< 1372636846 689781 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1372636851 450622 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372636856 477586 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1372636905 757023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that may be somewhat random hth < 1372636906 53512 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372636921 425749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it means that did not help hth) < 1372636934 603013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly does < 1372636939 895130 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that there is a full device or sth ..lol? < 1372636949 397793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there is < 1372636954 403376 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1372636965 607035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1372636968 328403 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372636977 206480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdnh < 1372636981 766307 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372636982 152278 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           | < 1372636982 369978 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         o/`¯º < 1372636996 911017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tdnh does not help < 1372637001 590044 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1372637012 570129 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this*? < 1372637030 749608 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the t for? < 1372637039 294243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you don't have the spirit of `? hagb4rd < 1372637049 169738 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372637050 142061 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372637058 798264 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1372637073 870453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it means whatever fits the context hth < 1372637141 765634 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1372637194 252042 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :halfb4rd < 1372637364 589667 :halfb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll consider that < 1372637879 36461 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372638315 37760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1372639574 313540 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does meta-0 cause a list of local hostnames to be printed, and then 's0' input? < 1372639578 540478 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at a shell) < 1372639649 202617 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372639964 28703 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372639981 670461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I bet you like Adámek's theorem! < 1372640126 149534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help how do i get intuition for limits and things that preserve limits and all that < 1372640269 662759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic hth < 1372640339 147390 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372640405 625817 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I love it. < 1372641626 933613 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372641808 194534 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372642145 226803 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372642634 994004 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372643014 882296 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372643163 204439 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have some weird combinators: http://pastebin.ca/2413173 < 1372643321 472103 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they mean, what do they do? < 1372643368 385019 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure cancel's just there to annoy elliott < 1372643593 210527 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would that annoy elliott? < 1372643621 378643 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's a constructo-fascist? < 1372643709 150561 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372643828 734999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT&T Archives: The UNIX Operating System http://youtu.be/tc4ROCJYbm0 < 1372643960 97950 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel (\(\x -> y) -> y) = x < 1372643971 250992 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's a legitimate definition. < 1372644025 11256 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albeit rather silly... < 1372644041 565252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... pattern matches on lambdas? < 1372644092 321752 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1372644117 513076 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's what it does. < 1372644121 362582 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel takes a function, f. < 1372644129 830710 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercancel :: (A -o Bottom) -o A < 1372644136 559878 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercancel (\x -> y) = x < 1372644141 355318 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1372644150 506883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does -o even mean?? < 1372644162 427673 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That function, f :: (A -o Bottom) -o Bottom, will inevitably be called exactly once, with some argument, g :: A -o Bottom. < 1372644172 962159 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In turn, g will inevitably be called exactly once, with some argument x :: A. < 1372644176 352021 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel f returns x. < 1372644186 655792 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it pretty much denotes a function. < 1372644191 648866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this isn't Haskell. What language is it? < 1372644218 459841 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear logic, written like Haskell. < 1372644312 213504 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I got it wrong. < 1372644322 359105 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, *here's* what cancel does. < 1372644380 698756 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel takes a function, f :: (A -o Bottom) -o Bottom. It makes up a function g :: (A -o Bottom) and calls f with it. f will then call g exactly once, with some argument x :: A. < 1372644383 421746 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel f returns x. < 1372644541 855504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically linear logic with continuations? < 1372644571 772036 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, pretty sure this is just plain linear logic. < 1372644594 162841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you can actually construct cancel? < 1372644610 898484 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can prove ((A -o Bottom) -o Bottom) -o A. < 1372644636 902149 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an axiom? < 1372644641 860641 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what axioms do you use to build it? < 1372644662 432950 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, lemme see. ((A -o Bottom) -o Bottom) -o A is defined as... < 1372644665 768437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm linear logic is not intuitionistic-like < 1372644690 267798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is A -o Bottom the same as not A again < 1372644697 399788 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the dual of A, yes. < 1372644705 269019 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372644718 21142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372644803 61723 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing is defined as ~(~(~A | Bottom) | Bottom) | A, which is ((~A | Bottom) * One) | A, which, by units, is ~A | A. < 1372644818 47625 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then you can just do an initial sequence. < 1372644844 388397 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I mean if all you have are axioms and you want to do some natural deduction to get at that < 1372644846 499197 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you do? < 1372644885 705124 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I guess first you use the initial sequent inference rule to get ~A | A. < 1372644912 970833 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, uh... < 1372644935 103285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1372644944 868912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you like fixed points < 1372644946 47023 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372644952 626131 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something complicated involving the cut rule... < 1372644959 70558 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I hate them < 1372644998 867564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: good < 1372645007 220127 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372645012 57242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: can you tell me a haskell type that has more than 2 fixed points but not infinitely many? < 1372645031 65773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a fixed point of a type < 1372645055 637476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Nat is a fixed point of Maybe < 1372645073 440395 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted the "->" in "\x -> y" to be an infix operator whose arguments are \x and y. < 1372645075 481753 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, but perhaps that Tree^7=Tree thing might inspire you? < 1372645086 496672 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 4 < 1372645086 703862 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's because there's a continuous bijection between Nat and Maybe Nat? < 1372645104 107762 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, nevermind < 1372645105 862196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuous? < 1372645124 76190 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous. < 1372645131 533525 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous! < 1372645144 891795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does continuous mean :'( < 1372645158 20916 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inverse image of every closed set is closed. < 1372645158 792583 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the open sets in Maybe < 1372645196 58478 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess all subsets of Nat are open. < 1372645201 223094 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all subsets of Maybe Nat are open, too. < 1372645224 903652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Maybe has more than one fixed point < 1372645227 4757 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :clopen < 1372645238 599506 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have to use the strong topolgy < 1372645254 17219 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subset S of Maybe t is open if and only if the set of x such that Just x is in S is open. < 1372645263 935502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: just clopen your mouth thx < 1372645408 699164 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372645414 172258 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1372645422 26818 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my latest attempt at defining cancel: < 1372645423 108422 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel f = (f (\x -> )) x < 1372645444 37841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1372645448 804485 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but seriously what's a fixed point. < 1372645455 408635 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is it type or type constructor or what. < 1372645460 429638 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno man. i like fixed points . help < 1372645462 924724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hey it's not my fault your mouth is a continuous function :'( < 1372645476 683476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug copumpkin < 1372645476 932668 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1372645488 479746 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :til about linear logic < 1372645496 748222 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic is teh shitznit < 1372645499 518662 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1372645507 155414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A fixed point of F is an X such that X = F(X) < 1372645515 763884 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372645518 29230 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i must sleep < 1372645526 521897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♞ < 1372645533 994142 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1372645535 266233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) < 1372645537 550651 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Nat isn't Nat < 1372645543 850056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: But it's isomorphic. < 1372645544 503130 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure it is < 1372645574 8965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A fixed point of F is an X such that X ≅ F(X) # hth < 1372645574 586881 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, suppose that f = \g -> g 5. Then cancel f = (f (\x -> )) x = ((\g -> g 5) (\x -> )) x = ((\x -> ) 5) x = 5. < 1372645576 447317 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1372645625 152208 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes perfect sense and is absolutely correct. < 1372645652 142290 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372645846 762199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What kind of fixed points do you like? < 1372645875 755616 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that make sense. < 1372645896 71529 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372645899 133946 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :converse f = (f (\g -> x)) (g, (\x -> )) < 1372645916 18403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can represent natural numbers are follows: Nothing, Just Nothing, Just (Just Nothing), ... < 1372645924 521805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/as/ < 1372645983 655679 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1372645990 937596 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has even less to do with Nat. < 1372645997 496107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372646026 497566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an obvious isomorphism to natural numbers. < 1372646028 219003 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were saying that F was Maybe (: * -> *) and X was Nat (: *) < 1372646034 82296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1372646046 998218 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're talking about some other isomorphism for some reason. < 1372646059 289181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am? < 1372646069 105309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing :: Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe ... < 1372646072 916787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Nothing :: Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe ... < 1372646075 684289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just (Just Nothing) :: Maybe (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe ... < 1372646086 12741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That type on the right is a fixed point of Maybe. < 1372646107 630813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular it's the least fixed point of Maybe (let's say). < 1372646117 370542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's obviously isomorphic to Nat. < 1372646144 549158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -o b = (not a) par b = not (a times (not b)) < 1372646216 793682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ((a -o bottom) -o bottom) -o a = not (((a -o bottom) -o bottom) times (not a)) < 1372646256 340526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is (∀r. ((A -> r) -> r) -> r) isomorphic to (A -> Void)? < 1372646258 434417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's another fixed point of Maybe. < 1372646278 584535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the operator in linear logic which corresponds to the bottom of intuitionistic and classical logic, is zero, not bottom, isn't it? < 1372646282 446851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Conat < 1372646286 523451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I.e. Nat + infinity < 1372646293 453241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancel (f, acont) = f acont < 1372646313 392273 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nat + infinity in such a way that you can't tell them apart, of course < 1372646363 392802 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone see my fancy agda with conats? < 1372646408 308133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/copumpkin/4647315 ? < 1372646422 776712 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372646551 415543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should write some Agda. < 1372646553 674660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like fun. < 1372646758 142583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Nu is so great imo < 1372646759 835109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :best type < 1372646764 444750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a bad name < 1372646777 4749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should call Mu Lfix and Nu Gfix................................................! < 1372646785 923477 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Metal a = Metal a < 1372646786 535117 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1372646788 802490 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Nu Metal < 1372646789 394653 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `Nu' < 1372646789 415018 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1372646789 415179 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Num' (imported from Prelude), < 1372646814 970486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foiled again < 1372646823 541242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Nu f = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1372646823 714462 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Illegal data/newtype declaration < 1372646836 743843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, foiled again < 1372646859 846500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey should i read http://bentnib.org/posts/2013-03-29-productive-coprogramming.html y/n < 1372647084 386189 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372647120 738318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i'm already reading it < 1372647145 427379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 l8" < 1372647202 383425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "I'm not sure my syntax doesn't suck." -- that's modal logic hth < 1372647237 458387 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~Necessary(~Sucks(MySyntax))? < 1372647261 640478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1372647300 154826 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can express the function (A & B) -o A in my syntax. < 1372647333 12716 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems pretty straightforward: fst (x | _) = x < 1372647353 562483 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that uses case analysis, which, so far, I haven't actually used at all. < 1372647374 558024 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which suggests that maybe case analysis just isn't necessary ever. < 1372647470 628948 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee, that's the same as (((A -o Bottom) + (B -o Bottom)) -o Bottom) -o A... brb installing relief valves in my brain so it doesn't explode < 1372647526 392358 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372647547 680245 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, yes, the + appears in a positive position there. < 1372647563 587981 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No case analysis necessary. < 1372647569 189878 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weerd < 1372647582 301240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's not case analysis, it's picking an element from a tuple... < 1372647589 565923 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one case. < 1372647602 960557 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicasal case analysis. < 1372647636 725867 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the adjective form of "case" is actually... "capsular"? < 1372647651 718875 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's the other type of case. < 1372647706 68199 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think that would actually be "capsal". < 1372647714 355985 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one would be "casal", yeah. < 1372647896 744723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fst = Left id ? < 1372647920 635684 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be (A -o A) + B. < 1372647958 830993 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1372647996 974916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm just thinking of + as Either < 1372648065 879390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Left is how you construct one < 1372648072 988913 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my syntax is a little bit more explicit. Brackets essentially mean "run this calculation in parallel", and then a period means "this calculation is finished". < 1372648087 717907 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my new definition of cancel: cancel f = [f (\x -> .)] x < 1372648154 12469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh whatever < 1372648165 671042 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that unique to linear logic? it seems like the usual continuationey shit you can do to "prove" LEM? < 1372648180 134128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still do not understand it very well. < 1372648181 967091 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is what unique to linear logic? < 1372648604 946378 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo, implementations of everything: http://pastebin.ca/2413195 < 1372648746 618306 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dot *usually* occurs inside the corresponding pair of brackets. Like, in the definition of cancel, those brackets are defining x, and the corresponding dot comes after \x. < 1372648767 252129 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the only exception is converse, where the brackets are defining g, but the dot comes after \x. < 1372650237 932108 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading "converse" wrong in my head. I'm reading "cónverse", the noun, but it's supposed to be "convérse", the verb. < 1372650296 49400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when is ´ used to indicate emphasis :'( < 1372650302 641564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::´( < 1372650314 398401 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Spanish. < 1372650333 675258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish, more like bad use of acute accentish < 1372650343 202583 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought in english you used ` for that. < 1372650356 272848 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know, right? The Spanish language pretty much consists entirely of bad diacritics. < 1372650386 596764 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word for "penguin" is "pingüino". What the hell? Why is the diaeresis over the first vowel instead of the second? And "üi" is a diphthong there! < 1372650407 927860 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I thought that ` merely indicated that the vowel is pronounced. < 1372650414 647785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p̈ïn̈g̈üïn̈ö < 1372650429 843748 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "learnèd". The stress definitely goes over the "learn", not the "èd". < 1372650474 685033 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess you're right. sucks < 1372650485 743828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i'm not good at categories proofs :'( < 1372650506 370803 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you mostly just say things commute < 1372650523 683660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard bicycles are good for commuting < 1372650531 179149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372650567 879165 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this syntax I came up with is equivalent to any existing syntax. < 1372650633 466137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok at least i follow the proof of lambek's lemma now < 1372650636 192664 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not very good. [(\x -> .) x] is equivalent to "let x = x". But you can't use x afterward, so I guess it's okay. < 1372650647 241218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good lemma < 1372650668 112374 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH. < 1372650714 260266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how nlab has two different proofs of the lemma, one of which is a dual of the other (but written differently). < 1372650715 353739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you seen my agda version of that?! < 1372650726 892921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You forgot to say that things are just duals of other things. < 1372650732 207789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even less work than commutativity. < 1372650740 226942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopumpkin < 1372650750 943891 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'l find that duality is the dual of commutativity. < 1372650766 862100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/copumpkin/categories/blob/master/Categories/Functor/Algebras.agda#L97 ? < 1372650767 776676 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/copumpkin/categories/blob/2d44e3babb5108ea9b6bd5994c21f4a2278525d1/Categories/Functor/Algebras.agda#L97 < 1372650769 913194 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372650782 748443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the commit version better than the master version? < 1372650786 681649 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372650794 133003 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what the search box took me to < 1372650806 417081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: have you considered agda + support for commutative diagrams hth < 1372650812 965316 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1372650830 482353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm patenting the idea hth < 1372650835 737271 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1372650842 253223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius doesn't like commutative diagrams. < 1372650849 269044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when he does? < 1372650857 225283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has he moved to the good coast yet? < 1372650865 802691 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1372650883 666670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do his exercise. < 1372650888 737912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He gave me an exercise. < 1372650900 315618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have seen spoilers while reading nlab... < 1372650929 897842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: That proof looks reasonably straightforward, except for all the Agda noise. < 1372650956 918319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that part looks straightforward too. < 1372650980 849532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact this whole lemma is completely obvious. Why did they bother giving it a name? < 1372651015 23479 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[that formalist quote] < 1372651050 339166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: So now can you get the dual of the lemma for free by telling Agda to, like, dualize the proof and stuff? < 1372651158 382148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: So an initial algebra is also a coalgebra. Is it a special coalgebra in some way? < 1372651176 151691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's initial in the category of coalgebras that are also isomorphisms, but that's not saying much. < 1372651794 21599 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-26-8.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372651950 268807 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it's particularly special, no < 1372651960 477341 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, trying to do something before I go to sleep, not checking IRC much :) < 1372651972 601171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get the dual for free right now but it might be possible to define something that lets you < 1372651976 698129 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't thought about it much < 1372651993 762008 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have various kinds of free duals attached to things < 1372652008 440101 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get an "opposite functor" for free, and obviously an opposite category < 1372652071 894301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Smyth and Plotkin's lemma another name for Lambek's lemma? < 1372652078 633782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it's saying something a bit stronger. < 1372652233 178640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any Haskell library for defining chess variants? < 1372652438 222108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1372652599 77558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I guess it's sort of special in that it gives you an embedding from Mu to Nu, maybe? < 1372652632 413618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell you can do it with Fix without a Functor constraint. It seems to me that Fix is rather fishy, though. < 1372653153 244285 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372653377 78081 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372654249 347599 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372654539 735800 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372654783 51349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok i'm getting annoyed by not knowing things about fixed points < 1372654785 900810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: plz help < 1372654791 439673 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which things < 1372654802 826603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why do they exist < 1372654804 250988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell < 1372654836 207407 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize i know, like, negative amounts of haskellmath. i'll just confuse you worse as i try to figure out what hte fuck you're saying. < 1372654862 374166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1372654865 618911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative haskellmath! < 1372654869 723417 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like virtual species < 1372654872 202248 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372654879 384625 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, probaby < 1372654881 813333 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1372654887 876383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you should do an agda proof that Mu F is an initial F-algebra < 1372654892 394321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ht < 1372654892 800534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1372654899 353927 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how "virtual species" is a combinatoric thing and also a bikeology thing < 1372654951 440713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i would do it but i'd have to, like, learn agda and stuff < 1372654979 886542 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can't define Mu in Agda directly < 1372654996 538093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1372655022 232273 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess your form of it might work < 1372655029 4023 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1372655054 337596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1372655074 714940 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does, I dunno < 1372655076 355839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it out :P < 1372655188 951816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to type those fancy characters. < 1372655196 261155 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :then learn! < 1372655199 121250 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what you do? < 1372655231 353127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? Do I look like a learnin' person to you? < 1372655324 556672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo copumpkin should come to san francisco to talk about agda and categories at bahaskell < 1372655345 173890 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1372655391 202931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe copumpkin isn't cool enough to come to san francisco yet :'( < 1372655412 273659 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not! < 1372655412 326755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that's the main requirement < 1372655431 188135 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people come into #language and "'«challenge'”» everybody to explain why they should use language < 1372655490 275152 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo people tell me why I should use esoteric languages < 1372655504 307357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Wait, is it chord? < 1372655509 10452 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is web-ready and has access to java libraries < 1372655517 463299 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372655541 719344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/13.01.29 < 1372655553 965917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun with chord < 1372655561 765049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fucking great < 1372655592 931509 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how does a functional language like Haskell implement a hash table as an array?" omg < 1372655615 708338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets way better. < 1372655622 497921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More chord fun after you've finished that one: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/13.02.23 < 1372655623 850342 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1372655637 312380 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with this phd crap, what the shit. < 1372655647 347374 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tac has always been skeptical of computational complexity" also < 1372655765 283710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Wait, Zhivago is in ##lisp? < 1372655776 820717 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that fucker's everywhere < 1372655797 477717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of Zhivago as a ##c person < 1372655802 854017 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right. < 1372655853 629792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, y'all in #lisp have a lot of familiar names from various places. < 1372655866 111013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like zRecursive < 1372655869 119973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Bike < 1372655880 714527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Quadrescence < 1372655885 48612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa Man < 1372655903 211346 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay that means I know a famous freenode person? < 1372655913 249196 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the famousest. < 1372655918 304985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Who? < 1372655922 410515 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least three distinct people have heard of me < 1372655942 927819 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike, clearly < 1372655948 433644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Bike's famous? < 1372655960 885104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1372655962 959588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I was responding to what you said < 1372655963 160100 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are rumors that a fourth person has heard of me. < 1372655965 444668 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1372655969 912517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I said familiar. < 1372655977 765316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in I know of them from other places. < 1372655980 218965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in #esoteric. < 1372656086 424423 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ##bike < 1372656098 45650 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bike approved tho < 1372656107 480571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21 [@ChanServ] [ shachaf] < 1372656113 912265 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant in the past < 1372656116 164364 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ##bike past. < 1372657323 426084 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372659007 455168 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372659391 35558 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372659465 43320 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372659569 744130 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1372660304 922245 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372660342 258616 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372661436 102242 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-58-104.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372661516 39542 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372661809 41209 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-51-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372662175 427172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372662332 820520 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372663651 7292 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372665020 431542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a chess problem: White pawns on f2 and e7, king on e6. Black pawn on g5 and king on e8. White to play and win. < 1372665047 92233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you draw it for me? I don't know chess notations. < 1372665287 829275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4k3/4P3/4K3/6p1/8/8/5P2/8 w - - 0 1 is the FEN, you can paste it into any decent program < 1372665379 485113 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372666360 926224 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I have finally found a replacement for Google Reader < 1372666433 910822 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372667083 130597 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372668037 113621 :halfb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: which one? < 1372668047 926690 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazquux < 1372668114 165750 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.bazqux.com < 1372668120 820733 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not free, but I like the interface < 1372668262 25993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in free f-algebra < 1372668483 744595 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in Haskell and Ur/Web, I believe < 1372668506 983328 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :because RSS feeds are surprisingly computationally expensive, whatwithallthe parsing. < 1372668531 83743 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least such that a static compiled language would have some advantage, probably, or something. < 1372668536 553241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's the dual of CodensityAsk? < 1372668542 733992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More commonly known as Free.) < 1372668598 229288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know if there is clearly the dual..... < 1372668598 828248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a cofree comonad a cofree f-coalgebra? < 1372668613 718140 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drinks some ffee < 1372668620 887068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CofreeComonad f a = exists x. (x, x -> (a, f x)) < 1372668709 886775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe Cofree (Coalgebra F) = CofreeComonad F? < 1372668737 192024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1372668746 459522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe CofreeComonad f a = exists x. (a, x, x -> f x) < 1372668749 944674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense! < 1372668771 428123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait. < 1372668775 437693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it makes no sense. < 1372668808 255970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you express CofreeComonad without the ugly functor composition? < 1372668846 259116 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dangerously difficult to distinguish between sense and nonsense in this area < 1372668870 925866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there are two things known as Free, and CodensityAsk is different anyways because it does not take a class as its parameter. < 1372668887 21915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all three of these things are related. < 1372668892 584033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about newtype Free f a = Free { runFree :: forall r. f r -> (a -> r) -> r } < 1372668941 683873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that one is basically the same as what I made up, although other things have been called Free, too. < 1372668947 769257 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just data Free f a = Pure a | Free (f (Free f a)) in CPS, right? < 1372668970 241433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No. < 1372668971 445310 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a lot of things for free < 1372668971 465616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, that's be newtype FreeMonad = FreeMonad { runFreeMonad :: (a -> r) -> (f r -> r) -> r } < 1372668973 482992 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least when f is a Functor < 1372668986 374612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1372668992 889466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Free (Algebra F) = FreeMonad, where Algebra f a = f a -> a < 1372669001 860643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which corresponds to the notion that a free monad is a free f-algebra. < 1372669027 431750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although in mine, I also had that if f is a comonad, then it makes a MonadPlus.) < 1372669112 648702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way even gives you a Maybe monad, Either monad, and "disjunctive state monad". < 1372669125 279936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cofree comonad on an endofunctor H on C is given by DA =df νX.A× HX < 1372669127 843876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., the carrier of the final A × H(−)-coalgebra, which is the cofree H-coalgebra < 1372669130 982078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on A). < 1372669242 315956 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :final indeed < 1372669263 987091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you express Cofree? < 1372669647 56787 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372669747 748299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Disjunctive state monad" = CodensityAsk (Store s). It uses <|> to compose state, and this is achieved for free.) < 1372670287 598199 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372670607 50581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372670797 68064 :Halite!~Halite@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372670991 902424 :atriq!~nathan@80-44-118-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372671027 649022 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372671031 457802 :atriq!~nathan@80-44-118-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com NICK :Taneb < 1372671310 806995 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372671579 255272 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372671906 952447 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372671918 46261 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372672137 345239 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372672244 516285 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372672377 438363 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372672452 14367 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372672491 27630 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372672513 713397 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372672624 63960 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372673005 997882 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372673672 618713 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372673935 977998 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372674221 928933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1372674524 7110 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372674893 6959 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372674922 225464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Cofree f a = exists x. (x, x -> a, f x) < 1372674949 921876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Saizan++ ) < 1372675391 656026 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :cofree of what again? f-algebra? < 1372675451 126801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a Cofree F-Coalgebra is a cofree comonad. < 1372675540 441319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1372675836 771959 :Taneb!~nathan@80-44-118-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372676127 277427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130701-ieeepub.png oh, so that's what it looks like. < 1372676289 901439 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eic looks very happy about receiving the paper < 1372676450 807210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think non-continuous chess variants don't have a number of dimensions? < 1372676500 947023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: It's what gives their life meaning! I think. < 1372676756 322079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessvariants.org/index/displaycomment.php?commentid=29981 Can you play the Fukumoto variant? < 1372677315 156014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372677633 292495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The King's security is more important than the King himself." -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to Chess < 1372677651 626693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do you think of Cofree? < 1372677665 348077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. < 1372677679 475266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree (Coalgebra F) = CofreeComonad F < 1372677690 786943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course Free (Algebra F) = FreeMonad F) < 1372677717 8478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using your definition, let's see. Yes, that seems correct to me. < 1372678410 763515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372679876 466434 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-26-8.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372680070 19501 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-26-8.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1372680467 546128 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1372682444 105342 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372682593 428270 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372682652 696488 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372682655 831774 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372682685 632357 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1372682691 526514 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1372682717 388452 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello AnotherTest :-) < 1372682856 784025 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I done http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17378961/elegant-way-to-implement-extensible-factories-in-c/17404774#17404774 < 1372683026 873131 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be fun - http://tnmoc.org/summer-bytes (Summer Bytes Festival in UK) < 1372684597 51640 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372685025 953301 :halfb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db431f0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: halfb4rd < 1372685498 830147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:33:22: wtf http://www.wekkars.com/ < 1372685499 966050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1372685581 618365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signed esolangs.org up for it already, did you? < 1372685625 940937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/wekkars i just... < 1372685628 246523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real < 1372685772 433855 :Gracenotes_!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372723790 221317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: < 1372723791 771328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1372723793 41815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy? < 1372723795 391667 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1372723797 982642 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh wasn't it `olist < 1372723809 777992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==Bike < 1372723813 495989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see an olist update < 1372723920 661550 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-26-8.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372724121 10410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey HackEgo got fixed? < 1372724127 103221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hi < 1372724250 912613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1372724252 369208 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372724278 436469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt Gregor was involved < 1372724303 79064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1372724306 288819 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd. < 1372724308 485146 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372724321 366787 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help???? < 1372724332 548259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rgrep -l monqy wisdom < 1372724335 771234 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/#esoteric \ wisdom/monqy \ wisdom/mnoqy \ grep: wisdom/lystrosaur: Not a directory < 1372724344 194269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372724344 490641 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was a centroid < 1372724393 323155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/lystrosaur < 1372724395 446027 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 19 May 14 18:41 wisdom/lystrosaur -> wisdom/lystrosaurus < 1372724402 461075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/lystrosaurus < 1372724404 522243 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 131 May 14 18:39 wisdom/lystrosaurus < 1372724413 350347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/lystrosaurus < 1372724415 793265 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which lived around 250 million years ago. < 1372724420 590273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> Maybe b < 1372724421 858469 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude mapM_ :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m () < 1372724422 135997 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mapM_ :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m () < 1372724422 157178 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad forM_ :: Monad m => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m () < 1372724423 516867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rgrep some kind of stupid program < 1372724434 523142 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stupid dumb program, imo < 1372724448 996928 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also none of those are what i want ;_; < 1372724458 321946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want < 1372724459 685724 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the're ike all the same thing practically anyway < 1372724473 108465 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing that takes the first Just < 1372724478 969942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo listToMaybe . map f < 1372724484 373259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t listToMaybe < 1372724485 211876 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> Maybe a < 1372724503 993690 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> listToMaybe [4,5] < 1372724505 89207 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 4 < 1372724510 909964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad name imo < 1372724516 153168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the function is "o k" < 1372724517 927279 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> listToMaybe [Nothing,5] < 1372724518 964702 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1372724518 985621 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M1950116903.sh... < 1372724524 733024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok awesome < 1372724535 425601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> listToMaybe [Nothing,Just 5] < 1372724536 485478 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just Nothing < 1372724543 815245 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a+ < 1372724553 702889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i didn't even give you the right function < 1372724555 622527 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was mean sorry. < 1372724562 965424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( "mixed up" < 1372724580 802257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [Maybe a] -> Maybe a < 1372724581 269019 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad msum :: MonadPlus m => [m a] -> m a < 1372724581 289737 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases orElse :: Maybe a -> Maybe a -> Maybe a < 1372724581 289907 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable asum :: (Foldable t, Alternative f) => t (f a) -> f a < 1372724587 729099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> msum [Nothing,Just 5] < 1372724588 861419 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 5 < 1372724599 154309 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1372724603 323677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lens has a way to do it but maybe you don't want lens < 1372724606 469555 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> msum [Nothing, Just 5, Just 7] < 1372724607 546239 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 5 < 1372724607 711068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/lived/ruled the world/' wisdom/lystrosaurus < 1372724612 31324 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1372724637 319010 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok. i've officially decided that, like, whatever. < 1372724653 66788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstOf (traverse . _Just) [Nothing, Just 5, Just 8] < 1372724654 869780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372724658 40475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not much of an exaggeration, even) < 1372724669 307935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (listToMaybe . catMaybes) < 1372724670 163499 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Maybe a] -> Maybe a < 1372724672 3757 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like not a common thing i'm doing. it doesn't seem that weird < 1372724696 488769 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (listToMaybe . catMaybes) [Nothing, Just 6, Just 7, Nothing] < 1372724697 475750 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 6 < 1372724708 464119 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t catMaybes < 1372724709 925633 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Maybe a] -> [a] < 1372724745 440568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sry 4 inkonvenience !! < 1372724760 636293 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1372724767 677173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what haskell program aer you writing < 1372724775 876290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1372724787 820732 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sorry < 1372724790 351526 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wonder ing < 1372724805 401555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't you sorry < 1372724820 515815 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm mean 2 elliott < 1372724879 167937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what was wrong with msum twh < 1372724900 15117 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. shachaf just kept going for some reason? < 1372724903 47137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lystrosaur < 1372724904 865124 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lystrosaur? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372724905 312100 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 | < 1372724905 418044 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               º¯`\o < 1372724905 517462 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's twh? < 1372724909 596265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1372724915 723049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that would help" / "that was helpful" < 1372724922 238024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1372724925 747691 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was helpful < 1372724941 369827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/lystrosaur < 1372724945 886267 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/lystrosaur: Not a directory < 1372724956 728862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1372724970 141560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -ld wisdom/lystrosaur < 1372724971 635027 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 19 May 14 18:41 wisdom/lystrosaur -> wisdom/lystrosaurus < 1372724982 666137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lystrosaurus < 1372724986 269597 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which ruled the world around 250 million years ago. < 1372724988 36002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372724994 773094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken link.............................. < 1372725019 802298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1372725040 354345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s lystrosaurus wisdom/lystrosaur < 1372725041 888756 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/lystrosaur': Not a directory < 1372725050 891099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -sfT hth < 1372725053 476259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1372725061 920315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is going on here < 1372725068 676949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/lystrosaur < 1372725073 729498 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1372725077 720016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s lystrosaurus wisdom/lystrosaur < 1372725081 129676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1372725083 931915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just edit `? instead of making symlinks hth < 1372725086 44852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lystrosaur < 1372725088 560738 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which ruled the world around 250 million years ago. < 1372725102 151777 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do you need to know this much about lystrosaurs < 1372725115 256571 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need you ask < 1372725115 277360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lystrosaurs were awesome hth < 1372725176 670158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is feeling listless about this wisdom entry < 1372725182 21593 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372725194 317636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i meant to type lystless < 1372726155 864761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372726205 285008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-commerce#Timeline '1971 or 1972: The ARPANET is used to arrange a cannabis sale between students at the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory and the Massachussetts Institute of Technology, later described as "the seminal act of e-commerce"' < 1372726231 209668 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, history is the best. < 1372726282 229525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that nobody remembers which year it was < 1372726371 203704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetful functors, all of them < 1372726429 247442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the ""dual"" of boehm-berarducci/church/whatever encoding works < 1372726451 740385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it encodes products using products and sums using sums :'( or something < 1372726472 961719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't know < 1372726483 607484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "boehm-berarducci encoding" really a thing < 1372726488 443675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call bullshit on that encoding sir < 1372726492 940938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google boehm-berarducci encoding < 1372726495 547985 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/tagless-final/course/Boehm-Berarducci.html < 1372726495 568798 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Boehm-Berarducci Encoding < 1372726500 62587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg said it < 1372726501 704889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate?? < 1372728986 880305 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372729640 131799 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372730153 824604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a sign in the pride parade reading "Support undocumented APIs!" < 1372730161 292414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it stands for "asia-pacific immigrant" apparently) < 1372730166 760001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1372730173 673361 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1372730226 41127 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1372730677 53109 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372731248 487591 :halfb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abload.de/img/obivankenobi6js1k.jpg < 1372731300 774126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the city on the lower half supposed to be easily recognizable? < 1372731307 66142 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1372731329 931635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Obivankenob, Russia < 1372731338 724169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually it's Washington DC < 1372731339 139866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1372731359 914439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :washington monument on the left, looking down the national mall at the capitol < 1372731364 283507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obivanken oblast < 1372731365 897495 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was laughing my ass out < 1372731370 433535 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yea < 1372731378 370876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: sounds messy < 1372731390 254135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, the joke is so cheap i don't think they make coins that small < 1372731403 411141 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the level of despair < 1372731405 318435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 satoshi joke < 1372731559 485411 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google site:esolangs.org star wars < 1372731560 98837 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1372731763 586001 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a description of what a lambda calculus-like thing whose type system is linear logic would look like. < 1372731769 843948 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of this stuff I'm writing seems kind of lofty. < 1372731797 422342 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Zero is an impossible object that can never be obtained, but if it could be obtained, then it could be turned into anything." < 1372731814 289465 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Top is a garbage pile; anything can be turned into a Top, but nothing useful can be done with a Top, and a Top can never be gotten rid of." < 1372732159 383768 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372732221 115607 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1372732224 306472 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out what a Bottom is. It seems like it also can be freely created and destroyed, yet surely it's not the same thing as One. < 1372732234 384051 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I'm describing as "a worthless object that can be freely created or discarded". < 1372732321 414807 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain old bitch object < 1372732348 967501 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pobo < 1372732350 693811 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pobo? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372732351 109561 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           | < 1372732351 253247 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         º¯`\o < 1372732380 765878 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : _o) < 1372732394 114684 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : °_o < 1372732394 462136 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          | < 1372732394 621374 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        º¯`\o < 1372732413 554498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that sexist? imo probably < 1372732420 30167 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372732425 389642 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a bitch too < 1372732434 230394 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am male < 1372732443 576808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really how it works < 1372732497 525313 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in any case it's not sexist < 1372732518 914907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be happier if you didn't say it < 1372732528 535855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about others < 1372732531 475849 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is tjat < 1372732534 22849 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd is of course an authority on what is and isn't sexist < 1372732543 806971 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is what just happened: "that's sexist" "no because i say it's not" "that's not how it works" "ok well anyway it's not" < 1372732549 560113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372732550 517354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a phd in whatissexistology < 1372732553 918310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what happened < 1372732562 542899 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the authority on what is and isn't sexist is a nontrivial ultrafilter. < 1372732567 59447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1372732583 226124 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a function that, given the set of all people who think something is sexist, determines whether it's sexist or not. < 1372732619 221604 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it says "yes" to two sets, it also says "yes" to their union. If it says "yes" to a set, it says "no" to its complement. And changing one single person's opinion never changes whether it says "yes" or "no". < 1372732620 431317 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just hang up on that < 1372732626 618325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: whether you meant it to be sexist is not v. relevant to whether it is < 1372732634 531251 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats so 18th centuriy < 1372732638 274579 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372732639 442389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it's just a mistake; I'm not accusing you of malicious behavior < 1372732647 226739 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372732653 130641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe a better statement is "don't use slurs"?) < 1372732653 896644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1372732733 840324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what Fiora said < 1372732756 1135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need food and sleep and stuff though < 1372732767 133593 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are good stuff < 1372732768 985974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl all < 1372732783 290861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight kmc < 1372732816 254744 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n8 kmc < 1372732824 756790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not going to sleep right now, but i *will* fall asleep if I don't eat something) < 1372732828 925507 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I'm beginning to think that my intuition of what the dual means is wrong. < 1372732855 915439 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can combine a thing and its dual to get a Bottom, right? But I don't think Bottoms can just be created and destroyed. < 1372732860 527176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdly enough eating things makes me fall asleep instead -_- < 1372732875 746058 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much fall asleep whether i eat things or not, i think. < 1372732907 297044 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :digestion needs a lot of o2 < 1372732937 604640 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :energy and stuff.. im sure you know better < 1372733344 962859 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think a Bottom is actually an object that cannot be created and cannot be destroyed, and this is its defining quality. < 1372733477 806868 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is what just happened: "that's sexist" "no because i say it's not" "that's not how it works" "ok well anyway it's not" <-- you somehow missed the meain arguments bike.. i cannnot figure out the properties of "bitch" that depend on gender.. ergo: not sexist < 1372733500 754959 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't "bitch" usually mean "contemptible female person"? < 1372733503 499179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your own ignorance is not a great defense < 1372733514 738150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so because you can't figure something out... it becomes a universal truth? < 1372733521 455724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, I'm not accusing you of malice, just a mistake < 1372733552 29540 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A female dog or other canine. In particular one who has recently had puppies." "(vulgar, offensive) A despicable or disagreeable, aggressive person, often female. [from the 15th c]" "(vulgar, offensive) A submissive person, often female, who does what others want; a slave. [from the 20th c]" < 1372733557 835180 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps!! < 1372733563 305966 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fiora: you think only women are bitches.. or only men..or waht is your opinion? :O < 1372733573 840471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bitch" is not always applied to women, but it definitely has that connotation (and when applied to men it's often like "you're bad because your qualities are like that of a woman") < 1372733575 66135 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering < 1372733578 837801 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that has nothing to do with what she said at all < 1372733607 400865 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the sexist kmc < 1372733613 696930 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1372733632 937212 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART #esoteric :"seriously not bothering with this, last time this came up half the channel literally came out and argued why the n-word is not in fact racist because they say so" < 1372733639 783153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1372733649 957191 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much haven't heard "bitch" applied to men except as a term of endearment. < 1372733709 341235 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :kmc > 1372733709 430511 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372733718 191248 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because emancipation is done < 1372733734 750174 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db439c4.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1372733750 325149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com KICK #esoteric hagb4rd :hagb4rd < 1372733763 437324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was already banned once, can't you do it again? < 1372733777 55833 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-24-128.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372733785 958035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later < 1372733791 77381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously need to go though < 1372733796 368922 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeya. < 1372733797 853460 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :kmc > 1372733797 876759 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372733805 315503 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :kmc > 1372733805 336385 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372733809 26393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :peace + love to y'all < 1372733841 965304 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adiós. < 1372733848 142599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372733853 993051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1372733855 902361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1372733887 815322 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hagbard made an ass of himself. Really glad we gave that guy another chance. After he was already creepy. < 1372733919 764589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is an op? < 1372733922 658494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is an op? < 1372733946 109261 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is Gregor is voiced. < 1372734038 763519 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PART #esoteric :"yeah whatever, i'm trying to concentrate anyway" < 1372734044 120291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ais523 left, so we needed some new ones. < 1372734052 266439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 left? < 1372734068 965932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :left-left or just left? < 1372734101 126989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said we never speak about esolangs any more, so didn't see a point in staying. < 1372734115 636155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1372734126 456076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's p. true < 1372734133 497777 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seems to have a misunderstanding about how IRC tends to work. < 1372734187 803554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be another channel which is like #esoteric except without ostensibly being about esolangs. < 1372734200 597731 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-blah < 1372734208 152776 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say that. < 1372734215 174488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also without people like hagb4rd. I didn't read the hagb4rd scrollback but the part I did read didn't look promising. < 1372734298 224332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm just biased against hagb4rd. < 1372734379 643919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. I don't know. < 1372734588 687410 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that anyone can talk about any topic? It is true, no need for prior self-education. < 1372734903 490433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ais523 also said he didn't have anything esolang-related going on himself. < 1372735004 694622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you Nu-encode arbitrary types? < 1372735026 762943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess [] becomes List a = exists x. (x, x -> Maybe (a,x)) < 1372735056 420252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some generalization of this such that e.g. you can get Yoneda and CoYoneda through the same process that gives you Mu-lists and Nu-lists? < 1372735163 668052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know if Mozilla would be willing to host bahaskell and/or bacat meetings at the Mountain View and/or SF offices, by the way? < 1372735187 485339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's been some trouble finding venues, especially ones in SF near Caltrain. < 1372735213 683259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Mozilla isn't all that close to Caltrain in SF. < 1372735510 446151 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1372735766 112342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just host them _on_ the Caltrain hth < 1372735870 924691 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds of dollars to the VTA < 1372735916 154285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ventral tegmental area needs the money < 1372737094 157214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all computers getting touchscreens these days < 1372737379 469270 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372737583 265780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why are products dual to functions :'( < 1372737628 800049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were dual to sums hth < 1372737695 266689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well forall is dual to exists hth < 1372737704 637172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forall is a function and exists is a product < 1372737805 366910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need a gaming laptop very soon < 1372737831 677148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verb "game" irritates me imo < 1372737894 423552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be sure not to game any systems near shachaf < 1372737932 404669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I thought gaming was an adjective in the context I used it in < 1372738000 482834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your only game is nethack, every laptop looks like a gaming laptop < 1372738001 95803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372738681 442804 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372738721 870681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1372738975 531815 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372739215 510563 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372740850 206465 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372741772 64834 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372742377 985469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Lindrum < 1372742405 854625 :Lindrum!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1372743011 954193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372743117 4587 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-27-75.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372743188 454542 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372743249 981761 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-24-128.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372743397 91112 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372743562 632992 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372743666 22422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but can find out sometime < 1372743840 77405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I must point out that VTA does not operate Caltrain < 1372743947 779065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but they're one of the member agencies of the Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board < 1372743963 205480 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372743995 929281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caltrain is owned by the JPB and operated by... *googles* TransitAmerica Services, Inc., on a 5 year contract < 1372743998 830907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1372744003 106882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1372744008 327941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372744014 756509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i convinced goldstein to buy a bike and also lend it to me for a week < 1372744090 539598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone wins < 1372744124 352286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you're not taking caltrain every day < 1372744561 16622 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1372744642 943243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372744834 435904 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372745126 467717 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372745336 151956 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372745356 877545 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372745526 113701 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372745584 320029 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailydot.com/business/reddit-quickmeme-banned-miltz-brothers/ < 1372745913 365830 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1372746618 498249 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-79-177.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372746711 51621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"K-M-C takes the morning train / he works from nine till five and then / ..." < 1372747485 682772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1372747498 88090 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1372747770 29158 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372747839 984025 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-27-75.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372748236 982798 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372748580 874526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: instead of watching C++ talks you should prove the initiality of in : F (Mu F) -> Mu F for me < 1372748674 645765 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not initial < 1372748683 229830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372748683 526440 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because there is no proof of it < 1372748699 209326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you some kind of anti-constructivist < 1372748826 569349 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the law of the excluded everything. < 1372748860 787670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law of excluded evidence < 1372749354 982763 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372752376 725557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you add the "oracle operator" that I have discussed before, then is oracle(x) -> not(x) consistent? I wouldn't think so, but probably it depends on what logic is in use. < 1372752510 941732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1372752820 424306 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372752834 464996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the oracle operator is itself inconsistent; probably not by itself, but maybe there will be paradoxes if you add additional rules that are using them. < 1372753516 17149 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372754264 985203 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372754704 784245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372755729 945745 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372756026 13301 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372761524 633474 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372761605 760600 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372761889 904095 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372761937 522292 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372761954 943455 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372763282 727023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1372763284 486061 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1372763339 213906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Sgeo! < 1372763433 868428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: By the way, you can give `olist a number. < 1372763439 784791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way we know whether we've seen the strip before. < 1372763466 285922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :897 < 1372763488 134126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1372763496 941205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just pass that as an argument. < 1372763500 758615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly's innovation, I believe. < 1372764875 612656 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist elliott < 1372764877 201080 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist elliott: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1372764892 555568 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1372764906 14375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372764912 523242 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah, shift-click parts? < 1372765008 125496 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372765132 289481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover.................. < 1372765153 19625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hang on, if i... < 1372765157 417525 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist shachaf < 1372765158 656380 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist shachaf: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1372765328 849618 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1372765435 184333 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s? < 1372765496 792995 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run head -n 2 bin/olist < 1372765498 844044 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf < 1372765503 268307 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1372765503 328980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372765507 451552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry shachaf < 1372765508 588665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh what did hagb4rd do < 1372765510 603059 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homeStuck < 1372765527 450131 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh I thought that was `list < 1372765541 784337 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, `list is the list of people on the list < 1372765548 568284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1372765555 503170 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally < 1372765566 573473 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it and see! < 1372765613 775583 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this channel needs more nickpings for now < 1372765632 905004 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in /msg! < 1372765668 103597 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm off now < 1372765670 254875 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372765716 316671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp now I scrolled up I'm going to do this and if anyone objects they can revert since afaict everyone is sick of him and at least two people have parted for it < 1372765719 447553 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1372765719 481090 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372765731 139752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :hagb4rd!*@* > 1372765731 158016 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372765732 722025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1372765732 768089 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372765757 814976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw what's with not having voice?? you gotta have voice < 1372766099 766731 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372766250 397903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ohnowhy < 1372766253 235716 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04ohno09why: 11We08lcome to th08e internati02onal hub for 13esot10eric 12program09ming language design 03an11d dep09l04oy02ment! For more 11informa12tion, chec14k out our wiki07: 12http:05/08/08esolangs.org02/wik04i/M07a05in_Page.12 (For t08he other kind of13 esoterica, try02 #esoteric on irc.14dal14.net.) < 1372766342 605975 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372766519 172936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372766966 778500 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372767782 753174 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372767824 167630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: im, like, so hi right now < 1372767836 621339 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372767846 772345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1372767847 400133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1372768276 171546 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372768824 536479 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hied < 1372768843 647757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a hied < 1372768846 909533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372768849 70665 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent there much more people here than usual? < 1372768883 989099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's usually about this many I think? < 1372768891 305623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not like most of them talk much or at all < 1372768927 902836 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we just stare < 1372768933 834300 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at letters < 1372770143 947850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you somebody we know < 1372770495 12892 :yiyus!1242712427@212.224.65.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372770793 414238 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372770799 273559 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372770809 775322 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372770815 249427 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372770820 945063 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372770827 258288 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372770862 114424 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372770868 485446 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372770896 303708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: hello < 1372770929 417353 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends, if this is the same we we are talking about < 1372770943 460982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we are you talking about < 1372771048 103470 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 NICK :Guest99408 < 1372771089 938728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my we was #esoteric! < 1372771145 235963 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372771168 457579 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, probably not. but what can one know, anyway. < 1372771235 703218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things < 1372771240 990659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like who you are!! < 1372771259 682834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's ohnowhy? < 1372771277 455100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a mystery < 1372771287 526022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohnowhy: Who are you? < 1372771289 435213 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant process "who". what is easier < 1372771302 616847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was your previous nick here? < 1372771307 184270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ohnowhy... the great mystery < 1372771326 78323 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372771339 49460 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no previous incarnation, sry < 1372771352 440345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all reincarnations. or something. < 1372771360 129351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this channel is about esoterica, right?) < 1372771369 734258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway hi < 1372771374 42898 :Guest99408!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1372771375 746960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the roald dahl kind of esoterica < 1372771381 385269 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ohnowhy < 1372771384 835374 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​12ohnowhy: Wel11come to the intern10ation12a14l hub 07for07 es12oteric progr07ammin11g 06langu08age design and dep10loyment! For 09more informati10on, 07ch04eck 07out our w13iki: http://esolangs.org/wi03ki/Main_P05age06. (For10 the other 11kind 14of esoterica,09 try06 #es08oteric on10 irc.d10a04l.net.) < 1372771390 593816 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnx, katla. < 1372771395 939313 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all. < 1372771414 353470 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is esoteric. kind of exclusive knowledge group etc < 1372771422 124572 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed circle. < 1372771427 437013 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372771439 347677 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wytchkraft < 1372771458 218160 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I guess. I dont use the word much < 1372771529 915309 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, about me... today I was playing the guitar in the garden, and beside me, my neigbour was drawing something. the joke is, that we are in quite bad relations... but the moment was nice. strange, but nice. now you know, who I am. < 1372771555 734080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1372771558 397757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deep < 1372771564 966388 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, who do we know who was crazy? < 1372771594 727670 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally get that ohnowhy < 1372771624 858079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: everyone < 1372771841 541569 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372771907 295023 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone? possible. < 1372771909 911826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1372771970 495585 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohnowhy: how'd you find this place < 1372772111 354356 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi! < 1372772195 849794 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't start the cabal with a newcomer in here. < 1372772231 815659 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, I will put you to ignore < 1372772317 943780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm absent for three weeks and what do I know, there's a new cabal. < 1372772319 699559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ignoring people, rude!! < 1372772338 582675 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :boily > 1372772338 781245 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372772345 812799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is the new cabal president < 1372772356 153151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where cabal-cabal < 1372772356 408250 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/cabal-cabal.xhtml < 1372772399 622264 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elliott> I know. its a self sacrifice < 1372772399 642733 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1372772400 112462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins, smiles and stretches his zygomatics < 1372772462 179933 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the new plot is: < 1372772491 558072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw lambdabot doesn't like people who ping with @ :P < 1372772502 231882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one likes people who ping with @ < 1372772518 172171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that too mean < 1372772523 107446 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@shachaf #nottrue #yolo < 1372772523 160670 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1372772556 228058 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all terrible :( < 1372772599 539834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lambdabot you're worse < 1372772599 811318 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1372772660 93 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you should be allowed to @-address someone if they're (actively) an op. < 1372772661 368424 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdadot, not me. am from another all. < 1372772738 373894 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372772751 71464 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb putting everybody to ignore < 1372772777 536202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.... < 1372772785 984407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372772811 445529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you abusing the admin bug again......... < 1372772826 781566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bigger abuser here is you < 1372772980 394573 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now I know who he is XD < 1372773001 483614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who[m] who is < 1372773006 305424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372773025 770479 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the bigger abuser < 1372773438 645375 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to elliott  < 1372773478 155335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372773538 433057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Fiora is back. < 1372773546 108643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1372773549 884083 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just slept -_- < 1372773567 377039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1372773591 24207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd is banned now, fwiw. < 1372773609 16532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you /parted the channel last I saw. < 1372773792 375639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry < 1372773816 512964 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, stupid question: since when does lambdabot talk? < 1372773821 9400 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: people get banned from here? XD < 1372773876 969065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well, kmc and me got opped. so now we just have to come up with plausible excuses to ban everyone and we will be able to rule #esoteric from a throne of the bones of our enemies. < 1372773885 934235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the plan. < 1372773963 523704 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can start by getting rid of the robots before they revolt on us < 1372774002 861494 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets his very gentle and nice and cuddly bot < 1372774049 769104 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :revolt? pfft, we're already in power. < 1372774132 441462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :re. stupid question: I'm getting more and more disturbed by lambdabot. < 1372774166 220996 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh. don't worry. in fact, don't even think about it. < 1372774442 358757 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't [KWATZ!] me, I think I'm fine. < 1372774838 277154 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, imo ban Deewiant < 1372774858 925129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what oerjan has to deal with :P < 1372774889 198974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372775122 826257 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who are the ones that get to talk the most here? < 1372775123 993936 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372775163 451360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to talk the most. if anyone talks more than me they're in big trouble < 1372775173 467760 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it. < 1372775202 491657 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's your trouble? < 1372775208 715899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott should talk with me! < 1372775213 63100 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then if elliott talks too much I track him down and... do what needs to be done < 1372775236 9306 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you do that when we have established that the universe will end once you find him < 1372775262 992919 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go on IRC and say "Hey, elliott, if you don't shut up I'll end the universe I swear to god" < 1372775326 858898 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gods. you never have enough of them. < 1372775334 390725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you end the universe, will god still exist? < 1372775367 9310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she'll probably just remake the universe without you this time around? :p < 1372775443 201765 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/universe conv=noerror && shutdown -r now < 1372775482 10557 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the universe's code is written in ~ATH! < 1372775501 434753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which I guess ironically fits the channel topic of esoteric languages... < 1372775562 610397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, on-topic in #esoteric? risky. we don't do that. < 1372775581 191545 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't believe nobody's made a ~ath esolang to date tbh < 1372775612 841337 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I bet there's one somewhere on the MSPA fora < 1372775615 810107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ~ATH < 1372775616 295391 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1372775650 489792 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, imho find it < 1372775663 444410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/~ATH#Specification < 1372775734 217632 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only interesting information i get from that is that the null program is not valid in ~ath < 1372775904 66701 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, priests n witches < 1372775923 139194 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1372775984 427047 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1372775991 646269 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27269 < 1372776269 294529 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1021 < 1372776270 879569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1021) shachaf: make friends. help people. find ways to help people be happy. hug people. have fun. make the world a little bit better. < 1372776278 872333 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is an inspiration to us all < 1372776293 517703 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I've said that exact sentence before < 1372776321 364101 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you've been fioraed. accept the positivism. < 1372776323 4773 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote inspiration to us all < 1372776324 186847 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I think you did < 1372776324 379847 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :534) Dear god stop staring at me. no never monqy is always staring at everyone. it takes many eyes to do this but I manage He is an inspiration to us all. < 1372776486 68318 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this homestuck thing boring? < 1372776489 762327 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372776496 40637 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so im not crazy < 1372776498 323277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not at the start < 1372776506 680717 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the pants off the start < 1372776520 230728 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive spent like 30 pages just clicking the only possible option and all hes doing is talking about stacks and hammers and nails < 1372776520 532404 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla, yeah, at one point some guy has a bomb on his head and a penis in his hand. < 1372776526 58469 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow that turn of phrase is really sexual...) < 1372776547 10069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ideally you would have said that before taneb kind of overshadowed it < 1372776554 216584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1372776563 2304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the quote right though Taneb! < 1372776573 596211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a hat full of bomb, a fist full of penis, and a head full of empty < 1372776577 803786 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1372776594 392257 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its linear though < 1372776596 486970 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I missing something < 1372776608 264223 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the fact that it's a linear story < 1372776614 481825 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prompt thing is basically vestigial < 1372776617 966458 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like many other stories < 1372776624 281521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck takes a while to get started < 1372776627 198570 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez i thought it was a game < 1372776638 920783 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start after each comic the fans would have a chance to put in the next command, but that was steadily phased out < 1372776639 794823 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an i click a wrong option and got onto some trick railway line < 1372776648 269400 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first act is a bit nutty and silly and it takes a while for everything to start coming together < 1372776671 465243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once it does you get this wonderful crazy cast of characters and the stakes rise and soon it's universe-scale and wonderful < 1372776680 342958 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ill stick with it < 1372776701 254456 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't think homestuck actually has any branch points any more) < 1372776734 72969 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has silly things like character select screens where you can go watch each individual story < 1372776750 331513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestuck#Plot <-- actually an incredibly good summary? XD < 1372776773 695314 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess a little spoilerish. < 1372776808 150541 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372776826 862079 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely looked at homestuck last when it did have bbranchpoints and I think I was lost < 1372776828 166654 :Nick3!~Nick4@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372776842 316880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also like, near the start, hussie was letting readers choose the actions of the characters < 1372776850 22526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of why it got incredibly weirdly silly < 1372776862 312519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think he slowly eliminated that through the first few acts < 1372776872 901002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick3: hi ohnowhy < 1372776919 775052 :Nick3!~Nick4@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. linux. < 1372776935 489543 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the last true user command < 1372776936 710406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wsa < 1372776938 90892 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was < 1372776959 524322 :Nick3!~Nick4@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahw? < 1372777575 51524 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372777683 67110 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372777736 250341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1372777762 387265 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for when there's one family name with a ridiculous proportion of the population < 1372777769 451461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like kim in korea or nguyen in vietnam < 1372777837 902131 :Nick3!~Nick4@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha-name < 1372777904 921855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are taking the micky < 1372777942 729007 :Nick3!~Nick4@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gods... < 1372778111 917556 :Nick3!~Nick4@p4FCA7B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: endthis < 1372778613 465003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have come up with similar conclusions about linear logic Zero, Top, and One as tswett, such as, Zero cannot be made and Top cannot be used. < 1372779129 813098 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372782255 247577 :TheM4ch1n3!~shaun@41.48.16.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372782263 700528 :TheM4ch1n3!~shaun@41.48.16.52 QUIT :Changing host < 1372782263 721056 :TheM4ch1n3!~shaun@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372782313 371968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome TheM4ch1n3 < 1372782315 947437 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​10TheM4ch1n083: Welcome 12to the06 international06 hub f12or11 esoteric progr08amming lan03g03uage des09ign04 an14d deployment11! For more inform05ation, check ou08t o10ur wiki: http://eso12langs.o02rg/wiki/Main_Page. (F03or the othe13r k11ind of esot09erica, try03 #13esote02ric on i09rc.dal.13n02et.)10 < 1372782500 182959 :TheM4ch1n3!~shaun@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372782523 916354 :TheM4ch1n3!~shaun@41.48.16.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372783148 58635 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372783255 65531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLASMA PHYSICS. < 1372783286 599796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 40th EPS Conference on Plasma Physics is being held at the moment at Dipoli, in Otaniemi, Espoo, Finland, Earth.) < 1372783302 430311 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Espoo? < 1372783313 137594 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so it seems. < 1372783327 736488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people think it's the same thing as Helsinki. < 1372783335 719229 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd have been making up at least half of those names < 1372783345 118801 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows how much I know about the proud peoples of Finland. < 1372783352 209940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, the former Helsinki University of Technology campus was at Espoo. < 1372783356 292136 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they actually proud? Shows how much I know about the peoples of Finland. < 1372783381 427671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're not extraordinarily proud, but somewhat regularly proud, in general. < 1372783410 59132 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's always good. < 1372783440 97831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://satwcomic.com/proud-finland -- #1 hit for "proud finland" < 1372783461 467582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "retarded lion" comic was a good one. < 1372783483 222471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can learn much about the proud peoples of Scandinavia-and-such from that webcomic. < 1372783508 838429 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comic is awesome < 1372783855 12078 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1372784167 856356 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1372784171 859492 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372784430 110361 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-159.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372784789 698259 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1372785461 263208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A short notation for 6502 assembly codes, like I have described before, could make the source of this program much shorter: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#Unofficial_MagicKit_Assembler < 1372785536 375629 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 NICK :Guest63410 < 1372785555 405798 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372785707 507704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1372785931 968108 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p578E3C5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372785995 461432 :Guest63410!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. < 1372786617 388034 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1372786815 169187 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p578E3C5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1372788185 982325 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372789045 261480 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372809606 712548 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes that we have already dealt with the fact that there is a king of france... which we haven't < 1372809741 145529 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like having the equation 1/x = 3 is satisfied when x = 0 : it doesn't make sense < 1372809819 318557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1372809832 422203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of activity on the Deadfish page today... < 1372809882 107917 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "1/1 = 3" is obviously false, and "1/(1/3) = 3" is obviously true, but "1/0 = 3" simply doesn't make sense < 1372810381 792587 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So, what *was* the channel with all the #haskell metadiscussion? < 1372810388 480988 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than this now < 1372810400 345218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372810433 279872 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah. < 1372810458 993107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it was johnw /msging byorgey. < 1372810473 945219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those things he does. /msging people, I mean. < 1372810495 178221 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1372810512 378036 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should be careful, some people are allergic to MSG. < 1372810991 297752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 17:22 < strcat> Option<~T>, Option<&T> etc. turn to a nullable ptr < 1372811006 43590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard about that. < 1372811012 32705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats weird < 1372811021 284548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Option special-cased < 1372811026 479939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for any enum, doesn't it? < 1372811043 47224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were asking if Option< Option > was broken, but I don't think it is, because Option is not a non-nullable pointer type < 1372811077 295614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo they should turn enum Foo { Red, Blue, SomethingElse } into {0x0, 0x1, validPtr} < 1372811097 869532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, makes sense, I suppose. < 1372811116 109147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you convinced them to make their syntax less wack yet < 1372811145 417486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wack about their syntax < 1372811164 926149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1372811170 160458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah a runtime check of /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr < 1372811219 531563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not special cased by name, but by structure < 1372811240 194837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can just require the bottom page not to be used in rust programs < 1372811243 968493 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372811249 785302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so types isomorphic to Option also get it < 1372811250 646998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true < 1372811252 992818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can go up to 4096-enums "good enough 4 me" < 1372811274 351715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo "require", you can't enforce it when a C program calls a Rust library < 1372811282 156833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even the other way round really < 1372811339 862351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, aren't pointer values in the bottom page often considered invalid in C programs for some other reason? < 1372811413 28970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many C programs are designed this way < 1372811430 792934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the spec says, other than that the numeric literal "0" gives you a NULL pointer whose use in various ways is UB < 1372811440 601467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not even be represented the same way as an integer zero, of course < 1372811479 105595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if( !x ) has to be the same as if( x == NULL ), right? < 1372811504 763769 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372811506 798940 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372811518 805098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1372811531 740676 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define NULL 1 < 1372811543 12793 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372811551 207966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought NULL had to compare as false... < 1372811562 328563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, NULL isn't necessarily 0, but it has to compare equal to 0 < 1372811578 15219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My "No?" was addressed to katla, not Fiora.) < 1372811581 435232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not zero but another number of the same name" < 1372811589 750593 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372811600 139857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1372811613 48863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was responding to katla < 1372811621 300262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so too. < 1372811623 969771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly, everyone was responding to Bike < 1372811638 605956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're getting a serious Bike infestation in here < 1372811646 543843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're doubling every few minutes < 1372811649 781397 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1372811653 351789 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372811655 288521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's better < 1372811658 629649 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the one true Bike shall stand < 1372811672 721187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two true Bikes < 1372811676 106536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one true Unike < 1372811677 909226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372812035 179563 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1372812077 105145 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372812125 392841 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode seems to have “DIRECT CURRENT SYMBOL FORM TWO” and no other forms. Theother one is called “AC CURRENT” instead of, say, “ALTERNATING CURRENT SYMBOL”. < 1372812181 303031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn27/ < 1372812261 345300 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you, unicode < 1372812262 979425 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't include it oh no < 1372812263 71801 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blunicode < 1372812285 982515 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how many of them are bad transliterations of non-IE languages < 1372812320 624065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372812376 959587 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, is anyone here as annoyed as me (level: "mildly chuffed") that news organizations can never agree on how to transliterate Arabic or Persian or anything < 1372812396 799056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's hardly unique to news organizations. < 1372812411 59038 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep seeing Morsy and thinking Morrissey < 1372812431 14851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it as bad as irish "man just throw some i's in there, also some h's while we're at it" orthography < 1372812439 836408 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1372812447 4655 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they at least usually agree on how many i's to throw in < 1372812476 32019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc knows what happens when you throw too many 'i's into one letter < 1372812477 867547 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no (i guess i'm talking about, like, broader goidelic names here) < 1372812569 553862 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i know shit all about irish < 1372812607 273089 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the fact that news organizations do it is important because: they're the ones i'm immediately annoyed at < 1372812631 288644 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wp there was also a spelling reform which included such highlights as beirbhiughadh => beiriú < 1372812670 447303 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like i can only assume the bh, gh and dh were just there to fuck with people < 1372812692 667911 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1372812731 283487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the worst individual transliteration cases i can think of though are the name of the mongolian conqueror, and the name of the former president of Libya < 1372812773 203494 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you mean dschinghis khan? < 1372812783 370594 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ;_; < 1372812812 733350 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: bear hug edh, beiried, bear birth, beer buddha < 1372812847 255091 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372812858 638463 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372812874 840863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :genghis khan? < 1372812892 452639 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you want to use the old fashioned transliteration < 1372812895 436999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5365283/regular-expression-to-search-for-gadaffi < 1372812897 610659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually seen dschinghis in print < 1372812917 909355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's good < 1372812941 575094 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My history textbook called him Chinggis. Maybe we could just go with Temujin < 1372812971 7031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dschinghis" seems very weird too < 1372812983 409770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: our professor actually introduced regular expressions to us with that one < 1372812986 193587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally not kidding XD < 1372812989 460645 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genghis Khan's name is spelled in variety of ways in different languages such as English Chinghiz, Chinghis, and Chingiz, Chinese: 成吉思汗; pinyin: Chéngjísī Hán, Turkic: Cengiz Han, Çingiz Xan, Çingiz Han, Chingizxon, Çıñğız Xan, Chengez Khan, Chinggis Khan, Chinggis Xaan, Chingis Khan, Jenghis Khan, Chinggis Qan, Djingis Kahn, Russian: Чингисхан (Čingiskhan) or Чингиз-хан (Čingiz-khan), etc < 1372813004 67443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: haha < 1372813020 796935 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was something similar < 1372813039 704986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't genghis khan's wikipedia article open with like ten names < 1372813044 174356 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschingis_Khan it seems to be pretty standard in German < 1372813053 415030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they removed them < 1372813061 945213 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Djengis in Afrikaans, oh man, i need to look through these now. < 1372813071 100119 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it feels like it's extra consonants? < 1372813073 680128 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's german < 1372813075 119082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1372813079 649243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschinghis_Khan < 1372813091 340334 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813105 487891 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xenxis, in... I don't know this language < 1372813125 695705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :language x < 1372813125 916407 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asturian. < 1372813138 136159 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the billion languages of spain, right < 1372813143 29555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspelt austrian < 1372813145 939167 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... was wrong with genghis < 1372813159 128498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't kill enough people < 1372813159 285676 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really descriptive of the pronunciation, I think < 1372813163 587992 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a "ch" sound at the start < 1372813168 98202 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372813176 915024 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i ean it's a transliteration from what, the 18th century? it's gotta be shit < 1372813179 918906 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean* < 1372813182 471108 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people like to pronounce "ge" like in... "get"? < 1372813190 439942 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more like "tsingis" < 1372813206 746394 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tempted to say 'that's not really worth the bother' here < 1372813381 87586 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1372813387 258360 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813391 388271 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813391 903832 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813423 970775 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813428 98229 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813428 613887 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813473 6172 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813477 116671 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813477 633790 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813515 714668 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813519 858853 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813520 376291 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813559 886164 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813564 18780 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813564 535200 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813601 846221 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813605 974778 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813606 492694 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813643 851884 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813647 973321 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813648 489105 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813705 384525 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813709 507665 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813710 24040 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813739 225981 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813743 349767 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813743 865960 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813783 222327 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813787 347140 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813787 863915 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813827 247129 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813831 387320 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813831 897742 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813885 383826 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813886 106164 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813887 843516 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is this > 1372813889 512392 JOIN :#esoteric > 1372813890 28056 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372813891 475147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil < 1372813892 574206 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this machine generated < 1372813897 56650 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's art < 1372813899 455447 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beauty < 1372813903 170709 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds welsh < 1372813920 500540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like zalgokuil < 1372813927 985018 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a barcelonian failing to pronounce Dungan < 1372813938 667846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bbl < 1372813940 802216 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps give me something else to translate into ithkuil < 1372813945 584478 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually a nice adventure < 1372813947 248169 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lord's prayer? < 1372813951 396382 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what no thatd take a month < 1372813966 844836 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first bit of lord's prayer in non-archaic english < 1372813967 48480 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a 3-4 word sentence kinda thing, something cute < 1372813989 496309 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schleicher's fable? < 1372813992 355318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: how about "enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" < 1372814003 546418 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps verbs have cases in ithkuil but the online guide doesn't tell you how to use them... < 1372814007 240150 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's good < 1372814016 992654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pronounce it and upload it though!! < 1372814020 587921 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1372814030 115361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ithkuil pronunciation is probably "subpar" < 1372814042 15428 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Efter foondin the Mongol Empire an being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he startit the Mongol invasions that woud ultimately result in the conquest o maist o Eurasie. < 1372814056 729190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots is great < 1372814071 920655 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ulster scots wikipedia yet < 1372814082 572871 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony o these invasions also resultit in lairge-scale slaughter o the local populations an ar no viewed positively in these parts o the warld today. < 1372814086 153458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you could literally run a simple filter over the english wikipedia to get the same results < 1372814089 168504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point < 1372814098 78930 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cultural etc. < 1372814100 5401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no viewed positively" <3 < 1372814116 835631 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if they want to have their own language more power to 'em < 1372814121 219935 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think it's funny to see < 1372814121 938544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer < 1372814133 456791 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ulster scots is even more cultural etc., in that it's basically the result of a game of linguistic one-upmanship with irish) < 1372814134 669125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "dickery" a scots word < 1372814163 620988 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is ulster scots what they pretend to speak in northern ireland, or < 1372814191 526439 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the dialect of english spoken in ulster < 1372814198 285818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#OUTRAGED oh my god < 1372814204 229190 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ithkuil equivalent to a subordinate clause is called a "case-frame." < 1372814205 568428 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that being in ulster there's a bunch of sectarian politics involved < 1372814207 331016 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait < 1372814208 131446 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're what you call people americans call "Scots-Irish" < 1372814211 986275 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your name is way better than ours < 1372814230 434565 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what the hecks < 1372814234 906972 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A'v ne'er unnerstuid ootrage aboot Scots projects like this Wikipedia. < 1372814240 997227 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what "jaxie" is < 1372814243 87232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ootrage < 1372814254 232877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the real Scots language or are you just putting a sort of traditional highlander accent on and spelling words as they sound...I mean is there a dictionary or something which can prove these words are real? < 1372814266 288687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really good < 1372814285 192906 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814290 214414 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814290 418914 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COTTISH PEOPLE SPEAK ENGLISH, NOT THIS SHIT PICTURED ON THIS SITE!!! wrote some random guy from Texas < 1372814297 280383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funetik aksents! < 1372814330 320876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the quoting of the "UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS" < 1372814337 776625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots wikipedia: highly serious < 1372814338 277000 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a wikipedia in west-vlaams: http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voorblad < 1372814339 455651 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned, that's why i gave up on stross < 1372814354 491417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he talks funny? < 1372814363 583007 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know if he talks funny) < 1372814378 333011 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he writes his characters with these egregious scottish accents < 1372814381 341021 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendered phonetically < 1372814390 97490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IS JUST FRACTURED ENGLISH, WITH WORDS BEING WRITTEN AS THEY SOUND TO SOME PEOPLE, AND IS NOT AN ACTUAL LANGUAGE!" < 1372814390 961310 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Ulster Scots, the local dialect of Lowland Scots, which has, since the 1980s, also been called 'Ullans', a portmanteau neologism popularised by the physician, amateur historian and politician Dr Ian Adamson,[15] merging Ulster and Lallans - the Scots for Lowlands[16] - but also an acronym for "Ulster-Scots language in literature and native speech"» awesome < 1372814398 661522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortuantely the scots have yet to realise this < 1372814405 319494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, we get it. Feel free to read other parts of the internet that are solely in English. There's quite a lot of it. Come back when you've finished that off, and we'll talk." < 1372814425 305058 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's like writing a book set in kent and having everyone talking about how they're getting in the caah < 1372814431 976184 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also in limburgs... http://li.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veurblaad < 1372814441 258451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there multiple dutch dialect wikipedias < 1372814455 73686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's wikipedias for the two norwegian languages too < 1372814460 55684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/languages/dialects/ < 1372814474 280201 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha drawing a distinction < 1372814495 80272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1372814498 392906 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't bokmal and the other thing, like, written < 1372814498 605347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mock me Bike < 1372814510 715665 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo written language is too complicated *series of hand gestures < 1372814511 990258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the nynorsk one is depressing < 1372814528 534116 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small wikipedias are the most depressing thing in the world < 1372814531 150753 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«As a result of the competing influences of English and Scots, varieties of Ulster Scots can be described as 'more English' or 'more Scots'» < 1372814534 296498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying really hard but there's just not enough care on the planet for a less-popular dialect of norwegian < 1372814555 588175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: last i checked, the nynorsk wikipedia even has some articles with subpages in the even more radical høgnorsk form < 1372814563 128067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hognorsk < 1372814574 652409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :means "high norwegian" of course :P < 1372814589 446708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Høgnorsk seems like it's less radical? < 1372814599 399477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about like... what do saami people speak < 1372814602 814763 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1372814615 56614 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814628 841918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm i meant radical in the sense of even further from what most people use < 1372814633 726935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1372814642 233303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that is also extremely conservative < 1372814678 205789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1372814681 544062 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1372814712 217408 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372814718 186412 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, have you reached the part where it was mostly made up to get a unionist alternative to irish's protected language status (n.b. my sources in this matter are not exactly dispassionate) < 1372814751 551102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also isn't bokmal and the other thing, like, written <-- of course. the current fashion for _speech_ is to use nearly unnormalized dialect. < 1372814755 245955 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's in the intro. < 1372814771 614094 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's recognized by the UK under the EU's language thing though, huh < 1372814780 285712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when i come to trondheim you have to explain norway to me. < 1372814783 318860 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote finnish for cutest language < 1372814798 697999 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`what about basque' < 1372814800 37766 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: what: not found < 1372814804 963987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are three official saami languages in norway, although northern saami is far larger than the others. < 1372814811 271362 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh that's a lot < 1372814827 122820 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a word for spelling scots like that, kinda. eye dialect < 1372814837 463513 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:This_is_the_cover_of_a_book_containing_the_Gospel_of_Luke_in_both_Ulster_Scots_and_the_1611_AV.png good filename < 1372814846 313031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you mean, you think _i_ understand norway? < 1372814856 225252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I would hope so. < 1372814870 591516 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite wikipedia filename is < 1372814870 857251 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372814871 61954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372814872 266356 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thing.png < 1372814880 116661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: great filename < 1372814881 527934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said that < 1372814888 742223 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its exactly a thing < 1372814897 181887 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is definitely a thing. < 1372814913 970344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372814968 848909 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thành Cát Tư Hãn < 1372814970 978196 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372815036 143641 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tu han < 1372815105 658524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: you have your own company now? < 1372815128 278899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's "jix code" < 1372815175 372158 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Contemporary Mongolians clearly prefer Chinggis over Genghis, not only because it reflects Mongolian pronounciation more closely, but also because it matches the Cyrillic version, Чингис хаан" < 1372815175 735906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: your "index!" needs expansion hth < 1372815191 26157 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The article is inconsitent in Temüjin vs Temujin. Which is correct?" *flips table* < 1372815235 830429 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there's a frickin mongolian imperial defender in this talk page < 1372815261 622726 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Serge and i'm citizen of Ukraine (Ukrainian Rus), one of the states in the modern global cossack society that is society of cossacks, free people of the Earth. < 1372815272 488695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as ukrainian bus < 1372815308 216832 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this person is saying kazakhs are cossacks < 1372815378 464005 :comex`!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1372815486 578599 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«For example, Peter Holquist, a specialist of the conflict in the Don region, concludes that decossackization did not constitute an "open-ended program of genocide" but rather was a "ruthless" and "radical attempt to eliminate undesirable social groups," which showed Soviet regime's "dedication to social engineering."» somebody help me understand this < 1372815587 453731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was "not genocide" but "a ruthless attempt to eliminate undesirable social groups" < 1372815604 99491 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just < 1372815609 60671 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just say the same thing twice man < 1372815617 97198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not murder, it's just intentionally killing someone" < 1372815739 880520 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372815939 613896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as we have clarified that. < 1372816941 847969 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372817426 595659 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$u 𝕍 < 1372817427 750837 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+D835 (No name found) < 1372817428 480955 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+DD4D (No name found) < 1372817430 441645 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372817486 123478 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. Surrogates. < 1372817529 101854 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$u 𝕍 < 1372817529 986181 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+D835 (No name found) < 1372817530 839453 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+DD4D (No name found) < 1372817541 959611 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| Something's getting misinterpreted somewhere. < 1372817595 141842 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372817671 407314 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hey, join the Desert Warriors Clan! < 1372817972 757353 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372818053 709237 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-240.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372818194 822320 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what a condition code is < 1372818256 994130 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A pretodianship is a position that can be held by a party member". Are all Agoran offices pretodianships? If not, can pretodianships also be held by nonmembers? < 1372818273 567774 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of clear what was intended, but not clear that your wording expresses it unambiguously < 1372818392 510193 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's fair. < 1372818678 290181 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372818759 732374 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: think that should be fixed, along with the editing error in Article 2, before the party is created? < 1372818893 670801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't looked at the rest that closely < 1372819026 311691 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372819422 340750 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372820244 209481 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372820263 662592 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1372821765 755708 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372822111 238645 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372822636 266554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1372822637 688799 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1372823179 616799 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372823764 16004 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372823862 49144 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372824390 730883 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372826117 705521 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-143.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372827084 545620 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372827109 768043 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HY < 1372827117 553076 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME ALTRION < 1372827119 533493 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTRION: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1372827148 868913 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1372827158 340031 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M FROM INDONESIA < 1372827166 602633 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S COOL < 1372827195 315690 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1372827203 103531 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN INDONESIA IS HOT < 1372827209 585059 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1372827214 636734 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S HOT HERE TOO BUT PROBABLY NOT AS HOT < 1372827235 703764 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT VERY HOT < 1372827333 972690 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SORRY MY ENGLISH IS NOT GOOD BUT NOT BAD < 1372827355 867702 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :start by turning caps lock off :) < 1372827358 346105 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're quite understandable. Maybe you should use lowercase letters, though. < 1372827387 800081 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372827399 384355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use both uppercase and lowercase letters. < 1372827430 615220 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :liKe tHiS RiGHt? < 1372827490 413455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my english is simultaneously good and bad < 1372827494 564774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some computers don't have lowercase, but this makes it difficult to use the MODE command, and won't access most webpages, gopher, and other internet protocols; however, most modern computers do have lowercase.) < 1372827514 738586 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooowww < 1372827535 359946 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use lowercase latters, okay < 1372827556 670998 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway, what's up < 1372827629 735394 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a forum? < 1372827643 402552 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chatroom, yeah < 1372827688 409776 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this name is esoteric, what is esoteric??? < 1372827715 215918 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the link in the welcome message? < 1372827768 970735 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add my facebook okay : aldri_017@yahoo.co.id < 1372827790 231910 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find this place? < 1372827816 865294 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hth < 1372827824 675206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Huh? < 1372827828 927790 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in channels list < 1372827836 833639 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hth, hth < 1372827847 273101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I don't get it. < 1372827862 545498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said hth, you said what, so I said hth, hth < 1372827870 494269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. < 1372827879 475735 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372827936 579330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1372827952 96762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTRION: I don't use the Facebook, OK? < 1372827965 233945 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1372828024 588532 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which your country? < 1372828033 653478 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm from indonesia < 1372828038 347743 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you ? < 1372828104 441407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1372828145 281037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in Canada. < 1372828151 287854 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo < 1372828159 679061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of people in here are from other countries. < 1372828453 730027 :ALTRION!~ALTRION19@114.79.12.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372828631 91871 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric is an adjective, hth < 1372829079 892872 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1372829095 982063 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372829696 897208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1372829942 902386 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs shachaf  < 1372830008 470481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get it, but whatever. < 1372830013 628922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :get what? < 1372830037 518466 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was nothing to get! I was referencing your hth stint for no reason whatsoever and being obnoxious about it < 1372830040 625653 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all there was to it < 1372830051 900864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does hth even have to do with me? < 1372830061 594383 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were using it all over the place for a while < 1372830096 543036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1372830100 891112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION repeats earlier sentiment. < 1372830264 974485 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1372830579 934591 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372830710 611758 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372832153 908013 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372832161 227948 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372832750 499733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Turing sequent calculus I made up can be used for nondeterministic Turing machines too. < 1372832915 347773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it is also possible for there to be no rule (not even halting), in the one I made. < 1372832951 818549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win if it halts, lose if there is no rule, and draw if it doesn't halt. If it is nondeterministic, then the win/lose/draw outcome will not be predetermined. < 1372833038 292274 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372833631 875592 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-52-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372834373 501675 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372834511 372599 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372835360 151203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether any mathematicians find this useful, I don't know. < 1372835463 943439 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372835530 946072 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372835531 150884 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372835746 716623 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p578E3C7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372836922 697830 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372837103 891320 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372838253 748068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372838656 511295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gotta go < 1372839109 756517 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372839271 450054 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't have my own company < 1372839291 536236 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jixco.de => jix' code < 1372839307 387761 :jix!~jix@jixco.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I happen to be in germany so .de is the right tld anyway) < 1372839489 194870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good, then. < 1372840108 431549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jix, Inc." would have a nice ring to it. < 1372840418 619278 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p578E3C7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1372841188 451998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i ate at http://www.sunflowersf.com/ which has the best website < 1372841331 650974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day I ate at http://www.kabuki.fi/kabuki.html whose website is also pretty good; last news is from 2009, and there's a prominent red-border notice about it being closed "Sunday, August 5th", except this year's August 5th is a Monday, suggesting that it's probably about last year. < 1372841343 658054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more "designy", however. < 1372841394 352135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's a good website. < 1372841419 598183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be improved by including HTML menus. < 1372841471 806878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk < 1372841827 34991 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372842453 484701 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372843315 139831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1372843574 900287 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372844020 952420 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372848870 988806 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372848994 190565 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372852381 193642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome neena < 1372852388 7392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0603neena: We06lcome to the in05t10er13nat04ional 09hub for es06ot05eric p10r03ogra13m10min04g language design a13nd deploym04e12nt! Fo09r more inform13ation, ch09eck out our wi10ki: http:03//eso03langs.org/wiki10/M02ain_Page. (For the oth10e09r kind of es08oterica, tr05y #esot10eri07c11 on irc.dal.net.) < 1372853310 76672 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's funny < 1372853314 335241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372853333 904832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the word 'sigmoid' means s-shaped despite the fact that neither form of the letter sigma is s-shaped < 1372853340 349317 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. I am only lurking < 1372853469 707667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they consider 's' a form of sigma < 1372853529 50482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's boring... I like the idea that someone wanted a proper fancy name for s-shaped and just had no clue what a sigma actually looks like < 1372853574 294146 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final sigma: ς < 1372853580 505615 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Greek) < 1372853622 197184 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sigma_uc_lc.svg < 1372853702 462956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it says Eos < 1372853783 728711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had a LaTeX document that used the symbol $\sigma_\varsigma$ for a thing. Then I talked about it in an email, and had to write σ_ς. < 1372853798 380166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was changed to something like a single uppercase latin letter, later on. < 1372853827 296255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: important: do you acknowledge the immense superiority of \varepsilon over \epsilon < 1372853990 254889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do. < 1372854014 504445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gooood < 1372854044 859110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have somewhat similar feelings when it comes to \varphi over \phi, but that might be just personal preference, since the loopier \varphi is how I was taught to write it. < 1372854091 828246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck varphi < 1372854129 345533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the proper Greek letter, instead of some silly "math symbol" phi. < 1372854187 586782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between the var-prefixed and normal name? < 1372854232 512005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The var-prefixed is presumably a "variant form" of some sort. < 1372854244 576055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the "final sigma" for \varsigma, and the loopy phi for \varphi. < 1372854281 173857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought it stood for "variable" < 1372854288 919762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :varsigma varies depending on context or something? < 1372854293 519903 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372854294 22633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you were meant to use \varepsilon for variables but \epsilon for... constants?? functions?? < 1372854326 902417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just *assumed* the "variant" meaning of "var"; I'unno. < 1372854357 934639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also \varepsilon is the more rounded "flipped 3"-style epsilon, as opposed to \epsilon's "c and - overtyped" solution. < 1372854383 98578 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't \epsilon used for empty strings sometimes? < 1372854434 962795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though I've seen \varepsilon as the empty string too. < 1372854444 969512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might've not been a TeX-derived document at all.) < 1372854567 550186 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/#epsilon < 1372854570 686959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best ideas: Use final sigma and stigma for two different meanings -- ς and ϛ are *so different*. < 1372854645 52694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's U+03C2 GREEK SMALL LETTER FINAL SIGMA and U+03DB GREEK SMALL LETTER STIGMA, I hope.) < 1372854648 212312 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yikes. that has them the other way around < 1372854663 265710 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for phi and varphi < 1372854682 780972 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it says < 1372854699 527501 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a disaster < 1372854715 134921 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note: i've never seen \vartheta (the swirly latex one) used anywhere < 1372854729 684792 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angles are usually just \theta, and honestly, what else do you call theta < 1372854737 173191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because the "default" for "them" is the regular Greek letter use, and the "variant" is the "mathy" one. < 1372854749 226255 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's "variant"? < 1372854767 342184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've always assumed, as I said, like, right after you joined. < 1372854787 435442 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pshh reading < 1372854795 120708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "variant" is what Deewiant's link says, too, so I guess they've assumed so too. < 1372854818 777265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I remember seeing \vartheta somewhere, but I have no recollection what it was for. < 1372855000 675113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, of course -- the Jacobi theta function: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_function < 1372855027 639423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen that variant elsewhere < 1372855043 291253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly handwritten, although god knows who'd write it that way < 1372855430 175380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than one people seem to be using ϑ for mean. < 1372855450 18724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess as their go-to "I need a Greek letter and don't have an obvious choice" letter. < 1372855489 788702 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write it kinda like that < 1372855501 310637 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with a little extra bar on the left < 1372855514 991262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most secure data cryption program in the World http://kryptochef.net/indexh2e.htm < 1372855548 739277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember KRYPTO. < 1372855730 902983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof of 256 being "full bits" is impressive. < 1372855857 130271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/06/the_doghouse_kr.html -- oh, from here. < 1372856270 509392 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372856280 312038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The author takes part in the confersation few (hundred) screens down.) < 1372856545 948155 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1372856610 480783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like the bit where he proves almost all existing hashing algorithms are broken, because they generate nonzero outputs for the empty input. His own, LBV5DG, of course isn't broken that way -- "it doesn't work with nothing, how should it.") < 1372856620 103967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1372856644 896341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/06/the_doghouse_kr.html#c185757 is I think a direct link to that comment. < 1372856662 325887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These are some random commenter's English translations of his German postings from elsewhere.) < 1372856718 487099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat http://kryptochef.net/KRYPTOCHEF%20Newsletter%20eng.htm < 1372856951 129213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe he has been badly wronged by the German government, or some such thing. < 1372857045 578714 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372857071 931291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These data programs immediately recognize the password is wrong when it is wrong. How can the program before the actual data decryption. That says it all out on such programs." < 1372857109 25866 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How can the program before the actual data decryption? < 1372857109 979660 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the fnord concept stems from the use that the catholic church and most media. so the teacher says, " one made up for that < 1372857145 395723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You make about as much sense as KRYPTOCHEF. < 1372857145 960244 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you must be a good idea, counting on that i have that was supoused to work, < 1372857188 483283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still horribly difficult to add fungot styles? < 1372857189 59169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: away a sec. the siemens mobile toolkit thing has the api classes as a fnord is a diaresis? < 1372857219 83855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has been horribly difficult? < 1372857225 835631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as difficult as it has been, however. < 1372857262 714438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means "involves, like, a dozen commands", assuming a suitably formatted dataset. < 1372857312 772923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372858331 698486 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372858385 497327 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://www.edepot.com/baseencryption.html < 1372858494 689705 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1372858582 288541 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: «As secure as OTP». yeah, right. < 1372858634 745655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are you doing some sort of a crypto-kook tour or what? < 1372858662 653806 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372858750 652897 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372860013 377045 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372862033 222187 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there still new ed versions? < 1372862430 629950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :improved error messages < 1372862737 357084 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372862998 192692 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372863005 196250 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1372863023 211301 :ohnowhy!~ohnowhy@p4FC0F294.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372896237 288981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so yeah. who has moved lately? <-- i have moved about 4 km southeast hth < 1372896249 962823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still in trondheim < 1372896458 433905 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372896491 468067 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372896581 877806 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll: How long ago is "ancient" < 1372896594 341709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday < 1372896605 679032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the 1990s < 1372896667 664540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :July 6, 1189 < 1372896743 849910 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long enough ago that I don't remember it < 1372896866 508690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372896934 615767 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372896939 131148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i believe i'm still within city limits, yes < 1372896958 527074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that poll sucked. < 1372896987 640735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can I have directions for when I visit < 1372897255 783605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://goo.gl/maps/SMmWk hth < 1372897299 714425 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a map of a crop? < 1372897312 709770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1372897632 200391 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372897762 617074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372897976 918595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: it's a cropped map of a crop hth < 1372898010 568486 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you live next to the beach though < 1372898013 536513 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds cool < 1372898052 416009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid much of that beach is also changing into apartments hth < 1372898085 507786 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it's a good news for the people who are gonna move into those appartments < 1372898118 841706 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoug according to that map, if you have just moved 4km southeast... you used to live in the sea? < 1372898155 910519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _approximately_ southeast. < 1372898159 913531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always knew oerjan was a mermaid < 1372898171 512691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was just something fishy about him this whole time. < 1372898280 481811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/2Whbx < 1372898316 374667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't I get at least a swat for that pun? < 1372898348 541673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap elliott < 1372898348 876643 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves elliott , so no slapping < 1372898350 923636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, oerjan lives on the roof. < 1372898352 652848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1372898391 570139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lived < 1372898397 478035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap elliott < 1372898397 682740 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws some pointy lambdas at elliott < 1372898432 223555 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiba are just so cute. http://i.imgur.com/VKT21lx.png < 1372898482 453202 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how am I not nice? < 1372898517 592108 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1372898521 740992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say you were not nice. < 1372898529 492886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1372898552 349291 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrmpf < 1372898556 266562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : aren't any coordinates approximate? like how many sigfigs are necessary to no longer be approximate <-- the exact point has to be inside your body hth < 1372898641 399213 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want any points inside of my body < 1372898698 107135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok copumpkin, I still like you. < 1372898704 56458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1372898714 233390 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs elliott and gives shachaf a dirty look while doing so < 1372898729 557865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if GPS is accurate enough for that. < 1372898733 401686 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you like copumpkin doesn't mean you have to like CT, btw < 1372898747 804678 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which CT are we talking about here? < 1372898771 429075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: See? < 1372898780 290526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dirty looks. < 1372898786 900862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of think I'm talking about. < 1372898789 106965 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives shachaf a dirtier look < 1372898791 254724 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 'Connecticut' would be less offensive than 'category theory' in this context < 1372898799 136182 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1372898804 189393 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives shachaf THE DIRTIEST LOOK < 1372898809 357539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1372898810 810171 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offending several million people vs. possibly hundreds < 1372898812 402034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. dirty < 1372898812 856740 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DIRTY YOU'LL NEED A SHOWER < 1372898894 648353 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372898905 724440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just showered < 1372898913 356931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot < 1372898914 113508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it any different from a copumpkin hug then? <--- burn & zing & snap < 1372898923 741646 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1372898960 268522 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs elliott just to hug elliott  < 1372898982 875075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1372898989 38690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is discriminating against me < 1372899016 315413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conspiracy < 1372899027 227630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs shachaf too, okay? :< < 1372899052 226874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a forced hug < 1372899056 394419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even mean anything < 1372899066 844337 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION force hugs shachaf  < 1372899067 49114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can feel the reluctance :'( < 1372899074 125643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1372899091 909316 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone read Gunnerkrigg? < 1372899098 133324 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Hetty huh < 1372899112 776807 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry ._. I just won't do anything next time... < 1372899124 482658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You were fine! It was a joke. < 1372899137 693313 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1372899162 304697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug Fiora < 1372899162 509367 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1372899173 103115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone read `olist? < 1372899176 487219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that vaarsuvius huh < 1372899204 499832 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1372899239 297435 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as such < 1372899278 997562 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372899311 545027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :history's worst mass-murderer < 1372899386 24835 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hetty sure is a character. < 1372899392 15839 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for sure, Bike < 1372899402 110269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you write ^-1 in Unicode? < 1372899425 425319 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rely on word processors < 1372899433 181310 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that know about Unicode < 1372899469 39107 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁻¹ not good enough for you huh < 1372899472 770360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fix your connection < 1372899485 617504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't < 1372899523 689132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm try harder < 1372899542 971162 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372899543 216968 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1372899543 217131 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1372899713 89470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so have you convinced them to make the rust syntax less ugly yet..... < 1372899781 512730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust syntax isn't so bad < 1372899785 938230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372899815 209250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1372899879 187186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have bested me < 1372900034 707979 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372900306 345937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i haven't < 1372900312 763818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was arguing a lot about semicolons today in #rust < 1372900697 785710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it bad < 1372900752 153485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about lexical syntax of comments < 1372900840 665874 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1372900908 917393 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This may seem like a sneaky attempt to trick developers, but this behavior is actually specified in HTML5[2]. The navigator.product property must be Gecko and navigator.appName should be either Netscape or something more specific. Strange recommendations, but Internet Explorer 11 follows them." < 1372900961 291435 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's wrong < 1372900963 96229 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Must return either the string "Netscape" or the full name of the browser, e.g. "Mellblom Browsernator". < 1372900963 300883 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1372901139 63734 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14573881/why-the-javascript-navigator-appname-returns-netscape-for-safari-firefox-and-ch < 1372901189 545479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone created a Mellblom Browsernator yet < 1372901717 982091 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372901781 706753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does anyone know how to make kernel modules stop being terrible. or at least how i can get their versions to learn that my version is actually a DLL from 1997. < 1372901864 14656 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im pretty sure thats just that dang ol eternal mystery again < 1372901883 680592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the mystery < 1372901903 375380 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1372901933 475232 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable all kernel modules < 1372901942 186827 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372901966 31924 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what I pasted wasn't wrong, I just misread < 1372901986 930480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill all humans < 1372902025 781247 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How do I turn this human back on again?" < 1372902032 674166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modprobe soul < 1372902034 245158 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't, Android Friend. You killed him." < 1372902036 718842 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" < 1372902048 990453 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :later Android Friend acquires a taste for blood etc. < 1372902054 710231 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many Academy Awards are won < 1372902780 378500 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1372902802 657723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about dlls < 1372902821 59847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, one interesting thing is that /*! foo bar */ is sugar for #[doc("foo bar")] or so < 1372902861 468939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is an example of an attribute < 1372902902 539041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :attributes seem cool to me, I guess they are really no different from __attribute__((foo)) or {-# FOO #-} but the syntax is less hackish, being designed in from the beginning < 1372902911 241372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have a standard sort of key-value syntax < 1372903114 243537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, {-# #-} is "designed in" < 1372903137 100176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not entirely so, since it's clearly made to be compatible with comments < 1372903138 269114 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, where's this gathering thing < 1372903144 369338 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when < 1372903147 986052 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any details at all < 1372903171 784958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :san francisco, tomorrow, evening-ish? < 1372903185 93704 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in san francisco < 1372903189 261442 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when evening-ish < 1372903215 663592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might go to sf earlier in the day < 1372903222 997408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1372903224 616190 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via Caltrain? < 1372903225 826313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not in haskell 98!!! < 1372903233 218974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's in 2010, at least < 1372903238 433893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1372903244 328063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 98 too < 1372903244 759562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/pragmas.html < 1372903247 184729 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I expect I will be joining you, probably < 1372903249 991323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1372903252 542302 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work best < 1372903268 25875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish they'd introduce a one-line --# FOO syntax < 1372903286 917816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: sgtm < 1372903299 307329 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (--#) = (+) in 2 --# 4 < 1372903300 247745 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1372903308 991109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will probably meet somewhere in the Mission or SoMa < 1372903312 925998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i know \"i know\"" < 1372903313 412936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live at 26th and Bryant < 1372903325 411253 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many acronyms < 1372903325 616024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we might be watching fireworks from mozilla office at 2 Harrison < 1372903331 202074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but likely not? < 1372903335 958809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway shachaf has my phone number < 1372903347 278066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kmc has mine < 1372903349 299870 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, mozilla will be overful of people already? < 1372903350 524275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still coming < 1372903363 863047 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not free as in free-fireworks-viewing? < 1372903364 334262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I do not have kmc's phone number < 1372903365 652300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: they're doing a lottery to see who can go < 1372903374 70845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have not sent out results yet < 1372903381 826770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lottery? < 1372903390 545819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a small office that lots of people want to go to or something? < 1372903400 394689 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about first-come-first-serve, get there 2 hours early. that will be fun. < 1372903437 29065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla fireworx, the new web browser written in rust < 1372903456 451661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a pretty large office but they say it's unsafe to have more than 100 people on the roof deck < 1372903464 348958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1372903533 380869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help shake the feeling that this some elaborate hazing ritual on kmc < 1372903550 631001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1372903560 271410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the ol' roof deck fireworks lottery" < 1372903796 781223 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Mozilla employees and friends of Mozilla employees don't do anything dumb like have illicit substances < 1372903802 443813 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would not be a fun party, in that case < 1372903821 119108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1372903837 398998 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, oh, or SF police just might not care, too. < 1372903839 578959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously going to be upset if people are smoking weed around you < 1372903842 410826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372903854 344277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF police could not possibly give less of a shit about people smoking weed < 1372903859 36221 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not that upset relatively speaking < 1372903877 32664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being upset about not liking the smell of smoke or something is reasonable < 1372903892 28410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a somewhat difficult smell to avoid in sf :'( < 1372903897 584246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is polite of people to smoke outdoors / otherwise away from people who mind < 1372903908 983319 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you want good examples of being not observing proper drug-smoking etiquette, just go to a music festival < 1372903910 638503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're very much against weed-smoking in general then, uh, you probably won't have a good time hanging out with me and my friends < 1372903950 683329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i was in Weed, CA once < 1372903958 68965 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you smoke weed 24/7 :o < 1372903961 596729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm against smoking weeds because you're not meant to just smoke random weeds from your garden......... try some drugs instead < 1372903999 346642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think smoking weeds, is cruel, to the weeds < 1372904010 793869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are drugs like drugz? < 1372904018 454900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, completely different < 1372904051 872410 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an PSA t-shirt saying "I'm high on Haskell" < 1372904063 24524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :im hi on hi < 1372904064 151661 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very effective on youngsters < 1372904064 642598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :- mnoqy < 1372904071 104731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so my july 4th looks like this < 1372904072 563715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: no, but on a holiday that is largely about looking at pretty explosions, it is safe to assume some weed will be smoked < 1372904077 929606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trondheim -> san francisco -> ??? < 1372904082 312107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe sf comes before trondheim < 1372904090 554899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else want me to visit < 1372904103 38549 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we having our antarctica trip < 1372904114 499732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why trondheim < 1372904125 472744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oerjan < 1372904129 139457 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372904153 794771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's oerjan's approximate body weigh < 1372904205 33525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how close would you say you are to san francisco < 1372904230 600197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1372904239 246251 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if i can "pull a Fiora" for you < 1372904275 389783 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a fiora and how do you pull it < 1372904348 403265 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i don't know < 1372904364 441404 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says a drive would take ten hours, 38 minutes < 1372904372 440715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ten hours, 41 minutes in present traffic, thanks < 1372904375 813731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds right < 1372904377 239587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but what if I have wings. < 1372904379 916902 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372904383 355708 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372904385 522877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be about 16 hours from where i lived in washington < 1372904397 691216 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, how far in miles < 1372904398 471015 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast do you fly exactly < 1372904402 61223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 24 hours if you stop to sleep et c < 1372904402 266263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you offering to like carry me < 1372904410 960441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372904411 402828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 670 < 1372904414 777600 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1372904420 258158 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far are you from new york < 1372904421 462956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats how much i love you Bike < 1372904427 205200 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1372904429 266870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty far imo < 1372904430 246584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: way farther < 1372904438 546742 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to like triangulate me < 1372904443 291840 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1372904449 688566 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd need 3 points for a triangulation < 1372904455 921220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well it's 44 hours. < 1372904460 867565 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, in current traffic, 44 hours. < 1372904469 12645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lotta hours < 1372904477 888088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think disatnces that long even exist < 1372904489 32322 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :british people, am i right < 1372904489 689190 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to just use two and discard the one that's in the sea < 1372904501 504574 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just like, ask < 1372904507 570527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Bike < 1372904512 467343 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is from Luxembourg. < 1372904518 23497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, HackEgo is fixed < 1372904520 407026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :says where i'm from not where i am! < 1372904523 368444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey HackEgo is fixed. < 1372904525 198712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Gregor < 1372904528 441521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess san francisco got my note. < 1372904534 12471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i drove from portland to california once :'( < 1372904545 508697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Hmm, is an Electronic Signature in a PDF file a thing? How do they work? [1] Yes. [2] It doesn't. < 1372904548 44020 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that too, imo it sucked. < 1372904549 847536 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1066) Hmm, is an Electronic Signature in a PDF file a thing? How do they work? [1] Yes. [2] It doesn't. < 1372904553 667228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover gets to readd his quote himself < 1372904562 815682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who gets to writee it < 1372904581 127314 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take the Interstate 84 E exit toward Ogden/Salt Lake, 589 mi" these directions are great < 1372904593 62438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok the plan is for Gracenotes and me to take the train to sf tomorrow and then meet y'all somewhere in soma/mission < 1372904601 17675 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep left at the fork, follow signs for I-80 E/Cheyenne and merge onto I-80 E < 1372904602 941385 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 1008 miles < 1372904619 664933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1008 miles :'( < 1372904625 77943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad mile amount < 1372904629 87589 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's recommending toll roads < 1372904630 683769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f u google < 1372904632 18482 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like < 1372904638 723277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth's radius < 1372904639 339077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's an option for no tolls < 1372904640 648163 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or most of it < 1372904642 162488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many walses is 1008 miles < 1372904663 848744 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the radius of the earth is apparently 3,959 miles < 1372904664 406833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 1008 miles in walses < 1372904667 413349 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.distancebetweencities.net/wales_me_and_west-van-lear_ky/ < 1372904667 617793 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Distance between Wales, ME and West Van Lear, KY 1008 Miles / 1622 Km < 1372904699 357716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*pi*3959 < 1372904700 545523 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24875.130631123982 < 1372904722 10272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo you should come visit < 1372904722 282431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how wide is wales < 1372904738 702545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: use the copumpkin method of travel < 1372904745 517002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already said i'm visiting tomorrow < 1372904746 609866 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1372904747 838359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is... there a city called wales < 1372904759 314119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: everything in the US is named after something in the isles, yes < 1372904771 481464 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this map makes it look like wales is about the size of massachusetts < 1372904772 782534 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`the isles' < 1372904774 44397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: the: not found < 1372904781 632969 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 1008 miles is like..................... i'm gonna say a hundred waleses at least. < 1372904827 909775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wales 10 miles < 1372904834 371952 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, misread as walrus < 1372904834 827448 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think so < 1372904849 324372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 8 settlements named wales in the us < 1372904906 894243 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh " It is about 274 km (170 mi) north–south and 97 km (60 mi) east–west" < 1372904908 469028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine leaving wales and being like < 1372904910 555929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez i miss that place < 1372904920 345425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's name this place that is definitely far better than wales, after wales < 1372904920 549959 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1008/97 < 1372904921 329321 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10.391752577319588 < 1372904925 148433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that was dumb < 1372904928 465447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1008/60 < 1372904929 399628 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16.8 < 1372904930 510562 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. < 1372904935 387551 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exacty 16.8 waleses < 1372904943 220078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of wales < 1372904991 178641 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space wales. Falling toward the planet over which they happened to come into existence. < 1372905020 24971 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you hate wales more than scotland < 1372905031 217285 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-54.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372905037 993959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can there not be two incomparably great evils in the world < 1372905045 238229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you hate scotland < 1372905047 353632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sgtm < 1372905052 839152 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We could not calculate directions between Moscow, Russia and Anadyr, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Russia." google maps disappoints me < 1372905078 455335 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We could not calculate directions between Moscow, Russia and Beijing, China." oh come on! there's a train < 1372905078 696778 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, because you're from england < 1372905085 269541 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus can only take self-hatred so far < 1372905108 991160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can you ask it whether there's a ferry from newcastle to uh what was it, bergen < 1372905109 599871 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, sadly they have fixed the bug where ferries are considered zero distance for foot directions < 1372905109 970966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you should call me or something when you know concrete plans, probably < 1372905112 783263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps should make a Soviet Russia joke when it can’t figure out a route in Russia. < 1372905126 121450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway /me vanishes for a bit < 1372905147 259895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which meant that if you asked for directions between any two sufficiently distant points in the british mainland it would take you across the irish sea at least twice < 1372905147 464511 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just send a global notice on all of freenode < 1372905157 653081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: awesome < 1372905163 307439 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we barely knew ya, shachaf < 1372905176 64094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i loved that < 1372905194 99568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sounds good < 1372905194 824899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once asked for directions from john o'groats to land's end < 1372905200 98229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about you call/text me when you arrive in sf < 1372905206 767259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can reply with my coördinates < 1372905221 908391 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it actually can give you directions from moscow to birobidzhan < 1372905231 970560 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. 2 + 3 = 1 * 5 and 2 * 3 = 1 + 5. < 1372905239 101263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the route went through all 4 UK countries, the republic, the isle of man, and france < 1372905240 957754 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I just discovered the greatest mathematical theorem ever. < 1372905244 714436 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions consist of "take this highway for 99 hours" but still < 1372905281 573690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: come on how do I get to norway < 1372905297 342850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're thinking well why would you want to but some of our less fortunate friends live there < 1372905326 571796 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok i'm done wrestling with russia let me see < 1372905346 844894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: O, you found out things like that. I don't think it is "the greatest mathematical theorem ever"; it is just something you notice. Others notice other things too, not only in mathematics. A while ago I noticed that the initial letters of the first four astrological signs are the same as the initial letters of DNA. < 1372905350 64611 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first let me see if it can do newcastle to Birobidzhan < 1372905352 995867 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god, it can. < 1372905353 200762 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: just find distinct factors of numbers with identical sums hth < 1372905372 217041 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7125 miles, 132 hours of driving < 1372905385 433605 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..or the other way around < 1372905396 871443 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so: you mean bergen norway right < 1372905405 703794 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is, it has you drive. < 1372905447 811987 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hpmordate < 1372905448 774978 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hpmordate: not found < 1372905450 616111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372905462 8160 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the chunnel, and then a ferry (!!!!!) from larvik to hirtshals. < 1372905497 311717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i mean trondheim norway < 1372905502 459658 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372905504 254764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bergen is just where the ferry used to go < 1372905517 418911 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah basically the same < 1372905521 505240 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you go norther < 1372905528 798807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but i don't have a car. < 1372905536 797881 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this takes 29 hours < 1372905543 81124 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, probably should leave like yesterday? < 1372905585 494077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, Fiora has the time travel thing sorted out. < 1372905598 357944 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, this thing can give you driving directions from hexham to Birobidzhan, that is cool as hell imo. < 1372905619 463310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impressive that there is even a way to get to not-hexham from hexham < 1372905636 409958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant get there from here, as they say < 1372905676 657956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit yes it does hexham to thailand < 1372905691 388297 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This route has tolls. This route includes a car transport." < 1372905707 404149 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to drive through iran. < 1372905711 677546 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and burma. < 1372905713 21987 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good route < 1372905736 444325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pic pls < 1372905757 237051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pass by Zubair Traders and Electronics (on the left in 0.3 mi)" this is the best shit < 1372905764 290761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea of some programming language for Magic: the Gathering cards. One feature is that the printout is different than the input; for example, replacing ~ with the card's name, displaying mana symbols, making reminder text italic, and changing around some of the special programming symbols into printout format (including hiding things if necessary). < 1372905788 206853 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://goo.gl/maps/lKISo < 1372905805 124021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm that's not a picture < 1372905807 223880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott's Journey < 1372905835 946625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like how it talks about like individual roundabouts < 1372905843 467275 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's great < 1372905853 330040 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will pass so-and-so petrol station, in waziristan < 1372905855 920417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, "Draw =3 cards." means the same as "Draw 3 cards." but prints as "Draw three cards." < 1372905871 270472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Driving directions to Cape Town, South Africa. This route crosses through multiple countries." < 1372905879 500900 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i christen this route "imperialism" < 1372905881 321961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :57. Continue onto E-75 < 1372905882 567558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pass by ГРАДСКО САОБРАЋАЈНО ПРЕДУЗЕЋЕ "БЕОГРАД" - САОБРАЋАЈНИ ПОГОН КОСМАЈ (on the right in 3.8 mi) < 1372905904 520416 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kazakhstan? < 1372905909 431635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"82. Slight right" jesus < 1372905918 312010 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes has you driving through dr congo < 1372905941 692540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you realise i have to travel this route sometime in my life now right < 1372905953 924214 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need to go to bangkok < 1372905960 626647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plurals of subtypes can be indicated by "=s" such as "Destroy all Wall=s." < 1372905971 172084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other ideas do you have about things like this? < 1372905986 545540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments are in parentheses. < 1372906019 965949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other punctuation has other purposes. < 1372906028 962363 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take you 100 days to walk without stopping < 1372906029 167490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus you can plot to /jakarta/ < 1372906063 13042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pass by CENTRAL BANK OF INDIA < 1372906067 977055 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much just trying to get the longest routes possible atm < 1372906077 993569 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's 249 hours, 10,289 mi < 1372906099 572940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i froze my browser < 1372906103 322796 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you walked for 6.6 hours a day, it would take you a full year < 1372906112 821089 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a ferry from singapore to indonesia. why did i not think of that. < 1372906144 352355 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__ < 1372906173 19627 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so a markup language? < 1372906191 920421 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, plus programming parts... < 1372906195 842897 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if wanted < 1372906211 641680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: We could not calculate directions between Hexham, Northumberland, UK and Antarctica. < 1372906245 142430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it can do hexham to dili though. < 1372906276 294538 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :340 hour drive < 1372906296 181803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is dili. < 1372906312 543131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 2 + 2 = 2 * 2 hth < 1372906315 870823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could not calculate directions between Hexham, Northumberland, UK and Tokyo, Japan. < 1372906318 886163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is useless < 1372906341 546189 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric := 2 ^ 2 < 1372906370 81005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hexham to serbia = success < 1372906375 516226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 25 hours though. < 1372906379 452336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1372906380 958638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1372906384 340855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :serbia isn't where i was thinking of < 1372906390 308532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god I've forgotten what it's called < 1372906398 504533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1372906403 475118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me Bike < 1372906413 779273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yes, kind of like that; I meant that it has markup used to reformat for printing, although the computer can also execute it as a program. < 1372906464 422406 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did hexham get significant here? < 1372906475 183186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the question nobody can answer, Gracenotes < 1372906480 686150 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this to do simulation-y stuff? < 1372906493 161215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: What is "simulation-y stuff"? < 1372906497 84796 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the standard libraries ofsuch a language might encode the rules of Magic < 1372906498 855867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok seriously, what's the place that's like russia but worse called. < 1372906511 699551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is literally the best description I have. < 1372906517 216992 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like, statistical analysis of various decks < 1372906583 629701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yes, that is what I mean; the standard libraries include rules of Magic. But I don't really mean statistical analysis (you can still do that, but you don't need to parse the card text as a program to do so); I mean to implement the game in computer. < 1372906833 103090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have further syntax for specifying that something is a card name, and so on. < 1372907038 841218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be a syntax <|> where the text before | is a program and after | is a comment; only the comment will print (and the <|> won't print). We could also have [] to embed Haskell codes, or whatever it is. < 1372907078 613905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use {} to delimit mana symbols and other symbols. < 1372907079 256975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: ok seriously, what's the place that's like russia but worse called. <-- belarus? < 1372907098 454522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, in russia. you know. thing < 1372907175 672329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. siberia. < 1372907188 717536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/o0EQIlV.png help. they're on to me < 1372907193 190810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that. not serbia < 1372907202 492581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT YOU < 1372907245 776300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a picture of Bryggen (Bergen world heritage site) < 1372907381 976235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only remaining hanseatic league office, or something like that < 1372907459 493234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing to do is that ~ and ~~ both mean a reference to itself (even if the text containing the tilde is being applied to a different object, although if it is copied, the text will refer to the copy), but prints as the name of the card. If the name of the card contains a comma, then ~~ will omit the comma and everything that comes after it. < 1372907530 229400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So there are many syntaxes to mean the same thing; what other programming languages also do the same thing and in a similar way?) < 1372907841 380448 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :siberia is like < 1372907842 471092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in russia < 1372907893 155732 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw that Birobidzhan place? EAST OF SIBERIA BRO < 1372907958 215787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :geography is too hard when I'm this tired, Bike. < 1372908098 306749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where'd you think a place called Birobidzhan was gonna be < 1372908100 94759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :texas? < 1372908149 429540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :france < 1372908981 746024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paris, texas, clearly < 1372909504 788543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok < 1372909574 295932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you ever finish inventing n-dimensional fenceposts < 1372909632 248511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://contemplatecode.blogspot.com/2013/07/haskell-weekly-news-issue-272.html < 1372910814 840926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i just did https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&curid=53398&diff=562623568&oldid=562606940 and i've come to think about whether there are any other, disjoint communities of note. didn't there use to be quite a bit of stuff in japanese, which might mean there's a whole disjoint community as well... < 1372910966 926699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need jsvine to finish that article so we can have more citations on wikipedia < 1372911127 666559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to google translate https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/難解プログラミング言語 and google tells me the address is invalid :( < 1372911154 756180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think they'd get that stuff right for a translation tool < 1372911160 129417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you'd < 1372911200 704564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: works for me < 1372911207 950976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1372911212 470083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i used the google translate built into chromium < 1372911237 110630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like these descriptions of languages < 1372911243 101551 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Japanese esolang & obfuscation community is vibrant (to me), and it is more or less disjoint < 1372911256 407388 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to esolangs.org and etc. < 1372911293 18216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_somehow_ i'd got a :443 port into there, it worked when i removed it. < 1372911295 995711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge self-change possible two-dimensional array source code < 1372911313 581262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy K in a pure functional language, rather than the syntax for defining a new function, built-in function does not exist only three < 1372911314 723449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: so i thought the english wikipedia should have a link to it < 1372911337 430252 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think there is no central point in Japanese community though < 1372911381 864437 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many activities occur in hatena diaries (Japanese's equvialent to LJs, or similar) of interested people < 1372911411 167280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you should invent a programming language < 1372911411 723149 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but big bucks are for it. if it's the code, forcer?... by clog? cmeme does the logging. < 1372911424 428356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1372911431 420980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go for the big bucks < 1372911431 934359 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, maybe someone will rip the eventual dvd subtitles... otherwise it works just as well? < 1372911457 790316 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that the community itself is smaller, but they have managed to make esolang and obfuscation (specifically code golfing) to a general pastime of Japanese programmers somehow < 1372911507 757757 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it was possible < 1372911515 966323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it seems like it overlaps significantly with golf in japan < 1372911521 672130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a greater extent than in the west < 1372911525 445196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know how true this is < 1372911549 540417 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, code golfing is a lot popular in Japan than in the west (I think) < 1372911551 317491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you just said that < 1372911578 814743 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of code golfers happen to be interested in esolangs < 1372911621 378680 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372911643 802879 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen such unexpected popularity in Korea < 1372911708 273407 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(popularity, is of course relative, and we all know most programmers don't know even their existence, but golfing is relatively popular in Japan than in the west...) < 1372911918 437847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think any programming culture which has these kind of oddities at the forefront is pretty great < 1372912440 308947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh _Mathematics Made Difficult_ is good < 1372912468 170308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there golfing with assembly, like, writing the shortest assembly program in bytes? I guess demos are a little like that < 1372912487 847710 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've herad < 1372912488 895874 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard < 1372912491 499897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1372912497 565744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoptimization < 1372912514 303060 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372912526 189057 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't count in assembly since it might actually be useful. < 1372912537 654414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1372912560 158922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: imo we should play x86 golf < 1372912578 677757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's actually useful < 1372912584 158040 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can do totally silly things that are really slow < 1372912598 161487 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but small < 1372912615 707059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are always extreme cases. < 1372912624 366685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the fun part! doing silly things < 1372912643 635924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when i do them < 1372912647 398382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's called being confusing < 1372912717 420503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess I'll fix lens instead. < 1372912881 552633 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer... HOLY SHIT < 1372912884 549000 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Changing host < 1372912884 753746 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1372912896 866081 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in the wrong order, though. Everyone knows the order is GCAT, not ATGC. < 1372912926 960676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there is an order of the DNA. < 1372913231 474902 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated: I like how there's some consensus about what the most important mathematical concept is. < 1372913280 506983 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the function. < 1372913282 813207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of consensus about what the easiest mathematical concept is, too < 1372913307 146754 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Lemme try to think what I think the easiest mathematical concept is. < 1372913338 814887 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna say... the contrapositive of the substitution principle. If two things differ in some way, then they are not the same thing. < 1372913349 281979 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leibniz equality? < 1372913443 478701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: help you're not even in #haskell < 1372913450 181123 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. The Leibniz equality reminds me of a certain philosophical argument that there should be no uncountable sets. < 1372913455 784191 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i be in #haskell. < 1372913493 343162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ion is talking about leibniz equality in #haskell < 1372913504 118163 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncountable proper classes are okay, but there should be no uncountable sets. The idea is that given two different uncountable sets, it may be impossible to distinguish between them even given an infinite amount of time. < 1372913507 83348 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but that's some weird typery i don't really care about. < 1372913522 83056 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if two things are impossible to distinguish, they should not be considered different. < 1372913528 641440 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uncountable sets should not be admitted. < 1372913541 670206 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sounds............. constructive < 1372913737 608193 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372913917 811506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1372914555 238394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i still don't know if there's a way to get a pointer to the Japanese community into wikipedia, but at least i found the KEMURI language to add to our wiki. < 1372914969 303773 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372915054 284983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder which IE designer had the bright idea of excluding https links from the _users own log_... < 1372916061 351636 :geo5!~IceChat77@c-24-18-117-153.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372916064 8704 :geo5!~IceChat77@c-24-18-117-153.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1372917181 188087 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Not About The Nail http://youtu.be/-4EDhdAHrOg < 1372917873 974271 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372917948 307454 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372918472 419287 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1372918833 212967 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1372918977 237740 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-54.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372919079 545605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: and sometimes it really _isn't_ about the nail but everyone insists it is. < 1372919140 499037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i just am that lady, sigh. < 1372919165 780562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the nail is just a penis. I mean a nail. < 1372919181 468260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, freudzie < 1372919924 149211 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372922481 272644 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372922558 420633 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372922580 966776 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even get lambdabot to work with irc :( < 1372922596 623769 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1372922655 143559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "but i work just fine!" < 1372922656 829429 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "but i work just fine!" < 1372922712 421138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea what the parameters of the irc-connect function actually are? < 1372922758 674900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume network name, network address, port, user name, ???, ??? < 1372922780 445440 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last two may be passwort and join message or the like, but i'm pretty unsure < 1372922972 697615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you forgot the name and bloodtype of your firstborn < 1372922977 490462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1372922991 700500 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's because there is no firstborn < 1372923010 156655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well then you cannot run lambdabot sorry < 1372923015 976409 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1372923093 464133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found nothing that looks like a documentation, though < 1372923107 355568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help irc-connect < 1372923107 560291 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc-connect tag host portnum nickname userinfo. connect to an irc server < 1372923122 815238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, there is this online.rc file, but we won't tell you what it looks like" < 1372923134 4869 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1372923143 457013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tag, hostname, port, nick, user < 1372923145 898975 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i set a server password? < 1372923159 766644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lambdabot came with an online.rc... < 1372923163 4874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can. < 1372923178 594518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine didn't < 1372923210 111216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ellimokus got rid of it. < 1372923212 94749 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just threw out cabal install and got a dictionary with a bunch of binaries < 1372923231 196948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe try "cabal unpack lambdabot" < 1372923270 587026 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then making the setup steps myself? < 1372923286 848103 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't see the advantages, but well < 1372923309 93363 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can't provide a server password, it may be pretty useless for me nontheless < 1372923474 731039 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372923501 116092 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the unpacked online.rc is "password.rc" as a parameter of the irc-connect command, but i don't find password.rc ... < 1372923594 263995 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372923907 651840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Argh < 1372923929 990297 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372924029 83741 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372924056 501164 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1372924469 494556 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, just looking at the code makes me crying blood < 1372924532 382226 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1372924553 901852 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which code? < 1372924558 392138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how hard can it be to look at how to add a password" < 1372924567 709721 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me < 1372925332 228335 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372927474 342519 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372928012 668443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was inevitable really < 1372928034 498196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1372928040 906860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, your quote. < 1372928234 939854 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugz https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1015321_10200452898865210_1550553282_o.jpg < 1372928266 908714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugz doing drugz #drugs < 1372928277 312611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help where did that s come from < 1372928323 396462 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO < 1372928537 661845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: do you have a link / translation? < 1372928583 498408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s just a boring article about people using more cannabis, the image was the funny part. < 1372928604 102246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Are there TeX macros for typesetting Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1372928604 306961 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1372928623 512285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yeah so why is there a syringe < 1372928630 837035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is confused < 1372928637 868657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://repo.or.cz/w/TeXnicard.git < 1372928665 111314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw if the article says: how many people in your fair country smoke weed, anyway < 1372928679 465491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1372928731 629178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, zzo338 runs an irc server < 1372928767 657949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/zzo38-irc.txt < 1372928802 431912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1372928826 324365 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+HITLER sounds awsome. < 1372928828 198768 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1372928834 736540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/join +HITLER < 1372928855 299743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a + channel anyway < 1372928885 696923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These unmoderated channels work almost exactly the same as '#' channels, except nobody can obtain channel operator status on them. Some implementations seem to set the channel mode to '+nt' upon creation, however most implementations act as if modes +nt are set but don't announce them as being set. < 1372928897 125444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The only numbers in the visible part of the article are about 132 drugz-related crimes in Central Ostrobothnia last year, 114 in the preceding year. < 1372928923 445940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: if i drugz will i become a criminal < 1372928926 590167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "having drugz" a drugz-related crime < 1372928993 188022 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think so. The paragraph talks about “crimes related to the use and sales of cannabis”, which probably means “the use and sales of cannabis”. < 1372929008 647389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then kind of a bullshit metric imo < 1372929020 177731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all should join me on zzo38computer.org < 1372929022 710456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :port 194 < 1372929029 953534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the ICANN port for IRC? < 1372929039 517611 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc 194/tcp < 1372929050 551141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1372929057 331986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IANA? whoever) < 1372929081 282919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I reddit.com/r/IANA < 1372930326 229558 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372930326 229720 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372930669 194739 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372932094 396576 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372932824 287476 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://crypto.cat/ http://tobtu.com/decryptocat.php < 1372932885 677874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good cryptography < 1372934637 90158 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372935480 758055 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372936951 935765 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372939883 753761 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1372941298 264656 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372941415 358621 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372943855 545286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason dbelange has an urban dictionary entry < 1372943887 102736 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so does zzo) < 1372944016 925982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buy zzo38 mugs & shirts" it is amuse < 1372944032 81830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly there are no statistics as to how many have been bought. < 1372944056 235404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that: I have one too. (But it's not one I'm very proud of.) < 1372944128 282911 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372944146 982111 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1372944163 296467 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372944190 595633 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372944193 333082 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372944454 408164 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372944779 618929 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372945478 422660 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-54.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372945479 341037 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372945688 749096 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you do? < 1372945702 870479 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried 'fizzie' but it just came up with the standard ridiculous sex act < 1372946549 510197 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372947713 775224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the standard ridiculous sex act is what I meant. < 1372947745 618381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "The act of shoving Pop-Rocks (TM) into the male penis via the urethra. [add a video]" please don't add a video < 1372948469 752722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, would you be obliged to watch it because it depicts something named after you, or something? < 1372948496 320207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's a video the world needs to contain < 1372948611 791979 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it < 1372950126 464040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Isn't that how it works? (But also what P_H said.) < 1372950967 401213 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-30-54.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372951438 474570 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372951627 405212 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372951800 531535 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372952142 539110 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1372953799 796962 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372954172 600073 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372955142 134813 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372955290 844217 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372955488 654601 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8j0 ÷ 0j1 gives me 0J0.125. what the shit < 1372955524 658761 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wait, 0j8. < 1372955604 490151 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's still wrong... how do you mess up complex division, guy who made this < 1372955663 243478 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372955663 614288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty complex < 1372955689 168825 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even a real pun fuck you < 1372955706 730887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dont question me < 1372955720 778603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a question! < 1372955724 289473 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a statement < 1372972322 964856 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1372972325 351362 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372972329 129037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically glogbot just gives up after some hours each day, it seems < 1372972353 892658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you'd, like, expect if the disks are full i guess) < 1372972884 725594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372973035 948669 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bags packed ready for Silicon Dreams tomorrow :-) < 1372973055 314436 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes they're selling some cool stuff... < 1372973076 223248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the electric sheep kind of dreams < 1372973170 867788 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.silicondreams.org.uk no sign of electric sheep :-( < 1372973300 413072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks charming < 1372974275 325013 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372974869 568684 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1372976357 50715 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372976421 54425 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.94.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372977718 127921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i think cabal is breaking because i named by new laptop's user "Ørjan" < 1372977749 380049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles everything fine and then gives invalid byte sequences on the final registrations < 1372977785 634466 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1372977840 219250 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1372977980 371720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nasty < 1372977988 687914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprising that they don't handle that, maybe there's an issue for it... < 1372978032 949735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no the "new haskell script" shortcut from the file browser isn't there. hm maybe it was actually hugs that made that on my old laptop, way back. < 1372978097 92695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course if they _have_ fixed it, i probably cannot install the fixed version D: < 1372978160 350877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds like an excellent time to install linux >:) < 1372978921 926851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after i get rid of this crippling loss of motivation to do anything involving yak shaving. (except agoran Yaks, they're cool.) < 1372979000 656104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly what I need to do is bring an ubuntu CD to trondheim. < 1372979542 595652 :maddock!~Maddock@99-73-139-91.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372980218 475156 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 NICK :nooodl < 1372980319 270059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm blanking on a clever way to compute x // 2 + x // 4 + x // 8 + ..., help < 1372980335 265127 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x = 2^n it's n-1 but that's all i got < 1372980407 883094 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess i can just iterate //2, that's something < 1372980446 497791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's // and how's its precedence < 1372980463 801442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer division < 1372980478 593075 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the actual way you write it < 1372980571 950500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably depends on language (haskell is `div` or `quot`) < 1372980593 105018 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tryin' to be all mathy here donchaknow < 1372980598 976705 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like 15 // 2 = 7, 16 // 2 = 8, etc < 1372980610 310612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case [ x / 2 ] is one way < 1372980635 163926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i'm guessing [] isn't iverson bracket < 1372980660 112254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except _ideally_ without top horizontal part of brackets < 1372980681 477375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's floor < 1372980688 597414 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, how's that wor. < 1372980689 997283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1372980692 5575 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike wouldn't that give a similar result as multiplying by MAXINT-1 and taking the high word of the result? Which might be similar to computing 0-x. < 1372980735 910825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: i think you get trouble with the bits you want to cut off giving carry into the bits you want to keep < 1372980768 804852 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like, this(15) = 11 for instance < 1372980779 100868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'd kind of like to generalize it to bases other than two. < 1372980795 934797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surely [...] is rounding < 1372980796 139309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...now you're just being difficult :P < 1372980809 821155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, doesn't it have to be ceiling as well. < 1372980825 647986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well floor(15/2) isn't 11 anyway so i don't get what oerjan meant. < 1372980833 870588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i vaguely thought it meant floor by default, but you always want < 1372980844 286086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i mean 15 // 2 = floor (15 / 2) < 1372980845 55999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he meant for denoting integer division < 1372980851 64411 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1372980853 12335 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1372980858 906515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I always want? < 1372980873 101360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*always want to cut off top or bottom for clarity < 1372980906 260590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1372980914 478535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome maddock < 1372980921 487729 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​12maddock: Welcome08 to the intern08ational hub for esot05eri03c programmin09g language des04ign an03d deployment! For mo12re02 i08nform06a06ti03on, check out our wiki13: http://esola08ngs13.org/wiki/Main13_Pa13ge. 14(05F14o04r the o03ther kind 03of esoterica, try #eso09t07eric on02 irc.04dal13.05n14et11.) < 1372980923 274309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floor_and_ceiling_functions#Notation < 1372980954 315116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: i'm not sure what you meant but (x * (2^n)-1) >> n doesn't work < 1372980976 350467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what i'm thinking is this is sort of a summing of a triangle of bits < 1372981014 693446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly you cannot consider gauss to be _wrong_ hth < 1372981017 418939 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe start with y=1, result=0. If the right bit of x is set then result=result+y. Then shift x right. shift y left and add 1. Then repeat until x=0 < 1372981051 520927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pfft, what's gas but a load of hot air < 1372981074 768078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kind of bizarre that APL lead to a change in common mathematical notation... < 1372981086 225325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such simple operations < 1372981107 554488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who uses floor and ceiling besides CS people anyway < 1372981114 10700 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw i have no idea what triangle of bits means < 1372981127 150603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh now i see the confusion - the notation _was_ invented by iverson, but it's not what's called "iverson brackets" :P < 1372981133 876008 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, no < 1372981142 147136 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iverson brackets is [foo] = 1 if foo is true, 0 otherwise < 1372981148 383330 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda useful but not like. related. < 1372981164 413144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Dijkstra liked those < 1372981175 726406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though he hated APL I guess < 1372981187 66653 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dijkstra hated everything, though < 1372981195 17555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it was Knuth who liked it < 1372981202 990533 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah he uses it all the time < 1372981205 518122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but he was cuddly on the inside. < 1372981225 105136 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are hedgehogs < 1372981273 24874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hedgehogs are great < 1372981362 708338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1372981422 157 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth uses it in his book < 1372981443 983950 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you express the halting problem as an iversen bracket < 1372981462 60146 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would have to be two brackets nested < 1372981510 32871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H(x) = [x halts] < 1372981588 656934 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i really wanted was an iverson bracket you cant give the value 0 or 1 to < 1372981986 173441 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't give a value to [is {some set of matrices} mortal] :P < 1372982017 892621 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does have a value 0 or 1 < 1372982020 351198 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if we cant find it < 1372982040 678131 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well an iverson bracket is defined to have a value of 0 or 1. < 1372982047 265233 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just... how it's defined < 1372982100 590708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well X = [X = 0] can't be given a value. < 1372982108 921974 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think there's some non recursive X I could write [X] and argue that it cant be given as 0 or 1 < 1372982150 110250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between "does have a value [...] even if we cant find it" and "cant be given as 0 or 1" < 1372982152 670425 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think you can do it with 2 []'s but not 1 < 1372982169 81654 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh < 1372982177 702940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume that for any given P you can prove ~([P] <> 0 /\ [P] <> 1) < 1372982181 10539 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike i want an actual contradiction from assuming [X] = 0 or [X] = 1 < 1372982194 382030 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott what if P includes iverson brackets too? < 1372982195 244056 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uh, elliott gave that < 1372982203 245601 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonrecursive < 1372982205 567415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and excluded middle gives [P] = 0 \/ [P] = 1 presumably < 1372982212 426994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: well, hmm < 1372982216 338846 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought you meant "recursive" like "computable" < 1372982218 448926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't actually know < 1372982226 864506 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's is just the liar paradox and there are nonrecursive liar paradoxes < 1372982254 161089 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quick, how do you do yields falsehood) < 1372982257 916130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I think the function [-] : Prop -> 2 existing is just equivalent to LEM? < 1372982285 161634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go from that to LEM is easy, you just plug the proposition into the function and then you get either a proof of P or not P by the definition of [-]. < 1372982299 307462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go the other way, you define the function by casing on whether the proposition you're given is true or not. < 1372982336 690927 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit < 1372982733 356179 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] aren't actually used in APL at all < 1372982748 486002 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are, but they're used for indexing, not iverson brackets < 1372982795 93421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf and Gracenotes are in my living room < 1372982837 238703 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1372982840 973426 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinotes < 1372982841 344632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they high < 1372982856 28527 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, did you let them in < 1372982888 242661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372982890 660212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no < 1372982938 438492 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1372982980 887168 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the iverson bracket is well defined :( < 1372982988 435012 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it annoys me that you cant break it < 1372983042 257754 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372983043 102127 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's well defined insofar as letting you put arbitrary propositions everywhere is well defined < 1372983131 723293 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1372983287 830833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i am hi < 1372983289 813534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1372983297 213458 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1372983321 464606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372983337 537442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1372983428 438401 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. < 1372983681 65079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel for hi people | [ WOMAN VOCALIZING ] ♪♪ [ MAN SPEAKING BACKWARDS ] | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1372984152 197530 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1372985204 77985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372985660 906791 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372986007 489455 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this the biggest #esoteric meetup yet?? < 1372986058 252851 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372986802 912990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :meetup????? < 1372987262 23254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372987266 720600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet. up. < 1372987290 152441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't know where nooodl or quintopia lives < 1372987302 582739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out everyone in #esoteric lives in san francisco. spooky < 1372987319 911555 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sf < 1372987362 780391 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :later this month i might be quite close to hexham though... fsvo close (i'll be "in the uk") < 1372987401 786503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can visit taneb < 1372987510 908755 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i visit taneb < 1372987534 517925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1372987618 182938 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i end up going to hexham somehow it'd only be fitting not to visit anyone there < 1372987762 231871 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372987773 563089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres taneb < 1372987846 198184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham < 1372987937 34253 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :update on previous question: i found a really easy algorithm and i don't now how it works because i forgot < 1372987949 902649 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372988258 353075 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1372988330 120638 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988330 120671 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988330 120733 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988330 120793 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988330 325472 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988330 325613 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988330 530275 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372988422 894331 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-lovwnubflfntklda JOIN :#esoteric < 1372988748 545779 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372988778 753147 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372988785 284138 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372988960 532805 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372989019 458100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372989041 868291 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989234 278604 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989271 980717 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989291 623416 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1372989462 414020 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989558 664895 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989559 113424 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989559 113583 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989559 317976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989586 810481 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989588 419233 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989597 955627 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989624 639461 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989630 891709 :Lumpio_!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989638 149110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots mysanthrop, myname's evil twin < 1372989726 805938 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happen < 1372989727 736863 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372989732 229375 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shachaf! < 1372989742 354404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees wikipedia lists some important anniversaries for today < 1372989759 173049 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiuaf < 1372989813 627082 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1372989830 868377 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today we celebrate america by drinixing beer and listening to canadian post-rock music < 1372989841 103216 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do anyway < 1372989850 411361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess for you americans these anniversaries are tomorrow. < 1372989866 961348 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did services disappear < 1372989885 323451 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchy, &c. < 1372989927 916827 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989928 121734 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989928 326419 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989928 326499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989928 326578 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989928 326652 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989928 531261 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1372989956 933120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chanserv seems to respond "No such nick/channel" to every command, including help :P < 1372989972 231410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, the pizza < 1372990000 223414 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372990323 143545 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372990537 351468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1372990643 952136 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372990789 479715 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372991336 689269 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372991357 738510 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372992491 588605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh, it's not chanserv responding, it's the server saying chanserv doesn't exist XD < 1372992562 901574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I going to ban everyone now?? < 1372992563 896195 :sacje!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372992573 331350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :patience, elliott < 1372992880 564620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc_: are you and shachaf talking over IRC while being in the same room < 1372992954 935481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was going to comment on that but then realized it was a mandatory geek ritual < 1372993030 290097 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it count as a ritual if it's just because you're dorks < 1372993078 205725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm this is getting serious, we need to ban Bike now but cannot < 1372993122 966854 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i've done it too!! < 1372993125 520200 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an "insider" here < 1372993132 678803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1372993152 885005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go back into elliott's general queue then < 1372993166 249656 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1372993222 37421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals the top of elliott's queue < 1372993266 919229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you have spared one person from the onslaught... at the end..... one person in #esoteric shall remain unbanned < 1372993274 211356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may bet amongst yourselves as to who it is < 1372993285 76593 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obvious, zzo38. < 1372993292 197439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually glogbot. < 1372993305 144083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty zen, imo. < 1372993748 622361 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I'll just occupy elliott forever with magical friendship beams < 1372993753 791310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he'll never ban anyone! < 1372993764 628252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: help < 1372993781 517035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly my plan is foiled. < 1372993790 781344 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm no match for friendship beams sorry < 1372993794 299230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: useful tip! elliott is weak to friendship < 1372993806 533789 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes in quest manual < 1372993830 989677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you need to get past elliott, don't try to attack him, just ask nicely and offer to have nice long conversations with him! then just give him some cookies and go on your way < 1372993841 843717 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful tip for final bosses < 1372993882 761900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I gotta resign ops. will never get to ban anyone at this rate. < 1372993888 840884 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, cookies might be hard < 1372993889 794671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my weaknesses, laid bare. < 1372993896 914093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's ok you can still ban unfriendly people < 1372993916 626633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i have any idea why anyone would want to do that. < 1372993957 968987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the hardness can be balanced with chocolate hth < 1372993965 777112 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1372994003 69038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, brits love stale cookies. < 1372994007 380767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about chocolate cookies? < 1372994011 620105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate fudge brownies? < 1372994017 222387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with chocolate syrup and strawberries < 1372994066 648702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish, fiora < 1372994084 843997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora is clearly a veteran of many battles < 1372994089 947790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendora < 1372994099 551045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever said we need a portmanteau bot is right. < 1372994110 563396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i thought we did < 1372994114 464062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50 < 1372994116 896950 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bal cadiffel fo in clemoricomiclet ia symparokip mcepapj lazcansori jambselle nehagelifiigmedinttaceldstricidamil annkoech ingie frivskelen twelmaban kleselix pellisphteci etu ime pels adcad calidenticelpe neptes handrinco glawa non chby irmullated duresticntre glethriewiverig igue sum mas alme manaecans probiletyburzenrized succs nlelon nits ston < 1372994145 459960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, they should have been portmanteaus in a real language. < 1372994146 502856 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a bot to make a portmanteau given some words. < 1372994148 325227 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep up oerjan. < 1372994165 608132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a portmanbot, gotcha < 1372994187 525783 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, what if it was portmanbeaut? this is why it's necessary < 1372994195 13322 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote `thanks again? noodl? let's make him do it < 1372994209 619064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally if you said "foo, bar" it would portmanteau them automatically. < 1372994227 599646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we could replace shachaf with it :P < 1372994291 793399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, cleverchaf < 1372994950 481058 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 NICK :myname < 1372994981 611069 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody tell me how the series floor(x*b^-n) over n works. < 1372995021 984001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well < 1372995035 467271 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for positive n. < 1372995038 638131 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important < 1372995119 545713 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hurry it up! < 1372995130 299762 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372995151 633696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I told you! it works very well. < 1372995176 960379 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your the fucking wurst < 1372995187 395139 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1372995193 402399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wurst? mmm sausage < 1372995197 49005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1372995405 794339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is decreasing hth < 1372995562 886626 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372995575 439052 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a fun challenge. Can you write a program which prompts for the number of elements and then displays and output like: http://pastebin.com/bnziw40r < 1372995588 326688 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pattern is simple. First write one's(1) along the top for the number of elements, then write one's(1) down for number of elements - 1 and then back along the bottom for number of elements -2 and then back up again for number of elements - 3 and so on and so on... < 1372995610 823436 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,4,6,10,12,16,18,22 < 1372995612 588275 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Primes minus 1.[1,2,4,6,10,12,16,18,22,28,30,36,40,42,46,52,58,60,66,70,72,7... < 1372995631 602507 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow. < 1372995684 254383 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mastring: i believe that is called a spiral. also < 1372995686 296119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mastring < 1372995688 663089 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mastring: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1372995787 902969 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :) < 1372995865 427676 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a solution in C < 1372996083 978523 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice to see some esoteric solutions :) < 1372996149 500493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1372996271 273890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks to me like a problem that _needs_ a mutable 2d array for the solution to be simple < 1372996289 267461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't tempt me to try and find a cute functional knot-tying solution < 1372996307 989900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um, tempting to tempt you, there < 1372996371 833231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps you could calculate based on the center somehow < 1372996478 904453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge98 should be able to handle this, anyway. < 1372996637 101122 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372996641 641533 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think? < 1372996657 169941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge98 is good with 2d stuff, being a 2d language < 1372996688 833351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i'm thinking here is that everything except for the left edge is part of a pattern that can be extended infinitely outwards < 1372996731 497969 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it was more than 10 there'd be more empty columns right < 1372996778 6 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is that logically you'd want 1's down that left edge instead of 0's < 1372996815 713846 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts on fingers < 1372996816 631005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah. < 1372996882 367544 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks simple until you look at it and then you realize you can't solve it the way you thought and then you think and think and think and wait a minute all I have to do is....This is a simple problem after all. ;P < 1372997063 178622 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372997137 863676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mastring: note that if you remove the left edge, then it's entirely symmetric between 0's and 1's if you rotate it 180 degrees < 1372997276 767168 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1372997326 559002 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to solve it functionally? and the first implementation that came to mind was to rotate the permutations lexically: < 1372997336 493055 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51836583/Screenshots/oh.png < 1372997350 611907 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, an odd cardinality simply doesn't render. < 1372997360 232937 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just what I thought of then, idk :P < 1372997469 653550 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372997507 229047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm thinking of a weirder way of building the n+1 case from the n one < 1372997510 589633 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372997535 829872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, rotate the matrix clockwise, then put a line of 1's on top and a line of 0's on the bottom (this ignores the left edge) < 1372997643 933569 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1372997659 308584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372997736 939940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this _would_ be possible in a knot-tying way, wouldn't it. < 1372997754 204777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or recursive, anyway < 1372997796 767793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is glad to have planted the seed in oerjan's mind < 1372997799 194112 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well, i worked something out. sum of floor(x*b^-n) for positive n is (x - base b digital sum of x)/(b-1). < 1372997810 515579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor is the worst clearly < 1372997836 747584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is rather pointless since computing digital sum is hard anyway but still. < 1372997861 177605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i wasn't really expecting a more efficient method than shifting and looping, here < 1372997882 44606 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can dream < 1372998007 32360 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just glad i worked out something resembling a fact, in the pursuit of something unrelated and also pointless < 1372998246 247526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let spiral 1 = ["1","0"]; spiral n = replicate n '1' : (transpose . reverse $ spiral (n-1)) ++ [replicate n '0'] in var . unlines $ spiral 5 < 1372998247 276106 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `var' < 1372998247 480961 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `Data.Number.Symbolic.... < 1372998253 24633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott!!! < 1372998258 404346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372998265 26079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1372998266 91581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ughh < 1372998268 952428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1372998274 956105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you ruin my favorite text unescaper :( < 1372998284 158327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let spiral 1 = ["1","0"]; spiral n = replicate n '1' : (transpose . reverse $ spiral (n-1)) ++ [replicate n '0'] in text . unlines $ spiral 5 < 1372998284 983703 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11111 < 1372998285 188630 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 00001 < 1372998285 188803 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 01101 < 1372998285 188909 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 01001 < 1372998285 413088 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 01111 < 1372998287 406880 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 00000 < 1372998307 181731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one should I import < 1372998313 962683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24:33 It could refer to either `Data.Number.Symbolic.var', < 1372998314 167946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24:33 imported from `Data.Number.Symbolic' at L.hs:82:1-27 < 1372998316 951776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24:33 or `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.var', < 1372998318 343621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess probably the latter < 1372998320 989157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:24:33 imported from `Debug.SimpleReflect' at L.hs:93:1-26 < 1372998347 993459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i think they both are useful for this purpose, although i _think_ the former used to be imported < 1372998354 410875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm old lambdabot had - yes < 1372998365 410692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the latter is more general... < 1372998366 421284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter can be faked with fun ... :: Expr < 1372998405 87283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mastring: anyway that's how you can do it functionally in haskell :) < 1372998411 243289 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1372998420 608267 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Guest83873 < 1372998421 29230 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-lovwnubflfntklda NICK :Guest13514 < 1372998421 787573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tempted to import the latter because I can import the former module as S but would have a harder time coming up with a single-letter alias for the latter < 1372998423 613873 :sacje!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :Guest21838 < 1372998424 426227 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372998432 861980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1372998448 421008 :Guest13514!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-lovwnubflfntklda QUIT :Changing host < 1372998448 625612 :Guest13514!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1372998474 403954 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1372998480 98860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1372998480 802682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-import Data.Number.Symbolic hiding (var) < 1372998481 7399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-import qualified Data.Number.Symbolic as Sym < 1372998481 7580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+import Data.Number.Symbolic < 1372998490 212383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff -u Pristine.hs .lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs) < 1372998498 812273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I intended to do that but never actually put it in the actual file < 1372998526 36116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1372998526 241158 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1372998527 305867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sym "x" < 1372998528 136342 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `sym' < 1372998528 341230 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1372998528 341411 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : `sum' (imported fro... < 1372998531 650121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "x" < 1372998532 486463 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1372998555 281739 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let spiral 1 = ["1","0"]; spiral n = replicate n '1' : (transpose . reverse $ spiral (n-1)) ++ [replicate n '0'] in text . unlines $ spiral 10 < 1372998556 137424 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1111111111 < 1372998556 342131 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0000000001 < 1372998556 342309 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0111111101 < 1372998556 342419 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0100000101 < 1372998556 342531 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0101110101 < 1372998558 155423 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0101010101 < 1372998560 141417 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 010... < 1372998590 924478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that extra space on the first line is a lambdabot quirk < 1372998636 849673 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would this work in ideone? < 1372998667 894268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume so with a minor modification < 1372998932 507562 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372998933 21381 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What sort? < 1372998977 445050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute < 1372999025 119507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/VGXllV < 1372999555 458339 :maddock!~Maddock@99-73-139-91.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373000027 280461 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373000334 215525 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373000408 736344 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373000709 700569 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373000789 401622 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373001299 613268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh chanserv is back < 1373001584 16311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warrgle is a combination of war or warrior and eagle. It may also involve warble, a sound a bird makes. < 1373001584 224143 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373001590 891210 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_, are you a pokemon? < 1373001810 790670 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean i'm banned < 1373001834 969744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want it to mean that < 1373001841 193840 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i want to be a pokemon someday < 1373001850 947000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of pokemon? < 1373001851 226019 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a trick question < 1373001856 791635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373001857 653961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to play pokemon card. < 1373001885 926393 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My question would have been better if tswett_ used his other nick here < 1373001891 457177 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one of his other nicks < 1373001919 135134 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tswett_ has as many nicks and names as Gregor has hats < 1373002527 697254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he even has a nick that is a wiki admin, although i wouldn't be surprised if he is unable to log in to it < 1373002608 204567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last used 25 february 2009 < 1373002790 524979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bounded gaps of primes project seems to have slowed seriously down :( < 1373002834 763033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is all about the wiki admins now < 1373002852 589329 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i linked before? yeah, well, they made like ten billion percent improvement first so w/e < 1373002857 675395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm all about power totally corrupting, yes < 1373002901 13592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but up until a week ago they had something every day < 1373002902 176614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting to hear back from Bike in re: whether he wants to be banned < 1373002917 764791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are tough decisions, elliott < 1373002937 515876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I could kick you if you want a taste of what it's like < 1373002941 902462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373002949 136324 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I need some advice. < 1373002978 272532 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, with what? < 1373002990 318589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are you sure I'm the best person to ask for advice? < 1373003046 719967 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Do I want to be banned? < 1373003082 505880 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were a norn, I could attempt to peek in your brain to find out. Are you a norn? < 1373003101 575740 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo... < 1373003114 435400 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not srry < 1373003895 750553 :Guest21838!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Guest21838 < 1373004541 907086 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373004573 463268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Yonkie < 1373004576 844687 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :YoNkIe: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1373004825 537331 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373005388 196673 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/352408433506533377 < 1373005423 328904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@ukhomeoffice fyi you seem to have been hacked by the edl" < 1373005462 753944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1373005714 611966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: jesus < 1373005728 697455 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeesh < 1373005746 920828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@ukhomeoffice you must have a harder example than finding them in the back of an Immigration Enforcement van?" < 1373005763 345888 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373005788 887746 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a whole bunch of tweets like that, the brits in my feed were yelling at them this morning :/ < 1373005797 574946 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean like last night? fuck time zones < 1373005863 117026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask elliott, he knows british time zones < 1373005867 735757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by knows, I mean < 1373005870 958241 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sleeps through them < 1373005891 217287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1373005905 868664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :< < 1373005907 33105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sleep through a time zone do you come out on the other side < 1373005918 325922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, yes. < 1373005934 911742 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373005941 699180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why you're awake at seven am and have been for like twelve hours < 1373005971 265135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, I've been awake at 7 am for like twelve hours. < 1373005974 581689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is stuck. send help < 1373005983 874152 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I just wrote a short blog post on how fmap for functions is (.) on my mainly fandom blog < 1373006007 540028 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at seven am < 1373006008 779651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have a homestuck character explain it < 1373006012 70415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the past 12 hours < 1373006015 467301 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no < 1373006022 832480 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a sign advertising ice cream explain it < 1373006026 455706 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's your problem < 1373006039 160442 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just joined 15 channels across 2 servers to say that and nothing else < 1373006039 842263 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1373006043 83415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't going to accept caleskellisms if they're not explained by a guy with horns! < 1373006046 71139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1373006054 501121 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373006103 268725 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so speaking of shit, are hypergeometric functions cool? signs point to hell yes < 1373006745 517526 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PART :#esoteric < 1373008883 566781 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott, oerjan < 1373008897 170910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow doesn't Bike get hi < 1373008909 400848 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora, Taneb < 1373008930 137599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi the chaf < 1373008947 535238 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's a shame you couldn't come < 1373008977 386848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373008989 18826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, simon tatham's "single" puzzle becomes easier with larger board, because there are too many clues... < 1373009051 207761 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373009085 421750 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373009507 511472 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373009693 233370 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Favourite low-ish quality video format for storing movies on SD cards? < 1373009760 586558 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gif < 1373009766 389623 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to say flac < 1373009772 407717 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lagarith < 1373009852 623913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vt100 < 1373009870 834608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE WE BEEN USELESS ENOUGH YET???? < 1373009876 172730 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373009909 682449 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373009942 964445 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: today was drugz day in san francisco < 1373009945 932135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugz everywhere < 1373009953 730740 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats drugz day < 1373009954 928019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm drugz too < 1373009955 787008 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smelled like freedom < 1373010181 927396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: drugz day is everyday < 1373010272 947485 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1373010312 66384 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hey, you're in california < 1373010315 23644 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come you didn't come < 1373010429 363573 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::] < 1373010556 173505 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373010581 540754 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1373010759 465319 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :california is pretty small < 1373010903 850981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373012034 239101 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373012471 292320 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373012912 37629 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373012912 446938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373013638 659335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1373013639 192992 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1373013711 695538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the cycle limit these days? < 1373013810 956578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same hundred thousand, I believe. < 1373013821 823753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1373013826 26857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is up to evil < 1373013858 390759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-130.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373013980 10353 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373015346 253744 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373015760 363063 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373015856 270085 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373015899 698539 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373016112 555671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: #drugz < 1373016134 679344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#especiallydrugz < 1373017240 700467 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373018075 588436 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373020609 266541 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373020820 730847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1373020825 488887 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help where's the bot < 1373020891 115190 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373021087 319857 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not you, oonbotti < 1373021087 565168 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he said i should do < 1373021088 455669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf meant the other bot, fizzie. < 1373021115 841346 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well tell him you don't do < 1373021116 224932 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah right. i remember it doing some weird context-based stuff with < 1373021123 561073 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: with what < 1373021124 6809 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what i mean? riastradh ( i know, but when i go there; i should go < 1373021164 292568 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes. you should go < 1373021164 619096 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in that case fnord mode are you using? the operational or denotational one? i can't < 1373021175 667687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot can't < 1373021183 694403 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1373021195 893329 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess fungot really can't < 1373021211 874375 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1373021216 931600 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1373021230 701593 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, more like nofungot < 1373021238 656402 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("bcuz ur no fun") < 1373021382 11372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you decide yet < 1373021433 351657 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373023889 996657 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373024529 865198 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373024961 282623 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373025848 15687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that's funny; a (Linux) box where 'cc' is not GCC. (It's the PGI compiler instead.) < 1373026076 113003 :ottianna!~canaima@190.204.88.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373026086 39600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ottianna < 1373026092 997743 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04o10t06tiann12a: Welcome03 to the int04er04nat06io05n02al14 03hub 14for e08soteric prog07ramming la05ngu10ag07e desig02n and deployment! For more13 04information, 04check13 o04ut o02ur w12iki: http:/12/esolan12gs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the 06ot13her kind of esoterica, try #e11sote04ri14c on irc07.dal.net.) < 1373026112 226665 :ottianna!~canaima@190.204.88.88 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jja < 1373026151 818449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jja. < 1373026208 621803 :ottianna!~canaima@190.204.88.88 PART :#esoteric < 1373026578 342002 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373027019 206736 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373027089 590357 :maddock!~Maddock@99-73-139-91.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373027103 201955 :maddock!~Maddock@99-73-139-91.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1373028202 802731 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373028203 8142 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373028203 214049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373028203 419497 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373028203 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:Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373029283 338301 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373029727 224731 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Quit: Viivan loppu. < 1373029737 221013 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373029913 184918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :Guest4641 < 1373029913 390048 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so NICK :Guest22624 < 1373030045 846174 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030046 50969 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030046 51114 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030046 51192 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030046 485040 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030046 690204 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030057 330061 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 744345 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 949186 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 949332 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 949412 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 949490 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 949568 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030096 949652 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030133 874486 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@c-75-70-167-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1373030173 22625 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1373030213 696870 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1373030282 425282 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030298 218893 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030298 423689 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030298 628782 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030298 833588 :Jafet!~Jafet@60-242-81-155.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030299 243119 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030299 453841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030299 704635 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030300 176606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030301 631793 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030301 836878 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030302 41719 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030302 41967 :Guest83873!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030302 246468 :mastring!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030302 919473 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030303 329844 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030303 535346 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373030317 197043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030317 401988 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030328 3138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030328 208041 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030328 208172 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030328 208250 :Guest83873!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030356 516891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0 < 1373030360 213716 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://heh.fi/tmp/gg-freenode.png < 1373030370 51377 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030370 256005 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030370 256148 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030424 636880 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030424 841440 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030435 525442 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030501 580624 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1373030507 469698 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Fiora < 1373030814 872951 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030815 78290 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373030815 78433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1373031819 963623 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373031958 453731 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373031960 694127 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1373032252 194202 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373032260 683754 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1373032446 219742 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373034146 25560 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373034328 749918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest22624: are you kmc < 1373034333 74191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are gregor < 1373034336 285090 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373034510 537 :Lumpio__!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373034636 72304 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373034639 378683 :Lumpio_!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373035123 778765 :sacje!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373035182 471899 :sacje!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :Guest45049 < 1373035918 165448 :Guest4641!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :quintopia < 1373036465 988348 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373036524 368944 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373036560 823249 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373037096 515205 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Guest22624 < 1373037098 579198 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest22624: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1373037944 219248 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Girls to Talk to You http://youtu.be/if8hveMIQPM < 1373038164 282666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373038210 282600 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373038276 323693 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373038859 800429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Have you tried this advice? < 1373038873 586062 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surely will. This advice is golden. < 1373038930 311748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds a bit work-intensive. < 1373039294 303070 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373039348 294692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome scorpo < 1373039351 189405 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​03scorpo: W05elcome to th05e inte02rnati04o11n05al hub for e02soteric programm03ing lan02guage design04 and deplo08yme11nt! For mo14r10e information, check11 out13 our wik07i: http://06es04ol12angs.org/06wiki/Main_Page. (Fo05r th11e 07oth06er kind of esoterica, try #es04oteri10c o07n irc.dal14.11net.)08 < 1373039379 916344 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ello < 1373039387 978042 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1373039399 799048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373039425 535710 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373039753 56115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any programming language where a variable can have multiple types where the same data is valid as all types simultaneously? (This isn't a struct, where you have different fields, or a union, where only one type is usually valid at once) < 1373040348 666041 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could kind of fake it with Haskell < 1373040413 472683 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hmmm I was half-listening to the whole thing and then suddenly "you reach in your pants and hum you pull your hum chewing-gum out and you hum put it in her mouth" < 1373040415 302956 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1373040443 92121 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a sum type might be kind of close, or if you had subtyping that might be kind of close < 1373040454 329537 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :More awesomeness from the same dude. http://youtu.be/iG_QDyHxrnQ http://youtu.be/Dkls0ciI8l0?t=1m < 1373040569 240423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, any language with universal quantification < 1373040587 465053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can view (forall a. ...) as the intersection of ... over all a (due to parametricity) < 1373040598 294950 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion he's bringing another human being into this I'm scared < 1373040603 626673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I suppose that does it, but I actually meant something else that I wasn't clear. < 1373040613 436396 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean 'intersection types' < 1373040615 612061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (forall a. a -> a) is the intersection of (() -> ()) and (Integer -> Integer) and (Maybe String -> Maybe String) and ..., which is just {id} < 1373040617 225096 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ick I can't seem to get to my bank's website < 1373040630 18087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps what I really meant is for the data to be valid for multiple enumerations simultaneously, rather than meaning multiple types. < 1373040658 770695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I suppose it is only one type; I mean enumerations) < 1373040667 972796 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... chase.com why u have mixed content? < 1373040728 858173 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better to ask customer support than #esoteric < 1373040733 446253 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean by multiple enumerations? < 1373040757 63355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft mnoqy hasn't ever had a bank what oes he know < 1373040760 657622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1373040772 370876 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a bank!!!! i just dont use it < 1373040783 627458 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 NICK :scorpo_food < 1373040798 266598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373040881 254790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scorpo: For example in C you might have: typedef enum { AAA, BBB, CCC } ABC; typedef enum { XXX, YYY } XY; and then having some variables that are for one enumeration only, but some where the same data means both enumerations at once (so CCC won't do). < 1373041313 246974 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is Guest13514 Gregor? < 1373041318 969155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest13514, note other channel < 1373041347 923774 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest13514 is variable < 1373041467 746942 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Guest13514 > 1373041467 769717 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373041470 422913 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Guest45049 > 1373041470 442056 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373041473 505320 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Guest83873 > 1373041473 528531 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373041480 313303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're coming < 1373041541 672735 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Guest22624 < 1373041712 660864 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“and she is pretty hot, might I add” “and she was my cousin” “I’m just getting luckier and luckier with girls every day.” < 1373041845 115561 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chooses Gregor's hat. < 1373042022 38954 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: in that second video is that really the same guy? in the other videos he looked more oriental somehow < 1373042107 405847 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first video is two years later than the cousin one. < 1373042643 614960 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1373043530 734125 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I just ordered an incredibly expensive laptop < 1373043553 372984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it any good? < 1373043555 638128 :Guest83873!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :kmc < 1373043621 687451 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1373043641 520123 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently trackpad isn't great, and it's a bit heavy, but other than that it's regarded well I think < 1373043688 722230 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373043699 114884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and no touchscreen even though Windows 8 < 1373043786 280009 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373043792 25433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once set up someone's new laptop computer, having Windows 8, I don't think it had a touchscreen either. But, it isn't needed; you can use a mouse, and the keyboard; most of the keyboard commands are the same as the older versions of Windows, and cmd.exe still works too, so it shouldn't be too much trouble to use, due to that. < 1373043812 492022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact that was the only reason I was able to figure it out) < 1373043882 788367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: which one? < 1373043889 867327 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 < 1373043891 315397 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@75-163-31-93.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373043925 805733 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also paid for some warranty stuff on it >.> < 1373043931 454874 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a backpack < 1373044228 300348 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1373044325 386779 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this channel about? < 1373044334 868022 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373044340 163131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome matthiaskrgr < 1373044342 136309 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :matthiaskrgr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1373044387 715228 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so coding < 1373044395 216167 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`commands < 1373044396 792435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: commands: not found < 1373044399 475890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very on-topic channel < 1373044402 779698 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373044418 317530 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1373044418 522379 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1373044419 491067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3 inhabitants of (∀a. a -> a) in Haskell right? < 1373044437 759795 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id, bottom, const bottom? < 1373044438 705831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊥, const ⊥, and id < 1373044441 956173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1373044474 682209 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the HackEgo bot run shell commands? < 1373044480 198111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373044484 907901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1373044485 203748 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and unsafeCoerce "hello" < 1373044486 330158 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1373044493 612301 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if exit works :P < 1373044506 321966 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1373044507 716393 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1373044511 114146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually boots up a new virtualized Linux system for each command < 1373044518 467913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then merges the filesystem changes using mercurial < 1373044519 543958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1373044521 510108 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1373044529 419454 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so exit is save? :> < 1373044537 952407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a no-op < 1373044569 572158 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`4help < 1373044570 506262 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 4help: not found < 1373044578 656124 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1373044586 279595 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`6welcome matthiaskrgr < 1373044587 273166 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 6welcome: not found < 1373044592 397748 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1373044613 352584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome matthiaskrgr < 1373044615 638690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​05matth07iaskrgr: Welcome to the int02ernational hub13 for esote02ric programm07ing la10nguage design and dep13loyment!02 For mor03e information, check13 out our wiki: http:08//e11so10l04angs.10org/wiki14/Main_Page08.05 (03Fo13r10 the ot13her kind of esot11erica08, t10ry #02eso02teric 12o07n11 irc.dal.net.) < 1373044628 439759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/relcome < 1373044630 585340 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/relcome < 1373044637 884309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/rainbow < 1373044639 633253 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/rainbow < 1373044640 541875 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1373044694 268611 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is unsafeCoerce :: a -> a guaranteed to be id? < 1373044707 146927 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 1 > file ; cat file < 1373044708 469592 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 > file ; cat file < 1373044737 571070 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 > file ; cat file < 1373044738 731272 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 1: not found < 1373044745 454608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: GHC does make such a guarantee, yes < 1373044759 133299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also guarantees that you can coerce between a newtype and the underlying type < 1373044768 461425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from any type to Any and back < 1373044782 840994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe other things < 1373044839 727252 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> unsafeCoerce (unsafeCoerce (succ :: Integer -> Integer) :: String -> String) (unsafeCoerce (42 :: Integer) :: String) :: Integer < 1373044841 201884 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :43 < 1373044917 845413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have overspent < 1373044929 389936 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 1.5k < 1373044946 26845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a job < 1373044947 928544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a laptop < 1373044967 638533 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it doesn't need to be such an expensive laptop unless I want it for home too < 1373045035 312155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1373045041 97375 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, maybe I could have hoped that the reason the computers currently at my cubicle are so slow is just lack of memory, and bought some memory for them < 1373045385 17575 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My order was voided < 1373045386 229937 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1373045437 874442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matthiaskrgr: use `run if you want shell < 1373045474 842459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 1 > file ; cat file < 1373045478 640139 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1373045496 635734 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm file < 1373045500 30132 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373045595 291090 :scorpo_food!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373045695 309893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373046697 24219 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May have typoed my street name < 1373048026 7302 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1373048462 300510 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373048721 795887 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-161.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373048833 278060 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373048940 561698 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373049430 287608 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-98.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373049514 741565 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373049772 781269 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still not used to Feedly < 1373049961 460905 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I'm using bazqux < 1373050005 29254 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite nice < 1373050013 110664 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also not free which is a bad thing < 1373050092 148581 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pretty much convinced me to start paying for web software (even though I am still on the free trial) < 1373050096 937063 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer it to Google Reader < 1373050228 991426 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SMBC feed doesn't work sensibly for me in Feedly < 1373050525 88807 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also screwed up the TDWTF feed < 1373050531 233647 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CodeSOD ones < 1373050548 211390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other countries is the British ringback tone used in? Is it used in Germany? < 1373050788 659993 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373051224 490942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graham Nelson's Z-machine standards document has many errors in it. Infocom's document also has many errors in it. Therefore, I have to use both. < 1373051231 574749 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem so, based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringback_tone#Ringback_tone_characteristics < 1373051386 950688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, then I wonder what happened. I called someone cellular phone, I believe they are in Germany, but I got the British tone. Is this due to non-direct flights? < 1373051478 454835 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, Sgeo_ < 1373051482 374796 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading SMBC again < 1373051670 843991 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be sure not to forget about voteys < 1373051682 571257 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this is the first time you're learning of voteys, have fun < 1373051752 815591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know about voteys < 1373052216 785148 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373053005 738026 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373053364 709499 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD85D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1373053446 717020 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall entomb him in guilded halls < 1373053476 234391 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww, the dead weaver was a mother of a small baby < 1373053963 753152 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373054042 299358 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373054145 995772 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373055351 314043 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373055351 519085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373055612 119904 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Great Gatsby VFX http://vimeo.com/68451324 < 1373056126 676158 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373056379 428027 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1373056545 271619 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373057193 347999 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373057211 284658 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373057557 512715 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1373057627 261859 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373057757 330410 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-132-249.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373058758 166002 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059348 138727 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059352 267986 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059352 783038 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059400 83075 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059404 206358 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059404 722735 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059459 143353 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373059460 327990 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059463 258739 JOIN :#esoteric > 1373059463 774914 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373059706 167713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373059871 806840 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD85D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212] < 1373060113 106048 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373060139 953934 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1373060310 704200 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1373060329 753151 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373060403 601644 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373060430 363497 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1373060524 746672 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373060554 943196 :Zerker!~zerker@107-213-57-239.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373060711 656547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1373060711 806270 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1373060725 746882 :Zerker!~zerker@107-213-57-239.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373060762 627769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1373060762 777663 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1373060774 501870 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You don't have any messages < 1373060774 651747 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373060805 281498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1373060815 152787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1373060819 316587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjan < 1373060825 947216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373060852 394715 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1373060876 85876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott i think i'd like a command that works like /msg lambdabot @messages, except that it says _nothing_ in private or elsewhere if there are no messages. < 1373060876 235718 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373060919 685172 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373060937 346841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott that way i think i can get them automatically in a window when i join, but without showing activity if there are none < 1373060937 534008 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373060954 472567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list messages < 1373060954 624954 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell provides: tell ask messages messages-loud messages? clear-messages < 1373060955 485669 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb JOIN :#esoteric < 1373060994 937371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The current behavior is that if you have any messages, lambdabot will /msg you about it as soon as you say anything at all. < 1373061003 916094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1373061005 494573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just saying anything has this behavior. < 1373061016 561810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hm... < 1373061034 274924 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:f826:2a26:aab3:f8eb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373061037 476493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. except for the part where i have to say @messages in the query window too. < 1373061046 522911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, I suppose. < 1373061051 436644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's only if you have messages. < 1373061071 352364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, let me adjust my settings... < 1373061149 557978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Testing < 1373061160 124687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373061224 546128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck, why the hell does irssi show activity on just "Starting query in freenode with lambdabot"... < 1373061243 713814 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can change irssi's act settings < 1373061274 851641 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this is some kind of troll or a person who really feels like that, or how to deal with it http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1hpp4c/it_seems_inevitable_that_i_will_kill/ < 1373061344 321561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i'm sure you can, but irssi's help menus suck my lifeforce out of me when trying to figure things out < 1373061390 314942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use a different documentation of irssi or a different program? < 1373061397 978967 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have done it < 1373061449 329970 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You probably want /set activity_hide_level something < 1373061494 153399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. imagine if irssi actually had builtin _help_ on the set options. < 1373061560 507357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1373061560 657509 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc asked 1d 12h 55m 56s ago: Are there TeX macros for typesetting Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1373061601 885877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, but I would make up a way to type spoilers of cards using it, if we could have the necessary font. < 1373061708 188634 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :Guest13514 > 1373061708 211416 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373061709 208969 :Guest13514!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1373061778 365066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the _online_ documentation for activity_hide_level doesn't link to what the levels _are_... < 1373061796 444921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they are integers < 1373061803 293974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means i'm already two levels of yak shaving beyond my comfort zone. < 1373061839 176207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about one level from full rage. < 1373061868 387935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not easy to please. < 1373062077 59551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i did the mistake of blathering before opening the logs again. they changed IE so that when i search for my nick, you can _only_ go one step forwards or backwards in the list of searches, so it is horrible to get to anywhere not near the beginning or end. < 1373062160 752151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course no one actually mentioned my nick in the period i'm trying to search XD < 1373062224 703576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, when using IE 8 i had so many tiny convenience habits dependent on _precisely_ how it worked, and they've managed to remove a _dozen_ of them... < 1373062268 36008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i actually used the address bar dropdown menu as a queue of which of my usual sites i'd remembered to visit recently :P < 1373062320 870708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which depended on the exact rules for _what_ IE puts there and not, the fact that it's a long list and that it's organized in a queue fashion by last visit. < 1373062497 234878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then current IE has shortened the list to just 5 elements (you can see a 6th if you explicitly delete one of the visible ones), and no way to prevent an address you write from being added (admittedly the last part was really hacky even with IE 8) < 1373062544 739493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can those settings be changed? < 1373062549 229136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't get me started on how the address line autocomplete works < 1373062556 259672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea. < 1373062586 707574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look in the registry setting? < 1373062590 704074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have no particular reason to believe any _other_ browser would care about doing things the ways it works. < 1373062642 363131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be essentially the equivalent of reading irssi's /set listing, except _worse_, no? so see above about yak shaving and rage. < 1373062683 988065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then modify some other one to do how you want. Often they have these things that some people like but is hardly ever had. For example, one feature I happen to like is a relative location bar, and I have not seen that anywhere. < 1373062688 169694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if i can even _find_ the registry. not that i've tried.) < 1373062792 840840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the problem is not really technical, but mental. < 1373062796 506277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I don't know if anyone else would prefer a relative location bar, anyways. Do you know? < 1373062812 256110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, yes, it always is mental, too. < 1373062819 647277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This causes a lot of problems. < 1373063144 213029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh another problem which english speakers may not appreciate: when your OS is heavily nationalized, it's sometimes impossible to figure out the right english words for when you _do_ try to google problem-solving fora. < 1373063236 87521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i know no:"fane" = en:"tab" because i've seen tabs discussed often enough on the internet, but this doesn't work for terms i've only seen in the nationalized programs/help on my own computer... < 1373063282 452530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things you can guess, like kontrolpanel -> control panel, but others are harder. < 1373063330 372886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course microsoft _do_ have nationalized online help pages, but they naturally don't go into the depth needed. < 1373063401 69952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that fane as in the kind of flag? < 1373063415 725113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah probably < 1373063439 519464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a weird term to choose, but i'm not sure there's a better one. < 1373063464 89852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just transliterating the word "tab" would probably be better < 1373063466 632083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "tab" mean anything? < 1373063500 186693 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those divider things you have in binders are called tabs < 1373063515 508153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose. what are those in norwegian i wonder. < 1373063527 720152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:flik < 1373063531 56942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :skilleark is the term that pops up < 1373063543 33682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in my mind) < 1373063593 12319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab: A small flap or strip of material attached to something, for holding, manipulation, identification, etc. < 1373063704 358319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah wiktionary lists only swedish, not norwegian :/ < 1373063792 785949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's tab disambiguation page doesn't seem to _list_ the binder meaning. although heaps of others. < 1373064180 506375 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxsiyjrpxkxgnpsu QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1373064180 656561 :iamcal___!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lchuzhrddmgdoxlq QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373064180 806428 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktspsykcqdwgkikn QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373064180 806568 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlhusuwdktydxiat QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373064206 778355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"välilehti", lit. something like "between-leaf", from the binder meaning, is the official Finnish term for tab. < 1373064475 17000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Gracenotes, shachaf it was fun hanging out with you yesterday < 1373064490 472629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is they chose "fane" because norwegian doesn't actually _have_ a word for the archive meaning. < 1373064576 987348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hanging out? With #eoteric people? Is that even legal! < 1373064594 544190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's not legal, but so weren't the drugs < 1373064641 440291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, i started looking at some sites selling the actual physical ones... < 1373064642 801756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Gracenotes is in #esoteric? I've never noticed that.. < 1373064666 893226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am being forced to conclude "fane" _is_ the technical term for them. < 1373064804 434138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they've been renamed to that, after they chose it for the UI-y meaning. < 1373064949 526183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disturbingly plausible. < 1373065161 119074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new game: writing C++ functions such that the mangled names spell amusing things < 1373065188 934216 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example plz < 1373065308 215477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder, way back in time, whether there were computers that tried hard to _keep_ a tcp connection open even if your network connection drops dead for half a second. seems like something you'd want to build into the protocol, really. < 1373065438 349705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inb4 linux does hth) < 1373065464 114536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer didn't have any trouble keeping TCP connections (to IRC servers) open over a dozen-or-so-seconds PPP hangup+redial+negotiation cycle, way back when I had to do that once every 30 minutes for pricing-related reasons. < 1373065496 709841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1373065621 895554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The phone company used to have a flat per-call fee for calls on weekends, and 17-05 on weekdays; then when the Internet started happening, they changed it so that the per-call fee covered only the first 30 minutes, and after that there was a per-minute fee, that was significantly higher than 1/30th of the per-call fee.) < 1373065690 980521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was one of the most annoying things with mac when I had one, every tcp connection is force-closed immediately when your network cable pops out < 1373065718 366402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and the ethernet port was recessed so that the clip to hold the cable didn't work < 1373065777 15064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what usually keeps TCP connections open in situations like that is just TCP itself doing its thing < 1373065871 696300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did have to do the hangup in some other way than "kill and restart pppd", because I have a feeling bringing the interface down would in fact have killed connections. < 1373065923 601901 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable < 1373066454 665022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me wonder if NetworkManager is silly enough to spork off everything if the cable pops off. ("Normally" that wouldn't affect the configuration at all, but I know it keeps sniffing at link status.) < 1373066597 244610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, there could be an issue if you're on a trusted network, get reconnected to an untrusted one and restart sending data right away < 1373067260 999289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the outside ip of my machine doesn't change with disconnection, at least. < 1373067814 987873 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, linear logic apparently lets you handle arrays efficiently in a functional language. < 1373067857 739591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? What is the way it does? < 1373067861 841492 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a function of type Array that lets you create an array, and functions that let you copy and delete arrays. < 1373067887 948570 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then for setting, you can have a function of type (Array * index * value) -o Array, and for getting, you can have a function of type (Array * index) -o (Array, value). < 1373067916 685874 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could do exactly the same thing in Haskell. < 1373067938 980415 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with this, the compiler knows that Arrays won't be copied or deleted except by using the "copy" and "delete" functions. < 1373068023 156724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the comma going to do? It doesn't seem to be one of the operators of linear logic. < 1373068039 674081 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, that was supposed to be an asterisk. < 1373068048 733992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1373068068 917975 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denoting multiplicative conjunction ("you have both things"). < 1373068092 704206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There isn't an asterisk in linear logic either, but I see, you mean the "times" symbol (multiplication conjunction, like you waid).) < 1373068321 370303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If this is the first time you're learning of voteys, have fun <-- argh what are voteys < 1373068326 345510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep, was fun! < 1373068385 777558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the big red button things < 1373068397 517283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. whew, i knew that. < 1373068409 315359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are they called voteys < 1373068420 121824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentometer ? < 1373068433 570591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they used to only be shown to people who voted for the comic < 1373068438 424608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373068441 751639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1373068700 350354 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tat < 1373068783 432212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, T.S.W. Ett < 1373068809 112180 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome, S. H. A. C. H. Af. < 1373069176 453763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Do you understand the Eilbenberg-Moore category thing? < 1373069222 441721 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think I've seen those names in mah life < 1373069293 191618 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: read the Charity paper < 1373069295 993964 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting and stuff < 1373069296 143793 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, shachaf, Gracenotes: what did you guys end up doing < 1373069300 378532 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are commutative diagrams < 1373069320 308666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: first we got hi by greeting each other for a while < 1373069325 237298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hugz all around < 1373069356 760163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc joke < 1373069522 703280 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the symmetry linear logic would give the getChar and putChar functions: getChar :: RealWorld -o (RealWorld * Char), putChar :: (RealWorld * Char) -o RealWorld < 1373069553 822919 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear realworld is satanic < 1373069563 861529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear Bike is satanic < 1373069564 681855 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :though those types are isomorphic to what Haskell has < 1373069565 87590 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In actual Haskell, yeah, I think so. < 1373069577 411415 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo optimization < 1373069589 802102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a sign on a church which i thought said satan worship < 1373069593 840496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it actually said sunday worship < 1373069598 269281 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, doesn't GHC have IO a = RealWorld -> (RealWorld, a) internally? < 1373069604 260799 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that? < 1373069615 454408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something like that", sure. < 1373069617 266471 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealWorld is unboxed and so is the tuple < 1373069628 406227 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do people here use bessel functions. they seem cool. i like them < 1373069637 850531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also it's not RealWorld, it's State# RealWorld. < 1373069646 140603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has nothing to do with the normal world-passing explanation of IO. < 1373069651 67404 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a low-level IO operation says "I will only give you back a real world when I'm done doing my thing, damnit" < 1373069652 358500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just implementation trickery. < 1373069671 585509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :State# RealWorld fits in a zero-sized register. < 1373069675 605822 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me show you my bessels < 1373069686 944774 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, putChar will only give you back a () when it gets an Int, namely the one that's returned from a write syscall < 1373069698 846189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hm where was the place i heard about Bessel functions < 1373069725 347631 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like "data IO a = IO (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #))" or something? < 1373069749 605835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ghci knows the exact definition (:i) < 1373069752 432817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1373069753 464390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src IO < 1373069753 614609 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Are you on drugs? < 1373069756 622561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373069774 166377 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will halp < 1373069774 316654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway most things people say about this definition are false. < 1373069776 612412 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like yeah, it's exactly what I just said. < 1373069836 27555 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so does this mean that >>= for IO doesn't actually look like >>= for State, as one would think? < 1373069843 224845 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :unIO :: IO a -> (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #)) < 1373069843 754132 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :unIO (IO a) = a < 1373069846 270680 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that < 1373069854 907276 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: bindIO (IO m) k = IO $ \ s -> case m s of (# new_s, a #) -> unIO (k a) new_s < 1373069881 740185 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks just like >>= for State, doesn't it? < 1373069896 15476 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GHC.Types, newtype IO a = IO (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #)) < 1373069918 753199 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, err, essentially what you said < 1373069919 911230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only point of it is to tell the compiler about certain data dependencies etc. that it's not allowed to do certain involving. < 1373069950 310359 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw: I don't know where the place you heard about bessels was?? < 1373069972 895106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw: ok?? < 1373069978 85688 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373070204 796613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll_count=0; < 1373070227 292065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll_count+=4; < 1373070235 780061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. You have to put zero < 1373070259 909342 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll_count == scroll_count = scroll_count; < 1373070266 885067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll_count*=1e518; < 1373070276 717155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't tell me what i have to do! < 1373070283 597356 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that associates as (scroll_count == scroll_count) = scroll_count, which is invalid. < 1373070308 852115 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume it associates the other way, it is true < 1373070320 3003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if scroll_count is NaN. < 1373070342 871266 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you love values that aren't == to themselves... < 1373070371 112503 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of disappointed that NaN isn't == to itself even in Haskell. < 1373070406 873336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined ain't == to itself neither. < 1373070417 407205 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but at least you don't get False. < 1373070445 231640 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll_count is an integer, duh < 1373070467 58817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll_count="norway"; < 1373070480 725451 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"norway" can be cast to an integer, can't it? < 1373070486 791239 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of your statements are in the shachaf namespace < 1373070499 298984 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in C, you can write char c = 'norway'; < 1373070552 571664 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or int c, if you like widening conversions < 1373070647 692943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint48_t c = 'norway'; < 1373070756 183413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you assume it associates the other way, it is true <-- i think it's undefined behavior hth < 1373070832 26543 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bit, maybe not as much in say C++0x (I don't recall if their new sequencing rules help here), but it's usually never unsafe to optimize 'x = x' to 'x' < 1373070865 952875 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there really a uint48_t... < 1373070878 8299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I think there could be < 1373070891 751624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multichar literals could have that type < 1373070897 992064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1373070899 34107 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day, I was trying to write some C in front of some other guy, and neither of us could remember whether it was uint16 or uint_16. < 1373070905 78588 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is, of course, neither.) < 1373070913 493588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: It might be unsafe if it is volatile, though, isn't it? < 1373070961 880657 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be undefined if it's not volatile and there's simultaneous modification/reading. < 1373071008 751766 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a uint_t for all nonnegative integers . Who knows when you might need a 333-bit integer? < 1373071026 432505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is volatile, then it might be false. < 1373071034 952311 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373071040 832317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because there is a memory barrier automatically set up with read/write of a volatile. < 1373071044 787666 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a 0-bit integer? < 1373071049 947108 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :void? < 1373071052 174721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think LLVM has such a thing! < 1373071067 809042 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd be disappointed if it didn't. < 1373071068 114847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to (iirc) 8Mbit integers < 1373071163 979530 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. I can think of a use for 38762521924-bit integers. < 1373071171 828866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish C++ supported "void x;". < 1373071190 288705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GNU C you can create zero-length arrays. < 1373071194 446364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo() { void x; x = bar(); return x; } < 1373071214 74018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Black-C, which is my own specification, inherits some of the features of GNU C, including zero-length arrays.) < 1373071249 292246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://llvm.org/docs/LangRef.html#integer-type < 1373071269 475607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think zero-length arrays is a useful and reasonable and logical feature to have. < 1373071281 182516 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does that make void unit? < 1373071295 170642 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the significance of the number 196882, anyway? < 1373071299 152983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yep. < 1373071310 99229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would mostly be used for if you make a structure with an array of varying length at the end, although it can be used for some other purposes too. < 1373071334 598898 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it could be optimized away, though < 1373071397 610735 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the versions of a language I implemented with project partner for a compilers course had, initially, the unfortunate property that the grammar did not allow function calls as statements; only as expressions. < 1373071405 570970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C already supports void foo() { return bar(); } < 1373071412 800367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where "void bar();".) < 1373071417 44034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Black-C support that? < 1373071426 139632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that useful for? < 1373071426 988458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Black-C < 1373071430 75264 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only way you could call a void function was by declaring a void variable, which the grammar also forbade. < 1373071431 49933 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you cast something to void in GNU C? < 1373071434 616974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38-C? < 1373071438 420532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1373071453 38950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 9899-38 < 1373071465 441732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "(void) foo();" is valid ISO C, isn't it? < 1373071474 778838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :izzo 3899? < 1373071475 514492 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1373071491 200599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Black-C" is some document I wrote. It is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/black_c.txt < 1373071504 811879 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1373071530 471668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think some of these things is reasonable things? < 1373071629 675675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy Algerian Independence Day < 1373071640 356690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh i forgot. < 1373071684 50194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: over in ##fiora we were discussing kmc hugz < 1373071751 97108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them < 1373071759 84265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O no, I didn't mention "void foo() { return bar(); }" although I probably don't need to mention it, but maybe I should. < 1373071783 151816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you read it, then you can see what things it does have) < 1373071827 540796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 38762521924 < 1373071829 153133 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :38762521924: 2 2 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 41 41 < 1373071830 879227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow laser jesus < 1373071854 50334 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, it's a perfect square! I wonder what its square root is. < 1373071872 498320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whence this number < 1373071891 375218 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found its square root online, and then I found it by squaring its square root. < 1373071891 860259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196882 < 1373071892 969977 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196882: 2 7 7 7 7 41 < 1373071900 22779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about kmc hugz < 1373072081 194255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok but we still don't know its significance, right? < 1373072082 260067 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373072094 129872 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the exclusive "we", then that's correct. < 1373072128 704936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if we exclude enough people... < 1373072147 398783 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be some set of people such that no person in the set is aware of the significance of that number! < 1373072179 156204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the empty set, is one such set. There are probably others. < 1373072181 154527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might even be a way to prove that! < 1373072188 648729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn zzo38 ruining our joke < 1373072206 793553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops sorry < 1373072214 69192 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the least set < 1373072221 557018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1373072225 85616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me a good fixed point theorem < 1373072232 623000 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who are we to judge the relative worth of sets < 1373072240 327520 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess brouwer's is too obvious? < 1373072246 978508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we, the measurers < 1373072253 177777 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :banach's is where it's at come on < 1373072253 733675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the last google hit mentions the monster group < 1373072312 389346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the variation in hits is rather impressive. < 1373072318 787370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess most numbers do that. < 1373072320 195623 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partial to the baby monster group tho < 1373072359 162937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 196883 gave something monster-related as the first hit < 1373072379 101120 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196883 < 1373072380 507726 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196883: 47 59 71 < 1373072388 747422 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That number isn't much better. < 1373072424 669120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1373072427 669348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373072436 379134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Robert A. Wilson has found explicitly (with the aid of a computer) two 196882 by 196882 matrices (with elements in the field of order 2) which together generate the monster group; this is one dimension lower than the 196883-dimensional representation in characteristic 0." < 1373072481 91162 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196884 < 1373072482 536889 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196884: 2 2 3 3 3 1823 < 1373072488 285898 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196881 < 1373072489 652190 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196881: 3 29 31 73 < 1373072503 418963 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :196882 seems to be the best number so far. < 1373072548 356926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the large number of tiny prime factors for both 196882 and 196884 has some significance. < 1373072575 815251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess 1823 isn't very tiny. < 1373072630 636554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i am partial to the brouwer fixed-point theorem hth < 1373072664 916211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were total :'( < 1373072688 302097 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 488691 < 1373072689 694519 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :488691: 3 3 7 7757 < 1373072695 288596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just totalitarian, shachaf < 1373072704 822851 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 288691 < 1373072706 127157 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :288691: 13 53 419 < 1373072862 715078 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. 3^10 * 109 + 2 = 23^5. < 1373072873 826011 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure this is the most important theorem in the überverse. < 1373072905 362983 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The überverse is the collection of everything, including at least one thing that is not in the überverse.) < 1373072918 120606 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't fix what ain't broke < 1373072967 612846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: O, so it also includes God (which, in turns, also includes the uberverse)? (or something like that; I don't know for sure) < 1373072969 379776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higgledy Piggledy / Oërjan Johansen / Likes Brouwer's Theorem / "hoping that helps"; // Secretly, though, he's a / Totalitarian / Undersea wizard king / Munching on kelps < 1373073170 468897 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely contains God, yes. < 1373073252 582054 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 7153 < 1373073253 640124 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :7153: 23 311 < 1373073311 21482 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373073311 577675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++ < 1373073439 771720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think a mobius strip is one sided, or do you think a mobius strip is two sided but that both sides are the same side? < 1373073441 556025 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for a = 2^19, b = 7153, and c = 3^12, we have d = 2*3*7153, or... < 1373073446 132350 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$calc 2*3*7153 < 1373073446 957623 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*3*7153 = 42918 < 1373073447 771335 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c < 1373073456 84020 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think words don't actually mean things help. < 1373073481 547017 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, c > d^(1+epsilon) for positive epsilon. < 1373073531 13399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do we have a dvorakbot < 1373073543 667545 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 9:15 US EDT. < 1373073550 40672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d.nl < 1373073552 837967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :,day-o ircbi rb < 1373073561 510323 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's old enough to have a deprecated command < 1373073564 852613 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log c / log d < 1373073565 324139 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no result. < 1373073565 799382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekrpat < 1373073570 18421 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh. < 1373073574 649255 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373073586 3242 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log (3^12) / log 42918 < 1373073586 607247 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2358948 < 1373073618 35637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It doesn't? < 1373073628 121338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt' < 1373073638 779658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1373073643 829937 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373073646 255183 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So despite its musical importance, this ABC triple isn't good enough for this list: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~desmit/abc/index.php?set=2 < 1373073756 192380 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log 1024 / log 30 < 1373073756 950352 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.03795047 < 1373073850 714685 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait. If a = 24 and b = 1000 and c = 1024, then we have d = 30, don't we? That'd make this an extremely high-quality triple. < 1373073869 99879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good poem tdh < 1373073880 908767 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, they have to be coprime. < 1373073898 230360 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's really a = 3, b = 125, c = 128. < 1373073902 932385 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log 128 / log 30 < 1373073903 459903 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.42656533 < 1373073940 454234 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, the equality 3 + 125 = 128 was discovered by Benne de Weger in 1988. < 1373073959 108399 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very useful, we should thank them. < 1373073987 106015 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1373074029 978498 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of three applications of this equality, two of them useful in music. < 1373074065 946404 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first is that three major thirds are approximately an octave. The second is that 3 decibels are approximately a doubling. The third is that a kilo- is approximately a kibi-. < 1373075058 123180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrabble doesn't know "quine" :( < 1373075095 221858 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something to do for the next 17 minutes < 1373075100 311196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's a proper noun hth < 1373075102 835890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn < 1373075112 295469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like the kind of program. < 1373075121 277989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's named after the person hth < 1373075126 184907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a thing "sry" < 1373075151 453216 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there a lot of common nouns named after people? < 1373075180 450797 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1373075196 855204 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we call that kind of words sgeos < 1373075228 73089 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikes, for instance, were clearly named after Bike. < 1373075241 973926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes] < 1373075565 25161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoovers are named after Phantom_Hoover < 1373075625 480463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373076025 370447 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373078655 889668 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a nonlinear f such that f³ = id? < 1373078783 370277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.startrek.com/article/designing-the-romulan-dreadnought-warbirds https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=babylon%205%20shadows < 1373078820 718076 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: domain? < 1373078856 246947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really care, just curious what it looks like. something easy like C would be nice i guess. < 1373078877 483653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what does "linear" mean on an arbitrary set? < 1373078900 52007 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the domain is a linear space. < 1373078920 550803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is a linear space < 1373078947 728575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikelinear < 1373078961 516798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's shed is the wrong colowr. < 1373078971 194229 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore a linear space is a vehicle. < 1373078984 727410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 408 < 1373078986 226611 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 408: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373078988 381998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (409) < 1373078990 9282 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (409): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373078991 166030 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikecurious < 1373078991 315728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: using the axiom of choice, divide the real numbers into three sets of cardinality c, putting 1, 2, and 3 in different sets < 1373079020 133451 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let f_1 : S_1 -> S_2, f_2 : S_2 -> S_3, f_3 : S_3 -> S_1 be bijections < 1373079046 778336 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, wait < 1373079048 609669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no f_# < 1373079051 218570 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no f_3 < 1373079060 771737 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f_3 was my favorite :( < 1373079070 640766 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then take f_1 \cup f_2 \cup (f_2 \circ f_1)^{-1} < 1373079087 887530 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \cup < 1373079104 126949 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly nonlinear since 1 |-> 2, 2 |-> 3, 3 |-> 1 < 1373079126 707999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should be pretty easy to see that its cube is the identity < 1373079154 911152 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well. points for answering. < 1373079298 884143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(1) = 2, f(2) = 3, f(3) = 1, f(x) = x for anything else also works >:) < 1373079309 318167 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me amend my question < 1373079316 649906 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :answers that aren't boring + suck < 1373079319 983354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz < 1373079341 736026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a continuous one" would probably be what you want < 1373079348 496527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that exists < 1373079374 912271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it might not, on R, i don't quite recall < 1373079407 770620 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you actually need AC for coppro's answer. it doesn't seem ACy. < 1373079420 748686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no you don't. < 1373079429 772496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't *have* to use it < 1373079437 337481 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just throw it in there for the hell of it < 1373079440 365833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is coppro's axiom of choice, after all < 1373079447 803952 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, (-inf,1] (1,3) [3,inf) < 1373079456 971649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro chose to use it < 1373079504 822804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think i've seen a reddit post asking this question. though it might just have been similar. < 1373079515 965285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist: Bike is a reddit post < 1373079522 751219 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1373079549 678397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4g5a6s7p < 1373079560 242337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that rainbow was p. bad < 1373079569 211368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also inappropriate for the occasion < 1373079571 841428 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1373079577 484456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course a continuous one on R would have to be monotonous < 1373079580 194932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need AC < 1373079587 429150 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: prove to me that you can break R into three sets with size c without it < 1373079594 626880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just gave you an example. < 1373079619 458403 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1373079626 252078 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, a penis! < 1373079627 600137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1373079629 653116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't /think/ you need AC for that < 1373079633 670029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler i'm shit at zfc < 1373079651 327520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i heard HoTT was better < 1373079661 703677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm even shittier at hott, hth. < 1373079684 948615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need any more AC than you need to construct the reals in the first place, anyway. by which i mean you can actually write "reasonably" simple explicit bijections. < 1373079709 574393 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's so boring < 1373079787 298307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan do you know about T-algebras < 1373079795 959818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1373079845 272628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe that's the same as a T-module < 1373079849 119726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about T-modules < 1373079857 199126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: another boring, yet continuous option is to modify f(x)=-x by just stretching the parts before and after 0 in such a way that it's not linear but cancels out < 1373079864 160122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1373079881 761265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't work for ^3 < 1373079900 984386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it doesn't? you don't have to stretch the same amount on each side... < 1373079922 680787 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: f^3 is not even close to id because it inverts sign < 1373079925 719088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373079937 669454 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't just use a third root of unity instead of -1? < 1373079944 785210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm in that case f must actually be monotonic < 1373079974 682107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fine if you use complexes it's just to do a distorded rotation around 0 < 1373079983 936392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*distorted < 1373080008 88088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*monotonic _increasing_ < 1373080034 679657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just say functor imo < 1373080040 136691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cannot say i recall the word T-algebra, no < 1373080160 168893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, being increasing means that if f(x)>x, then f(f(f(x))) > x still, and vice versa for <. nope, continuous on R won't work. < 1373080207 337802 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, why does it have to be monotonic, i misssed that. < 1373080207 907471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* f(f(f(x))) > f(f(x)) > f(x) > x < 1373080234 220719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: every continuous bijection from R to R is strictly increasing or decreasing < 1373080249 627306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well then. < 1373080275 968843 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... what about identity < 1373080278 487567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :decreasing will give a decreasing third power, so won't work. < 1373080304 593144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except identity of course, which slips by because f(x) is neither > nor < x < 1373080367 814269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should become one of those loons who collect pdfs on their hard drive < 1373080370 21416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Bike < 1373080381 315619 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a good paper manager first < 1373080392 270373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFFGW8DLBrw < 1373080402 422043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo you give me one < 1373080403 949851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1373080410 632435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373080431 924781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also strictly increasing means that x < y => f(x) < f(y) in case you were confused by that f(x) > x thing which was something else following from it. < 1373080449 123685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i knew that much < 1373080454 72287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or contradicting it, rather < 1373080462 588692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of functor is that < 1373080471 446215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fuck orderings, complexes are where it's at imo. < 1373080485 49012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: from the partial order category of R to itself hth < 1373080495 348153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so what's non-strictly increasing < 1373080525 961077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're allowed to have f(x) = f(y) < 1373080545 233897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more like a functor to me < 1373080554 432611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what kind of functor does it have to be to be strictly increasing < 1373080564 98656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :faithful or something? < 1373080577 408456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :invertible, of course < 1373080581 26811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1373080594 624464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be onto < 1373080607 118069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373080619 593490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also continuity is also a stronger requirement. < 1373080623 253750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1373080641 583521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x such that f(x) < x is like an f-algebra < 1373080656 96762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that ≤ < 1373080662 349908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ≤ :'( < 1373080667 549978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :< is the devi < 1373080669 196001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1373080673 562184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a (thin) ordering category, then you need to have less or equal, as the morphisms, I think. < 1373080699 630063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: greater or equal would also work hth < 1373080706 516170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would also work < 1373080729 552813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have generally seen less or equal; of course then the opposite category becomes greater or equal < 1373080754 523061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a monad in a partial order called again < 1373080770 420877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a closure operator < 1373080808 425886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f such that x ≤ f(y) iff f(x) ≤ f(y) < 1373080936 710506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f x -> f y) -> (x -> f y) is just =<< :) < 1373080947 773238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373080957 76585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get the rest for free < 1373080975 692095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373081003 673001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x -> f y) -> (f * x -> f y) is just =<< :) < 1373081009 368362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373081017 702913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a-star have to do with it < 1373081048 243107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my network connection broke down as i was typing < 1373081058 479867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a-star but a secondhand search algorithm < 1373081071 967148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (x -> f y) -> (f x -> f y) is just =<< :) < 1373081097 370790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373081109 38925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry i ignored what you wrote and just assumed you wrote that < 1373081112 592964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what happened is that it got so slow irssi thought the  was being pasted instead of going to beginning of line < 1373081130 294885 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we've gotten pretty far from the original topic of things that aren't sucky < 1373081167 4874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with Bike computers suck < 1373081184 318476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a monad would be x less or equal to f(x) and f(f(x)) less or equal to f(x), for example, a bitwise OR by a constant, I suppose, would be it. Is that it? < 1373081204 619993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck computers. < 1373081209 808598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/slow/jammed up/ < 1373081246 949484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And also monotonically increasing. < 1373081250 930929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a monad is a functor. < 1373081301 393600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and a monad is a functor. I forgot that. I still think bitwise OR by a constant, works < 1373081340 512200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's pretty much the direct definition of closure operation < 1373081361 229912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1373081375 664329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in particular x ≤ f(x) and f(f(x)) ≤ f(x) means that f(f(x)) = f(x) < 1373081386 894490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since f(x) ≤ f(f(x)) < 1373081391 164601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes you do need x less or equal to y, then it must also mean f(x) less or equal f(y) which still bitwise OR has. < 1373081414 74818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it must, I did see that too < 1373081507 804289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A partial ordering is the same as a thin category. I suppose other mathematics things might also be considered as some kinds of categories, such as monoids as a category with one object, the paths of directed graphs as a category, etc < 1373081577 933953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, a preorder is the same as a thin (small) category. < 1373081610 163779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No antisymmetry required. < 1373081612 867331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a skeletal thin category, then < 1373081679 391259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is skeletal if no different objects are equal, I suppose. < 1373081685 883694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just realized that is a pun < 1373081717 915441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which is part of the definition of partial order < 1373081737 905657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. Now I know thank you < 1373081893 223489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1373081942 277283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i demand wisdom entries < 1373081944 88511 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9llVV0aS4 < 1373081995 668150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A partial order is just a thin skeletal category.' >wisdom/'partial order' < 1373081999 683652 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082029 199994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait doesn't it have to be small < 1373082039 527556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A preorder is just a thin category.' >wisdom/'preorder' < 1373082043 121189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082046 299788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about smallness. < 1373082062 471686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do < 1373082068 163934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly that would make the pun even better. < 1373082077 500055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category.' >wisdom/'partial order' < 1373082081 17216 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082083 166049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1373082086 886967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A preorder is just a small thin category.' >wisdom/'preorder' < 1373082090 391108 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082117 307728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thin category < 1373082118 849188 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :thin category? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1373082119 193101 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    | < 1373082119 395443 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  º¯`\o < 1373082379 866789 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://milesmathis.com/ln.html jesus christ < 1373082510 173577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let us look at the derivative of 1/x. The current calculus treats this function as equivalent to x⁻¹, < 1373082572 481002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Bike for linking trivial crackpots -----### < 1373082594 298197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1373082844 116992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is really broken. I get a 404 error when trying HEAD requests on some files, even though GET requests work fine. < 1373082878 660593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sue them < 1373082887 362017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way < 1373082889 592663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to find the exact size of a file without downloading it. < 1373082907 892174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's a different size each time? < 1373082929 344204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it shouldn't be a different size each time. < 1373082931 434318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm http://milesmathis.com/ has some p. great results < 1373082934 530810 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEAD still shouldn’t 404. < 1373082942 108198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p. great" < 1373082956 857819 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. r. < 1373083006 838646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, but for some reason it does on Google Code. Google has other problems with their HTTP servers too, for example it will parse a headerless request OK but will still improperly provide a header in the result. < 1373084398 766760 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zeozbscqlkcxphde JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085255 285608 :Guest45049!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Guest45049 < 1373085348 391512 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kaopipwgszwjxssi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085590 168508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VVVVVV level editor has scripting? < 1373085590 597893 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1373085627 739951 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085631 539781 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085717 623483 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't sound tc from this tutorial < 1373086266 367261 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373086548 741240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flag(x,on) - turns flag x on. There are flags 0-99. Flag 67 shouldn't be used because of a bug. < 1373086548 891631 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373086554 365788 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a peculiar bug < 1373086666 595454 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wonavjmwqjwqylxx JOIN :#esoteric < 1373087109 654575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373087365 923715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What might cause that? Overlapping buffers? < 1373087378 112109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffer overflow? < 1373087888 411109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some interest to Famicom mappers using existing chips and not too much; I have defined some, which are currently unnumbered so they have the names "Mapper A" and "Mapper C". "Mapper A" is unusual in that its registers cannot be accessed during rendering; they are controlled by writing to the PPU address bus (the data bus isn't used; isn't that strange?) < 1373087935 113729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sixteen registers, of eight bits each. Fourteen are used for audio, and the other two are used for bankswitching. (This means you cannot bankswitch during rendering.) < 1373088095 821500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other mapper is "Mapper C". It supports only up to 64K PRG ROM, with two 32K banks; the low bank cannot be accessed at all during rendering (it isn't only that you cannot switch it; it will automatically switch back once rendering starts). Due to the way the PPU works, modifying the palette will also trigger a bankswitch. < 1373088168 373065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mapper C also has 8K PRG RAM, but it doesn't act like the other mappers; it is mapped to $5xxx and $7xxx, with write-only mirrors at $1xxx and $3xxx. (Other mappers map the PRG RAM to $6xxx and $7xxx, with no mirroring.) < 1373088255 325732 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088275 86268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, there is CHR ROM bankswitching, although it bankswitches based on which nametables and/or tiles are selected, so it will switch during rendering; this allows up to 320 tiles (instead of the normally 256), although it becomes difficult to work with; it will automatically bankswitch after each scanline and you have to program the nametable to switch it back to what you need. < 1373088298 975057 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088303 577772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recognize which ICs do this? < 1373088321 593355 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088330 982699 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal was to make this challenge quite hard but still do-able with a few different routes that you could use to exploit it. http://pastebin.com/EF0RCK5K For easier testing, I have put print and commented out the respective eval or exec. Just take away the comments on eval and exec for testing. < 1373088394 46369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's see what that is. < 1373088470 309550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python require the "else" block even though it only says "pass"? < 1373088538 78594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the purpose of this program? < 1373088543 133096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i looking at here < 1373088554 687776 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you run it you will see ;) < 1373088647 869875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't getlist identity < 1373088683 647150 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088687 51305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except there are other iterators, right. < 1373088706 534707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it going to be 2? < 1373088723 962483 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373088724 555267 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomfunc is... yeah, what the hecks is the point of that. < 1373088940 79947 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of the challenge is to execute arbitrary code via input. < 1373088992 131581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: O, OK, then. < 1373089009 186561 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you understand? < 1373089019 555666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give it a string with two chars of noise, and then all chars in aeiourstlnmp1234567890_*()'\' without ones. < 1373089021 923197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot about Python, so maybe I don't understand perfectly. < 1373089095 830884 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Example? < 1373089126 749960 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..print('exploit :D') < 1373089129 380132 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not work < 1373089142 231967 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a space, which is stripped. < 1373089166 755876 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What? < 1373089177 9177 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rem removes the space. < 1373089194 804637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it would remove a "x" too. < 1373089205 479096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. < 1373089207 808624 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print('eploit') < 1373089211 698657 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the output < 1373089389 641109 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you have to try execute is system commands < 1373089397 298951 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why. < 1373089401 254769 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or similar < 1373089410 753226 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That is the challenge < 1373089416 938088 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice eval? < 1373089427 775323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what about it < 1373089437 919672 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Eval is dangerous < 1373089462 790738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit. < 1373089498 777994 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You think you can get command execution? < 1373089518 837788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably? i don't want to bother warping python through these weird restrictions. < 1373089529 303035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, this was in ##crypto the other day. < 1373089546 906544 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1373089562 918407 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373089566 827531 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one has been able to solve it as yet. < 1373089575 873390 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see, rem makes it a list again. < 1373089579 173023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of this thing. < 1373089582 879240 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not encryption. < 1373089584 876813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of those" < 1373089606 303202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those... what. "encryption" through stringing crap together? < 1373089758 787033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know python well enough to work out what fucking exception ends with this string. mafingre, your challenge is uninteresting. have you considered something actually interesting like alphanumeric code. < 1373089795 216371 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373089893 409737 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not uninteresting, however it is somewhat challenging ;P < 1373089921 184617 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the challenge is navigating obscurely written functions and knowing ins and outs of python behavior. < 1373089979 296225 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that is what esoteric is all about? :P < 1373090017 826962 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec(rem(data)) so it ends up doing: exec(['p', 'r', 'i', 'n', 't', '(', "'", 'e', 'p', 'l', 'o', 'i', 't', "'", ')']) < 1373090037 737319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it throws a "that's not a thing i can exec" exception, and if that exception ends with 'ctlist' it gets executed. < 1373090047 262962 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, i'm being pretty elitist, but there's a difference between problems for the sake of problems and problems that lead to interesting solutions, is what i'm saying. < 1373090062 853928 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you're going to learn from your problem is how to read weirdass python. < 1373090131 198342 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually, it does eval(e), e being an exception, and i would guess that eval of an exception object is just id. < 1373090399 749750 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373090468 10415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't execute shit except through reverse hashing, and all that code is a noisy waste of time. < 1373090504 617625 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, try through reverse hashing < 1373090531 83618 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What do you mean reverse hashing? < 1373090536 250035 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashes cannot be reversed < 1373090575 633720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructing input that sha512s into something useful. < 1373090585 415973 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I return to: What is the fucking point of all this. < 1373090649 943365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "you kind of have to brute force your way to a program"? < 1373090654 634216 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Input such as? < 1373090666 937008 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I'll just break SHA for you. < 1373090702 667858 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, it does not require breaking sha1 < 1373090809 876493 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373090843 794595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you said ##crypto not r/crypto < 1373090856 424845 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at what it does closely < 1373090860 365864 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea #crypto < 1373090905 243378 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice, no output is given when a sha512 hash is inputted < 1373090927 601100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373090950 606114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, reddit.com/##crypto is the subreddit in question < 1373090953 578964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373090962 321770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1373090962 991814 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric : My goal was to make this challenge quite hard but still do-able with a few different routes that you could use to exploit it. http://pastebin.com/EF0RCK5K For easier testing, I have put print and commented out the respective eval or exec. Just take away the comments on eval and exec for testing. < 1373090997 888200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those aren't supposed to be commented out? < 1373091004 296729 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373091036 72238 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Correct < 1373091076 803139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well, then it might not be entirely hopeless :P < 1373091230 705105 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You think you can do it? :P < 1373091286 190644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not but... < 1373091308 57917 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...? < 1373091337 476664 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have faith :) < 1373092103 118906 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1373092546 448985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the eval path looks impossible to reach, unless some of the python functions used to construct data has an implausible corner case. < 1373092653 573870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec seems easy enough, as long as you can stay within the character restrictions. < 1373092826 893705 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Manage to exec anything? < 1373093581 476585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering why something as trivial as ..print(2*2) isn't working :( < 1373093630 851076 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because rem("123") is ['1','2','3'] rather than "123". < 1373093662 290188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1373093714 755602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to add more print statements. < 1373093839 802885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "exec: arg 1 must be a string, file, or code object" does not appear to end with ctlst < 1373094197 604287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: ok not even the _sha512_ path gets around that error. i give up. < 1373094241 483764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any reason to think i shouldn't be getting that message, you might want to tell so. < 1373094266 505383 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you try printing e? < 1373094273 296976 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why you got that message? < 1373094288 373615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373094310 280338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or str(e), to be precise. < 1373094419 898423 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5768684/what-is-a-python-code-object < 1373094505 749710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373094526 527676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? i don't see any way to construct one. < 1373094600 123366 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, more python trivia. < 1373094686 695966 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__import__("os").system("rm -rf /") < 1373094692 372429 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__init__? < 1373094809 155236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: i am talking about in your program. < 1373094822 619700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need to eat before i kickban you. < 1373094822 866441 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..print(2*2) < 1373094836 737269 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is neither a string, object, nor file < 1373094854 611346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: and so? < 1373094866 263114 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is why it won't execute < 1373094902 336489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: i understand that. duh. < 1373094931 767471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying i that there is absolutely no way of _getting_ something to eval or execute with your program. < 1373095003 766453 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there is < 1373095082 680012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what version of Python? < 1373095116 234731 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :urg. not sure what I ate recently that was so bad, but I think my immune system was in a rush to get rid of it < 1373095116 729519 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any, 2.7 i use < 1373095139 507416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have 2.6.6 < 1373095165 908508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you just kickban them now. < 1373095185 931647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be unfair to do so when i'm hungry. < 1373095245 41517 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't kickban me bro. < 1373095272 800881 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, how was trondheim, and why didn't you get oerjan more food. < 1373095289 8612 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that was particularly terrible, even for me. < 1373095932 658415 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1373097005 63435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: does the python program need to be given input in a very special way? < 1373097054 974996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you cannot just type a string on the keyboard in any terminal? < 1373097112 763927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you really achieve an exploit simply by getting an ordinary string into inp < 1373097141 98775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does it matter which os < 1373097145 551011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shell < 1373097205 410153 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OS would matter < 1373097210 538303 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e linux or windows < 1373097215 649368 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use diff commands < 1373097253 133727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i am talking about getting to the point before you actually get out of python < 1373097317 467674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, i am having a suspicion that your challenge does not fit within my ideas of what its "rules" are. < 1373097363 407097 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you eaten yet < 1373097376 276152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have eaten. he still doesn't make any sense. < 1373097413 146650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering if he has zzo-like qualities of simply not understanding other people's assumptions. < 1373097429 68030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo is at least interesting. < 1373097432 855053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373097537 492524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: to put it bluntly, if i need to control the precise way the python program is run in order to control it enough to get an exploit, then i don't consider there to be a real exploit. < 1373097584 331498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn am i making any sense myself. i probably should go to bed soon. < 1373097599 243631 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what else not make it a real exploit, is having completely unrealistic and pointlessly obfuscated design. < 1373097602 186635 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373097641 68101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's another thing. is it really essential to write len(x) - (len(x)-2) instead of 2 :P < 1373097660 809730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, it just _might_ be but wtf... < 1373097719 599658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well if i don't get a _real_ clue i'm giving up now. < 1373097740 202603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what mafingre has said so far hasn't counted as clues.) < 1373097796 912641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also if i'm sounding slightly insulting it's because i'm suspecting the entire challenge is trolling.) < 1373097819 502669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling, pointless and terrible, what's the diff < 1373097827 578651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intention, Bike < 1373098243 870534 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs bike? < 1373098315 521200 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i shouldn't get so pissy < 1373098427 828423 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, you're allowed to be frustrated sometimes < 1373098522 187377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you feel your frustration building up, Bike < 1373098529 297559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like right now I just realized I have some food in my hair, and I am trying to comb it out. and that is frustrating < 1373098534 363484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you frustrated enough to 4kill < 1373098537 277555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hopefully not) < 1373098565 893907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frustrated enough to 4kill my tiredness. night y'all < 1373098583 344270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight! < 1373098598 710184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♞ < 1373098946 759386 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :neigh < 1373098952 531230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaaaa < 1373099603 609505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric < 1373099645 542915 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1373099649 174888 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373099654 960231 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1373099698 869560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373099728 147685 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373099733 291145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1373099799 300435 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373100753 130577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnit < 1373100797 316237 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373102934 776248 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373102993 618512 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: requested < 1373103105 944874 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373105397 851762 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373105644 337725 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373107459 983053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373108070 842383 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT : < 1373108548 489716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there so much #esoteric log < 1373108593 645923 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so people can follow this channel even without being online all the time (e.g. having no irc bouncer) < 1373108636 782999 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373109085 292148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:01:48 i wonder, way back in time, whether there were computers that tried hard to _keep_ a tcp connection open even if your network connection drops dead for half a second. seems like something you'd want to build into the protocol, really. < 1373109089 296741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03:58 (inb4 linux does hth) < 1373109092 674483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is what mosh is for :P < 1373110232 651014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373110304 837466 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1373110311 806396 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no wisdom entry for @ < 1373110317 886963 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote @ < 1373110319 504299 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :84) fungot!*@* added to ignore list. AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack. \ 231) lol @ closed character set standard "What does this codepoint represent?" "Nobody knows." \ 451) sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour \ 501) monqy: help how do I us < 1373110347 409202 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1373110350 856673 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1373111033 335745 :hiato!~hiato@41-133-149-74.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1373111579 652598 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373111705 532065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ApolloEnergyRequirementsMSC1966.png < 1373111719 878512 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fuck's sake nasa why the fuck would you use feet per second < 1373111989 445916 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373112127 995 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feet per second per second < 1373112165 791865 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1373112173 72528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Jafet < 1373112185 178767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Jafet < 1373112188 915407 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Jafe07t: 10Welcome to th11e internati13onal04 h02ub 05for e02sot05eric programming language de08sign and deployme07nt! For more information, chec13k05 out o14ur w07ik14i09: http://esola10ngs.org/04wiki/02Main_Page14. 09(F07o12r the09 o13ther k09in04d of esoterica11, try #esoteric on i12rc04.da11l.net.13) < 1373112200 377428 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373112258 454320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAFs, hah. < 1373112281 144146 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1373112505 340405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought mafingre had been here before < 1373112505 600905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:44 --- join: mastring (cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15) joined #esoteric < 1373112508 845078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:57 Here's a fun challenge. Can you write a program which prompts for the number of elements and then displays and output like: http://pastebin.com/bnziw40r < 1373112511 847533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually it was a slightly different name < 1373112515 804217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried `pastelogs) < 1373112588 979672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:41 I created a challenge: http://pastebin.com/Fttc7k4J I tried to make this hard as shit but still a little doable. Also change the print to the eval that is commented out. < 1373112601 801268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(##crypto) < 1373112735 315174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they might like challenges. < 1373112756 31139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the different nicks is a bit of a red flag... < 1373112783 555525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crypto gets people who come in with puzzles semiregularly. < 1373112804 477819 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles as in "break this home-brew encryption"? < 1373112816 105594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373112823 928130 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1373112827 805444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the puzzle is just a long string of numbers. "No one I've given this to has been able to decrypt it!" < 1373112833 979631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On occasion they're interesting. < 1373112841 952130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm not even in ##crypto, so I wouldn't know. < 1373112847 657164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm wondering is how they found #esoteric :P < 1373112917 265929 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow enjoying making challenges... although it's hard to make them both feasible and not to easy < 1373112919 856731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does anyone find #esoteric? < 1373112924 759451 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : /list < 1373112933 217752 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd rather not go through that < 1373112943 849720 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe through the wiki? < 1373112958 557783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, finding #esoteric specifically to give puzzles ##crypto "rejected" or whatever is a bit weird. < 1373112981 497266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since they haven't talked about esolangs or anything. < 1373114014 333551 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373114601 176906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1373114823 833127 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn33-047.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1373115037 667345 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373115223 349685 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373115336 840413 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373115388 565517 :hiato!~hiato@41-133-149-74.dsl.mweb.co.za QUIT :Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums. < 1373115535 327263 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373115851 919247 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373115855 199855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoever wins here today, their life is gonna change, for the rest of their life" -- TV < 1373115876 786067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true wisdom. < 1373117448 290392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you tv < 1373117486 456187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blv < 1373119408 416476 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373119433 985082 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373119806 938230 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn33-047.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373120255 787259 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently saying I'm short is the most popular thing I've ever done on Reddit < 1373121516 494787 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373124243 526832 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1373124531 604084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to try playing VVVVVV myself < 1373124742 623130 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supposedly installed but I can't figure out how to run it < 1373124757 287290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried typing six vs < 1373124766 394461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be my first guess < 1373124773 263275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: come elliott < 1373124775 649686 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not found < 1373124780 454701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's correctly pronounced "the letter V six times" < 1373124786 429607 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: have you tried typing the letter V six times < 1373124796 944272 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caps doesn't help < 1373124802 79924 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of ideas < 1373124810 142597 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rebooting your computer < 1373124814 781056 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that doesn't work, try a factory reset < 1373124817 832931 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the thing to find out what files are installed by a .deb? < 1373124849 519051 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg -L < 1373124867 246221 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1373124875 243280 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although clicking on the .deb also works < 1373124924 910408 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to do /opt/VVVVVV/VVVVVV < 1373125032 763242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is clicking < 1373125036 661751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you click on a file < 1373125096 333897 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think VVVVVV has a nice rhythm to it if you just say the letters though. < 1373125110 839746 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately: just make a really long vvvvvv sound. < 1373125283 747455 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVVVVV is probably easier if you know what's coming < 1373125289 238890 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that doens't make it _easy_ < 1373125501 182764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly hard either < 1373125509 798443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're going for veni vidi vici < 1373125552 559169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Price for the Reckless is possibly difficult too even when you know how to get it < 1373125561 119005 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I do) < 1373125577 656612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1373125679 376304 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in vvvvvv is easy hth < 1373125689 494508 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a dot action 2 player < 1373125762 883509 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man there's a level editor?? i gotta try it < 1373125789 398000 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scripting is kind of limited though unless you use a dangerous hack < 1373125858 420907 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dying on the simplest things. But I bet I can do veni vidi vici in one shot (I don't actually bet that) < 1373125926 750974 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i'm reinstalling it. bet i'll play through it all again before i even get around to the level editor < 1373126057 685705 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three remain < 1373126063 75665 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitch.tv/nooodl < 1373126068 95621 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mnoqy: vvvvvv stream! < 1373126076 287701 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only 133 deaths < 1373126121 91055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to watch noodle < 1373126126 244456 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err nooodl < 1373126149 22107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I don't want VVVVVV spoilers since I'm theoretically playing it recently :( < 1373126276 1394 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, should I wait around for your stream, or continue playing? < 1373126296 656607 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something happen < 1373126297 956168 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i'm gonna play the whole game < 1373126310 240154 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind spoilers < 1373126310 758172 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe if you haven't beat it play yourself < 1373126315 600285 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very thoroughly spoiled already < 1373126331 619377 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the plot, like, at all important. < 1373126348 193104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't want spoilers for how to do the rooms < 1373126398 968424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've watched multiple LPs of people playing the entire game, so < 1373126491 127724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh I don't think I want to do this level yet < 1373126599 656813 :function!~root@108-162.196-178.cust.bluewin.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1373126599 845975 :function!~root@108-162.196-178.cust.bluewin.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1373126599 846104 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1373127021 335175 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the easiest trinket in the world < 1373127206 212407 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow getting trinkets on first try "really channeling the dot action here" < 1373127248 965811 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it's VVVVVV, it's not like it has a plot < 1373127270 247945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nooodl why are you streaming the word 'offline' < 1373127278 145406 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. am i < 1373127282 706302 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about now < 1373127306 210650 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're streaming the word 'online' < 1373127358 44958 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate a difficult chord so much < 1373127378 56569 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one particular section of the tower < 1373127406 354632 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly hated that place you go to after finding vermillary < 1373127432 275057 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does everyone bring Victoria to Intermission 1/ < 1373127453 54922 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bringing ... the red guy < 1373127460 162690 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as nooodl's playthrough is done < 1373127915 900008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bit of the game < 1373127920 277920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or best bit of the game? < 1373127934 551953 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nooodle going for a full trinket run? < 1373127954 96186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373127987 919876 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT SECTION < 1373127995 886445 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I had so much trouble with < 1373128002 877626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nooodl gets through without pain < 1373128043 315952 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must get trinket < 1373128060 709024 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a teleporter by the entrance to that section I think < 1373128166 853048 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1373128229 375373 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so bad at gravitron ._. < 1373128260 475361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't gotten there yet < 1373128267 482838 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm right before first intermission < 1373128501 835316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so worst at gravitron, too, I died like a million times. (Not watching.) < 1373128540 128799 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this game? < 1373128558 488933 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVVVVV < 1373128643 812346 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, I keep losing that one thing I pasted once... here it is. http://pastebin.ca/2413195 < 1373128650 644550 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's likely I'll ever stop losing it. < 1373128866 795446 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that type for "whichever" correct? Pretty sure it isn't. < 1373128925 359563 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl is now doing veni vidi vici < 1373129126 391622 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl got the trinket! < 1373129137 195547 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1373129137 495950 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1373129137 686988 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ < 1373129152 793269 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$newcard \o/ < 1373129153 89112 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card 1: \o/ < 1373129153 241769 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          | < 1373129153 391781 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         /`\ < 1373129153 548117 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1373129153 746501 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           /< < 1373129178 123921 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$moveallto draw < 1373129178 620731 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards moved. < 1373129183 102010 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$list draw < 1373129183 451946 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card 1: \o/ < 1373129183 815461 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1373129184 7100 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           /< < 1373129207 971069 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, may be about to do prize for the reckless < 1373129213 283735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373129220 411667 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm remembering how it works < 1373129235 340521 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look hard... but it probably is? < 1373129267 302916 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I should say anything < 1373129288 297487 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1373129307 204554 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1373129313 393787 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the answer < 1373129319 210012 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373129328 274554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want it < 1373129424 87293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg plz < 1373129435 314769 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will, but only if nooodl wants the answer < 1373129458 245496 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it supposed to push me through?! < 1373129465 815939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, uh, ok < 1373129467 241192 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont tell me yet < 1373129487 378131 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1373129493 804891 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind how checkpoints work though < 1373129512 137749 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the anwser... < 1373129544 308582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hint! < 1373129566 812418 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nooodl knew the answer once, then a hint is pretty much the answer < 1373129594 374186 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratuations < 1373129596 532451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never knew < 1373129623 299232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many trinkets left? < 1373129636 825060 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1373129638 763222 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1373129642 643586 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo check < 1373129647 678453 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the cleverest thing VVVVVV did < 1373129662 838730 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel dumb for not getting it myself tho :( < 1373129706 92255 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps you can feel angry at me instead < 1373129731 576199 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht < 1373129807 255368 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow fuck < 1373129810 280473 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was the secret < 1373129812 568064 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the main route < 1373129817 809638 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the main route yes < 1373129829 535817 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.sure youre meant to do that on vwitched < 1373129881 816198 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one LPer who thought that was a bug < 1373130117 942423 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to sequence break this < 1373130122 193305 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1373130125 112976 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i mean < 1373130131 905807 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work < 1373130155 100051 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's probably not gonna < 1373130215 610654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where the rest of the trinkets are < 1373130217 539276 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373130224 798975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, n/m we weren't able to watch some of the game < 1373130279 204957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, so is that just a free trinket < 1373130286 44870 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1373130300 465821 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mandatory trinket < 1373130308 687023 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a 'free' trinket < 1373130313 714966 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to find the last 3 < 1373130342 210120 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would offer to make suggestions, but it's possible you got those < 1373130363 25907 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373130376 152075 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, if you want, I can help you find trinkets < 1373130378 859224 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: youre going the wrong way < 1373130417 279653 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love this trinket < 1373130449 168948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373130450 590090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleph < 1373130451 230071 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1373130452 349502 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1373130547 450905 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, I can't seem to stop calling you noodle < 1373130562 596924 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is a common thing Sgeo_ < 1373130638 147857 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder where the last two trinkets are... < 1373130644 939605 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where one is < 1373130653 306138 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you can get them put on your map right < 1373130657 446106 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1373130663 497975 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to blue < 1373130670 283151 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice < 1373130678 592741 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the stream stopped < 1373130682 557229 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1373130685 283063 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offline < 1373130686 735834 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1373130694 816206 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on < 1373130696 831640 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :commercial < 1373130700 880566 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now < 1373130707 120840 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barenaked granola < 1373130712 870439 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it back up < 1373130739 257965 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww < 1373130750 185393 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a baby trinket < 1373130751 563410 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get through veni vidi vici when i wasn't looking < 1373130757 919217 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373130764 957745 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I announced when nooodl was doing veni vidi vici < 1373130769 281115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK this fullscreeny thingy < 1373130773 677737 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373130776 401505 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream paused < 1373130780 538722 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP stream < 1373130815 422756 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream ressurected < 1373130819 245827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, if I scroll down too far on this webpage it crashes. this is beautiful. < 1373130839 93402 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which webpage < 1373130847 425897 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.viz.com/sigikki/ < 1373130872 807355 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pause < 1373130902 989772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still offline < 1373130917 677261 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:a158:4e65:1297:d15d JOIN :#esoteric < 1373130920 230163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i got it < 1373130923 746600 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373130925 391948 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the most boring trhinket though. < 1373130932 46871 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally the first one < 1373130941 654833 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get a prize for trinkets though < 1373130946 758303 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'll look < 1373130950 305128 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dont < 1373130952 629713 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your streams down < 1373130957 860227 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about now < 1373130974 402145 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up < 1373131032 777401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offline < 1373131036 39854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appropriate timing < 1373131060 166766 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffcjmlnslmqeliapurz < 1373131082 341618 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it over < 1373131086 775535 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373131091 680923 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it back up < 1373131098 121484 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wgat he heck happened < 1373131099 478169 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably donwnow < 1373131106 60010 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wnetupqzhgowmdifjpaoiezbgqwezoifae stream < 1373131113 482016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shit < 1373131148 590018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i googled the record for the super gravitron < 1373131159 22666 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess how high the best i saw was < 1373131160 712297 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"two years" < 1373131164 182422 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two minutes < 1373131180 178011 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hours, actually < 1373131186 697134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1373131199 653808 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :........stream..... < 1373131203 754368 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP stream < 1373131210 396530 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was going totally fuckin nuts < 1373131211 391371 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go play myself < 1373131213 414763 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even know < 1373131240 618329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373131242 160105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1373131252 423616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually 2 minutes < 1373131269 291588 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more realistic < 1373131282 338318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's formatted as 1:51:46 < 1373131290 325221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's speedrunners for you < 1373131301 859405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that last number is a decimal < 1373131474 856141 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kCbe6N16sk 5:41 < 1373131569 187496 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the red guy's dialog much better for intermission 1 < 1373131572 851164 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much less depressing < 1373131613 585969 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373131640 132311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YOUTUBE RECORD (maybe world record)" < 1373131778 30015 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:a158:4e65:1297:d15d QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1373131795 759047 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gravitron rhythm is barely faster than the music's. i'm going to kill something < 1373131801 915063 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373131826 423548 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was thinking that too < 1373131944 118639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a VVVVVV soundtrack ringtone these days. (Not that my phone ever rings.) < 1373131953 814592 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh the color rhtyhm is also different < 1373132144 941511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :/ I could call you sometime! (It will cost too much money but I have too much money) < 1373132175 709074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should give me all your excess money < 1373132179 186695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assure you it won't be a burden < 1373132188 407438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll put you on the list < 1373132204 638668 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo give it to me < 1373132205 516361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I going in your will < 1373132211 931970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make even less use of it than elliott will < 1373132216 635182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No worries, I can just play the song manually. < 1373132227 356992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like all my money to go to elliott and Phantom 'underscore' Hoover" < 1373132234 898321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they can fight each other over the relative proportions" < 1373132242 461385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i have the worst fucking attorneys" < 1373132275 533365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if kmc calls people I could set up one of those premium phone numbers and tell him it's my number < 1373132288 122281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this plan only gets more flawless by telling it while kmc is around. < 1373132295 188753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :premium phone number...? < 1373132300 736125 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with a high toll? < 1373132325 218112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a fone sex line < 1373132327 282394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Leather seats, tinted windows, that sort of thing. < 1373132329 506081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like -- yes, what kmc said. < 1373132330 888579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead I just pay a lot of money to talk to elliott < 1373132340 175043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good deal, imo. < 1373132341 28813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott sex < 1373132345 161977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I never said I would be on the other end < 1373132355 508524 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an elliott actor. < 1373132361 386900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ctcp elliott PING +++ATZATDT1900FONESEX < 1373132380 381875 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm, logically, I like elliott, but I don't like sex. therefore elliott is not sex! QED < 1373132383 437475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is probably too young to know Hayes AT codes........................................ < 1373132395 748136 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a cogent argument < 1373132428 451860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently set up an ee-bee "seller account" dealie, and it took maybe half an hour of guesswork to figure out in which format it wanted my phone number for the activation code dealie. (Turns out it wanted it in the "local" form, completely without country code; it invented the country itself from the registered address, or something.) < 1373132439 665340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that moment when your modem is connecting and you can hear from the noises whether it got 56k or not < 1373132441 771070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think +++ needs to have a pause after for it to work, I have read somewhere, for precisely that reason? < 1373132444 625781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got an aristotle in the house < 1373132463 989781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not all modems require the pause, though. < 1373132473 974459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, there were some knockoff modems that missed this subtlety though < 1373132481 747165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe to avoid patents, maybe out of general carelessness < 1373132511 389205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1373132518 354980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ping -p [hex for +++ATH0]" used to hangup quite a reasonable fraction of dialup users. < 1373132526 52645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373132545 727373 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, PNG was a patent avoidance thing, and it's better than GIF, right? < 1373132555 891488 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess similar things are not true in general < 1373132565 387224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG just uses DEFLATE compression < 1373132570 954526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better!? It's missing animations completely! < 1373132597 799100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is better in some ways sure < 1373132598 597549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, patents do sometimes cause people to avoid it to make somethinge better, although usually it isn't and I really think the time for patents being useful is gone now, and it would be better without < 1373132610 536275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually now they do have animation PNG too < 1373132651 174153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you referring to the (two competing) animated PNG specifications (APNG and MNG), or something that's actually in PNG? < 1373132671 377361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate ...Not as I Do < 1373132673 775554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much < 1373132675 68225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think APNG won < 1373132693 287220 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MNG are music files used by Creatures < 1373132693 948997 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1373132716 300752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG is probably better anyways. < 1373132719 845638 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1373132730 412399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess, but it's still not quite ubiquitous. < 1373132778 812175 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got past it < 1373132826 5140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Long live the fallen world | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373132870 411350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's ee-bee < 1373132874 218007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it estonian ebay < 1373132968 953140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the regular eBay. Kind of an "in-joke"; some lecturer used to refer to it like that. < 1373132969 103144 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past Intermission 1 < 1373132978 228296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373133032 826554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took a while to parse the meaning, actually. "Bought something from the EB? What's that?" "It's this big web auction site..." < 1373133163 478669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of string searching algorithms < 1373133224 277793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're all named after famous people so I can't pick on that basis < 1373133353 110859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did a string search algorithm benchmark report, with mooz (#esoteric person long ago), for this "labwork in programming" course. < 1373133386 984990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they all named after multiple famous people, even? < 1373133430 261761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373133442 615563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitap is rad, imo. < 1373133449 967198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of a rule that you're not allowed to invent one alone, I guess. < 1373133450 470872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Corasick isn't famous outside of the algorithm < 1373133506 996820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You just picked that because it's not anyone's name. (Or is it?) < 1373133545 792613 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott bitap johnson < 1373133614 526566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be rad if there were a null-safe bytestring search function already in some C library that people have < 1373133657 630108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sarcasm right < 1373133670 754478 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like memmem? < 1373133788 729543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that's useful < 1373133791 191013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's fast < 1373133801 901171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, I didn't know about memmem < 1373133805 634078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a GNU extension but fuck it < 1373133824 626081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does strstr not work < 1373133836 131518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bytestrings can contain nulls < 1373133847 987579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what you meant. < 1373133873 970305 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5514 suggests that it uses (a variant of) http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/node26.html#SECTION00260 < 1373133890 376968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, by the by, isn't named after even one famous person < 1373133975 139542 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitron time < 1373134280 540247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc..... glibc extensions are for bad people.... < 1373134305 873923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also evil is the name "bytestring" :( < 1373134319 528018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you rather i called them < 1373134321 18664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'vectors'? < 1373134322 670086 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to rescue green < 1373134332 601486 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then myself < 1373134353 708413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: is Sgeo_ tripping on acid < 1373134451 185442 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like he's playing VVVVVV < 1373134462 412729 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As to why he's narrating it, acid may be the explanation < 1373134486 389544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe "bytes" though I guess that's kind of ambiguous < 1373134494 236270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, they *are* strings, just not text strings < 1373134499 884968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone think "string" means "text string" < 1373134508 605642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also often thinks "text string" means "ASCII string" < 1373134515 869106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also often thinks "ASCII string" means "byte string" < 1373134527 701953 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so we come full circle . . . < 1373134542 993445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's why i qualified it, hth < 1373134584 61853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of language restrictions it's not really "text" if it contains a NUL character is it < 1373134585 10279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a lot of people think e.g. Data.ByteString.ByteString is related to String < 1373134588 15154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the String in the name < 1373134590 582766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373134595 347873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was called Data.Bytes.Bytes they probably wouldn't < 1373134596 490146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: people are wrong about Haskell, on the Internet < 1373134601 874022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data.Data < 1373134719 434221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly henning was right < 1373135393 287632 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 will often contain NULs < 1373135842 458941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So will just some binary data being used as a string, which it might sometimes be < 1373135848 488417 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to cheat to see where green is < 1373135865 842228 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf self how did I not see that < 1373135892 791262 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's a noticeable speedup from having the lengths beforehand. < 1373136024 658434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sky Deutschland to broadcast adverts directly into train passengers' heads" news scares me < 1373136097 637568 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess KMP is linear anyway. < 1373136109 737043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Can you wear a hat? < 1373136113 667151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: stupid futurue < 1373136142 825064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the way it works is just through vibrations in the windows, so if you lean on the window it's transmitted into your head. < 1373136199 784303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, that is used for other purposes too; but maybe you can put padding, if you want to avoid the impact of the vibrations? < 1373136233 337350 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373136251 668422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure that hat is made out of tinfoil < 1373136264 549615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time-tested way to stop the corporations putting things directly into your mind < 1373136307 334626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you will need to put padding in it too. < 1373136457 625581 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still cannot believe I'm getting this far in VVVVVV < 1373136459 286722 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373136575 882370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's double evil < 1373136578 928665 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly I Wanna Be The Guy? < 1373136594 335446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it prevents you from sleeping, and/or beams subliminal adverts into your dreams < 1373136599 534198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is some pkd shit right there < 1373136622 578583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :advert dreams sound exciting < 1373136623 809783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why you need a lot of padding. < 1373136624 598480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tinfoil hats actually provide any shielding or do they actually just work like antennas? < 1373136662 599277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, if you put padding inside as well as tinfoil then it might help a bit; I don't know. < 1373136676 679372 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the justification < 1373136678 19370 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people don't like advertising in general. But this is really a new technology. [It might] not only be used for advertising, but also for music, entertainment, mass transport information, weather reports and so on." < 1373136680 931504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, you might need another thing too. < 1373136715 787468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, yes, I suppose maybe someone can use it if you want to, but you should be allowed to ignore it. < 1373136833 236641 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what i meant was: that's a terrible argument < 1373136884 697895 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is this the bone conduction thing < 1373136966 930 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. < 1373137104 526609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are right it isn't a good argument. < 1373137264 598130 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373137365 474051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ < 1373137564 559062 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373137755 684177 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373138797 254960 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At The Final Challenge < 1373138862 622284 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373139042 6706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rebuttal for On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study around. < 1373139089 159874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=200511112730.afdb_effectiveness EQUAL TIME < 1373139170 536377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardest Room (with 126 deaths) < 1373139178 715119 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a nameless room < 1373139354 533160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goggel Glass has a bone conduction speaker, doesn't it? < 1373139474 261477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373139550 703359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now my resolution's scrwed up, don't know how to fix it < 1373139555 647717 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all I wanted was a screenshot < 1373139556 576359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1373139572 787500 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even see most of the screen < 1373139577 734244 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like I'm zoomed in weirdly < 1373139591 743476 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will a restart help? Not like I can even see any eplies until more people talk < 1373139619 720036 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok shrunk down the XChat window < 1373139623 30014 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1373139624 665938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xrandr --mode WxY might help. < 1373139664 923127 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives me the usage instructions < 1373139667 381090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it needs an --output OUTPUTNAME too, I don't know how it works. I'm sure your desktop environment has GUI things for resolution configuramation. < 1373139697 259849 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really reach anything in my desktop environment right now < 1373139705 417607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xrandr -q" for a list of modes, then "xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode WxH" is something you could try. < 1373139721 240707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where WxH is a suitable resolution, and DVI-1 is picked from the output of xrandr -q. < 1373139815 967022 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that worked, thank you < 1373139867 848973 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I lost my save < 1373139876 237101 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I killed VVVVVV < 1373139996 377131 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: oh, the hardest room thing is a bug < 1373140007 266471 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Gravitron, I think < 1373140344 357997 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most common command I use with xrandr is xrandr -s 0 < 1373140356 382127 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which basically sets the current monitor to the highest resolution < 1373140565 680970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's one from the pre-1.2 multiple-outputs era. < 1373140768 883265 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, have you played any of the player levels? < 1373140776 606194 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making one < 1373140778 881476 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1373140934 883769 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very dot action < 1373141184 770740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "dot action" mean? < 1373141254 960422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hah! as I suspected, a conspiracy to get better antennas on conspiracy nuts < 1373141576 409573 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's a game < 1373141766 973966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a platform game that bleeps a lot? < 1373142106 822344 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373142157 786168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then I think I played it ... it blept a lot < 1373142348 325056 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373142937 790508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also only has dots. < 1373142940 303121 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373142949 677989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was much of a topic of discusson on #esoteric a while back. < 1373143545 155741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ion can do it... < 1373143555 88959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chipophone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pchpDD5EU < 1373143587 355029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason, #2 of top comments -- "I'M THROWING MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT IT'S NOT WORKING PLZ HELP" -- sounded a bit like elliott.) < 1373143681 859892 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be even better if it were pressure sensitive < 1373143749 919698 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although chiptunes kind of abstracts in other directions... < 1373143759 720795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked up "tin foil hat" in Wikipedia, to try to understand? < 1373143852 55464 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I've played (not beaten) all of the featured levels from the Terry's blog... you do run into poor scripting making it impossible to beat things sometimes... also sometimes you run into things that are very difficult for humans. < 1373144146 21171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt a tin foil hat would work by itself, it might even cause more problems, but something more complicated might work. < 1373144157 382789 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373145724 266528 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373145741 960801 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373145761 336399 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373145803 207343 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373147170 248412 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373147213 706610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373147369 706682 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373147713 672218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the name for the thing you get if you take a cube, tessellate each face to four squares and then push all vertices out so that they lie on a sphere... oh, a deltoidal icositetrahedron, perhaps. < 1373147790 445764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Names of polyhedra are really funky.) < 1373147887 761215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean... great disnub dirhombidodecahedron, anyone?) < 1373148147 898573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual -hedron? the great ditrigonal dodecacronic hexecontahedron is < 1373148189 268291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the great disnub dirhombidodecahedron, it's real enough to have a Wikipedia page. < 1373148212 202656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some authors do not count it as a uniform polyhedron, because some pairs of edges coincide." < 1373148227 424265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Polyhedra < 1373148247 61000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_disnub_dirhombidodecahedron "Categories: Uniform polyhedra" < 1373148260 605246 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of crazy bastard puts checkpoints on disappearing platforms??? < 1373148325 986103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Category:Polyhedra includes its subcategories in the list of pages. < 1373148402 76434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, "Cube" is not in Category:Polyhedra either, because it's in the Uniform polyhedra/Regular polyhedra/Cubes subcategory instead.) < 1373148431 627115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "Fictional cubes" subcategory of that. < 1373148442 280767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the gelatinous cube, and the Cosmic Cube. < 1373148457 339112 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and timecube? < 1373148473 810029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not in there; there's only six fictional cubes. < 1373148477 779501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube is real! < 1373148490 872098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless you count the Marvel Comics Cosmic Cubes further subcategory. < 1373149500 252969 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A null pointer error? Seriously? Programming languages with THAT primitive design flaw were abandoned centuries ago. Something funny is going on." < 1373149504 837222 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this person < 1373149558 113697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373149687 477170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which world fell an why did no one tell me < 1373149694 875927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1373149743 933425 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX ERROR: THE > OPERATOR IS NOT DEFINED FOR ARGUMENTS APPLE, ORANGE < 1373149840 623452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: this is what mosh is for :P <-- most wouldn't be _necessary_ if tcp/ip worked properly in the modern internet. < 1373149881 986101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mosh < 1373149911 649468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me widow's spell checker sneaks into putty too. < 1373149929 3137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was going to correct "widow" then realized it didn't deserve it.) < 1373149942 648979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tcp/ip didn't really anticipate such high latency or roaming, I think. < 1373149968 998333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i _have_ turned off the spell checker btw, but some places _still_ ignore that) < 1373150028 275710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't agree, TCP/IP doesn't roam no matter how blissfully premodern your Internet is < 1373150057 97703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean just in some particular case < 1373150073 68316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mind you i am _not_ actually roaming, my laptop is just sitting there and still the wireless breaks irregularly :( < 1373150089 830294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, some particular case. < 1373150128 209960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mosh also has the benefit that after a long drop, it doesn't have to resend all the traffic it was trying to send you before, just sync the current state < 1373150144 237071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really compatible with TCP's model of an in-order reliable data stream < 1373150162 193701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373150191 715591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although tmux also does that part, i assume. < 1373150357 778060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm all this basically happens because humans are incapable of designing a complex system without bugs. ok that's trivial, but still depressing. < 1373150378 716948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, a system with complex intertwining goals. < 1373150382 659381 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet cockroaches are way better at it < 1373150403 733470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so just set off the nukes right away, you mean? sounds plausible. < 1373150449 209682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is another benefit of mosh < 1373150454 157505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it gets oerjan to switch to linux < 1373150477 828989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's either sufficient or necessary for that, elliott < 1373150522 552185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is the "sufficient" part helped by a crazy zealot coming to trondheim armed with an installation CD and an axe < 1373150568 991011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose if that actually happened, it might work. < 1373150642 595887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now how about without the axe < 1373150655 293843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, bring the axe, it will be amusing. < 1373150665 440402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but you have to buy it for me < 1373150678 765015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a problem. < 1373150699 346470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, i don't even manage to buy cds, how do you expect me to buy an axe. < 1373150714 533214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: TCP/HIP hth < 1373150729 594405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH/IP < 1373150772 216800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a HIP guy at the university's telecommunications lab, AIUI. < 1373150787 30043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir wisdom/hth; learn HTH/HIP is the official #esoteric network protocol. < 1373150790 682770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `wisdom/hth': File exists \ /hackenv/bin/learn: 4: cannot create wisdom/hth/hip: Directory nonexistent \ I knew that. < 1373150791 328400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i need to pay 3 pounds just to adjust the right device's audio volume, how fucked is the world on a scale of 0 to 14.7 < 1373150796 934935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373150801 589259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops that's a problem. < 1373150804 363586 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a fantastic pair of errors < 1373150814 316946 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1373150816 388056 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1373150831 561344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: answer the question < 1373150840 914670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about questions < 1373150842 126459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or answers < 1373150903 743711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fucked is the world. < 1373150914 295065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can renormalize your answer to the correct scale < 1373150985 922807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://infrahip.hiit.fi/index.php?index=about <- they made this, though I don't really think HIP's going to hip it up. < 1373151108 89536 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make a fair 5-sided die? < 1373151127 786075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what prompted "(In Chinese: zhu-ji shi-bie xie-yi)" < 1373151156 178490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you decide yet < 1373151183 117074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, did you answer my trondheim question yet! < 1373151200 484465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the trondheim question? < 1373151219 851764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might want to ask oerjan instead of elliott (hth) < 1373151234 461434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you (elliott) feed oerjan more on your (elliott's) trip (so that oerjan would have the energy to ban that one person) < 1373151243 156381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliohth < 1373151250 687526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I gave oerjan valuable information about that one person in the logs. < 1373151267 195053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of drugz was that trip made of < 1373151326 870218 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are two varieties of this level an easy version and a hard version but Id strongly recommend avoiding the hard version unless youre an IWBTG veteran or something. In any case, the easy version is only easy in a comparative sense its actually pretty bloody hard I died 639 times in my playthrough!" < 1373151444 957794 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this inforation isn't as valuable as food, imo. < 1373151524 230202 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373151618 903249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i already had figured it was the same as that spiral guy < 1373151624 866008 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hip Transfer Hrotocol < 1373151625 656795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373151630 813843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assumed it was the exact same name. < 1373151639 122558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of different names makes my troll-o-meter go up. < 1373151670 47662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the spiral thing was nice < 1373151720 113740 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1373151722 245348 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1373151989 813208 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :map ((`mod` 3) . subtract 2 . (2^)) [1..] < 1373152001 206397 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((`mod` 3) . subtract 2 . (2^)) [1..] < 1373152002 408066 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,... < 1373152014 906803 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a rather simple pattern < 1373152082 275775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the resolution and data specification of joysticks of the computers at the time of Infocom? < 1373152121 938453 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((`mod` 3) . (2^)) [1..] < 1373152122 808787 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,... < 1373152280 422767 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powers of two are never divisible by 3 < 1373152293 311357 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what you'd expect from unique factorisation thing < 1373152297 276184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1373152307 781711 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373152313 269413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was the purpose of the subtract 2? < 1373152342 510604 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see which powers of two minus two were divisible by 3 < 1373152365 726520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least C64 sticks (presumably more or less contemporary with Infocom) are -- I believe -- overwhelmingly just digital (four directions), despite there being pins in the control port hooked to SID's two 8-bit A/D converters. < 1373152390 932544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1373152394 339296 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you'd prove \n -> 2^(2*n-1) `mod` 3 == const 0 < 1373152395 554335 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1067) patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1373152402 547845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but all powers of two minus two are 0 which is divisible by 3 < 1373152406 753233 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all positive integers n < 1373152527 998853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 2^(2*n-1) = 4^(n-1)*2 == 1^(n-1)*2 = 1 (mod 3) < 1373152544 779258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373152549 558913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* = 2 < 1373152605 772398 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think your reasoning is very correct < 1373152622 150122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: um yes it is? standard congruence calculation... < 1373152632 394791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :== stands for congruent < 1373152638 347346 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n - 1) `mod` 3 in f 3 < 1373152639 260694 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373152640 643217 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n - 1) `mod` 3 in f 2 < 1373152641 605797 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373152642 699641 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n - 1) `mod` 3 in f 1 < 1373152643 657177 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373152644 597327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uhhh do you have a phd < 1373152647 46624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1373152654 895249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, i have a dsc < 1373152661 955117 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just meant 2*n rather than 2*n - 1 < 1373152664 436713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stands for Doesn't know Shit or Crap < 1373152699 977036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in which case, 2^(2*n) = 4^n == 1^n = 1 (mod 3) < 1373152722 777789 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373152743 28868 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, I'm making a tilebased game, how many Z layers should I have? < 1373152744 237453 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n) `mod` 3 in f 1 < 1373152745 107506 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1373152747 547451 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n) `mod` 3 in f 2 < 1373152748 502177 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1373152749 492039 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n) `mod` 3 in f 3 < 1373152750 405336 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1373152753 31397 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, that's right < 1373152756 512334 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your first one wasn't < 1373152784 134963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior: surely there is a more appropriate channel for this. < 1373152801 3073 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#gamedev is too slow < 1373152804 580266 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what you meant by * = 2 < 1373152808 792039 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused about that < 1373152817 497332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior, 36 < 1373152828 613039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior: so, in other words, yes, and you already know about it. < 1373152834 841784 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's a good number < 1373152843 671420 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok, now prove P != NP < 1373152845 482557 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many are underground? < 1373152852 28428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 < 1373152860 125899 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 36 < 1373152864 440492 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-52 < 1373152889 477476 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < x < 36 < 1373152907 492135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i'll have to invent an unnatural form of proof first < 1373152970 664403 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Such as ! = N? < 1373152992 607696 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, in this case multiplication is commutative < 1373153050 509024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: another thing to note is that 2^(n+1) = 2*(2^n) == 2*(2^n `mod` 3) (mod 3) so going from n to n+1 is like a finite state machine. < 1373153052 511520 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :P != NP == P N= NP == NP = NP, refl < 1373153088 690544 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see < 1373153109 183872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this of course also works for other values of 2 and 3 >:) < 1373153158 924351 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as 5 or 8 < 1373153159 956106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and euler's totient function gives you a way to find a cycle length, although not necessarily optimal < 1373153163 434054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373153217 68499 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the carmichael totient function? < 1373153275 93268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's not his totient function i think, it's his _conjecture_ < 1373153283 548387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also first time i heard of it. < 1373153344 780638 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmichael_function < 1373153382 724956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmichael's_totient_function_conjecture < 1373153418 402761 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373153462 87776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh aha. well that still doesn't solve the problem for a _given_ a. < 1373153512 267523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may vary for the same n. < 1373153531 988422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for one thing, a=1 always has m=1) < 1373153640 650331 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 10 < 1373153657 158370 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes lambdabot < 1373153660 621541 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 < 1373153662 867249 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1373153709 275508 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 1 < 1373153712 33185 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1373153714 22593 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 2 < 1373153715 217053 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1373153716 492545 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 3 < 1373153717 654382 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 127 < 1373153720 316189 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 4 < 1373153721 299387 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 < 1373153726 539380 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 5 < 1373153746 477503 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you prove this function is prime for all naturals x? < 1373153750 48438 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or otherwise < 1373153833 203599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did lambdabot give up < 1373153839 681641 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1373153849 354333 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just isn't saying it did for some reason < 1373153867 669905 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^170141183460469231731687303715884105727 is a pretty big number < 1373153873 294346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably caused by > 'b':cycle"adonk" (in another channel) < 1373153909 128521 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires 170141183460469231731687303715884105728 bits to store naively < 1373153918 370640 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how many petabytes? < 1373153923 768004 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PART :#esoteric < 1373153949 123088 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 170141183460469231731687303715884105728 / (1024^5) < 1373153950 57604 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5111572745182865e23 < 1373153955 524476 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of petabytes < 1373153973 104076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of lotsabytes < 1373153995 506863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "2^170141183460469231731687303715884105727" -- i have an idea re: storage < 1373153996 396001 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 41 < 1373154001 11265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well you _maybe_ could try the lucas-lehmer test on that last one, i'm not sure how big mersenne numbers can be handled currently < 1373154013 509785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well now you have to store ghc < 1373154019 844553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and how many petabytes is that < 1373154026 886637 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: f 5 is probably too big < 1373154031 372421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that many, imo. < 1373154042 367179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now i have to line words up... < 1373154050 81903 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't. < 1373154059 545296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes i do. this is how it works < 1373154069 879917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thank you for your coöperation < 1373154076 983296 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :öõō < 1373154079 195399 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1373154088 588913 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373154122 864979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how long does this thing go on < 1373154133 181543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it gets tiresome after a while < 1373154143 432736 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :41 < 1373154148 699496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does lucas-lehmer require actually storing the number itself < 1373154177 353935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you sure you don't mean 36 < 1373154203 125782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: since these lines are 36 chars < 1373154213 90990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right it would require numbers of similar size, at least < 1373154245 680932 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373154334 404031 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whomever proves f is prime for all naturals, will probably be very highly regarded < 1373154349 676659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do i really have to say "Bike" < 1373154360 553596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: or is it just 36-letter lines? < 1373154377 851796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw is dropping '?'s cheating? < 1373154479 947601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: is this an unsolved problem? < 1373154512 844098 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1373154520 477141 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you can drop the bike if you're e.g. not talking to bike < 1373154523 787287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine you could at least do some trial division on f 5 < 1373154539 270435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: ok i'll stop < 1373154541 318345 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe it's unsolved < 1373154555 447488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe we could set up a bot to kick you when you say something with length not 36 < 1373154599 205814 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you pad with spaces? < 1373154643 103372 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe set up a bot to kick shachaf if he says too many consecutive lines of the same length < 1373154654 630459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: good bot < 1373154656 394785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "It is not known if c_5 is prime, but it is known that it has no prime factor less than 10^(51) (Noll; private correspondence with C. K. Caldwell, Aug. 10, 2003)." < 1373154674 521549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Source: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Catalan-MersenneNumber.html) < 1373154681 340799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 10 1000 < 1373154682 247962 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24 < 1373154708 324689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("private correspondence" is the best reference.) < 1373154711 408032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 3 < 1373154712 294609 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373154714 858026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why are they just digital even though it has analog wires in it? < 1373154716 258709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 5 < 1373154717 135697 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1373154719 598418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 5 < 1373154720 576112 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1373154724 166238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 7 < 1373154725 80247 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373154728 688313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 11 < 1373154729 748829 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1373154732 499319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 13 < 1373154733 459855 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1373154736 22225 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This will take very long < 1373154737 549397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 17 < 1373154738 425777 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1373154740 38004 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you could like < 1373154747 963490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automate it? < 1373154751 905894 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do some programming? < 1373154755 69267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I like how you subtly messed up ion's blah score. < 1373154768 686622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, here is the list of computers which Infocom has assigned ID numbers for Z-machine story files: DECSystem-20, Apple IIe, Macintosh, Amiga, Atari ST, IBM PC, Commodore 128, Commodore 64, Apple IIc, Apple IIgs. < 1373154786 30521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hth < 1373154798 254716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [19, 21 .. 99] < 1373154799 113095 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1373154818 844551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how the joysticks work on these computers? < 1373154823 397139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [101, 103 .. 999] < 1373154824 660400 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1373154834 32706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [101, 103 .. 99999] < 1373154837 657958 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1373154840 617912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [101, 103 .. 9999] < 1373154842 147648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If that's testing the next number, did you notice I mentioned it's been tested up to 10^51? < 1373154844 242252 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1373154845 920276 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IBM PC would probably use a game port < 1373154856 896065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: NO I DIDN'T O KAY < 1373154868 986235 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari ST had its own connector, and I think Commodore 64 and 128 did too < 1373154874 349756 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tested for all reals up to 10^-51 < 1373154892 398918 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the DECSystem-20 had joystick options < 1373154931 603777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1373154933 120979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :535) Second Life is like... real life, modelled by people who've READ about real life, you know, in books. < 1373154940 993767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know why they didn't do analog joysticks that much, they just didn't. There were paddles connecting to the control port that did use the A/D lines. < 1373154983 715451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PC joystick is analog right < 1373155000 828734 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For PC, it depends < 1373155014 313109 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many different joysticks < 1373155015 649531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the original joystick port joystick < 1373155021 776741 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think usually analog < 1373155027 672290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits? < 1373155039 92602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :axes are potentiometers, hardware reads it by discharging a capacitor through them and timing how long that takes < 1373155045 799885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think that act is about drugz, not computer hardware < 1373155048 865562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very cheap form of ADC < 1373155052 192478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: axes are used to cut down trees < 1373155065 259519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you can do the same to make a touch sensor on a microcontroller < 1373155071 753608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using just two I/O pins and one big resistor < 1373155077 280503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit of wire or a plate to be touched < 1373155085 169947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a bit different but similar < 1373155095 944098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lovely quote < 1373155101 966462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you toggle one of the pins and see how long the other takes to change, and that depends on the capacitance on your plate etc. < 1373155113 304444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, standard quote fee applies < 1373155120 494831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :address the cheque to hexham < 1373155128 821933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what is the format of the data that is available to the computer program? < 1373155192 690868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think in the original PC joystick interface, the timing kmc mentioned was done in the software. < 1373155216 249091 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck uses axes to cut down trees nowadays < 1373155288 655271 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373155314 539793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game port IO port is just one byte; four bits for buttons (A1, A2, B1, B2), and four for the "has it timed out yet" bits for X/Y axes of joysticks A/B. < 1373155402 225705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's how it works. < 1373155431 53389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you see that ion and I used your IRC server? < 1373155436 348516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it know when to start though? < 1373155461 737822 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373155465 725293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven't looked. What channels did you use? (If it isn't one of the permanent channels, it won't be logged anywhere that it was even in use.) < 1373155478 375530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was one of the permanent channels. < 1373155484 727519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember which. < 1373155490 536460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can look. < 1373155498 624896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps +TEXNICARD? < 1373155525 826290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't even seen it after all this time, it doesn't seem like a very good way to contact you. < 1373155533 929362 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373155546 645309 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373155547 766052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I found it now. < 1373155553 232229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It resets (by discharging the capacitor) on write, I think, and then you wait how long it takes for the bit to go from 0 to 1. < 1373155592 392511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can use the SUMMON command to make my computer make noise and then that is a better way to contact me. < 1373155614 815347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that an IRC command? < 1373155620 848926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client doesn't support it. < 1373155621 660532 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/elan.htm http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/belker.htm < 1373155626 192811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Though there's a BIOS interrupt routine to do it, if you count that as "available to program". < 1373155635 630585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm sure it supports /QUOTE. < 1373155641 834867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ? < 1373155658 268305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but how am I to know about SUMMON? I'll forget it about by the time I want to contact zzo38 again. < 1373155677 836036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's a STANDARD COMMAND, why would you FORGET. < 1373155679 750156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is in the help file of the IRC server. < 1373155682 338811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote < 1373155716 568271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So why doesn't my IRC client support it? < 1373155717 399048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a fully standard command which only zzo38 implements, of course < 1373155718 482277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1373155734 123354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The SUMMON command can be used to give users who are on a host running an IRC server a message asking them to please join IRC." < 1373155743 112396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we sure this command wasn't added by zzo38? < 1373155778 358983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a well-established command. < 1373155795 884817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs .*please < 1373155815 574439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_commands#SUMMON see < 1373155816 948885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What IRC server do you use? < 1373155818 738637 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5108 < 1373155826 540382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A variant of ngIRCd. < 1373155866 749241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Gopher server do you use? < 1373155879 941787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One I wrote myself. < 1373155900 389890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the code available? < 1373155925 742293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it is written in BASIC so you will need a BASIC compiler in order to use it. < 1373155952 666921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw since you're a wiki admin now I can tell you to feature a language. < 1373155966 795340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was afraid of that. < 1373155966 945319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why BASIC? < 1373155973 254611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Please feature Norwegian. < 1373155980 315425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i guess esme < 1373156013 401723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is just what I used. If I rewrite it again today probably I use C, and make some other improvements too. < 1373156014 79751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um esme isn't even on the candidates list. < 1373156019 228712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical. < 1373156027 338355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :universe is cruel < 1373156040 734443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plz feature nynorsk hth < 1373156052 1941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What other servers do you run? < 1373156064 315145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: eg trur ikkje det er nokon god idé. < 1373156095 398910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google translates that to: "I do not think there is any good idea." < 1373156101 602763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems correct, as these things go. < 1373156116 828003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you count the BIOS joystick reading routine, you could say the precision on the PC is around 9 bits; it returns a 16-bit word, but the RBIL says "A 250kOhm joystick typically returns 0000h-01A0h". < 1373156118 888885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :factually correct, yet not translationary correct < 1373156124 539651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A correct statement, I mean, not a correct translation.) < 1373156127 656246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373156130 818960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Apache HTTP server. I had Synchronet on at one time, but now I don't. However, I might put it back later, or a different telnet server. I also run a SMTP server I wrote myself, although it is usually inactive and nobody can connect. < 1373156142 833915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you mean translationarily correct < 1373156151 567037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1373156160 278062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1373156162 239521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373156167 712387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is the code for your smtp server available < 1373156175 964914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, although it is written in PHP. < 1373156188 164605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373156199 647788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks < 1373156297 949511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it just concatenates all the messages into one file called "mailbox.txt", including headers and everything, and it can only deliver to a single email address. Furthermore, it isn't meant to be running all the time; it is meant only for a single message to be received, and it won't accept multiple simultaneous connections. It will play a sound when a message arrives, though. < 1373156323 487142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what's the "e t a" on `olist 898 < 1373156361 752112 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's supposed to come at wheneverrichburlewpostsit'o'Clock < 1373156372 714443 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373156394 371581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you hinting that it'll be posted today? < 1373156412 938246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Z-machine, the JSTAT extension table word is sixteen bits long, and I am trying to figure out its format. It was never documented, implemented, or used, but its position in the file is known. < 1373156463 426656 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it will definitely either be posted today or a date that comes after today. < 1373156585 596670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀d.d`comesAfter`today => posted(today) /\ posted(d)? < 1373156599 155874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s#/\\#\\/# < 1373156781 110097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you hinting that it'll be posted at all? < 1373156956 980235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i'm out of apples. bet a doctor will show up if i'm not careful. < 1373157028 748846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you racist against doctors.............. < 1373157120 748690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey those doctors are dangerous, some of them will cut you up if you let them close < 1373157126 478085 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that s command would've been a lot more fun if you hadn't used #s... < 1373158301 565313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's the difference between port 194 and port 6667? < 1373158305 912511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc vs. ircd < 1373158379 955284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is de jure standard and one is de facto standard? < 1373158455 447190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which one is du jour standard < 1373158588 595017 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So zzo38 wrote his Gopher server in BASIC. That’s actually fitting. < 1373158617 901407 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A standard du jour would be a really annoying kind of standard. < 1373158669 554218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "non" kind of standard < 1373158841 436734 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the linear lambda calculus, the dual-cancellation function has the type ((a -> Bottom) -> Bottom) -> a. Looks suspiciously like the type of the "shift" operator in delimited continuations. < 1373158884 82202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1373158891 813821 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's which? < 1373158957 737355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of shift. < 1373158990 306501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does this have to do with linearity specifically? < 1373159017 844366 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. In Control.Monad.CC, it's p b -> ((m a -> m b) -> m b) -> m a. The first argument, p b, just indicates which limit you're using. < 1373159045 704990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cont < 1373159046 430997 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> r) -> r) -> Cont r a < 1373159095 751522 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, I think this does have to do with linearity specifically. Like, in linear lambda calculus, Cont Bottom is essentially the identity. < 1373159199 901999 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1373159234 245081 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's this going to look like. There's this function cancel :: ((a -> Bottom) -> Bottom) -> a. So the entire calculation is going to look like f (cancel g), where f :: a -> r and g :: (a -> Bottom) -> Bottom. < 1373159250 800526 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function "cancel" is magically aware of both f and g. It has to produce something of type r. < 1373159291 642366 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is easy if you assume Bottom = r. < 1373159304 295252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Port 194 is standard, although usually much higher numbered port are used such as 6667 and numbers near it. < 1373159339 427180 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which actually seems like a perfectly defensible assumption, because Bottom is the "most inconvenient possible type": it cannot be obtained, and, once obtained, it cannot be disposed of. < 1373159354 722878 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it could be anything. < 1373159407 811886 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTT. < 1373159427 156336 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Isn't it weird how when people in this channel flip three coins, they almost always come up HTH?) < 1373159777 130911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: two of them are double-headed coins and one is a double-tailed coin hth < 1373160042 14191 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. TTH < 1373160057 358898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In linear logic, I think the dual of X is the same as (X -o Bottom) because bottom is the unit for par and implication is done by the dual of left side, par, right, so dual(X) par Bottom = dual(X) so ((X -o Bottom) -o Bottom) can also X. < 1373160066 734824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1373160075 276350 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's one interpretation. < 1373160199 335542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373160467 721763 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the linear lambda calculus is described here: http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/papers/lineartaste/lineartaste-revised.pdf < 1373162202 230714 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373162219 771979 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373162226 534819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl < 1373162228 420985 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooodl is right < 1373162959 903630 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373163000 445985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn nooodl is the correct spelling < 1373163004 417672 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1373163187 566146 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being told that I probably got ripped off :/ < 1373163210 865989 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl < 1373163212 931324 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooodl is the correct spelling < 1373163215 416574 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1373163250 762793 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, that the 650M sucks < 1373163530 760245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what 650M < 1373163560 43359 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 650m < 1373163569 624938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's not the amount of ram in your very expensive new machine? because if so, then yes, you have been. < 1373163621 155023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's only slightly more than my frequently thrashing previous laptop had...) < 1373163634 398794 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual nVidia GeForce GT 650 M < 1373163650 114091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. just the gpu then? < 1373163666 941885 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. And apparently it's not so great? < 1373163683 277292 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, SLI < 1373163689 434551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait the sticker on my new laptop says approximately that, except 635M :P < 1373163710 61703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 2 GB after that < 1373163725 391428 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 (59359559) Notebook Intel Core i7 3630QM(2.40GHz) 15.6" 16GB Memory DDR3 1600 16GB SSD 1TB HDD 5400rpm Dual NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M SLI" < 1373163731 700020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this sticker (it has more) < 1373163752 224021 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paid 1159 for that, a few hundred more in warranty < 1373163755 265875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I ripped off < 1373163778 353758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no real idea, btw < 1373163808 834270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i got wasn't the top model, anyway < 1373163867 503423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that it's a bad idea to buy a Lenovo fooPad for foo /= Think < 1373163874 998021 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 650M SLI with a 3630QM is a little pants-on-head stupid though < 1373163884 103625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they have 650M SLI, that seems a little weird < 1373163893 713973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, two small cards vs one big one (there must be some good reason?) < 1373163907 847600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the 680M being incredibly expensive, I guess that could be why < 1373164182 260587 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I at least have a chance of replacing the graphics card myself? < 1373165128 990380 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373165142 721387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373165325 718912 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373165594 279772 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-80-15.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1373167813 167356 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373167964 523463 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373168595 979846 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373168603 775455 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373168867 430090 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://type.method.ac/ < 1373168871 719008 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kern Type, the kerning game < 1373168938 303103 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of broken for me, but then again a lot of stuff is broken for me, blah < 1373168963 180988 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1373169087 714847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i got 100/100 on gargantuan < 1373169092 739036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think their scoring is broken!! < 1373169096 244892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i was p. far off < 1373169114 790949 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, was that sarcastic? Because if you know why stuff is broken in my browser, please tell me < 1373169136 496402 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: nope :( < 1373169202 260138 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bulletproofexec.com/how-to-make-your-coffee-bulletproof-and-your-morning-too/ < 1373169336 581558 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I was hoping that bulletproof coffee would protect me from bullets. < 1373169360 926523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know! < 1373169370 36161 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this disappoints me < 1373170129 632978 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Changing host < 1373170129 822382 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1373170308 216011 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373170725 805979 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373171947 992602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help how do i parametricity < 1373172412 926654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just watched an animation that's 13 years old < 1373172550 356064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? < 1373172584 834490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the thing where you accidentally stumble onto a mathoverflow page? < 1373172600 6129 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373172630 84613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike how do i parametricity < 1373172630 449211 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.userfriendly.org/animation/episode1.html < 1373172639 909572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably first watched this over a decade ago < 1373172659 569670 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: theta_1, theta_2, etc < 1373172682 983791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: θx < 1373172690 148970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373172697 256219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be þx < 1373172705 215733 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have bulletproof coffee, but I put heavy cream in black tea < 1373172707 673333 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1373172715 907884 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should put butter in instead < 1373172722 681007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes's greatest weakness. < 1373172730 616160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we know where to shoot! < 1373172744 398704 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :my teapot? < 1373172755 855777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your coffee. < 1373172803 537167 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have coffee < 1373172834 338552 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my weakness :( < 1373172843 263554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat and double drat! < 1373173746 658617 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're like a grownup now arent you < 1373173755 306737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 < 1373173765 753430 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats your favorite beer < 1373173792 877011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had beer < 1373173819 735414 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sam smiths is worth looking into. i think ive only disliked their lager, for blandness < 1373173893 804477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you have some idea about the format of "MID files" for Z-machine? I have the MID files for only one game (Sherlock), and all of them seem mostly the same: A note on command on channel 0 with velocity 64, some 0xFF command (possibly a delay?), and a note on command on channel 0 with velocity 0 (which is treated as a note off, due to the MIDI specification). < 1373173914 106766 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how drunk are you right now < 1373173915 824886 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373173964 78322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only documentation I could find says it consists of a 16-bit length followed by a "sequence of commands"; it says it might have something to do with MIDI, but doesn't quite make it very clear. It also says the third byte of the sequence of commands tells it what note to play; it looks to me like it is actually the second byte which does that. < 1373173995 957801 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373174701 561236 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: elliott might be, on non-beer. i can assure you that i am, however. < 1373174719 356954 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a scale!! < 1373174733 328056 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 0.0 < 1373174733 989905 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373174782 971010 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not drunk enough imo < 1373174806 928220 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: im like three pints in at least. < 1373174823 177915 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,aybe more? probably more. its hard to tell. < 1373175051 25334 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373175081 921139 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373175085 40544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373175089 107534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373175186 113357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The left speaker on my computer isn't working for some reason. < 1373175240 885196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yay i solved my cabal install problem. turns out it only went wrong when running from inside winghci and worked fine on a real command line (after wiping out and repairing the database mess caused by the first attempt) < 1373175311 557500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the negative side, this of course will delay my switching to linux. < 1373175428 451892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :partially my problem was caused by the awkwardness in windows 8 of _getting_ to a command line, which caused me to start cabal from inside winghci in the first place. but now i've made a shortcut for it. < 1373175678 376815 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373175845 658731 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373176254 864200 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-80-15.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Farewell < 1373177380 329515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is easy to get the command-line on Windows 8. Push Windows+R and then type cmd.exe < 1373177391 710865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as Windows 7 and XP. < 1373177465 599799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily that still works on XP and all later version of Windows I have worked with on other computers. So does ALT+SPACE, ALT+F4, ALT+TAB, and all those other commands; they still continue to work just fine. < 1373177571 708345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i never learned the Windows+R shortcut before, or at least never remembered it. < 1373177592 32864 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a useful tric. < 1373177592 307580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was easier to remember just going to the start menu < 1373177686 644522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like really confusing, but actually most of the same keyboard commands still work, even when running full-screen programs. < 1373177819 707661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all of the programs in Windows 8 (my own computer doesn't have Windows 8), although it seems there are many full-screen programs; you can still push ALT+F4 to close a program and ALT+TAB to switch between them, even though they changed around all of the GUI stuff. < 1373177857 653159 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably still press ctrl+insert to copy and shift+insert to paste < 1373177862 357909 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I'm going soft < 1373177863 205331 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS likes their backwards compatibility < 1373177879 952038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮ.ꙮ < 1373177883 382862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1373177900 260783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, coppro is melting! < 1373177958 514430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Well, having the same keyboard commands work (and retaining cmd.exe; I am glad they did that and didn't force you to use PowerShell instead, which I almost expected them to do) is really the only reason I was able to figure out their computer in order to set it up for them. < 1373177975 669042 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, i bet < 1373177980 841107 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme back dat command.com dammit < 1373177981 450356 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1373177986 518074 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna edit my autoexec.bat < 1373177999 198232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 8 is weird :'( < 1373178000 68255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373178002 183087 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :powershell has a lt of good things about it < 1373178008 117969 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but error messages is NOT one < 1373178021 59855 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want a fuckin stack trace to tell me 'command not found' < 1373178062 822984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command.com is a DOS program though; it won't run in 64-bit Windows. You can still use a PC emulator to run DOS programs, though. < 1373178244 880479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1373178247 690217 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :701) I swear my dreams are becoming increasingly rave + computer science oriented < 1373178249 109427 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh, i'm just sayin' < 1373178253 682159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1373178255 359057 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :93) Hooray! I'm an idiot. < 1373178255 733507 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kids and your "windows" < 1373178256 592746 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1373178257 40245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb++ < 1373178689 340790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what ".was-mid" files are? < 1373178707 931306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the case that a ".was-mid" file was a ".mid" file? < 1373179065 570045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't appear to be, but it does seem to have something to do with MIDI. It doesn't use the ".mid" format, though; the only thing in the header is the length of the file. < 1373179191 249812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only ones I have seem to consist of a single note on channel zero of velocity 64 (there isn't any program change command), a delay (I don't actually know what it is, but it appears to consist of 0xFF followed by a 16-bit word; I assume it is a delay), and a note off (actually a note on with velocity zero, which the MIDI specification says is the same as a note off). < 1373179284 595239 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves < 1373179292 614900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yopumpkin < 1373179302 297704 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yochaf < 1373179323 806908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoyo < 1373179339 902397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything else about them (or how the delay is supposed to work), so I was wondering if someone else know. < 1373179425 789030 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373179426 282736 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373179613 450009 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373179889 162337 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373183244 54743 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373183255 32385 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1373183305 59756 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With what? < 1373183325 731710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rescues Taneb by swooping him up in a net < 1373183329 441295 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Discovering what program generated/opened them would be helpful < 1373183345 887184 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on the Isle of Wight < 1373183360 735911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, wights are dangerous < 1373183384 867437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, it would help. Unfortunately, I don't know. < 1373183391 223989 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place is full of them! < 1373183435 619996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let them touch you! i think! < 1373183444 567891 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is the creation date on them? < 1373183472 404945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, simon tatham still hasn't fixed that thing where undo doesn't work across accidentally pressing n < 1373183509 156419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should try to move to the Isle of Wraith, instead; you can gain a lot of levels there. < 1373183544 694403 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately my level is still quite < 1373183569 270212 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low, I was aiming for the Isle of Rat < 1373183573 855657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The date on them is 1994, although they were actually created before that. < 1373183608 271463 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS program territory then < 1373183631 437349 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although could have still been a 16-bit Windows program < 1373183638 950222 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, will be difficult < 1373183659 881111 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could write a converter to mid to see what they sound like < 1373183660 31164 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does F_ < 1373183663 557877 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1373183674 885054 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid phone keyboard < 1373183702 646424 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373183760 531239 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1373183789 638236 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does F-E+V=2 work for solids not topologically isomorphic to spheres? < 1373183849 687872 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Not in general < 1373183859 459022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, from the information I have I think they were used on Amiga computers, as part of a game. < 1373183883 103324 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, that's good to know < 1373183885 427963 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, thanks < 1373183913 883045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also the audio files, and the format of those is documented; however, the ".was-mid" files are unknown; like I said the ones I have are all very similar and all are 11 bytes long. < 1373183931 228024 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to see if there are any .was-mid files on aminet < 1373183974 899714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: see euler characteristic < 1373184003 123998 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I alas am on my tiny phone < 1373184011 110672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about switching to another browser at least < 1373184025 383145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: let's say that the 2 tends to vary a bit hth < 1373184037 786759 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing on aminet < 1373184047 154107 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with the voice "recognition" < 1373184095 294019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: torus has 0 for example < 1373184100 12777 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the book I'm reading gets onto this < 1373184146 660500 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd go ask over at pouet or an amiga forum < 1373184231 199530 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's talking about Euler characteristics now < 1373184318 530996 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This way lies madness" < 1373184401 562519 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on trying to define the concept of a hole) < 1373184413 968671 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know, there is a number A for which floor(A^3n) is prime for all positive integers n? < 1373184430 567637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just say something about cuts and be done with it < 1373184434 855790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! AltaVista is closing tomorrow! How can we find anything on the Internets any more? < 1373184457 148841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: omg really < 1373184457 650487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: rings a bell < 1373184481 925171 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, is that number computable? < 1373184512 512404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://yahoo.tumblr.com/post/54125001066/keeping-our-focus-on-whats-next "Please see below for product closure details and dates." "AltaVista (July 8, 2013)" < 1373184598 875064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does yahoo have a tumblr < 1373184600 364462 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If the Riemann Hypothesis is true, yes < 1373184605 270624 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, I don't know < 1373184626 773554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think it's because they're hip? < 1373184629 821220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apparently AltaVista is "powered by Bing". < 1373184636 31510 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1373184636 511033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's been dead a long time < 1373184656 817816 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now we can calculate g by drawing faces and so forth on our solids" so forth being moustaches, glasses, goatees, etc? < 1373184659 118671 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’re a publisher and currently using Yahoo! WebPlayer on your site," who is this even written for < 1373184675 53484 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To stay up on all your favorite celebrity news, check out Yahoo! India OMG!. < 1373184713 795190 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It’s a big day here at Xobni. We’ve been acquired by Yahoo! At this moment, we’re unpacking our boxes from San Francisco and settling in to the new Sunnyvale space at Yahoo! HQ." i love how i've never heard of these companies and their names are incomprehensible. < 1373184716 969091 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yahoo owns tumblr < 1373184762 600719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Xobni is "inbox" backwards. < 1373184769 632961 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yahoo! announced its intention to acquire Tumblr on May 20, 2013, for approximately $1.1 billion. The deal closed on June 20." < 1373184770 559250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly comprehend that. < 1373184772 680352 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they own flickr too but they didn't make a photo album announcing this < 1373184781 210189 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you overestimate me, imo. < 1373184822 476772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched "help" in AltaVista and one of the related searches was "depression help" and now I'm depressed. < 1373184830 915018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, gonna take a risk and claim this is ironic. < 1373184837 998881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no elliott < 1373184840 284774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do it < 1373184845 201263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the worst risk" < 1373184895 476531 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373184938 199046 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "Kleine bottle" is a pun in German < 1373184947 341788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :take one alanisette and call me in the morning < 1373184971 94398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In December 2010, a Yahoo! employee leaked PowerPoint slides indicating that the search engine would be shut down as part of a consolidation at Yahoo!.[16] In May 2011, the shutdown commenced, and all results began to be returned on a Yahoo! page. < 1373184975 639592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're shutting down, um, the main page and logo. < 1373185016 498818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1373185045 30527 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Small bottle, or? < 1373185046 28807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the logo is no longer the mountain logo either, so I guess that's a relief. < 1373185055 763528 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373185058 486276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're old. < 1373185081 781365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, I just heard middle age doesn't begin before 36. < 1373185176 485916 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull flask/surface < 1373185267 817772 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7od4JA2Y274 There is an old Polish show about someone in his middle age < 1373185657 261185 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373185731 585389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A GUI interface using Visual Basic to track an IP Address http://guivbip.codeplex.com/ < 1373185976 657442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um isn't that, like, an ancient meme from some tv show < 1373185984 363925 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373186029 658691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1373186175 996344 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah the next chapter is about the normal distribution < 1373186305 562825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone take backup of Taneb's brain, stat! < 1373186344 506529 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say that word! < 1373186353 262404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :backup? < 1373186377 537585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"of"? < 1373186391 694505 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! The s word < 1373186401 668662 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there. < 1373186416 309455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the normal distribution, it's so... normal... < 1373186421 326290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1373186428 721532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Taneb -----### < 1373186483 798557 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the citizens of my country are non-normal probability distributions with means and variances < 1373186484 724919 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botswat < 1373186484 874801 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1373186490 10993 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373186496 50160 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, they are collectively normal :( < 1373186529 390592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap ion < 1373186529 577859 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats up ion < 1373186571 4483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the "law of large numbers" mean that people who are... materially robust... are more likely to be normal? < 1373186629 108155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I mixed up the law of large numbers and the central limit theorem, there. Aw.) < 1373186665 992159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373186668 736157 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not like statistics is an exact science! < 1373186705 559388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defense, the central limit theorem involves large numbers of things. < 1373186720 447933 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373186727 67922 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather, science is approximately just statistics, in the real world...) < 1373186792 257529 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could do science without in-depth statistics. just require every study to give either a yes or no answer, and take the consensus of studies. < 1373186805 962239 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a not very good stats teacher for the harder part of stats I learnt < 1373186807 912004 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work reasonably well. < 1373186817 591860 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1373186858 839739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that pretty close to "you could do science without statistics by pushing the statistical analysis from the scientists to the readers"? < 1373186970 399546 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what happens anyway. < 1373187001 585284 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :The yes/no is partly decided externally, rather by the researchers (although they can make their best case). < 1373187094 458941 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics affords a notion of certainty, though, so rather than taking a plurality, you take a maximum; the best most certain replicated paper and accept that. < 1373187292 710399 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Readers don't know how to do statistical analysis though < 1373187322 225512 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if some scientists do >.> ...or readers < 1373187337 302992 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373187412 336182 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373188062 11525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373188116 796562 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-16-53.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373188439 341070 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373191773 138955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373192762 655372 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373193333 842737 :QuackQuacker!~QuackQuac@94.144.63.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373193704 638662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome QuackQuacker < 1373193708 335976 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04QuackQuacker04: Welcom11e12 to th04e i03ntern10ation02al hub for esoteri09c pro03gra04mmi13ng language design 05and deployme08nt! For m13ore13 inf02ormatio06n, check 04out our 07wiki: h12ttp://e05solangs.org/wiki07/Main_Page. (Fo03r03 the other kin12d of esoter08ica, t13ry #esot08eric07 o05n irc.dal.net.) < 1373193726 410876 :QuackQuacker!~QuackQuac@94.144.63.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=] < 1373193845 636751 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi PART :#esoteric < 1373194442 906677 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373194493 461399 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373194508 296706 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373194516 567767 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1373194564 2589 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373194590 275339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: wat < 1373194603 205058 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1373194614 483536 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna need some context to answer that question elliott < 1373194621 230721 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1373194627 683656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quit/part cycles < 1373194634 946791 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373194644 498747 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know, that tends to happen a lot this days < 1373194657 201237 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with the client must be wrong < 1373194668 646706 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only happens when I start it the first time < 1373195713 402739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey steve is in ##nomic wondering if anyone wants to ask him about The Old Days hth < 1373195926 822428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my only question is when he'll start using hth < 1373195952 546523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't started infecting him yet hth < 1373195978 479190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you still using IE < 1373195984 130443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hth < 1373195993 896996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about stop twh < 1373196007 196799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later hth < 1373196020 691695 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah! < 1373196122 352040 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373196207 99217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can delay the nagging by picking a new featured language >:) < 1373197231 420269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only me and steve talking in ##nomic and i'm too tired to keep up conversation :( < 1373197425 355273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tell him you need a nap. old people understand. < 1373199949 140484 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373200751 989051 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373200780 115389 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373200865 650637 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373200884 375722 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373202273 179080 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373202743 161201 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373204250 747856 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373204393 242666 :katla!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Changing host < 1373204393 392763 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373205223 780751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373205315 101236 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373205563 521092 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla NICK :Guest49019 < 1373205563 670987 :Guest49019!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Killed (hubbard.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1373205570 217596 :Guest49019!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373205580 520326 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373206033 582932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: NOW SLEEP < 1373206431 201421 :Guest49019!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. < 1373206903 127452 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: katla has no reason < 1373207320 176049 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Quit: noooodl < 1373207533 475248 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT : < 1373207889 159499 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1373207982 988924 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373210970 865335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they make three-legged washing machines? Would be a lot easier to level, and never be unstable. < 1373211077 585157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it'd tilt easier, though... < 1373211230 948705 :vanien!~quassel@89.205.50.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373211625 144635 :vanien!~quassel@89.205.50.96 QUIT : < 1373211655 989822 :vanien!~Nope@89.205.50.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373211683 377083 :vanien!~Nope@89.205.50.96 QUIT :Client Quit < 1373211711 97546 :vanien!~Nope@89.205.50.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373211802 938670 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373212789 134671 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373212896 615473 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373213172 283785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373215301 805422 :vanien!~Nope@89.205.50.96 QUIT : < 1373217024 436221 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :Guest22624 > 1373217025 122098 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373217028 972606 :Guest22624!~Gregor@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1373218403 533375 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there's no reason for the thing to not be triangular in shape < 1373218415 689471 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides most rooms being rectangular :p < 1373218539 261818 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :packing < 1373218542 232387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1373218558 167565 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because the interior is cylindrical < 1373218604 26518 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no problem i packing triangular shapes together... assuming a house with proper geometry, at least :p < 1373218815 333958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking they could turn the drum so that the axis of the cylinder is vertical, after which it'd fit reasonably neatly in a triangle, but I suppose then you couldn't get similar tumbling action. < 1373219059 935132 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, front-load washers are better < 1373219083 797859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the top-load washers I've seen have had the drum in the same configuration as the front-loaders. < 1373219095 536066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just been a door in the side of the drum. < 1373219147 66941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our old one lacked the "stop the drum so that the door points upwards" feature, so you had to manually rotate it around if it didn't happen to stop the right way around. (It never stopped the right way around.) < 1373219165 865550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Front-load washers are still better, though, because you can stare at them, mesmerized. < 1373219295 412538 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most cheap home washers here have vertical drums < 1373219325 397076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some things Infocom defined but are unknown. One is the "picture font" in the Z-machine (font 2); I have recently figured out how that works and have implemented it in my Z-machine interpreter. However, there are some things that are still unknown. < 1373219399 171367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing which remains unknown is the format of eight extension table words that were never used, implemented, or documented, beyond a short description of each that Infocom wrote. < 1373219500 1938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are four "mouse menu tables" (directions, inventory, frequent verbs, frequent words), a status word which the game is supposed to write to indicate which menus have been updated (I don't know which bit corresponds to which), a button event routine, a joystick event routine, a button status word, and a joystick status word. < 1373219530 931087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unclear whether this means mouse buttons or joystick buttons or what, and the format of these status words is also unclear (all that is known is that they are sixteen bits each). Do you have any ideas? < 1373219683 364584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There appears to be no way to know other than to guess. < 1373219701 78464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, more people who make possible guesses and then see what seems better. < 1373219727 240370 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373219950 706755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have asked elsewhere too, but also see if anyone in here also has any possible idea of what these things mean. < 1373220405 650542 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373220694 495455 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373221111 142331 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373221187 167617 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live, I think < 1373221305 978145 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :may the gods of apt-get be with me < 1373221318 819212 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow feel I'm going to get in trouble by upgrading to wheezy... < 1373221367 280119 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you married yet? < 1373221429 69822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pikhq getting married? Is #esoteric invited to the wedding? < 1373221431 570208 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gnome 3 any good? I'm scared < 1373221615 129752 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pikhq getting married with a gnome? < 1373221817 219421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the wedding logic written mostly in JavaScript? I heard that was something they did in Gnome 3. < 1373221848 276890 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that actually true? < 1373221893 807526 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow fear I'll have to turn on gnome classic < 1373222078 792657 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks way to fancy < 1373222084 342279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: GNOME Shell, the major UI component in GNOME 3, is, I think, largely written in JavaScript. < 1373222112 698690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was the hulabaloo about making JavaScript the "official recommended language" of GNOME, though that didn't really mean much. < 1373222120 986680 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No. < 1373222135 855860 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373222163 475619 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the let's-rewrite-everything-in-javascript-hype < 1373222198 854582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I think they were more about recommending it for new code. < 1373222203 163588 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Well, you see, Javascript has become the universal bytecode. < 1373222232 364341 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please elaborate < 1373222379 869468 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373222464 869696 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see, WEB WEB WEB WEB therefore WEB < 1373222478 65766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think you shoud use compiled programming languages when they will do. < 1373222819 944859 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373223368 574135 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373223418 755943 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is a compiled language < 1373223439 423346 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this trend couldn't happen any sooner. nay, it is just in time. < 1373223782 220972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I think it isn't as good as some compiled programming language such as C. JavaScript isn't a particularly bad interpreted language, though. < 1373223863 347369 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult is this as a proof-of-work? Determining a seed that has a specified feature at spawn (e.g. spawn area covered in lava) < 1373224138 490381 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean... in minecraft? < 1373224151 17258 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's heavily dependent on mc's terrain gen internals then < 1373224152 569545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you folks happen to know if you can fit a letter-sized magazine (not very thick) inside a C4 envelope? < 1373224596 172310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't know. If I had such things I might try, but I don't know what C4 envelope is. < 1373225003 526570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know the names of the different envelopes.) < 1373225019 264965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the ISO 216 paper sizes; an envelope that reasonably fits an A4 sheet. < 1373225078 508388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically, the size of Cn is the geometric mean of An and Bn, while the size of Bn is the geometric mean of An and A(n-1).) < 1373225111 849713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the numbers, I think it might fit; letter is only 5.9 mm wider than A4, and a bit shorter. < 1373225412 551596 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you mailing C4? I think you can get arrested for that! < 1373225502 126030 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373225523 920769 :Lumpio__!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :Lumpio- < 1373225940 80427 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373226107 956283 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373226571 842078 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373227681 943255 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373228782 244231 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373228795 943422 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, shachaf < 1373228851 457691 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made a post about art styles on Tumblr and replied "That's a partially ordered set!" < 1373228858 417968 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame you for this < 1373228918 289252 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf-- < 1373228921 694809 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373228958 591375 :QuackQuacker!~QuackQuac@94.144.63.82 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373229085 461496 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, to be fair, the original poster did pretty much describe art styles as a partially ordered set, and I appreciate shachaf teaching me all that stuff) < 1373229093 628539 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( shachaf++ shachaf++ ) < 1373229532 415039 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \shachaf -> ((shachaf ++ shachaf) ++) < 1373229533 33128 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1373230283 178762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\shachaf -> ((shachaf ++ shachaf) ++)) "sha" "f" < 1373230284 32642 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "shashaf" < 1373230439 767019 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book I am reading is proving very interesting < 1373230693 460791 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For pretty much the first time ever I am seriously tempted to ring up my local bookshop and ask them to order in some of the books from the "Further Reading" section < 1373230704 478524 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the bit about topology I found pretty interesting < 1373230842 800047 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :what book is it < 1373230872 236935 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pursuit of the Unknown: 17 Equations That Changed the World by Ian Stewart < 1373230927 404635 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a whistlestop tour around various realms of mathematics and a bit of physics < 1373230962 198722 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enjoying the current chapter, on the Fourier transform < 1373230985 858563 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373231030 767185 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what topological equations did he cover... < 1373231044 685467 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :V + F = E + 2 < 1373231056 517964 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1373231067 513636 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he wrote it as V - E + F = 2 < 1373231085 466325 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then introduced topology from its proof < 1373231144 517961 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with fourier < 1373231291 522783 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, he introduced it too fast and I wasn't already that familiar with it and also I fell asleep < 1373231298 490367 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may start the chapter over < 1373231323 236307 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep is hard. < 1373231386 516934 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find sleep too easy < 1373231401 824458 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude fuck fourier < 1373231440 410784 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourier's awesome srry < 1373231537 346318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourier's, like, so 1800s. < 1373231573 950008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "and I replied"? < 1373231597 32060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or how am I blamed here, exactly? < 1373231606 68199 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "reblogged and added a comment" < 1373231622 451355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I mean: Did you drop the word "I"? < 1373231623 548071 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you taught me about partially ordered sets in such a way that they stuck in my mind < 1373231639 483197 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, yes I did < 1373231649 815510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, since when did I talk to you about partially ordered sets? < 1373231653 548078 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I realise completely changes the meaning of the sentence < 1373231655 539445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that. < 1373231677 597 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came up in a bunch of other things, mainly as an example of a category < 1373231683 477221 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #fiora, iirc < 1373231689 391241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh, right. < 1373231707 111692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I assumed you already knew whwat it meant, though. < 1373231733 750513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the "cool kind of partially" ordered sets "is semilattices". < 1373231848 479319 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think art styles form a semilattice < 1373231882 802667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1373231908 297010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the poset category of art styles has a terminal object. < 1373231911 809581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely ASCII art. < 1373231958 928501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THE JOKE IS TERMINAL) < 1373231961 196671 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that include an arrow labelled libcaca? < 1373232382 436923 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats #firoa < 1373232415 48535 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some place where I'm an op, apparently < 1373232462 92081 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, katla mistyped < 1373232526 987758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully illuminated ranches of armenia < 1373232529 411502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373233372 174437 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: katla has no reason < 1373233765 654242 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373234163 31141 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1373234166 534127 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373235133 466632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373235135 262511 :Taneb!4e931edf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.147.30.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373236360 977028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you all seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_Through_the_Gift_Shop < 1373236378 746668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty #esoteric movie < 1373236415 929269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1373236661 975501 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can a movie be #esoteric? < 1373236675 281869 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does anyone else in here know anything about quantum computation? < 1373236701 594068 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tiny bit < 1373236761 771282 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that i should defer to someone with a copy of aaronson's book *ahem fiora* < 1373237236 982426 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computation is weird < 1373237322 665610 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :not compared to the stuff #esoteric usually deals with < 1373237754 858461 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banksy directed a movie? < 1373237771 918633 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one do that while staying secretive? I thought Banksy stayed secretive < 1373237990 63960 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, directors are already fuckin crazy < 1373238000 177679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he also has like, his own online store and website already. < 1373238091 711847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nielsen and Chuang is a good book on quantum computing < 1373238114 869173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: when he's depicted in the film, he's wearing a hoodie over his face, and has a voice scrambler < 1373238119 17479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the directing part < 1373238142 19230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably he has trusted associates who know his identity or have at least seen his face < 1373238179 561497 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :..nothing like A Scanner Darkly? < 1373238222 973928 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. Banksy himself. < 1373238223 291278 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot it was kmc who linked, I thought I was randomly bringing up Banksy for no reason < 1373238254 261086 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is this anything like a Mary Sue of Banksy? < 1373238270 380502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean a short story where he fucks spock? < 1373238294 102945 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, who wouldn't < 1373238299 48698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: amazing < 1373238464 679495 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they'd found banksy and he was some boring middle class guy < 1373238521 160293 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring middle class guy pride!! < 1373238523 317445 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373238539 648496 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi okay < 1373238549 361258 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373238807 408100 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373240827 698619 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this music video is made of ansi art. < 1373241016 703016 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ansi art doesn't survive mpeg encoding very well < 1373241136 391290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if banksy did not exist it would be necessary to invent him < 1373242549 814553 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that demo thing? < 1373242550 391083 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb < 1373242557 667426 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the ... something or other < 1373242593 923771 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs bb to check < 1373242635 295590 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, go watch bb < 1373242658 321744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ stops making sense < 1373242678 521738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's an aalib demo program, not related to breaking bad, hth < 1373242679 242695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1373242699 113746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1373242730 857701 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if someone put it on YouTube, although that would be crap < 1373242761 901057 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a video made of ANSI art to show off a library for encoding videos as ANSI art < 1373242784 537315 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aalib might do more than that < 1373242841 416355 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTubed version of ASCII rendition of a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ukhOAUseKY < 1373242876 35639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1373242884 620804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a video of bb? < 1373242923 697189 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Linux distros that don't have bb? < 1373242950 976876 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube is great for linking to Windows friends < 1373242983 270272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made bb run on Windows once. < 1373242995 823377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved Cygwin and a lot of annoyance, I think. < 1373243003 478781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Getting the audio working was the annoyance part.) < 1373243056 677585 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koules! < 1373243062 603311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the name of that game I forgot the name of! < 1373243199 281537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, running bb crashed my computer. < 1373243202 16029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic. < 1373243242 636494 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, I want to be able to play Koules on Windows < 1373243266 823544 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a port < 1373243283 62127 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should port it to HTML5+Javascript < 1373243290 944277 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to say Flash, but Flash sucks < 1373243340 309024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hax < 1373246245 910441 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373246300 907763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: nya? did someone say aaaronson book computing fiora something or other < 1373246307 319735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373246468 350587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:18 < Fiora> bike: nya? did someone say aaaronson book computing fiora something or other < 1373246479 320798 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1373247046 366462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro asked about quantum computing. < 1373247631 319169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373247649 459417 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1373248745 265206 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373249280 629317 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373249682 285325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373249799 901627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373251017 200154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :overheard: "Say what you will about that circus, but I still have a huge hard-on" < 1373251082 78404 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cirque de soleil is like that for me too < 1373251195 119440 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1373252101 220650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373254231 140222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373255338 566696 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373258214 696339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh: "a one-hit pony" < 1373258241 577197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "oh" stand for "overheard" or for the word "oh"? < 1373258308 717755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'overheard' in this case < 1373258384 260901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjunctions are p. good < 1373258435 168025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373258455 68256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh: oh < 1373258585 943985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore is a bad solution to irc problems < 1373258704 136153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you say that in response to somebody i have /ignore'd? < 1373258722 746492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373258795 638534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"06:46 Ignoring ACTIONS TOPICS from is" < 1373258809 460929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move < 1373258823 563234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is? < 1373258909 974822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what irssi responded to your fine command above < 1373258956 708155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1373259530 298512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Fourier is what makes computer tomography work. I keep finding this amazing. < 1373259530 485987 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373259538 351396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1373259567 625113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomography is the future < 1373259576 99566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yestegraphy is the past) < 1373259606 880609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Chirplet transforms are where it's at hth < 1373259665 372155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1373259726 985304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb *computed, apparently < 1373259727 173732 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373260179 421342 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373260838 562989 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373261020 143305 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373262453 31352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: `olist tomorrow? < 1373262505 704366 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate the probability of an `olist tomorrow to be in the range [0,1] < 1373262516 845332 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373262692 266666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd like a smaller range twh < 1373262775 927305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373262807 253560 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,1) is probably reasonable and is a smaller range hth < 1373262819 177477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1373262842 806730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: imo that range is no smaller hth < 1373262874 898834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373262945 335055 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373263139 934308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373263326 844037 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1373263424 433823 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373263427 582847 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you're a coward. < 1373264847 542105 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: See you next time. < 1373264934 178593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373265936 868568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373267677 299333 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373267973 653168 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373269338 56458 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373269455 627431 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373269592 89431 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373269619 118928 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373269692 266617 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373269696 941138 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373270403 269103 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373272487 158098 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373273116 87012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you have Gobby? < 1373273296 705638 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373274676 655490 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373274692 696405 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1373274697 922383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1373274731 211385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should do ion's exercises with Mu and Nu. Learn about fixed points and things. < 1373274776 210105 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember how I said that I was going to read things from the Further Reading section of this book? < 1373274784 652727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Which book? < 1373274801 956908 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no further reading section! < 1373274848 309259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:01 In Pursuit of the Unknown: 17 Equations That Changed the World by Ian Stewart < 1373274852 191363 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 equations that changed the world by Ian Stewart < 1373274856 436759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1373274874 929185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could read other books instead < 1373274953 410699 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the book is cheating- chapter 11 has 4 equations < 1373274972 348946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there 17 chapters? < 1373274979 56679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe only one of those 4 equations changed the world. < 1373275002 652012 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 17 chapters < 1373275026 647486 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Maxwell equations < 1373275054 493150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1373275066 55348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those didn't really change anything. They just described the world. < 1373275121 24259 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the title is using "changed"in a more metaphorical sense < 1373275168 456917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Newton sure did change the world. < 1373275191 633277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it hadn't been for that jerk inventing we'd still all be flying around. < 1373275225 611265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/w/gravity w/ < 1373275234 864567 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton got two chapters to himself! < 1373275277 807222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? jerk < 1373275301 360023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think you _can_ write maxwell's equations as a single one with the appropriate 4-vector formulation. < 1373275320 792171 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fair enough < 1373275370 697662 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I reread the chapter on Fourier transforms and it seemed much nicer this time < 1373275529 368634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, i have gobby. < 1373275548 535933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no one is disputing that newton was a jerk hth < 1373275561 603616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did newton discover jerk < 1373275569 951722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible. < 1373275582 616432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt he discovered acceleration < 1373275595 828410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, galileo had that one down < 1373275607 244106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: if you want we can go through things in it in gobby, if you haven't figured everything out by now < 1373275608 523286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The progress so far. No Nu NatF yet, no conversion between anything either. https://gist.github.com/ion1/5947427 < 1373275650 180710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thanks, i’ll ask you about that later. I’ll let my nephews do some minecrafting on my computer now. < 1373275659 343385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's Blah? < 1373275686 864562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, but it let me define zero, succ' and toInt nicely in the end. :-P < 1373275706 703263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i was thinking perhaps i’d try to define the same functions for Nu as well. < 1373275724 789867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1373275795 299016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you might be going down a misleading path. < 1373275799 834903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, an unusual path! < 1373275801 979338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet < 1373275846 204723 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll get some help from you when i come back, but now: nephews. :-) < 1373275848 721967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1373275856 475166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nephews < 1373275862 352258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you have nephews? < 1373275865 999938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo weird < 1373276172 328715 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373276203 990867 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marconi developed radio on THIS VERY ISLAND!! < 1373276238 75302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the island of ... hexham? < 1373276252 814845 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wight < 1373276259 855092 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on holiday < 1373276327 293298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on < 1373276330 716015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is weird about unicode < 1373276344 31940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AA PLAYING CARD TEN OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 181768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AB PLAYING CARD JACK OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 181935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AC PLAYING CARD KNIGHT OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 182041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AD PLAYING CARD QUEEN OF SPADES [] < 1373276344 182203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F0AE PLAYING CARD KING OF SPADES [] < 1373276354 298669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is there something... comissing < 1373276424 653549 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on. That's an inequality, not an equation! < 1373276470 698167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: an equation is nothing but an isomorphism in a poset category hth < 1373276479 473431 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dS>=0 < 1373276535 664503 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you mean there are 56 and not 52? < 1373276900 528403 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373277035 969893 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, they had to leave already. I’m free. < 1373277052 652252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373277056 429249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :byephews < 1373277128 95674 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, it turns out they have a bit more time. Back to Minecraft. < 1373277155 360991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyephews < 1373277158 303265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling < 1373277457 848503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1373277608 827031 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373277728 231492 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373277917 769011 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373278444 656083 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373278633 352764 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373280063 991662 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, now they left the computer for real. < 1373280313 273119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1373280450 682288 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1373280485 210859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used gobby 0.5 before. < 1373280488 322958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :New protocol and everything. < 1373280562 41531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does it have undo yet? < 1373280571 172176 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently yes < 1373280601 209842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, undo is good. < 1373280663 938826 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unood < 1373280686 242543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://images.4chan.org/diy/src/1373067876565.jpg < 1373280768 170971 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinehq. “You didn't log in in the past six months to the AppDB. Please log in or your account will automatically be deleted in one month. http://appdb.winehq.org/account.php?sCmd=login” Because the SQL row takes so much disk space. < 1373280793 536465 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that means my contributions would be deleted as well? < 1373280934 296861 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373282409 32218 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373283375 258442 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373283513 609114 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373284871 212369 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373285162 537531 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373286134 525747 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373286769 879399 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373289058 764439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Emotebatch < 1373289059 808591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373289064 281857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does shubshub have a new name now < 1373291610 219088 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373291630 270185 :heroux!~heroux@5070823c.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373291646 468979 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373292039 521570 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/fisa_court < 1373293401 423516 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373293552 949324 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373294373 669670 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373294424 902801 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1373295502 919374 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373297119 413298 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373297120 772135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373298740 623266 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373299675 296115 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373299699 483972 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zeozbscqlkcxphde QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373299771 405009 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wonavjmwqjwqylxx QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373299771 555794 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kaopipwgszwjxssi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373299986 45420 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ttzexkhnbdqalchj JOIN :#esoteric < 1373300156 25577 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373300987 943893 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301053 33461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's weird how the way you write a static method in Rust is you just don't have a parameter named 'self' < 1373301075 905394 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301181 278005 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1373301293 177930 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301374 975726 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itlnentpknjmqovs JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301421 70207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301423 986241 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373301752 905933 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373302114 305084 :heroux!~heroux@5070823c.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373302215 328077 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373302801 566933 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373302864 980796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone used digitalocean.com? seems like I could get twice the RAM and disk space and 1.5x the transfer for the same price I am paying for Linode now < 1373302869 238645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me a bit suspicious :P < 1373302923 565906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since linode are famous enough that I've heard of them, it would make sense for them to be overpriced < 1373303004 818751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they don't have IPv6 and I would have to deal with US latency for IRC < 1373303078 615499 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373303121 472037 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373303151 735056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone i know uses this. http://afterburst.com/unmetered-vps < 1373303197 500307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's less RAM than I have now and I think I've heard bad things about OpenVZ? < 1373303214 458678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Tilaa these days, which I've probably mentioned. (But I'm not using it for anything, so I can't say all that much about it.) < 1373303216 179290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I want to move off Linode partially because of the security issues, but I am lazy enough that I don't really want to do so for worse performance < 1373303238 272438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I think I was going to look at them < 1373303300 527882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is hard if you don't know how much a euro is < 1373303336 85570 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373303359 719054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, 4 gigs of RAM for 17 pounds a month? this pricing is weird < 1373303414 74735 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1373303427 182703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi katla < 1373303491 140358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they've removed the traffic restrictions? < 1373303493 849936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that. < 1373303512 223192 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.click2houston.com/news/kfc-threatens-lawsuit-over-hitler-chicken-restaurant/-/1735978/20875398/-/2clb8u/-/index.html < 1373303517 614241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a quota for outgoing stuff. < 1373303540 524667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: c.c < 1373303540 870338 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.c < 1373303541 60909 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c < 1373303545 670334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the extra-cheap 256M plan they've apparently stopped selling. < 1373303562 949618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- since you just can't be very productive with just 256Mb of RAM or 10GB of disk space --" < 1373303570 667328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me but I'm being very productive! < 1373303574 122356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the servers? < 1373303583 993554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere around Amsterdam. < 1373303600 462218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm thinking their pricing is because of DRUGZ.) < 1373303605 891428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373303608 881541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I thought digitalocean sounded too good to be true but this seems rather implausibly cheap even by those standards < 1373303623 620973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they do IPv6? < 1373303627 134017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373303641 956540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the ping is like < 1373303648 646965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 42 < 1373303659 244593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I have 35 ms ping to my server right now < 1373303666 40231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember it being as low as 15, maybe it's the wifi < 1373303670 462188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh < 1373303671 663102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try pinging eos.zem.fi too, I think it should answer. < 1373303676 952178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait nevermind < 1373303683 411590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reason for thinking that thinking it's wifi made no sense made no sense < 1373303702 30275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a latency of 1.28 ms to my server. < 1373303710 945142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm, about 40 ms < 1373303715 462017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be ok < 1373303721 277264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about you let me run irssi on your server as a test :P < 1373303771 276729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, and it only costs 51 pence extra a month to go from the storage I have now to doubling the storage, with tilaa < 1373303819 723614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something slightly weird about the IPv6 stuff... as in, they configure a /96 network for each host, which is slightly iffy standards-wise -- you're not really supposed to have networks smaller than /64 -- but I guess that's not terribly important. (They also assign a single address out of a proper /64 for the server, so I don't use the optional /96.) < 1373303837 51126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the prices don't include VAT. < 1373303841 93829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, well < 1373303848 747925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I want is for esolangs.org to be accessible via IPv6 :P < 1373303855 974286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that wasn't shown very clearly.) < 1373303868 106354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this fancy dutch VAT, or < 1373303884 448553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite recall how it goes, maybe I should look up the latest invoice. < 1373303953 300454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 21% VAT, which I think isn't any Finnish rate, so I suppose it's Dutch. < 1373304004 556477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So it's not *quite* as cheap as it might appear on the first glance. Unless you've got some kind of a corporation that can buy it VAT-free.) < 1373304012 827516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so I would pay a pound extra to quadruple my RAM < 1373304014 954176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty good < 1373304077 78691 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1373304084 47041 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a catch < 1373304103 209374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the catch is I have to use a VPS provider recommended to me by a speech recognition researcher < 1373304116 341128 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1373304120 714526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk if that's worth it < 1373304151 715700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENLARGE YOUR RAM 400% TODAY < 1373304171 65118 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :300%, kmc < 1373304173 625485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 < 1373304180 278583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a VPS version of http://downloadmoreram.com < 1373304196 146940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget http://downloadmoreram.com/server.ram < 1373304196 759173 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1373304223 960860 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISS < 1373304251 263968 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? It might be down. < 1373304318 25755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iss.astroviewer.net/ says it's somewhere above the Atlantic Ocean at the moment. < 1373304321 114060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the image is to scale? http://www.isstracker.com/ < 1373304337 115849 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's up < 1373304345 637072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess it's probably down wrt most of us) < 1373304383 128754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh kmc and maybe anyone else: I linked this to bike the other day but maybe you might like it too < 1373304385 806569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's no moon! < 1373304386 301283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wearedata.watchdogs.com/start.php?locale=en-EN&city=london < 1373304407 704133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a watch_dogs-style visualization of london made entirely out of public data (tweets, traffic lights, demographic data, building locations, etc) < 1373304445 450739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking camera controls < 1373304448 949875 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti- < 1373304459 639113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora's such a corporate shill < 1373304461 731850 :nortti-!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1373304470 266830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I am actually paid by ubisoft to promote their games < 1373304472 140352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1373304479 820359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be .kmz files that put the ISS into Google Earth. < 1373304480 723608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but seriously the game looked really cool okay) < 1373304492 861144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, show it in the software; not files that ram the station to the Earth owned by Google.) < 1373304517 106982 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1373304518 512552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for that important clarification, fizzie < 1373304588 830955 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1373304592 129767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiii! < 1373304618 879453 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope youre having a good day < 1373304659 808095 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I played some kingdom hearts and went to work so I guess it's okay so far < 1373304768 879296 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine that at work you quickly switch between irc and kingdom hearts and your actual work whenever a manager walks by < 1373304785 932270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a BOSS KEY. < 1373304813 535352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in the good old days, games had a BOSS KEY that switched from the game screen to some generic "boring spreadsheet and bar plots" screen. < 1373304821 635968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least one game did. < 1373304836 653692 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, N has that too, mostly as a joke probably < 1373304837 388387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play kingdom hearts at work xD < 1373304859 643471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh sure < 1373304864 316725 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1373304872 363394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.switched.com/2010/03/08/cant-you-see-im-busy-game-cleverly-disguises-your-procrastin/ the first image is the craftiest. < 1373304883 761117 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing game at work sounds like a good way to add tension & heighten the experience to a whole new level < 1373304908 717659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tension of being at work or the tension of playing a game < 1373304910 743450 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, if you play it right, kingdom hearts is basically a horror game < 1373304955 643362 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the beauty is if you do it right they are one and the same < 1373305585 301977 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373306071 484028 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. < 1373306144 517302 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306162 588039 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306255 190859 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1373306770 425982 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgykrscmvaumwbes JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306777 358522 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373306830 394259 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:e172:4909:fd21:f761 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373307325 598879 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:e172:4909:fd21:f761 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373307705 738683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373307958 204393 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373307972 86841 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373309228 747592 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373310455 653206 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373311217 257765 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373311282 716239 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373311285 226221 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7HhYE_ddtQ&feature=youtu.be < 1373311867 514941 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373312021 620450 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373312066 779553 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373312185 664089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: you are GOMADWarrior right? < 1373312200 697426 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373312228 552641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@solidity:~/.irssi/logs/freenode/#esoteric$ grep 186.222.47.192 *.log < 1373312228 703319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-07.log:00:18:42 9/-?/!9/-g ;/GOMADWarriorg 8/[g3/bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192g8/]g has joined c#esotericc < 1373312231 560213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-07.log:00:38:43 9/-?/!9/-g 3/GOMADWarriorg 8/[gbade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.1928/]g has left c#esotericc 8/[g8/]g < 1373312234 579421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-08.log:20:21:22 9/-?/!9/-g ;/asdfasd_g 8/[g3/bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192g8/]g has joined c#esotericc < 1373312237 579611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: are you sure? < 1373312246 251047 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1373312248 45075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also (a video of) the same game you've linked here several times in the past. < 1373312297 968113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: well, because I figure you're using another name so people don't realise it's you, so you can continue using the channel solely to talk about irrelevant things that nobody has expressed any interest in (e.g. trolling other channels, which already got you banned once). your denial seems to confirm that < 1373312330 490067 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant? you're calling my game irrelevant? < 1373312332 919648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have another plausible interpretation I'm open to considering it < 1373312402 772875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's certainly off-topic, which is of course not necessarily a blocker to talking about it in #esoteric. but the only time it has come up here has seemingly been in linking it out of the blue and asking random questions about it that nobody seems interested in < 1373312416 47988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't be a problem in itself, but combined with your other behaviour I find it a little dubious... < 1373312555 359874 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373312562 372091 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373312566 523990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373312698 672497 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373312706 57608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_: actually it seems you are still in the ban list as 189.34.44.144 so I guess you have just been ban evading for however long? < 1373312721 397759 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that guy < 1373312742 147740 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373312745 690281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-06-24.log:07:21:47 ^D9/-^D?/!^D9/-^Dg ^D3/asdfasd^Dg is now known as ^D;/GOMADWarrior^Dg < 1373312748 693584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are < 1373312757 707241 :asdfasd_!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.. < 1373312757 960086 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you're doing it in other channels. < 1373312763 238062 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373312763 692149 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312768 311854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*bade2fc0@*.186.222.47.192 > 1373312768 335091 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312768 462300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric asdfasd_ :asdfasd_ < 1373312776 486406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :GOMADWarrior*!*@* > 1373312776 511092 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312783 89889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373312783 111985 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312786 332187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaay don't evade bans < 1373312793 14191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I suppose I don't really have to ask what < 1373312802 506433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I should ban this nick too I guess < 1373312809 883551 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfasd_ < 1373312814 314816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if another "asdfasd" might conceivably be innocent, whatever < 1373312815 804126 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a name -_- < 1373312816 890639 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwhat < 1373312817 90886 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on... elliott has op? < 1373312819 981704 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373312820 4302 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312826 349655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :asdfasd!*@* > 1373312826 369245 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312828 194737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :asdfasd_!*@* > 1373312828 219128 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312829 658256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373312829 676143 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373312838 906292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he took power in a recent coup < 1373312848 491565 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you banned someone and he used webchat? clever ;) < 1373312857 168850 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you notice oerjan's decaying corpse < 1373312868 864466 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the term "Hamming distance" come from? < 1373312878 497011 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham < 1373312887 775741 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: mathematicians who like to joke about binary vectors a lot < 1373312898 873968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so rust lets you do something like template specialization, e.g. struct ScriptView; struct Node { ... }; impl Node { ... } < 1373312899 157420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Hamming, I think < 1373312902 767950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: kmc stole my reveal on that one < 1373312907 113960 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamming's a cool guy. he has a lecture series on youtube. < 1373312908 576295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which I can never forgive him < 1373312915 484922 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talks about inventing coding theory and stuff. < 1373312924 272715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamming windows, Hamming matrix, Hamming numbers, Hamming distance, Hamming bound, Hamming code < 1373312929 541484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the methods defined in that 'impl' block will only be available for Node < 1373312931 677457 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamming name scheme < 1373312950 406133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's really hogging so many of these names in math and CS < 1373312950 556714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo uses phantom types in this way to restrict what layout vs. JS can do to the DOM < 1373312953 460556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. cool < 1373312975 776670 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike I should watch that < 1373312980 276670 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if I can be bothered < 1373312991 913805 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not realise there was a mister Hamming < 1373312994 794733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i couldn't be. < 1373313004 617544 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too busy watching lewontin *biology solidarity* < 1373313025 209984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn I just realised he has another name < 1373313027 692185 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373313027 714924 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373313030 445105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :Regis*!*@* > 1373313030 468254 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373313032 83708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373313032 106926 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373313036 652837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, trolls should stick to one name. < 1373313067 203194 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FF649D0C4407B30 < 1373313078 930701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, also, i'd like never watch the AI ones :V < 1373313270 300170 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373313278 808988 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373313298 856138 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what happened there... < 1373313311 495244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pinged out < 1373313315 891638 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373313322 68424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pikhq < 1373313382 747429 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone turned itself off... < 1373313435 821622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think of that < 1373313487 75328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't understand what Node has to do with it there < 1373313492 502642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it meant to be Node < 1373313573 969989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :View is a parameter and ScriptView is a specific instantiation < 1373313578 488750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think that's what's going on < 1373313591 493525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just struct Node really < 1373313601 660452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a phantom parameter anyway so it's not used in the body of the struct < 1373313639 340252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373313646 832145 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust scares < 1373313648 100864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should use lowercase type variables!! < 1373313649 193679 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me < 1373313679 769325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered writing a horror story about rust < 1373313736 597310 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I exclusively write action-adventure < 1373313744 231529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :action-adventure-horror story about rust < 1373313750 567795 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1373313761 876379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even "action-adventure-horror" isn't good enough. < 1373313986 473605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373313992 660627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need to have that argument with gomadwarrior < 1373314007 857664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he literally linked it in #haskell < 1373314013 505967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that was a few minutes into the argument < 1373314116 25109 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just figuratively linked it in #esoteric < 1373314118 611159 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1373314183 124909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :set fire to flames < 1373314333 170325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooool http://lwn.net/Articles/452035/ Android lets you map memory and tell the kernel "hey i'm just using this for a cache, feel free to toss it if memory is tight" < 1373314358 211033 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's kind of cool < 1373314377 551585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense because every program ever written has like 50 layers of caching < 1373314418 340541 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madvise didn’t let you do that? < 1373314439 693960 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1373314445 902631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wouldn't really be "advice" although iirc not all madvise thingies are < 1373314451 388352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some way for the kernel to tell you "oh hey I threw away your memory" < 1373314463 94421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a callback < 1373314474 497434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, AshMem handles that with an ioctl that you call to "pin" and "un-pin" memory < 1373314501 662891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, if you unpin it, it can disappear at any time? < 1373314512 626198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: clearly you just catch SIGSEGV < 1373314516 52747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you try to access it < 1373314526 255729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... that sounds terrible XD < 1373314539 820776 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADV_DONTNEED: Do not expect access in the near future. (For the time being, the application is finished with the given range, so the kernel can free resources associated with it.) Subsequent accesses of pages in this range will succeed, but will result either in reloading of the memory contents from the underlying mapped file (see mmap(2)) or zero-fill-on-demand pages for mappings without an < 1373314541 180368 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :underlying file. < 1373314556 653941 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's different from actually throwing it away, that involves paging it to disk, right? < 1373314568 809729 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that but with slightly different semantics would probably work. < 1373314605 680987 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1373314715 265805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1373314729 766008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem that in some use cases, you could just check for the page having been zeroeed < 1373314848 781384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feels like it might be dangerous... < 1373314858 653414 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, let's say the kernel does a context switch in the middle of your cache access code < 1373314864 143337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it comes back, the data is zeroed < 1373314867 511799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373314875 591753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't, like, mutex the kernel < 1373314891 117876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need to load the whole cache item into registers or non-disappearing memory, and then check if it's zero < 1373314902 468825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be hard to use correctly esp. with compiler optimizations < 1373314920 578049 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to load it atomically, < 1373314921 838053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373314923 113058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: Send a patch for lock_kernel(), unlock_kernel() to Linus. < 1373314929 227798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1373314930 729164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1373314948 423734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iopl(3); asm("cli"); // problem solved < 1373314987 732100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iopl? < 1373315077 282776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a system call on x86 linux that gives a (root privileged) userspace program permission to access IO ports directly < 1373315099 562246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes the ability to disable interrupts, for some reason < 1373315129 586073 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373315134 513473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that require sudo? < 1373315148 591901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“(root privileged)” < 1373315168 588437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now! CAP_SYS_RAWIO-privileged! < 1373315172 696065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373315190 563923 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s “root” privileged FSVO “root”. ;-) < 1373315207 652678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagining fizzie sitting in a corner waving a flag labelled "capabilities" while being ignored < 1373315214 644251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there are two kinds of POSIX capabilities: the ones that are entirely useless and the ones that can be trivially escalated to root < 1373315240 227722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this system call is possible because the x86 has separate flag bits for IO privileges vs. memory/other privileges < 1373315253 995610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in theory means you can have, like, a microkernel in ring 0 and drivers in ring 1/2 and userspace in ring 3 < 1373315258 935351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice nobody does this ever < 1373315271 897207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now, OS/2. < 1373315274 401046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the reason that nobody uses rings 1 and 2? < 1373315287 521942 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone still use OS/2? < 1373315290 532623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be because, you should have a system call override interface, instead, it might help better than capabilities system in some cases. < 1373315295 657011 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BeOS? < 1373315332 572340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think it's because most kernels are designed to be vaguely portable, and so they only use hardware features that are common across many architectures < 1373315339 655043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are still people fiddling on Haiku. < 1373315347 657315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen does use ring 1 for paravirt guest kernel, I believe < 1373315348 29711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that counts as being a BeOS user. < 1373315358 177218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OS/2 uses ring 2 for some privileged code. < 1373315360 228781 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ahhhh. so most architectures don't have an equivalent? < 1373315367 376166 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. just kernel and non-kernel code?) < 1373315369 481551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373315431 736025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with x86 segmentation — it can be used to do some cool things, but there's no equivalent on other architectures < 1373315434 287405 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373315439 971396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what surprises me about Haiku is that they like, do actual funding < 1373315443 811649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense, especially given how insane itis < 1373315446 411325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is putting money into Haiku????? < 1373315452 889034 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does... does that mean you can't do, like, Native Client on ARM? < 1373315465 147536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they have some other way to do NaCl things on ARM, maybe < 1373315483 326635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373315489 736772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have NaCl ports for non-i386. < 1373315510 445514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do the segmentation tricks on x86-64 while in long mode either, after all. < 1373315548 901949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Google, apparently. < 1373315557 901285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but why < 1373315569 990542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (They're in the $5000-$9999 bin of 2013's public-sponsors list.) < 1373315574 901521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the harder question. < 1373315603 563421 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m reminded of AmigaOS’ Disable() for disabling interrupts and Forbid() for only disabling task scheduling. < 1373315647 664903 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm remembering OSs class and writing mutexes by disabling interrrupts < 1373315652 265031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and feeling like a very terrible person < 1373315703 724276 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373315735 129575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 disable interrupts everyday < 1373315753 214327 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373315943 23291 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was looking at the new Amiga at the weekend (and also the new MorphOS) < 1373316061 267057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the logic behind IOPL controlling interrupts might be to synchronize io port access across threads < 1373316073 540615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pio stuff could have timing constraints that break if interrupts happen? < 1373316096 556325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nothing else, you could just use your io privileges to disable the interrupt controller < 1373316120 127787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a new amiga? < 1373316216 880534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well you can also have a bitmask of which io ports you're allowed to use < 1373316225 482937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the details but it's pretty janky < 1373316245 876988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the port bitmap is quite straight-forward though < 1373316285 140491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw actual capabilities systems are cool and nothing like the travesty of POSIX capabilities < 1373316302 243389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: @ has them, therefore it is obvious that they are cool < 1373316309 191560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is trivial < 1373316493 648858 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373316981 648585 :atriq!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373316981 799932 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373317001 193495 :atriq!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1373317155 555527 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373317429 536172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capabilities is like EROS, right < 1373317989 650804 :impomatic!~john_metc@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373318038 964075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like RAMAZZOTTI, right. < 1373318047 942363 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373318206 415092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence [["FI", "RAMA"], ["ZZ"], ["IE", "OTTI"]] < 1373318207 367117 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["FI","ZZ","IE"],["FI","ZZ","OTTI"],["RAMA","ZZ","IE"],["RAMA","ZZ","OTTI"]] < 1373318211 748286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think POSIX "caps" are entirely like "real" "caps" you'd find in something as fancy as a research OS. < 1373318222 845367 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . map join . sequence $ [["FI", "RAMA"], ["ZZ"], ["IE", "OTTI"]] < 1373318223 708257 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FIZZIE FIZZOTTI RAMAZZIE RAMAZZOTTI" < 1373318309 633598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's my full name. < 1373318377 351225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect they are entirely unlike those caps < 1373318667 282050 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373318732 41585 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373319598 371706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, I didn't know that. < 1373319641 734872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :til. < 1373319666 114055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goeschaf < 1373319777 61674 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo shachaf and kmc < 1373319820 890170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1373319828 969637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → bike → mozilla < 1373319846 792127 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice being employed again < 1373320005 802746 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373320117 857404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :byeegan < 1373321221 654161 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373321334 365762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hion < 1373321381 923095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the next exercises (kind of tricky) are to write inMu :: Functor f => f (Mu f) -> Mu f, outMu :: Functor f => Mu f -> f (Mu f), and the same for Nu. < 1373321386 954265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe there are other exercises first. < 1373321418 78313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a sort of exercise: Nu Maybe is "bigger" than Mu Maybe. Figure out a Nu Maybe value that isn't in Mu Maybe. < 1373321746 141345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define Mu and Nu and then we will see about that. < 1373321761 973541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1373321768 313527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nu x = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1373321796 344399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fix f = Fix { runFix :: f (Fix f) } < 1373321804 746223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/data/newtype/ for that last one. < 1373321821 814003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean Nu f instead of Nu x isn't it? < 1373321856 1850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, yes. < 1373321865 807416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1373322104 685776 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373322124 508852 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the diffrence :/ < 1373322138 404444 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Nu < 1373322139 81892 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Nu' < 1373322149 213289 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you gotta give a talk < 1373322153 39748 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be the best talk < 1373322167 950463 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373322375 566420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would i even talk about though < 1373322557 664304 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was a whole article about type-level fix < 1373322562 758579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to talk about impossible things. < 1373322576 643188 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic things like data vs. codata < 1373322585 87144 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative vs positive positions in types < 1373322606 650265 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturals via Mu and Nu is not immediately intuitive < 1373322651 312698 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I suppose, the entire talk may well be about data vs. codata, and why it can be useful to separate them, even if Haskell doesn't (or is good to separate them? I don't know). < 1373322719 592303 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though lists and colists are very similar, why you might use lists in one circumstance and colists in another < 1373322735 610038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe someone who actually knows about that should talk about it :'( < 1373322737 907013 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr vs unfoldr. < 1373322742 751584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know much about it. < 1373322802 385538 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that interesting article about solving AST typing using fixpoint types < 1373322879 475807 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373323012 725791 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the difference between Nu and Mu < 1373323035 7844 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell syntax is way too complicated, everything should use GADT < 1373323143 802671 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, GADT definitions of Mu and Nu might be nice < 1373323148 652754 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do they kind of conversion myself < 1373323150 774356 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1373323254 265850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell syntax is complicated; they should make everything to use macros. < 1373323279 707908 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell syntax is complicated, they should make everything use semicolons < 1373323381 329046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glaswegian Algebraic Data Type < 1373323429 360890 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell syntax is complicated; they should replace it with XML. < 1373324617 56919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to answer your question about Servo's user agent: it doesn't have one < 1373324629 527393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting the gordian knot as it were < 1373324644 476514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it just not send one < 1373324647 493894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sends "GET / HTTP/1.0\r\nHost: example.com\r\n\r\n" < 1373324650 227664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.0 [sic] < 1373324660 745104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't that get it filtered a ton < 1373324664 302991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1373324681 577479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it will get through Gogo Inflight Wifi paywall! (sort of) < 1373324697 423707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do those paywalls work? < 1373324702 628625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'll worry about that after I get it to run without crashing < 1373324713 402118 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of curious, I've always wondered < 1373324719 946849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of different kinds < 1373324737 581216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a ksplice blog post about this!!! < 1373324751 919679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/coffee_shop_internet_access < 1373324781 445180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Jessica McKellar who is pretty cool < 1373324786 435193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more recently she wrote a book about Twisted < 1373324791 300985 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads! < 1373324794 160357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the python network framework thingy < 1373324809 201962 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice blog is very cool < 1373324820 229241 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they deleted some entries when they got acquired by Oracle, I think :( < 1373324828 74920 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least didn't restore all of them < 1373324840 563545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they've been slowly reimporting them to the new blog engine < 1373324844 893195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're mostly/all up now? < 1373324853 453821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't hear of anything being censored by The Man < 1373324905 690451 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay, good... unlike when OKCupid was acquired. < 1373324910 825911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lololol < 1373324919 834078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had to remove all the posts about how their acquirer was bad < 1373324927 504957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I believe the Gogo one does a combination of IP based filtering, and HTTP Host: header based filtering for certain IPs that they allow pre-payment < 1373324957 303307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter includes some Google servers, so you can run your own proxy on Google App Engine and evade the filter that way, if you just don't send Host: < 1373324963 875625 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, that is a form of censorship, temporarily withholding info < 1373324971 588700 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a form of time constraints < 1373324996 438310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really cool! what would happen though if you tried to use https instead of http? would it be able to redirect you? < 1373325027 474991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: only if deliberate < 1373325039 883930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just didn't have time to import everything into oracle's shit-tastic blog software < 1373325054 560109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: generally no < 1373325114 371643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky for captive portal operators (and attackers), users ~never type "https://" themselves < 1373325122 875734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it's supposed to work in the HSTS world, though < 1373325138 288595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google operator plays a little ping pong < 1373325139 633013 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBU4Py5cPg < 1373325139 783492 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Operator Plays A Little Ping Pong - YouTube < 1373325149 935333 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1373325466 256116 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373326269 85436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION currently watching https://github.com/mozilla/servo/wiki/Videos-and-presentations < 1373326445 939207 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Servo the best? < 1373326474 69385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet ;P < 1373326485 571402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't gotten the kmc touch < 1373326545 92617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373326643 155382 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yo peeps i found a security hole, the jit we use for fast gif rendering can be used with that css overflow to execute arbitrary assembly code, as long as it looks like Spanish text" < 1373326732 244552 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, it's bullshit that I have to be logged in to access https://air.mozilla.org/fireside-chat-3/ < 1373326758 964627 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for real < 1373326830 64328 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't got time to make accounts or acquire access < 1373326948 198783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a job at mozilla then < 1373327104 885437 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way man < 1373327108 779464 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to liberate the data < 1373327118 407541 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data wants to be free! < 1373327140 455385 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata wants to be cofree < 1373327498 878501 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moos < 1373327566 75249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowpumpkin < 1373327591 942570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyonwritepumpkin < 1373327655 732002 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373327665 754544 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cohi < 1373327756 886270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fun fact: Servo parses images using stb_image.c which the author explicitly says is not for untrusted images (and the Servo team is aware of this, too) < 1373327763 49792 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not interestd in this stupid prorgamming language shit5 < 1373327829 55958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of exploits can you hide in image metadata anyway < 1373327848 112169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffer overflows are common in image parsers < 1373327853 167691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms04-028 < 1373327856 377373 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one? < 1373327894 918097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of image parsers someone emailed me and wants me to make my gif thing good instead of bad :'( < 1373327949 3577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373327950 795716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have code < 1373327972 512205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, programming well is clearly impossible < 1373328005 687847 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image formats tend to be designed in a way I can only describe as "malicious". < 1373328061 745325 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsers in general are hard to get right < 1373328078 778531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, some of them are, anyways. There might be better ones too, possibly. < 1373328079 766495 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DEFLATE is terribad. < 1373328082 174816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you're writing them in fucking C < 1373328094 546244 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess. < 1373328098 584972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's bad about your gif thing? < 1373328131 243957 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language of all gifs, for instance, is likely context-sensitive, and I'm sure many other formats are Turing-complete. < 1373328133 666909 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as used in PNG. Gotta love using multiple endiannesses! < 1373328148 270384 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there, Microsoft Office macros < 1373328149 243163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh. < 1373328150 449510 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two checksums. (sigh) < 1373328203 981076 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm i have to make an xml based bitmap image format < 1373328218 73929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I think someone already did that. < 1373328229 392164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373328235 459976 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shit, even BMP is friggin' awful. < 1373328267 129308 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbm: the only good image file format < 1373328279 841122 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1373328282 630214 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP is pretty straightforward, if you use it in the way you'd expect < 1373328293 133278 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, standing on your head. < 1373328298 486731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I looked and I can see it isn't very good, and it could be improved. PBM is pretty good if you don't need compressed, but even with PBM, it uses ASCII numbers even when using binary PBMs, which doesn't make a lot of sense. < 1373328312 468915 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, also without any extensions or weird flags, etc. < 1373328314 727628 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about xbm!! < 1373328326 808994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, it's mostly just really slow and stupid about things < 1373328341 398914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ping < 1373328341 549397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it could be improved by ""orders of magnitude" < 1373328341 864173 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the best lossy formats involve lots of analysis of human vision. < 1373328344 221936 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow xbm is source that's right < 1373328346 37119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that rules < 1373328348 204765 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I'm not too fond of that bit. Though it still beats most other stuff a lot. < 1373328362 630101 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: katla has no reason < 1373328372 843629 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd never use binary pbms < 1373328377 4188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I agree. < 1373328388 28490 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: BMP is practically made of weird features. < 1373328400 444011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text PBM format can be processed by TeX macros, though. < 1373328400 634906 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbm has always been "that easily readable/writable ascii image file format" for me < 1373328417 471932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was trying to make a panorama, when somehow THIS happened: http://db.tt/LhfMRoNz < 1373328420 363005 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Binary PBM is equally easy to read/write FWIW. < 1373328426 215760 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by humans < 1373328427 989079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it took all images and put them on top of each other < 1373328432 189363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1373328432 340069 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no. < 1373328458 775930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks surrealistic < 1373328480 314841 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory, also, http://notanumber.net/archives/54/underhanded-c-the-leaky-redaction < 1373328482 164077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary pbm is the best < 1373328501 425236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't get that panorama to render properly, it looks just fine in hugin's preview window. < 1373328508 385159 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great panorama < 1373328549 826807 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%201.jpg you've seen the panoramas of hell i hope < 1373328567 685211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1373328572 189687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1373328579 759879 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%2011.jpg ready to run < 1373328591 251490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373328611 95618 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the classic http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%206.jpg doge < 1373328618 72573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Those things can at least be fixed by masking out one version. < 1373328692 927468 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love doge < 1373328708 10859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, in my case it is just the program going crazy. It looks perfect in the preview window. And it in the remapped images. But in the final blended result it just discards the position information it seems < 1373328714 185623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had that happen before < 1373328717 927332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really strange < 1373328744 320105 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0I1KrqT.png :| < 1373328777 150256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, also that "mountain" in my picture doesn't exist < 1373328806 929966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK it may be part of the ground from the 360 spherical panorama < 1373328816 54264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't quite match the texture < 1373328885 116209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the flag is mirrored, it was blowing the other way in the source image... < 1373328923 361581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: No `olist today so far. < 1373328990 925848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm.... I actually upgraded the panorama program recently. Maybe that broke it. Worth trying on a computer that still has an older version. Except that computer doesn't have nearly enough RAM to deal with this project... < 1373329029 275887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up, I'll try something else tomorrow, good night < 1373329074 768043 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla left again :( < 1373329079 325924 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :has no reason < 1373329098 250828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of us have reason < 1373329109 709934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I, certainly < 1373329134 5324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly enough, in many latin languages, the expression "to have reason" is "to be right" < 1373329150 154108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd? < 1373329155 981081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does that mean romance languages or what < 1373329162 499904 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I meant < 1373329166 886015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :today my reason is fava beans < 1373329172 424311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1373329185 266605 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's odd, yeah < 1373329191 312609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly on The Internet i've gotten used to people using "rational" to mean "whatever i, the speaker, am thinking" < 1373329212 310313 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other use of rational on the internet < 1373329216 130212 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rationale < 1373329222 448414 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but misspelled < 1373329307 23220 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :rational is from first principles, rather than just from assumptions < 1373329318 742886 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :first principles are also from assumptions. < 1373329318 893404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I from first assumptions < 1373329322 272505 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1373329470 483795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rational means acting as though maximizing an unbiased estimate of some function obeying the axioms of a utility function < 1373329473 820421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1373329505 712082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought rational meant it could be expressed as p/q, where p and q are integers < 1373329538 10260 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/0. yo. < 1373329544 321683 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and q isn't zero >_< < 1373329568 35844 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that reminds me, i was thinking about the polynomial thing again (without checking knuth, just, my own silly thinking) < 1373329569 695272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there's nothing very rational about the number 2/3 < 1373329594 104390 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong < 1373329611 293581 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a ratio to me. < 1373329616 967406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured something easy but kinda cool, if you want to evaluate say x² + 2x + 1 you can rewrite that as (x+1)², so one multiplication and one add instead of two adds and two multiplications < 1373329625 317392 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that involves rootfinding... < 1373329664 177505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebraic numbers are roots, man. < 1373329672 189368 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sure < 1373329726 402193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but finding them is annoying and all. < 1373329736 86319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tied up mathematics for like. three hundred years. < 1373329746 378947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they're kind of rubbish to represent with floats anyway so that's probably not good. < 1373329749 806271 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes they're imaginary. < 1373329757 578120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem is kind of complex < 1373329763 494965 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373329798 407341 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floats are generally rubbish though. < 1373329827 19496 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, really, representing floats base 10 is rubbish. < 1373329851 925555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm in unary you only have rational numbers even if you invent a "." equivalent < 1373329852 745585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, who does that. < 1373329871 77871 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Most languages use base 10 for float literals. < 1373329881 475339 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right. I was thinking for coomputation. < 1373329882 442753 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0.1" is a very, very misleading literal. < 1373329890 247188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 less so < 1373329892 654006 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hilarious how hard reading floats is, yeah. < 1373329918 274357 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's use CReals for everything < 1373329928 297892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote CReal < 1373329928 448769 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal says: cos(2/3*pi) :: CReal < 1373329936 542257 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers hex floats < 1373329939 635252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1373329942 838463 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just on principle. < 1373329942 988798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos(2/3*pi) :: CReal < 1373329943 924563 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.5 < 1373329944 347534 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for rootfinding it would be easier to just use algebraics. < 1373329976 139112 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos(1/3*pi) :: CReal < 1373329977 69799 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1373329996 204135 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"easier" < 1373330084 494459 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other rootfinding could happen too though. like you can turn any (>deg1) polynomial into a homogenuous poly of the same degree but you need to know its roots. also it's probably pointless and i'm pointless. < 1373330116 554179 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not homogenouous. ugh. < 1373330118 663800 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ououououous < 1373330148 653055 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuouou just need to get back to your roots < 1373330873 221632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373331347 496996 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1373331547 6796 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373331832 881109 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000/51 < 1373331834 128519 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19.607843137254903 < 1373332352 855266 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373332452 543029 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373332850 356215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book cites "Darwin 1859" and "Darwin 1872". < 1373332866 110352 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that... normally how you cite people < 1373332891 922827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's darwin. < 1373332902 929659 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :origin o' species < 1373333021 254918 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1227/1227-h/images/fig18.jpg < 1373333035 761902 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Samba < 1373333040 638915 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should really not be difficult < 1373333111 583071 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that chimp doesn't look disappointed and sulky < 1373333123 166704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks... parochial < 1373333149 151592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373333217 692298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what 'parochial' means in the context of chimp lips, but yeah i don't see how it's sulky either. < 1373333247 527449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to `addquote that. < 1373333290 5553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the last part sort of doesn't work. < 1373333648 244180 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373333779 245166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373333855 861524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1F0AC PLAYING CARD KNIGHT OF SPADES [] <-- hm that's apparently in tarot decks... < 1373333888 76501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a norwegian this is extra confusing since en:jack =no:knekt, usually... < 1373333900 127360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is obviously cognate to knight < 1373334044 874375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Clearly electromagnetism is a sham and radios are really powered by wights. < 1373334045 25196 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373334271 965375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling <-- this is the second time in my life i see this word, and the first time was just days ago. < 1373334415 524437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think it was in a r/askhistory discussion about what would happen if a king (of england, mostly) was homosexual. < 1373334462 234627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1373334463 752669 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373334480 51751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming he avoided hot pokers and stuff < 1373334682 162106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be multiple historical cases? < 1373334693 97970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I "Throughout his life James had close relationships with male courtiers, which has caused debate among historians about their nature." < 1373334699 939438 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i as gonna say, a secret gay noble is not really shocking < 1373334700 127269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... his sexuality has long been a matter of debate. He clearly preferred the company of handsome young men. The evidence of his correspondence and contemporary accounts have led some historians to conclude that the king was homosexual or bisexual." < 1373334722 463913 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he was james six and james one at the same time. < 1373334725 39977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty artful. < 1373334890 424372 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373334900 9126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1hsfjs/what_is_the_protocol_for_if_an_heir_to_the/ it was < 1373335013 371298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why succession is an issue, plenty of monarchs have died without issue < 1373335020 536923 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.... james i's predecessor elizabeth................. < 1373335032 793980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_II_of_England < 1373335042 191963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While Edward fathered at least five children by two women, he was rumoured to have been bisexual. His inability to deny even the most grandiose favours to his unpopular male favourites (first a Gascon knight named Piers Gaveston, later a young English lord named Hugh Despenser) led to constant political unrest and his eventual deposition." < 1373335100 423649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the son of william the conquerer was apparently gay too < 1373335120 226151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Richard the Lionheart < 1373335124 505522 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373335128 684990 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is it actually healthier to go braless?" r/askscience's biology is a bit disappointing < 1373335134 762315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a name like hugh despenser you cannot go wrong < 1373335137 461838 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373335142 378936 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373335235 70177 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you jumped from the golden gate bridge and then changed your mind, would trying to break the surface tension before landing be of any use?" ggggh < 1373335255 353729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a pretty common one < 1373335273 993685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I'd be vaguely curious about the bra one but reddit < 1373335294 549224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "no" hth < 1373335306 566142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3 replies and one of them is just explaining that the question is confused < 1373335316 674426 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *the best one < 1373335358 674215 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: try wearing a unibra for a while and see which breast is healthier afterwards, obviously < 1373335371 623922 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds monumentally uncomfortable < 1373335390 933595 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must make sacrifices for science, and by we i mean you < 1373335391 554166 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a minute i thought that was a thing < 1373335400 953377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it'd be like a giant eyepatch < 1373335408 157223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that can possibly work < 1373335415 49571 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must find a way < 1373335430 997310 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking sharpened hooks < 1373335442 522436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION winces < 1373335460 555321 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure hooks have ever gone well in clothing < 1373335469 458882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you ever seen Hellraiser < 1373335471 725447 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fashion sense, imo < 1373335480 651107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not seen hellraiser < 1373335495 579480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: what about captain hook, he seemed to pull it off < 1373335527 860154 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hands aren't clothes! < 1373335535 669678 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bras < 1373335547 853091 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the aim here is science, not fashion < 1373335580 14309 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fashion is a sciencne! < 1373335586 892388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The first time I saw it was also days ago. < 1373335590 113855 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the science... of beauty! < 1373335600 500193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the science... of not jamming hooks into yourself! < 1373335602 4348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves her hair, holds up a redken shampoo bottle < 1373335603 162232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Someone sent me a link. I assume the occurrences are related. < 1373335617 355633 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his hair, holds up bloodied surgical implements < 1373335629 179127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : er, *the best one <-- let me guess, that one has already been deleted? < 1373335758 367976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe there's a source somewhere < 1373335838 992843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The person who mentioned it to me linked to http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1hgkwp/til_the_plural_genderneutral_term_for_nieces_and/ < 1373335845 751974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I assume it's all related to that. < 1373335866 567184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, research! < 1373335885 886873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half a cheer for oerjan! Hip hip -- hoo! < 1373335903 591321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoo, the new hip < 1373335931 267712 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at TIL, finds annoying psychologytoday link half a page down < 1373335980 781534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why would you look at reddit "r u crazy" < 1373336065 885349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey r/askhistory is nice. and addictive. < 1373336114 759915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit.com/r/u/crazy/ < 1373336184 960610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/crazy is sadly empty. but existing. < 1373336185 111380 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373336335 64885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/crazy looks slightly healthier. < 1373336413 954083 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373336851 43122 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, the niblings thread, not a linguist in the bunch < 1373336870 368298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you read the thread hth < 1373336880 989588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: today the cookie place had a short line so i went there < 1373336912 404125 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ask a rhetoric question hth < 1373336924 476308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: that's r/todayilearned/ not a science subreddit hth < 1373336927 775556 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ridiculous ice cream place? < 1373336930 958921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373336956 131954 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it super? < 1373336986 707740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was enjoyable but not stand-in-line-for-half-an-hour good < 1373337007 690463 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'd think it was better is you stood in line for half an hour < 1373337010 48097 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1373337020 698433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :green mouse and telephone ice cream < 1373337063 456056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: probably < 1373337079 901000 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373337102 197608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to stand in line until you're really hungry, you see < 1373337146 391472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome scyrmion < 1373337149 771241 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08scyrmion: Welcom14e to the internation09al hub for es07oter03ic programming la02nguag11e06 design an12d dep11lo13yme06nt! Fo10r more i05nformation, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/14M03ain_Page.03 (Fo09r13 the 06oth05er 08kind of esoterica, try14 #14es07o02t05eric on irc.dal.ne09t.09) < 1373337158 986657 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1373337164 432997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi scyrmion < 1373337167 269369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome home < 1373337173 453915 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wandered in from the wiki. < 1373337202 620048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373337211 157406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I ended up hosting it :( < 1373337263 294743 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh that always happens < 1373337336 41417 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what was the thing people don't like in Rust? < 1373337360 526779 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to experement with some ideas of compression algorithms that search for a program that is able to produce the original output. < 1373337362 474046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things < 1373337366 2107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more specific < 1373337371 938221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: the thing where all your iron disintegrates after a while < 1373337374 190203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is p. bad < 1373337375 344039 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :about memory management < 1373337378 494516 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boxes < 1373337384 729262 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1373337386 945776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is all about the boxes < 1373337401 403939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: imo be more dutch hth < 1373337408 155749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're getting rid of managed mutable boxes maybe < 1373337417 906548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one place where the borrow checker has a run-time check < 1373337426 520987 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1373337430 815992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1373337437 990448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what cows say in .nl < 1373337445 4347 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo.nl < 1373337448 165994 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is the difference between @ pointers and managed mutable boxes? < 1373337457 503729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ versus @mut < 1373337472 899202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they name those after an OS < 1373337479 334415 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sounds freaky < 1373337506 588175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are they going to get rid of @ < 1373337517 871427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so, blog post notwithstanding < 1373337533 75314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so how will @fn works < 1373337549 370001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo.ts < 1373337559 716421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is @ isn't garbage collected yet, just refcounted, and there's already a library type Rc that is refcounted and way faster < 1373337572 240562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's no actual GC? < 1373337593 95044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct; if you have cycles they don't go away until the thread ends < 1373337607 190257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373337623 69716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm told that @ and @fn don't have much in common implementation-wise; similarly ~ and ~fn and ~[] < 1373337634 315031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is a bit < 1373337635 455033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weird" < 1373337642 694693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like all of rust's boxes and things is a lot to keep in mind < 1373337649 93521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are secretly two kinds of ~: those which point to managed boxes somewhere and those which don't < 1373337652 96689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yup < 1373337664 467466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they sure firefox can't deal with being fully GC'd < 1373337670 331975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you know, there is no .ts domain < 1373337672 440160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some pretty wacky advanced GCs < 1373337702 590819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your ~ contains managed stuff then it has a header which links it into a list of all managed stuff, for use by the thread-exit cycle collector (?) < 1373337713 288598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it doesn't then it has no header (as of, like, today) < 1373337715 788253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the reason rust has all this memory stuff right) < 1373337727 68822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1373337728 586969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know man < 1373337766 293357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to be the expert! < 1373337783 399721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i'm kind of glad someoneis doing "all this memory stuff" < 1373337795 638953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it has its place, whether or not firefox is that place < 1373337824 14235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its place is: outside of my head < 1373337835 727261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1373337868 498796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of odd how a lot of languages are "all about things that" look like existentials, but don't really have actual existentials < 1373337884 371579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on who you ask Servo is either "definitely going to be the new browser one day" or "a research platform for playing around with different ideas" < 1373337906 755796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in struct Foo { x: A, f: fn(y: A) -> int } with A existential instead of universal < 1373337919 41220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they will rebrand < 1373337969 336097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373337969 559655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen ion < 1373337973 566883 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-08 21:17:02: > unwords . map join . sequence $ [["FI", "RAMA"], ["ZZ"], ["IE", "OTTI"]] < 1373337987 759839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :feature request: add "so and so many times ago" to `seen < 1373338006 116760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i've seen him four thousand times? < 1373338022 22010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago < 1373338025 249613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who was the ? to < 1373338029 435854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1373338030 712918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you re: rebrand < 1373338031 242030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hourz < 1373338038 130923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like if servo ever becomes the mozilla browser < 1373338044 266721 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be that hard, just subtract timestamps < 1373338050 853507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would they call it firefox or not (of course nobody knows) < 1373338054 17400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean will they call the browser "servo" < 1373338055 565845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably not < 1373338064 791170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they call servo gecko < 1373338066 773676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's replacing "gecko" sort of < 1373338068 326266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373338070 730006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1373338082 476267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they just give up and use webkit < 1373338087 459658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't call it servo surely < 1373338092 473537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :servo is architecturally very different from gecko, even aside from being in a different language < 1373338096 458307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they might call it mozilla shinynewbrowser or whatever < 1373338102 619475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "webkit will outlive the human race" < 1373338107 657465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that about C sometimes < 1373338134 627126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla softkitten < 1373338146 435051 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait for programming to be three hundred years old so people can read the equivalent of alien victorian biology books < 1373338146 784912 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+kmc: what does that mean? The singularity will be in C? < 1373338175 415738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1373338179 273838 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla is developing the Browser of Theseus < 1373338187 653291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but today nobody reads the books written even 30 years ago < 1373338192 208272 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the singularity will be in notareallanguagese < 1373338199 952208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the singularity will not be televised < 1373338206 46072 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well when i say "people" i mean weird people like me < 1373338212 842652 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am actually reading a thirty year old book right now. < 1373338238 492631 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or knuth. knuth is also pretty weird < 1373338296 523467 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i read biology books old enough to predate evolutionary theory, and they're great. < 1373338350 642583 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust looks highly complicated, like it was a very nice language and then making it consistent/useful involved making an exception somewhere, then making an exception within that, etc. < 1373338350 793171 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many languages in the wiki that only print "Hello world!"... and a large obsession with the 99 bottles of beer lyrics. < 1373338353 408932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur pretty weird imo < 1373338363 161764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yus. < 1373338388 620552 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to read into its design philosophy. nicer than C++, anyweh. < 1373338422 312594 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 11 Appendix: Rationales and design tradeoffs < 1373338423 504143 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric : > TODO. < 1373338458 392049 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373338459 244297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 problem with rust is still those dang braces, sorry < 1373338495 760091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 problem with rust is h8rs < 1373338501 256620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8rs lyk u < 1373338564 951922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yeah that's the best < 1373338570 828192 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't everyone just get along and sing songs together and program COBOL < 1373338588 439774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yes, it does have a bit of that "everything stuck together just so bursting at the seams" feel, like C++, but better < 1373338636 264710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :providing fine-grained control of allocation in a memory-safe way is *hard* < 1373338640 726994 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric : > rust run h8.rs < 1373338656 33909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo get :t into the repl hth < 1373338662 779766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik Rust is the only language even attempting it that has even a chance of being more than an academic project < 1373338668 695248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make the repl fast instead of slow :'( < 1373338670 973317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373338677 986893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows the repl sucks ok < 1373338684 866148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my machine it just crashes < 1373338693 423026 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1373338704 205663 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an IRC bot that runs arbitrary Rust code. that's the fastest way to mainstream adoption. < 1373338704 406409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are supposed to be some recent improvements to LLVM's JIT that will help? < 1373338708 887366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: they have that < 1373338715 921127 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it here? < 1373338718 955937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #rust on irc.mozilla.org < 1373338728 332617 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacre < 1373338747 710871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM has a JIT? < 1373338748 992301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But I haven't seen any Fibonacci sequences in #rust. < 1373338750 687232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373338753 375358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fancy one < 1373338755 893288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot is clearly defective. < 1373338760 493781 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I made the first bot that ran (somewhat) arbitrary Go code < 1373338763 509824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just compiles and loads your code in a big block < 1373338767 657010 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I stopped doing anything with Go ever < 1373338770 41259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like tracing and optimizing it < 1373338778 347337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's slow to start up *and* produces slow code < 1373338785 725623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best of both worlds < 1373338791 55046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the point of tracing JITs isn't just that they produce good code but they start up quickly < 1373338806 171720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1373338808 991436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EH < 1373338828 297330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is room in the world for a tracing jit that produces great code using all sorts of runtime information but starts up slowly < 1373338836 585852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373338840 958066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called java -server < 1373338842 457578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1373338853 806070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear hotspot is "p. crazy" < 1373338856 616046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1373338900 239666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Always one more than you can handle," the water replied. "That's standard operating procedure." < 1373338921 191358 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_killer_whale < 1373338934 654843 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "p. crassidens" if you ask me < 1373338937 29299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: That sounds like an exciting logic! < 1373338952 194356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = True | False | FalseKillerWhale < 1373338953 651665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: ... < 1373338957 404211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: can I kick you for that. < 1373338966 741419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a report on false killer whales in middle school! < 1373338969 258456 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick yes, kickban no. < 1373338972 595720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal < 1373338974 612050 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373338974 701524 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373338975 4348 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, as a p. crassidens expert, yes you can kick Gracenotes for that < 1373338977 224977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Gracenotes :Gracenotes < 1373338978 425511 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1373338979 468236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373338979 492676 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373338988 638139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it ruins my immersion when you join before I can even deop < 1373338991 162052 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'| < 1373338999 606702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was "into it" < 1373339000 456909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is abusing his op powers < 1373339012 550024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I got consent. < 1373339019 409146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you didn't < 1373339032 429258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't read it as such < 1373339038 144892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:02:49 kick yes, kickban no. < 1373339040 994883 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is making some soup later. you can all have it if you come by. < 1373339047 198059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man it must be depressing to be a species literally named for not being some other species < 1373339049 897176 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of soup < 1373339060 235855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda aspirations can a false killer whale have < 1373339066 969460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true killer whale < 1373339067 589200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373339070 64545 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least their name is like, unrepetitive, mister homo sapiens sapiens < 1373339077 467980 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, uh, sausage, jalapenos, something. probably spinach and shallots too. < 1373339084 762674 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1373339087 696969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not even vegetarian soup < 1373339097 885410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1373339098 358423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda sausage < 1373339109 767644 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND BEEF STOCK < 1373339117 51168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes> why can't everyone just get along and sing songs together and program COBOL <-- COBOL camp? < 1373339119 798627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bœuf < 1373339134 461108 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic 'smoked' sausage. < 1373339169 56873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would kmc smoke a sausage < 1373339170 928714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(drugz joke) < 1373339197 481857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's not a dongz joke < 1373339204 149198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the answer is "yes" either way < 1373339218 245970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Fr-Paris--b%C5%93uf.ogg < 1373339242 818015 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, hopefully the smoking strategy for either is different < 1373339246 956348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373339265 594497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpe_KHDEfgw < 1373339296 349085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i realised it could be a dongz joke afterwards < 1373339443 848242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → out < 1373339474 189230 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: go to la discothèque on your way home < 1373339482 104577 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, le. whatever. < 1373339509 197329 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :cultural fidelity < 1373339535 635863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373339653 973222 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not discotech, isn't it, even though that's how i think of it < 1373339658 674769 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cyborg with a disco ball laser < 1373340389 804978 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, rewatching SG-1. I'd forgotton how good Heroes is < 1373340790 129262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373340817 430673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373341386 55096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly anything was said while i was out :/ < 1373341414 504805 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we thought you wwere ging to be gone longer! < 1373341417 512085 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were charging up. < 1373341428 410102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saved up all your witty banter? how considerate < 1373341429 99585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1373341435 239494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa! < 1373341445 310344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :<3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373341462 766231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1373341464 545690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♡ < 1373341465 330704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily run a VM more powerful than my old computer < 1373341469 955755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is kind of getting weir < 1373341471 582400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1373341497 694138 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon, sgeo will be sucked into an unending hole of VMs, like that one cyberiad story that was pretty cool imo. < 1373341517 361734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cascade easily fits on the screen! < 1373342825 429966 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PART :#esoteric < 1373342848 652476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%2011.jpg ready to run <-- omfg < 1373344308 967516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe it *is* getting kind of weir! < 1373344442 845693 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirwolf: a dam that turns into a wolf < 1373344451 741440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1373344733 891460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373345184 619789 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373345244 588427 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373346392 295996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373346909 388093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38, what are you up to this evening < 1373346976 677820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I don't get as much sleep deprivation I won't feel sick tomorrow < 1373347060 911800 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, who said x86 was a bad architecture... the RISC architectures are better but for everything else I have my doubts < 1373347063 637516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know yet. < 1373347081 54076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It wasn't as bad when it was first invented as it is now < 1373347132 753555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the 68k and I'm not convinced that it's better than x86 < 1373347180 975336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be correct, but, I don't know 68k < 1373347249 813746 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other 8bit instruction sets from about that time were worse than x86 and have accordingly died horribly < 1373347258 338335 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6502, z80, etc) < 1373347333 191449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may have been true at the time, but not anymore. < 1373347398 730339 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most vliw architectures have also bombed < 1373347424 298589 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least the general purpose ones) < 1373347442 823836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi madbr < 1373347448 365488 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373347533 408126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: good plan hth < 1373347814 613878 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :68k is even more CISC than x86 imho < 1373347897 196467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you consider the baroque system of segmentation / interrupt handling / hardware task switching / etc. on x86 to be part of what makes it CISC? < 1373347924 978572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem like RISC architectures tried also to simplify memory management and privilege separation < 1373347927 533206 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex everythingbutinstruction set computer < 1373347976 871470 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, forgot about real mode < 1373347978 15885 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373347989 234956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about real mode? < 1373348007 294917 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation is used in real mode < 1373348023 691236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation in protected mode is vastly more complicated < 1373348049 623191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're required to use it to some degree < 1373348061 604747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most OSes try to avoid doing anything more than the bare minimum, though < 1373348065 456319 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but is it less complicated that other similar CPUs with MMUs and paging? < 1373348088 276422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's a lot more complicated < 1373348112 615421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of architectures do only paging < 1373348125 289702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that the MMU for 68k was an external chip o_O < 1373348152 648129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's "kind of weird" < 1373348175 920922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty complicated too < 1373348192 950101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wide Selection of Page Sizes from 256 Bytes to 32K Bytes" < 1373348240 912091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a hard filled TLB < 1373348295 113867 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the x86 also have an extra cycle penalty if your segmentation stuff has an offset?¨ < 1373348303 491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a 3 bit TLB tag!! < 1373348311 646377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: wouldn't be surprised < 1373348323 404675 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it has to do an extra addition < 1373348328 374447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset of x86 features that people use and the subset of x86 features that have fast paths in the chip have co-evolved < 1373348338 346014 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should leave it at 0 < 1373348353 278070 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1373348391 309031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a segment with offset 0 and limit 3GB is useful for safe access to userspace memory from within a 32-bit kernel < 1373348397 253691 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think they're close to the limit where if they have to do an extra real addition they have to add an extra real life because the clock rate is so high < 1373348400 91807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do the analogous thing in long mode :/ < 1373348411 596562 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an extra real life cycle < 1373348425 15092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to Fiora < 1373348485 21305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is a fan of two-cycle things < 1373348490 626702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, aren't we all) < 1373348501 861655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa? < 1373348504 156972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1373348516 775104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sleepily paws around < 1373348538 496163 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paws are for kittens :3 < 1373348584 692606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for spin-lock loops! < 1373348592 187659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the 68851 MMU is only for the 68020 and earlier, the later chips have other MMUs onboard < 1373348606 735632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel recommends using paws to avoid performance penalties! < 1373348609 179845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern x86 is really complicated and so is modern ARM < 1373348630 329828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: *groan* < 1373348643 687224 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern arm is complicated because of all the useful things they put in :D < 1373348656 661095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :water doesn't have much nutrients and that's why it's so cheap < 1373348665 343531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If addition is slow then can you use other operation such as XOR? < 1373348687 775299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: groan? that was meowgnificat! < 1373348689 24715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the MC68851 + RAM is capable of arbitrary computation < 1373348691 63701 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm trying to fit arsenic wells into this, help < 1373348693 387487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is x86 pause like stm retry < 1373348703 445110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a little < 1373348705 985157 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fastest in CMOS is something like NAND < 1373348714 550544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there might be a HTM retry instruction now >_< < 1373348719 296939 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a thing that basically makes the cpu wait a few cycles before doing anything else < 1373348723 935262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah NAND or NOR, iirc < 1373348724 979369 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe multiplexing < 1373348727 350833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't flood the pipe with repeated memory load requests in like, a spin-wait loop < 1373348771 331995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373348772 96107 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND inside a memory calculation would be kinda crazy tho < 1373348778 969255 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps performance in hyperthrading (since the other thread on the same core isn't sharing with useless memory loads) and it apparently has some benefit because of a memory ordering thing, where when the spin wait loop ends, the pipeline ends up being flushed because all of the loads are now invalid or something < 1373348793 730135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what if it just took exclusive ownership of all cache lines accessed in the current loop, and then slept until receiving a cache coherence protocol message asking for them back < 1373348797 735944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be p. cool < 1373348801 679960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not sure if what I just said makes any sense < 1373348822 804768 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that would work < 1373348853 839216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that was vaguely what i was thinking of, i think < 1373348871 483477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the Haswell HTM does anything like that, since I think the cache is used as the transaction-in-progress buffer < 1373348875 670591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong about that, too < 1373349002 644630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think good idea is to have parallel microcode units with Muxcomp (see Esolang wiki), using XOR for address calculation, and then the program will call the Muxcomp microcodes and run everything in parallel. < 1373349083 466701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might improve a lot of things, including, not being too complicated, not being too slow, and your program can customize it by rewriting the microcode, too. < 1373349127 122950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you expect such things working? < 1373349134 517822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you built simulators for any of your microarchitectures? < 1373349143 612227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them sound really brilliantly weird < 1373349154 878250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you suggested using a programmable LFSR to derive the next program counter value..... < 1373349162 193790 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, awesome. < 1373349169 680471 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1373349170 773443 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a barrel memory or some shit < 1373349176 315238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373349184 390583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a drum memory in some absurdly high dimensional space < 1373349195 890298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I have suggested all of various of these things, but I did not build a simulator or even put all of them in one place, unfortunately. At least, not yet. < 1373349197 656282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where your mind will explode if you even begin to comprehend it < 1373349205 594850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it's just basic algebra, not sure tbqh < 1373349209 730283 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic space fungeroid < 1373349223 17492 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird architectures are cool as hell (wannabe neuroscientist warning) < 1373349225 928678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the truth table for XOR is 0x6996966996696996 < 1373349243 337120 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the internet has too few wannabe people < 1373349246 406679 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitwise of the beast < 1373349253 973427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not what i was thinking of. < 1373349263 119767 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: are you being sarcastic or... what. < 1373349265 681228 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: er? < 1373349267 360304 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can only say '1' to that < 1373349278 137942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the Thue-Morse sequence, isn't it? Anyways, that is what you make with the XOR like that, I think < 1373349306 108721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in Verilog using the ^ unary operator on a number, I think would do that. < 1373349354 41346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? that's cool < 1373349374 251408 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a cpu where instead of using registers, everything is based on queues < 1373349378 852790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earlier today I have made improvements to the Fweep and Aimfiz Z-machine interpreters, although now I am not doing that and might do something else, I don't quite know entirely. < 1373349399 110483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: that sounds good for a clockless implementation < 1373349423 605829 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : I'm secretly wondering if some OOO cpus aren't doing that actually < 1373349441 676202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you actually do such a think as queues and clockless implementation though really? < 1373349476 929659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_circuit < 1373349487 547056 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, instead of doing < 1373349499 472011 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mul rdest, rsrc1, rsrc2 < 1373349501 804409 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd go < 1373349514 56618 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mul src1, src2 < 1373349519 309460 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then later on < 1373349537 658085 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add dst, src1, multiply_result_queue < 1373349552 936109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1373349559 286089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't name a queue for the result in the 'mul' instruction? < 1373349573 125430 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would perfectly handle the multiplication's long latency < 1373349583 146968 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could do it for memory operations as well < 1373349609 395477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like VLIW right? putting more of the burden of instruction scheduling on the compiler < 1373349620 965798 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1373349630 278063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that exactly what the physical register file is...? < 1373349634 577386 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the add dst, src1, mulq < 1373349649 289679 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just blocks until the multiplication result is available < 1373349661 724106 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the exact cycle that it's issued varies < 1373349691 596650 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a bunch of separate execution units, each one with their scheduling queues and input and output queues < 1373349711 556131 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's how it already works... < 1373349726 616395 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm starting to think that's how they did the p2 < 1373349817 321488 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373349834 158820 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1373349863 63349 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm on topic < 1373349905 68167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1373349920 399649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Taneb do you want to read a sad stories < 1373349935 40764 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1373349946 751133 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not < 1373349950 225067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373349951 548907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1373350111 109895 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1373350233 877554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TOGA computer would basically consist of a programmable binary counter (although it isn't very efficient, but you can still make any program with it). < 1373350577 522851 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to see if I understand my book correctly < 1373350600 871760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that went over holes and stuff? < 1373350615 946367 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1373350631 161048 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit of a whirlwind tour < 1373350686 962892 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Galois field? < 1373350705 82979 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite field < 1373350732 608189 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1373350743 34251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a Galois connection? < 1373350744 765409 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field in what sense? < 1373350766 675135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: commutative division ring hth < 1373350798 650726 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373350826 948998 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am pretty sure that the field I sometimes walk my dog through that has cows in it is finite < 1373350854 919869 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a field is a set of objects with addition and multiplication defined, commutatively, and with inverses < 1373350859 839074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1373350867 224624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no field with cows is finite < 1373350874 972068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what's-their-name's theoerm < 1373350907 621161 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., {0,1} with addition = OR and multiplication = XOR works. < 1373350937 365075 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, xor and and. < 1373350951 96885 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe both are equivalent?? beats me < 1373350965 992103 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a field in this sense is a ring where addition and multiplication form A belian groups < 1373350994 479686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373351002 151578 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1373351005 205060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a ring where multiplication is commutative (addition is always commutative anyway) and you have multiplicative inverses except for 0 < 1373351014 38069 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1373351014 226588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the except for 0 bit is important hth < 1373351073 503080 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1373351115 159108 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 can't have a multiplicative inverse since it must annihilate the ring < 1373351120 912529 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being an additive inverse < 1373351122 640178 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1373351124 693250 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :additive identity < 1373351137 994195 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1373351162 342096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is sometimes known as "Frodo" < 1373351192 163370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try proving that 0 * a = 0 < 1373351200 738567 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's one other important property < 1373351204 695173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributivity < 1373351208 172628 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it nothing works < 1373351212 778580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but rings have that anyway < 1373351225 623015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings wouldn't be a thing without it < 1373351232 39040 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1373351247 912894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, misread your thing < 1373351269 832879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this place has no appreciation < 1373351285 286465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just that that pun is an old and tired one?? i haven't heard it before < 1373351303 424747 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a pun < 1373351339 902795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote taneb.*cow < 1373351341 660453 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :405) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. < 1373351364 473391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it is not a pun < 1373351429 30235 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see? I'm consistent! < 1373351436 481965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm 0∙a=a is a semiring axiom < 1373351656 598612 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab= a(0+b)= (a0)+(ab) < 1373351725 461494 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab-ab=a0+ab-ab < 1373351760 437005 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0=a0 < 1373351768 468577 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1373351806 207653 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep that's pretty demonstratumed. < 1373351903 970151 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 / recip 0.0 < 1373351905 404441 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1373351934 757941 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> recip 0/0 < 1373351935 704832 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1373351940 534786 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1373352137 591099 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is my favorite natural number < 1373352140 783535 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the next chapter is on chaos theory < 1373352158 143247 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo read up on ICAF < 1373352163 685100 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry. conatural number. < 1373352257 112200 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I shall read up on x_t+1=k x_t (1- x_t ) < 1373352268 903193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logistic map, right? < 1373352278 431793 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sweet < 1373352310 412522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's hoping your book mentions feigenbaum < 1373352326 768824 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373353108 532420 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it did not. :( < 1373353202 283640 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it is on to the Black-Scholes equation < 1373353250 4749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1373353253 69900 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. you could probably write a whole book just on the logisti cmap < 1373353256 738664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that should be named after zzo38 < 1373353268 8324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :black-zzoles < 1373353469 423418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal I was going to suggest maybe X/Y/Z translations -- I've seen those confuse the Hugin fast preview window -- but if the remapped images are okay, then that's not it. Weird. (Also speaking of panostuff, I fiddled together a panohead and took some test pictures -- http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGJ1XdS -- there's also some from the university campus that I haven't stitched yet.) < 1373353469 574374 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373353713 464244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373353957 650582 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373354148 638639 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This chapter is scary < 1373354263 243232 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still black-zzoles? < 1373354272 961024 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1373354649 65435 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to work in finance < 1373354706 617073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are fine ants like fine arts < 1373354743 542483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why are you reading about black-scholes? < 1373354755 650576 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373354774 379056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 2 3 + 10 20 30 < 1373354774 705264 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 11 22 33 < 1373354806 833472 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it is the final formula in 17 formulas that changed the world < 1373354830 345247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is RSA in there < 1373354834 861364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or DH < 1373354835 844597 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :which formula now? < 1373354858 339944 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if they don't go light on the "changing the world" I might read it... < 1373354923 715736 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSA is not < 1373354937 958870 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what DH is < 1373354940 672517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started thinking about how something like TLS would work in a world with only symmetric cryptography < 1373354950 126493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's basically possible, but a huge pain in the ass < 1373354959 15326 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more trusted third parties < 1373354967 477188 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :actively involved in protocols, that is < 1373355008 335373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah instead of CAs passively signing certificates, they would interact as trusted third parties for key negotiation < 1373355021 420464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could still have a hierarchy of trust similar to TLS today, I think < 1373355051 474588 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373355104 69166 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/formulas/equations/ < 1373355155 183872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I meant Diffie-Hellman key exchange, which predates RSA a bit and was sort of the start of public key cryptography < 1373355168 910061 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ni < 1373355184 671554 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1373355300 670642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is diffie-hellman an equation < 1373355361 916375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say it's B^a ≡ A^b (mod p) where ... < 1373355384 922164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1373355410 6618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black-scholes isn't very good either < 1373355439 190950 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the equation for RSA would be ed = 1 mod (p-1)(q-1).. and also mod pq... < 1373355441 658782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ok < 1373355466 744245 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe say phi(n), n = pq, gcd(p, q) = 1? ...getting a bit complicated. < 1373355585 876801 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is: pythagoras, logarithms, differentiation, gravity, imaginary numbers, F-E+V=2, normal distribution, wave equation, Fourier transform, Navier-Stokes, Maxwell's equations, the second law of thermodynamics, relativity, Schrodigner's equation, information theory, logistc formula, Black-Scholes < 1373355590 40473 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so the 17 equations, so to speak, seem to be: 1. Pythagoras's theorem 2. Logarithms 3. Calculus 4. Newton's law of gravity 5. ... < 1373355593 31540 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1373355600 57842 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp. My job here is done. < 1373355605 454296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Gracenotes < 1373355616 293691 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on rocket pack < 1373355617 436839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think public key cryptography changed the world to a comparable degree < 1373355661 559152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the world is immutable < 1373355673 140808 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, crypto has not changed things *that* much, I don't think. < 1373355696 716799 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for civillians. < 1373355709 243000 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :crypto has always been important for states. < 1373355716 491770 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have online shopping. woo. < 1373355733 956852 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously anyb ook like that is going to simplify things, and/or make cuts < 1373355741 134374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could claim that none of the tech giants of today would exist without it < 1373355748 613371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really sure about that though < 1373355758 83443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people don't really give a shit about security when there's enough convenience to be had < 1373355761 87866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself included < 1373355771 495616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373355782 862185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be you would just read your credit card number out loud on a POTS line < 1373355800 152509 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so crypto is mentioned in the entropy chapter, mainly the use of basic information theory in cryptanalysis < 1373355802 21403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: also, bitcoin, but that's more of a future-potential thing < 1373355811 340962 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of curious how the logistic map is world-changing < 1373355838 499677 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why a bunch of servers couldn't use fancy https < 1373355840 318872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373355840 469379 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of any applications for it other than maybe ecology < 1373355850 711622 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's kind of a stretch. < 1373355859 264444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373355860 479993 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, he used it to introduce chaos theory < 1373355862 848014 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: logistic map? I'd have thought basic arithmetic, a la Napier < 1373355869 840496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp i killed irssi somehow < 1373355881 215550 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: ...what? < 1373355882 336261 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, nevermind, conflated with logarithms. < 1373355889 502466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably by banging on the keyboard like a stoned idiot < 1373355896 417624 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I imagine chapter 2 is about. neverminds. < 1373355914 458644 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what world-changing appliations chaos theory has had either honestly :P < 1373355923 231329 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as exciting as staring at double pendulums is < 1373355932 473685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever looked at a fractal, on acid < 1373355944 616188 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I have. < 1373355954 347567 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want a bong that's a double pendulum < 1373355968 486127 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I tried but it dissolved < 1373355969 39086 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't even make sense < 1373355974 166200 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd imagine xaos would be pretty fun. < 1373355985 153662 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an inverted pendulum bong < 1373355986 659469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the suggestion :) < 1373355995 115095 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have ot balance it on my head < 1373356009 203459 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :xoas is just generally fun to zoom into < 1373356023 680960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've seen electric sheep, right? < 1373356026 553522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not interactive < 1373356066 402855 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :have not < 1373356081 829797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.electricsheep.org/ < 1373356128 996389 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in xaos, just set the zoom speed really high and try to avoid 'boring' (non-recursive) areas < 1373356134 82641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper about how they're rendered is cool too http://flam3.com/flame.pdf < 1373356135 221984 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do that a lot... good way to waste time < 1373356140 581323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :xaos++ < 1373356158 609256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, xaos ~~ "chaos"?? < 1373356163 73581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1373356164 671992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowai < 1373356180 626050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ve always pronounced each letter < 1373356197 855146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :χaos < 1373356215 948351 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you do it on something like Barnsley, it's like falling with a lot of bars in the way < 1373356305 616783 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be considered rude to email the author asking for further reading? < 1373356315 46124 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1373356320 409827 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bibliography, though? < 1373356328 844251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what are some good channels i'm not in < 1373356351 433521 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas no < 1373356353 61265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably lurk in ##electronics again, that was pretty great < 1373356354 882009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell (goodness joke) < 1373356358 766786 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bibliographies are like the best parts of books because there's a billion more books in them < 1373356366 971059 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics? is it actually about electronics < 1373356375 298702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that #haskell is often not that good :'( ) < 1373356377 497857 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the cites are always all over the place < 1373356386 415774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still like the highs of #haskell though!! < 1373356391 994534 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my awesome new book on neural development cites hayek, the economist < 1373356392 473100 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373356400 705296 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well FINE jerk < 1373356427 904021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: electronics + misc mad science < 1373356457 680001 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The natural concept tree: a study of learning in pigeons" pigeons clearly don't get enough credit < 1373356467 160797 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronics iss cool and i don't know shit about it etc etc < 1373356481 618892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: then how come http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html < 1373356486 216161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so join < 1373356495 583010 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1373356498 434729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i'm in ##electronics now < 1373356517 790026 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ##tea < 1373356523 128937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens there < 1373356523 457034 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like tea < 1373356525 919101 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+whatevermeansyoucan'ttagwithoutnickserv < 1373356527 416482 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :People talk about tea < 1373356537 814506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: do you like the iso standard kmc is about to give the number for < 1373356540 296696 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :People make snarky comments about tisanes sometimes for no reason. < 1373356550 835987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 3103 < 1373356585 853007 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will lol if it's three-phase" yeah this is pretty good < 1373356595 883291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had tea with Gracenotes once < 1373356600 800406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was p. good < 1373356628 254215 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, although I didn't make it < 1373356628 656748 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i don't like about bibliographies in books is they don't have the backreferences to where they're cited, like wikipedia articles do < 1373356631 656937 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1373356634 597795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCing while working with high voltage: the best < 1373356638 644589 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about, like gaiwans and stuff though < 1373356644 73519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1373356659 785050 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 3103 is controversial in its cultural imperialism < 1373356689 801933 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I saw "Ca⁺⁺" and thought it was something about programming, time to sleep < 1373356751 891183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: fair point < 1373356815 225125 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373356843 261987 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many options in xaos that are just for screwing with your mind < 1373356853 906719 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth color palette cycling, rotation, autozoom < 1373356864 582416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"soviet bcd to decimal decoders" this is fantastic kmc < 1373356874 432432 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the fuck is going on < 1373356885 752824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i be in ##electronics < 1373356890 460109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be there but then i left < 1373356894 727634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope i have made your day just a little bit more cyberpunk < 1373356936 228969 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can get into BEAM through this somehow < 1373356942 502151 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes on there? < 1373357029 498250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could also give a talk at the mountain view haskell thing < 1373357037 383159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1373357039 760653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is next week < 1373357047 640970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could go see conal's talk < 1373357054 333966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's conal's talk < 1373357080 22623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless other offers surface, Conal will give a talk. Some possible topics: top-down vs bottom-up data structures, memoization, automatic differentiation, denotational semantics, circuit timing via linear algebra. If you have a talk offer or request, please chime in. < 1373357090 408591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good stuff < 1373357099 279186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :conal is p. great < 1373357107 388564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if people would like a "Rust for Haskell programmers" talk < 1373357112 987001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not qualified to give one yet, though < 1373357117 192716 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, all of those < 1373357120 126397 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1373357121 731347 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1373357126 607469 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dickhealth.org/post/52887357182/my-dick-looks-like-a-perilous-thicket-of-briers aaaaand gone < 1373357156 434473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why should you let that stop you < 1373357369 747750 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Goodbye tilde < 1373357930 6309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8 fps... 2.15 fps < 1373357933 568170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. < 1373357940 174756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't use the IRC input line for notes.) < 1373358278 585525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: D: < 1373358838 925265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *MWAHAHAHA* we know your secret notes! < 1373358865 488595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is this mad science < 1373359376 424166 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373359830 222463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just fiddling with gstreamer; I've always wanted to take a time-lapse picture of something, but my camera doesn't know how to do that; realized the other day that the N900 has a passable camera, and can be controlled programmatically. < 1373359918 500587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fCXS seems to work nicely for capturing one 1080p-sized frame per second over wifi. (JPEG'd, unfortunately; raw frames are too big for the TCP part.) < 1373360126 485417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gunna" be the most exciting video on the YouTubes for sure https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130709-frame00000000.jpg < 1373360175 814849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In some frames... there's... a car...) < 1373360215 106241 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373360543 935744 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373360652 925712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, my video camera started ringing. :/ < 1373360774 466929 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373360809 544659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130709-frame00000963.jpg -- apparently taking a picture and vibrating aren't really supposed to be done simultaneously. < 1373360812 972510 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361121 408946 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361121 604413 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361121 905470 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361122 56233 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361122 446507 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361122 960620 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361123 107224 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361123 996186 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361124 300321 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361125 332031 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361125 568467 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361126 214160 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361127 47721 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361129 89803 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 425715 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 602560 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 753130 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 753201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361232 548681 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361268 524611 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 213052 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wtanxjtchlqwuaus JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364653 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364800 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364915 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364991 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365067 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365145 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365297 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365371 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361485 165017 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wtanxjtchlqwuaus NICK :Guest26607 < 1373363939 62764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373364061 838519 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373364810 436539 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373364972 152885 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373365864 245870 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373365874 236608 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, again < 1373365960 530432 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanello < 1373366069 326296 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTello < 1373366094 711175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373366162 458573 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what was that thingy that ion was working on < 1373366186 946233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latër < 1373366196 139363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu/Nu/etc.? < 1373366232 921173 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps! < 1373366234 467246 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1373366256 724321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are these types Mu/Nu/Fix. < 1373366285 176206 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1373366285 656970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all equivalent, in Haskell. The exercises were to write mu2nu and so on, and figure out some things about them. < 1373366307 636349 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me definitions of the types and I will give it an independent go? < 1373366326 395221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Fix f = Fix { runFix :: f (Fix f) } < 1373366336 935827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1373366347 94283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nu f = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1373366366 395567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the exercises are, uh... < 1373366381 667735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write mu2nu etc. < 1373366415 130062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu Maybe/Nu Maybe = Nat, more or less. Without using recursion or Nat, write muZero, muSucc, muToInt, nuZero, nuSucc, etc. < 1373366456 996372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out what the differences (and the similarities) are between Mu Maybe and Nu Maybe. < 1373366465 796478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, there was something else I was going to say. < 1373366468 280751 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have a syntax highlighter on this computer... < 1373366476 766617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have ghci? < 1373366479 663046 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1373366491 391558 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my computer, I wouldn't feel right installing it < 1373366501 728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get ghci somehow. < 1373366502 455259 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mu2fix (Mu r) = r Fix < 1373366503 867759 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373366527 835473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1373366543 738598 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373366622 591985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: Write inMu :: Functor f => f (Mu f) -> Mu f, and similarly for outMu, inNu, outNu < 1373366657 485847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Easy version: Write inFix and outFix.) < 1373366690 861750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove that Mu F and Nu F are fixed points of F (tricky). < 1373367026 697363 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix2mu (Fix f) = Mu $ \r -> r $ flip (runMu . fix2mu) r <$> f < 1373367027 477279 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373367122 831561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it type-checks then I guess so? < 1373367130 418990 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it typechecks! < 1373367140 744847 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1373367141 777984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It type-checks. < 1373367150 840990 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some idea whether it type-checks or not < 1373367153 723527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks reasonable. < 1373367167 500973 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm just doing this in Notepad and my brain < 1373367203 693213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ghci > brain hth < 1373367383 580184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373367634 342120 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373367657 263084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373367727 949507 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373367817 670739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373368115 202016 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix2nu f = Nu f runFix < 1373368129 25850 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using School of Haskell to test my code now) < 1373368138 131062 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that compiles but feels weird...) < 1373368169 396899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirder than: mu2fix m = runMu m Fix ? < 1373368180 891792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks exactly dual to me. :-) < 1373368311 357692 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not used to existential quantification < 1373368316 241381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty weird. < 1373368326 642116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's actually not weird. < 1373368342 418951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's weird when you're not used to it. < 1373368502 654146 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373368581 279621 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to say mu2nu = fix2nu . mu2fix ? < 1373368626 794287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I guess. Or you're allowed to to inline them. < 1373368637 449000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also possible to write mu2nu without the Fix type, but trickier. < 1373368662 175152 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chasles applied to haskell function composition? < 1373368685 394903 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way round introduces a functor constraint which I do not know whether it is necessary or not < 1373368718 459372 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it, it seems necessary? < 1373368810 723073 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, Ian Stewart's personal webpage looks very 1997 < 1373368816 203222 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/index.htm < 1373368836 111066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems necessary. < 1373368886 448593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cata :: Functor f => (f a -> a) -> Fix f -> a < 1373368909 76496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ana :: Functor f => (a -> f a) -> a -> Fix f < 1373368949 719335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hylo :: Functor f => (f b -> b) -> (a -> f a) -> a -> b < 1373368958 114998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These functions should seem familiar. < 1373368967 784361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the "hard" directions. < 1373369563 960717 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373369669 750141 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373369770 734295 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373369958 916924 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have gone wrong somewhere < 1373369969 668169 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print $ muToInt $ muSucc $ muSucc $ muSucc muZero < 1373369970 721725 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1373369970 919180 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `muToInt'Not in scope: `muSucc'Not in scope: `muSucc'Not in s... < 1373369977 288791 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush, lambdabot < 1373370021 214737 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems I've written "double and add one" instead of succ < 1373370075 876475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. < 1373370105 953324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might help -- especially with Nu -- to write one, two, etc. yourself before writing succ. < 1373370117 945590 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing that with Mu < 1373370192 680598 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, got it working this time < 1373370238 494366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can also write the isomorphism between Mu Maybe and newtype Nat = Nat { runNat :: forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a }, if you feel like it. < 1373370243 170147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's pretty straightforward.) < 1373370510 510248 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373370515 386095 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371047 383190 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371089 248399 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373371353 751709 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373371417 634284 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371685 654137 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373371770 401961 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371784 329261 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373371804 875732 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371836 481826 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373371866 993966 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373372131 427757 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373372749 995453 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373372923 373432 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373374223 628761 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1373374332 856730 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373374455 963896 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373376062 173693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything that can simulate having additional latency on a network connection? < 1373376076 692565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to be able to see for myself how much e.g. some additional ping would affect irssi in mosh < 1373376172 239723 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, if you run your stuff in virtualbox, there are options to simulate lag and packet drop in vbox's network config. < 1373376238 631714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1373376249 943736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could like proxy mosh through a virtualbox with a simulated bad internet connection :p < 1373376277 71752 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something convoluted and hackish like that, yes. < 1373376413 6376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two ssh tunnels < 1373376493 923421 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373376782 370545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux's traffic shaping layer has the "netem" module for that, but it's probably not the most user-friendly way. < 1373376813 626604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem "This is the simplest example, it just adds a fixed amount of delay to all packets going out of the local Ethernet. [[ tc qdisc add dev eth0 root netem delay 100ms ]]" < 1373376819 747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not so hard, after all. < 1373376827 921932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I figured out why Tilaa's pricing was so absurd: I'm paying $20/mo now, but I was converting the euro prices to GBP and going "ooh, it's 20, like I'm paying now". < 1373376883 476738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1373376893 234000 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: netem's not hard, just complex, and a powerful timewaster where you can tweak your day away and not notice anything. < 1373376918 643907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: I have just successfully captured a three-and-a-quarter hour video (6 minutes, 28 seconds at 30 fps) of the view from the window of this office. It is MOST EXCITING. < 1373376975 571798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess I should take another look at hetzner < 1373376979 406906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tilaa's prices are still good < 1373376990 448411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I humbly request that you shall provide me with this EXCITEMENT you are talking about. < 1373377029 234730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't do it. he's just trying to deduce your coordinates and body weigh. < 1373377152 67343 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no need for deduction, I already have them. < 1373377172 433854 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that reminds me, I should calligraphy and frame the list. it truly is a work of art and beauty and weigh) < 1373377311 115518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My coordinates are $$\bf{0}$$. < 1373377516 67873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably upload it to YouTube, I'm sure I'd win it. < 1373377570 649174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373377646 820803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: your coordinates are nearly as creativuseless as elliot's were. < 1373377657 480893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First, though; home.) < 1373377670 50140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: two ts!!!!! < 1373377677 489361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorrytt. < 1373378316 40569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can UMLBox do "read access to this directory but write access to this single filename in it (that may or may not exist)"? < 1373378435 109964 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, its permissions are based on mounts so are only at the directory level. < 1373378493 738601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, blah < 1373378498 111910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could do it with a unionfs of some kind? < 1373378591 6134 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? >_> < 1373379072 769782 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373379786 561767 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373379809 912261 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373380863 394276 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373380996 254599 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373381180 959626 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373381391 443177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0w8rDXZohA if you can HANDLE IT. < 1373382064 575744 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the TREES are nice, as are the DOGS. < 1373382556 877102 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland is cute < 1373383199 480315 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373385258 502510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's gonna "go viral". I understand that happens when you upload to the tube. < 1373385418 451282 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I want to be infected by that. < 1373385496 931455 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome our new Finnish overlords. < 1373385501 411733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you get booted from irc.mozilla.org? < 1373385513 622037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did shachaf overdo the monoids jokes < 1373385555 247932 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373385620 937938 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://medium.com/surveillance-state/a6e0e5fca935 < 1373385632 866000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love monoid jokes. They are so easy. < 1373385665 618789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373385667 423318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re link < 1373385998 503206 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373386399 243444 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid jokes? what is it? < 1373386431 41352 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I find they typically lack depth < 1373386732 516666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah you can use netem, or keithw's thing http://alfalfa.mit.edu/ < 1373386740 939823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes an actual trace of delivery times on a cell network and replays it < 1373386777 885925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspect I'm out of luck being stuck on OS X < 1373386783 930519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I do the hideous virtualbox solution < 1373386969 926237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a LD_PRELOAD or whatever the OS equiv is that just slows down network calls < 1373386972 934700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X equiv* < 1373387083 499667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point it becomes easier to spend the $20 on a month's service so I can just test it :P < 1373387256 400197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's the hack value in that < 1373387284 316574 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to test a high latency connection, you should use a service that charges $5 < 1373387316 963049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, I am a hack. < 1373387448 65728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the rust language meeting < 1373387509 757707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you told them it's weird as heck yet < 1373387515 376305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are discussing whether to continue to use linked lists of small bits of memory as a stack < 1373387562 980715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaghetti stack type stuff? < 1373387569 189191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1373387584 28867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whine whine conflation of language and implementation whine whine that I don't actually have the heart to care about < 1373387593 284424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the rust implementation meeting too ;P < 1373387610 766819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have them in separate buildings < 1373387616 335093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to be decontaminated to pass between them < 1373387619 997629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it might end up in the language because when you call a C function it needs to give you a big contiguous stack, and there will be an annotation to say how much you want < 1373387625 600128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no bringing in materials from one to the other < 1373387627 818793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether to do it earlier than necessary < 1373388290 245874 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373388319 321849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do they actually need to set up a full stack for C FFI < 1373388381 819310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your C function wants some stack < 1373388390 792413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to call the magic __morestack function or whatever < 1373388400 884745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jsvine < 1373388408 718221 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc! < 1373388432 275359 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few weeks of being distracted by another project, I'm back on #esoteric < 1373388445 404923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is only really a problem on 32-bit; on 64-bit you can just allocate 2MB of address space per stack and let the VM subsystem fill in pages as needed < 1373388469 467481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh I see, it is not that the stack gets filled in with entries corresponding to rust < 1373388475 991377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they really care about 32-bit :p < 1373388477 136265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373388484 668247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, because Servo is supposed to be a mobile browser too < 1373388494 562792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mobile is going to be 32-bit for a while yet < 1373388498 932751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, like, I thought you meant that they'd allocate a stack for C FFI and then fill it with entries corresponding to rust call frames. < 1373388501 928513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason. < 1373388506 374971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1373388518 30629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, isn't RAM in phones pushing 1-2 gigs now? < 1373388527 295274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they can just do PAE type stuff for a long while < 1373388539 549664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373388549 464157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phones have a lot of processes running < 1373388565 143038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it'll be a while yet before low-end phones have >4 GB < 1373388576 739471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373390632 24920 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Killed (cameron.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1373390639 900462 :Guest6451!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373390641 110078 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373390688 892273 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373390844 252463 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373390874 911526 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was quietly, randomly "fortune -a"ing, and once again I stumbled upon a very short and mysterious message: < 1373390876 521438 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I got stuck and wandered off < 1373390884 584699 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Mene, mene, tekel, upharsen.” < 1373390918 674791 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here has an idea about its meaning? < 1373390946 255321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOM. < 1373390953 366737 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds German? Possibly Yiddish? < 1373390972 461693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ The expression originates from the Book of Daniel, Chapter 5, from the handwriting on the wall that was witnessed at a banquet hosted by king Belshazzar. As those at the feast profaned the sacred vessels pillaged from the Jerusalem Temple, a disembodied hand appeared and wrote on the palace wall the words, "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin". The prophet Daniel was summoned and interpreted this ... < 1373390978 951974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... message as the imminent end for the Babylonian kingdom. That night, Belshazzar was killed and the Persians sacked the capital city. ]] < 1373390988 671672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have looked this up for a different place where it was referred to. Bored of the Rings, perhaps.) < 1373391011 865364 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/09/0052211/sent-to-jail-because-of-a-software-bug?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt < 1373391015 86428 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate says it's Norwegian. it's biblical enough for me. < 1373391037 752065 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Believe, believe, Tekel, upharsin.» < 1373391078 978709 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya gotta believe me, Tekel, they be upharsin', I tell ya! < 1373391079 679332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%205:25&version=KJV < 1373391141 75171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe upharsin is Old Norse for "fternooner". < 1373391165 734853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[26] This is the interpretation of the thing: /Mene/; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. [27] /Tekel/; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. [28] /Peres/; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians." -- also the translation. < 1373391203 232297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why it's "Peres" when it was "Upharsin" just three verses up, but I'm sure it's some kinda language thing. < 1373391222 997677 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the etymology of "doona", as in the Australian-English synonym of duvet? < 1373391274 660651 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a brand name < 1373391315 230267 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Scandinavian "dyna"? < 1373391481 953739 :Guest6451!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1373391495 270481 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! (I am easily distracted) < 1373391502 328315 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, that is a stupid idea < 1373391510 636981 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Guest6451 < 1373391592 592850 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait! It is a less stupid idea than I previously thought! < 1373391606 892032 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty stupid, though < 1373391613 500051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION distractingly pokes Taneb < 1373391625 382285 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373391627 625300 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using different colours to compress memory! < 1373391652 692147 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar oh god I am on holiday and do not know the nearest airport < 1373391653 159594 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1373391661 185723 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you? < 1373391693 547861 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGHN < 1373391694 14148 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1373391703 165934 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isle of Wight < 1373391704 961764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNH < 1373391705 437993 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNH 091720Z 30007KT CAVOK 21/14 Q1027 < 1373391745 543856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGHJ < 1373391745 938289 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1373391754 639825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. both wightian airfields aren't listed... < 1373391755 534746 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isle of Wight/Sandown airport is closest < 1373391777 373738 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send an angry message to the metarthorities < 1373391804 242595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to implement multiple metarsources. < 1373391849 344432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGHI < 1373391849 793232 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGHI 091720Z 03009KT 360V070 CAVOK 24/08 Q1025 < 1373391911 765692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wunderground puts you in Southampton when searching for EGHN. < 1373391921 497845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373392012 234610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-80-15.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373392055 623070 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, Southamption is about as close to the Isle of Wight you can get without actually being on the Isle of Wight or a boat or getting quite wet < 1373392303 974905 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373392398 401033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-80-15.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373392413 952852 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite series of rhymes involving areas of Britain is "All those angry letter writers / Like disgusted from the Isle of Wight and / Mad from Hull, and outraged from Leeds / And slightly annoyed from Berwick-on-Tweed" < 1373392469 463775 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and/or/ if you like feminine half-rhymes. < 1373392510 198679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373392545 439895 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a Hull in Québec, but it was assimilated into Gatineau / Ottawa. < 1373392591 248735 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373393236 248946 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373394016 219098 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373394029 709196 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1373394151 263179 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373394630 320088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: oh yeah? yeah about what? < 1373394900 989721 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1373394968 7753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, it's beaky < 1373395102 247465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1373395303 184859 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics < 1373395322 637293 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's saying sentences that seem to convey information!! shocking < 1373395353 592082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard about soldering iron aventures < 1373395354 137643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad < 1373395455 720969 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373395900 988000 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to read it < 1373395999 397545 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373396033 6686 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373396065 65245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what < 1373396098 943700 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373396299 505901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373396299 734594 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the recent sightings of bumper stickers reading "IN CASE OF RAPTURE, THIS < 1373396299 885395 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VEHICLE WILL BE UNMANNED" have created a great deal of confusion, Fortune < 1373396299 885588 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offers the following excerpts from the 1989 printing of the State of Maryland < 1373396299 885698 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driver's Handbook: < 1373396299 885804 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you notice a glorious light in the sky, a sound as of an infinite < 1373396300 371784 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choir of unearthly voices, and a host of winged beings descending from the < 1373396300 522704 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavens, do not panic. If you are on the freeway, move to the shoulder as < 1373396301 364270 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon as it is safe to do so, activate your hazard blinkers, and wait for the < 1373396301 514693 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of the world. If you are Saved, it is especially important that you do < 1373396302 381810 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this BEFORE you are carried to your Eternal Reward, in order that your vehicle < 1373396302 532578 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not become a hazard to others. Remember, Rapture is the number one cause of < 1373396303 354921 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automobile accidents during major spiritual upheavals. You may experience a < 1373396303 505301 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling of discorporation ("being pulled from one's body") while driving. To < 1373396304 385114 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensure the safety of your passengers and other drivers, move to the shoulder < 1373396334 316756 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! I hit a flood! < 1373396342 231468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373396342 508944 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One planet is all you get. < 1373396348 919283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373396355 880938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck help < 1373396356 295837 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help is any form of assistance. < 1373397275 469620 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: katla has no reason < 1373397591 764011 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373397592 50458 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real trouble with women is that they have *all* the pussy. < 1373397680 85242 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1373397715 458874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia................. < 1373397735 800614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no....... < 1373397737 140708 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373397738 182416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks his bot with a rolled newspaper. "bad bot" < 1373397740 975351 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that supposed to mean < 1373397741 331758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373397741 561515 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pig: An animal (Porcus omnivorous) closely allied to the human race by the < 1373397741 712281 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :splendor and vivacity of its appetite, which, however, is inferior in scope, < 1373397741 862618 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it balks at pig. < 1373397741 862696 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Ambrose Bierce < 1373397742 821296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it always -o? < 1373397753 579423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, it's -a. < 1373397802 930332 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the ones with the uppercase words < 1373397807 544985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hZWW I... don't think that's right. < 1373397824 579428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example this one: "When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ..." < 1373397828 752711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hidden meaning? < 1373397886 411002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are zippy-the-pinhead-like. a kind of surreal madlib, if you want. < 1373397912 349579 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sounds awfully similar to a grad student research project. < 1373397934 248559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: In reality, it's just non-study-related fiddling. < 1373397950 878315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's my own code.) < 1373398184 30770 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373398332 219838 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373398384 873927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual, it was a case of nuns-in-nuns-out. I mean, NaNs. < 1373398552 800882 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another victim of St-nAnne of the Sisterhood of Uncomputable Numbers. < 1373398563 861909 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, maybe the brand name 'Cutter' isn't the best for a U-lock < 1373398600 413188 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fun problem: what is 0x1p1023 + 0x1p1023 - 0x1p1023 - 0x1p1023? < 1373398650 676025 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses his fingers... < 1373398723 527686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1p? < 1373398735 645387 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I end up with a green zebra. < 1373398746 483956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What is that p < 1373398746 805872 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I made a mental mistake somewhere... < 1373398843 680321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that equation put into an unsigned long long, then printfed, gives me 0. < 1373398905 112242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: floating point exponent < 1373398940 125257 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in floating point it's variously +inf,-inf, 0, and NaN depending on how you order the operations < 1373398972 607381 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I doubled it, I get +inf. < 1373398982 156686 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying, nonetheless, I need to get a bike lock that's convenient to use, but I also do want to get a better bike within a few months. < 1373399568 794455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole channel would certainly benefit from a better bike. < 1373399618 868778 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. Anyone who has anything to do with bicycles and bicycle locks doesn't remotely fucking believe in cool URIs < 1373399799 272255 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373399923 782826 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373399936 98539 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1373400096 290591 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373400096 614914 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373400096 615045 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373400303 415907 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400310 188316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373400402 549694 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400402 743010 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400402 743102 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400436 436821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a soundtrack to that u-tube video, but can't figure out how to paste it in posthumously. < 1373400604 982988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a possible. < 1373401090 523455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube editor thing could work < 1373401098 780532 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could reupload < 1373401427 414021 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373401427 959596 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373401428 260883 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373401476 219230 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373401476 369756 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373401476 369905 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373401679 104229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402320 717246 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373402321 134339 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373402321 290705 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373402407 217403 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402505 700149 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402505 850589 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402505 850659 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373403901 607613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1373403903 509515 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373404017 372979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Booted? < 1373404021 888099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? < 1373404039 187575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it disconnected me and wouldn't let me reconnect with SSL on port 6697 < 1373404042 804979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only plaintext on 6667 < 1373404076 561094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using plaintext anyway. < 1373404707 927506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first servo patch \o/ https://github.com/mozilla/servo/commit/cfffd0542404b60923f3f524f5144693d9b89f00 < 1373404708 244412 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                | < 1373404708 471577 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                |\ < 1373404715 53099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: <3 < 1373404729 301761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of looks like he's hanging onto a cliff made of text o_O < 1373404758 220499 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373404777 511721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg #[deriving(Eq)] < 1373404785 198814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that your first patch at mozilla? :o < 1373404793 263155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1373404794 953216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of equality does it derive < 1373404800 203131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mozilla getting their money's worth there < 1373404803 640191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the best kind < 1373404805 571780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ikr < 1373404808 404165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Head Instance Deriver < 1373404818 595887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today instances, tomorrow the world < 1373404827 528948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats! also, nice that your first patch actually removes code XD < 1373404833 797174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1373404836 80601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pleased about that < 1373404842 684099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing code is the best < 1373404845 884483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now you have to keep a net negative. < 1373404847 648937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever. < 1373404855 736311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was net negative on Mosh for a long time < 1373404861 138166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I deleted a bunch of bundled third party libraries < 1373404870 486511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is their really wacky merge thing like < 1373404871 314074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcodedestroyer < 1373404872 450228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those github bots < 1373404876 797257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they scare me < 1373404881 902156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad < 1373404914 473200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you open a pull request the normal way, then someone reviews it and replies with "r+" to accept it, then the bot merges to branch auto, runs tests on several platforms, and if that passes it merges to master < 1373404948 143065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh github pull requests < 1373404953 528998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1373404962 386509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to auto if the tests fail < 1373404972 982649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1373404979 432898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaos in the streets < 1373405051 493647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an instance is called an "implementation" < 1373405065 220691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :betraying rust's operational roots < 1373405088 382341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the point of auto if it doesn't handle tests failing... < 1373405161 572154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably does something sane, I just don't know what ;P < 1373405303 154406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should work on rust < 1373405306 629479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being bored half the time < 1373405443 504064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373405444 236365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1373405459 192189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I am lazy 100% of the time < 1373405491 386388 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373405566 666514 :Guest26607!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wtanxjtchlqwuaus QUIT :Changing host < 1373405566 816876 :Guest26607!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1373405571 512179 :Guest26607!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1373405754 876987 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373405878 919062 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373406138 26262 :Ermelys!~canaima@190.121.238.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373406156 946045 :Ermelys!~canaima@190.121.238.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1373406160 311587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373406164 104716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Ermelys < 1373406170 391380 :Ermelys!~canaima@190.121.238.22 PART :#esoteric < 1373406172 498139 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0506Erm07ely13s: Welcome03 11to the int05er06national hub for esoteric progr03ammin05g l11a14nguage d08e08si06gn 02and d12e05plo14yment! For more06 info13rmation, 04check out 02our02 wiki: ht10tp://esolangs03.07org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind 02of esoterica07, try #e03soteric on irc.da06l.n06et08.) < 1373406174 763452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373406177 93179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it back!! < 1373406201 661577 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373406254 261451 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373406376 756223 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the colours change? < 1373406396 642747 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were never fixed < 1373406619 126252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome Koen_ < 1373406621 870866 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6Koen_: 4Welcome 7to 8the 9international 2hub 13for 6esoteric 4programming 7language 8design 9and 2deployment! 13For 6more 4information, 7check 8out 9our 2wiki: 13http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 6(For 4the 7other 8kind 9of 2esoterica, 13try 6#esoteric 4on 7irc.dal.net.) < 1373406628 347337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is fixed < 1373406658 457766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm wondering if all the spanish speakers are just because our channel starts with es... < 1373406723 622010 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks < 1373406735 83946 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rainbow is better than yours Ermelys < 1373406744 443211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's move to #oteric < 1373406771 652579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: esoteric" < 1373406793 962340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoteric < 1373406829 65639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me S. Oteric on facebook is not using his real name. < 1373406870 911354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no:oter = en:otter < 1373407136 188718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric := pl:wydra < 1373407219 350851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky indoeuropeans < 1373407271 478138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by which i mean that it looks related through a few plausible sound changes) < 1373407336 989619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they are cognates < 1373407338 569285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as dropping w before o is something that happened in norse. < 1373407354 454063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. no:ulv = en:wolf) < 1373407366 279791 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373407382 334784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:odin older_germanic:wotan < 1373407385 65071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric := pl:wilk < 1373407394 308610 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolf that is < 1373407401 693672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odin is just Odin < 1373407424 200141 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373407435 450433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no < 1373407438 719565 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Odyn < 1373407447 407545 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373407476 278437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but does it refer to the _norse_ god or to the corresponding ancient polish/slavic god < 1373407490 299604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whoever that is) < 1373407509 360210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it was really anciently related, it'd be the latter. < 1373407514 236452 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norse god < 1373407533 561428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slavic gods are a different parthenon < 1373407545 866526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pantheon < 1373407563 636676 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :parthathamenon < 1373407606 27295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:ull = en:wool < 1373407610 734621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (898) < 1373407612 120200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (898): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1373407615 944785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1373407618 196746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how come you didn't tell me :'( < 1373407651 144963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just found out at the same time as you hth < 1373407653 731318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric := pl:wełna < 1373407677 105071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, en:cotton is pl:bawełna < 1373407680 278203 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bug on my screen < 1373407690 397417 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it likes your 'l's < 1373407700 676661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a bug =P < 1373407736 928256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := no:bomull, although that's a half-translated borrowing from de:Baumwolle < 1373407747 672182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree wool :D < 1373407778 249939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh it came out 8 minutes ago < 1373407778 985510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the polish is as well < 1373407790 941723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373407800 930783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bawełna is from Proto-Slavic < 1373407854 691353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i vaguely didn't think cotton was known in europe in proto-times < 1373407864 995863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fi:puuvilla, also "tree wool".) < 1373407883 139332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it's a compound of ba- and wełna < 1373407896 335187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: so does ba- mean tree in polish too, then? < 1373407904 513430 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373407918 945385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree is drzewo < 1373407932 367656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that doesn't prove ba- doesn't mean tree :P < 1373407941 183867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wood is drewno, forest is las < 1373408040 706088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ba doesn't mean tree =P < 1373408047 904346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh america had their own cotton plants which were domesticated < 1373408076 957964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Oarjohn < 1373408078 889629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the late medieval period, cotton became known as an imported fiber in northern Europe, without any knowledge of how it was derived, other than that it was a plant; noting its similarities to wool, people in the region could only imagine that cotton must be produced by plant-borne sheep." < 1373408126 479629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plant-borne sheep =P < 1373408136 995027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_Lamb_of_Tartary < 1373408249 113672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373408271 811845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was once believed that barnacle geese hatch out of goose barnacles < 1373408280 902595 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more meat-from-meat, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_Turtle < 1373408971 458360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373408979 303851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :horpal < 1373409041 333225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a rather nasty disease. :( < 1373409052 464293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh the horping balls" < 1373409070 739326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you made it sound like an STD < 1373409080 949566 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rovlap < 1373409105 889879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Your link in the lambdabot message. It isn't working, even after enabling js on that site. < 1373409159 300998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try another browser < 1373409179 64466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah works in chrome < 1373409202 228762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that a home made pano head? < 1373409203 258251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373409224 556207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really good results < 1373409274 639099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm TRYING to install the haskell platform on this windows machine. < 1373409293 893586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit a bug though where it locks up on adding stuff to PATH. For about 15 minutes per item it is adding. < 1373409308 445992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a bug report open < 1373409496 351200 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373409600 750349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, mike4_ in ##crypto. < 1373409608 744788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like some kind of pattern. < 1373409612 343115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know mike4_ < 1373409613 331013 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows sucks, so I don't think the haskell people don't concentrate on it as much < 1373409618 817342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also which pattern < 1373409638 368368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mike4_ is a troll < 1373409645 897734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1373409651 525167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he linking to articles that prove crypto is a waste of time < 1373409658 413083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373409665 504430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just being thick < 1373409691 208517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _did_ succeed in installing the haskell platform on windows (8) the other day, it may have been slow but it was relatively painless. the pain happened when i tried to run cabal install :P < 1373409693 966823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would crypto be a waste of time? < 1373409696 233427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely considering joining ##crypto just to see the trolls < 1373409709 567255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_don't_ try to do it from inside winghci hth) < 1373409713 784021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it seems to be his schtick < 1373409719 601327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a "migratory" pattern, maybe < 1373409726 900247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he join #haskell and link articles to prove haskell is a waste of time < 1373409728 519264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of people from #haskell to ##crypto < 1373409729 90226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without crypto there wouldn't be online banking =P < 1373409730 2221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the pattern < 1373409788 33278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:20:25 does haskell compare in performance speed to C or C++? < 1373409788 184147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just standard "justify haskell to me" stuff, along with linking an obvious troll article about FP sucking < 1373409788 334860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:03 it runs like python and java? < 1373409788 335091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:54 does haskell run as fast as python. < 1373409788 335200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:58 ? < 1373409788 335306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:23:23 but slower than c and c++ < 1373409790 538597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:23 well does Haskell apps run slower than C and C++? < 1373409793 44721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:51 faster? < 1373409803 818400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.05.02:09:06:34 please check that link that gives an extensive critique on FUNCTIONAL PROGRAMMING. < 1373409812 579600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.05.02:09:07:53 Why go functional even! Please! < 1373409818 799928 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1373409851 384473 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1373409858 979378 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :your program will terminate the quickest if you print out "Segmentation fault" and exit(139) < 1373409864 392511 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, show me a non-functional programming language where the compiler tells you if you're doing something wrong with your red-black tree < 1373409880 985765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, mike4_ has been more prolific than i thought < 1373409883 176853 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't care < 1373409883 827050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :under more than one nick < 1373409886 600617 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, or if someone else does. < 1373409916 737592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: any other nicks other than philosophy? < 1373409917 656736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: windows is a supported platform for the platform. it's just that ... argh wtf can't this touchpad control program keep my touchpad settings under control between hibernations... < 1373409924 114400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I already knew about) < 1373409935 491374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's the one I meant. < 1373409943 105914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.04.24:11:58:35 hi, i thought programming was about solving peoples problems, instead of creating more. < 1373409946 679319 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm i really wanna see this anti-FP article < 1373409948 188174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373409949 725796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.04.24:12:07:06 can hakshell be used in the field to make real world applications? < 1373409952 187446 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1373409952 965844 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1373409964 266372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these mike4_ logs are p. great < 1373409965 97513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's from a blog that also contains posts about how einstein was wrong and something about AI based on the bible. < 1373409965 329639 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's another dumb bullshit thing < 1373409970 50399 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every dumb bullshit thing you've ever seen < 1373409971 336578 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373409973 710448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: so uh... maybe you actually do < 1373409974 517274 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once fucking again < 1373409985 421672 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shut up i am the final arbiter on nooodl's opinions! < 1373409990 294645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373409998 64761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://koryos.tumblr.com/post/55022432802/ this is amazingly up your alley < 1373410010 766600 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about noooooodl ooooopinioooons < 1373410018 461186 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all right guys here it is THE BIG GAY ANIMAL SEX POST" fiora. < 1373410049 728154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: according to observations over 90% of giraffe sex is between two males < 1373410085 638746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's after they duel. so basically they fight and then make out < 1373410097 269874 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :giraffes more like gayraffes. < 1373410103 401502 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really though this is totally your thing. < 1373410114 801316 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora thinks bikes are super into gay bestiality < 1373410116 92705 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1373410124 214772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I think of Bike I immediately think "fighting and then making out" < 1373410145 46975 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you implying < 1373410146 908197 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're into evolutionary biology, doofus :p < 1373410158 148518 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wouldn't be surprised if prairie dogs could say "steve from accounting is super hot" < 1373410179 641649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm hitting on you again. that seems to happen a lot < 1373410185 395573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycles and their two-wheeled temptations............. < 1373410190 333089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2007/09/functional-programming-is-worse-than.html < 1373410190 794518 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just wanted to stick my chip in the other dip" help < 1373410201 390974 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1373410203 89266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do prairie dogs have accounting < 1373410204 68347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What most FP theorists fail to explain is that, in FP, the function itself is the variable. The variable value of functions are kept on the stack and are used as arguments for other functions. One function affects another. Insisting that there are no variables and thus no side effects in FP is wishful thinking at best and crackpottery at worst. < 1373410206 537463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1373410210 762743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#prairiedogz < 1373410219 492365 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: seriously, can w e not < 1373410229 406816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nooodl asked :'( < 1373410235 328920 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl!! < 1373410236 67690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck has happened to this channel in the 2 min i was away filling out paperowkr < 1373410244 91403 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gayraffes, hth. < 1373410262 665016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional-programming-is-worse-than-hitler.html < 1373410262 815359 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am enjoying the article thus far < 1373410266 13393 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to hide her giggling at work at the word "gayraffes" < 1373410269 901199 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's probably good < 1373410270 52825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: want to fight and then make out? < 1373410275 488708 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need to give fiora a hard time < 1373410279 36423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: only if it's with elliott sorry < 1373410280 992772 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiiiike < 1373410282 861887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1373410283 543335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always knew kmc was a bicycle < 1373410283 694275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373410298 909349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is a bicycle? < 1373410306 371257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it is THE BIG GAY ANIMAL SEX POST < 1373410309 632200 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't not make some fun < 1373410345 212842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Long story short, if you have a fetish, somewhere out there there is probably an animal who has it too. Congratulations." < 1373410352 336985 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I would want to be a bike. People would alternatively lock me up and ride me. < 1373410362 207201 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org/wiki/THE_BIG_GAY_ANIMAL_SEX_LANGUAGE < 1373410365 639002 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Physically, there’s not much birds can do to have homosexual sex- their junk is not designed in such a way" tragic, imo < 1373410392 826377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: did you get good intuition for existentials hth < 1373410411 679869 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this post reminds me of a lot of uncomfortably detailed drawings of bird sex < 1373410412 250566 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this isn't a parody. See "if your computer uses fine-grain parallelism (this is the future of computing, you can bet on it), FP will not support it because functions are inherently algorithmic." < 1373410423 38093 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Some, but i’ll still need to ponder what’s going on a bit more. < 1373410425 573163 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/10 < 1373410434 506582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: so did you notice that foldr :: [a] -> Mu (ListF a), and unfoldr :: Nu (ListF a) -> [a] < 1373410447 74978 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting < 1373410464 754384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't birds basically just rub their cloacae together < 1373410467 339359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like 0.5 seconds < 1373410468 352999 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i assume elliott called it an obvious troll for a reason < 1373410470 185347 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant elephant < 1373410476 226796 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what, ok. < 1373410476 377381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ... < 1373410478 670432 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mind. blewn. < 1373410484 968203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crackpottery, not trollery < 1373410485 981721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok < 1373410488 933621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz and thx < 1373410493 355738 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I hadn’t thought about that, but i can see it. < 1373410494 227740 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I also give crazies the benefit of the doubt < 1373410494 531116 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1373410499 53890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know when you're not at work though < 1373410507 979173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unfoldr < 1373410509 520553 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> Maybe (a, b)) -> b -> [a] < 1373410510 230287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll send it to my gf < 1373410513 234230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll let you know < 1373410515 903440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr :: (Maybe (a,b) -> b) -> [a] -> b < 1373410516 678667 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually reading this in front of something else, i am glad he's not paying attention < 1373410522 506472 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody* < 1373410533 812354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting [...] i meant elephant but you know what, ok. Bike: ... Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok plz and thx < 1373410537 867858 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1068) oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting [...] i meant elephant but you know what, ok. Bike: ... Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok plz and thx < 1373410556 30173 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, no digression on sexual torture < 1373410596 851161 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not safe for work at moz? man... I dunno if I'd want to work there now... < 1373410613 952228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately elliott fisting is illegal in all 52 states < 1373410643 940020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the 52 states < 1373410644 90437 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underground elliott fisting ring < 1373410657 611910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 50 us states, the second world, and the third world? < 1373410658 420478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, the elliotts^Welephants do that for the nutrition in poop, not for kicks. < 1373410677 702400 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If animals didn’t find sex enjoyable, would they masturbate so much? And let me tell you, if an animal can figure out a way to pleasure itself, by god it will do it all the damn time. I work with monkeys. Don’t test me." it's hard to argue here < 1373410690 206073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt bonobos < 1373410705 952604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can confirm I do it for the poop nutrition < 1373410711 91322 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they said they weren't going to talk about bonobo sex because everyone already does that, lol < 1373410717 414050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the other two are classified < 1373410743 231782 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the evolution of sex part is less detailed than i'd like < 1373410751 84607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more mushrooms, imo < 1373410787 411878 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have variables, only constants < 1373410789 106362 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Above: A wasp-imitating orchid. Below: A male wasp gradually losing his self-confidence." < 1373410805 99278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have variables < 1373410816 354127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = x*2 -- on the right hand side x is a variable < 1373410819 490389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know a while ago i talked to somebody said haskell didn't have variables so they didn't change < 1373410822 471470 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because* < 1373410826 90208 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i said \x -> x + 1 < 1373410827 809256 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was that. < 1373410840 457321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IOW if Haskell doesn't have variables neither does mathematics and that's where the term comes from :P < 1373410868 987758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the x on the left hand side is the same x < 1373410878 220924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore that one is a variable too hth < 1373410883 234800 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, Man < 1373410884 612225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That isn't a variable changing though < 1373410893 244206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is still x < 1373410899 776637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well how about I just link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics) < 1373410902 382759 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373410911 312866 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different invocations could have different values of x though < 1373410913 568670 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy stuff < 1373410926 150601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I used to say this years ago and now I have to repent for it by arguing against it < 1373410932 639311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was an obnoxious jerk about it to oerjan :'( < 1373410934 806563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: f :: () -> (); f x = x < 1373410939 868051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is x a variable? < 1373410940 323741 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, x is a binding < 1373410944 141103 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok whatever you just said: i don't care. < 1373410945 251856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo checkmate < 1373410962 378118 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: this is seriously the same as math, man. is x a "binding" instead of a "variable" in f(x) = x²? < 1373411064 413009 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sex: It’s not just for sex." thanks < 1373411126 913121 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, pederastic elephants (elliotts) < 1373411196 522247 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mention of zw chromosomes :'( < 1373411236 389564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: next exercize is codensity and density hth < 1373411249 218636 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373411358 685538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the platypus still has the best chromosomes < 1373411414 772746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow the last paragraph of the link nooodl asked for is so great < 1373411497 203607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i’m looking up stuff for my animal homosexuality post and i found a book describing sexual behavior between groups of male gray whales, the official scientific term for which is slip-and-slide orgies" i can dig it < 1373411510 952880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... slip and slide < 1373411519 385043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biologists are actually amazing people < 1373411536 972688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure this isn't just biologist code for talking about their own sex < 1373411541 462238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1373411555 938033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know those giraffes, yeah, they're, like, 90% gay. giraffes. yep" < 1373411564 406041 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :masters of disguise < 1373411593 538793 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :official scientific term?? < 1373411603 426048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oh yeah, i study, uh, platypi. yes they're real. i'll uh, i'll make you a model, don't worry. they get up to some kinky shit though lemme tell you' < 1373411620 688993 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: yeah it's silly < 1373411637 588237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered with the scientific term office < 1373411656 436654 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know they actually have that for chemistry < 1373411659 960391 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for gay whales, unfortunately < 1373411791 79934 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i forget if there's a central organization for binomial names or if they just agree... < 1373412002 619732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow does every binomial have its own name < 1373412044 941978 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pun is bad + you are bad < 1373412065 270125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1373412074 819260 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because it's bad. < 1373412077 753839 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pun is bad + you are bad + 0 = that pun is bad + you are bad < 1373412368 524328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what is the pun < 1373412388 953968 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :binomial names of species versus binomials in math < 1373412389 829317 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1373412414 89710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373412439 394800 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1373412452 851432 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mapped altgr as space because my spacebar is too noisy < 1373412458 479910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: am i actually bad < 1373412464 233660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1373412478 88398 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use altgr all the time. < 1373412482 949101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr++ < 1373412521 322567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: also you know how (>>=) :: m a -> Codensity m a < 1373412530 211123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (=>>) :: Density w a -> w a < 1373412542 733960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fmap :: f a -> Yoneda f a and fmap :: CoYoneda f a -> f a < 1373412555 448123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. cool imo < 1373412558 378141 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might if i knew what Codensity and Density are. And if i hadn’t already forgotten what Yoneda and CoYoneda are. < 1373412606 798908 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, i do faintly remember that Yoneda was kind of partially applied fmap. Well, i wouldn’t have remembered whether that was Yoneda or CoYoneda. < 1373412637 47344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Codensity m a = Codensity { runCodensity :: forall b. (a -> m b) -> m b } < 1373412640 184458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) :: forall m a. Monad m => m a -> forall b. (a -> m b) -> m b < 1373412645 871714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's p. straightforward imo < 1373412699 330411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373412734 360416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge whitespace < 1373412749 137319 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENLARGE YOUR WHITESPACE < 1373412773 889041 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN TEN EASY STEPS < 1373412824 379923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yoneda is the same deal < 1373412834 399721 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1373412877 736718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Yoneda f a = Yoneda { runYoneda :: forall b. (a -> b) -> f b } < 1373412877 924762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap :: Functor f => f a -> forall b. (a -> b) -> f b < 1373412918 458115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the real equivalent of Free-based Monad for Functor is < 1373412934 920090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I was going to write something here but I forgot what. < 1373412940 680479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free-base monad > i/3 < 1373412943 917480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved a recursive fmap constructor < 1373412946 796453 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whatever you were going to write, i disagree vehemently. < 1373412955 581669 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that was a drugz joke < 1373412977 408979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: elliott is a bit of a forgetful functor < 1373412996 89308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ever since the free functor left adjoint to him < 1373413040 608341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is: a free functor is left adjoint to a forgetful functor. also drugz) < 1373413047 971241 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aghsaansdf < 1373413173 704445 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with Bike < 1373413187 929462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you don't like my drugz joke ?? < 1373413222 829981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit...."aghsaansdf" < 1373413250 94839 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://24.media.tumblr.com/8557b8052dfb1690467ddf86bb51a4b4/tumblr_mpnxb1GuLe1rprj1yo1_1280.jpg echidna sperm. don't only pay attention to the "cool" monotremes man < 1373413327 369406 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1373413327 558478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i bet maclane doesn't have drugz jokez < 1373413345 185610 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373413370 490572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373413380 448133 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1373413401 839694 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373413511 400842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : pyrolysis of bones releases phosphine < 1373413519 362794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly ##electronics is a wonderful channel < 1373413559 952815 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean fire < 1373413575 764040 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no oxygen < 1373414022 187752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1373414022 374565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1373414022 374713 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1373414022 660124 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1373414025 155909 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1373414046 219798 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373414150 182914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373414202 834196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1373414231 194350 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel moves damned fast kmc < 1373414240 94183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel < 1373414249 685769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics < 1373414253 39387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talkin' mushrooms < 1373414255 865106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kmconspiracy" < 1373414268 733920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elecdrugzics < 1373414322 421576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/xfrUeQ4.png < 1373414325 103963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little confusing < 1373414505 385607 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you played that game ? ''other top games''? I hear it's good < 1373415721 230676 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373415859 510336 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373415873 187117 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373415878 162753 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373415950 884234 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373417019 845911 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373417664 392662 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "In totally unrelated news, Quantum Computing Since Democritus made Scientific American’s list of best summer books! I can’t think of a more appropriate honor, since if there’s any phrase that captures what QCSD is all about, “sizzling summer beach read” would be it." < 1373417670 156643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson is really great XD < 1373417699 5114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookin up search algorithms on the grill < 1373417789 93648 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining a quantum computing romance now < 1373417795 606671 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, romance novel < 1373417821 454417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BQP wanted to union with BPP-path, but it was not to be < 1373418303 235015 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disney cashes in with the film adaptation "Entangled" < 1373418446 33824 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1373419495 363977 :noooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373419594 135867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've come up with a conclusive proof why there will never be another stargate TV series < 1373419697 898683 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the premiere of each series has dialed one extra chevron, but there are no more left < 1373419969 691925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: omg XD < 1373420094 204029 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373420542 173342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so I'm home now < 1373420549 780805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other < 1373420570 441954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hey, i only said fisting, not mutual fisting < 1373420579 785665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine jeez < 1373420579 936193 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/ecf88e222a33b3c867f1eabaf09bd45b/tumblr_inline_mpog8gvrjo1r577c9.png here you go though < 1373420582 895539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to get a guy's hopes up < 1373420597 861084 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could also call it "trunking" < 1373420601 89003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hated yourself, i mean < 1373420630 352741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that picture is not really that sexy < 1373420631 311880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1373420849 845914 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you to judge that < 1373420855 777886 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you an elephant < 1373420866 163157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just speaking for myself here < 1373420875 858632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't look like that < 1373420876 569014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi < 1373420884 694691 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like which one? < 1373420887 401928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1373420897 548618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Bike: so I'm home now i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other < 1373420901 205747 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1069) Bike: so I'm home now i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other < 1373420955 14488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1068 < 1373420956 716764 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1068) oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting [...] i meant elephant but you know what, ok. Bike: ... Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok plz and thx < 1373420962 359264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the series < 1373420979 894991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love quote continuity < 1373420990 42286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotinuity < 1373421106 283229 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your enjoyment: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=elephant+poop < 1373421143 373888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank but also, no thanks < 1373421146 120791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1373421199 799263 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is feta cheese about < 1373421199 949712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's limerick o'clock < 1373421204 442095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: write me a limerick plz thx < 1373421218 372350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: About what? < 1373421224 338897 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :about < 1373421290 2726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bout of feta cheese < 1373421293 185860 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/6h5ZLo-GO9E http://youtu.be/A2y_LEbdEVE http://youtu.be/VbPdrqdXx0g < 1373421293 337285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn bout < 1373421294 732715 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "bout" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1373421294 884259 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bout < 1373421294 884433 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: (sports) a division during which one team is on the < 1373421294 884546 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : offensive [syn: {turn}, {bout}, {round}] < 1373421294 884653 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: a period of illness; "a bout of fever"; "a bout of < 1373421296 747389 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines] < 1373421311 279033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that continues with «feta cheese"; » < 1373421312 674550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1373421312 825085 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : depression" < 1373421312 975873 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: a contest or fight (especially between boxers or wrestlers) < 1373421312 976049 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4: an occasion for excessive eating or drinking; "they went on a < 1373421312 976158 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : bust that lasted three days" [syn: {bust}, {tear}, {binge}, < 1373421312 976269 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : {bout}] < 1373421317 727980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1373421332 448019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they went on a bout of feta cheese that lasted three days < 1373421370 376138 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Boba Feta cheese < 1373421370 526662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a cheese which is kind of like feta but not quite feta < 1373421380 448410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "bulgarian cheese" in hebrew < 1373421389 227978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is popular and delicious to eat it with watermelons < 1373421397 504061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also other things) < 1373421456 269604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah I just started cooking a chicken tortilla thing with feta cheese < 1373421527 478767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i wonder whether you can find proper gvina bulgarit in san francisco < 1373421554 373875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is made from sheep's milk usually?? < 1373421804 192316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swats < 1373421804 382725 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really struggling here to finish a limerick with shachaf as the primary rhyme. < 1373421814 887783 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not an easy feat >.> < 1373421815 38211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window < 1373421828 673545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what was the right window < 1373421834 747117 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you split words < 1373421839 615114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch aff-irmative or something < 1373421846 333930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (text.flap) "oerjan" < 1373421847 321048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we can check out http://www.yelp.com/biz/samiramis-imports-san-francisco-2 < 1373421849 926394 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : uɐɾɹǝo < 1373421858 543234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They carry the Jericho garlic spread, which permits me to have a Zankou Chicken-like garlic experience." ++++++++ < 1373421861 595617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Zankou < 1373421866 223911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: have you been to Zankou Chicken < 1373421951 37287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they exist in southern california < 1373421952 473656 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have written myself into a corner < 1373421975 178016 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-198-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373422002 829246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hm http://www.samiramisimport.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=122&category_id=36&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53 < 1373422010 692185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.samiramisimport.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=123&category_id=36&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53 < 1373422023 771002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1373422076 681340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can get watermelon too!! < 1373422097 178477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find hours on their site, Yelp says they'll be open until 20:00 on Saturday though < 1373422105 319423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can get watermelon anywhere >_< < 1373422113 172243 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373422114 486034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a bunch of smashed watermelons at Church & Duboce < 1373422114 636508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373422119 468260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to happen a lot here < 1373422126 269917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't get watermelon & bulgarian cheese anywhere < 1373422132 36294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people drop or throw a full bag of groceries from a third story window (??) < 1373422133 19531 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-198-134.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373422138 449316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i didn't mean at that place i meant in general < 1373422139 638864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "watermelon & bulgarian cheese" a traditional dish < 1373422141 800187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373422156 163873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm is it < 1373422207 944741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/images?q=אבטיח+וגבינה+בולגרית < 1373422225 985028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutella and sausage?? < 1373422234 858375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1373422237 240692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that one < 1373422250 5520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess the palestinean cafe in Cambridge does a fruit & cheese plate that's p. good < 1373422275 474104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3398/3536010056_e9a8d6c67e.jpg awwwwww <3 < 1373422290 697354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one picture is... watermelon and halloumi?? < 1373422299 77441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo "bizarre" but maybe it's good too < 1373422303 242608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was afraid that might be more elephant fisting < 1373422305 759064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicked anyway < 1373422311 583763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had halloumi < 1373422321 844090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :halloumi is a strange cheese < 1373422326 547970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should have some sometime < 1373422330 788191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will! < 1373422354 109609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to grill it or something < 1373422376 172399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fry it < 1373422378 888575 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-202-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373422464 76396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373422466 500998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zankou is the besssssst < 1373422467 235578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that works too < 1373422496 242148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm is halloumi not vegetarian :'( < 1373422497 175318 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373422520 110781 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-202-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373422623 967973 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s cheese. < 1373422656 279561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but is it "set with rennet" < 1373422715 508441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the use of rennet really that much to stomach? < 1373422722 737714 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: heh. heh. < 1373422743 172274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :womp womp < 1373422765 435398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days some rennet is produced by transgenic bacteria < 1373422772 499963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373422815 929999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacteria *or* fungi I should say < 1373422836 81845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incl. black mold fungus < 1373422859 720075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you interested in cheese making? < 1373422870 979257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cathy makes cheese sometimes, mostly when we have some milk that has gone bad < 1373422877 543969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just acid-set cheese so far < 1373422886 369507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes out like paneer or cottage cheese, depending < 1373422893 583874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't know much about cheese-making < 1373422905 266956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially interesting < 1373422912 3734 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milk gone off big-time-stylee, eh < 1373422917 418352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also get enzymes out of thistle or other plants that substitute for rennet < 1373422944 251176 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373422949 287076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373422957 770277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how much it would cost to pay someone to drive 6 hours to los angeles and get zankou chicken for me and bring it back < 1373422959 453924 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-202-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373422961 819427 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373422966 823317 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1373422971 834272 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373422992 740219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :los angeles is six hours away from san francisco????? < 1373422996 72382 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much would it cost for them to not eat it on the way, is the real question < 1373423017 516068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: gonna need another diagram here < 1373423022 687256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes approx < 1373423036 222876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's only about 2ms away at the speed of light ht < 1373423037 231646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I realize that's like twice the entire length of your damp & dismal island < 1373423038 563730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1373423180 96902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also I found http://www.buyisraelgoods.org/scripts/mrkt_Home.asp?market_id=13&category_id=7 but maybe it's too creepy < 1373423325 758195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does the world need microcontrollers < 1373423330 197158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great contribution to ##electronics imo < 1373423343 186721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps .bg bulgarian cheese > .il bulgarian cheese < 1373423348 133003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why microcontrollers and not macrocontrollers?? < 1373423385 284965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we just don't know < 1373423414 42190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone once told me bulgarian women are the most attractive < 1373423417 652357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was quite insistent on this point < 1373423428 520760 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i've ever seen a bulgarian person < 1373423718 149556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quick guide: (1) san francisco is in north california (2) los angeles is in the other california (3) california is big < 1373423748 628838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) is quite difficult or me < 1373423750 443479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1373423756 749611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :best california < 1373423783 62418 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically imagine like, at least a hundred welsh people in a pile? that's like almost as big as california < 1373423814 850494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, it's not even as far as London to Glasgow < 1373423831 473314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it can target GCC, it could be possible to modify Glasgow to work with gcc-avr and use haskell for AVR micro controller < 1373423838 920625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then we would need a special Haskell dialect that would allow us to modify register directly and embeded Assembly inside it (in the impure main function, as IO type) < 1373423860 948754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: london and glasgow are literally in different countries < 1373423861 712284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stop. < 1373423867 167624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham to Dover < 1373423874 934415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody wants to go to dover < 1373423879 537702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the cliffs < 1373423884 300989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1373423885 188102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cliffs < 1373423891 615096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would you vote yes on scottish independence < 1373423893 375992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: same kingdom though < 1373423903 638692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: probably < 1373423924 905170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you even live in a kingdom < 1373423927 324632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :their politics are a bit less fucked < 1373423934 275249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i would then have to move to scotland though < 1373423943 384954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i would freeze to death < 1373423980 397513 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright are you all ready for some Bad Java Code < 1373423989 892433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gb2tdwtf < 1373423996 512887 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend works for a school and his undergrads decided they needed to write a calendar < 1373423996 896402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, continue. < 1373423999 462747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/qzngL9iE < 1373424027 566666 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373424029 29111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why do you ask anyway < 1373424033 565769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Rig < 1373424036 241399 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Rig:08 Wel02come to 02th14e04 in07ternational hub for esote05ric prog10ramming langua05ge design an14d d04eploymen06t11! Fo04r more informat08ion, check o05ut our wiki:03 http://es05ol09a13n06gs.org/06wiki/Main_Pag13e. (For the other03 ki11nd of10 esoter08ica, try #13esoteric o03n irc.dal.ne03t.) < 1373424039 571605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1373424048 989664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people need to learn the basic visual technique < 1373424054 867667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of seeing code that looks the same seven times on the screen < 1373424056 588822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of freezing to death? < 1373424057 443868 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373424065 523917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should cause you to feel a sensation similar to spiders trying to crawl up your butthole < 1373424082 277481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CS education needs more Ludovico Technique < 1373424083 569535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's interests: elephant fisting, spider butthole invasions < 1373424089 957702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, drugz < 1373424091 555994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't forget drug < 1373424092 900377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb < 1373424119 899706 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373424130 836959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good way to welcome Rig < 1373424131 534176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1373424136 475984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373424142 550891 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be worse. < 1373424154 954860 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rig could have been a spider butthole fetishist. < 1373424158 941679 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the one refactoring the code Bike shared. < 1373424162 183873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes all kinds < 1373424167 542132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good luck w/ that < 1373424168 602191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Rig < 1373424171 149879 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :RiG: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1373424186 736404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.es < 1373424190 295053 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1373424193 791593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bienvenue < 1373424199 848274 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ust in love with "this.add(new Day(OfTheWeek.Monday, 1, 0));" < 1373424200 324007 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenue sur le centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d'informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l'autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) < 1373424203 493753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tervetuloa Bike < 1373424204 572079 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found < 1373424206 897937 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like their anonymous ArrayList subclass < 1373424210 391970 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey what did youc all me < 1373424216 571973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ion to fix `tervetuloa hth < 1373424216 736695 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373424225 889522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? < 1373424240 83043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it means "welcome" in finnish < 1373424252 834652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't finnish people welcome with fermented fish products < 1373424253 756068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can't it be both < 1373424257 632092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "tervemenoa" means "good riddance" < 1373424261 331514 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, so many lines of code, I'm impressed. The author must have at least twice as many lines of code as his coworker. What a chump, that guy. < 1373424281 411570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? either that or it means "welcome" in finnish < 1373424284 462424 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1070) Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? either that or it means "welcome" in finnish < 1373424286 888040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on a roll today kmc < 1373424289 123728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1373424293 519472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may be trying too hard < 1373424303 792679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, we all are < 1373424311 343554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 isn't < 1373424335 159781 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key to trying too hard is to try harder, but try less frequently. < 1373424342 512409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise < 1373424362 288696 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :same overall amount of hardness < 1373424444 765168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that java code "looks good to me" < 1373424453 280989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (410) < 1373424454 854005 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (410): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373424469 983161 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it's that time of tuesday/thursday evening < 1373424471 423701 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1373424508 49999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist and smlist in the same day < 1373424518 838915 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the exploit that used a previously unknown MD5 weakness? < 1373424551 520415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :every md5 weakness was previously unknown < 1373424574 600708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you are thinking of the ""flame"" thing < 1373424627 934687 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the recent one; I was reminded of it (though not the name) reading about Stuxnet < 1373424634 241705 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: america is *really really huge* < 1373424636 469073 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like unreasonable huge < 1373424642 834333 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least twice as big as wales < 1373424663 262844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: agreed re: unreasonable < 1373424678 700645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :austerity measure to save america money: cut down on size??? you really don't need all that country < 1373424689 44399 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not like we use all of it < 1373424690 315364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary. you're intimidating all the other countries < 1373424692 368099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we p. much just need the coasts < 1373424694 292982 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :alaska and hawaii were just flagrant wastes of money < 1373424695 786326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except like russia < 1373424696 373274 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the density drops off pretty hilariously in the middle < 1373424697 670410 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, Texas could be sold. < 1373424700 566440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the least coast and the best code < 1373424702 203400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coast < 1373424704 445416 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the US is like any normal country except everything is 5 times farther apart < 1373424710 607788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :initial and terminal objects in the category of coasts < 1373424716 986132 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia doesn't count since they just have everything in the west < 1373424726 67228 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the West Coast isn't really a coast < 1373424727 130770 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373424729 769036 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the east they still have reindeer herders, because are you going to bother someone who lives in fucking siberia < 1373424731 58520 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of disqualifies it < 1373424746 531959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you aren't really a coast :'( < 1373424751 588761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america's size stems from them stretching out a far smaller area of land to make the most of what they had < 1373424757 187270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :during the war of independence in 1 BC < 1373424766 313084 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am totally a coaster < 1373424768 547433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome qxr < 1373424770 833623 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0713qxr: Welcome to 12the inte13r08nati09o10nal hub13 f14or esoteric pr03ogram10ming language desig05n and deployment! For more in04for06mati02on, check ou10t our wiki: http://esolan14gs07.or10g03/wiki/Main_P14age. (F05or04 the o12ther ki10nd of es12oter09ica, try #e08sot07e04ric on10 irc.dal.net.) < 1373424774 644497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop relcoming everyone < 1373424776 721329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll wear it out < 1373424787 411970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome is the best welcome, sorry < 1373424788 623322 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott < 1373424790 760171 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1373424795 568972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure we even need the others < 1373424796 647104 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: but who would buy texas. < 1373424799 785815 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome does seem the best. < 1373424806 795673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Rig < 1373424808 895249 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1373424814 117273 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, still not better. < 1373424817 160798 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Mexico has tons of empty space < 1373424820 118312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: You haven't seen half of the welcomes! < 1373424824 355727 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone still insists on living in Mexico City < 1373424825 480866 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1373424828 756877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no place to say things like that. < 1373424847 875508 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike tells me that HackEgo actually creates a VM for every command. < 1373424848 37394 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fullwidth welcome is still there, right? < 1373424867 253523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Rig < 1373424868 372639 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WELCOME Rig: not found < 1373424871 10258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: sort of < 1373424873 185453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Rig < 1373424875 328146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses user mode ilnux < 1373424875 536884 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​RIG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION < 1373424882 671747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as heavy as a full vm but still "booting a kernel" < 1373424885 811096 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hey, why'd it cut off < 1373424890 743369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: irc length limits hth < 1373424892 13798 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1373424892 515370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: too biug < 1373424895 702695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like america < 1373424897 673687 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nooooo < 1373424903 574619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately there are no country length limits :( < 1373424911 466616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey not everybody in america is "fullwidth" < 1373424912 933698 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, alias `america to `WELCOME < 1373424942 13160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: it's also under version control! so it's like at least thirty times better than the code at your job. < 1373424954 653556 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a fat joke? < 1373424962 312289 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Nah, we're under version control. < 1373424979 386586 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVN is not really my idea of good version control though. < 1373424988 517245 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. HackEgo is on, like. git? probably. < 1373425008 810505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego uses hg < 1373425014 577841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Gregor is kind of a weirdo < 1373425017 89045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough imo < 1373425030 193515 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd settle for hg or git. But my boss dislikes distributed version control for some reason. < 1373425033 565722 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no discussion of weird things here. < 1373425081 662397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i thought it was a response to one < 1373425087 790362 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: use hg or git with the final backend being some boring centralized thing, with say a code review system in between. < 1373425104 25565 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha. Code review. < 1373425104 606188 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, elliott was just talking about america having "a lot of territory", if you know what i mean. < 1373425114 317533 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is the same as what i literally said, btw < 1373425128 711308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it's a rig < 1373425135 193659 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike did you invite a rig in here < 1373425142 371339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :big rigs over the road racing < 1373425145 197750 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we're all in the same other channel dunkass < 1373425148 726004 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being optimisticic < 1373425162 7786 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike told me there was no optimism in this channel. < 1373425178 179418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am optimistic < 1373425178 960315 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he introduced it as being full of cool people that hate programming. < 1373425188 540166 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unfortunately, kmc recently got a cool job < 1373425194 70441 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people are in a good mood about programming < 1373425196 303751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's terrible. < 1373425203 473140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I still hate programming < 1373425209 542623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ##nomic hth < 1373425215 292599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hates everything < 1373425217 389325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1373425228 63586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't hate programming < 1373425229 670845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's annoying < 1373425229 821355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes wish elliott didn't hate things so much :'( < 1373425240 234935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying you hate my hatred of things < 1373425243 92103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373425246 396656 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just wouldn't be the same elliott if he had a healthy, sustainable outlook on life < 1373425252 707682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee thanks Bike < 1373425263 341325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hatred is sustainable < 1373425270 892693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee thanks shachaf < 1373425273 818855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (text.flap) "uɐɾɹǝo" < 1373425276 746421 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : oǝɹɾɐ¿ < 1373425288 192035 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :general hatred from a person, or specific hatred of a person? < 1373425308 799890 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is usually more sustainable than the former. < 1373425326 545690 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look man, i'm not a "hatred expert". I have people for that. People and elephants. < 1373425337 564039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: is that like initial and terminal objects < 1373425342 468499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the category of h8rs < 1373425353 759524 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and h8ees < 1373425361 408175 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373425367 168095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean there's always an identity morphism < 1373425373 593539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone hates themselves < 1373425375 117906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"axioms" < 1373425376 977124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey people remember when this channel made sense < 1373425380 995269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me neither < 1373425387 627693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made sense before you joined < 1373425389 413491 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a category but with no identities. the best kind. < 1373425389 898830 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory "makes sense". < 1373425399 847549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: that's called a semigroupoid < 1373425399 997877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: does this honestly look like category theory to you < 1373425413 365199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it looks like shachaf. < 1373425417 34431 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no u < 1373425417 359310 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume shachaf is a category. < 1373425420 273689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does shachaf look like < 1373425435 170984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoidal. < 1373425444 812200 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Rig here too then < 1373425459 319089 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you can't just ask what shachaf looks like < 1373425468 96729 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to put him in diagrams and ask if they commute < 1373425477 219727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :commute where < 1373425490 381184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should i have a hair cut y/n < 1373425494 181670 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intransitive < 1373425495 338491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hair is getting annoying < 1373425506 532710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. in this weather etc. < 1373425509 614222 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :to you or to others? < 1373425518 359759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1373425522 540385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't remember how much hair you have < 1373425528 558019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if you don't like having that much, you should get it cut < 1373425533 347800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will look good either way < 1373425546 215577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that goes without saying hth < 1373425563 881823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on july 25 2011 i shaved all my hair < 1373425577 51031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: hey you'll probably hear an equally terrible joke along these lines like at least once in the future here so I'm gonna get it out the way with: < 1373425585 170038 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373425586 392426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then went for a few hours of walking in the sun and got a sunburn :'( < 1373425587 8848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig: the best thing about you is that you're never negative < 1373425598 120889 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't get it < 1373425599 666689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone who got that feel free to kill me < 1373425609 449567 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that's also the best thing about functors < 1373425633 585310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet oerjan got it < 1373425635 613913 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't get it. < 1373425645 33980 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "positive rig" a thing... < 1373425650 704138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rig_(mathematics) < 1373425654 223730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry < 1373425659 942328 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already hate this. < 1373425673 721737 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. < 1373425674 734550 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right. ring -> rig. < 1373425677 400202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate mathematicians. < 1373425678 178422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: without the requirement that each element has an additive inverse < 1373425682 757273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still can < 1373425688 881211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every ring is a rig "etc "etc"" < 1373425692 462778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect that was colossally terrible on so many levels < 1373425697 140453 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1373425701 973215 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematicians and computer scientists should stop naming things. < 1373425707 303818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :== < 1373425712 535752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have so many things! < 1373425715 923327 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::= < 1373425720 226163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I love things < 1373425735 198257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are too negative < 1373425737 56143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefers thigs < 1373425810 543390 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373425819 722290 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rig had a lot of foresight to name themselves after a mathematical abstraction. < 1373425844 581712 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was prepared. < 1373425848 812520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no good one-word name for a commutative semiring < 1373425851 737878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably it wasn't foresight, I suspect Rig had insider knowledge about it < 1373425855 81560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say the whole thing was < 1373425855 967844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigged < 1373425865 57155 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck was that, elliott. < 1373425868 871160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck was that. < 1373425870 199292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T EVEN KNOW < 1373425870 349934 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: let's start with a commutative group < 1373425871 993884 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i a disgusted. < 1373425873 836015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am. < 1373425874 505541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not myself. < 1373425878 877203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so disgusted i can't use words. < 1373425949 88668 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pun hate is too strong in this area < 1373425953 986680 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :in dis area. < 1373425967 325611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these puns aren't pleasant or helpful to us please stop < 1373425977 818323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't take puns < 1373425989 781856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnqchaf < 1373426012 54830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these puns are purrfect < 1373426032 119485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"purr" is the worst pun < 1373426038 82237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1373426042 553207 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :w-what >_< < 1373426062 6638 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesh, I really shouldn't catpun around him should I ... < 1373426094 2637 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're a pun-hater, everything around you looks like a nail... pun. < 1373426101 251999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what Gracenotes said. < 1373426187 424424 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pail? alt. a nun. < 1373426222 291031 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :filling pails? < 1373426222 709960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an anagram < 1373426251 216386 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping faillls? i dunno < 1373426365 395885 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf being weird again eh < 1373426691 499260 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373426880 183344 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373426911 428875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373427195 293811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=area+of+california+%2F+area+of+united+kingdom hth < 1373427204 347914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not clicking, too scary < 1373427305 238195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+california+%2F+population+of+united+kingdom < 1373427332 96796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK has one more elliott than california < 1373427340 155733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're winning < 1373427376 239671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were winning anyway < 1373427392 46662 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the US has one more fiora >:3 < 1373427408 429800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah well..... actually i guess bikes are common in both places < 1373427458 828505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+bikes+in+california nooooo < 1373427470 704548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK is geographically closer to oerjans!!! < 1373427485 749489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta use everything we got here < 1373427505 286670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common campus transportation | Exercise room lineup | Exercises outdoors | Items in a rack | Some exercise equipment < 1373427694 157208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373427716 591605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you going to read JaffaCake's book when it comes out next month < 1373427736 968081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Parallel and Concurrent Programming in Haskell_ < 1373427740 462659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1373427791 302784 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always the right answer. < 1373427804 459136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a correct answer < 1373427807 597075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rarely the right answer < 1373427814 312154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this book is looking p. great < 1373427948 613109 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have the hott book? < 1373427971 194795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a PDF! < 1373427975 794416 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373427979 827928 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373427981 722642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably will never read it & feel miserable < 1373428030 178435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: should i get the paper version & read it < 1373428038 261239 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1373428049 674098 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ordered a copy and will tell you three years from now when I get a chance to read it < 1373428057 542434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1373428063 335891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey did you read that one story thing < 1373428066 602789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ##nomic was the right window hth < 1373428081 439588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this scrollback is large < 1373428082 685411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thx plz hth < 1373428129 744308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (text.flap) "oǝɹɾɐ¿" < 1373428132 642709 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : uɐɾɹǝo < 1373428149 851859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ☝ < 1373428155 927298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: plz fix thx hth < 1373428177 654975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should i bring any paper books with me for you to read < 1373428243 356907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh should i read some of the other clavell books other than _Shōgun_ < 1373428259 939373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have them for $not much at the used bookstore < 1373428267 844176 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the Japanese chess book? < 1373428288 336773 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, hm, that's Shogi < 1373428294 418543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no chess involved "sry" < 1373428311 864927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i bet oerjan got it <-- yep < 1373428319 111587 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the Japanese cheese book? < 1373428322 512761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James Clavell's Shōgun is an interactive fiction computer game written by Dave Lebling and released by Infocom in 1989." < 1373428326 170004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1373428343 357814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh ih aven't read clavell < 1373428368 586248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh hi to you too < 1373428373 580705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "o k" < 1373428416 129354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good < 1373428425 745623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: well can you tell me about the uh printing quality or something < 1373428429 182712 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373428443 526742 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about physical books vs. pdfs they're both pretty good imo < 1373428460 528108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: is it a "proper book" or just a bunch of pages badly glued together or what < 1373428465 406143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo screens are bad hth < 1373428484 884154 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper book < 1373428488 262891 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently high quality < 1373428560 708928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+california+*+area+of+california+%2F+%28population+of+united+kingdom+*+area+of+united+kingdom%29 much more reasonable! < 1373428581 803123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, dude < 1373428601 490922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+united+states+*+area+of+united+states+%2F+%28population+of+united+kingdom+*+area+of+united+kingdom%29 < 1373428643 745935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm getting out of this is the UK needs more Fioras if it wants to keep pace. < 1373428660 585324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get Fioras < 1373428691 753610 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountains of plush < 1373428701 247473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put them under boxes < 1373428702 370168 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immigration? < 1373428704 7205 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how you catch rabbits < 1373428733 146367 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountain-sized boxes < 1373428749 839415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to daki they're made out of moe, I think? < 1373428754 873756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bring me a smullyan book < 1373428760 36595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: plz fix text.flap hth < 1373428770 910015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Jafet wrote it. Jafet can fix it < 1373428771 754460 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bring kmc the smullyan book with the kingdom of laughter < 1373428784 79002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm i was going to bring a different one < 1373428793 638288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could bring the different one instead < 1373428794 988362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe i'll bring both < 1373428798 658733 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are options < 1373428816 236437 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I told you anyone can fix it < 1373428900 888143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh ok. < 1373428908 875420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't guarantee i'll finish reading them in a reasonable amount of time < 1373428911 175512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, mauke's original flap was good. < 1373428920 99428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does flap do < 1373428921 342736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about a bounded amount of time < 1373428926 220143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote mauke flap < 1373428926 370614 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke says: let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\ < 1373428926 520853 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" < 1373428931 714857 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's pretty good. < 1373428937 753981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ (flap.flap) "oerjan" < 1373428938 673587 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan < 1373428943 398302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ flap "oerjan" < 1373428944 360368 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : uɐɾɹǝo < 1373428961 470709 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upside down j is kind of bad < 1373428981 723573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ flap "bicycle" < 1373428982 812633 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ǝlɔʎɔıq < 1373428992 858262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that ı is depressing < 1373428994 154177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more like it < 1373428998 102829 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok tru < 1373429007 584908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let flap=map(ap fromMaybe(`lookup`t).toLower).reverse where t=zip k v++zip v k;k="6abcdefghijkmnrtvwy[({?!'<_;\x203f\x2045\x2234";v="9\x250q\x254p\x1dd\x25f\x183\x265\x131\x27e\x29e\x26fu\x279\x287\x28c\x28d\x28e\x2d9])}\xbf\xa1,>\x203e\x61b\x2040\x2046\x2235" in text $ flap "telemarketer" < 1373429008 540117 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ɹǝʇǝʞɹɐɯǝlǝʇ < 1373429014 946139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1373429021 603609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qxr: see? programming < 1373429037 254877 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never indicated anything to the contrary! < 1373429038 88951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like running programs. < 1373429043 218277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke is the programmer here. < 1373429047 585758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this another Bike program < 1373429048 897800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1373429050 267330 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? mauke < 1373429052 141246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this another Bike person < 1373429062 444514 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one bike, we've been over this < 1373429071 98051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Fiora is a Bike person < 1373429072 348600 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more fixpoint < 1373429073 677424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Rig is < 1373429076 445798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and qxr < 1373429078 789172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike person...? < 1373429083 497236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe Sgeo_?????? < 1373429086 474697 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bike/human hybrid < 1373429088 478419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe Bike is an Sgeo_ person < 1373429088 628683 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, needs more self-inverse < 1373429091 896186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Bike person I mean someone Bike brought. like Rig. < 1373429095 955411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just askin'! < 1373429103 93829 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just here. < 1373429108 526438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rig is not a number, he is a free man < 1373429112 851638 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could all aspire to be here, imo < 1373429113 317612 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1373429262 678473 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own a bike. < 1373429276 759844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is a free bicycle < 1373429585 408377 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373430254 182154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a hyphen in a binomial just means that the second term is negative hth < 1373430324 683746 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you man < 1373430694 917771 :qxr!324c0841@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.76.8.65 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1373431089 258656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Hmm, I think they keep updating the book or something. < 1373431107 614896 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's on github < 1373431143 211904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I mean the printed version. < 1373431152 979882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Published July 8, 2013 < 1373431161 484524 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, no point in printing older versions :) < 1373431261 835308 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure any state of the book is still valuable < 1373431264 205023 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I bought a copy < 1373431272 377612 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it'll probably be out of date within a few days :P < 1373431287 122054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1373431300 138818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps less point if you're not going to read it < 1373431308 343645 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but at least I'll have it < 1373431309 282529 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think y'all are weird < 1373431312 977308 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like getting the giant SUV < 1373431316 405326 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know when you might ned it < 1373431329 70097 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better just destroy ozone to be safe < 1373431338 106131 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could grow fangs later < 1373431355 756887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: don't you have enough giant suvs < 1373431362 829281 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 0 :( < 1373431367 166263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373431369 353500 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like 1 too many < 1373431385 936966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well once you accept that negative giant suvs exist < 1373431397 532792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they pay you money to take them < 1373431406 277430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why wouldn't you get a lot < 1373431439 958363 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, good idea < 1373431502 472653 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it means you lose antigold, which makes it harder to fly < 1373431555 249383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_cuisine < 1373431561 392655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, tarator < 1373432337 120325 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373432470 769791 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/nedroid/status/354821827924733952 < 1373432537 868349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you should follow me on twitter < 1373432561 975744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my tweets seem to be good so far < 1373432573 739175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good we talkin < 1373432599 316494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d1000 < 1373432599 466983 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 701 < 1373432602 174071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :701 < 1373432614 974846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the twitter average is < 1373432616 382662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d1000 < 1373432616 533185 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 954 < 1373432619 249040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :954 < 1373432620 55722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373432631 77248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok something is broken here < 1373432638 759540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pigworker average is < 1373432639 902913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d1000 < 1373432640 53526 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 598 < 1373432645 654502 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373432646 997587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lower better? < 1373432687 503662 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a "twitter expert". < 1373432698 67761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's average is < 1373432699 235081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d1000 < 1373432699 385884 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 473 < 1373432704 20694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is making no sense < 1373432725 380349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the point is, you should follow me so i can spam you with special promotions < 1373432735 743421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :individualized, targeted < 1373432738 115742 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1373432743 701406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sales and events that may be of interest to you < 1373432749 888088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :places to put your money < 1373432751 90314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373432762 574984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb a Jake cosplayer trying to to eroticly lick a gun < 1373432762 729770 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373432799 220493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why are you trying to destroy Taneb's mind tnh < 1373432802 997626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tdnh < 1373432820 216332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1373432836 572954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1373432870 393567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oerjan -----### < 1373432878 469586 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373432887 841203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: want a hug < 1373432889 27735 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's gone mad with power < 1373432893 148131 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah im fine < 1373432894 946979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: are you a "hug person" < 1373432995 408680 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do it spontaneously much but I don't mind it at all < 1373433136 197599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373433252 30070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm sorry but swatting FireFly is an ancient #esoteric tradition. < 1373433298 727819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is an ancient #esoteric tradition < 1373433315 935951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, on the other hand, has a lifespan of ~2 months < 1373433702 250681 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373433730 985350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 151 < 1373433732 111326 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :151) elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. < 1373433823 190288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise words to live by < 1373433837 113102 :Rig!~bahair@147.226.90.84 QUIT :Quit: ejecting warp core < 1373433931 445391 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373434459 255087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh boy i thnk i better put on some eye protection cuz half of a transistor shot off and hit my window < 1373434473 207252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Oh, it's very home-made, and still a bit work-in-progress. E.g. the pitch control (for taking multi-row shots) works by loosening/tightening the top screw with a hex key (from some IKEA furniture, I think) and a small wrench; I was going to drill some more holes so that I could lock it to pre-set positions with a pin. < 1373434473 357738 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373434478 671428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Also the mine lake stage photo on the Flickr page (p1180390-437) has some visible seams at the walkway leading to the stage; the panohead worked just fine, but the floating stage itself kept floating around, not much it can do about that. < 1373434478 821767 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373434545 981261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow i have that same problem < 1373434656 898603 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1373435022 458884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan. Ho, er, Jan. < 1373435118 38940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ho < 1373438262 604185 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373438607 624250 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373438690 727772 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still internally debating whether to email Ian Stewart about further reading or not < 1373438704 488927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it come on < 1373438709 394674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emailing smart people is great < 1373438783 269881 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at it! < 1373438845 595175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably just get a form response gees < 1373438850 104678 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with Bike < 1373438870 508416 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could ask Phantom_Hoover to track him down < 1373438959 689591 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb->elliott ~ Phantom_Hoover -> Ian Stewart < 1373439010 195990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373439024 46757 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1373439067 500030 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if he plays Dwarf Fortress < 1373439425 452647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's Ian Stewart < 1373439635 701642 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mathematician and pop science author < 1373439685 298383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 Equations Guiltied to a Zegnatronic Rocket Society < 1373439705 604404 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his book on astrobiology was p. great < 1373439810 168189 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373439891 556430 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373440027 537207 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, define:zegnatronic < 1373440071 758878 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn zegnatronic < 1373440073 171839 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "zegnatronic". < 1373440097 168124 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373440106 989257 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah Nebster? < 1373440155 587810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :word invented by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chu < 1373440211 23491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373440223 238999 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373440264 417492 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i found a pretty good "stupid future" thing < 1373440272 215341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with Frank Cho < 1373440272 809674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember back when bin laden was assassinated and that one guy tweeted it? < 1373440281 939214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this writing style reminds me of zzo38 a bit but not a lot: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=CAOsGNSQ4dEn%2B_k4iSwiPDgjYzzpOgVogYxmH99nugjX5OvkzPg%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=yaml-core < 1373440305 647547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not very zzo38y < 1373440327 351245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is training to be a forensic expert in distinguishing real zzo38 writings from forgeries < 1373440362 786499 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A noble cause < 1373440372 972589 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzitings < 1373440408 982513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't remember < 1373440433 366540 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well < 1373440458 371005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1 am. (is rare event)" "Go away helicopter before I get my giant swatter" < 1373440461 376427 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1373440476 799383 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(referring to the SEAL copters, not that he knew that) < 1373440487 357140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were... stealth < 1373440498 26338 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :four of them were but they brought some bigger ones too < 1373440504 168748 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373440506 63949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that kind of defeat the point < 1373440509 45770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause that's how stealth works < 1373440513 17892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had the stealth ones land first < 1373440514 717634 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when C. Julius Caesar was assassinated and some guy tweeted about it < 1373440528 19059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY since tweets are precisely timed, pakistan's investigatory commission quotes his tweets in their report < 1373440531 925922 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calls him the most reliable witness < 1373440556 780198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more reliable than one of the bodyguards' wives, or a neighbor who the SEALs tied up < 1373440582 344323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a cryptocurrency which uses twitter as a timestamping service < 1373440588 308360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can't get much more reliable than having a twitter. < 1373440602 798718 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other witnesses are seriously bad, it's kind of great < 1373440620 292863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you should follow me on twitter < 1373440620 956648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some random soldier who happened to be nearby, obviously making shit up to justify not going to look < 1373440637 27852 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo tweet about illegal military operations first. < 1373440682 524709 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i really don't get about the helicopters is that one of them crashed < 1373440687 351960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like, kind of a pretty bad fuckup < 1373440699 207768 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're a hundred miles into semi-enemy territory? < 1373440759 16434 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Commission noticed that he produced no evidence of his statements and accordingly no weight could be given to his assertions" sample quote re other witnesses < 1373441153 170486 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373441391 309301 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, elliott: yeah, it was black hawks and then chinooks. < 1373441412 319435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how stealthy are stealth helicopters really < 1373441420 279717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it seems pretty hard to hide a helicopter < 1373441437 17898 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they flew really low to the ground and knew where the radar stations were < 1373441462 460689 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, yeah, seems like kind of a fuckup n the part of the pakistani military. < 1373441464 179815 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use a jeep or so < 1373441469 635369 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwthing < 1373441472 207420 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1373441546 580135 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have you seen pakistan < 1373441557 701766 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda hilly < 1373441615 668870 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mum I < 1373441619 795698 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373441626 546233 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to live there < 1373441657 683395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the north or near islamabad? < 1373441702 318400 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, really north, i guess :V < 1373441726 528464 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karachi, I think < 1373441732 888829 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373441831 292679 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without typos I would have said, "My mum used to live there" < 1373441845 805538 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought that was "My mum & I" < 1373441873 288206 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, my phone keyboard is annoying < 1373441924 802262 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was where my mum learnt to speak Italian < 1373441938 558106 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373442201 739539 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373442238 41844 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373442378 881989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning to speak italian in pakistan, aha < 1373442395 334662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: your family has a strange relationship to countries hth < 1373442675 378738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you an embassy kid? < 1373442753 739785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume you no longer are because, hexham) < 1373442772 549123 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke about hexham not being part of england < 1373442874 536368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well also you are no longer a kid, come to think of it. damn you people grow fast.) < 1373442898 997906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow oerjan doesn't know about the hexham embassies < 1373442910 825911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1373442936 773720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it would be a fine place for unexpected embassies, men of black style < 1373442943 629508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*men in black < 1373442997 26567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait this is why elliott and Taneb can never meet: one of them is an alien. now we just have to find out which one. < 1373443042 251925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also whichever it is, i'd like a lift off planet, thank you) < 1373443177 276136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both aliens hth < 1373443216 209382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait Taneb was a goat? < 1373443271 166676 :AndroUser2!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373443285 47581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you the one in http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=392 < 1373443293 205071 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1373443312 445002 :AndroUser2!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1373443398 427868 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not an embassy kid. My gramdfather worked for some NGO making a dam in Pakistan when my mum was a child. < 1373443505 732 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The project was managed by an Italian company < 1373443509 89681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1373443620 673079 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad was an australian I T contractor who moved to the UK looking for work where he met my mum < 1373443675 850878 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His parents had emigrated to Australia from the Netherlands in the fifties for reasons I forget < 1373443743 391928 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mum's mum was born in California because her dad had a job managing a paint factory there. < 1373443767 479515 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them claimed US citizenship. < 1373443812 747640 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a lot of the weird stuff in my family relating to countries < 1373443847 14745 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have skipped the bit about Ghana because < 1373443856 567354 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know enough < 1373443874 731053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you were doing so well until that last bit :P < 1373443963 683796 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was similar to Pakistan except my mum hadn't been born yet and I think it was with the military < 1373444052 787009 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are rumours of Spanish ancestors on my mum's side and Sri Lankan on my dad's side < 1373444085 540798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds to me like Taneb is the alien < 1373444110 18040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah that's quite implausibly complicated for an earthling < 1373444190 15974 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gran has lived on every continent bar south america and antarctica < 1373444237 737591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of continent bars. < 1373444319 643977 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush < 1373444567 849658 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am proud to be the creator of the esolang with the longest name < 1373444623 809931 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :longer than the maximum length of a wiki title? < 1373444650 116378 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No b because that would be stupid < 1373444679 895889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download? < 1373444693 722122 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not be impressed unless it is longer than the maximum length of a wiki page < 1373444715 12405 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nay, longer than the number of atoms in the known universe < 1373444734 897984 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1373444738 429739 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but yeah a mouthful to pronounce would also be p. good. < 1373444753 855875 :impomatic!~chatzilla@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373444755 662020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really the esolang with the longest name? < 1373444764 639757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds that difficult to believe. < 1373444772 473447 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked < 1373444806 659274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch < 1373444817 761900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly shorter than that < 1373444835 89126 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is longer than Compiler Language With No Pronouncable Acronym < 1373444880 895289 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in pronouncable < 1373444900 667204 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just add schwas everywhere < 1373444971 742936 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1373445014 757632 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373445047 434123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the welsh just laugh at the idea that clwnpa is unpronouncable. < 1373445080 248120 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1373445428 485535 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373446365 856257 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'm stealing a patch of yours for NetHack 4. How would you like to be credited? < 1373448079 801535 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1373448431 152785 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via money transfer thanks < 1373448638 163913 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The pirate stole a patch" < 1373448728 59325 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After applying the patch, he placed a hook in a patchy tomcat" < 1373448833 859138 :impomatic!~chatzilla@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373448875 953888 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373449433 664050 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the unidentification patch. Wow, there are more strstrs in here than I remember. < 1373449848 927741 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373450019 298901 :impomatic!~chatzilla@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Client Quit < 1373450273 284932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373450273 787425 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373450758 813499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: invoking the book < 1373450771 185919 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :required for permablind < 1373451087 940098 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373451441 914303 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn there are real alien nazis http://www.alienandufopictures.com/ufo_pictures.html < 1373451457 665309 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-! < 1373451489 610479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome johnny57 < 1373451493 106918 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0210j12ohnny57: Welcom04e to 14the international h14ub for esoteric progr12amming languag14e design and de14ployment14!11 10F02or more in06f14or03mation, c07he12c05k out our wiki: http://13esolangs.org/wiki/Ma13i02n_P11age. (Fo06r the other kind of esoteri04c05a, t04ry10 #esoteric on irc.d13al.ne08t.) < 1373451798 1874 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1373451900 270322 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373451958 414209 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373452199 822113 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, you might want to change one of the lines in oracles.txt when you apply the patch. For, you know, the people who still visit the Oracle and stuff. < 1373452264 286481 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If thou maintainest the utmost calm, thy safety will be aided greatly, but beware lest thy clumsy feet scuff the inscription, cancelling its potence." < 1373452411 935521 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wisheth that the Oracle spake with less platitudinal bullshit < 1373452471 446608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote platitud < 1373452471 597143 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: "use the right platitude for the job" < 1373452862 162272 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373453202 973519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1373454105 31256 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373454143 519612 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest17879 < 1373454189 503022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373454571 563463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373454694 956703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373454854 521017 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373455362 40722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373455669 973082 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373455678 247433 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373455704 757002 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373455735 450362 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma PART :#esoteric < 1373456757 486597 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373457187 739723 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373457654 901081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.develop-online.net/news/44746/Valves-perfect-hiring-hierarchy-has-hidden-management-clique-like-High-School < 1373457663 171568 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel weirdly validated. < 1373458993 629728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh? < 1373459435 32517 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, all the Valve handbook stuff etc. always annoyed me; they're far too proud of themselves for 'eliminating' the usual problems with institutional hierarchies. < 1373459483 991933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up Valve handbook < 1373459489 633484 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373459507 736368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373460259 771621 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373460492 828676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373460619 212221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373461802 606009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a moment there I was thinking about regular, you know, valves. < 1373461815 744712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably books about valves. < 1373461833 206117 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373462555 216865 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373462571 335665 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373462972 496901 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1373462977 817633 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373462978 630625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373462978 933032 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373462979 84763 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373463730 846586 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373463751 20554 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373463751 171081 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373464044 410927 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373464101 490410 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to see Osbourne House today < 1373464234 917511 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was pretty good < 1373464335 246418 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jul 09 22:56:44 hackego uses hg < 1373464335 452124 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jul 09 22:56:49 because Gregor is kind of a weirdo < 1373464342 760842 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like 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:ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ttzexkhnbdqalchj QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373466026 342824 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used e4ward to make myself a totally spam free universe and now I want to sign up for random crap online just so I can shoot down some spam :( < 1373466454 474923 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373467097 564199 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmexuawhppjkcqwg JOIN :#esoteric < 1373467139 419041 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk JOIN :#esoteric < 1373467466 313135 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373468680 907439 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-10-210.as13285.net NICK :Guest8492 < 1373468682 773414 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Guest28572 < 1373468682 978967 :sacje!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :Guest90495 < 1373468724 447794 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373468838 188480 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-250-66.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373469475 407069 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-129-27.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373469583 352988 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373469638 242726 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-250-66.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373470244 263230 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373470490 619275 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have got to do stop napping when I am bored < 1373470714 401800 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373470861 282461 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1373471156 88603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :napping is great. you should try not to be bored, but you should still nap sometimes :D < 1373471192 197341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. < 1373471225 393915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :napping is wonderful < 1373471240 42183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :napping is great and good for your brains. unbore yourself with physical exercise, enjoy the weather, the cute Finland TREES and DOGS. < 1373471240 419988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhelloily1 < 1373471942 328990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: will people eventually realize that UNIX is horrible? or democracy? < 1373472249 407287 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1373472493 837091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not convinced. < 1373473029 925502 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I don't have Finland dogs nearby < 1373473396 58008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do have Finland trees, then? < 1373473770 624329 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-65.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373473850 189293 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-15.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373474057 464154 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no! :'( < 1373474289 939096 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373474484 367457 :Guest28572!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373474659 392629 :Suchorski!regex@unaffiliated/suchorski JOIN :#esoteric < 1373474903 132902 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373476095 728254 :Guest28572!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373477743 468925 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1373478823 274664 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373478924 784943 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373479054 708011 :Guest28572!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1373480593 422172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I clicked on a link and all pages of that website crashed in chrome. That is across all the tabs that were open on that page. < 1373480930 971807 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't chrome supposed to have completely isolated tabs, where one crash can't propagate as a tribble infestation among everything? < 1373480946 661070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several tabs per process < 1373481162 465098 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several chromes, with several process, with several tabs, with several goats, then it's turtles all the way to the kernel. < 1373482002 676842 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373482126 732019 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373482205 77994 :Guest17879!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott < 1373482661 187913 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1373482783 618416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: hi! < 1373482844 779234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, OpenStreetMap tabs in Chromium have a habit of crashing if left unattended. < 1373482849 104474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what's up with that. < 1373482909 928461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. lambdabot is silent again. what about fungot? < 1373482932 54694 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah! I need my fungot fix! < 1373483098 292072 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :shachaf < 1373483135 403017 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How To Crack Open a Coconut http://youtu.be/M0S8RlFuaVo < 1373483152 13275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods fizzie with a rubber cuttlefish "ME WANT FUNGOT!" < 1373483172 971554 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tervetuloa hth < 1373483177 325361 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found < 1373483184 195677 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Seems to work fine. < 1373483268 334981 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: :'( < 1373483367 789507 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: where are my services < 1373483402 705706 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swallowed them, sorry. < 1373483654 706885 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: did you know your irc client prefixes ops with a @ < 1373483701 571193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm stitching those Otaniemi pictures, and there's one (almost-)full-globe where the zenith images are of completely clear blue sky. Surprisingly, there are some problems defining control points for the blue rectangles. < 1373483715 78113 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was a great revelation. < 1373483770 414209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed" huh < 1373483782 90853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SSH port forward message.) < 1373483782 297959 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373483858 15077 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alternative way to crack open a coconut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCZRnB3VFg < 1373483873 546847 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1373483875 460870 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should have given more information. Something like “channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed” < 1373483883 302952 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hirefly < 1373483908 82932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hah < 1373483913 529445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1373483915 83792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1373483926 239036 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-129-27.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373483945 683567 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also you can easily turn off port forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config < 1373483951 182120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess that is what happened < 1373483991 900701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty pointless since you could write your own daemon on the other end to do port forwarding for you < 1373484037 422798 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373484079 562337 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi :D < 1373484080 367147 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and we all will be well invested. get a backtrace, at least in the chicken hash table implementation < 1373484132 275151 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373486128 308678 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1373486402 647864 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com NICK :Guest21998 < 1373486404 552974 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest68635 < 1373486448 775540 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :Guest31415 < 1373486529 370975 :Guest68635!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott < 1373486558 400344 :Guest31415!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1373486628 271146 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest24565 < 1373486647 542206 :Guest24565!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1373486657 836473 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1373486678 198502 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1373486865 798827 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373486939 937036 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead NICK :conehead < 1373487175 731865 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373487217 249127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Flickr'd those things: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/sets/72157634561814470/ (As for the almost-globe, just decided to drop the sky images for now; they're not all that terribly interesting, in the end.) < 1373487420 504002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that that very large scale model of the solar system? < 1373487438 792533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No, it's a set of random panoramic pictures. Unless I linked to the wrong set. < 1373487438 999512 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373487439 204618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a set of the solar system model, too.) < 1373487455 337207 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373487522 688845 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373487557 275363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I've wondered, re that model; is the Neptune model -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/9033742967/ -- trying to show some kind of surface features, or is it just flaky paint? < 1373487573 444482 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surreptitiously clicked on your usernamef to see what other pictures you had. < 1373487648 923330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used the Flickr account much, since I have a local Gallery2 installation for sharing vacation pics with relatives with. < 1373487837 225755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that model, is that in Finland? < 1373487858 155669 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is one in Sweden that covers most of Sweden, with the Globen Statium in Stockholm being the sun. < 1373487890 600917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Finland, and it's smaller than that. < 1373487909 3225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:10^9 in scale, so the Sun is about a metre and a half, or something like that. < 1373487936 250442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all the planets are in the Helsinki/Espoo area, it's a nice (20-or-so km) bike ride to go through them all. < 1373487938 364845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the sun? can't find the image < 1373487961 747272 :Guest8492!~freefull@host-92-30-10-210.as13285.net QUIT : < 1373487970 859229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or is that the thing on the pole? < 1373487971 64560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the silly sphere -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/9033733679/ < 1373487973 841086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373487982 196867 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-10-210.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373487985 726276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that you should be able to see it from all of the planets. < 1373487989 428089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice panoramas anyway < 1373487995 356948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't entirely work, due to trees and so on.) < 1373487998 619392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373488008 968133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you say they were in a 20 km area or so? < 1373488021 12517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you need binoculars for the planets further away, yes. < 1373488032 821457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a 20 km round trip. I don't know what the furthest distance is. < 1373488042 929043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not in a line then < 1373488059 165566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess they can't be in line due to some of the orbital resonances < 1373488108 147446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alignment of the planets might not correspond to any particular date, it's possible they've just put it where they found good locations. < 1373488108 684414 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373488124 409334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pluto's (this predates the demotion) apparently about 6.1 km away from the Sun. < 1373488215 944876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/eYwGR here's the GPS log for the trip those photos were taken at. < 1373488425 96957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is annoying that some apps seem to not be aware of dual monitors and open in the middle, and some open properly on one or the other monitor < 1373488429 60294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea what could cause that < 1373488491 583905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decades of history, I suppose. (Or in more detail, maybe non-Xinerama-aware code that manually queries screen extents and sets window position, instead of letting the window manager position it?) < 1373488568 206206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall any examples offhand that'd open in the middle. (Though this is a tiling wm, so apps that don't get floated due to fixed-size windows or whatnot would be tiled anyway.) < 1373488588 756061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hugin's splash screen in this case < 1373488598 405899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that annoying < 1373488600 966081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just weird < 1373488603 850608 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373488614 371164 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-10-210.as13285.net NICK :Guest71082 < 1373488650 574067 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373488658 417061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious; it opens in the center of the currently focused monitor, for me. (X is such a mess, though.) < 1373488697 869029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373488727 429325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you bought the current humble bundle? Ebook one? < 1373488734 439492 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-15.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373488762 815312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did. < 1373488771 442259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just added some new stuff < 1373488778 468391 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373488779 315635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I bought the previous one (Android #6). Though with very little money, since it wasn't all that interesting. < 1373488807 523166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the current one just now, due to the new stuff they added < 1373488812 129043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was planning to skip it otherwise < 1373488821 85632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I kept feeling guilty about giving them so little amount of money, even though the alternative would've been to give them nothing. < 1373488965 247873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Hugin, I can't figure out what the user-local directory for Python plugins is. http://hugin.sourceforge.net/releases/2011.2.0/en.shtml says "Moreover, plugins can be written, modified, customized in the user's own directory" but I haven't found any page that'd say what that directory is. (Or bothered to source-dive yet.) < 1373489005 761056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote a small script to set the initial rough positions to what they tend to be after taking shots with the panohead.) < 1373489147 34817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use are those scripts? < 1373489203 417404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tried the new 2013.0.0 beta yet? They "streamlined" the UI, making it god-awful for the stuff I typically do. (Custom optimization configurations) < 1373489222 649688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only read about it on the wiki so far. < 1373489226 11879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went back to the 2012.0.0 version instead < 1373489228 732926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was that bad < 1373489243 820264 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did. < 1373489249 899427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, your opinion? < 1373489265 253950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I read, the "Expert" interface sounded reasonably similar to the old Hugin, but no, haven't tried it yet. < 1373489291 305010 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also my up arrow. < 1373489293 52118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "Advanced" or "Expert", I'm not quite sure what their difference is. < 1373489295 403650 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373489310 463384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'm not familiar with that terminology? < 1373489326 284440 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373489328 685684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the expert interface was the one I was describing. The simple one is utterly useless < 1373489358 406215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm'k. < 1373489624 371265 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373489635 417247 :impomatic!~john_metc@46.208.115.220 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373489636 45698 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373489636 45731 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373489636 45762 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373489795 722388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Another slightly photography-related topic: turns out the N900 is reasonably usable for taking time-lapse shots (my regular camera doesn't have that functionality, and isn't computer-controllable; the old 2-mpix Canon that was I gave away); with a suitable gstreamer pipeline it can take, encode and wifi-send full-frame (2576x1936) jpegs at a bit over 1 fps, or 1920x1440-crop-to-1080p ... < 1373489802 23018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... images (for videoing) at about 2.2 fps. (Could perhaps go faster over usb-net as opposed to poor-signal-strength wifi.) < 1373489929 233459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373489950 673048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess I could use my own phone for that, what with the somewhat better camera than that < 1373490015 324175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm are there any color eink displays out yet? < 1373490021 570389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they are in the works as it were < 1373490030 472623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour* < 1373490053 949895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, how good are they? < 1373490058 545795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the up arrow on my keyboard, it searchs through previous replies. < 1373490058 902969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's been some commercial products already, but nothing mainstream. < 1373490067 47506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but time to go eat. I'm autodigesting myself. < 1373490069 766580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1373490072 445301 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373490106 914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jetbook.net/ <- like that < 1373490119 204679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says it's "first ever", but you never know. < 1373490142 728758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm < 1373490178 388724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sadly, my Jetbook Color 2 arrived yesterday and the new screen for the most part is not visibly different from the screen on the original Jetbook Color. < 1373490181 338617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the blacks are darker, and the colors are a little brighter, but unfortunately E-ink’s second-gen color E-ink screen has the same gray base color as the previous screen. It is a gray that is so dark that the original Kindle actually has a whiter screen." < 1373490185 350177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reviews: not so good. < 1373490204 424757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373490222 226942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So time to wait a year or so before getting an e-reader < 1373490381 966746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it works by having a static RGBW kind-of-like-Bayer-pattern filter on top of the black-and-white screen, so the subpixels of a full-white pixel are still (the brightest possible) white, red, green and blue, so the overall effect is gray. < 1373490475 778014 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373490692 438414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for some reason I get the unlock dialog on the non-primary monitor hm < 1373490733 793079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get mine on the screen the cursor was on when I locked it. < 1373490897 895058 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373491052 363623 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373491053 901387 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373491054 106547 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373491054 106655 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373491054 106732 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373491054 106774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373491075 694628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I will have to investigate that that wasn't the case < 1373491890 459218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you are right, that was what happened < 1373492367 360667 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373492681 97160 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373493805 635286 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373495834 125958 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373496233 395165 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373496233 600553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373496313 878889 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373497512 256086 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373497789 611384 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373498707 704994 :Guest71082!~freefull@host-92-30-10-210.as13285.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373498707 949919 :Guest71082!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373498717 52627 :Guest71082!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1373498812 785293 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373498978 630286 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373499087 239000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what the new thinkpad keyboards are like < 1373499144 942100 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably still got Fn at bottom left < 1373499280 589320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an X1 Carbon with the new-style keyboard and it's fine < 1373499285 15592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels at least as good as the old style < 1373499313 882462 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1373499320 769943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were always tweaking the mechanism on the old style keyboards, anyway < 1373499335 963074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this isn't some unprecedented shift in terms of mechanism, just appearance < 1373499372 330991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, thank god for that! < 1373499383 569101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's missing SysRq and a few other keys, but there are secret Fn combos for them < 1373499391 375151 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they include a BIOS option these days to put Ctrl there < 1373499395 143504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I haven't heard of this new keyboard, what is the difference? < 1373499396 234146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I didn't get magic SysRq to work < 1373499401 627571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: oh I heard about that < 1373499410 724881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the true location of Ctrl is to the left of 'a' ;P < 1373499421 720532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :capslock ctrl is uncomfortable :( < 1373499426 314284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1373499428 724173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why < 1373499435 14132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.lenovo.com/shop/WW/products/splitter/notebooks/ThinkPad/X-Series/gallery/ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Laptop-PC-Overhead-Keyboard-View-4L-940x475.jpg < 1373499435 575770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on your hands I bet < 1373499444 346913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dropped a row of keys and added space between the keys < 1373499453 57799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the thinkpad diehards were like NOOOOO YOU MONSTERS < 1373499453 325717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my little finger doesn't like holding down the key in that position < 1373499454 171414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, blasphemy! There is space between the keys < 1373499456 876517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, it feels fine < 1373499457 82538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that < 1373499460 928814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :messes up the distances < 1373499466 520022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't agree < 1373499475 270561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok to clarify when I asked my question I already knew Vorpal would hate it < 1373499478 469997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need to switch between normal PC keyboards, old laptop keyboards and thinkpads < 1373499490 762392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a really issue if the spacing change < 1373499491 577744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that too < 1373499492 381849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine < 1373499495 945839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can feel the edges between keys < 1373499500 484082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really run into issues with spaced keyboards < 1373499502 779365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I will accept that you and I are different human beings < 1373499521 1394 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries it, it feels awkward but maybe that's just habit? < 1373499521 713987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that is not the issue, I can't handle *scale* changes to keyboards very well. < 1373499524 746349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: xah lee sez http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html but of course that is subject to xah lee being crazy < 1373499542 441783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though his reasons make sense to me < 1373499550 537851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get used to any, but since I switch so much I can't really get used to any that is far from the averagte < 1373499552 883879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :average* < 1373499563 581965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I might do is swap ctrl and alt < 1373499571 952703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they used to be in opposite positions on very old IBM keyboards < 1373499584 194112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or Alt was the standard keyboard shortcut modifier rather than Ctrl, so it was effectively swapped < 1373499592 537183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they moved pgup/pgdown too? < 1373499593 543472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alt seems to be in a nicer position to hit regularly < 1373499593 749141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373499606 19095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, and got rid of the page forward / page back browser keys < 1373499611 108046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess macs effectively do that because cmd is where alt is on PC keyboards < 1373499642 992534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm, this is the thinkpad layout I'm used to: https://www.dropbox.com/s/24aswje7idgwoo3/20120729_111221.jpg < 1373499686 936872 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I used the forward/back keys for switching between terminal tabs in the terminal emulator < 1373499688 149225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1373499691 678477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that pgup/pgdown positioning looks a bit awkward < 1373499702 922569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not like it really matters < 1373499723 145662 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current keyboard has pgup and pgdn as FN-home and FN-end < 1373499725 289965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a little od < 1373499726 93991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*odd < 1373499729 843100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a keyboard with pgup/pgdown replacing some of the duplicate modifier keys on the right for a while, that was pretty nice actually < 1373499747 459681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like that the esc key is no longer above F1, that used to trip me up going between my laptop and desktops < 1373499756 927123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one actual improvement < 1373499786 6331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use Ctrl-[ for esc usually < 1373499789 383230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, quite odd yes < 1373499792 712619 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373499796 577396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does that work across the board? < 1373499801 292779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where is your [? < 1373499806 462430 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373499811 637282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me that would be ctrl-altgr-8 < 1373499812 757275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the key labeled _- on qwerty < 1373499814 568087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just silly < 1373499815 160365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I will look into thinkpads I guess < 1373499820 316535 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/zna27l.jpg this one is mine < 1373499821 388657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works in standard terminals < 1373499830 564233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, next to right shift? < 1373499839 145015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no two left of backspace < 1373499841 362025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wow colourful < 1373499842 37066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, getting a new computer? < 1373499850 852058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works because the ESC character *is* Ctrl-[ in ASCII < 1373499853 527517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in theory < 1373499853 733118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, okay, not where it is on Swedish qwerty then! < 1373499872 745893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way I've been "getting a new computer" for years but this time my current setup is annoying enough that I might actually do it < 1373499878 974911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mine's purple though < 1373499879 241054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl = - 0x40 < 1373499883 299739 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you customize the colors < 1373499888 146011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, I got a new monitor recently < 1373499890 569420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how utterly shocking < 1373499893 259904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I have a dual monitor setup now < 1373499923 464778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops with number pads make me sad though :( < 1373499926 685820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk102/hihihehe_ace/20120621_175804.jpg like that < 1373499930 203999 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a purple one < 1373499934 218290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :means your hand is always going to be to the left < 1373499937 334286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a 24" 16:10 IPS. Dell UltraSharp 2412M. It actually is not too expensive for being an IPS. Good price/performance < 1373499939 614285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hands are < 1373499958 301879 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm not sure it's necessary really... I do like that the keyboard is smaller (width-wise) though because of the pad though < 1373500022 76545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have a UltraSharp 2410 at work, that is more than twice as expensive, for a 8 bits + 2 bits of AFRC and wide gamut, instead of 6 bits + 2 bits of AFRC and sRGB. < 1373500022 281885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that |\ key < 1373500024 692986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in the weirdest place < 1373500034 695323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait there's two??? < 1373500039 286171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there an extra one next to the space bar < 1373500076 568430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is strange < 1373500095 433199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you are getting a laptop? < 1373500097 161772 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373500131 504257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Are you planning on coding much on it? Or what will the main purpose be? < 1373500150 510431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as much as I code currently :P < 1373500154 257627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that I work more efficiently with really big screen estate, such as dual 24" < 1373500164 95071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that is true for everyone, or if it is just me < 1373500181 863919 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual screens is even nicer, makes having two maximised windows really nice < 1373500185 198456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ok with small screens < 1373500198 55309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do much fancy in terms of coding environment anyway < 1373500203 692324 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1373500224 455268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have started feeling cramped with just a single monitor. You get used to the dual screens really quickly. < 1373500228 39061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though high-PPI would be nice, the software support in linux seems to make that a waste of time for now < 1373500233 48422 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had tripple screens for a bit. That was *really* nice. < 1373500295 974354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2x 24" 16:10 + 16:9 powerhouse laptop in dock at work. Really nice.) < 1373500365 422179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, high ppi is nice, but I don't recall linux having problems with that hm? < 1373500384 755166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know windows can't handle mixed low and high ppi screens well < 1373500394 849368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume linux could in theory? < 1373500415 651865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's about application support < 1373500426 960642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1373500430 851690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the size of existing graphics etc. < 1373500448 387762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mostly everything use pango to render text these days anyway? < 1373500458 433412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like OS X's handling of the retina stuff is really good and just scaling up the X11 PPI setting isn't going to be remotely as effective for now < 1373500459 44945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there tends to be SVG icons < 1373500459 506301 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS THE VOICES ARE ON TO US THEY KNOW WE CAN HEAR THEM < 1373500467 859669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: ??? < 1373500540 571505 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373500550 144151 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, is there any laptop with a non-straight keyboard? Ergonomic I mean < 1373500565 960388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not as extreme as a MS natural or such, but somewhat < 1373500622 820077 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373500623 624719 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey are there keyboards you can put on the palm of your hands? < 1373500675 799737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, I guess you could strap on the datahand and it would still work? < 1373500685 897649 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are keyer gloves... < 1373500694 280415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1373500738 312569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, how do they work? Do you end up looking really futuristic while using them < 1373500758 520454 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a chorded keyboard, as far as i know < 1373500763 958825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aee < 1373500765 337105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww* < 1373500798 450168 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy who uses his regular keyboard as chorded, maybe i can ask him < 1373500798 655908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.keyglove.net/ <-- this one looks like a prototype hm < 1373500816 158856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there seem to be other ones < 1373500823 510814 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't think any of them are on sale or nuthin < 1373500828 447004 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because noone cares < 1373500836 680037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where i link the datahand < 1373500838 296483 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's open-source so it must be good < 1373500850 83323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, http://www.amazon.com/The-PEREGRINE-Wearable-Interface-Medium/dp/B0035HABMM < 1373500850 421440 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id3GQHXVjQY this is basically the opposite of futuristic < 1373500853 444681 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1373500860 17951 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can you wire a keyglove to a pair of google glasses, and, you know, be *cool* < 1373500860 554140 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh don't talk back to me vorpal < 1373500862 346787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I already mentioned the datahand above < 1373500869 166260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, XD < 1373500881 548314 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing about wearable computers is that people have been saying they look stupid since before the web < 1373500901 721094 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimized for WoW, DotA, League of Legends, StarCraft 2 < 1373500905 802091 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rest my case. < 1373500907 227126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373500908 551901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373500915 796490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and possibly sound stupid if you are using voice control < 1373500924 158821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google glass, take a picture" < 1373500935 187635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that in public might not be such a smart idea < 1373500936 598108 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid and/or hallucinating. < 1373500943 462551 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can't use this thing as a keyboard. < 1373500952 119230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but < 1373500956 68603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, google search lied to me < 1373500961 260275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people are used to talking to nobody at this point < 1373500967 191472 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point. < 1373500970 137225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that handsfree stuff exists < 1373500981 155422 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics is being exist again whyyyyy < 1373500989 728751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's being exist < 1373500994 16348 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1373500994 820906 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being exist: truly the worst curse < 1373500995 628648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like everything else < 1373500998 309579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists < 1373500998 806011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id3GQHXVjQY this is basically the opposite of futuristic <-- yes, and it looks very hot too < 1373501001 793778 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, people talking in the phone with a handfree set already look stupid < 1373501005 545202 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i'm just not going to fix it < 1373501029 418589 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "hot", I think you mean "optimized for arctic use". think like a marketer < 1373501030 954260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, even more so if bluetooth so there is no visible cable < 1373501041 144693 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1373501048 858343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, eh I have gloves like that. So not arctic. Just Nordic < 1373501057 164987 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know I keep thinking they're talking to me < 1373501060 119416 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure nordland is in the arctic. < 1373501072 36086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norrland yes < 1373501082 334502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the south of Sweden where I live < 1373501091 452171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not arctic climate here < 1373501100 309066 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey I was at a bar earlier today < 1373501115 428895 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just realize that Koen_ < 1373501117 628809 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted a beer and the waiter told us what kind of beers he had < 1373501122 649394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it would be arctic climate if it wasn't for the gulf ocean stream, which carries hot water up here < 1373501132 189290 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he had affligem, and when he said it it sounded like "african" < 1373501147 319525 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know, African beer? I had never tried that before so I asked for one < 1373501161 273789 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only drink asian beer < 1373501200 897054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I know it's not quite what they were thinking of but "hand keyboard" makes me think of these things < 1373501203 839719 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ulva.com/images/maltron-right-hand785x581.jpg < 1373501208 449861 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I just wanted to share that african beer was a myth < 1373501241 584345 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crappy myth < 1373501255 400290 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I have no idea what position my hand is expected to be in to type on that < 1373501276 145081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm.. "On a typical PC keyboard of today, the Caps Lock is pressed by the weakest finger pinky. The Ctrl key can be easily pressed with palm.", I just tried, on a laptop with ctrl outmost (nope), on my MS Natural (hell no) and on a standard straight PS/2 keyboard (not really without hitting other stuff, but least improbable of all the alternatives) < 1373501293 909822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your hands are gigantic or whatever < 1373501294 980935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1373501298 186538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373501299 465123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1373501304 91155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine aren't :P < 1373501314 200194 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairyhands elliot < 1373501323 297396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ##electronics is not "kmc social values approved" < 1373501326 816704 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck presses ctrl with the palm < 1373501330 32321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :press the ctrl key with your palm? @_@ < 1373501331 117507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should have made that clear before < 1373501332 530612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though again I find hitting alt with thumb most comfortable < 1373501335 616517 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl is 100% a pinky key < 1373501341 880911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do ctrl-i with one hand on a MS Natural, awkward and not possible without turning myself yes, but that is the span < 1373501344 69800 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt is thumb yes < 1373501346 481622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to move my entire hand over to do that < 1373501363 574685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, exactly < 1373501369 840237 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it was obvious within two minutes of going in. still quite irritating < 1373501389 352426 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics sounds bad < 1373501392 395214 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you press anything with your palm. < 1373501402 712324 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ko....en..... < 1373501408 139909 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1373501409 13319 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah < 1373501409 746618 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name < 1373501419 397863 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guest of christmas past has come for you, koen < 1373501431 280539 :Guest21998!~Phantom@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373501431 486324 :Guest21998!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373501432 885720 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do < 1373501436 633643 :Guest21998!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1373501444 711139 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, you said that thing < 1373501445 653110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I suspect you could reliably hit space with the lower part of your palm (though not on a laptop or ultraflat), but what would the point be < 1373501449 605289 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about voices < 1373501452 588112 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373501463 532086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely possible on my MS Natural < 1373501485 367565 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some animal on the roof < 1373501493 81420 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the wall < 1373501502 285614 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're... talking? < 1373501502 943165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, it was good getting a split keyboard, turned out i was hitting g with the wrong hand before. < 1373501523 670955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, gnomes < 1373501538 813825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some such < 1373501557 592162 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont worry about "correct hand".. i often hit things with the wrong hand if it's easier to hit them that way the way my hands are situated < 1373501568 422520 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i just always hit them with the wrong hand id < 1373501576 767041 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1373501584 544830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with palm for ctrl I can't hit anything closer than the F keys with my fingers without them hurting < 1373501596 202382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my point is not that ctrl is in a good position really < 1373501601 109262 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it hurts my productivity or moral fibre < 1373501601 376132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that caps lock isn't in a good position either < 1373501601 581674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1373501609 753024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, that might be true < 1373501630 54870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where would you have it? I think I would actually suggest pedals for the modifiers < 1373501637 354815 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: or i just always hit them with the wrong hand idk <<< wouldn't that make it the right hand then? < 1373501643 912691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like I said the position of alt seems best for the main command modifier key < 1373501648 505491 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: left, actually < 1373501655 581991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I will swap alt and ctrl next time I am on non-OS X < 1373501657 458509 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right as in notwrong < 1373501673 348798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, say left foot down = ctrl, left foot forward = alt, right foot down = shift, right foot forward = altgr < 1373501688 630875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, why were you talking about voices < 1373501688 836263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't think foot pedals on a laptop is such a winning idea < 1373501692 112558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake < 1373501697 363744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes, that would be an issue < 1373501707 540997 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you hear them too? < 1373501720 185478 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373501725 548596 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1373501726 351661 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1373501729 647746 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some sort of stupid joke or < 1373501745 325775 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest peacefully, ph < 1373502243 287389 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373502258 681413 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373502748 336418 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/10/mod-trident-scotland-independence hahaha < 1373502786 361859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just let them have some nukes < 1373502788 236439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the big deal < 1373502802 572071 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't want them < 1373502813 632473 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the UK doesn't have a nuclear submarine patrolling at all times France will invade < 1373502820 377285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1373502895 314917 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we should keep them < 1373502902 544300 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'll be braveheart all over again < 1373505337 527558 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha rich! < 1373505352 481854 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the article < 1373505388 436526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome johnny57 < 1373505392 814895 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​05johnny085706: 13We13l14c08ome to the 09internati06onal hub for esoteric 05program03mi11ng language desig08n and deployme14nt!10 For mor05e02 06information, check out 13our wi11ki: htt09p://esolangs.o08rg/w11iki/M12ain_07Pa12ge. (For the12 o04ther kind of04 esoteric13a, try #esot14eric on irc.dal.net.) < 1373505499 105024 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason when i saw that text i thought of fruit polos < 1373505712 996719 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pblist < 1373505714 87258 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pblist: not found < 1373505714 373436 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`plist < 1373505715 177374 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: plist: not found < 1373505718 392913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blist < 1373505719 196290 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blist: not found < 1373505720 2406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`flist < 1373505720 843675 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: flist: not found < 1373505722 336439 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1373505723 728112 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia < 1373505736 30683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was sad < 1373505758 329948 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you and i not on that < 1373505801 353028 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have `alwllist < 1373505813 202995 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`alillist actually < 1373505814 544271 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: alillist: not found < 1373505816 687199 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaaah. < 1373505845 777403 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any strips after honk, phantom. < 1373505860 926394 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`allelelist < 1373505862 76185 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: allelelist: not found < 1373505881 602573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nobody told me when honk came out < 1373505981 469316 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitchhiker's_thumbs.jpg omg there's a name for this?) < 1373506046 179610 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funky < 1373506087 604548 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, tongue rolling *isn't* inheritable? < 1373506130 785274 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it just not Mendelian? < 1373506191 660531 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is little laboratory evidence supporting the hypothesis that tongue rolling is inheritable and dominant. A 1975 twin study found that identical twins were no more likely than fraternal twins to both have the same phenotype for tongue rolling." < 1373506203 879226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1373506243 941634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but earwax still is apparently? < 1373506261 91323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has the dominant gene yay < 1373506273 846115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the consequences of the dominant gene < 1373506280 216224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The musculature of the tongue is crazy btw() < 1373506290 521880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wet type is dominant and dry is recessive, it says? < 1373506295 801907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1373506301 17492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know which type of earwax i have < 1373506305 48590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe I would be happy not knowing < 1373506305 585590 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says that dry is mostly found in asians and native americans < 1373506306 662158 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1373506347 223157 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I got that from my dad, though it just says "more likely", so < 1373506368 345986 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess tongue rolling is a lot easier to show around in a bio class xD < 1373506381 537382 :Suchorski!regex@unaffiliated/suchorski QUIT : < 1373506394 846032 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! and there's the tasting "PTC" thing < 1373506480 847531 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can't exactly do much with ability to smell cyanide, or albinism < 1373506498 958439 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's tongue rolling? < 1373506509 997260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rolled_tongue_flikr.jpg < 1373506584 977230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slide8uuu.JPG < 1373506587 181246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew < 1373506620 392870 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can roll my tongue the other way < 1373506621 732240 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty gross ph < 1373508115 701949 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373508285 566793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373509191 861659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any compiled language can have BOFs" < 1373509196 800638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[buffer overflows] < 1373510265 808889 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373510626 215577 :Guest90495!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510627 703628 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510627 703782 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510628 335574 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510628 335754 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373510706 864858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are wrong on the internet < 1373510729 425892 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. < 1373510756 381528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sleeping tonight kmc < 1373510818 260927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I knew him IRL < 1373510820 27547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i have many techniques for not caring that people are wrong on the Internet < 1373510827 42933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, well, people are sometimes wrong IRL too < 1373510830 120230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a pen tester < 1373510832 31915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am frequently wrong anywhere < 1373510840 173325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ballpoint or fountain? < 1373510849 744219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etration < 1373510854 41170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best kind of pen < 1373510941 640568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pen 15 club < 1373510960 587400 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373510960 857236 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373510961 62478 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1373510977 534269 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently hume did a pretty good criticism of gofai. i'm thrill'd < 1373510991 744464 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1373511007 363602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a seagull basically hovering about 4 feet above the ground < 1373511010 852052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an updraft < 1373511016 587566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so skilled < 1373511030 141441 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds own, imo < 1373511042 736188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373511100 484205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seagulls will swoop down and take your food but they aim at a point away from you and change course at the last moment < 1373511105 43356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid tipping off others < 1373511201 996499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of mourning doves in my new neighborhood, which makes me happy < 1373511388 195479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → dim sum < 1373511436 596487 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that german for sleeping < 1373511845 808454 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373512516 603039 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373512541 238583 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't even know the difference between a compiled language and an interpreted one < 1373512591 35669 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiled languages are faster, duh < 1373512898 689347 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373513116 920780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"compiled into machine code that is directly executed by the OS/Processor" < 1373513117 992531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373513134 470612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't try a serious explanation < 1373513139 662589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't trying it < 1373513144 755191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was his explanation < 1373513152 637429 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373513157 615212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well it's dumb still < 1373513163 903443 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dumb, imo < 1373513185 998413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trivial languages that you make up to prove your points are irelivant < 1373513186 265854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373513234 451164 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey stop arguing with the wrong person < 1373513257 831742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1373513262 502066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About half an hour ago < 1373513268 196028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he had other things to do < 1373514778 263762 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373515157 16911 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373515521 554491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sticks out his tongue at those who say 8GB should be enough < 1373515528 110151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost reached that point earlier today < 1373515537 355145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two users logged in, a lot of work stuff and some home stuff < 1373515563 839369 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373515748 942054 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373516385 836334 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373516480 449769 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373516601 961767 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373516627 611332 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373516660 367495 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373517583 466108 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373517975 250812 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373518397 633212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373518657 88727 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373518858 668927 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373518988 934149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Phantom_Hoover seriously `pbflist? < 1373519037 849640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with him? < 1373519045 227311 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good questions < 1373519309 963196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1373519312 988948 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373519345 709743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you leave all the channels you used to be in!! < 1373519371 742622 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373519376 566345 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially #esoteric < 1373519386 203946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric isn't a real channel < 1373519395 653200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti........this was your cue........!!! < 1373519429 109606 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti isn't alive it can't understand you < 1373519431 376041 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not here < 1373519445 868626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycles aren't alive either < 1373519506 624774 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh dude i'm right here < 1373519507 697518 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude. < 1373519616 933300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it rude < 1373519660 821426 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373519677 659122 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone mention me? < 1373519705 518783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric did < 1373519708 237775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1373519716 151029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#uselessbot < 1373519720 232852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1373519758 957495 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a rewrite, doesn't have #esoteric but I can add it if you want < 1373519870 115213 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373519887 777953 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373519893 144374 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1373519893 412487 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1373520818 389563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that command ever intended to have a useful purpose? < 1373520826 903971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ^ < 1373520841 852013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373521058 456461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373521256 18023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh Gregor is not here, or is he hiding under another nick again < 1373521295 796991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see no sufficiently ridiculous ones :P < 1373521374 624021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks a couple obscure ones just in case < 1373521400 277307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Now playing Where's Gregor | <3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373521450 146392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-11 00:17:35 (EEST) -!- Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so has quit [*.net *.split] < 1373521888 597201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who got the infamous libc.so? < 1373521986 25454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY KNOWS < 1373521989 369115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they < 1373522186 432044 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1373522226 335103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373522293 929832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373522298 216701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes it < 1373522337 954788 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whois.domaintools.com/libc.so < 1373522345 936108 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tech Contact ID: mxm1148892775 < 1373522353 249453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: turns out i'll be meeting the people near the powell st bart at 19:00 < 1373522356 733000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373522362 95149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fine bart < 1373522419 147124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: "Contact ID: mxm1148892775 -- Internationalized Name: Marcel Meyer -- Internationalized Organization: levelsystems -- Internationalized Street: Siedlungsstrasse 6c -- Internationalized City: Erding -- Internationalized Country: DE -- Email: marcel.meyer@levelsystems.de " < 1373522441 320935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :germany is quite the internationalized country < 1373522445 151143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:bart = en:moustache, hth < 1373522446 222943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what sort of people are they < 1373522449 711895 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, incidentally, the sencha reminded me a bit of local anaesthetic < 1373522455 376631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :levelsystems: Wir arbeiten lieber für unsere Kunden als eine hübsche Webseite zu machen... < 1373522459 723376 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what I was thinking of earlier < 1373522485 26844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: that was the green rubbery tea? < 1373522506 704402 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1373522508 658715 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1373522511 617006 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373522520 535867 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out at some point if all sencha is like that. < 1373522521 874790 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about it < 1373522527 552532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some of them irc people whom i've briefly met before < 1373522530 268186 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should have stuck with jasmine, but I was curious < 1373522535 404741 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh I am tired and hungry and I think sleep deprivation has been making me sick < 1373522550 222319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: tea adventure is good hth < 1373522559 301821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyone i know? < 1373522560 629290 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes adventure ftw < 1373522569 654166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think so. < 1373522594 336193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373522596 799385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1373522623 425167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do my best hth < 1373522647 281897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes and i had fancy tea today btw, it was p. good hth < 1373522654 731753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373522658 505250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i become a tea snob < 1373522666 304871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1373522674 615700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask mnoqy < 1373522677 682552 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373522683 208728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1373522684 92569 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373522685 612206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i become a tea snob < 1373522690 318833 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure if you want < 1373522717 170275 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373522736 662018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinformation on stackoverflow :'( < 1373522741 516235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i bother < 1373522753 340964 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1373522761 360816 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a new answer, someone will surely upvote it < 1373522764 472658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahah < 1373522798 308578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo people much prefer answers like "ghc auto-memoized it" and "tail-call elimination" to answers like "GMP is just faster than Java's BigInteger" < 1373522807 992671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373522822 190641 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, SO has many features that pinpoint it a lot more as a place-of-social-exchange rather than an authoritative-answer-on-unique-question. < 1373522845 633021 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... not sure how memoization would help with bignum arithmetic < 1373522862 106629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't help in this case, unless the function was called more than once < 1373522868 212792 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a fair marketplace of answers. it's an extremely unfair one that can still be effective, if you're lucky. < 1373522873 911428 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to imagine how it possibly could < 1373522895 166287 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd need a situation where the thing being memoized couldn't just be done by the ALU in negligible time anyway < 1373522898 931754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, if you're computing bignum fibonacci numbers or something naïvely it would probably be p. helpful < 1373522907 5418 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but that's really stupid. < 1373522928 10165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373522941 769816 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really dumb. might as well implement multiplication for fixnums yourself. in base 10. < 1373522946 255512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's factorial which is even stupider since memoization doesn't even help (unless you use it more than once) < 1373522948 16371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 1337 < 1373522952 601493 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Haskell's Integer type isn't even GMP a lot of the time < 1373522972 305528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, but maybe doesn't make a huge difference? < 1373522972 529408 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing factorials fast is a very interesting problem < 1373522973 435026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my favorite part was when someone said the haskell code was faster than the java code because ghc does strictness analysis < 1373522976 772994 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1373522983 676787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect that GMP is also pretty fast on machine-size integers < 1373522985 685847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow.......... < 1373522988 267390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373523000 54865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question at hand: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17584630/why-is-factorial-calculation-must-faster-in-haskell-than-in-java < 1373523000 334560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has a very basic strictness analyser < 1373523003 509714 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that... but... aaaaaah < 1373523006 8793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes up only 0 lines of code < 1373523088 387997 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man java bignums are always so wonderfully verbose < 1373523105 183138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hchrist is this cache thing, help < 1373523125 645883 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, all functions are pure unless they're doing IO (see link) < 1373523137 79643 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking Java uses an array of int to implement BigInteger, but it also stores more information (5 additional words, plus 'vtable'). < 1373523142 848619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of true < 1373523143 444055 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ. christ help < 1373523153 698541 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is able to do tail-call optimization because it's just iteration. The same can be done in Java with a for loop as in your example, but it won't have the benefit of being functionally pure. < 1373523167 367095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true by way of being tautological < 1373523184 524476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only because the condition is never satisfied < 1373523186 666130 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so anyway. computing factorials is interesting. < 1373523191 641204 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, on the other hand, for quite big integers, stores the number of bytes used, fact that it's long, and the number itself. < 1373523191 876383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you could also say it has nothing to do with functions < 1373523191 876570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well if your flavour of Haskell has unsafePerformIO then it's true by being tautological, but not vacuous < 1373523198 446481 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly as much. < 1373523201 605246 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how practical it is to factorize and stuff < 1373523215 762648 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if you're doing 1000000! you probably don't need precision anyway? < 1373523215 762836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay but, I don't think considering unsafePerformIO when talking about the semantics is worthwhile. < 1373523243 658728 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..1000000.0] < 1373523245 678762 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1373523250 504496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, lambdabot < 1373523261 399395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the real problem here < 1373523263 545392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to read a pop sci article about homotopy type theory http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23749-mathematicians-think-like-machines-for-perfect-proofs.html < 1373523268 17024 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' (*) [1..1000000.0] < 1373523269 594328 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1373523269 594525 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1373523269 594631 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please no < 1373523269 594753 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. That's the correct answer. < 1373523272 801074 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get enough shit in pop sci about brains < 1373523273 690642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: right from the title < 1373523278 89680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's going to be amazing < 1373523278 392337 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... i can't take the math. < 1373523280 136175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't deal. < 1373523284 822250 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too much < 1373523293 60146 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not up for anything that amazing imo < 1373523310 532505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as know, types didn't exist before machines. < 1373523310 804402 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we < 1373523311 334467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi < 1373523312 615779 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1373523330 830269 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e < 1373523331 896862 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : e < 1373523334 445799 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1373523336 361079 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sss. < 1373523337 439712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it has your aczel < 1373523337 977767 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 < 1373523338 183599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi :: Cereal < 1373523339 51974 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1373523339 259928 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1373523342 605142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi :: Cereal < 1373523343 677592 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841972 < 1373523345 288091 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cereal < 1373523353 93538 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cereal < 1373523362 701058 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant believe you dont know what cereal is < 1373523366 988528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal.com < 1373523368 97149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ^ 7 -- i also forgot < 1373523368 901694 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 128 < 1373523371 48507 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1373523393 377140 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me youve seen sourcereal.com bike < 1373523396 380495 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its important < 1373523397 452595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCereal 100 pi < 1373523399 904078 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have actually < 1373523400 709045 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406... < 1373523405 3304 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let stirling n = ((n/exp 1)^n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n)) in stirling 1000000 < 1373523406 75110 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1373523406 281961 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M582996387.sho... < 1373523412 509320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourcereal.com is v. important < 1373523415 227152 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373523427 737058 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \n -> ((n/exp 1)^n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n)) < 1373523428 538902 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Floating b, Integral b) => b -> b < 1373523434 253384 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1373523438 548510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \n -> ((n/exp 1)**n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n)) < 1373523439 83478 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a < 1373523445 327138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah everything's terrible imo < 1373523447 467882 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, for the grand finale < 1373523452 885372 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\n -> ((n/exp 1)**n)*(sqrt (2 * pi * n))) 1000000 < 1373523454 225628 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1373523458 555324 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1373523463 740685 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1373523508 495940 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ln 10 < 1373523509 570507 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ln' < 1373523509 776179 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1373523509 776362 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : `n' (imported from D... < 1373523511 752138 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 10 < 1373523513 92128 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.302585092994046 < 1373523536 604044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate log 10 < 1373523537 672247 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [10.0,2.302585092994046,0.834032445247956,-0.18148297420509205,NaN,NaN,NaN,... < 1373523547 638989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what's cereal cereal cant believe you dont know what cereal is < 1373523547 905784 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a log with base? < 1373523551 657426 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1071) what's cereal cereal cant believe you dont know what cereal is < 1373523552 504213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :logBase < 1373523555 225793 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1373523560 889449 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the HoTT article has some nice quotes from Bauer < 1373523571 53778 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 100 10 < 1373523572 126837 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1373523584 575145 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 100 < 1373523585 689290 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0 < 1373523603 868279 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let shitfuckfuckfuck n = n * log n - n in shitfuckfuckfuck 1000000 < 1373523607 190043 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.2815510557964273e7 < 1373523612 863790 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1373523616 388483 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the worst < 1373523619 113236 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at everything < 1373523623 980736 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever. < 1373523646 816467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (length . takeWhile (join (==)) . iterate log) $ iterate (*2) 1 < 1373523647 885192 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,3,4,4,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,... < 1373523661 825009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you forgot to give a definition < 1373523678 117444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cereal can be defined as something that is made from cereal. < 1373523683 522245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SourCReal < 1373523684 865748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure that's not cocereal < 1373523718 375406 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, e7. i didn't fuck up too bad. < 1373523755 561600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2815510557964273e7 / log 10 < 1373523756 371738 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5565705.518096747 < 1373523761 225598 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = map (length . takeWhile (join (==)) . iterate log) $ iterate (*2) 1 in findIndices not $ zipWith (==) x (tail x) < 1373523764 983055 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1373523774 914318 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can haskell bignums handle five million digit numbers < 1373523785 455228 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = take 1000 . map (length . takeWhile (join (==)) . iterate log) $ iterate (*2) 1 in findIndices not $ zipWith (==) x (tail x) < 1373523786 792609 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,21] < 1373523797 281942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's just gmp < 1373523800 6426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually) < 1373523806 257638 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well i don't know what gmp can handle < 1373523811 82062 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the worst, as previously mentioned < 1373523811 351152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's a lot of digits < 1373523825 113666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can we settle on two million digits < 1373523829 941211 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp can handle as many digits as can into... what's the order of magnitude... TB? < 1373523835 961060 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fit < 1373523837 72654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373523853 784312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :µB < 1373523855 664557 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, modulo other constraints besides just pure size. < 1373523862 149212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i get the base 10 digits first hm < 1373523876 217952 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. addressability < 1373523940 128393 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :re aczel, it's kind of a shame i'm too principled to pretend anything brain related depends on mathematical foundations, or else i'd totally write an awesme counterpart to shittyaczelpaper based on hott < 1373523997 229370 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains? they're pretty great, but what about them < 1373524018 956899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the abc conjecture proof includes a paper with the title "Inter-universal Teichmuller Theory I: Construction of Hodge Theaters" < 1373524022 168315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did nobody tell me this before. < 1373524029 748531 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dude those papers are great < 1373524035 767238 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make no sense < 1373524051 737169 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you're missing this whole "backstory" that i already explained to elliott < 1373524074 756590 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have been hanging out with me in Palo Alto < 1373524085 247155 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like ten waleses away though. < 1373524090 717209 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than explaining things to elliott < 1373524094 473599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what aczel paper are we talking here < 1373524095 9381 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a good paper title < 1373524102 599274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higgledy piggledy / GMP Integer: / only constrained by the / size of your RAM. // sure, i'm neglecting the / addressability; / 32-bit are some / kind of a scam < 1373524110 89462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1373524112 510334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :messed up the end < 1373524113 580999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1373524115 735920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maximum number of limbs in a GMP number is whatever fits in an int on your platform; the limbs themselves are typically 32 or 64 bits. < 1373524137 338851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these double dactyl things are hard ok < 1373524142 783317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit ones are / some kind of scam < 1373524146 328054 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the bikeologist one < 1373524155 243369 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373524171 276132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's somewhere around 68719476736 or 137438953472 bits. < 1373524174 501023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373524176 985399 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373524177 526631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gone < 1373524195 324049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what < 1373524197 736270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :write me a double dactyl and/or limerick plz thx hth < 1373524205 597752 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh like < 1373524207 205208 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1373524221 494180 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will also accept poems in onegin stanza < 1373524227 470562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 137438953472 bits < 1373524229 612551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: help! < 1373524231 271267 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/?input_amount=137438953472&input_units=bytes¬ation=legacy < 1373524231 477316 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Bit Calculator - Convert between bits/bytes/kilobits/kilobytes/megabits/megab... < 1373524236 947899 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :any takers < 1373524241 303680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 137438953472 bits in terabytes < 1373524242 912408 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.015625 terabytes < 1373524243 118645 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://letconversion.com/data-storage-conversion/from-terabits/to-bytes < 1373524243 118836 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Terabits to Bytes Conversion Calculator - LetConversion < 1373524249 651193 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will even take both tetrameter and pentameter < 1373524250 455088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's not a lot of TB < 1373524255 821419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: sure, go for it < 1373524262 810911 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:18 a biologist mentioned it (it was a dumb mention) 12:18 of course it was, a biologist made it < 1373524270 884993 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "the backstory" < 1373524275 711043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Wow, that's pretty rude. < 1373524291 183981 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1373524297 617571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was going to make a mean joke but i won't make it < 1373524302 793594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1373524308 462232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no meanness to Bike < 1373524315 714876 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :biologist? hm.. dunno < 1373524328 896944 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up on things < 1373524332 193174 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a man on Wight/whose limericks were kinda shite/When asked for a ditty/his response was so shitty/His entire audience got a fright < 1373524332 464264 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1373524336 213600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who aczel is right < 1373524340 574306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo onegin stanzas aren't so great usually? in english anyway? but maybe they are < 1373524361 57141 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did all that set theory stuff < 1373524370 824315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: you could also just write me a plain old iambic pentameter shakespeare-style sonnet imo < 1373524379 464668 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a biologist was like "wow this is totally relevant to my field" < 1373524383 639493 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it wasn't & that's dumb < 1373524389 68803 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrote a paper about it. < 1373524390 944118 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you still haven't given me something funny and specific you don't like < 1373524398 551934 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was that limerick < 1373524398 757730 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1373524417 470130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: oh the limerick i was talking about before: < 1373524431 353694 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good, maybe change last line to "His toupe perked up in fright" < 1373524442 362686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Double dactyl verse form is, perhaps unsurprisingly, rare in popular music." < 1373524444 110702 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :...makes about as much sense? or less, which is better. < 1373524457 849214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1373524472 758333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice fucking the unicode up!! < 1373524485 231515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373524492 121414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ꙮ is alphanumeric? < 1373524541 289494 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I read that little square as "multi-ocular o" < 1373524554 271701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what square < 1373524555 608843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373524555 878283 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it didn't render at all < 1373524557 788532 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst backstoyr < 1373524559 217658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373524560 556839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on ehre < 1373524563 772367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal is broken I guess! < 1373524572 289181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/s is rendering it "just fine" < 1373524577 685742 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am on a mobile device < 1373524594 9123 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may or may not support unicode < 1373524607 757331 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I think I've reached a local maxima with mine < 1373524613 119688 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided you don't like #haskell < 1373524618 748882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one does < 1373524623 323419 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a young critic named shachaf / Who put #haskell flags on a mast-half / When asked why he said / "I don't think it's yet dead, / but I hope it'll get there quite fast-fast" < 1373524628 933967 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, last-rhyme is a cop-out < 1373524640 760758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all cop-outs :'( < 1373524647 777229 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doens't like #h a s k el ldl < 1373524655 104923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo import more hebrew to rhyme with "shachaf" < 1373524688 402384 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know, I don't want/do code-switching < 1373524834 776960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a hard time coming up with an anti-biologist limerick here < 1373524930 945444 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about make fun of vitalism < 1373524965 381111 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some poetic motes/Penned by a chap named Gracenotes/The meter was sluggish/The rhymes were rubbish/And it wasn't even the worst thing he/she wrote < 1373524986 225980 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1373524993 15737 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost self-referential, that one! < 1373524999 790130 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1373525036 390198 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of anything that rhymes with Taneb < 1373525065 971426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can you finish this anti-biologist limerick for me < 1373525068 918867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps it's also an anti-bike limerick < 1373525072 538388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needs a last line < 1373525072 854182 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1373525076 922153 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naan ebb? < 1373525264 909656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread shortage < 1373525274 57537 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a man in nantucket / he watched birds and the bees and a duck pit / til one day at noon / they drained the lagoon / and right then and there he said "fuck it" < 1373525277 428175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best i can do elliott < 1373525281 978817 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a boy called elliott/Who thought biologists smell-iot/He wrote a short rhyme/In limerick time/And said "with the last line to hell-iot" < 1373525289 19500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike. < 1373525291 972483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiou were meant to finish MINE < 1373525293 341615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1373525295 521407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so impolite < 1373525299 329217 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where's yours < 1373525308 491979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here you go "there once was a biologist named Bike / who found his head stuck on a pike. / the previous day / channel regulars say /" < 1373525317 761609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good very good < 1373525335 409403 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that first line even fit the meter... < 1373525339 227048 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice start < 1373525364 470253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you please fix your meter thx < 1373525370 376942 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1373525407 535095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1373525407 740844 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some physicists sought to compete / With biologists who lived down the street / The biologists leisured / Since they couldn't be measured / Because all of their work was discrete. < 1373525409 716897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the meter < 1373525411 78454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a poet < 1373525428 233580 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude did you rhyme "leisured" with "measured" < 1373525430 913467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of accent is taht < 1373525453 609711 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right people say it like "ledgered" < 1373525454 716774 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1373525471 298408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you rhyme "nantucket" with "duck pit" < 1373525496 368189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1373525499 48577 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, eh. not exactly a searing punchline, but... it's basically true... < 1373525499 315372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: ^ < 1373525511 262793 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck doesn't rhyme with fuck :| < 1373525515 82775 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey that works! almost < 1373525515 351055 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id you rhyme summer with fuck < 1373525520 553445 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real flaw with mine is that it's terrible < 1373525520 857949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373525523 270093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Vogon poetry's got nothing on us | <3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373525526 21986 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general < 1373525541 718849 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatal flaw < 1373525564 219362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey my original one was good < 1373525575 660723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean thee ꙮ one < 1373525581 701577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the best limerick of all < 1373525584 111917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ILLL GRANT THAT ONE < 1373525585 728545 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to make one criticizing physicists without going for the obvious stuff (like cow spheres) < 1373525588 179456 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should write a lickermich < 1373525591 698638 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**likercimv < 1373525592 770252 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man once insulted my metrical technique/Despite my skills being at humanity's peak/So during the night/Purely out of spite/I killed him as he slept under a sheet < 1373525594 442642 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**lickerbic < 1373525597 21259 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lim,erick < 1373525597 825554 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a very esoteric limerick < 1373525598 97743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lickermich < 1373525605 136211 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop before you hurt yourself :o < 1373525613 869847 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1373525617 132104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good < 1373525625 510615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :'( < 1373525625 779286 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: reasonable < 1373525629 799784 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i'd be impressed to see a limerick criticizing renormalization < 1373525631 177757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually hurt to read that < 1373525660 461597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an expert on brainfuck / how the fuck do you rhyme with brainfuck < 1373525677 820639 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chained muck < 1373525679 735891 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :'summer' rhymes with 'brianfuck' I think < 1373525690 3277 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fain luck < 1373525728 15016 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cain suck(s) < 1373525733 98846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo what's a bad thing you can do to someone that ends with -ition < 1373525743 876454 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :perdition? < 1373525749 14918 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly... < 1373525755 600295 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being petitioned sucks < 1373525755 909772 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, actually, that's a good one < 1373525765 61879 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedition? < 1373525766 441325 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Christian theology) A state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death. < 1373525768 45770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a mathematician / fit only for eternal perdition / on type theory he said / "I'd rather be dead / than formulate proofs with precision" < 1373525777 134055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1373525779 594501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't rhyme < 1373525784 492549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it with the bad rhymes < 1373525786 102459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1373525790 661139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop it < 1373525792 843767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet mnoqy likes my limerick < 1373525795 260351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to not rhyme at all < 1373525796 934492 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its alright.. < 1373525801 299534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373525803 981772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me how you really feel < 1373525805 317729 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mathematician/perdition is ok < 1373525812 877160 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an expert on brainfuck/On whose shoulder sat a plain duck/He looked at it and said/"Hop on to my head/"And this will be the best day of summer" < 1373525814 792226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: precision????? < 1373525822 678938 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh < 1373525830 173121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm sorry, that _does_ rhyme. it just doesn't scan. < 1373525832 342056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the last line < 1373525845 250196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it doesn't do nothin' < 1373525847 970368 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ion is enough for it < 1373525855 785711 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it scans to me... < 1373525864 253077 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373525865 861306 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 'eternal' is too long < 1373525878 797440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of "eternal perdition" i originally had "harsh extradition < 1373525879 403450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373525879 671959 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 'utter' < 1373525880 476608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so y'know < 1373525882 86415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got better < 1373525883 160512 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thinks) how do i make the rhyme (stops thinking) < 1373525904 563275 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dangerous mission < 1373525906 710506 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think 'utter' works. < 1373525910 345600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome, elliott. < 1373525911 956691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about some drugz rhymes < 1373525913 61651 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kitty did mew in the night / For her hunger did hit with such fright / She did look to her mother / As there was no other / With nipples < 1373525916 10909 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuclear fission < 1373525923 289825 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to expect an anti-limerick at some point, yes < 1373525934 934704 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or laziness. < 1373525935 737855 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't half of these been anti limericks < 1373525941 403542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have < 1373525942 207690 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssshhhhh. < 1373525943 318062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not funny < 1373525946 263994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just bad < 1373525947 873695 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shachaf~ < 1373525953 303911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all just being bad < 1373525956 519734 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1373525957 325474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop it ok < 1373525958 930707 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1373525970 313193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you stop < 1373525971 922753 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to choose the most saccharine topic and the most predictable of subversions < 1373525979 776479 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for you, shachaf~~ < 1373525990 276255 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many tildes help < 1373526004 285866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :≈ < 1373526011 325758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a hoover ethereal / who despised derivative material / on the wiki he saw / some brainfucking lore / and gave brick-brain punishment imperial < 1373526012 961928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike≋ < 1373526013 168069 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :more unicode hearts too < 1373526017 934090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ new limerick ^^^ < 1373526033 767118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1373526036 719112 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1373526040 777555 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip. < 1373526046 850364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like my limerick < 1373526047 942208 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a dude called shachaf / now hes gone / rip < 1373526068 258772 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you seem to like packing syllables into that second line < 1373526073 656667 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :New rule: no limericks allowed for the next 2 months < 1373526075 874505 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it ever do for you to deserve such bounty < 1373526082 143753 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in favor yell angrily at your screens < 1373526115 479863 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired for yelling < 1373526116 854521 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i abstain < 1373526152 404747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a lover of cereal / who sought to define the material / on sourcereal.com / they dropped the truth bomb / "it is something made from cereal" < 1373526179 236152 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was an onslaught of tilde s/By Which a poetry veteran was killed/Our painful rhymes/And meter less than sublime/Only stood to give him a pretty good thrill < 1373526189 115565 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that's made out of cereal < 1373526201 52555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://sourcereal.com < 1373526208 559580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to stay as true to the source material as possible < 1373526226 514652 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition of Sour Cereal < 1373526226 720973 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cereal can be defined as something that is made from cereal. One can put it in a bowl, on a plate, or leave it in a box. Cereal is a nice thing to think about and sometimes eat. Sour cereal is an example of a type of cereal with spices. < 1373526248 992165 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb,.getting cereal < 1373526323 364903 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373526324 474523 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373526556 666354 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373527445 367212 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373527445 573594 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1373527445 573673 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373527618 411364 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373527633 9065 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back < 1373527758 627695 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello you literally missed nothing < 1373527929 304060 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1373527937 452034 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed my cereal < 1373528909 220665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think badly scanning poetry is from now on a bannable offense hth < 1373528933 978508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, elliott, that means you cannot write poetry any more < 1373529050 36448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it just means I'll be banned from it. but happily I have the power to remove bans! < 1373529058 210289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not without +R. fuck &, also, shit < 1373529063 345322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for it < 1373529089 817872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeated offenses _may_ affect your ability to unban hth < 1373529119 522508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just protecting sentient life in the universe, i hope you understand this is necessary < 1373529160 615603 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373529289 627907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed a lot though < 1373529517 578427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373529519 28201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired < 1373529528 704468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373529531 676435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf left :/ < 1373529553 470066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to nominate him as poet laureate < 1373529791 487121 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¾ < 1373529802 627406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should sleep < 1373529819 426368 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :® < 1373529835 422744 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þ < 1373529844 806627 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :µ < 1373529860 108945 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¶ < 1373529874 219475 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :™ < 1373529890 288507 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :± < 1373529897 175751 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1373529898 287621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's special-characters hour here at the #esoteric. < 1373529964 596197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ıf you w®ıþ€ wıþh əlþ-ŋ® ðowñ oñ þhıš ĸ€yßoə®ð ləyouþ, þh€ €ñ𠮀šulþ šþıll ĸıñð of looĸš lıĸ€ ®€ŋulə® þ€×þ. < 1373529970 374995 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :★ < 1373529989 459896 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo thats kind of like badly scanning poetry < 1373530022 662655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of altgr-b for the not-beta-but-German-ss ß is kind of rude. "Looks like B" indeed. < 1373530320 643440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Compose S S < 1373530395 318814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſ is Compose F S which seems... all right? < 1373530407 456361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :€€€€€ < 1373530430 439529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥¤£¤ < 1373530437 261129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("if you write with alt-gr down on this keyboard, the result is rather disappointing.) < 1373530445 919107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+" < 1373531123 444768 :kiview!~kevin@194.94.127.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373531149 175963 :kiview!~kevin@194.94.127.7 PART :#esoteric < 1373531250 508607 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373531438 783840 :Taneb!~androirc@host-2-98-202-23.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373532836 281992 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373533251 422680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373533288 863097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this simon tatham puzzle was made by ben olmstead < 1373533308 998499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373533320 992321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Inertia" < 1373533409 166211 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is simon tatham a brand < 1373533448 802807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1373533477 812827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made putty and this puzzle collection, both of which i use < 1373534603 596859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you won't be using one of those for long, hth < 1373534636 735913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a threat hth < 1373534662 582396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I'm going to threaten him with a linux installation CD < 1373534665 576573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl < 1373535923 562000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're it's parent. < 1373536229 353266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happened to mnoqy too < 1373536870 132575 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373537100 752088 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373537617 755272 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373538461 399853 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ghc -e 'print (product [1..905381] :: Integer)' | wc -L ==> 5000004 < 1373539761 800151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: LAter < 1373539857 925616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hi I have clang questions < 1373539880 847975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 1. is clang's output without any -O at all as completely-terrible as gcc's is i.e. do I always want at least -O or -Os or whatever < 1373539889 958918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 2. does clang give worse warnings without -O like gcc does < 1373539958 889268 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Yes to the part before the i.e., I think, but definitely no to the part after it < 1373539990 57134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen gcc's -O0 output < 1373539993 133157 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. I'm pretty sure that the answer is no < 1373540027 993533 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably seen some of it at some point < 1373540078 426570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't see how you could stand ever using it :P < 1373540092 566948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the output of a toy C compiler you would write in a weekend for fun < 1373540101 13504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you compile stuff in order to look at the generated assembly? < 1373540112 926389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think clang only uses FastISel at -O0 < 1373540118 370051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but I don't want to feel like I'm running a Python program :( < 1373540123 736933 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever want to read -O0 assembly < 1373540134 287835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does shave 15 seconds off the build time though < 1373540139 453573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means it should be significantly (once your program is big enough) faster to compile stuff at -O0 < 1373540142 140652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice because I'm really lazy < 1373540154 384198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compared to -O2, a bit less compared to -Os < 1373540155 795728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried -O < 1373540166 593004 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't -O equal to -O2 in gcc and hence clang < 1373540183 3757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really < 1373540185 683796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be new if so < 1373540190 584803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure -O1 is a thing < 1373540194 410624 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: python cannot run, it slithers < 1373540199 14081 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes -O1 is a thing < 1373540199 571926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was -O made to alias to -O2 at some point < 1373540200 949585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than -O1 < 1373540206 961554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O is equal to -O1, I believe. < 1373540211 537827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's -O1 < 1373540211 805381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still.) < 1373540226 402674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think clang doesn't support gcc's fancy -ggdb3 stuff < 1373540228 319465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me sad < 1373540230 501190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was -O2 ever since the -O[123] were introduced < 1373540233 718141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgcc -O6 hth < 1373540241 268559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently it doesn't do any more than line numbers if you use anything other than -O0??? < 1373540241 843948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm probably thinking of a different compiler < 1373540248 9174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I have a compiler refund < 1373540257 561488 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any more than line numbers in what? < 1373540271 397335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : -g Generate debug information. Note that Clang debug information < 1373540271 602841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : works best at -O0. At higher optimization levels, only line number < 1373540271 603025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : information is currently available. < 1373540276 5690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, this is more reason to use -O0 < 1373540277 885890 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The return shipping for your gnu is one gnu. < 1373540281 370395 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay < 1373540294 75048 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever used debug information for anything other than line numbers < 1373540306 785116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just like knowing there's something fancy involved you know < 1373540310 93169 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any language, ever < 1373540319 5519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -ggdb3 made something perceptibly nicer when I switched to it with gcc < 1373540320 344466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forget what < 1373540326 856410 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually a bit surprising now that I think about it, but oh well < 1373540357 32116 :rom__!rom__@c-76-24-231-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373540468 208939 :rom__!rom__@c-76-24-231-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373540513 723539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :building to a ram disk < 1373540515 421882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I hardcore yet < 1373540524 736130 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other debugging information than line numbers and symtab < 1373540526 610287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good that made the build slower < 1373540529 897423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(???????) < 1373540541 631090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your ramdisk is swapping < 1373540909 597740 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373541121 176653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373542489 823057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373542501 692190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I came across a fun pathological function in my research yesterday < 1373542527 293783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm having trouble expressing in any programming language (other than languages as low-level as, say, VHDL) < 1373542547 618015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you call it, it returns two functions/closures, let's call them f() and g() < 1373542566 333839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1373542569 14119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373542580 985173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, there are side effects involved here, so let me try to be clear about the types < 1373542596 869520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my function is (IO ()) -> (IO (), IO ()) < 1373542600 929137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373542604 411462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good at Haskell < 1373542610 636586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable < 1373542620 420159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be -> IO (IO (), IO ())? < 1373542646 356651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm reasonably sure it isn't, in this case; there are no side effects involved until you actually execute the return values < 1373542662 95750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1373542677 576461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just two IO () -> IO () functions < 1373542681 633300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373542700 906502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's equivalent to that, although conceptually weird thinking about it < 1373542708 472856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hmm < 1373542715 738146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I do need an extra IO in order to avoid having to compare functions < 1373542733 941853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, that sounds implausible but ok < 1373542735 762286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is IO () -> IO (IO (), IO ()), just so that the two return values can be aware of each other < 1373542739 561547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373542758 318572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you call either of the return values, then the original argument starts executing < 1373542779 536954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the return values stop executing when either the original argument stops executing, or the other return value is called < 1373542792 269691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, while the original argument is executing, there has to be at least one of the return values executing < 1373542794 725679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can take it in turns < 1373542811 284642 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop as in they can continue or as in they die < 1373542818 793789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in it returns < 1373542828 253337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g., I call pathological(delay 1000), that gives me two functions f and g < 1373542840 99701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I call f, then it won't return for 1000 time or until I call g < 1373542852 612613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I call g, then f returns, now g won't return until the original 1000 time is up or I call f again < 1373542854 760693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflation of functions and programs upsets :( < 1373542858 46783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1373542880 33308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in Haskell this doesn't need two functions, because you could call the same function simultaneously from different threads < 1373542910 852712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you spend a few days staring at linear logic, you start ceasing to be able to comprehend the idea of copying data < 1373542940 519442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just make it (IO ()) -> IO (IO ()) < 1373542947 628995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is like a weird version of spawn? < 1373542953 28772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a bit < 1373542969 248839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like a concurrency primitive, but it doesn't match any of the concurrency primitives I've ever seen < 1373542975 145493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you find it in? < 1373542985 375996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a counterexample to something I was trying to prove < 1373542999 223658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that if you run the action from one thread, it returns in any other thread that's running it? < 1373543016 556625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1373543038 661649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, the idea is that once you start it running, it finishes, but threads can pretty much change /which/ thread is running it arbitrarily < 1373543063 152182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1373543082 521840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy I use as a mental model of it is, you start some long-running task that needs someone to constantly supervise it < 1373543083 58644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of being an action can this be a sort of lockish thing? < 1373543090 677046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can change who's supervising it < 1373543109 362308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that you "wait" on it and then someone else can wait on it instead. < 1373543121 732547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I tried to implement it with locks, but failed, and it's quite easy to prove (using the same research that discovered it in the same place) that that's impossible with a static concurrency model < 1373543147 745337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. one where each fork() has to have a matching wait() called from the same thread) < 1373543261 971153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could handle it with an integer semaphore and a thread that's happy to clean up for itself and doesn't need to report back to a parent < 1373543338 212951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that asshole Phantom_Hoover < 1373543340 357101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… now I'm tempted to add this as a concurrency primitive to INTERCAL < 1373543346 796776 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1373543357 324320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits the action-at-a-distance flavour of INTERCAL quite well < 1373543363 25484 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone make a brainfuck derivative < 1373543367 673162 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make a brainfuck derivative < 1373543368 730169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he triggered the pbflist and there is no new pbf. false positives are a waste of my time! < 1373543370 669368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373543380 592696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's what I said! < 1373543383 280705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbf = perry brainfuck < 1373543407 25784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, you're here now. Don't do the thing you did. < 1373543434 729679 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1373543437 745156 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia < 1373543443 413405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1373543447 819781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick Phantom_Hoover < 1373543454 296554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just being annoying, you know. < 1373543505 945330 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think on some level you're to blame for taking the `list system seriously < 1373543579 661302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any system for systematically pinging people should be taken seriously < 1373543592 590149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what use is this new concurrency primitive? < 1373543594 596466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because pinging people for no reason is annoying. it's also called "spam" < 1373543602 180837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know that it's useful < 1373543605 120681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who do it are called "spammers" < 1373543646 231542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Are you sure you couldn't implement it with other primitives anyway? I believe I can think of a way, though it isn't wait-free. < 1373543650 457664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest a collective dropping of the topic < 1373543679 821629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as I said, it's provable that you can't do it with a static concurrency model, but if you have more general concurrency models it's implementable < 1373543695 516911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373543744 541276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I admit I'm not an expert on this area, and I'm not quite sure what a static concurrency model is, but I'm thinking in terms of pthreads with semaphores message queues. < 1373543759 428240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :semaphores and* < 1373543817 924320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373543828 99238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. I'll have to work out the details < 1373543905 438176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pthreads doesn't have any particular "parent" / "child" division, or at least lets children outlive their parents < 1373543908 972808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably workable < 1373543916 248853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surprisingly nontrivial even if your language is expressive enough, though < 1373543919 611635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, is that a requirement for static concurrency? < 1373543925 50271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you could do it in terms of a couple of semaphores and mutexes in fact. < 1373543965 996732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's pretty much what static concurrency is < 1373544037 323016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is how I would do it: Transform the task into three functions: f,g and h, have h execute the actual task, in a separate thread, have f and g wait on a signaling semaphore, these can either be signaled by h completing, or the other function of f or g being called. You will need to refine it a bit to handle two functions calling f, or f/g being called after h completes but the idea should work I beli < 1373544037 762037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eve? < 1373544076 273060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, unless I misunderstood the problem that seems like a pretty straight forward implementation in a pthreads style environment < 1373544080 432707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I think that works < 1373544118 144465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is an utterly useless thing though. :) < 1373544164 440917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373544167 661383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have any particular recommendations wrt what ThinkPads are good to buy (I realise this is hopelessly vague) < 1373544167 867125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of interest ais523, what else defines a static concurrency model? < 1373544187 683899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc has a thinkpad x1 carbon and it looks p. nice < 1373544204 112131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love STM, but people say there might be something better possible < 1373544208 489946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it basically means that your only thread-creation primitive is a "run X and Y in parallel" function, or can be implemented in terms of that < 1373544213 654788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't return until both X and Y return < 1373544222 500657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373544239 346298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, benmachine++ < 1373544248 819159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, mis-up-arrowed. < 1373544256 178020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, But you are free to do whatever in terms or semaphores, message queues, critical sections and so on? < 1373544270 758267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, he helped me with a thing in /msg the other day, he can keep the extra karma. < 1373544312 16831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: /set window_history on < 1373544315 1083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, there's no restriction on synchronization primitives < 1373544323 823555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also btw, I never understood the difference between a critical section and a mutex. They just seems like two ways to express the same thing? < 1373544336 608795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a mutex is one way to implement a critical section < 1373544349 747211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a critical section is a semantic property rather than some specific implementation < 1373544355 893604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1373544368 449778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why do I want that? < 1373544377 662650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it makes up-arrow work better < 1373544386 818507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also re: X1 Carbon, that is one of the models I am looking at < 1373544404 433019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I frequently e.g. /msg things to lambdabot and later up-arrow in another window. < 1373544413 54080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose I could up-arrow in the lambdabot window. < 1373544417 424821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1373544421 225761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep it like this for now. < 1373544432 655121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reason for the mis-up-arrow is that my palm touched my touchpad.) < 1373544433 459224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I didn't realise there were clients that didn't have per-window history < 1373544434 299990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the resolution on them is kind of bad though it seems :( < 1373544442 996226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which scroled the scroll-wheel, etc.) < 1373544446 744463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or per-tab) < 1373544447 13030 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373544490 364871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could emulate non-static concurrency in a static concurrency using a concept of worker thread pools? Just start x number of threads and make them never complete. Now you can use message queues to submit jobs, and then you can implement the weird primitive above < 1373544495 943884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I missing something? < 1373544531 862166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also they're p. expensive < 1373544542 815196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just emulate a non-static concurrency on top using semaphores to signal "completion" of your threads and so on < 1373544558 999581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, in my case that didn't work because we can't send anything more complex than an int < 1373544567 175121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perils of hardware compilation < 1373544571 275854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well right < 1373544581 306385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could translate everything into bytecode and then interpret it at the other end :) < 1373544589 935656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should get the clevo W740SU so you can tell me whether it's any good hth < 1373544599 101630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I would like something with an ultrabook form factor and battery life and workstation-replacement specs and netbook price........ < 1373544606 132893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, the concept of static concurrency seems a bit ill-defined if you can just emulate non-static concurrency on top of it. < 1373544619 758109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's ill-defined if the rest of your system is also ill-defined < 1373544642 505368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a sufficiently well-defined model of what you can and can't do, it's quite easy to define static concurrency too < 1373544646 849972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i want all that too! let me know when those are invented. < 1373544649 335149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote removing concurrency < 1373544651 750660 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :236) gah, who'd have thought removing concurrency from algol could be so difficult < 1373544659 365227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well okay, is having full blown semaphores and message queues ill-defined? < 1373544695 508035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you even have to ask the question, rather than having an answer ready to hand, it means that your system as a whole is ill-defined < 1373544713 58789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, does this system have higher-order functions? does it have closures? < 1373544725 203124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, can we send a closure through a message queue and get some sort of useful result? < 1373544742 534903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these problems are nontrivial, e.g. compare "can I send a filehandle over a network connection?") < 1373544755 92744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in most programming languages, the answer to that is "no"; in CLC-INTERCAL, it's "yes") < 1373544757 232552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In unix you kind of can < 1373544762 798845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unix sockets < 1373544767 24557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the same computer < 1373544775 803361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang allows that fully across all nodes of course < 1373544792 278019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you wouldn't need to send closures though, as you said above yourself, bytecode. < 1373544822 701535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, now you reach the question of "is this language capable of decompiling arbitrary functions that are passed in?" < 1373544838 985403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, in some languages (e.g. Java), the answer is "yes", but it's typically "no" < 1373544851 801193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1373544953 757461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, you could even in C just implement an interpreter for your own byte code. Or you might not even need that. Something like an enum defining predefined tasks and some arguments to it could be enough to implement a limited number of tasks if that is all you need. < 1373544974 703157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also they only have 8 gigs of RAM :'( < 1373544997 566189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which one, the X1? < 1373545004 51367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373545012 412961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373545026 279022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But back in the day you couldn't even get i7+8GB at once. You had to choose 4GB or i5. < 1373545037 783551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373545046 856484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark old days when kmc was looking at it. < 1373545055 192022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"back in the day" "4 GB" < 1373545060 703772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1373545074 766038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really used computers in the "640KB is enough for everyone" era < 1373545088 52033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo what's not to like about that clevo thing, 4-core haswell cpu, 1920×1080, <2kg, supports 16GB ram, no nvidia optimus < 1373545101 959372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did use them in the era when 640KiB was the base memory and you needed to use unusual APIs to access the other 2MiB, with many programs stuck in the bottom 640 < 1373545106 38023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~$1000 < 1373545108 218284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is the clevo again < 1373545109 19977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i'm not sure if it's actually good. this is where you come in < 1373545122 585000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one system76.com is selling among other places < 1373545129 552404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you want a powerhouse computer, the business Dells laptops are quite good. Not very portable, and pretty bad battery life. Matte screen and trackpoint though. < 1373545185 30469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really what I'm looking for, I want the laptop part more for the portability indoors than for it being a desktop you can lug around elsewhere < 1373545192 346081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rightb ut I can't find a clevo on system76.com < 1373545192 879935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have a Clevo-based laptop. < 1373545196 214493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used my dads Mac back then. I never had to deal with that weirdness < 1373545212 123497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 hth < 1373545219 141597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I think it was months since I took out my work laptop of the docking station XD < 1373545219 982624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from the 2011s, though; and big-and-heavy. < 1373545228 884200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well by then, packagers had got used to the weirdness < 1373545233 518412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clevo is the manufacturer's name hth < 1373545236 510317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gave simple instructions about what to put in config.sys < 1373545256 230260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but wouldn't it possibly break between different programs you wanted to run? < 1373545265 438250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if the touchpad is any good < 1373545299 483706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really, by that stage it was mostly a case of increasing minimum settings < 1373545308 488066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you set the settings too high for a program, it'd still run just waste memory < 1373545321 597114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see, that's the kind of question i need you for answering < 1373545326 126546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, waste memory that could have been used for what? < 1373545326 421507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was OK because the programs that could make do with lower settings normally were written for older computers anyway which had less memory < 1373545333 562108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap/stack < 1373545341 19432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting the settings up higher meant the kernel had to use them < 1373545347 673993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373545349 899463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the kernel had to use more memory < 1373545352 87224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving less for userspace < 1373545367 191821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't some DOS programs put the computer in a 32-bit mode while running? < 1373545379 752946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.avadirect.com/gaming-laptop-configurator.asp?PRID=19611 <- I have this thing | it is so big. < 1373545388 140915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are there any system76 display models in stores anywhere < 1373545395 803458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it? < 1373545403 122719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe. Who knows. < 1373545416 377352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there were "DOS extenders" that put the system into protected mode, then turned it back into realmode whenever something tried to make a system call, so that DOS would work correctly < 1373545418 176795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 17" heh, yeah those are big < 1373545420 935029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lenient is their return policy < 1373545427 437328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which handled some 32-bit system calls themselves < 1373545430 338973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373545436 92808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack for DOS works that way, for instance < 1373545447 20747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOM works that way. < 1373545447 324302 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp how do i frink < 1373545456 707427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Here's Clevo's own web page on what I'm told is the same thing: http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo.asp?productid=472 < 1373545465 175732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think. At least a lot of games come with DOS4GW.) < 1373545467 234993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I had to mess around with DOS extenders for making the NetHack TAS < 1373545481 814736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including fixing the emulator so that it could handle at least one of htem < 1373545496 277541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the X1 have haswell < 1373545510 3116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373545525 998960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost no one has haswell so far < 1373545533 151199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is new in haswell? Even stupider instruction names? < 1373545549 282497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear you should wait until september or so if you want reasonable haswell options < 1373545555 785967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there some Apples with Haswells? < 1373545560 990610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbook airs have haswell < 1373545567 254712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373545572 412237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the pros don't, I was hoping to see what the retina would be like with haswell < 1373545581 284342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that could be a pretty compelling option for me < 1373545591 576820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this system76 clevo is cheap < 1373545607 461578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "the x1 carbon is p. expensive" elliott < 1373545617 973595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you saying VPUNPCKHQDQ is a stupid name! < 1373545629 438655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes! < 1373545632 223224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has 2.0 ghz so it's going to feel very slow no matter how fast it is :'( < 1373545641 129425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what does that one stand for? < 1373545654 461029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help, which kind of SSD is the best < 1373545664 532274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most expensive one hth < 1373545672 268060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like the Intel 520 SSD at work. 250 GB < 1373545688 681949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty expensive IIRC < 1373545703 370509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vex parallel unpack something something hth < 1373545711 984753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373545736 223869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does sandy bridge have that one? I want to test it out < 1373545736 878504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 gigabytes of RAM and 256 gigabyte SSD and 1 TB HD for $1432...... that's pretty good < 1373545742 273136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and haswell < 1373545745 756716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and 1080p < 1373545747 518769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to see if it is the right choice for me < 1373545749 945755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and IPS < 1373545753 431450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more things < 1373545754 505742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: V for "vector" (probably), P possibly as a prefix for "packed", then UNPCK for unpack, and HQDQ for "High Quadwords to Double-Quadword". < 1373545766 232610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And no, it was an AVX2 instruction. < 1373545777 758679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373545778 901512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Doesn't V stand for "three-operand"? < 1373545780 861554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You probably do have the plain PUNPCKHQDQ though. < 1373545786 243913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373545799 673553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, sure, "thVree-operand", of course. < 1373545813 746866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VEX_prefix < 1373545815 511635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, both SSD and HDD? Must be a pretty heavy laptop < 1373545815 753221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1373545846 177140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I still guesstimate that the 'V' in the name originally derives from the word vector. < 1373545850 129414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway if PFOO exists in SSE and you have plain old AVX isn't that enough to be able to use VPFOO with SSE registers? < 1373545855 502511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 1.72 kg by default apparently < 1373545859 963032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: default = HD and no SSD < 1373545876 631093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt the SSD is heavy enough to make the total not light < 1373545878 714404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too bad < 1373545891 532407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Only the floating-point stuff is in plain old AVX, I think. < 1373545900 205259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: AVX2 extends to integer datatypes. < 1373545929 389435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current laptop is like uh < 1373545932 761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but if you just need SSE instructions, i.e. on xmm registers, I think you can use the VEX prefix. < 1373545933 73525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4 kg or something < 1373545938 476770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet this one would feel super heavy :( < 1373545996 151777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think mine is closer to 2.5 kg or something < 1373546025 284766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current laptop: ~3kg? < 1373546026 89995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Look, all I know is that VPUNPCKHQDQ is in http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2011/06/13/haswell-new-instruction-descriptions-now-available < 1373546068 176100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe they mean that it works on YMM registers now? < 1373546082 51138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is your current laptop < 1373546086 917424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dell xps 15 < 1373546089 65465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l502x < 1373546119 555713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the blurriness of the screen in https://c12278716.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/galu1-e791e840dd9d7623d0228ca15867ae74.jpg is just a bad photo < 1373546135 634566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not even blurry there < 1373546140 309359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just downsized on the web page so it looks blurry? < 1373546242 259327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway I could've used AVX2 back when I was writing some SSE code. :-( < 1373546271 458355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haswell, will travel." < 1373546320 618929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway tell me if you find a better computer than that one along the relevant axes < 1373546559 473930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are there any INTERCAL implementations that use the Haswell PDEP/PEXT instructions for select/mingle? < 1373546730 593827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not as far as I know < 1373546756 897980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it could be added as an alternative in C-INTERCAL's libick < 1373546758 240869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So behind-the-times. < 1373546770 34013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /would/ be the sort of thing I'd like doing, but I wouldn't be able to test it < 1373546792 545057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need someone to donate you a haswell computer < 1373546794 153462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the good of intercal < 1373546814 606474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a kickstarter. < 1373546818 511113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if they just donate me a patch, and convincingly claim it works < 1373546831 96145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are lazy people with money < 1373546930 139742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of them care about haswell-accelerated INTERCAL, though? < 1373546955 185591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems haswell is less energy efficient than ivy bridge hm < 1373546962 29993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Performance < 1373546971 813720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And harder to overclock < 1373546972 297062 :johnny57!~dominik@chello212017069054.14.15.vie.surfer.at PART :#esoteric < 1373547007 502347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: isn't it meant to be much more energy efficient < 1373547029 927913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1373547036 772972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't know, I just pointed you to the source I saw it on. It could be that it is more energy efficient for the given performance < 1373547078 711481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like anyone wants to overclock a laptop anyway < 1373547088 216179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay wikipedia is quoting two sources that are both the same text??? < 1373547095 50144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haswell architecture is specifically designed[5] to optimize the power savings and performance benefits from the move to FinFET transistors on the improved 22 nm process node.[6] < 1373547141 339029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably an attempt by one of them to drive traffic to their site < 1373547142 413765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haswell_Chip.jpg what causes the repeated patterns on chips like these < 1373547148 154722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I assume they're a bunch of duplicates of the same thing? < 1373547148 360433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably < 1373547169 13487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, isn't that a waffer with multiple CPUs? < 1373547171 660152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: most commonly it's RAM (e.g. L2 cache) < 1373547179 711965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a large repeating area < 1373547184 535900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh maybe < 1373547195 875547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately we will never know because ais523 won't click it :P < 1373547197 35987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but inside each CPU there are repeating patterns as well yes < 1373547212 796037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that particular image may just be multiple chips < 1373547217 388671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time believing the entire CPU is much smaller than a pin < 1373547222 338125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it says waffer in the description below < 1373547256 500771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically chips have to be that small, a single impurity makes the entire chip unusable < 1373547258 525294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would guess the CPU is about as bit as the pin, that is, the largest scale repeated structure is one CPU each. < 1373547263 283777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they need to make them small to fit between impurities on the wafer < 1373547268 891110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :big* < 1373547300 577932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it would be awfully thin if so < 1373547312 102731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't that the point of three core CPUs? One of the cores had an impurity in it? < 1373547323 627420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure that is unlikely though < 1373547338 473400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell GT2's die size is listed as 177 square millimetres; that's a 13 mm x 13 mm square, if square. < 1373547344 401788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1373547350 193996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're failed attempts to make quad core CPUs < 1373547369 251555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, presumably some of the dual core CPUs are quad cores with two failed cores as well? < 1373547383 736065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD still does 6-core CPUs right? what's up with that? < 1373547387 792210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's less likely, that'd be rare enough that it wouldn't be worth their time to separate them out and market them < 1373547388 61300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-core CPUs where two failed?? < 1373547390 778114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd probably be thrown away < 1373547394 831922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they might just be made as 6 < 1373547405 963444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373547415 566282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you don't really get 8 cores on a single CPU much < 1373547482 793947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway yeah, I suspect within each CPU, there is L2 cache in one area of the chip and then 4 cores, then some shared stuff at the top. That would fit with other (annotated) images I have seen of dies. < 1373547504 465361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1373547534 788572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The GPU is a big block there too, probably. < 1373547540 270048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the bottom part might be cache, then each of the 4 repeated bits could be a core, then at the "top" there is some common bus, power supply, clocks or similar. That is a rough guess. < 1373547548 819681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I suggested that above. < 1373547563 167001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mostly dark-red one, I think, based on the shapes of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2234017 < 1373547588 491792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway most of a physical CPU's area is just to allow for all the pins at a scale where the pins won't break if you touch them. < 1373547610 10199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh okay, so reverse of what I was thinking then < 1373547656 750380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you said GPU not CPU sorry < 1373547661 793911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words, they look similar < 1373547744 296362 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373547845 446746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is one reason why the companies try to put more stuff on the CPU (such as GPUs), less pins to go to external locations. (The other reason I can think of is less latency) < 1373547866 945150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also less size presumably < 1373547875 395902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is an effect of less external pins < 1373547885 940410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373547942 555258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOCs (System-On-a-Chip), such as found in phones, takes that even further, often integrating sound, wifi, bluetooth, DSPs and so on as well. < 1373547995 75869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PC is in a bit of a weird spot there, since adding the GPU onto the chip doesn't actually reduce number of pins currently. You still need that PCI express bus anyway. < 1373548013 47616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So latency would be the primary reason there I assume < 1373548042 814729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reduced costs, not having to make separate integrated GPU chipsets (at least for Intel) < 1373548191 889579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, What is the next step after 22nm? < 1373548215 825147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why did they go for 22 nm rather than 21 or 23? Or maybe 22.5? < 1373548320 709398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 nm is the next one. < 1373548348 740326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373548379 178363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 10, 7 and 5, but that's a bit speculative? < 1373548382 390345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't really care, I just write compilers that design chips, I don't actually make them < 1373548413 379324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still they only recently started taking advantage of 3D structures I believe? Previously it was mostly layered 2D right? < 1373548461 165691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be more efficient to design a cubic CPU? That would make the signal paths shorter it seems to me? A bit more complicated cooling though I guess < 1373548510 830713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "bit" more complicated to manufacture using current lithography techniques, most likely. < 1373548524 781259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1373548559 54653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you even do more than one layer currently? < 1373548588 362359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deposit a new layer of silicon on top? < 1373548635 648258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; another question along the same lines (where the answer is most likely "by being clever") is "how do they draw 20nm lines using light with wavelengths in the hundreds of nm?" < 1373548657 698064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use electron beams nowdays iirc? < 1373548697 587618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *exists*; I don't know what e.g. Intel uses at the moment. < 1373548705 481064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even the really low tech photolithography that schoolchildren use to make PCBs uses ultraviolet < 1373548706 172302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1373548716 248764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cuts your nanometres down a bit < 1373548718 705340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel has already outlined a path to use 193 nm immersion lithography down to 11 nm node" that's still light. < 1373548727 230446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373548751 100792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Immersion lithography is a photolithography resolution enhancement technique for manufacturing integrated circuits (ICs) that replaces the usual air gap between the final lens and the wafer surface with a liquid medium that has a refractive index greater than one. The resolution is increased by a factor equal to the refractive index of the liquid.") < 1373548755 928630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know they use double masking. Where they first use one mask then switch to another offset mask. < 1373548852 156628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Extreme ultraviolet lithography" has the greatest name. < 1373548854 318507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_integrated_circuit < 1373548868 174616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it is in the works < 1373548894 696286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have to do something. < 1373548930 847629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :More cores? More optimised instructions? There are lots of way to continue increasing performance in the future < 1373548966 990993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an FPGA section of the chip that could be optimised for each application < 1373548970 465736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be cool < 1373549056 292501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Intel has done some forays to the EUL direction. < 1373549066 237289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUL? < 1373549078 454924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Extreme ultraviolet lithography? < 1373549108 542352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that into xrays already? < 1373549125 759994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Extreme ultraviolet lithography (also known as EUV or EUVL) is a next-generation lithography technology using an extreme ultraviolet (EUV) wavelength, currently expected to be 13.5 nm." < 1373549145 272173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's still ultraviolet down to 10 nm. < 1373549150 787663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373549154 740151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then x-rays from 10 to 0.1. < 1373549190 304158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Intel Lithography Roadmap" requires a login. I wonder if I have an Intel account. < 1373549199 875741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gamma below that? < 1373549226 587157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a lithography roadmap require a login? < 1373549270 425722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://noggin.intel.com/content/the-intel-lithography-roadmap -> click link -> "To access this additional content, you must first log in. If you haven't yet registered, please sign up. It's quick, it's free, it's easy!" < 1373549279 709553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not an answer to the "why". < 1373549290 982918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's merely a statement that the roadmap requires a login < 1373549301 824602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lithography technologies, such as 193nm, 157nm, and EUV lithography, which have benefited from Intel investment, have gained industry acceptance, while competing technologies, such as x-ray lithography, are no longer being pursued." < 1373549306 736965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way they put it. < 1373549320 145602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how good is the clevo's touchpad :P < 1373549326 884096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's p. standard. < 1373549376 374981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard is bad < 1373549384 488225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never met a touchpad i didnt dislike..... < 1373549445 440888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same, go for trackpoints. < 1373549473 825691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's a pretty evasive way to praise themeselves < 1373549476 822927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themselves < 1373549503 525273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I'd be surprised if there were any ASIC manufacturing technologies that Intel hadn't put at least a bit of money into determining how well they worked < 1373549679 207475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it sounds more like a threat. "Nice lithography technology you've got here. Would be shame if something happened to it, and it was no longer pursued." < 1373549709 717380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they're the ones giving the money instead of getting it. < 1373549774 551227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there actually any sharp difference between 11 nm UV and 10 nm x-ray? < 1373549787 567436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds more like an arbitrary line < 1373549804 146281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a one nanometer difference hth < 1373549810 481097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's pretty sharp." < 1373549822 144434 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1373549824 649380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the distinctions between different sorts of light are pretty arbitrary < 1373549833 617265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even visible, because not everyone's eyes are identical < 1373550119 167422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that there are no precisely defined boundaries between the bands of the electromagnetic spectrum; rather they fade into each other like the bands in a rainbow (which is the sub-spectrum of visible light)." Some Wikipedia editor's being very poetic there. < 1373550127 148630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was looking for standard definitions.) < 1373550239 884260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITU apparently has standard names, numbers and frequency boundaries for things that can be called radio, from EHF to ELF, but don't extend outside those bounds. < 1373550486 512723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the low-frequency end only starts from ULF, officially. (It goes ULF, VLF, LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF and EHF.) < 1373550525 265154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no; there is ELF, but it's four bands wide, and in a separate table; and SLF is missing. Way to be logical, guys. < 1373550548 564412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought ELF was an executable format < 1373550626 829216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultra-Linkable Format, Very Linkable Format, Linkable Format, ... < 1373550647 670191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Super-Linkable format is missing. < 1373550660 73290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, the Extremely Linkable Format is objectively better. < 1373550661 204508 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :High Frequency, Very High Frequency, Unusually High Frequency, Surprisingly High Frequency, Excessively High Frequency < 1373550767 308117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Apparently some authors[1] use THF for "Tremendously High Frequency". < 1373550776 156809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your names fit that pretty well. < 1373550790 189285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] Tanenbaum, Andrew (2002). Computer Networks. page 101: Prentice Hall. p. 912. ISBN 978-0-13-066102-9. < 1373550840 389671 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373550923 464010 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1373551127 369731 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373551408 600920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should figure out a way to take photos in radio wavelengths. I want to look what it looks like when I stand in front of a wifi router. < 1373551532 644695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I imagine it'd look much the same as taking a photo of a lightbulb < 1373551563 378818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :routers don't send signals that turn corners for the same reason that lasers don't shoot out light sideways in real life, like they do in films < 1373551571 29807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, surely I wouldn't be completely invisible? < 1373551585 977702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you were taking a photo of it < 1373551593 25810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than someone taking a photo of you next to it < 1373551598 172993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you'd probably be at least slightly visible < 1373551600 898010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, me standing in between camera and the router < 1373551604 822751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although human bodies don't block radio waves very well < 1373551608 741318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1373551623 295086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is part of the reason radio is used for communication) < 1373551651 1142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the world would be transparent. That would be pretty cool I think < 1373551671 856865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not fully transparent < 1373551676 217351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But partly at least < 1373551711 695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I imagine the main technical obstacle to building a camera like that is that it would have to be tens of metres across, or perhaps more depending on the wavelength < 1373551882 602909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, reading up on MIMO (curse you wikipedia, I started out reading about lithography and ended up at MIMO...). That is pretty clever. < 1373552115 958309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If antennas length need to match the wavelength, why does normal FM radio work? You can just turn a dial or press a few buttons, and it doesn't extend or retract the antenna afaik. < 1373552362 129919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't need to match exactly; it works better the closer the match is < 1373552366 761077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1373552373 499043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll still work at non-100% efficiency if the match isn't perfect < 1373552381 960917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get some of the signal reflecting rather than being transmitted < 1373553009 388878 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373553045 494794 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373553246 308195 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373553931 857032 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan < oerjan> was that command ever intended to have a useful purpose? <-- no < 1373553932 122057 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373554484 519947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373554546 265610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (899) < 1373554548 331923 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (899): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1373554557 278109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I bet oerjan joined to tell me. < 1373554566 500355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: boo < 1373554575 225934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O KAY < 1373554587 699752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i bet 900 will be big and important?? < 1373554599 900089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo! < 1373554618 479044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um were previous round numbers important? < 1373554642 120933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1373554647 829652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them? < 1373554655 438404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0300.html looks kind of important i guess < 1373554696 750786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timing xykon < 1373554698 131010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 400 is important < 1373554699 739600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, given what happened in 898 < 1373554701 887757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :500? i don't know < 1373554703 255334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the end of the story arc < 1373554723 45345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do you read `olist? < 1373554727 955321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to be added to the list? < 1373554740 190822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nah, I just check manually from time to time < 1373554750 124209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no particular reason to have up-to-the-minute updates < 1373554754 271064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it updates kind-of slowly anyway < 1373554759 434549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that I'm often not in the channel < 1373554765 103383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've noticed. < 1373554780 794737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523 is here! < 1373554786 579957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm often offline even when I'm not in the channel < 1373554801 937604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were gone for so long that the channel sprouted some new ops. < 1373554846 214834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373554868 762464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to leave again tbf, except perhaps when something new happens that I care about talking about < 1373554927 774099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's nice having you here, when you're here. < 1373554979 990950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you should stay.) < 1373556455 558750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re "photos in radio wavelengths", there's a couple of cameras that take "photos" of sound -- http://phys.org/news/2013-05-world-handheld-camera-ready.html and the like. < 1373556655 55335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an NFS mount gets so broken that you cannot even kill -9 processes trying to access it, must a linux machine then be rebooted? < 1373556676 437508 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373556681 350551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix the NFS server and hope it recovers hth < 1373556707 708691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is the _server_ is fine, it's the client which has problems :P < 1373556782 227160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not actually me who is administrating this, i'm just wondering if i can expect to get kicked off when they fix it. < 1373556855 215352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the server is fine i mean that i can access my mail inbox fine from a third machine. < 1373556983 73176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really guaratee the health of the NFS service operating on it, though. (I think in most cases rebootless fixes should be possible.) < 1373557005 354200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373557035 174887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the third machine also accesses via NFS, of course) < 1373557079 786543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or "non-fixes" of the kind of "let the process stay dead, lazy-unmount the broken NFS mount, and wait for the next scheduled reboot for a more permanent solution".) < 1373557119 791822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373557161 936857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they can remount a second time... < 1373557179 278620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise no one can access mail from this machine. < 1373557395 77924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lazy umount just removes the mount from the filesystem tree; it shouldn't be a problem mounting something working in its place, unless of course the NFS client code makes that a problem. < 1373557457 656082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1373557525 510249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NFS hangups I've seen at work lately have ended at I/O errors in the process (in a reasonable time; not days) -- possibly corresponding to people doing something to the server. But I don't admin those either. < 1373557688 880901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there may not be any admins active at the moment. yesterday there was a different but probably related problem and i quickly got an email back. < 1373557723 142529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, the X1 Carbon is nice, I can talk about its strengths and weaknesses if you like < 1373557870 471867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds good! I am really tired but if you have a monologue I will read it and I might have more questions tomorrow < 1373558295 661014 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373558452 229889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i haven't read all the logs yet, but it looks to me like your concurrency primitive should be trivial to implement in haskell < 1373558482 998193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd like to see the impl; also I don't know how concurrency works in Haskell, which is part of the reason I wouldn't try to work it out myself < 1373558608 882430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh except for one thing, it definitely cannot be pure, you'd want to allocate an MVar to communicate between invocations. < 1373558658 303678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: alt. we can do it tomorrow < 1373558862 306096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow sounds good < 1373558864 452407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 1373559466 201388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, lame doesn't take flac as input. Now what? (No I can't use ogg here, the device I need to put this on only supports mp3) < 1373559514 866175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert lame pun here < 1373559556 773790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice < 1373559607 86641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: flac --decode --stdout foo.flac | lame --preset standard /dev/stdin ... or whatever < 1373559610 429611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need a temp file < 1373559634 682481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does flac --decode output? PCM? < 1373559648 155225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a .wav file I think < 1373559653 8809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1373559703 104843 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg -i foo.flac -o foo.mp3 or whatever < 1373559753 437394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lame --help says - will work for stdin so that should be good < 1373559764 48937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Is that better than lame? < 1373559871 254988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in *.flac; do flac --decode --stdout "$i" | lame --preset extreme - "${i/.flac/}.mp3"; done <-- this should work right? Not sure about that /.flac/ syntax, but I think it is correct? < 1373559886 81651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it seems correct < 1373559912 688440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this takes ages, how to parallelize? I usually use xargs -P < 1373559933 411434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that GNU parallel thing. < 1373559950 222401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, --preset extreme is overkill. < 1373559953 130055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yeah doing this with xargs would be complicated, maybe through a sh call < 1373559956 535920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1373559966 972225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything between standard and extreme? < 1373559973 165366 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373560000 334837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But ffmpeg is deprecated!1 < 1373560014 102965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I don't think so. but I really doubt standard fails to be transparent on non-pathological examples without equally pathological listening conditions < 1373560015 29394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what? < 1373560038 224998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The command-line tool, I mean; tou're supposed to use "avconv" these days. < 1373560050 75527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 190 kbps and LAME is p. good at encoding < 1373560065 675736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did the original ffmpeg project give up or is it still a hostile fork situation? < 1373560072 916826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh < 1373560081 551088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: http://sprunge.us/TbBh < 1373560099 380147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think avconv's part of the official ffmpeg now, or something. I haven't really been following. < 1373560129 767986 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not < 1373560164 282694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a "libav" thing, mhmm. < 1373560168 438615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg 0.10's changelog from 2012 says " < 1373560169 774158 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all features from avconv merged into ffmpeg" < 1373560174 422464 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what that means < 1373560218 915528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either. < 1373560300 917516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I guess you shouldn't be using avconv if your libavcodec and friends comes from FFmpeg and not libav. < 1373560307 390313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad it's not confusing or anything. < 1373560430 927968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html < 1373560480 570181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so the main good things are, it's thin, light, and has a screen with a not embarassingly low resolution < 1373560497 535940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1600x900 while the other ultraportable thinkpads are 1366x768) < 1373560533 342819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery life is fine (I get about 5 hours in a moderately tuned Linux system) but the battery charges really quickly, which is nice < 1373560556 976374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it will charge from 20% to 80% in 30 min or so < 1373560558 82223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(includes stuff about the deprecation warning) < 1373560564 520868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a FFmpeg/Libav war child --" < 1373560572 862517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tragedy. I shed a tear. < 1373560576 144045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there are Ivy Bridge power management improvements in Linux 3.10 and I should try that < 1373560604 450222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it suspends and resumes from RAM *really* fast < 1373560610 885666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like resume takes 1 second before the machine is completely usable again < 1373560624 987453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why suspend to RAM should be slow, but it's always been a bit slower on other thinkpads i've owned < 1373560688 8046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ffmpeg < 1373560688 454063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/arvid/.cache/keyring-cU64W7/pkcs11: No such file or directory < 1373560692 169153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? WHY!? < 1373560701 351997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is ffmpeg doing that?! < 1373560732 151111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1373560780 118509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you have any idea if it might be getting Haswell any time soon < 1373560795 923339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1373560803 351204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no expert on lenovo kremlinology < 1373560812 34764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't even get a straight answer as to when the i7/8GB model would be available < 1373560834 312797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is it not possible to add a few extra RAM modules yourself? < 1373560841 242662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1373560844 79994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?! < 1373560845 35257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think you can get i7 + 8GB now < 1373560845 838121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an "ultrabook", RAM is soldered on < 1373560847 983870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf told me tales < 1373560849 455314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1373560858 716200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yet another reason to go for normal laptops < 1373560873 692499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt Vorpal and I have different utility functions < 1373560875 837418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to admit I fail to see the reasoning here < 1373560876 909930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, also there's a touch version now < 1373560881 939798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, right. < 1373560895 762115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you can't upgrade the RAM < 1373560900 893726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can't get 8 gigs of RAM so you should get a machine that is worse at doing what it's for in every respect other than it happens to have 8 gigs of RAM" < 1373560908 971729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I have 8 gigs of RAM!! < 1373560912 342396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wish I had 16 :( < 1373560915 904027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you maybe can't remove the SSD either; I need to try that < 1373560927 826807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past the ability to quickly remove the hdd from thinkpads has been very useful in disaster type situations < 1373560942 982030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the SSD is a mSATA card but I've also heard otherwise < 1373560944 319683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like having the ability to extend the hardware easily as my needs changes. < 1373560974 693372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes my main misgivings look like (a) no quad core (solved by haswell??) (b) intel graphics (made less bad by haswell??) (c) 8 gigs of ram limit < 1373560982 774702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems reasonable < 1373560982 981239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) the screen could do with being even higher-resolution...... :( < 1373560993 136856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there will probably be a 'retina' version someday < 1373561001 242603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a chromebook pixel instead ;P < 1373561007 326452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I think samsung has a high dpi laptop too now < 1373561010 45842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs < 1373561020 771113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, on my thinkpad I only need to remove a single screw to change the HDD. I need to remove 4 to reach the RAM modules. < 1373561024 804922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also looking at https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 because of shachaf < 1373561033 109303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes I have owned thinkpads before as well < 1373561042 882570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Anyway should my ram break I can replace it. Couldn't if it was soldered on. < 1373561047 714217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 32 :3 < 1373561050 133906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had RAM break < 1373561057 453787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which my main misgiving is whether the touchpad is any good < 1373561061 740163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I interpreted that as "I have 32 Thinkpads". < 1373561070 771200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and whether iris pro is actually decent enough) < 1373561072 644320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Not for ages. (Early 2000s iirc) < 1373561074 834633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other issues: Linux hardware support isn't *quite* there yet. it's mostly fine, but occasionally sound freaks out, this can usually be fixed by removing and reinstalling the kernel module, but not always < 1373561086 992080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've occasionally had similar issues with wireless too < 1373561100 402322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is frequent enough to really be annoying < 1373561122 483084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can keep listing drawbacks of this machine without Vorpal assuming that I'm a dumbass who didn't know these things when I bought it < 1373561123 19849 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... gigabytes XD < 1373561138 528633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and listing irrelevant facts at me < 1373561139 101186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how much have you actually managed to use < 1373561144 419616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm not assuming you are a dumbass :P < 1373561144 625245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ignoring disk caches and stuff < 1373561174 618790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And finding out linux hw support in advance tends to be rather hit or miss I found. < 1373561194 913070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't forget to mention the keyboard < 1373561196 253524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also it takes a different power adapter plug than other thinkpads :( (the standard round barrel is too thick for the case) < 1373561212 40378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't have any thinkpads and never have so that's not really a concern at least :P < 1373561214 758450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373561220 392392 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um... I think I probably use like up to 2 or 3 GB for a game? plus a few gigs for other things so probably like 8-10 < 1373561222 272551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had quite an investment in old-style power adapters < 1373561230 695898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disk cache is nice though! albeit not quite as useful with an SSD < 1373561248 126769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right! when I was playing around with ECM factoring I got to use 23 GB and actually ran out? xD < 1373561258 896388 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you do any programming? < 1373561262 172068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no onboard Ethernet; it ships with a USB Ethernet adapter that is only supported by recent-ish Linux (see http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/12/hex-editing-linux-kernel-modules-to.html) < 1373561272 147674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably use 32 GB just by compiling enough Haskell packages in parallel I guess < 1373561276 324835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any actual programming I mean < 1373561278 255297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what, do you mean "do i do any work instead of hanging out on IRC all day" < 1373561285 545350 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes =P < 1373561288 805229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1373561295 12507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a meeting in 10 min < 1373561303 408229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I did write code yesterday < 1373561308 834279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how is your IRC performance" < 1373561309 409942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, do you have to give Kensington® some money if you put a Kensington® hole® in your thing? < 1373561315 42389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have you sold any ThinkPads lately" < 1373561319 102139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are they believing your Mozilla cover story" < 1373561329 449433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You could take a look at the driver code and fix it once and for all < 1373561330 730499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: um... I think I probably use like up to 2 or 3 GB for a game? plus a few gigs for other things so probably like 8-10 <-- I mainly found that I use my 16 GB of RAM for running hundreds of chrome tabs. < 1373561341 164240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also the only video port is Mini DisplayPort; if you want VGA or DVI or HDMI you need an adapter as well, and that one is not included < 1373561348 54351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the occasional game, minecraft with mods especially. < 1373561367 952110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course panorama stitching, but that is not a very common activity. < 1373561375 912547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly use the 16 gigs at work to hold large matrices. < 1373561384 612972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have hundreds of tabs open regularly in Firefox, and it doesn't take anywhere near that much RAM < 1373561386 526179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no biggie < 1373561393 638584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh also my code was building, that's my other excuse < 1373561399 3868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Gaussian random data if I can't figure out what else to put there! (Not really.) < 1373561404 481884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you added any code yet < 1373561408 348840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373561408 594268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, well of course chrome doesn't take it all. Usually about 1 GB total as far as I can tell. < 1373561413 300328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hope your matrix multiplication algorithm has good cache locality < 1373561416 721138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, but it gives room for still doing other stuff < 1373561444 669691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/mozilla/servo/commit/9f6de7e5e30ff84bbe04d22c04a22fa33e4aa8e7 https://github.com/mozilla/servo/commit/cfffd0542404b60923f3f524f5144693d9b89f00 v. important changes < 1373561447 119918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It's MATLAB's matrix multiplication algorithm, I'm sure it has all the good things and none of the bad things; I mean, MATLAB. It's got MAT right in the name. < 1373561453 893042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only benefit I would have from 16GB would be more filesystem cache < 1373561474 714666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how quickly n+1 browser tabs can eat up 8 GB < 1373561475 475574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you need matrices that big for < 1373561491 98576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: those both look more like removing code to me < 1373561491 634797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rodina MAT < 1373561496 920341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes isn't it great < 1373561500 408747 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373561502 626597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked if you added any! < 1373561511 9926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373561511 875051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that the "brand" of the holes? < 1373561514 103535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go write some hacks to handle awful CSS edge-cases < 1373561531 360185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Officially it's a "Kensington Security Slot", I think. < 1373561531 566174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never seen a Kensington lock, I only ever seen other brands that fit the same hole. < 1373561554 948868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Address pcwalton's comments" "Address pcwalton's nits" wow pcwalton, give em a break < 1373561566 401889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen the holes. Well, I guess I've seen a couple of locks at stores and so on, don't know which brand. < 1373561585 152425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, we have locks at work. < 1373561658 451201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some no-name brand lock I believe. Not that we need it. Just a general company laptop security policy. < 1373561689 915744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, you know... so many things are en-squared. If you have a 30k-dimensional vectors and ask for something that wants to make a covariance matrix, that's 30000 x 30000 = 900 million 8-byte floats = 6.7 gigs right there. < 1373561781 512113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering where you need 30k-dimensional vectors < 1373561804 692513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns live in a 30k-dimensional universe < 1373561814 746276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how fizzie plans his commute < 1373561823 411689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be very confusing < 1373561881 953964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: At least you don't have to calculate a 30k x 30k x 30k tensor, then you'd never have enough RAM =P < 1373561922 458103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Activation vectors for a 30k-element dictionary of atoms hth < 1373562057 800254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Also sometimes you have 30k 39-dimensional vectors and accidentally give it to the function transposed, because half the functions expect observations in column vectors and other half in row vectors. (The truth comes out.) < 1373562088 721238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, you're doing a physics simulation? < 1373562098 869101 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that explains everything < 1373562104 575144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's ok to admit finns live in a bizarre and disorienting world, incomprehensible to all outsiders. < 1373562107 554976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we already know that < 1373562123 697570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know all those dimensions from string theory? Yeah, they've all curled up in Finland. < 1373562169 4597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't really do physics simulations, I just like to refer to audio frames as "observations".) < 1373562525 711237 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 30000 x 30000 matrices for audio? Just what are you doing? < 1373563214 77188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I mentioned, activations for a 30k element dictionary of "exemplars". < 1373563236 535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a source separation thingie based on a NMF decomposition. < 1373563839 188403 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373563946 999903 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373563947 241705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1373563972 452743 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373564001 978651 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373564053 573419 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373564576 23870 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373565785 649404 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I went to bed at a reasonable time, but only properly woke up just now < 1373565806 835027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1373565811 699131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you improperly wake up before that? < 1373565829 268145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly enough elliott just went to sleep < 1373565857 343237 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1373565876 505442 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I had increasingly weird REM half-sleeps < 1373565891 384588 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suppose it's not like I was getting actual rest out of that < 1373566304 670697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Have you installed a small spy camera in elliott's room? (Clearly the most likely conclusion.) < 1373566470 36403 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam's razor suggests that assuming it's small is superfluous < 1373566476 217151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking with him -_- < 1373566508 32080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's just a cover story. < 1373566551 383678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a cutiepants okay I can't help it < 1373566741 78632 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373566811 601873 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373567216 515281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricked again by /bin/sh -> /bin/dash < 1373567530 163329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static THROBBER: [char, ..8] = [ '⣾', '⣽', '⣻', '⢿', '⡿', '⣟', '⣯', '⣷' ]; < 1373567662 546996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize where those characters are from but it should have been obvious really < 1373568112 824816 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet blind people get totally confused when reading the output from that software. < 1373568219 34127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it looks fancy as anything, though. < 1373568230 253134 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fancy devices that do dynamic embossing, but that seems no harder to do with plain letters. < 1373568298 300496 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who use Braille likely know ASCII better than any of us not from the punchcard era < 1373568300 982622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what *is* that from? Isn't Braille just three rows? < 1373568322 621146 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :super cool extended braille isn't < 1373568369 987699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. < 1373568685 361170 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text [chr $ ord '⣟' Data.Bits..&. ord '⣾'] < 1373568686 436994 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⣞ < 1373568688 613542 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1373568739 402382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Debian installer has lots of support for braille ttys, also for speech synthesis of the menus < 1373568742 358449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool < 1373568857 728167 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373569141 934071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text [chr $ ord '⣟' `xor` ord '⣾'] -- less cute < 1373569143 10579 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ! < 1373569157 126455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should've put that stuff right at the beginning of Unicode, for cuteness. < 1373569233 651600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blind superiority < 1373569243 289787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text [chr $ ord '⠀' + (ord '⣟' `xor` ord '⣾')] -- magic space fix < 1373569244 354553 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠡ < 1373569380 527266 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam is just crawling today :/ < 1373569394 591406 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backend... so unresponsive.... < 1373569396 464769 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373569409 446407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text ['⠀'..'⣿'] < 1373569410 250444 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠁⠂⠃⠄⠅⠆⠇⠈⠉⠊⠋⠌⠍⠎⠏⠐⠑⠒⠓⠔⠕⠖⠗⠘... < 1373569414 401223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww. < 1373569430 474618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: You could've done a little more than that. < 1373569431 814725 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t text < 1373569432 619059 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc < 1373569436 469183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we should use these as a text transport for binary data < 1373569443 203667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['⠀'..'⣿'] < 1373569444 543082 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\10240\10241\10242\10243\10244\10245\10246\10247\10248\10249\10250\10251\1... < 1373569448 565058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much better. < 1373569452 336598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits each right? < 1373569454 782381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The multiline query version looked nice.) < 1373569462 606218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are some combos verboten < 1373569473 792608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw today is free slurpee day at 7-Eleven < 1373569476 794475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only in the USA < 1373569490 869140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, there's quite a few Braille variants, esp. concerning the 8-cell versions. < 1373569498 626868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Unicode has the whole set of symbols. < 1373569502 46469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason: date +%m-%d < 1373569547 45959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never forget, 7/11. < 1373569590 907646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no 7-Elevens in Finland. < 1373569622 58350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are some in Denmark, Norway and Sweden, which I don't think is entirely fair.) < 1373569682 270202 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373569718 601362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373569796 236350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, the Steam Summer Sale. So that's why everyone's[weasel words][dubious - discuss] talking about Steam, and it's down. < 1373569830 94723 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to Discussion:Fizzie < 1373569850 632192 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, Talk:Fizzie. it's been a while. < 1373569855 247758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Tal... right < 1373569887 662978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even mentioned at Talk:Bath bomb, and Talk:Bath fizzie is a redlink. :/ < 1373569909 455567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ "Wave 4" was released in August 2005, and it included Bertie, Purkle, Spangle, Dilly, Skinker, and Fizzie. ]] < 1373569917 30492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In good company, I'd say? < 1373569922 659205 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :redirect talk pages are unloved < 1373569938 988596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "Bath fizzie" isn't a redirect. < 1373569950 938403 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there was some mess with exchanging articles, redirects, and disambiguation pages, and the talk pages went along for the ride < 1373569958 356753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a really kinda weird article instead, and completely different than the Bath bomb one. < 1373569977 456579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think perhaps written by a chemist, or something. < 1373569982 663579 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373570010 720163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- designed to effervesce in personal bath water -- amorphous grains of homogeneous mixture -- solid boluses of homogeneous or inhomogeneous mixture -- ingredients must include one or more acid(s) and one or more water-soluble bicarbonate, sesquicarbonate, and/or carbonate -- other water-soluble, water-dispersible, and/or volatile ingredients --" < 1373570013 938190 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. slap a merge tag on it, or something. < 1373570030 831134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, me, edit Wikipedia? I'm not one of those guys. < 1373570040 164992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /used/ to be one of those guys < 1373570064 497897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that: In principle a fizzie could release phosphoric anhydride gas, but the release of gas from phosphate salts is so slow that any phosphates present in either beverage or bath fizzies are for other purposes. < 1373570095 297270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, I only release phosphoric anhydride gas after very specific meals. < 1373570132 284530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also gratuitous use of bold.) < 1373570146 949786 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it you who releases it or intestinal bacteria? < 1373570154 195068 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, both? < 1373570217 230091 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373570545 939167 :mtve-!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571058 658366 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571061 32703 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571061 238409 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571061 238620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373571458 902009 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571549 815918 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571550 21803 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373571664 542465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, a full screen installer with a blue gradient background. This is old! < 1373571672 861433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they ever do that btw? < 1373571686 71537 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571686 277348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373571813 352016 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373571897 421172 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322255 < 1373571971 118045 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373572073 585966 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373572131 587208 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373572131 792716 :tswett_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1373572360 243012 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgykrscmvaumwbes QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373572362 46787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373572364 397542 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373572364 918037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, heh < 1373572431 788454 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/media/rm465020160/tt2724064?ref_=butt < 1373572698 644912 :tswett_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett NICK :tswett < 1373573512 957457 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ref_=what? < 1373573551 587548 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I wonder if all you wonderful people can help me with a problem I'm facing. < 1373573561 288269 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1373573564 61629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to store a directed acyclic graph in a database. < 1373573601 474579 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I try to add a new edge to the graph, I first look up all paths that would create a cycle with that edge. < 1373573610 895057 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that I have a table containing all paths. < 1373573636 901204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The table has three columns: "head", which is the first edge in the graph; "last", which is the last; and "tail", which is a reference to the tail of the path. < 1373573686 468990 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the path table forms a tree. < 1373573761 448459 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I add a new edge, I need to add new paths containing that edge. But I can't figure out a good way to do that. < 1373573768 698771 :oerjan_!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373573896 950205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all paths? isn't that an exponential number? < 1373573911 828753 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially. < 1373573923 41044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesh, that sounds painful < 1373573926 793564 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the algorithm is reasonably straightforward, now that I think of it. < 1373573932 279062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373573943 357597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be better to have some storage method that doesn't involve exponential space <.< < 1373573946 344578 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with a list of all relevant paths already in the database, then just recursively extend them backwards. < 1373573951 705922 :oerjan_!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1373573955 723118 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If performance gets to be an issue, I'll rethink stuff. < 1373574070 36559 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone spoke to me in privmsg in about the last 2 hours, my nick has been a ghost < 1373574092 485114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you look for paths that would create a cycle just to throw an error if you find one, or for some other reason? < 1373574104 61077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want to know "would this new edge form a cycle" then there are simpler data structures you can use < 1373574133 715845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: for some other reason. I need to do something with every edge in the cycle. < 1373574138 840132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373574149 201396 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then delete one of the edges. < 1373574244 624616 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't hpaste.org alive any more? < 1373574282 502015 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might it not be a little less exponential to like, store the results of an all-pairs shortest path thing? < 1373574290 57643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's N^2 if you do it the dynamic programmy way < 1373574310 46869 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1373574317 838094 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1373574318 44059 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1373574357 808317 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well, adding a single edge could create exponentially many cycles, and I could potentially want to operate on all of them. < 1373574401 696923 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whatever method I use needs to be able to tell me about all of those cycles. < 1373574434 430659 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but like, you can have exponentially many *paths* without having exponentially many cycles < 1373574466 881080 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... huh ... < 1373574477 261019 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exponential in what < 1373574478 868252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you distinguish different cycles? like what counts as two different cycles < 1373574512 136993 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :made up of different vertices? < 1373574518 360560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if A->B, B->C, B->D, C->A, and D->A, is A->B->C->A and A->B->D->A two different cycles? < 1373574537 305778 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think so... < 1373574574 584941 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't they be? < 1373574665 970877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually um. that's a question if you have a directed acyclic graph with V vertices and E edges, what's the maximum number of cycles adding an edge could create... < 1373574741 92698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it should be maximized by adding the final mossing edge to make a complete graph < 1373574745 425396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*missing < 1373574773 52078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(complete in both directions) < 1373574870 222845 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373574964 980938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could such a graph have no cycles? < 1373574992 960172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/BbPmpQi.png here's an example I was thinking of... I guess this example does create an exponential number of cycles < 1373574993 491540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1373574995 998547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1373575000 668833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(red is the new edge) < 1373575017 659066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the number of vertex in the diamond gets larger, I think the number of cycles approaches 2^V? < 1373575026 292339 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like, there's a branching factor of 2 < 1373575054 359430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(V/2) < 1373575075 222401 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more < 1373575100 306724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people who were working on problems of graphs like this < 1373575185 962711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the branching factor is 2 for the bottom half, but maybe no be on the top half. the actual number of paths is given by a nice recurrence relation i think < 1373575242 745816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/7048 < 1373575252 171130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the recurrence relation will involve a two times something n-1. < 1373575405 854839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Intuitively speaking, the paths after going left first + the paths after going right first, which look like they'd be smaller semi-diamond-like graphs.) < 1373575502 557973 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sleep soon < 1373575510 175613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste is down :/ < 1373575514 800333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to link some amusing things from there < 1373575567 758791 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lpaste < 1373575592 467477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://lpaste.net/ < 1373575596 800305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#paths(n) = f(n,n) where f(n,m) = f(n-1,m) + f(m,n-1); add some base cases and solve; and the n in #paths(n) is sqrt(V). Or some-such.) < 1373575623 554038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Does lpaste have hpaste pastes? < 1373575632 440486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think so < 1373575637 648211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Fancy. < 1373575669 696697 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/1 dated 2008 < 1373575706 408136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it actually is hpaste < 1373575712 340109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just with a different name and domain < 1373575794 740719 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373575870 373564 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373575915 494885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A000984 is the number of paths for a diamond with edge size (number of vertices) of n, I think. (I might have gotten that all wrong.) < 1373575991 141996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments seem to bear it out. E.g. "Number of possible values of a 2*n bit binary number for which half the bits are on" aka "number of ways you can take left and right paths to end up at the top of the diamond". < 1373576068 198642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The number of lattice paths from (0,0) to (n,n) using steps (1,0) and (0,1)" is even closer.) < 1373576244 604780 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that exactly the same < 1373576265 47492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're comments for the same sequence, of course they're exactly the same. < 1373576288 682920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant "closer to Fiora's Diamond™". < 1373576340 451586 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the number of lattice paths is the same as paths in the diamond < 1373576365 367848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1373576379 475585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it was supposed to be, too. < 1373576780 704144 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just chop off the top half of the diamond and have everything connect to one top point < 1373576962 662739 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373576998 228839 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373577295 923266 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373577365 155855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be, what, 2^n paths, with V = n*(1+n)/2? < 1373577488 778464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess +1 for the star at the top.) < 1373577630 341957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hpaste is up, it's just the domain. < 1373577632 215021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where paste < 1373577632 421088 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.tryhaskell.org/new/haskell < 1373577664 108149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lpaste is the same thing now. < 1373577756 789422 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Fiora's diamond < 1373577759 277356 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm) < 1373577855 115747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the formula guys < 1373577865 805873 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A000984 < 1373577873 338526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for the nxn diamond < 1373577912 483583 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad to see fizzie figured out the same recurrence i did while i was in the shower :D < 1373577939 758525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found the same sequenc < 1373577946 838158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay being late to the party < 1373578001 756562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott decide on a laptop < 1373578012 303547 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's asleep right now, I think < 1373578013 648028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373578144 161634 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373578184 715623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of direct routes from my home to Granny's when < 1373578184 921508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granny lives n blocks south and n blocks east of my home < 1373578184 921703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Grid City. To obtain a direct route, from the 2n < 1373578184 921790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocks, choose n blocks on which one travels south. For < 1373578185 522028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's just what he wants us to think? < 1373578186 899513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :example, a(2)=6 because there are 6 direct routes < 1373578196 389396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had thought of that solution < 1373578206 611992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez it's so obvious in retrospect < 1373578371 740544 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@184-97-131-171.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373578417 427064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding Granny: so easy, a pushdown automaton could do it. < 1373578472 242271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what sort of space you get if you add diagonal paths < 1373578508 378021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal to the southeast? < 1373578530 238198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Just in general < 1373578535 865654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it wouldn't be taxicab space anymore < 1373578540 202686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recurrence gets much uglier < 1373578568 732366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the southeast? Isn't that just +f(n-1,m-1)? < 1373578733 145771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A001850 and so on. < 1373579484 547407 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373579520 240902 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373579733 625711 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373579749 667068 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yycmulcjvmupyqsi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373579772 944753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The general taxicab-with-diagonals distance is called Chebyshev distance, or chessboard distance (king moves), or maximum metric (from D(a,b) = max_i |a_i - b_i|), or probably by some further names.) < 1373579959 402267 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1373580099 2143 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks fizzie < 1373580122 285495 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373580132 380643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember looking at it earlier but I forgot about it < 1373580222 571355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems Chebyshev and Taxicab metrics are duals of each other or something < 1373580262 29622 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373580312 311155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungohno < 1373580330 654912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungone < 1373580384 974539 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373580390 602250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungoback < 1373580561 792879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one cool thing in Rust is that you can put debug print statements all over your code, and then enable them at runtime with an env var < 1373580574 958809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do this on a per-module basis, without needing to reiterate the name of the module on each print statement < 1373580589 823224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a lot of languages should have this, but I don't think I've seen it before < 1373580628 608024 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So it's like assert in C but for printing? < 1373580660 755616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a debug print statement, haven't you seen those before < 1373580693 287748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: kmc's point is that they are always in the code, but only turn on when compiling with debugging < 1373580695 163466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ones where you leave them in and then you say "enable debug printing for module foo:bar" at runtime < 1373580701 407974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no do pay attention please < 1373580707 613291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> enable them at runtime with an env var < 1373580708 947557 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `enable'Not in scope: `them'Not in scope: `runtime'Not in sco... < 1373580711 361538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1373580714 607692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, runtime ones < 1373580718 398169 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get for 4chanquoting. < 1373580733 519850 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That quote style is much older than 4chan < 1373580733 789855 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These pens are not for everyone. They are pens that are for people that appreciate quality and are willing to spend a little extra on having something that is fairly unique. EiMIM stands for Everything in Moderation, Including Moderation. Most of the time I try to keep things as simple as possible, but every once in a while I need to embrace indulgence. Will a $2 pen write? Absolutely. The thing is, there is no soul in that pen. It was ... < 1373580740 69173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... produced with a million other pens exactly like it. These pens are different. < 1373580749 786382 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yks is amazing xD < 1373580759 204089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen lots of logging systems but usually you're required to name some "logger" on each print statement and that's what you can enable/disable < 1373580770 266166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than it being implicitly controlled by the current module < 1373580780 554881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some of fancy C 'dprintf' macros (or whatnot) do enablation based on __FILE__ or top-of-source-file "MODULE" macro. < 1373580781 880061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'd say to that person, "If you like pens so much, make them" < 1373580789 521759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: #define log(s) real_log(__FILE__, s)? < 1373580789 789631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's cool < 1373580811 662267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fizzie said that. < 1373580849 568232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also __VA_ARGS__ so you can be all format string. < 1373580872 63662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373581018 128205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373581079 136071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373581129 652561 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/728/934/bf0f707a2fbf5f442603d2a948ac8761_large.png?1373294172 < 1373581206 32532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh they are making them. they are in-deed. < 1373581235 554920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Is Amazon Aws where they serve all the kitten pictures from? < 1373581269 624817 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373581328 129940 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, why... < 1373581370 851220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh did you see the table i think it's pretty clear. < 1373581439 32006 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the titanium 5 being used for < 1373581548 991857 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eimim/eimim-x-y-and-z-pens1 here < 1373581563 550303 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373581571 5898 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's gone wrong, Bike < 1373581574 762195 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's gone wrong < 1373581601 511801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and that thing is not enough craftsmanship < 1373581609 893229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the extra 1 at the end < 1373581615 87028 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i take it that these pens are A Bad Thing < 1373581618 573644 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/mos-def-force-fed-guantanamo-bay-video < 1373581701 42703 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eimim/eimim-x-y-and-z-pens < 1373581715 964530 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the x, y and z indicate < 1373581721 364464 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck his oxford commas < 1373581725 900735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's a better chart at http://www.sourcereal.com/ < 1373581741 460148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1373581743 949816 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in png form though!! < 1373581751 641327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have a copper pen < 1373581766 640922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, print it out and photograph it if you want a png. < 1373581798 35347 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373581799 106903 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use a png for a photograph < 1373581807 733028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: To waste bytes < 1373581813 640479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, pens for insufferable people < 1373581831 596183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungone 2: fungone harder < 1373581834 609797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because it's a photograph of text < 1373581896 355796 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the 'seamless design' is accomplished by cutting grooves all the way up the pen to make it hard to see the seam with the cap < 1373581904 240691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373581915 577881 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I use the strongest permanent neodymium magnets available. They provide a unique and innovative method of attaching the cap to the back of the pen during use." < 1373581935 677609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1373581937 858017 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are, er, calling the use of magnets to stick things together innovative < 1373581949 68907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah bitch! magnets!" < 1373581958 183788 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongest possible neodymium magnets < 1373581962 659595 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to be fair i don't think i've ever seen that in pens. < 1373581967 596917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cap isn't coming back off < 1373581972 526235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pen would be a hazard < 1373582000 26392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, probably because for, say, any kind of practical pen design it wouldn't really work < 1373582008 717900 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a h8r. < 1373582135 309065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNxhYdWEZHk < 1373582152 748436 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything that's MORE INNOVATIVE < 1373582182 109745 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha this is so dorky. < 1373582196 859708 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :patented magnetic engineering physics. < 1373582241 743570 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this seriously $30 for two pens. < 1373582257 136293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the end they're still shitty biros < 1373582274 142971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com/post/46417947427/hey-congrats-on-inventing-the-bowl-the-cookie < 1373582284 504680 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :High milk displacement dunk technology. < 1373582308 96858 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is taking the piss right < 1373582337 407597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, $7,734 was donated (though it wasn't funded, so) < 1373582351 491651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, they're probably writing it in a jokey tone < 1373582365 198357 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1339254269/ron-paul-road-to-revolution < 1373582365 730803 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a smokescreen over the fact that this is bullshit < 1373582366 806594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373582369 218318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got funded? < 1373582372 973527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron paul is a classic. < 1373582385 345273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it... a joke? was it funded as a joke? < 1373582387 529788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's the game, right? i don't think it's been made yet < 1373582412 67768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it a blatant scam or something < 1373582412 604046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that the thing where like the guy ended up admitting he had no idea how to make a game? < 1373582425 267711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373582428 19892 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just kinda died < 1373582436 156879 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, here's the problem: that finger extending, fist jamming, glass tilting lean to stretch for a dunk in those last few ounces of milk. It's an awful scenario. Best case? A partial dunk. Worst case? Milk spillage or you drop the cookie in and fish it out with a fork. < 1373582458 813589 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/438/812/28ef07a4bfb36e7852b766519f2f734e_large.png?1363050910 < 1373582475 433711 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cookies are you dunking for god's sake < 1373582525 730864 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this part of the new face of American Manufacturing? < 1373582528 142798 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! This is about how a small business, with a 3d printer in the back room (we don't even have a garage!), can iterate and develop an idea and then use Kickstarter to raise funds for production tooling. We work with local companies because ethically we think it's the right thing to do and it makes the most sense for a small company to manage the logistics. Our injection molder, packaging printer, assembly facility, warehouse, and order fulfi < 1373582550 748113 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that thing reminds me of those glasses that are supposedly modelled on a breast or something < 1373582559 335667 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort. < 1373582592 40374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373582689 604589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourkickstartersucks is the greatest < 1373582765 680865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373582767 288331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373582780 291732 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so that eimim pen thing < 1373582799 863304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the potential refills listed are the ones for fisher space pens < 1373582827 919148 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, fisher space pen refills are a complete ink + nib assembly < 1373582849 344208 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's not just charging $55 for a ballpoint pen, he's charging $55 for a ballpoint pen casing < 1373582935 837088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look if you buy expensive things then you're just flaunting wealth but if you buy expensive "minimalist" things then you can somehow pretend that it's morally justified and makes you better on an aesthetic plane as well < 1373582963 441581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway as usual: a pen that does what I want is minimal, a pen that does what you want is bloated < 1373583000 594669 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are you... insinuating that buying expensive things isn't morally justified) < 1373583023 472201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that all Disney movies have Mickey Mouse in them, but does that include Pixar? < 1373583053 585870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/aural.html < 1373583058 32992 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't believe all that you read! < 1373583071 832274 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean hidden mickeys? < 1373583085 921214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes < 1373583095 155802 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't pixar have those < 1373583119 276424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sometimes found Mickey Mouse in some Disney movies I have seen, without being told about it before, but mostly I haven't done so. < 1373583149 13691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know. I haven't seen it in any Pixar movies. < 1373583157 545579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But maybe I just didn't notice it) < 1373583188 334572 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, this is brilliant < 1373583197 843413 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't know if it's a joke but it's brilliant either way < 1373583270 969305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/std/local_data.html weird module imo < 1373583408 567488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers-forum/682220-memejacker-limited-reopening-popular-demand-rave-reviews-fastest-results-i-have-seen.html finally, i can make my own website. < 1373583480 537308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't jack my memes < 1373583632 392170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me a while to begin realizing that might not actually be a joke. < 1373583904 353144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality < 1373583914 419761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these statistics are starting to immensely confuse me < 1373583942 576589 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean according to these statistics the poorest ten percent of the bolivian population earn more than the richest 10%, afaict < 1373584018 587550 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says 93.9, so that's 93.9 times more for the richest 10% than the poorest 10% < 1373584030 990499 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, sort by CIA R/P 10% < 1373584045 308816 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still positive. < 1373584059 558870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, but it's a ratio < 1373584066 256987 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the average income of a member of the top 10% is 93.9 or 157.3 times the average income of a member of the bottom 10%. < 1373584081 701684 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, over one i meant, yeah, not positive. < 1373584084 110459 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1373584096 938825 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers aren't percentages < 1373584100 571242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeah < 1373584102 185173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, no. < 1373584108 188555 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1373584124 956065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think the top 10% of the UK earn a tenth of what the bottom 10% do ;) < 1373584126 137409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the numbers make a lot more sense now < 1373584151 170085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gini is a percentage, though. < 1373584167 629266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it's all that great as a metric but that's another matter) < 1373584338 88537 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think i was thinking it was p/r in percent) < 1373584416 729421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah having % in the column title desn't help < 1373584437 702066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com/post/47199723497/a-set-of-wooden-apple-keyboard-replacement-keys < 1373584445 66086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read this as 'tactical keys' < 1373584450 765299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was confusing and awesome < 1373584487 926148 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what would tactical keys be like? < 1373584513 681073 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sur < 1373584514 484902 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1373584543 73741 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they'd have little scopes fitted to them? < 1373584555 21001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...I could totally see one of them under my iMac screen, sat on my chipped old marble-topped desk" -WIRED < 1373584577 925143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wired.txt < 1373584595 156238 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh this thing is so ugly < 1373584605 795048 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't those basically just pieces of wood, made sticky on one side, and cut to match the keys? < 1373584612 321093 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373584616 913725 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1373584623 350635 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine they'd be horrible to use < 1373584638 530472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a tactile experience < 1373584684 58284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every set of Engrain Keys has it's own inherent beauty and natural tactility, turning your keyboard into an individualized work of art that will compliment your desktop, and engage your senses every time you type. < 1373584718 315221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Engrain Keys are not recommended for installation on laptops, as the clearance is inadequate when closed and could result in scratching the screen. < 1373584736 32683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1373584773 621206 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The idea for the Engrain Tactile Keys originally spawned from my graduate thesis work " must not stereotype must not stereotype < 1373584792 497036 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/378/842/d09309f192b8847a72846f77ef5d0cf8_large.jpg?1360358317 aghaghagh < 1373584808 61359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1373584838 780019 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like typing on lays < 1373584850 574112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they're actually cut to the grain of the wood or if they just cut some template onto it < 1373584853 528893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder which is worse < 1373584881 20427 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like they just cut holes in a plank < 1373584886 456033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the rest of the plank with the keys < 1373584909 366902 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but planks tend to be flat < 1373584929 896157 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i imagine it's very hard to get any other kind of plank < 1373584953 622207 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not flat it's not a plank it's just part of a tree < 1373585185 103450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373585267 907024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: when I went camping someone else had this amazingly comfortable foam mat made of fancy foam with circular holes cut in it... they told me that there's a company selling earplugs to the military and they sell the leftover sheets of foam as camping mats < 1373585272 547493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was super impressed < 1373585303 280230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373585326 119033 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've heard other stories about industrial processes like that < 1373585476 171697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → afk < 1373586332 212687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Terminal_Event_Management_Policy < 1373586363 856641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://jeb.biologists.org/content/early/2013/06/27/jeb.087809 < 1373586367 137523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still good < 1373586380 785813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah that's been going around < 1373586387 833317 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking crazy far as i'm concerned < 1373586412 584964 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should actually read the paper, the news i've seen is a bit ambiguous < 1373586421 313488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about needing a refresher training session after the decaptation < 1373586441 148731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(man jeb has the coolest papers) < 1373586569 248374 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good: i've been to campus twice, haven't paid tuition yet, aand have still gotten dozens of papers from campus access. < 1373586959 703071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ...the paper has line numbers. i have never seen this before. < 1373587285 190852 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The team injected their snails with two different types of lyophilized bacteria, Escherichia coli and Microccocus lysodeikticus, as well as ground-up gonads from an unlucky snail infected with a trematode parasite. Some snails escaped these treatments and just received innocuous injections of snail saline or ground-up uninfected gonads. < 1373588157 324747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373588176 161216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373588514 213417 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an animal eating the inside of my wall < 1373588531 754310 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a lot of creepy noises < 1373589363 822582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( I can't download Java 6 anymore without having an Oracle account < 1373589637 396153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't be giving a Java 6 application Administrative privileges anyway < 1373589705 761427 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh gosh, I found this thing on yks < 1373589712 738043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glennf/crowdfunding-a-guide-to-what-works-and-why I still can't get over the fact that this. existed, and /failed/ < 1373589736 153895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well did it fail < 1373589742 355038 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he cancelled it like halfway in < 1373589778 1826 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I mean, like. levels of irony < 1373589855 736604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting on a Kickstarter project I backed in 2011 < 1373589866 30528 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's that < 1373589874 485795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508284443/grandroids-real-artificial-life-on-your-pc?ref=live < 1373589878 548517 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it one of the first wave or was it something depressing and Sgeo < 1373589885 333714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was something depressing and Sgeo < 1373589910 273396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373589951 664870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i'd give up hope < 1373590042 822254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, he's still working on it < 1373590046 643870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see his blog posts < 1373590068 98908 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373590073 341186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :........AND I HAVE A COMPUTER THAT CAN RUN IT.... when it goes into backer-only beta someday < 1373590090 969001 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is pretty much a textbook case of a kickstarter that's doomed < 1373590096 438047 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, a game kickstarter < 1373590115 269654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he got the creatures to balance themselves < 1373590219 629441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike I couldn't find a copy of the book with the laughterless planet in it. So I'll take a different one. < 1373590219 893813 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373590394 453934 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373590429 794862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well like he's working without any kind of oversight or authority from the people funding him < 1373590460 582789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKRpxj5sqg8&feature=youtu.be < 1373590465 866513 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from past experience i suspect what'll happen is he'll piss that time away because there's no pressure on him to deliver rather than tinkering away forever and you'll all be left at a loss < 1373590486 317615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: https://twitter.com/Fausto_Sterling/status/355437744085938179 < 1373590489 527349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scroll up) < 1373590499 251493 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that workz < 1373590512 325789 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woow. < 1373590532 582140 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Planaria_nervous.png kind of shitty as brains go, tbh < 1373590556 192307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you look at that it's not really all that surprising is it < 1373590558 607509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand the paper claimed that they don't move while headless < 1373590571 25289 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably the "brain" does have the CPG sort of things < 1373590576 845908 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or drivers anyway < 1373590611 940528 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that thing about dinosaurs having a secondary neural cluster to control their hind legs actually true these days?) < 1373590627 211421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when they finally get working head transplants on mammals we'll be able to get a bigger idea of how non-brain memory works? < 1373590635 451109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well. non brain cognition things in general < 1373590641 524352 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's... a lot different between planarians and vertebrates. < 1373590655 654810 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i dunno about you but even as a bike i'm like 2000% more cephalized than those things. < 1373590661 150562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1373590665 623615 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... cephalized? < 1373590669 150298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Bike is a bike? < 1373590681 982708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalization I had no idea this was a thing < 1373590688 421603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are degrees of headedness. < 1373590699 795203 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a jellyfish or w/e doesn't have a centralized brain, unsurprisingly, just a nerve net < 1373590714 437766 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does it... ever concentrate at the... non-head end < 1373590734 904492 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "head" for this purpose is defined as the bit with the brain, so < 1373590737 85246 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the head end's wherever it ends up concentrating, of course < 1373590753 599366 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not inherent that shit comes out the other end, if that's what you're thinking < 1373590755 243256 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well like all the other things generally associated with 'head' < 1373590771 290594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'bit that goes forward', 'bit where food goes in', 'bit where eyes are', etc. < 1373590779 177224 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well once you have a brain having the sense organs nearer the brain is obviously advantageous < 1373590811 854373 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having your eyes behind you isn't very good, motion-wise < 1373590812 389552 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you can have things in metastable but non-optimal positions can't you < 1373590818 90283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing a thing that like, the brain would internally delay signals from closer sensory organs so that everything was synchronized? < 1373590824 379883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just like, a conscious illusory effect < 1373590836 629791 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something along the lines of "technically, tall people experience the world with very slightly more delay" < 1373590843 681606 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's a theory, yeah < 1373590844 218799 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because their feet are farther away < 1373590855 90875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah but not seeing well means dying fast. < 1373590873 10719 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, er, what does seeing 'well' mean < 1373590891 4197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about the 'bit that goes forward' question < 1373590895 249293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell? < 1373590897 202575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean aren't mammaly eyes pretty shit as eyes go < 1373590898 579107 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you had an animal with a head, and eyes on the tail < 1373590901 590444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are my icons shared between users? < 1373590922 509930 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted an ActiveWorlds shortcut off my Work user, and I don't see it on my Home user's desktop < 1373590924 386247 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty easy to sneak up and decapitate it, see < 1373590955 418738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: as for dinos, i found http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/365/did-dinosaurs-have-a-separate-brain-in-their-behinds. the answer seems to be no. unfortunately. < 1373590973 564383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any vetebrates with a split or spread out nervous system? < 1373590978 695359 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well i was thinking more basic stuff i guess < 1373590987 66069 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what do you think your spinal cord is :p < 1373590992 527078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen recent movies from Touchstone and Pixar (both of which are Disney), and I didn't see Mickey Mouse (although I wasn't really trying). Is it only their hand-drawn cartoons that have Mickey Mouse? < 1373590998 497526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, like, the brain itself,sorry >_< < 1373591000 642395 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shit is /loaded/ with CPGs lemme tell you < 1373591009 317311 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPG? < 1373591012 529228 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, what's "the brain itself". the spinal cord is part of the CNS < 1373591021 673113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :central pattern generator, sort of vaguely like a clock < 1373591032 290720 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so like phased locked loops for neurons? < 1373591042 870323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1373591060 703227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess like. a human brain seems to keep working mostly fine with a severed spinal cord though? < 1373591062 43814 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much exactly that in fact. < 1373591084 934053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the brain also works mostly fine with a hemisphere removed~ < 1373591092 758089 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that's true <.< < 1373591112 982035 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mod development) < 1373591123 281699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( Active Worlds is behaving dumbly < 1373591125 160542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like how much of her brain does buttercup not have < 1373591137 186052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems a little odd to define the spinal cord like that ? I don't know you know more than me < 1373591159 194519 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, if you mean do you need the spinal cord to be a poet or w/e then yeah you don't. < 1373591466 726759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the "spinal cord injury" article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Man_falling_of_horse.jpg "Falling as a part of recreational activities can cause spinal cord injuries." < 1373591562 515178 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373591882 192671 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: so um... there is a fairly high degree of decentralization in vertebrates even; i mean we have lots of autonomic ganglia too: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Gray839.png < 1373592256 607723 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373592429 70465 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess what I'm kind of thinking of is like um... < 1373592440 870790 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human nervous system is kind of like a tree, isn't it? like the stomach doesn't really talk to the leg < 1373592447 76444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they both talk to some central nerve < 1373592458 137233 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there cases where the nervous system is more like... a graph? < 1373592467 92917 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't cephalopods like that < 1373592482 646664 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jellyfish are like tha.t < 1373592491 946508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invertebrates generallly don't have notochords, i guess < 1373592497 529013 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about their anatomy though :( < 1373592500 823028 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, two brains would be more like a graph < 1373592504 621840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :than one < 1373592512 98320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I used graph theory to describe this I am a dork < 1373592530 922410 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well neuroscientists do it too "it's cool" < 1373592559 34479 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what the adaptive advantage of having two brains would be, though. < 1373592583 508838 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how often do you use a tree with two roots < 1373592585 115691 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reasonable enough way to describe something which is... made of nodes connected by edges < 1373592598 934570 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess on the neuron level it's not that graphy < 1373592618 858695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty graphy in some micro situations < 1373592634 769497 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.f. everything ramon y cajal ever drew < 1373592670 499175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/c0cc8be3d7d1cc3cf4512fc69ce9a8a6/tumblr_metattU8KO1rvzqmmo1_400.gif "good tree, imo" < 1373592671 303477 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, graphs aren't necessarily the best abstraction to use < 1373592678 578841 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they have axons and dendrites ans all that shit < 1373592688 83999 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :directed graph. < 1373592712 646390 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the level of individual neurons it's inaccurate sure, but that's some dorky shit annyway < 1373592746 595650 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v4/n1/images/nrn1010-f2.jpg the neuron people came from the sky to rule us < 1373592824 156726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://aegisaglow.tumblr.com/post/55219226085/neurosciencestuff-first-man-to-hear-people wow this is timely < 1373592833 709509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The only multicellular animals that have no nervous system at all are sponges, placozoans and mesozoans, which have very simple body plans. The nervous systems of ctenophores (comb jellies) and cnidarians (e.g., anemones, hydras, corals and jellyfishes) consist of a diffuse nerve net. All other types of animals, with the exception of a few types of worms, have a nervous system containing a brain, a central cord (or two cords running ... < 1373592839 712332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in parallel), and nerves radiating from the brain and central cord" < 1373592842 123063 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gues that answers the question of whether anything actually has two brains. < 1373592878 73703 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, you're under arrest for aiding and abetting crimes against colour coordination < 1373592884 854431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was a weird case. brain problems generally are some fucked shit, imo. < 1373592897 802647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :color... color coordination? @_@ < 1373592915 63410 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's saying the blog is ugly < 1373592918 56315 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not my blog :< < 1373592925 98261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's haven's blog < 1373592926 450387 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, hence 'aiding and abetting' < 1373592927 826491 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of have to agree, really < 1373592935 873998 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as we call it in scotland, 'art and part' < 1373592936 947572 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1373592946 870431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually say that < 1373592954 713579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots law is great < 1373592976 999059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the guys where you can be "guilty but not proven", yeah? < 1373592995 933016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just called 'not proven' i think? < 1373592997 576983 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1373593054 438417 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally it was just guilty/not proven but at some point a jury pointedly ruled 'not guilty' and the two acquittals just kind of coexisted < 1373593236 91778 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, xenoturbella are deuterosomes but don't have brains < 1373593261 889561 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one i remember is that the person upon whom a crime was visited is referred to as 'the complainer' < 1373593286 53901 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373593327 995228 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.accessscience.com/loadBinary.aspx?filename=YB051410FG0010.gif gonna use my authority as a bikeologist to say xenoturbella look terrible < 1373593449 112039 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1373593525 761845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373593701 482008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but look they have a groove! < 1373593759 742794 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they entirely lack groove or funk of any sort < 1373594736 396245 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1373595013 553381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:bc:2a13:4196:ead3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373595264 889225 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373595409 583574 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373595426 444738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373595532 899248 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__ < 1373595587 111931 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373595840 342098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373595993 140743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373596577 599114 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373596578 943296 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/400/035/d1871725b651f53a9094e9b9d803ef6e_large.jpg?1361420820 < 1373596744 768155 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373597024 575165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373597128 489782 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373597348 339606 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373599285 229234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Oops, I guess I forgot to click the button for bacat. < 1373599293 387956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I'll be on the waitlist too. < 1373599298 811079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could just not bother, and just show up. < 1373599714 251144 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds like a plan < 1373599738 341550 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people are more likely to cancel without telling anyone < 1373599753 288170 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a shame to go all the way into SF, though < 1373599773 288801 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not in general < 1373599838 709307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask Vlad, I guess. < 1373599863 379168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to combine a WorldsPlayer-like architecture with WebGL < 1373599895 707944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although WorldsPlayer-like might not be that descriptive < 1373600222 401572 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373600761 817480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is good.example.com safe from evil.example.com? < 1373600772 810907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should example.com make sure evil.example.com doesn't exist < 1373600783 38544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(user created Javascript and HTML pages) < 1373600832 451361 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373601004 974286 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, everyone! < 1373601020 499335 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott now knows how to count to two! < 1373601038 481612 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373601039 554444 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm pretty sure that foo.example.com and bar.example.com are totally separate and can't interact with each other. < 1373601054 489257 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got some omichronic? < 1373601135 878843 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that epside isn't out yet < 1373601140 157591 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1373601147 490578 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*episode < 1373601164 557378 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same_origin_policy < 1373601177 91684 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like foo.example.com can interfere with example.com, however. But example.com can't interfere with foo.example.com. < 1373601319 642739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i'm ready for the next episode < 1373601341 398497 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll link you < 1373601512 458859 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://watchacartoon.vv.si/ro/Watch-Futurama%20Season%207%20Episode%2016%20T%20The%20Terrestrial-_-aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXRjaGNhcnRvb25vbmxpbmUuY29tL2Z1dHVyYW1hLXNlYXNvbi03LWVwaXNvZGUtMTYtdC10aGUtdGVycmVzdHJpYWw= < 1373601778 94198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1373601880 622436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I asked Vlad and he said I could just show up. < 1373602293 911573 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know Vlad, perhaps I shall be forbidden :o < 1373602307 355329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't really ask about names or anything. < 1373602338 316354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully we get to use the big room again. The small room is, uh, too small. < 1373603582 300845 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sigh < 1373603609 910673 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373603850 661262 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://www.superksonic.com/the-project < 1373604593 46036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Logically, though, isn't the big room then, uh, too big? < 1373604622 399216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should ask for the suitably-sized room instead. < 1373604939 88018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That one is, uh, too suitably-sized. < 1373605098 517984 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373605101 742858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1373605243 823156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://nomic.zbasu.net/nomicbank/userinfo/sgeo/ < 1373605253 210914 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it doesn't do much, though; it's just a thing for tracking debts. < 1373605261 710897 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In three different currencies, even. < 1373605278 198986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why did I initially think that would be a LambdaMOO thing? < 1373605410 781738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mudlet.org/ < 1373605418 498653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how do mappers like that work? < 1373605426 572790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do they assume MUD, and not work in a MOO < 1373605736 809121 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373605773 700211 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373606254 875594 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I confused, or do iterators basically work as an explicit (but not much more verbose and less magic) version of stream fusion? < 1373606278 335891 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373606377 122985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of iterators? < 1373606422 967471 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python-style - i guess really the same thing as streams but without skip < 1373606451 154228 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i was confused - they do, but trivially so < 1373606534 713994 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only magic rewrite rule in haskell's stream fusion is that stream+unstream is the identity < 1373606621 169104 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you just be upfront about doing things with iterators, there's no need for that < 1373606692 57525 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder whether it would be advisable to have skip < 1373607943 133733 :itsy!~digital_w@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373608580 39215 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373610665 285436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1373611532 458000 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :goin to the DMV tomorrow < 1373611533 254197 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1373611545 404774 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so excited < 1373612003 446077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1373612008 315774 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1373612243 737883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373612547 870930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello friends < 1373612788 868571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1373612804 291160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HexChat's current color for joins is what I'm used to for quits and parts < 1373612839 885489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it looks like they didn't see any better solution than rebooting the server that had problems yesterday (initially with accessing the NFS mail directory, but the problem escalated quickly) < 1373612856 856919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is HexChat the official IRC client of Hexham < 1373612865 729605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume so < 1373612871 933565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it is a solution, of course. < 1373612884 831509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all < 1373612900 798859 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When two vehicles meet on a steep road where neither vehicle can pass, the vehicle facing downhill must yield the right-of-way by backing up until the vehicle going uphill can pass." < 1373612913 865507 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost a setup to a joke < 1373612935 215225 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you're reversing, that makes you a vehicle going uphill, so the process can continue recursively < 1373613001 505225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1373613017 269389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Favourite traffic rules trick question for the Finnish exam (which is mostly based on asking questions about pictures): set up a straight-forward looking scenario, but put a tram behind a bush somewhere on the left, so that a small corner is peeking out. < 1373613039 244706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As an exception to the general rule, trams here have right-of-way disregarding the approach direction.) < 1373613044 179850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm reminds me of a norwegian comedy sketch (from a show which i vaguely recall was based on a british one), although the road there was flat afair < 1373613110 660034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on "Hancock's Half Hour" says no.wikipedia < 1373613114 219349 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DMV knows physics, too < 1373613135 738419 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The force of a 60 mph crash is not just twice as great as 30 mph crash; it's four times as great!" < 1373613150 938226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the DMV know psychics? < 1373613179 756356 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on this manual, they did not anticipate you asking < 1373613411 626765 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373613627 484650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trams are good because you know they aren't going to suddenly swerve and run you over < 1373613702 594798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it even more dangerous when they do anyway hth < 1373613739 238701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRAAAAAMS < 1373613779 253153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it cost a lot of money to get a driving license in finland or no < 1373613829 144032 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine most public services costing a lot of money in finland < 1373613839 237697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it cost a lot of time at least < 1373613845 754681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so i heard" < 1373613854 67189 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland is just one big cult < 1373613923 767160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #esoteric a cult < 1373613944 518862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is the cult leader of #esoteric < 1373613958 497614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i follow zzo38 < 1373613976 227111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't call him a cult leader, really < 1373613989 726399 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :who says cults have leaders? < 1373613992 146323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an inspiration < 1373613995 440036 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the leader? pssh. < 1373614028 507276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're an ineffective cult because our leaders are so lazy < 1373614051 463361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps #esoteric is a cocult < 1373614056 908156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to be confused with the occult) < 1373614065 523289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an initial object but no terminal object < 1373614066 364202 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :TINC < 1373614097 309504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The cocult (not to be confused with the occult) channel | <3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373614112 329278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric on irc.dahl.net is presumably the occult channel? < 1373614117 959759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably. < 1373614259 486746 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never make a U-turn: [...] On a one-way street. < 1373614371 725172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice < 1373614488 398817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1373614494 607954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on which way you start. < 1373614539 764616 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you are driving in the wrong direction on a one way street, you are required to immediately pull to the side of the road, stop, panic, and turn around when safe. < 1373614719 190344 :mtve-!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373614909 573898 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instruction on backing up, there are separate bullet points for "your kids" and "other children". < 1373614997 142879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, presumably each person is responsible for backing up their own kids. < 1373615015 634917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't even have read access to other children. < 1373615054 899490 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently you are required to have executable access to directories of other children. < 1373615187 291293 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :'If another drive does not him his or her lights: [...] Do not try to "get back" at the other driver by keeping your bright lights on. If you do, both of you may be blinded.' --Gandhi < 1373615196 647807 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dim < 1373615341 978845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373615405 449887 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you a driver's license? in the great state of CA, even? < 1373615428 210513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a train license < 1373615449 178730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: no < 1373615487 726254 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confused people are also exemplified as "Tourists, often at complicated intersections" and "Drivers who are looking for a house number or who slow down for no apparent reason" < 1373615522 723303 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare this to merely distracted people, who may include: Delivery persons, Construction workers, Children (who often run into the street without looking), etc. < 1373615539 970703 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, why are children so stupid? < 1373615547 967449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tourists enter, one wrist leaves < 1373615571 327652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange folks < 1373615775 689956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go to finland again < 1373615806 582680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373615812 342178 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you drive for sight-seeing purposes to the scene of a fire, collision, or other disaster, you may be arrested." < 1373615888 923231 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Horse-drawn vehicles and riders of horses or other animals are entitled to share the road with motor vehicles. It is a traffic offense to scare horses or stampede livestock." < 1373616026 386696 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Interesting: cyclists are required to carry identification < 1373616238 182141 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :More fun information: you may not use your cellphone, even hands-free, "to engage in distracting conversations" < 1373616309 814811 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will all be tested on this. < 1373616349 170123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the medical marijuana test next < 1373616404 32256 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the condition that can be easily claimed to 'pass' such a test, due I think to lack of easy falsifiability? < 1373616404 834185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you want some marijuana? y/n" < 1373616573 700177 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, there is such a thing. Which, I understand, is actually pretty common. < 1373616658 55805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373616940 975335 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do not shoot firearms on a highway or at traffic signs." < 1373616960 58782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373616976 834933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop signs out in the desert have a lot of shotgun holes in them < 1373616990 627127 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also such a thing as "illegally tinted safety glasses" < 1373617009 808353 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, not to mention, "Vehicles taking part in a funeral procession have the right-of-way" < 1373617037 307716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it the rite-of-way? < 1373617068 470569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The driving schools are, I think, relatively expensive. < 1373617082 550353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet I think most go that way. < 1373617085 771803 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Finland? < 1373617088 765113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373617100 810300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have an accommodating parent or some such, it would technically be possible for them to acquire a permit to teach someone. < 1373617159 546512 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1373617229 787626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Goatse School of Driving -- so (colloquially) named because of their logo: http://www.haaganautokoulu.fi/wp-content/themes/thematic/img/header.jpg -- seems to charge a total of 1630 euros, of which the major part (1190 eur) is 17 * 50 minutes of driving instruction. < 1373617263 881419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But these are of course all private places.) < 1373617279 6497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice logo < 1373617371 450651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many high schools (incl. mine) have a special deal with a driving school such that there's a course you can sign up to, which includes the theory part (possibly you even got one course credit point for it), and probably you get a discount for the driving lessons. < 1373617383 414520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did that thing.) < 1373617698 959760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in norway you don't need a permit to teach someone to drive, as long as you're not paid. but there are experience requirements and stuff. < 1373617769 410247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's considered unreasonably expensive to get enough training solely from professionals. < 1373617806 370506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Apparently the union of driving schools has a strong lobbying presence here, and there's been some controversy about it. < 1373617819 595058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the topic needs higher codepoints < 1373617823 744507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :The cocult (not to be confused with the occult) channel | ♥ | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373617863 206279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. claims that they've made the private-person teaching needlessly difficult/expensive, and funded bogus "research" on how professional driving education improves safety, and so on. < 1373617912 920692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1373617931 498928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it seems that they've changed the requirements for that teaching permit in 2013 to be even more difficult, and the process of getting one now costs like 3000 eur, which doesn't make it any cheaper than just going to a regular school. < 1373617937 709860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I gather from fi.wikipedia. < 1373617964 922576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I didn't really know it was such a controversial topic; I've thought "well, that's very expensive, but I guess that's the way it is" once or twice and that's it. < 1373617999 169772 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was able to get 20 hours worth of driving school free in high school in the United States. < 1373618017 801300 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to some program or another, though; I forget the details. < 1373618023 774564 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was a private school. < 1373618043 487378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we just got the theory part for free in the program I mentioned. Then again, we don't really pay for the schools, so... < 1373618076 883558 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructor occasionally asked me to drive to shopping centers, where he left me standing in the car for up to 5 minutes to pick up food or prescriptions etc... < 1373618106 15681 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was not exactly entirely professional. < 1373618505 205766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw i made ais523's concurrency construct in haskell maybe some others would like to see it http://lpaste.net/90816 < 1373618514 529746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not tested, as usual) < 1373618578 246266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1373618615 532625 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373618620 133553 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373618620 339346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373619550 458823 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373619640 372007 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373621403 28666 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373621679 17003 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373622328 225222 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373623284 958849 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373623864 241899 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373624139 78572 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373624154 20833 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1373624154 226564 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373624161 566860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373624165 851065 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373624166 656188 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1373624268 442133 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373624294 101706 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373624297 651726 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373624297 857531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373624297 857607 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373624331 365328 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373624865 717024 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373625091 294873 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373625804 548748 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373625987 820833 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Fiora < 1373627071 450836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://low.fi/~viznut/loremipsum-google.txt < 1373627510 606534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CIA let KSM design vacuum cleaner in detention to 'keep him sane'" < 1373627668 613413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373627715 732016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1373628387 858727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this pen stuff in the backlog is reminding me of http://artisanalpencilsharpening.com < 1373628480 272014 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373628497 290670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reminding me of Pen Island. < 1373628512 330663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They are very passionate about pens too.) < 1373631878 258852 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-44-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373631894 706468 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-44-no50.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi" < 1373632867 579159 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Their website is full of gems. < 1373632902 499966 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of our customers prefer to take on two or even three types of wood for one project. < 1373632930 997514 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Can I provide my own wood? A: In most cases we can handle your wood. We do require all shipments to be clean, free of parasites and pass all standard customs inspections. < 1373633153 784491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1373633154 919148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whether all you want is a simple skinny white pen (it's our best seller!) or something wrapped in leather or little pink bows, we've done it all. Even pens dipped in chocolate!" < 1373634065 811117 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373634102 368086 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373634166 196900 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-44-no50.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373635682 648554 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.err.ee/politics/0233b688-b116-44c3-98ca-89a4057acad8 https://github.com/vvk-ehk/evalimine/blob/master/ivote-server/hes/vote_analyzer.py < 1373637360 378756 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1373638727 126434 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I saw that. Note also how their code is extremely not documented < 1373638749 212062 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :This somehow has to be an elaborate prank... < 1373638872 78977 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the estonian prime-minister is pulling a hoax < 1373639688 394751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a "House of Elliott" brand necklace for sale here at the post office. < 1373639711 553211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy it < 1373639744 836175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It costs like 32.90. < 1373639876 882906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 isn't much moneys for an elliott < 1373639883 286432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a picture of it, that's like the next best thing. < 1373639902 899833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I must shopping. < 1373641092 230104 :itsy!~digital_w@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what was that? The Post Office sells necklaces? < 1373641426 168937 :impomatic!~john_metc@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373641455 773460 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373641523 482845 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're co cult? What does that mean < 1373641842 636178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy: They have one shelf of "miscellaneous crap". < 1373641912 183915 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373641984 25546 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning, #esoteric < 1373642005 12845 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373642028 886585 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything exciting lately in the world of esolangs? < 1373642094 168139 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I haven't been online much recently < 1373642122 889697 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had to check out for a couple of weeks to focus on another project; now trying to catch up :) < 1373642216 747082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130712-house_of_elliott.jpg http://www.houseofelliott.fi/?lang=en < 1373642220 226597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, that's not at all "exciting -- in the world of esolangs".) < 1373642303 236533 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is elliott? http://www.houseofelliott.fi/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/etu_2013_11.jpg < 1373642320 545226 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.elliottsurveyors.co.uk/background.html < 1373642355 509583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think the one with the hat. < 1373642490 679878 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/tmp/elliott-is.png < 1373642539 710475 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notethe location stated in my link < 1373642571 659417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nice < 1373643062 203260 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373643207 138326 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have thoughts on http://torso.me/chicken? < 1373643225 100172 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: chicken chicken. < 1373643323 537570 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh and a reminder to anyone who doesn't know/remember: I'm a WSJ reporter working on a potential story on esoteric programming languages. Feel free to DM me, or email me at jsvine@gmail.com if you'd like to chat privately.) < 1373643390 145861 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken < 1373644221 296193 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PART :#esoteric < 1373644286 397375 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken is a run of the mill 10 instruction stack language that achieves humor and silly-ness by denoting instruction i as i chicken's followed by a newline (AFAICT) < 1373644478 398988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that oerjan's thoughts on chicken are: "lovely" < 1373644493 455236 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that the word "florin" strongly suggests the color pink to me. < 1373644495 651487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The topic was broached on channel 2013-07-02.) < 1373644550 731294 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken is like a poultrified whitespace < 1373644557 307602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how funny the language was, but the interpreter was nice. < 1373644593 578271 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some word for some shade of pink that begins with the "flor" sound? < 1373644653 628860 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fuchsia begins with "f". < 1373644714 968913 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do "fire engine red" and "fluorescent" anything. I think it's fair to say that fuchsia is the effiest color. < 1373644761 612504 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps youconnectit to floral < 1373644785 289984 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds likely, except that flowers aren't necessarily pink. < 1373644937 573423 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always associated the musical note F with pink as well. < 1373644947 853699 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then G is green. I guess the reason for that seems pretty obvious. < 1373644980 316678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fcolor of 25 images says the color of "florin" is #756156. < 1373645008 105208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most of those images were of coins, and then quite a few of Florin Court, the building that's the fictional Whitehaven Mansions where Hercule Poirot lives in the TV series.) < 1373645017 837703 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is like a dark blue. "Cobalt", I guess? D is also green. E is a lighter blue. < 1373645028 116700 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is yellow, and B, I dunno. Black? < 1373645737 894721 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1373646144 192808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Did you write that report? < 1373646274 80646 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Which report? < 1373646309 20722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: The one about esoteric programming. < 1373646339 222956 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah, no, got pulled off into another project. Now back and continuing to research. < 1373646377 246447 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp__: For my unlearned sake, could you explain "run of the mill 10 instruction stack language"? < 1373646388 27495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any questions I will try to answer them (or possibly, others can try, too). < 1373646590 271009 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. I'm mostly trying to figure out the narrative. I'd really like to get "the human factor", e.g., someone trying to write a complex program in Piet, or some esolang-programming competition, or someone trying to puzzle through the complexities of creating a new esolang... < 1373646644 962695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if I have something... < 1373646679 658473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try looking at some of Chris Pressey's stuff, possibly < 1373646704 340515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are wondering about creating a new esolang, that is < 1373646751 295614 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: not sure what this is about, but here are some languages I found nice esolangs.org/wiki/User:AnotherTest/Notable_Language < 1373646778 459885 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks. I've been in touch a bit with Chris, but I'll pressey him again for more details < 1373646840 891673 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Thanks! I like that list. < 1373646863 283760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, look at INTERCAL. < 1373646878 59995 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: see the list of instructions at http://torso.me/chicken-spec < 1373646927 69302 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp__: Ah, helpful! < 1373646930 57434 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the usual variety of stack manipulation instructions; arithmetic, load/store, input, output < 1373647076 944960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few esolangs (although not the ones in that list) are uncomputable, such as Gravity and TwoDucks, as well as some others. < 1373647131 373600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When inventing esolangs, we don't normally care about the things that you should normally care about when inventing a programming language. < 1373647149 761947 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also write each of brainf*ck's 8 instructions with 1 to 8 chickens followed by newline, and presto, you have a new language "chickenf*ck" < 1373647182 490782 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right and that's part of what I find so interesting about esolangs < 1373647253 902659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Yes, I do too. < 1373647270 746698 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373647541 731497 :jsvine1!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373647566 418734 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373647604 188836 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373647609 111725 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373647719 153306 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373647779 222638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look at the list of ideas? < 1373647858 945441 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647860 525666 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647867 162043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647867 162222 :itsy!~digital_w@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647867 162304 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647867 162452 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647867 162530 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373647880 216310 :jsvine1!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which list of ideas? < 1373648007 654381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373648115 29610 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373648150 993506 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook! is an example of a language that's just a thin syntax veneer layer over Brainfuck < 1373648208 934392 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's shocking is that such languages make it into articles like http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/top-10-most-bizarre-programming-languages/ < 1373648405 581939 :jsvine1!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I think I'll want to note that a whole bunch of the silly esolangs all belong to a single family, and that the innovation there is in humor rather than computer science. < 1373648476 203960 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373648532 561796 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373648532 830373 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373648547 439394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is it. < 1373648561 9334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However , the list of ideas is: http://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas < 1373648664 57214 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373648665 821690 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373648680 787893 :jsvine1!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, that's great. I'm hopping out to lunch in a second, but will read this when I get back. < 1373648692 529381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1373648734 245416 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373648792 851371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : all this pen stuff in the backlog is reminding me of http://artisanalpencilsharpening.com <-- is that supposed to have an innocuous splitup as well, because i cannot see it. < 1373648816 740381 :jsvine1!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373648846 486102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has "anal" in it. but I think it's rather higher-concept than that. < 1373648909 845523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1373648963 702975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of that modern mainstream junk theory that art _should_ be disturbing i assume. < 1373648999 263262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *postmodern < 1373649053 746517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1373649124 942584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :angkor. < 1373649162 513895 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373650388 944222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "artisanal" is a word < 1373650553 313615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1373650630 147403 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373650795 143211 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373651107 511181 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-22.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373651162 584926 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373651171 544038 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ever happened to the Esoteric Awards? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_Awards < 1373651202 258447 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much brainfuck equivalents? < 1373651205 584453 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I don't know < 1373651211 384115 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-56-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373651213 67324 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-22.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373651438 847916 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn artis < 1373651440 186675 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "artis". < 1373651779 472441 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373651824 491476 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-22.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373652090 52130 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373652498 118135 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373652626 74088 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373653954 184635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373654007 111419 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373654630 816278 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/94d571eb3fe44125c6475b11e752da81/tumblr_mifzfvSJkG1qiyf4wo1_1280.jpg < 1373655060 478273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373655451 250997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn artsd < 1373655452 593840 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "artsd" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1373655452 799307 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArtsD < 1373655452 799387 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: an honorary arts degree [syn: {Doctor of Arts}, {ArtsD}] < 1373655501 192564 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373655506 963963 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1373656009 770679 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373656082 232152 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Quit: requested < 1373656255 180273 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373656348 788837 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1373656918 235668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi how is the featured language selection process going < 1373657014 285297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um nonexistently < 1373657035 715302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is danish on the list < 1373657042 17704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1373657074 896226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{empty,l}list < 1373657083 349508 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373657089 283750 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373657090 621888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo danish >> bin/llist < 1373657092 766970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I assigned you to it! < 1373657093 873714 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373657096 297124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1373657105 988063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assign you to fix 183. < 1373657278 606137 :itsy!~digital_w@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373657352 811471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1373658438 815917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:46 -!- #rust You must have a registered nick (+r) to talk on this channel (#rust) < 1373658444 976709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :'( < 1373658500 901325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to register on random irc things now < 1373658510 52814 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cabal < 1373658515 382549 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"art is anal pencil sharpenings" hth < 1373658532 485100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was jsut temporary. < 1373658540 641323 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, have you noticed, there are very few men's belts at most stores with size <32 < 1373658556 216364 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the fact that I think most men have waist size <32 < 1373658578 652651 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems the prior of 'needing a belt' shifts the distribution substantially < 1373658615 951106 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main belt (getting a bit old now) actually had an extra hole put into it for me < 1373658636 723029 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I recently bought another main belt, so to speak. < 1373658639 155035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :main is not usually a belt < 1373658672 591720 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would say that tall and skinny people need belts more but I am perhaps biased < 1373658686 773021 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Fiora < 1373658695 329176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have put holes in belts on several occasions < 1373658698 817957 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what else is main? a function? pssh < 1373658700 986805 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PART :#esoteric < 1373658716 105473 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be ridiculous < 1373658723 456451 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373658775 432610 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :belt :: IO () < 1373658873 948914 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to get ice cream and also beer < 1373658926 139024 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next think you'll be telling me there's a belt called _start < 1373658931 332423 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing, even! < 1373659104 112841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: my guess is that maybe there's few small ones because the small ones sell first < 1373659129 66368 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, good thinking < 1373659134 740079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like with jeans, like, last time I remember shopping for them there were so many more of the larger sizes, like 7-9+ < 1373659142 829266 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the smaller sizes had much smaller stacks < 1373659230 433885 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373659266 518174 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373660003 7227 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there would be smaller stacks, probably < 1373660013 233132 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the belt selections I saw had labelled stacks! < 1373660026 502550 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywho, to catch bus thing < 1373660155 127293 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373661030 915585 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1373662690 328670 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373663194 564018 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373663262 32298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would HIGHLY recommend the humble weekly sale this time. It includes Avernum, one of my favorite game series of all time, also one of the first series I ever played. < 1373663274 386128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The windows only installments work fine under wine for me. < 1373664495 288772 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373667937 196905 :itsy!~digital_w@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1373667970 474321 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373668647 408608 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373668651 172884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, been ages since I seen a game with a color depth option. It also says that 32 bits is "for newer PCs". < 1373668675 415266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what, this game was released in 2009? Heh < 1373668878 786728 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep has a 16-bit/32-bit color depth option, and that's pretty recent, I think < 1373668882 589612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarrely enough... it's on the PSP. < 1373668931 629403 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373669028 354858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, well the game I'm looking at is a Spiderweb Software RPG. They don't follow conventions when it comes to this stuff. Avernum 4 (released in 2006 on PC) has a old style blue background installer for example. < 1373669066 333240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, anyway I'm surprised a console/handheld game has graphics options at all < 1373669089 196493 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a very bizarre exception < 1373669096 713303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What need is there? They can know exactly how it will behave, unlike a PC where there are thousands of configurations. < 1373669107 343594 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has a CPU speed option, too < 1373669109 886825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not hundred of thousands < 1373669113 887460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can pick between the stock 200mhz and the battery-eating 333mhz < 1373669120 375562 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1373669151 229096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone runs faster than that unless it is at the lowest frequency < 1373669161 260970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PSP's like, 10 years old now though XD < 1373669189 405902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I thought it was more like 5-6 < 1373669209 39762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... let me see < 1373669220 836711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was released in japan december 2004 < 1373669224 952351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um... 8.5 years? < 1373669241 992529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have a quad core S3. IIRC it have steps of 100 from 200 MHz to 1.4 GHz with a few odd steps of 150 near the top or some such < 1373669245 776767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1373669282 857522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is steps of 100 < 1373669350 902956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also an overclocking step of 1704 MHz listed in the ROM setting thingy. (I'm using PACman which is a mix of CM, Paranoid and AKOP, though I believe this section is from AKOP) < 1373669831 270943 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373670076 647409 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373670112 912158 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373672108 931676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373673035 484619 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~devdatta/papers/alice-in-warningland.pdf < 1373673140 599528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, what of it < 1373673338 333110 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought it might interest you. it's empirical data on how many people click through security warnings. < 1373673452 806622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "all of them" < 1373673485 948873 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, more like a third or a quarter. < 1373673497 375783 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75-172-20-209.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373673507 336559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are like the really big THIS IS EVIL MALWARE warnings, right? < 1373673538 344986 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373673551 33342 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically mostly browsers' "yo you're getting phished dumbass" warnings < 1373673559 185113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WARNING IS EVIL. CLICK THROUGH IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE < 1373674344 949805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373674550 964957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373674573 817985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSP can be connected to a TV screen < 1373675448 137732 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper proving szemeredi's theorem is six pages long. i don't fucking believe this. < 1373675548 478814 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, this is just the fuckin proceeding < 1373675607 821115 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1373675612 683248 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1373675631 532605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: When are you going to `olist? < 1373675638 783045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't leave us at a cliffhanger like this! < 1373675739 24783 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real paper, well, that has a flowchart explaining it T_T < 1373676264 377364 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't figured out what slist and olist are < 1373676264 686342 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck update, order of the stick update < 1373676264 921769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist is Order of the Stick updates. < 1373676265 485220 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. whatevs. < 1373676265 782992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a regularly scheduled comic, hippies < 1373676266 334909 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hananomono.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/photo-2.jpg those were dark days, before tex < 1373676266 602076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (411) < 1373676266 808189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (411): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373676266 808380 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't like what I am not interested in"? something along those lines < 1373676267 870518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1373676340 229462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i can't tell whether they wrote "formulas" or "formulae" or "formulæ" with a pen < 1373676340 474034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta know these things :'( < 1373676676 4946 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shachaf < 1373676677 78035 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont < 1373676686 598270 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373676721 787554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy you just don't understand me < 1373677505 830586 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373677527 78587 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's turing's phd, you could probably figure out what soon enough. < 1373679337 292464 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still haven't figured out what slist and olist are < 1373679349 728018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very stupid and very Sgeo story < 1373679362 612535 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist is a homestuck update ping < 1373679402 789882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought the story would be more shachaf. < 1373679428 488979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thanks Bike < 1373679468 302573 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you're, like, the premier mover and shaker in the thriving list industry < 1373679560 707398 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i am underinformed on the shachaf element < 1373679603 689277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is one minute shachaf was fighting a bitter war to get his name off the list and the next he was spearheading the implementation of the new, slick, automated multilist system < 1373679609 939846 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1373679611 550478 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1373679630 483012 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love fgrep < 1373680816 223457 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373681112 559395 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373681269 498103 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373682227 74873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373682504 1354 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373683294 197670 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373683839 49258 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373686091 735322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your ideas relating to philosophy of mathematics? < 1373686121 307331 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"them's some crazy shit, alright" < 1373686160 686041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own belief is that mathematics is the real reality, not universe and physical object and stuff like that. < 1373686177 685079 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does being a real reality entail < 1373686180 941404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own belief is that my own belief is the real reality. < 1373686195 217249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm starting to think my own belief is biased. < 1373686196 19275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own belief is that zzo38's belief is the real reality < 1373686288 126630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, now you need "metareality" in order to describe that, and then you have to describe that by "metaphilosophy" (which is still philosophy), and then... well, you cannot do that! That is what "God" is! < 1373686310 680349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i god < 1373686317 450114 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck, that clears everything up < 1373686334 301168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If metaphilosophy is still philosophy, don't you get a paradox? < 1373686416 677836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy-in-philosophy < 1373686418 19588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, can i have some zzo38 wisdom < 1373686473 763996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. < 1373686519 820019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophy seems to be full of paradoxes anyways; that is why you make up things in order to try to resolve the paradox. < 1373686539 434433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :metamasturbation < 1373686547 455328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. That's pretty good zzo38 wisdom. < 1373686556 224535 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird time to coincidentally be talking about philosophy elsewhere < 1373686601 105602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What elsewhere do you talk about philosophy? < 1373686640 865004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Maybe you should quote zzo38. < 1373686641 136399 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different irc channel. < 1373686675 498115 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not metaphysics, though. < 1373686678 176479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, 2 old < 1373686725 668308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should get a 7-character nick. < 1373686767 378829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have a 7-character nick in my account (although it isn't currently active). < 1373686793 714316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1373686843 335411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is "zzo38___" (I also have "zzo38__" and "zzo38_") < 1373686869 367605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of those isn't a character? < 1373686875 264257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the first _? < 1373686916 475592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :def __zzo38__(self): pass < 1373686957 70455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, the one that isn't a character is the quotation marks and everything outside of them. < 1373686976 767251 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "zzo38___" < 1373686977 838153 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1373687019 139694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zzo38__" is 7-characters though! < 1373687025 880486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all four! < 1373687029 464601 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1373687036 198273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo wins this round, shachaf. < 1373687070 31821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How many rounds are there? < 1373687081 907361 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1373687104 891141 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was round 4. zzo is ahead by one, as one round was a draw. < 1373687614 691874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Tegmark has made up "Mathematical Universe Hypothesis" and "Computable Universe Hypothesis". I think that the CUH is no good. < 1373687658 367507 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good? < 1373687795 18316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is no good. It doesn't have to computable. < 1373687855 344220 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes you say that? < 1373687885 868205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have to have a single solution, or even any solution at all, or it might have multiple solutions. < 1373687920 828377 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373688052 163893 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373690305 585752 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373690776 680309 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373691317 875724 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obvious to me that the MUH and modal realism are not effectively the same thing. < 1373691373 320036 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a belief similar to modal realism, and I think mine is more factual and less nebulous: < 1373691402 503284 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is no particular reason to believe that any possible world is any more or less real than any other." < 1373691427 936314 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not quite true. I think a simpler world could be considered "more real" than a more complicated one on the grounds that it has a higher probability. < 1373691522 512321 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it now < 1373691578 732168 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes < 1373691716 326191 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1373691979 838442 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How what? < 1373692015 331320 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is simpler more probable < 1373692027 789105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam's razor, I guess. < 1373692062 512396 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, the idea that even if you don't know anything about A, B, and C, you have to give "A and B and C" a lower probability estimate than "A". < 1373692144 689030 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1373692289 364145 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you gave them both the same probability estimate, then, to be consistent, you'd have to give "B and C" a probability estimate of 1, or "A" a probability estimate of 0. < 1373692303 120505 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of which are undesirable, since you don't know what A, B, and C are. < 1373692326 166194 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what's this have to do with universes? < 1373692336 462791 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably picking a universe entails picking B or ¬B anyway. < 1373693857 540249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can pick both, somehow. < 1373694097 651304 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373694790 798643 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, good point. < 1373694817 210651 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine, though, that if A is true, then B and C are both meaningful, whereas if A is false, then B and C are meaningless, whereas D is meaningful. < 1373694867 768352 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1373694875 683552 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we assume that A, B, C, and D are all just as likely to be true as false, then "~A and D" and "~A and ~D" are more likely than "A and B and C" and "A and ~B and ~C" and so on. < 1373694922 759686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge assumption. especially given that by hypothesis they're not independent. < 1373694961 16863 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, what do probabilities even mean here? God rolling dice to see what universes exist? < 1373694977 349404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you read _Mathematics Made Difficult_? < 1373694987 879343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you would be good at several of the exercises. < 1373695001 905229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did not read. < 1373695027 784944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should read it! It's great. < 1373695057 700887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a bibliography, which Taneb would surely appreciate. < 1373695182 752098 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373695270 549368 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373695343 611577 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373696159 2611 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373696869 436373 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373697420 990108 :Wntrvnm!znc@xenomorph.exovenom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373697435 43394 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373697482 246094 :Wntrvnm!znc@xenomorph.exovenom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, since Nisstyre is in here, I'm gonna take that as a, "Yes." :P < 1373697495 256297 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, works for me < 1373697499 89431 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make a new esolang < 1373697513 673053 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too lazy to work it out though < 1373697725 814803 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1373697732 388422 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14Welcome 05to the internation07al hub for esoteric 12pro11gramming la09nguage design and12 depl12oym14e04nt04! Fo07r 02m11ore in07for10mation, c11heck out06 o11ur wiki: http://esolangs.org12/wiki/Main_Page. (F13or13 the o13ther04 kind of11 eso05te10rica02, tr02y #06esoteric on irc.dal.net.)11 < 1373697786 136906 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds eccentric. I love it! < 1373697894 889303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373698268 544644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373698388 660996 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is LoL or DotA 2 easier for newbies? < 1373698520 545840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly LoL; how is DotA 2 even a laugh < 1373699324 462938 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373699762 410707 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373700175 866005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb "art is anal pencil sharpenings" hth <-- tdnh, that was the obvious one. < 1373700176 109941 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373700220 302608 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if either is a good use of your time, though < 1373700228 607745 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoL is an anti-use of time maybe < 1373701414 228738 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373703386 837448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373703469 936910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1373704386 262563 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373705369 466220 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373705388 345204 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373706119 299729 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373708014 281337 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373708917 937830 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373708979 281781 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373708979 548489 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373710367 546271 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373710972 337469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373713667 589570 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__ < 1373715877 842679 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373716827 553681 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373716834 568222 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1373717715 916011 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373721917 920955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be off the list Phantom_Hoover? i only want pings for pbf. < 1373724419 183358 :Wntrvnm!znc@xenomorph.exovenom.net PART #esoteric :"-" < 1373728199 46626 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373728312 933442 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373729977 965203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373730480 190398 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373731358 110944 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373731385 717747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373733538 617643 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373733914 466088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373733976 936516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1373734529 636398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373734692 357864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1373734785 981834 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan < 1373735554 973118 :darkf!~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373735559 452065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1373735644 476431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373735725 612285 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373735745 884676 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Client Quit < 1373735993 520955 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373736223 422241 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, "good use of time"? < 1373736254 671424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both games, unless one or the other or both aren't actually fun, I don't see how they can be bad uses of time < 1373736275 576763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek daystar < 1373736318 424325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sics a puritan on Sgeo_  < 1373736388 709728 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373736510 225530 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373736790 98324 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373738327 47591 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373738799 578908 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you might increase your skill in the game, necessitating your decrease in other things < 1373738825 236431 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like your sense of empathy, or intolerance for toxicity in communities < 1373738827 648048 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know! < 1373739340 494904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sics a non-zero sum game theoretician on Gracenotes  < 1373739399 602349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote video game theory < 1373739405 549049 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :424) Game theory is not a perfect tool for analyzing video games. Nash failed to create a "video game theory" < 1373739746 785291 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to drop the ball, nash. < 1373740641 929332 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it might not be zero-sum, but the sum might not have massive margins either! < 1373740799 332434 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as massive as those other sums. omai. < 1373741024 871791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sum is provably at most A(G_64, G_64), although honestly we suspect it's less than 15 hth < 1373741096 860174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there should be some sort of competition to pose the question whose answer has the largest known bounds < 1373741100 877931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, difference between bounds < 1373741258 311138 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373741268 762912 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373741777 730055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of disappointed that the Planetside 2 launcher links to a Wikia < 1373741849 369901 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373741855 24439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, are both communities really that bad? < 1373741857 775099 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can i be off the list Phantom_Hoover? i only want pings for pbf. < 1373741859 383135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373741885 737481 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean < 1373741888 719117 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list ? < 1373741894 739161 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1373741910 624608 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your own fault for running `list in the first place < 1373742714 991535 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373743593 760698 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my point is you need to get it out of your head that you can make code (especially web apps) pefectly secure against code injection attacks" < 1373743695 648262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while that's kind of dumb, I do think focusing on making things "perfectly secure" is rarely worthwhile < 1373743867 766226 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :securer < 1373743879 65235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type systems make your code "perfectly secure" against memory corruption.... except for bugs in the typechecker, codegen, runtime system, explicitly unsafe code, unsafe libraries, kernel, processor, &c. < 1373743893 614811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having all that stuff in your trusted base is still a huge improvement against having all that stuff *plus* your application in the trusted base < 1373743906 603492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because core system stuff gets reused a lot < 1373743936 350605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo segfaults a lot, at present < 1373743937 693098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1373743981 34769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of compiler bugs? < 1373743983 175933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or unsafe code? < 1373744258 468955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the latter < 1373744290 84239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're interfacing to a bunch of C libraries, e.g. SpiderMonkey for JS < 1373744292 761126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo who builds a language for a single application and makes it insufficient to express that application without going beyond the language < 1373744303 822598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373744357 793237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could write a JS JIT in Rust, it would just be a huge project < 1373744377 700957 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bless me, father, for I have sinned. < 1373744378 547157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as we discussed earlier, the memory safety benefits are perhaps not that great < 1373744381 495845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1373744385 287443 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi kmc. < 1373744395 129981 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Gregor > 1373744395 716097 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373744396 333773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blessed < 1373744403 487002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373744407 502635 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've installed the Kindle app on a Nook. < 1373744409 578635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ways to make programs secure if you don't overcomplicate it; I have done so (I think; if you find any bugs please notify me). < 1373744418 970084 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain that there's a special place in hell for people who do that. < 1373744583 276067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I didn't know it is compatible. But, I suppose if it is, then of course it is possible to do such thing. < 1373744597 352121 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, it works great. < 1373744800 798536 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the torrent I'm downloading has peers, oh it does < 1373744830 817748 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's... one peer < 1373744873 464581 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: iz okay. LoL is well-known for being not great, which is partly a consequence of some of the properties of the game itself < 1373744875 683163 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unpopular games shouldn't be distributed through BitTorrent < 1373744892 974254 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, LoL or LoL's community is well-known for being not great? < 1373744894 583868 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :F2P being the main one, long-running sessions being another < 1373744912 979582 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are DotA 2 sessions longer or shorter than LoL sessions? < 1373744944 310896 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a reasonably deep game by itself, but my understanding is that a match's outcome may have been decided, essentially, even 20-30 minutes before the win condition is reached. < 1373744961 304546 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because it's a team game, there's no prudent resignation like in Go or Starcraft. < 1373745001 470532 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say much about DotA 2, but also my understanding is that it has some more desirable properties in the metagame. < 1373745086 433537 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still *a* community, and one with good corners and bad corners. < 1373745092 670669 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the case of LoL) < 1373745118 338769 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, yeah, it's probably not a good thing when pro players think nothing of DDOSing opponents. < 1373745154 564930 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, as this was a few years ago, get subsequently as hellbanned as you can get, hopefully deterring that from happening nowadays... hopefully) < 1373745179 762514 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shortage of drama, which is a good (?) thing < 1373745232 823842 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do so many games seem so horrible with SLI? < 1373745360 437259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: remove me from your mailing list immediately. i know my rights! < 1373745384 496677 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not sgeo's. it's the people's list < 1373745415 989984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who brought sgeo into this? < 1373745862 554868 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forum.notebookreview.com/ideapad-essential/718852-y500-sli-valve-source-game-engine-stuttering-fix.html < 1373745901 108729 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SLI? < 1373745923 515863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using two or more nVidia graphics cards together to... I don't know how it works < 1373745934 740466 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crossfire is the ATI equiv < 1373746020 726590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to stand for "Scan-Line Interleave" meaning one card does even-numbered lines and one does odd-numbered lines :) < 1373746023 978852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how it works anymore < 1373746445 989881 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Talking to someone I know who works in Nvidia, the problem with SLI on Source games lies not on the Nvidia driver but the Source engine. Valve has to fix it." < 1373746448 939177 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1373746472 19364 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have non-Source games with the same issue, doubt they're just going to get fixed when Valve fixes Source < 1373746566 946736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a hardcore PC gamer Sgeo_ < 1373746677 714978 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to be < 1373746694 995411 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373747011 115339 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote are you a hardcore PC gamer Sgeo_ Want to be < 1373747015 134140 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1072) are you a hardcore PC gamer Sgeo_ Want to be < 1373748109 852392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the most unusual donaim specific programming languages? < 1373748240 339855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :define unusual < 1373748275 647488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/donaim/domain/ < 1373748283 688983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't really know. < 1373748305 291480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you familiar with the game "cyvasse" < 1373748326 167911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. < 1373748333 716179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if some of the things at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages might count. < 1373748401 912385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of bancstar < 1373748480 908273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "cyvasse" is a board game, but not anything else. < 1373748739 448433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of various domain specific programming languages, but I don't know what would be the most unusual ones. < 1373748867 474969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1373749049 563440 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373749054 587412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gameofcyvasse.com/ < 1373749066 207628 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373749347 799904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things about DSL are found at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DomainSpecificLanguage and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LittleLanguage < 1373749616 543788 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I realized what Daft Punk's Get Lucky reminds me of. The musical Grease. At least until the voice modulating bits. < 1373749675 388067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such things are mentioned such as dc, AWK, SQL, TeX. I happen to think these are all pretty good for what they are doing. < 1373749678 231755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't see how it could remind you of any part of grease < 1373749683 328474 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373749804 77609 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less brass, but similar guitar riffs, chord sequences, lyrical content. < 1373749815 219988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may then even consider PostScript, vi, regular expressions, C preprocessor, sendmail, nroff, and possibly even MML and FurryScript. Maybe EXPLOR counts too, and maybe a few other things in esolang wiki (please specify, if you know?). < 1373749840 380640 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the hook "We've come too far", very much like the title song < 1373749848 10640 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373749926 121334 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly of the music geneology to invoke, but both are vaguely disco-ish. < 1373749938 188808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps make a list of DSL and of how unusual they are, as well as other thing such as the computation class, etc < 1373750857 889166 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first paragraph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart < 1373751595 669445 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SLI will shut off when you use windowed mode, even borderless windowed mode will shutoff SLI." < 1373751597 810096 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1373751823 528907 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, it works in windowed mode. You may or may not lose performance depending on the game. < 1373751823 796688 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373751827 50190 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm confused < 1373752034 675703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming languages have list variables but no scalar variables? < 1373752064 83392 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP or Fortran, maybe? < 1373752110 822558 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1373752133 144069 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mission accomplished < 1373752147 772413 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i've been missioned < 1373752310 829770 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has a partial example: It has strings, which act like lists of characters, but no characters: A character is just a string with 1 character. < 1373752406 441487 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Portal 2 user-made map has non-euclidean geometry (besides Portals I mean) < 1373752430 637041 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not really used to confuse the player, just ... to aid in something < 1373752436 1148 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a partial example: it has integers, which act like sequences of bits, but no bits: a bit is just an integer with one bit < 1373752490 483071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in a room, with beach outside, walk outside of it and the beach was just painted on posters outside the room. But inside, the beach looks and has parallex like real 3d < 1373752510 524399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has bitfields, doesn't it? < 1373752545 180306 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being silly < 1373753343 421854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I mean variables, not types of values, though. < 1373753415 660639 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373753421 556086 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that C mandates any particular representation of bitfields though. < 1373753456 849344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it specifying a certain number of bits only dictates the set of valid values the variable in the struct may take on. < 1373753458 796620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the latest versions of GHC support making classes of classes of classes, including class families? < 1373753462 280903 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at pikhq_  < 1373753488 225593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, any decent compiler would just do the obvious thing. < 1373755149 413689 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-171-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373755574 469268 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373755684 159235 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373756087 559455 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1373756327 637979 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373756492 526441 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373757753 834748 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373758296 567533 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373758408 316592 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373758992 628339 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373759320 872789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have overlapping words in a "Fwords table" such as "hello" and "lost" and then I want to pack "whellolosticks" for example, let's say I have a cost for each entry in the table too, what is an algorithm to replace sequences of characters with the references so that it lower the encoded space? (The cost of a reference is fixed and is always 2.) < 1373761286 260772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python < 1373761311 562448 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1373761313 169828 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bi \ bin \ canary \ delvs \ delvs-master \ etc \ factor \ hi-bool.bf \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ master.tar.gz \ multiply.bf \ no \ paste \ pref \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom < 1373761317 258098 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct 13 2010, 20:26:16) \ [GCC 4.4.4] on linux2 \ Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. \ >>> < 1373761380 558921 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "print 'hello'[0][0][0][0][0][0]" | python - < 1373761382 292648 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1373761553 686637 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing hash values affects the order in which keys are retrieved from a dict. Although Python has never made guarantees about this ordering (and it typically varies between 32-bit and 64-bit builds), enough real-world code implicitly relies on this non-guaranteed behavior that the randomization is disabled by default. < 1373761559 619206 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1373761572 272682 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373761687 584341 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373761760 932765 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373763072 65603 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing real-world code to implicitly depend on a pseudorandom ordering is definitely an impressive skill < 1373763103 513774 :fert_!~1334d@187.1.15.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373763134 454163 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373764983 502515 :fert_!~1334d@187.1.15.58 QUIT : < 1373766604 926405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373767225 91315 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1373767847 481812 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1373767964 394092 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373768974 174977 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373770609 883008 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373770674 522880 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373772518 538484 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-89-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373773395 260106 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373773412 357247 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373774454 587051 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373775425 237820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, fizzie: what do you think of mölkky < 1373777716 69977 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1373777723 842957 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I easily defeated the computer in Worms: Armageddon < 1373777729 172361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be better at it than I remember < 1373778109 197130 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm indeed < 1373779070 22917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have watched a TV show where they made up some new three player chess variant, where some cells are square and some are a triangular tesselation, where coordinates are in thirds, and there are new kind of pieces (the serpent, old woman, king's cousin, golf cart, transporter pad, time machine, and I don't know what else); however, I don't know much about it. Do you know if there are actual rules? < 1373779138 200327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Stonerware-Pot-Leaf-Chess-Set/dp/B002UL69DE < 1373779140 918593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw this in a shop today < 1373779162 172933 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is absurd < 1373779168 638632 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of shop are we talking here < 1373779174 337582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-89-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, who's move is it again? The centuries old game of Kings and Queens enters the "stoner" age. Try to wrap your head around this classic game of strategy where you and your opponent do battle with only one goal in mind, to capture each others king. Keep in mind, it will take all of the braincells you have left to smoke your opponent under the table! < 1373779497 494639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373779502 945614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your makefile < 1373779516 420401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good thanks < 1373779546 858635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: just an ordinary shop........in san francisco < 1373781961 205803 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess can easily go on for a very long while if you have no clue what you're doing < 1373782006 296708 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses < 1373782012 727670 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect < 1373782024 329478 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a game that if you don;t know what you're doing, it goes by quickly? < 1373782028 700221 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess timed levels < 1373782044 958706 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so what's a midpoint between "At your own pace" and "The clock is running"? < 1373782055 92311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two extremes, I want the golden mean < 1373782062 941542 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-89-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a song lyric (the worst song ever) < 1373782079 592221 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not, the worst song in the world, no < 1373782183 167903 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373783956 689643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are three possibilities what some recording device will do if recording a TV signal including copy protection signals in it: [A] Ignore the copy protection and record it anyways. [B] Cancel the recording and display an error message. [C] Pause the recording (and turn on/off some indicator light), and resume once the copy protection is no longer present. < 1373783981 197081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen DVD recorders do [B], although I think more useful and what I think it ought to do, is to offer the user a choice between [A] and [C]. < 1373784201 785878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another option which might sometimes be useful is that if [C] is selected, set the minimum time before a new index mark is recorded, and allow this number to be infinite if you don't want it to record an index mark.) < 1373784589 583754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373784807 766453 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: tic-tac-toe < 1373784824 848510 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes by pretty quickly usually < 1373784838 956207 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-89-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373785003 178375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: That is because there aren't many moves. < 1373785290 751034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses < 1373785296 108401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1373785300 704029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : even if you remember the threefold repeat rule, you could be there til the sun collapses <-- um there's also a 50-moves without capture or pawn movement rule hth < 1373785419 979928 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that's an option < 1373785433 410185 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a requirement, and not in all rulesets < 1373785938 170384 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threefold repetition is also an "option" in the sense that a player has to claim it explicitly < 1373785945 191714 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT : < 1373786103 647328 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373786113 609691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those rules just allow the active player to claim a draw, I think. It doesn't require anyone to do anything. < 1373786127 179257 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the sense I meant :D < 1373786171 119559 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you can select whatever rules you want but the FIDE rules do have the strict 50-move rule < 1373786176 206582 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as the three-move) < 1373786264 628704 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for a game. You go around the board like Monopoly, except it's 100,000,000 squares. Players start on opposite corners, flip coins to either move or not move. First player to catch the other wins. < 1373786275 607745 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you move one square in one turn) < 1373786287 55254 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say, clockwise. < 1373786296 502995 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373786640 616608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the sun collapses thing would apply to that game < 1373786747 142334 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, 10 squares < 1373786752 807963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, what is the expected time for a bounded random walk < 1373786763 866965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially what that is, anyway < 1373786792 544815 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :random walks in one and two dimensions end up where they started in expectation. < 1373786804 381596 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :variance grows over time, though, I believe. < 1373786823 337974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the question is whether it's exponentially slow or not < 1373786897 537766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 100000000^2 s -> year < 1373786909 824340 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1688764640840182682e+8 < 1373786952 746347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with one move per second and if it's just _square time, you can do it before the sun collapses. barely :P < 1373786963 264340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_square_ < 1373787009 640808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't use much more than 10 seconds per move hth < 1373787156 468627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed it is, with a sqrt(2/pi) factor. < 1373787276 914530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{E(|S_n|)}{\sqrt n}= \sqrt{\frac 2{\pi}}. < 1373789390 272974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373789611 502459 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Quit: Viivan loppu. < 1373789999 403582 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373790836 237903 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373791993 326013 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373792016 61493 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not much. I know it but haven’t played it. < 1373792040 218330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I played it! It was fun. < 1373792439 598592 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373797391 862065 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1373797488 132810 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373797622 886559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373799502 483451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373801124 99262 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373801274 247984 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373801419 233702 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373801635 289271 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373802583 650389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373802672 456916 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373804806 375740 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373808646 84654 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373808682 548924 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373809631 441855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373810865 183923 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373810867 16635 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dO YOU SUDDENLY REALISE You have caps lock turned on? < 1373813283 490017 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373814283 726641 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373814292 56609 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373814397 782060 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373814590 823094 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373814692 694316 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373814854 79520 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373814922 488043 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373815149 601930 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373815535 264199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373815712 450040 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373816360 303705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373816620 319532 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-90-218.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373816878 339189 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373817333 923056 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373817540 418896 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373817690 462683 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-90-218.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373818262 682409 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1373820071 190301 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 900 < 1373820073 65873 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 900: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1373820134 516153 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373820364 761292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, just noticed < 1373820369 158403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1373820374 984141 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hi Sgeo < 1373820516 820162 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373820988 481105 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373821590 105129 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no I am starting a work tomorrow < 1373821592 14557 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do < 1373821609 737283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get high as hell < 1373821614 63327 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :when < 1373821904 717418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-218.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the job < 1373822284 299585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arriving few hours late on the first day shows them you're not afraid of them. (Disclaimer: bad advice.) < 1373822583 609102 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373822787 930831 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373822926 342318 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to show that I am afraid of them? < 1373822984 603963 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373823020 849765 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373824184 122658 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373824371 241372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yes, they need to establish dominance. < 1373824586 357485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373825234 229907 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1373825869 462299 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373825928 681315 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should wear a dog collar on my first day < 1373825943 4587 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not go anywhere unless I am led on my leash < 1373825953 563674 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like the start of a healthy business relationship < 1373825974 245880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure that would be the message that would get across < 1373826043 381919 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is more confusing than I thought < 1373826264 919132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing to do is to just go, unless for some reason you are unable. < 1373826765 484383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Thanks! < 1373826766 560322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373826875 535068 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yw! Especially for that thing that I didn't actually do! < 1373827004 717644 :Decent_One!~askme@119.157.233.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373827046 854168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome Decent_One < 1373827049 804621 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​9Decent_One: 2Welcome 13to 6the 4international 7hub 8for 9esoteric 2programming 13language 6design 4and 7deployment! 8For 9more 2information, 13check 6out 4our 7wiki: 8http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 9(For 2the 13other 6kind 4of 7esoterica, 8try 9#esoteric 2on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1373827204 525272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : dO YOU SUDDENLY REALISE You have caps lock turned on? <-- my old laptop had a bug that caused it to behave as if it did (or sometimes as if the control key was permanently pressed), and it could only be undone in certain windows (fortunately the putty window was one) < 1373827315 56340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Fine, no thanks for telling me about `olist. < 1373827663 378110 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :pregnancyTest :: IO (Maybe Bool) < 1373827698 397212 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373827957 140654 :Decent_One!~askme@119.157.233.79 QUIT : < 1373828258 324627 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373828389 373756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I know someone who wears a dog collar to their job at Google... < 1373828401 831726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Someone's sent an "I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn" email -- with proper linkedin.com links, it seems -- into the email address of one of our courses (named after the course code). < 1373828413 153171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose it could be just an unthinking "to all contacts" thing. < 1373828415 870205 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems reasonable < 1373828433 216452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-218.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373828437 580162 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: spikes, by any chance? < 1373828449 146315 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, should I get a LinkedIn? < 1373828465 346481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah LinkedIn has some misfeature where it will scrape your address book and email everyone you know < 1373828487 196856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: it's a minor irritation most of the time but I guess it can help you get a job < 1373828494 541363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: don't remember if spikes or not < 1373828528 787830 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-40.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373828552 1548 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people I know who wear collars occasionally seem to prefer the spikey variety. < 1373828597 177437 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in public, that is < 1373828604 794412 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I get a job? < 1373828617 737327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have one < 1373828628 155009 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1373828712 140956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is a strange bug < 1373828748 323788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a Caps Lock key normally but it exists briefly while switching keyboard layouts, so if I press Caps Lock during that interval it's stuck on < 1373828876 993535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a situation like that. < 1373828900 541827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 shachaf shachaf 16 Feb 23 2012 bin/DISABLE-CAPSLOCK -> disable-capslock < 1373828922 550996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1373828947 592736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does that script run < 1373828952 149552 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or did the CIA seem to get its hand on this pdf? http://courses.engr.illinois.edu/cs421/sp2012/project/turner-implementation.pdf < 1373828990 244322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A bit of Python I got from who-knows-where. < 1373828999 666776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie thon < 1373829006 954488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env python␤from ctypes import *␤X11 = cdll.LoadLibrary("libX11.so.6")␤display = X11.XOpenDisplay(None)␤X11.XkbLockModifiers(display, c_uint(0x0100), c_uint(2), c_uint(0))␤X11.XCloseDisplay(display) < 1373829012 465509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: first page looks cut off to me < 1373829015 145917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373829025 98148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect there's a cryptically named standard X binary to do that < 1373829030 509835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1373829032 756057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I approve of ctypes < 1373829152 638403 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373829208 66621 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, this is how chrome renders it. http://i.imgur.com/N2yKfAP.png < 1373829272 977540 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lol < 1373829274 853745 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1373829276 193734 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Lol < 1373829327 392181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DGXA ah, academic spam; what's not to love. < 1373829332 30216 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that bit is meant to be blacked out < 1373829338 245591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can still copy-paste the text from underneath < 1373829375 802125 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :in evince, it just renders as a black box, but the text is visible if you select it < 1373829432 659758 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say why it's meant to be blacked out < 1373829440 493320 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see why < 1373829447 503613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selecting it doesn't make it visible in evince for me < 1373829462 429914 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a fault of the OCR program < 1373829528 587328 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: http://i.imgur.com/tm6vWCw.png < 1373829630 579671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My highlight isn't red with white text =P < 1373829669 473714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does look like OCR. < 1373830701 884862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373830771 43669 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody tell me what would be idiomatic Finnish for "Why the hell am I doing this?" < 1373830913 935028 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to attempt to fix join/part coloring < 1373830917 962822 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373830965 303135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373830981 540037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah < 1373831025 821718 :Sgeow!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373831043 954120 :Sgeow!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PART :#esoteric < 1373831049 318693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick < 1373831058 205203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373831085 258492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: perkele hth < 1373831095 58580 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1373831174 206753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373831198 763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373831230 482553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373831353 288722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373831359 990160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: protip, all swearing complaints translate to finnish as "perkele" hth < 1373831380 437968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373831423 867278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373831446 105940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple more and i'll ban him < 1373831473 126516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote turing test < 1373831475 2379 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :371) Will anyone be irritated if I tend to disconnect and reconnect a lot? [...] we _almost_ have an established policy that bots will be banned it they do that. which means we might have to administer a turing test to sgeo, and that could get ugly. < 1373831485 422354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373831496 575346 :Sgeow!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373831502 197570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple more and i'll establish a policy that we don't need a turing test hth < 1373831502 467604 :Sgeow!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PART :#esoteric < 1373831511 78000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: FIX IT ALREADY < 1373831513 526264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1373831523 253695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can live with this theme for now < 1373831563 250469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could have relocated the server list for the duration < 1373831700 126029 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, that was for my ongoing project of a cosplay of SATW's Finland) < 1373831784 51333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was ages ago < 1373831801 841833 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually complete it on time < 1373831802 911788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you got a special lion yet < 1373831808 808527 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say... < 1373831812 338566 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was unfinished < 1373831990 772559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may end up disconnecting and reconnecting once around midnight < 1373832006 234688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unacceptable. you must now stay here forever. < 1373832021 338051 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have any blue ribbon < 1373832035 769476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373832050 917421 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1373832056 960021 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know where I can get some blue ribbon < 1373832074 739295 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do it < 1373832086 216531 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll regret it < 1373832188 646352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is important to me < 1373832386 465961 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373832836 270853 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373833004 747125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/0f_ec37PXNQ < 1373833253 878781 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtubedoubler.com/98zb < 1373833318 733268 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: wtf is that < 1373833331 167236 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1373833372 705803 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kid is disturbed < 1373833375 694699 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adorable, but disturbed < 1373833377 885587 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its a joke < 1373833787 851340 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1373833791 870504 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1373833838 462768 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was one of the creepiest things I have ever seen < 1373834198 490559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373834372 350400 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373834656 302146 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373834990 359565 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373835576 164995 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yycmulcjvmupyqsi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1373836718 449453 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373836903 295191 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373837305 592246 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373839162 696654 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373839349 877257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1373840112 206008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURING TEST EXTRA CREDIT: CONVINCE THE EXAMINER THAT HE'S A COMPUTER. < 1373840156 909164 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373840606 837082 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-46-40.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373840740 414160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-39.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373840754 497926 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373841128 549055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-39.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373841236 57799 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373841238 471963 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-212.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373841280 421608 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373841781 339774 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373843002 498076 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-212.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373843078 464280 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-126.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373843671 200223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, old joke < 1373843694 332687 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373843825 479541 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373844524 372074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably it is old. It is how I found it. < 1373844646 343231 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-126.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373844737 361234 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-56-50.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373844981 666202 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373845008 617777 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373845035 306002 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead NICK :conehead < 1373846055 424641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/mr-burbujas.jpg < 1373846149 519282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sign really fixes your makefile, doesn't it < 1373846207 972396 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The laundromat for LSD users? < 1373846272 41146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking salvia actually < 1373846293 40121 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it's pretty cool how you can see a sign and think of a drug < 1373846317 50812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should i use that < 1373846342 424215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mural was painted over due to vandalism :/ < 1373846346 524856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they just have a super creepy logo < 1373846362 955096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find a good picture tho < 1373846377 692947 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is watching grass grow and/or importing 5M rows into PostgreSQL. < 1373846379 570045 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :85,8MB 0:13:34 [ 135kB/s] [==============> ] 35% ETA 0:24:43 < 1373846384 199784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also google image searching "mr burbujas" finds a decent number of extremely ripped men wearing speedos < 1373846439 989449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can kind of see the logo here http://s3-media3.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/cxGNWxXViuddaSWubHoL6Q/o.jpg it's a washing machine with a three-toothed lamprey-like mouth, wearing a top hat < 1373846471 602769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I found a "bike shop" that turned out to be more of a bike-themed hipster-shit shop < 1373846488 534567 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I buy hipster fæcal matter all the time. < 1373846492 21941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you were supposed to reply to my question < 1373846498 526761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't complete my pun otherwise < 1373846520 545338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: salvia? imo no < 1373846537 276353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sage advice < 1373846540 763899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1373846562 511177 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "HA" < 1373846563 619698 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... < 1373846569 819109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo smoke other sage, it will smell good < 1373846652 301556 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-56-50.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373846763 210122 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373846765 415304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonana < 1373846846 134425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool < 1373846846 402329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :limo(na)+ < 1373847045 67630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you had it? < 1373847057 434247 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven’t. < 1373847072 303158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your IRC client automatically insert smart quotes? how does it work? < 1373847078 241423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use ``LaTeX quotes''? < 1373847080 954117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion hasn't it. < 1373847127 351800 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It wouldn’t work very well without the client detecting the language i’m typing perfectly, parsing the language perfectly and applying grammar rules perfectly. I just type the “”. < 1373847144 237092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you do that < 1373847162 595204 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr-shift-[, ] with the US International (AltGr dead keys) layout. < 1373847169 866582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373847184 83935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``ironic LaTeX quotes'' are the new thing for 2013 < 1373847225 642162 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski has been using ``ironic LaTeX quotes'' before it was cool. < 1373847238 342166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've been doing those for years :( < 1373847245 695843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373847259 670082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this make me a trendsetter < 1373847263 727336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs. < 1373847298 110789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: altgr-shift-, and altgr-shift-space? < 1373847313 243365 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(“detecting the language” also includes programming languages in addition to English and Finnish.) < 1373847315 390830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, altgr-shift-[ and altgr-shift-]. < 1373847337 592787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a band named Δ which is also known as Alt-J because that's how you type it on a Mac < 1373847349 389052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: How do you type ’ etc.? < 1373847361 814384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :“hi mnoqy” < 1373847367 111710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ‘’: altgr-9, 0 < 1373847376 227003 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“hi shachaf„ < 1373847404 519614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘hello mnoqy, < 1373847410 24691 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :„Gutan Tag shachar“ < 1373847412 435415 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1373847415 120744 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1373847429 516600 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺hi☹ < 1373847447 38139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shachar" means "dawn" hth < 1373847456 227612 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :☻hi� < 1373847468 480886 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What does shachaf mean? < 1373847484 680279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"seagull" < 1373847561 443013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎛ ⎞ < 1373847563 66813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜g’day mnoqy⎟ < 1373847564 442229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎝ ⎠ < 1373847618 591196 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :òh hí < 1373847622 75028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎰ o ⎱ < 1373847623 686694 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎱ hai ⎰ < 1373847643 239153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the double tall integral symbol < 1373847645 382311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tia < 1373847671 887397 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :卐 Good day, gentlemen. 卍 < 1373847675 713297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌠ < 1373847679 26078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎮ < 1373847679 828352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎮ < 1373847680 97489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎮ < 1373847680 364995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎮ < 1373847680 632805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎮ < 1373847684 958908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌡ < 1373847696 820039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. good < 1373847716 499665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the 8x as tall integral symbol < 1373847722 710809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good codepoint imo < 1373847726 765999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't line up for me in urxvt :/ < 1373847728 910218 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost done. 227MB 0:36:16 [ 164kB/s] [======================================> ] 93% ETA 0:02:23 < 1373847733 205398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good in gedit < 1373847741 823001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fix ur xvt hth < 1373847746 108900 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lines up for me in gnome-terminal. < 1373847762 796943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌣greetings mnoqy⌢ < 1373847773 273508 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌣̈ < 1373847785 115955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: doesn't combine for me :'( < 1373847794 300169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌢̈ < 1373847815 580876 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your $thing render them side by side? < 1373847820 671254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎧ < 1373847823 82641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎪ < 1373847828 443389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎨ < 1373847830 322699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎪ < 1373847832 199156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎨ < 1373847833 539374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎪ < 1373847837 827263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎩ < 1373847853 75005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: my gnome-terminal does, yes < 1373847869 571531 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Works here. < 1373848138 175287 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373848174 155074 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373848644 74829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:36 BIIIIKE < 1373848792 238666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help monads in monoids are weird :'( < 1373848828 863729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition is something like < 1373848841 405344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homomorphism t : M -> M, and two objects e, m : M < 1373848866 528708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that forall x: e * x = t(x) * e; m * t(t(x)) = t(x) * m < 1373848883 195348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that: m * e = m * t(e) = 1; m * t(m) = m * m < 1373850729 704446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: try the refrigerator hth < 1373850739 758047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be a popular place to put things < 1373850742 475125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373850744 618633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :batteries? < 1373850752 807724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was a while ago. Yes. < 1373850754 684746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more channels you and I have in common, the more confusing this gets < 1373850776 592003 :augur!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373850785 219346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wouldn't want to actually make an unhelpful comment like that in-channel. < 1373850788 207335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might confuse people. < 1373850806 860529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do know people who put batteries in the refrigerator.) < 1373850825 781280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373850828 230966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not uncommon < 1373850848 901597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my family used to use the frezer < 1373850855 367246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also know people who put important documents in the freezer, as a kind of poor man's fireproof safe < 1373850879 842864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc lives with a refrigerator bandit < 1373850937 918450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "bandit" is the wrong word < 1373850947 656165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean someone who puts things into the refrigerator < 1373850973 369096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like tortillas and empty egg shells and, uh, what were the other things < 1373851045 102673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg shells go into the freezer to await composting < 1373851164 122936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF is all about the composting. you can go to the central compost place and demand your share of the dirt created < 1373851171 239927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you have no cheap way of knowing whether it's full of heavy metals :/ < 1373852913 939649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a logic that supports varying degrees of "didn't-happen-ness"? < 1373854518 451577 :augur!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373854581 564000 :augur!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373854644 867072 :augur!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net NICK :augur_ < 1373856720 338412 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need a center? can't you just put compost in a heap and call it good < 1373856724 624453 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have a yard, anyway < 1373856908 434963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't Worms as popular in eSports as DotA? < 1373856911 922430 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And LoL? < 1373856922 416368 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a fuck abut e sports ever < 1373856936 142725 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do you want jerkass competition heads to find a way to make worms unsilly and boring < 1373859521 768139 :augur_!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373859590 773865 :augur_!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373859839 951419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I seriously feeling nostalgic for a piece of crappy web search software from before I was 13? < 1373859883 244949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373859934 699946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copernicus < 1373859954 481626 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searched via several search engines < 1373859962 654235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noted whether each item errored < 1373859975 944200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember if it actually showed HTTP status codes < 1373860025 365866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember showing it to a friend. Also, that friend used dial-up while I had cable < 1373860061 794299 :augur_!~augur@c-98-231-232-27.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373860120 547826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to disconnect and reconnect soonish < 1373860193 277064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea how VPN stuff works, except that it makes me suddenly about to connect to websites that I couldn't connect to while not being connected to the VPN < 1373860238 183162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that particular website is registered in DNS < 1373860559 804746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don < 1373860565 809159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I actually disconnected < 1373860566 880645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd < 1373862187 306026 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373862446 691899 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think this embedded language I have in Haskell here has too many combinators. < 1373862482 312214 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are... eleven combinators, an apply operator, and two other operators. < 1373862896 592326 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1373863762 301143 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373864774 39799 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-33-100.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373864890 861125 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373866148 147071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What embedded language is that? < 1373866208 561368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373866258 978600 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373867846 103237 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373870022 467435 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373870124 422074 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1373871101 958672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally remember Copernicus < 1373871526 605897 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't he have a wooden nose < 1373871786 699392 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly, I will be getting up at 6am to call an east coast thing < 1373871787 888504 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1373871792 872814 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then going to work not long after < 1373871816 877668 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you remember to get high < 1373871840 432896 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will have to skip that, didn't plan far enough ahead < 1373871872 536553 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373871969 95660 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1373872208 490520 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373872382 354816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373874222 520937 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373874523 742622 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist EB+GG on LOLAR < 1373874528 834883 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist EB+GG on LOLAR: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1373874671 740864 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373876600 161858 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I am in way too many channels < 1373876609 306774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 across 3 servers < 1373877118 58877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 41 irssi windows open for my Freenode irssi. < 1373877127 339460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be >100, I think. < 1373877145 813870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo anything ≤19 don't even count < 1373877183 387412 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373878192 68866 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373880948 748365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373881766 254715 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373882726 910760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are... eleven combinators, an apply operator, and two other operators. <-- you just need to discover that most of them are monoid, applicative or monad operations hth < 1373883224 113154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : didn't he have a wooden nose <-- you are probably confusing with tycho brahe hth < 1373883244 395129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently copernicus had a _broken_ nose, though. < 1373883639 505456 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373883693 333963 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373884279 403534 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373884878 490865 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-44-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373885949 218113 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373886668 89495 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373886717 459532 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373886835 933751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, they're actually calling Linux 3.11 "Linux for Workgroups"? < 1373886847 232205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just the rcs but I really hope so < 1373887032 707147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ Still, Torvalds says that application developers are very important. They're not "real men" like kernel developers, he says, but still are "necessary" for Linux to succeed. ]] < 1373887331 651759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373888846 491516 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373888882 785420 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373889483 376505 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373890886 582677 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373891323 116176 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-44-no50.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373895010 269655 :impomatic!~john_metc@79.60.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373895715 705861 :itsy!~digital_w@247.157.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373896354 429403 :itsy!~digital_w@247.157.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373896499 653610 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373897451 540477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373898045 149907 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbaoccjpdmxnhtnw JOIN :#esoteric < 1373898988 289038 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373899290 965634 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-217-113-3.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373902399 692988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fuck that guy < 1373904599 120179 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373905199 751163 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373906187 488084 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373906480 918530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really rather not. < 1373906526 248350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1373907605 419929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowowowowow Rust lets you put trait (≈ typeclass) constraints on the free variables of a closure, as part of the function's type < 1373907661 104548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is useful for (and only permitted for) traits that have special meaning to the compiler, like Copy < 1373907901 771137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1373907964 92988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i just woke up < 1373908047 837797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives shachaf a plushie < 1373908734 235753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is weird < 1373908894 577123 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, of course. < 1373909090 571351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373909311 772936 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373909384 290844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1373909533 96209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning shachaf, Fiora et al < 1373909678 111276 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373909684 479630 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373909777 954 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1373909802 130754 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373909997 573738 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1373910048 970440 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373910338 777609 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373910604 375683 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373911276 612247 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373911654 263293 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373913081 532259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you have no idea what you're info < 1373913283 948639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi < 1373913403 369598 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I got a webcam! < 1373913416 967524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, so lame: R7RS draft 9 has dropped the number of {foo/, foo-quotient, foo-remainder} triplets to two (floor, truncate), out of draft 6's six (ceiling, floor, truncate, round, euclidean, centered). < 1373913421 454122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe they've just been moved out of the "small" language.) < 1373913427 148124 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also t-shirt transfer paper < 1373913441 486144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you going to transfer the webcam to a t-shirt?! < 1373913465 92693 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1373913474 38354 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be cool < 1373913664 3978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ? < 1373913672 726594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: cool, what will you use it for < 1373913674 959544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, sorry < 1373913681 735451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a pun? < 1373913696 647272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Homestuck cosplay immediately < 1373913696 914694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of a pun < 1373913704 158472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same thing as no pun at all < 1373913717 108850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1373913728 49090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know this above Astounding Fact about Rust? < 1373913755 579842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's formed by the oxidization of iron? < 1373913762 383719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1373913769 994237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an example somewhere? < 1373913772 120362 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's accelerated by salt and water? < 1373913788 362369 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's red? < 1373913851 410712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :already forgot where I saw it, sorry shachaf < 1373913903 749761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i 4giv u < 1373913922 225430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1373913935 138742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you want to go to the Computer History Museum sometime? have you already been? < 1373914015 829414 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty cool < 1373914023 414402 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in if you'll pay for my transport < 1373914055 488122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in with the same conditions as Taneb < 1373914070 995872 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott will come if you pay for my transport < 1373914218 890246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373914304 809769 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373914348 723029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have been once < 1373914358 645721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could possibly go again? < 1373914361 406196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1373914365 696776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll certainly go if you pay for Taneb's transport < 1373914373 851506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been to http://www.museemechanique.org/ ? and would you want to go < 1373914388 568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of the world’s largest privately owned collections of mechanically operated musical instruments and antique arcade machines." < 1373914487 43061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not < 1373914571 615316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's neat < 1373914580 720224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373914581 278296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's near the In-n-Out Burger < 1373914643 13446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the kind of burger that comes out as fast as it goes in < 1373914890 739197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373914898 694253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think that would be White Castle < 1373915014 734941 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan in = fan out < 1373915196 534333 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373915416 423995 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck, does [ always test the byte at the current pointer? or does the tested pointer remain static through each iteration? < 1373915435 29 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :current pointer < 1373915466 267299 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1373915617 970486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an implementation that didn't always test the currant pointer but it kept raisin exceptions. < 1373915647 816573 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sounds like a very good implementation < 1373915782 464901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my friend ana was the one who wrote that code. i just didn't want to insult ana. < 1373915912 234312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: aren't these puns grape? < 1373915916 558328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would you say they're a bit dry < 1373915923 881865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1373915940 438181 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange you glad raineys gave you the chance to make these puns? < 1373916080 898573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, not banana pun conversation < 1373916226 787416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd avocado stopping right now < 1373916232 224593 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a berry bad idea < 1373916256 400350 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm whey over it < 1373916277 380409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grapefruit papaya lemon watermelon blackberry < 1373916293 581404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf did that think once before < 1373916297 679721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1373916310 366856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373916341 496941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you know a monad in a group is an inner automorphism? < 1373916376 362093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw your mention of monads in monoids, decided to spare my brain hth < 1373916402 708120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your brain has not earned sparing hth < 1373916421 630663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you, god or something < 1373916431 15996 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373916480 803539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1373916616 783994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION punches shachaf in the nose < 1373916633 347932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :been wanting to do that for years hth < 1373916645 28602 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1373916648 855533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373916659 360882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you one of those atheists < 1373916689 928161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, there's no use punching things you don't believe exist, hth < 1373916707 934773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf doesn't exist? < 1373916710 161950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does he not have a nose < 1373916727 97050 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when will you stop causing aah < 1373916738 959607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION = pegnose pete < 1373916743 291060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you may be confused. this may be better than the alternative hth < 1373916792 208905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: no, i'm pointing out you have to believe god exists before it make sense to try to punch him hth < 1373916798 985466 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you punched shachaf < 1373916800 325484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*makes < 1373916807 363929 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf isn't god < 1373916827 749615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i am sorry, he clearly answered yes hth < 1373916834 997715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, maybe that was unclear < 1373916840 608266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i answered yes to "something" < 1373916857 740025 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: may it be noted that it is trivial to punch someone in /the/ nose if that someone does not have a nose < 1373916871 226567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well i guess that's ok as i've wanted to punch _something_ for quite a while too. < 1373916878 809044 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming another person - with a nose - is present of course) < 1373917016 31975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i am sorry, but there is nothing trivial about interpreting nonexistent "the" noun phrases. if you want to be understood, anyway. < 1373917079 979923 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what! but the prove is analogous to the other trivial proof which - after some calculation - works out < 1373917216 392328 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1373917358 916436 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-84.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373917464 812170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373917805 860343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-n-out-amorphism < 1373918447 893857 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373918694 633623 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373919450 560480 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373919638 765427 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373919667 328249 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373919847 187400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad in a group is an inner automorphism? Yes, that seems right to me, although I don't know what "inner" is, here. < 1373919904 636134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_automorphism < 1373919999 877654 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373920099 428057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would probably have to be something like that (although I didn't prove it, but it seems like it). < 1373920212 164082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://math.stackexchange.com/q/443847 < 1373920225 720014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rustc is so slow :( < 1373920235 221778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the unit of separate compilation is pretty coarse, at least for servo < 1373920261 613005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rustc the compiler? < 1373920266 453186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373920275 913967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have called it rustic :( < 1373920284 573018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust interactive compiler or something < 1373920294 839449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rustic" is the adjective for idiomatic Rust code, like "Pythonic" or whatever < 1373920297 533663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use like llvm as the backend or does it have its own thing? < 1373920305 892190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm < 1373920311 376114 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the equivalent for Haskell? < 1373920314 861345 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskellish? < 1373920318 667937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskellicious < 1373920343 281173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ < 1373920368 780260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "trivial" hth < 1373920537 242463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "elegant" < 1373921614 490087 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i channel your inner automorphism < 1373922183 466364 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373922209 389311 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373922295 334496 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373923697 810784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373923774 608719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Mathematically correct. < 1373924168 939786 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373924249 938169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :6, 21, 107, 47176870, 7.4 × 10^36534 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373924317 901344 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373924408 989825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1373924425 842528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy beaver? < 1373924435 151331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1373924487 48970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum number of steps for a halting 2-symbol TM with 2, 3, ... states < 1373924495 32426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last two are lower bounds only < 1373924512 569281 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mnxmnkmnd.tumblr.com/post/55543165531/ <--- bike, this is kind of wow @_@ < 1373924529 667136 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right. < 1373924541 612848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's a theory that humans evolved flatter muzzles due to constantly palming their faces in response to stupid theories." < 1373924556 268509 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh < 1373924593 554166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best theory < 1373924653 635468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sadly that is lamarckianism, and thus clearly nonsense hth < 1373924696 92204 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373924726 170126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, randomly reminded, i had a dream about a store that was probably kmc-inspired < 1373924746 994398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a glass store, all they had was glass and glass accessories, such as glass tubes and "weed hangers" < 1373924768 930200 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a display with glass tubes that were bad because the government had put cameras in them < 1373924813 763523 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, isn't that quote satire < 1373924825 175429 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "even though this history occurred before cars existed" c'mon < 1373924829 544425 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i quoted is, the thing in the link apparently is not < 1373924851 737898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: c.c < 1373924852 12296 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c.c < 1373924852 218110 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   c.c < 1373924855 823588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it goes on with "What are the fundamental properties of sex-typed toys that make them differentially interesting to girls versus boys?" < 1373924890 632291 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: weed hangers looked like giant hairclips. please instruct me how to hang weed with them < 1373924918 846057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike I'm sorry I can't enjoy this lego set < 1373924921 532456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is insufficiently pink < 1373924926 952209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe < 1373924928 833111 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my eyes evolved to ignore things that weren't pink enough < 1373925128 70304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is the stuff about pink having a historically fluctuating link with gender false then? < 1373925160 326785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the world did not actually exist before 1950 !! < 1373925177 295439 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373925186 13707 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-196-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373925198 67641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually 1995 that everything started existing < 1373925204 805095 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was only for you elliott :< < 1373925207 530329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being so solipsistic! < 1373925233 897924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my fault everyone who thinks they're older has fake memories < 1373925234 103826 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't have any other options < 1373925243 289289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you really imagine anything before 1995?? < 1373925245 430004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: http://i.imgur.com/esAzEkp.png I had to change my IRC window color scheme to match the expectations of evopsychiness :< < 1373925250 123154 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no it's just oerjan said something about it being a myth < 1373925261 50679 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: lol it looks like dos < 1373925268 919811 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? XD < 1373925276 625437 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might've just been the thing about them switching mid-20th century though < 1373925279 717470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that irssi is almost as beautiful as mine < 1373925292 16465 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (no, the thing about pink being red/manly in the past is apparently true) < 1373925340 170373 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yet it is males who suffer in our society. From boyhood through adulthood, the White American Male must fight his way through a litany of taunts, assumptions and grievances about his very existence. His oppression is unlike anything American women have faced." < 1373925345 69779 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373925356 403285 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike is this parody ._. < 1373925375 922300 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's Fox < 1373925384 685839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Things are no better in college. There, young men face the perils of Title IX, the 1972 law designed to ban sex discrimination in all educational programs. < 1373925403 332659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also whoa Fiora has #esoteric on the correct window number < 1373925416 82513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct? < 1373925417 957595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take notes, people, it's meant to be window 2 < 1373925434 61639 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's elliottic law. < 1373925442 72917 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike could you maybe not post this < 1373925476 463300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct window number for #esoteric is 11 < 1373925480 333060 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i already did < 1373925486 234669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't retroactively unpost < 1373925491 181385 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... can i.......... < 1373925523 23213 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1373925552 715997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant like < 1373925555 168575 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not post more? I don't know < 1373925562 253514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My windows don't have numbers. Is that wrong? < 1373925578 793998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. < 1373925668 415074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well that's easy. < 1373925671 900150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, watch. < 1373925697 997361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: (no, the thing about pink being red/manly in the past is apparently true) <-- itym "disputed" hth < 1373925771 626510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you addicted to hth < 1373925773 765744 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-217-113-3.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373925788 637355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should write a program to see what oerjan's record number of consecutive lines not ending in hth is < 1373925804 860041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : take notes, people, it's meant to be window 2 <-- yay me too! < 1373925807 813207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in recent past) < 1373925841 395342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no i can stop any time hth < 1373925876 289875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you watching < 1373926366 357524 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373926749 493915 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373926764 50133 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you were born in 2010. }:| < 1373926777 219887 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of your baby brother? < 1373926801 490687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you addicted to "no i can stop any time hth"? < 1373927308 425106 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote nephew < 1373927314 103763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :173) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? what Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle. < 1373927328 445467 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for those not up to scratch with all the stupid in-jokes) < 1373927347 455618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ fix(("no i can stop \"" ++).(++"\" any time hth")) < 1373927348 528359 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : no i can stop "no i can stop "no i can stop "no i can stop "no i can stop "... < 1373927494 272338 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-211.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373927662 191368 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-41-247.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373927888 3664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/blob/master/QR.rb @___@ < 1373927892 834450 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 50-language quine < 1373927912 691673 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://raw.github.com/mame/quine-relay/master/langs.png < 1373927927 6431 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geeez it includes BF, whitespace, verilog, and INTERCAL XD < 1373927946 847769 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's only six kilobytes? < 1373928022 168198 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-174-211.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373928050 57600 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a name for whatever creature that ouroboros is formed from. < 1373928061 811106 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-2.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373928068 666058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnite < 1373928443 809386 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-2.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373928558 947662 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-105.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373929736 993185 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373930150 984900 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-105.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373930279 41183 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373931033 329210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1373931033 857419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really want to oppress a minority? Because Finns are a minority < 1373931034 62934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to almost any other country. If you want to talk cultural < 1373931034 63129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensitivity, I'll join you. But my culture includes cursing. < 1373931034 395060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1373931040 27742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks linus :| < 1373931052 555166 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1373931101 100673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373931144 605153 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373932326 242176 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373932348 544487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I overheard people talking about cache but it turned out they were talking about cash. < 1373932362 637684 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cash misses < 1373932415 817365 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373932416 348495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to make a pun about that on jul 4 but then i didn't :'( < 1373932571 343669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentally pronounced "cache" as "cash-ay" before I knew how it's really pronounced and now I can't stop < 1373932590 913370 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce cachet < 1373932621 519343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1373932627 956340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes the same way < 1373932972 29761 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373933423 436500 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373933540 20806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373934532 798550 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys seen the super-quine yet < 1373934533 870389 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mame/quine-relay < 1373934612 654457 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was you huh < 1373934644 315944 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373934647 765607 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373934656 248325 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never written a working quine < 1373935682 188212 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are quotes from other channels allowed? < 1373935698 163701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the star of david in the middle of the ouroboros < 1373935848 5340 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1373936186 811750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373936820 692156 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/uMbB7its < 1373936903 444167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats me < 1373936907 266960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is that~) < 1373936911 897409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good ~ press < 1373936917 619636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went for shift and hit ~ too < 1373936917 886768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373936924 418344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even do that < 1373936929 283521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a ""weird keyboard"" < 1373936929 551549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ~ is next to shift < 1373936940 79869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a yes < 1373936965 535580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your keyboard look like http://www.goodtyping.com/teclatUKok.png < 1373937027 198360 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an application to a forum < 1373937048 467539 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they're going to be let in, i like their style < 1373937099 894479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure < 1373937141 366785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok this is double weird < 1373937144 651261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even triple weird < 1373937152 1458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you press shift with your right hand?? < 1373937194 169476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373937195 515953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`~ < 1373937196 658912 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ~: not found < 1373937198 528933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the key to the right of shift < 1373937217 539137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373937223 484165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does your keyboard look < 1373937260 203928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this? http://kb.parallels.com/Attachments/19485/Images/wireless-british.jpg < 1373937662 859020 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-53-112.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373937790 809192 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373937803 148029 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938504 419625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the busy beaver sequence grows faster than any computable sequence is at once kind of obvious and totally mind-blowing < 1373938662 154109 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequences that grow slower than any monotonically increasing sequence are weirder, imo < 1373938687 634503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad I could spread the fear of those < 1373938704 994669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you forgot "computable" < 1373938713 761629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373938746 38824 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll figure it out < 1373938752 505101 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938752 777122 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373938752 982956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938803 178913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess some kind of busy-beaver-inverse is an example of that? < 1373938840 206087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = number of states needed to make a halting 2-symbol TM that runs for n steps < 1373938908 670902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that inverse Ackermann function α(n) that comes up in algorithms analysis < 1373938923 356099 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the one i know f(x) = smallest kolmogorov complexity of y for all y >= x < 1373938925 683644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you basically assume is less than 5 for any input < 1373938933 298900 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hecks does inverse ackermann even come up < 1373938935 124698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote largest < 1373938936 539244 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373938940 103619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*ac < 1373938941 710643 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :54) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge \ 75) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... \ 109) but yeah i'm not exactly comforta < 1373938942 819464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1373938944 434765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*ack < 1373938946 99839 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :335) are there boobs you wack and squeeze around to move the mouse? [...] like those little nipples in laptop keyboards, but they'd be full-blown boobies \ 665) i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself < 1373938948 279433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373938949 351290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*acker < 1373938950 690403 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373938958 305387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo.*number < 1373938960 216719 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG" \ 400) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan < 1373938961 811284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373938962 629662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ways are there to make C Turing-complete? Perhaps making a byte have an infinite number of bits? < 1373938966 147963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1373938967 452477 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i've heard of it obviously < 1373938973 960515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote inverse < 1373938975 807911 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373938989 340489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IO on unseekable streams? < 1373939026 31217 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This inverse appears in the time complexity of some algorithms, such as the disjoint-set data structure and Chazelle's algorithm for minimum spanning trees." hey that's actually kind of noticeably a thing < 1373939074 595770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, https://secunia.com/blog/372 < 1373939138 948462 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, this is asymptotically optimal: Fredman and Saks showed in 1989 that \Omega(\alpha(n)) words must be accessed by any disjoint-set data structure per operation on average" nice < 1373939147 462465 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nice, that pasted correctly < 1373939249 231145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alpha and the omega < 1373939299 715352 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: security drama is hilarious < 1373939354 252262 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think VLC mediaplayer in principle is an excelent peace of software. " i don't even know what this means. what's the VLC principle < 1373939369 957531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's excelent peace < 1373940309 968295 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1373940691 184398 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373940693 703325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I should use a different video player < 1373940777 784235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer 4 lyfe < 1373940890 414264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"World's #1 text MMO / MUD" ... "Where women wear real armor" < 1373940900 95725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it not possible for women to wear real armor if you can see them? < 1373940909 659435 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373940912 74372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1373940918 788560 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to write a cipher, see if anyone can crack it! Hints: It is all ASCII code, available via keyboard. Cipher key: (Hexadecimal) http://pastebin.com/bN7UZCGw Encrypted text: (Hexadecimal): http://pastebin.com/KuKGf7Q0 < 1373940923 649578 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paste the ASCII deciphered(hint) result. < 1373940926 295870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/2970-1373396333.jpg < 1373940945 212161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that image does not make me think of a MUD. An MMO maybe, but not a MUD. < 1373940959 910417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: you're that challenge person with a bunch of names right < 1373941010 457739 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available via keyboard < 1373941102 49634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: you could ask in ##crypto too < 1373941154 502104 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, but yarrkov does not like it. < 1373941179 108094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are there any details at all as to the code here or is it just a heap of bits that you have to decode with no information about the cipher < 1373941234 266307 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No further info. < 1373941241 849412 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you ask, ill be able to assist you < 1373941265 353207 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373941274 806742 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-45-40.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373941279 681124 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373941385 118478 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright i got this cipher < 1373941477 796434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his asshole to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down, you dig, farting out the words. It was unlike anything I ever heard. Bubbly, thick, stagnant sound. A sound you could smell. This man worked for the carnival, you dig? And to start with it was like a novelty ventriloquist act. After a while, the ass started talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared... and his ass woul < 1373941509 499716 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure this message should have stayed ciphered, sardig. < 1373941540 660333 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Excusme? < 1373941555 390715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the message isn't it < 1373941559 987833 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a caesar cipher < 1373941560 254672 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That is not the cipher? < 1373941563 742222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, sardig < 1373941570 61405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of challenge isn't welcome here imo < 1373941571 669529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it's not the cipher, you pasted the cipher < 1373941574 964343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the decrypted text < 1373941645 227995 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What did you exactly do? That is not the message. < 1373941683 923244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a caesar cipher, shift all the letters to the right a few places < 1373941693 350581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you could have at least gone for vignere, made it more challenging < 1373941718 184504 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Show us how you did it, because that is not the plaintext... < 1373941754 45801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean show you it's the simplest cipher in the world < 1373941762 388604 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_cipher < 1373941803 192751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the simplest cipher is the identity cipher hth < 1373941810 5444 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Are you trying to troll? < 1373941825 60093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's just caesar zero. < 1373941839 757429 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How could you shift it so quick? < 1373941848 113546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it's not a cipher, it's a family of ciphers!! < 1373941854 79316 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... it's not like i was doing it by hand... < 1373941863 656030 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Then show us what you used. < 1373941877 190733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC pro move: show up in a channel and immediately accuse channel regulars of trolling < 1373941895 589668 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is not the plaintext... < 1373941902 376891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mastring/mafingre right < 1373941902 639211 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even check yourself. < 1373941918 931722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you check? you gave no details about the cipher < 1373941923 759216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the plaintext could be anything at all < 1373941947 30038 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave 2 details about the cipher < 1373941948 910152 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a hint < 1373942000 498834 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://realitystudio.org/texts/naked-lunch/talking-asshole/ < 1373942005 622532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373942006 430824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i have a challenge < 1373942008 631850 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got what you said from there. < 1373942014 648644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the ciphertext: yxkGC3YhlRmcmr96NsKiInoDC19I5IHizprvMOeypXpX4UfH4qRsg7V3nMUfxDHXXp8FuwvtDjH7 < 1373942022 464083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the key: D6u5utqNryrIPCwQuAdlUe < 1373942036 623658 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is it an actual cipher? < 1373942044 398405 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is, he said so right there < 1373942047 652870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes a cipher actual < 1373942050 603922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is government if words have no meaning < 1373942055 467400 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean, I appareciate Burroughs as much as the next guy, but it's kind of weird to just come in the channel and paste it < 1373942059 589084 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It decodes to plaintext < 1373942079 118286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things do < 1373942096 199008 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Your attempt at trolling is not helping. < 1373942108 78040 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep saying that < 1373942119 998040 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You are yet to show me how you did it < 1373942133 627744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but < 1373942137 184220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> fromEnum (toEnum x + 3) :: Char) "hello" < 1373942138 255452 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1373942138 461630 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1373942140 130748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: are you mastring/mafingre, I just want to know < 1373942145 562832 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always with the type errors < 1373942158 334504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (fromEnum (toEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "hello" < 1373942159 200749 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1373942159 406282 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1373942217 499118 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (toEnum (fromEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "hello" < 1373942218 36334 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "khoor" < 1373942220 982689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go. < 1373942229 724986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my actual code was in python but i don't think we have a python evalbot. < 1373942235 479778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print 123 < 1373942237 391041 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1373942248 259038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is underappreciated, it does tons of languages < 1373942248 527489 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow where were you five minutes ago dude < 1373942252 590780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages < 1373942255 568110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1373942256 679396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1373942257 213494 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1373942262 344768 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ideone does < 1373942268 635372 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't linguine a kind of pasta < 1373942280 259084 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know ideone does, but it's so trivial i wanted it just in the channel < 1373942296 850477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you like actually not aware of caesar ciphers? they're perfect to teach crypto to kids < 1373942307 922826 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google linguine language < 1373942309 32220 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/rexmurphy/story/2013/02/21/thenational-rexmurphy-022113.html < 1373942309 298956 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: CBC News - The National - Rex Murphy - On Language and Linguine < 1373942312 246687 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: So where is the key inputted? < 1373942313 320220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1373942338 69939 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need the key, you just put that in to misdirect. < 1373942368 165627 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (toEnum (fromEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "17e4c459841029f07a1fbeb011ba7e5d5cadb75628d1514e524ec877c34ca78241589c5849981725​f89ce03f3fb273f347b21982357d43725541c936d6726677abcd143bccead76f57765168b53dc3f0​268cd9" < 1373942368 967098 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:128: < 1373942369 173046 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '... < 1373942386 343875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1373942399 778115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you expected < 1373942459 480143 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what? < 1373942531 399695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok look we're obviously fucking with you, because your 'challenge' is boring and technically impossible because as shachaf implied you could use an arbitrary algorithm to have arbitrary plaintext, and playing 'guess the commonly used algorithm' is no fun. ok? < 1373942549 455576 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus if elliott is to be believed you're dumping this randomly into channels for some reason < 1373942550 796036 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You were trolling. < 1373942554 584547 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373942577 357835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just find the names things curious that's all < 1373942580 38943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1373942585 804924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be less curious if sardig answered :P < 1373942600 490466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: Are you mafingre/mastring/etc.? < 1373942612 207947 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Who/what is that? < 1373942623 312220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: two people with the same IP as you. < 1373942630 858345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who joined using the same web client as you to ask the same challenges as you. < 1373942647 532842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt there but are you actually denying you're them. < 1373942651 80263 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only ever joined once as this name. < 1373942657 53921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, "as this name". < 1373942660 67004 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I live in a shared apartment < 1373942665 160298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373942667 35049 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, god, don't even do that. < 1373942681 909986 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do what? < 1373942690 581817 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live in a shared apartment? < 1373942707 976165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :claim your roommate came in and did something objectionable (not that this is really that objectionable anyway!) when somebody notices your IP did something objectionable. < 1373942709 319357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, look, it's really really obvious that they're you. < 1373942729 116377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can just forget that. i'll forgive you if you stop insulting all our intelligence by implying you're not them. i mean seriously. < 1373942751 875415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we've all been around the block a few times. as you know i am an accomplished troll, familiar with exciting troll tactics such as weird excuses and resetting my router to get a slightly different IP that is noticed in two seconds. < 1373942775 698901 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I knew you were trolling, you were not accomplished. < 1373942785 168477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1373942810 822079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: have I not made it clear that you're digging yourself a pretty deep hole here. < 1373942816 454521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, stop. < 1373942831 14608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i'm sorry for being mean but seriously nobody cares about your challenge, aight < 1373942858 397873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i don't actually own Naked Lunch, I do have Junkie but it's too psychotic for me to read < 1373942876 394163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch the movie sometime though. < 1373942885 816935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of naked lunch, not junkie. i don't think there's a movie of junkie. < 1373943048 837340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Gracenotes < 1373943052 859645 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-15 07:04:00: I think I will have to skip that, didn't plan far enough ahead < 1373943065 971311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still disappointed he didn't get high, tbh < 1373943086 503030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who / what < 1373943091 869053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gracenotes. < 1373943100 750821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when < 1373943112 890600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... around 7:04:00 apparently. < 1373943136 144343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373943152 578434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well getting hi is the beginning of any good phone call < 1373943157 403757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1373943162 498867 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1373943167 91721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, totally, man < 1373943189 529994 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly mean. < 1373943221 44371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: So are you mafingre etc. or are you a different person using the same IP address joining the same channel to give the same sort of challenge? < 1373943250 267633 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may or may not be mafingre's room-mate < 1373943255 909025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, look, don't. < 1373943269 784341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: Just answer the question. < 1373943299 39950 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373943312 743464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes what? < 1373943312 985486 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1373943324 603174 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mafingre < 1373943340 611039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok cool so what was with the whole roommate thing. I mean really. you could have just said. < 1373943340 816542 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there we go. < 1373943344 92302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious. < 1373943376 524663 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can i ask a serious question about a project I am working on though? < 1373943380 874303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1373943440 420796 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am creating a messaging software (secure) And thinking of using sha256; well, the only time it uses the sha hash is to send the pass for conformation, then it uses the md5 hash of the pass as the key for the encryption (AES) , the server then uses this encryption to send the iv to the client, and then they both use the md5 hash and the iv to do any other encrypting of messages < 1373943446 515412 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iv is a random long generated on server startup < 1373943464 554644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373943466 347068 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why switch algos? < 1373943467 419669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this challenge is more appropriate for ##crypto. < 1373943467 722563 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that sound? is it safe/secure? < 1373943490 527018 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Currently banned there. < 1373943546 270624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A jar? For cooking rice? < 1373943550 289184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you get banned for :P < 1373943554 75436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it doesn't work very well if the person isn't even in the channel. < 1373943571 654601 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yarrkov did not like my challenges. < 1373943586 275873 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had a little fit. < 1373943603 244623 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is finnish too. < 1373943616 536936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really want to oppress a minority? Because Finns are a minority < 1373943621 890430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shachaf don't < 1373943636 865557 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said he was finnish < 1373943645 20083 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's referencing a recent internet fit < 1373943660 23062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo I gave linus one quote too many the first time < 1373943673 376061 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i suppose using the same "iv" for channels across one server invocation could be insecure, maybe the attacker can use the similarity to break encryption, or whatever < 1373943680 161714 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is linus on freenode? < 1373943716 486937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like) Linus < 1373943723 264365 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torvalds < 1373943785 359890 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if we wanted, we could have a unique iv per connection < 1373943832 63633 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, whatshisname (scheiner) had a free book on security didn't he < 1373943840 865469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free and/or i pirated it, anyway it's gonna be better than me < 1373943851 139845 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is the cryptography master < 1373943855 224434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IV isn't meant to be encrypted in the first place. < 1373943876 879154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a thing? i'm just reading "intravenuous" < 1373943877 417121 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps it's "AES/CBC/PKCS5Padding" (the algo we are using) < 1373943894 491156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you should be using is a high-level cryptography library. < 1373943898 799894 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As most junkies would < 1373943911 215706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or maybe you are in this case. I don't know. < 1373943917 382875 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initialization vector < 1373943921 16271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you shouldn't be thinking about sha256 and md5 yourself. < 1373943940 636722 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to see my Java code? < 1373943943 850751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1373943948 486228 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I have implemented for the algo. < 1373943952 777565 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill setup a SVN < 1373943959 744530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr do you know the first rule of cryptography < 1373943980 803698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't especially want to help you in the first place, since you joined this channel after being banned from ##crypto, lied about who you are repeatedly, and accused people of trolling. < 1373944026 821976 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I accused correctly. < 1373944028 430214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I help you implement cryptography you'll surely get it wrong anyway -- that's how it works -- but maybe it'd be in a less obvious way, so more people would use your code. So net harm increase. < 1373944057 102629 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways back to my original question, so, yes to sha256? < 1373944060 417336 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it help? < 1373944065 291089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1373944070 567769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the first rule of cryptography is don't roll your own, because you're gonna make some minor screwup and nobody's going to notice until your bank's on fire and you have to move to Guam < 1373944072 707216 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How so? < 1373944075 653456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: you should drop the trolling accusation. < 1373944084 372164 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :kmc > 1373944084 396684 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373944089 862346 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He even admitted to trolling... < 1373944095 614384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1373944098 831371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1373944102 652247 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, there goes kmc's voice. < 1373944107 37328 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373944107 77865 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373944111 992277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt left out < 1373944113 63323 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1373944116 868288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc didn't have voice anyway < 1373944117 671606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ummm he hasn't had voice for like weeks < 1373944123 79214 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo voice me. < 1373944135 780447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know anything about impartiality < 1373944143 488826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could voice a completely random person < 1373944150 764840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I impartial function < 1373944160 444502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you knowing anything about impartiality makes it impossible for you to be impossible about impartiality. < 1373944166 447088 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impartial* < 1373944169 988270 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also impossible. < 1373944173 250226 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5 is used for 128bit key < 1373944179 980261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you want a voice or the opposite of a voice here. < 1373944190 489389 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't... what's the opposite of a voice. < 1373944222 298265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever seen The Matrix < 1373944229 847447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... once? < 1373944237 930963 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that scene. < 1373944241 739083 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it once. < 1373944247 944641 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it was hacker nonsense. < 1373944300 339614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you should op me < 1373944308 187013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll deop myself soon thereafter < 1373944330 246772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan would fire me, hth < 1373944363 475265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie did it once < 1373944365 118397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no harm < 1373944392 152910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the opposite of shachaf in here < 1373944395 99390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(impartiality-related question) < 1373944401 907030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1373944420 186331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now THERE'S a challenge < 1373944454 451980 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is a mindless challenge < 1373944469 755511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, rude < 1373944495 312428 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly, just saying not much thought would be involved < 1373944504 737640 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not like it is a puzzle or anything < 1373944520 938845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know sudoku can be solved automatically? < 1373944523 667455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, thoughtlessly. < 1373944528 231306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being "a puzzle" doesn't mean anything. < 1373944537 159186 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, its not challenging < 1373944544 699851 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know my challenge requires thought. < 1373944547 728456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, what is thought, even, woah < 1373944550 436033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i really don't < 1373944558 242184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well < 1373944570 927034 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to solve your challenge i have to figure out what algorithm you used, which is mostly something i have to figure out from your personality < 1373944574 148612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps i'm self-dual < 1373944578 176010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <@elliott> well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well < 1373944581 976055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like the magestic photon < 1373944582 181866 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1073) <@elliott> well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well < