways. < 1374297275 847929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, such as switching between states and displaying menus of options, mainly. < 1374297439 23145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :General-purpose programming language don't really work well for that. I have added support for Forth, although that is in a separate file and runs differently; it is executed according to events it defines, and in the editor, etc. You would still use Robotic codes too, despite this. < 1374298337 87639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is your /bin/ls quote? < 1374298353 13422 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote IO < 1374298355 203392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 26) pikhq: A lunar nation is totally pointless. ehird: consider low-gravity porn fungebob: OK. Now I'm convinced. \ 28) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quot < 1374298359 528157 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bin/ls < 1374298360 868233 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374298368 448062 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote bin/ls < 1374298368 714868 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf says: getLine :: IO String contains a String in the same way that /bin/ls contains a list of files < 1374298873 529409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374299041 745088 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374299177 568368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374300620 143966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using 8.9GB of memory right now < 1374300638 956806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whoever thinks that 8GB ought to be enough for anyone was clearly mistaken < 1374300935 21763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no I played this game and now my (character's) head is broken < 1374301060 391261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/hAK5IsX.gif here is what concrete does when you put a lot of weight on it. < 1374305036 467195 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374306635 956728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374306651 758049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is that figure without the file caches and stuff? < 1374306663 895785 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374306916 345383 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374307483 844247 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:#esoteric < 1374311433 851588 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311433 851730 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311433 851869 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311449 60511 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311665 790249 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1374311709 260804 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311850 331165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Szczecin? Oh, Poland, you and your city names... < 1374311936 18321 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311949 592962 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374311983 491333 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374312005 961138 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374312284 785956 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1374312285 61518 :neena_!~neena@codesurfers.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1374312285 469442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1374312287 976618 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1374312700 872855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What are some good Haskell exercises? < 1374312715 739764 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FixMuNu? :-P < 1374312722 155276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's a good one. < 1374312738 963408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazaar < 1374312742 185091 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry-Howard < 1374312748 264157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the whole Yoneda business is good -- I think I gave you those exercises too once? < 1374312750 430601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m just listing things i have done (and found interesting) < 1374312759 193846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was talk about it but i never got started with that. < 1374312759 902617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Bazaar is good, I suppose. FunList etc. < 1374312764 323444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curry-Howard what? < 1374312884 545618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a good set of exercises for Codensity etc. < 1374312891 624847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think ezyang's version really works that well. < 1374312895 289982 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked misc. logical expressions, some valid and some invalid, converted them to Haskell types and wrote “proofs” for them as Haskell expressions or convinced myself one can’t be written. < 1374312905 670090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sure. < 1374312938 455164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, and LEM<->callCC/etc. is probably a good one. < 1374313085 201757 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds interesting. Are you going to post these exercies somewhere? I’d like to take a look. < 1374313114 119183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1374313137 18542 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, everything i haven’t done yet. Yoneda, Codensity, LEM/callCC < 1374313160 476053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, didn't you do the Yoneda thing? < 1374313183 254563 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interactive tutorial with lecture segments an editor/interpreter/checker for exercises would be cool. < 1374313187 281853 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1374313262 125215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that "and" is correcting the previous line. < 1374313265 333681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1374313285 75516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Pretend you had: callCC :: ((a -> b) -> a) -> a (figure out why that type makes sense for callCC, I guess). Write: lem :: Either (Not a) a < 1374313349 169071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember doing some figuring-out-Yoneda, but i should do more. I don’t remember much more than that one of Yoneda/CoYoneda was like a partially applied fmap. < 1374314116 633293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: <#haskell> My problem with Python et al is that I know enough to understand that its not "real" programming and that is causing me to baulk. < 1374314128 734739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly this isn't a regular, just a, uh, someone. < 1374315067 763548 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me tell you a story about a real programmer < 1374315097 716812 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should start a shit#haskellsays twitter/tumblr/thing < 1374315154 428967 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's an irc channel for that < 1374315494 13916 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit#shit#haskellsayssays < 1374315680 829316 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Mel? < 1374315723 828498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never melatonin I didn't like. < 1374315837 131754 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you please try to follow my finger with your eye? http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3051#comic < 1374316552 278463 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1374318167 964437 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1374318220 648789 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374318860 67994 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1374318887 560467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374319271 57766 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1374320651 139726 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1374321477 21987 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374322448 42522 :stuntaneous!~stuntane@c211-30-196-14.artrmn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374323078 703150 :hogeyui___!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374324474 353152 :hogeyui___!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1374325108 576517 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374325286 293 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1374325297 352971 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1374325312 477762 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374326079 120990 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1374326754 96259 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374326754 371918 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374326754 372073 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374330127 294593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374330388 221550 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1374330505 996642 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374330671 134043 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374330721 362650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ZBAA < 1374330733 810301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. :/ < 1374330881 227992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote metar < 1374330887 202860 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :996) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1374330904 322240 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374330958 470726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's some kind of warning about the effects of metar < 1374331004 153374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend's flying to ZBAA about now, was just curious. < 1374332213 160496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1374332280 138913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's "201430Z 17003MPS 140V200 5000 BR NSC 27/23 Q1004 NOSIG" btw < 1374332683 519132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374333115 832715 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1374333782 255378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374334347 673340 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog [SFM] http://youtu.be/w1j0KEsF6JU < 1374334491 613118 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1374334721 656769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, lies! That's not Prolog at all! < 1374334752 799259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374334800 668428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374334809 452414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it, I'm switching to Quassel < 1374335024 548494 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374335625 270485 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374335628 375689 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374335633 194029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374335649 562490 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374337049 127154 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374337168 133167 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1374337579 127128 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374337589 602593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what "a plate of viinerrine" is? < 1374337767 727325 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1374337786 714715 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1374338931 389584 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Viinerine ? < 1374338991 879322 :VorpalPhone!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1374339040 267183 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374339063 966516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Ah, OK < 1374339163 532990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this game I was playing I found it in Pluto, though, together with some other foods I don't understand, although some are ordinary foods such as coffee, orange juice, and bundle of fruits and vegetables. < 1374339236 194850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they get the foods from various other places? < 1374339313 968635 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374339496 609282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think other places are really far away, though. < 1374339824 278685 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1374340063 257629 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374340451 231781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374340739 38594 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-235-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374340846 795723 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-40-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374341035 92205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.burritophile.com/directory.php?state=CA&city=San+Francisco&sort=high < 1374342595 297479 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Excess Flood < 1374342621 917703 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374343878 115086 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374343884 437811 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374345261 903263 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-40-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374345363 163947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-25.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374345567 995440 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374345663 995350 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374346592 395045 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-25.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1374346711 258438 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-62.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374347057 676716 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my Scandinavia and the Worl's Finland cosplay is ALMOST COMPLETE < 1374347393 76786 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374347498 281021 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1374347557 278579 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374347711 350825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "y" no pics? < 1374347730 285893 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have not attached the blue ribbon to my white shirt < 1374348124 267094 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-61-62.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1374348244 477485 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374348313 7590 :nooodl!~nooodl@211.180-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374349511 38528 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you're the right person to ask: What gopherd do you use? < 1374349558 989379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: One I wrote by myself. It is a prefix-based gopher server. < 1374349617 349144 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the source code available somewhere? < 1374349655 318455 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only found pygopherd and bucktooth so far, so I'm interested in other options < 1374349692 508629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is written in BASIC, so it isn't very good. I have once written one in C too, although I don't have it at this time. < 1374349804 668846 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, thanks anyway < 1374349865 549285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to prefer prefix-based. < 1374349901 780435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember Fable (1996 video game) < 1374349904 100191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1374349922 521155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean for a gopher server to be prefix-based? < 1374349949 539370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The configuration is made by the list of prefixes of the selector strings, to select the files. < 1374350627 341898 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/GOpW5zo.png < 1374350635 838199 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374350803 732630 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374350992 21270 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1374351085 210913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf tmux was already running for hours... < 1374351137 331134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started it with tmux new pine hours ago but my guess is it _still_ started a session with all my usual stuff... < 1374351180 104007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: One hopes that game has a Free license. < 1374351190 271111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sessions don't tell about each other's existence :( < 1374351318 554838 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374351399 89705 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374351425 261692 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374351635 563474 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374352069 904698 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1374352138 502996 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374352202 504138 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374352827 684374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: at 32 oz. each, that's almost 1.3 pecks!! < 1374352923 223930 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374352931 715133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I always really sleepy on the one day a week I don't need to worry about having an early morning tomorrow? < 1374352951 553928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: every morning is early hth < 1374352955 164726 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shamanism < 1374352975 44095 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Sunday mornings happen three hours later than other mornings < 1374352987 264133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shaman < 1374352995 584197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot????? < 1374353002 884800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*13* < 1374353005 164946 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/r13 \ bin/rot13 \ bin/welcome13 < 1374353010 113967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13 shaman < 1374353017 664241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1374353022 444771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/r13 < 1374353023 964235 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1374353029 454367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made r13. < 1374353030 8354 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1374353030 746253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/rot13 < 1374353032 14166 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1374353034 374514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you didn't like how rot13 did what you want here < 1374353040 914580 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374353042 260000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 shaman < 1374353043 614687 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :funzna < 1374353050 54345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome13 Bike < 1374353052 154626 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ovxr: Jrypbzr gb gur vagreangvbany uho sbe rfbgrevp cebtenzzvat ynathntr qrfvta naq qrcyblzrag! Sbe zber vasbezngvba, purpx bhg bhe jvxv: uggc://rfbynatf.bet/jvxv/Znva_Cntr. (Sbe gur bgure xvaq bs rfbgrevpn, gel #rfbgrevp ba vep.qny.arg.) < 1374353056 474754 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, fantastic. < 1374353098 554395 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome13 Inaro < 1374353100 634756 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaneb: Jrypbzr gb gur vagreangvbany uho sbe rfbgrevp cebtenzzvat ynathntr qrfvta naq qrcyblzrag! Sbe zber vasbezngvba, purpx bhg bhe jvxv: uggc://rfbynatf.bet/jvxv/Znva_Cntr. (Sbe gur bgure xvaq bs rfbgrevpn, gel #rfbgrevp ba vep.qny.arg.) < 1374353106 694982 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, so close < 1374353115 786940 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome13 Gnaro < 1374353117 725864 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Jrypbzr gb gur vagreangvbany uho sbe rfbgrevp cebtenzzvat ynathntr qrfvta naq qrcyblzrag! Sbe zber vasbezngvba, purpx bhg bhe jvxv: uggc://rfbynatf.bet/jvxv/Znva_Cntr. (Sbe gur bgure xvaq bs rfbgrevpn, gel #rfbgrevp ba vep.qny.arg.) < 1374353128 814904 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1374353132 945172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @let rot13 = @where rot13 < 1374353133 985902 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1374353142 25633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (rot13 &&& reverse) "gnat" < 1374353145 294788 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("tang","tang") < 1374353156 274743 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is a rot13 anagram for organ < 1374353157 614807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (rot13 &&& reverse) "ravine" -- best word < 1374353161 345669 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1374353164 854316 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374353168 215671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 good 4 lambdabot" < 1374353395 204732 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 lambdabots 1 shachaf" < 1374353402 955415 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1374354050 696960 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Bikes one Bike < 1374354055 121026 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as Three Bikes < 1374354266 606323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hike < 1374354273 397795 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :himc < 1374354313 609504 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374354354 278940 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374354383 994103 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374355425 491999 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374356607 214614 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374359447 543420 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-218.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374359541 794854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374359741 17796 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374359765 228618 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374360627 676012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it not work because of the comment? < 1374361442 67164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374361458 948149 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374362399 58553 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely off topic and spammy: < 1374362406 948638 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need as many souls as I can get to help with a load test in #gifquick < 1374362411 499017 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very grateful if you helped out < 1374362417 128736 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :/offtopic < 1374362421 759959 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-245-98.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any of those < 1374362814 40534 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374363297 170721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i have just one, and it's out of order < 1374363442 300750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :souls are a measure of the value of real estate, right? < 1374363466 708323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in san francsico (the joke is that housing in san francisco is very expensive) < 1374363583 800911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh no did you sell your soul < 1374363586 392913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1374363594 583892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a soul < 1374364098 62687 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds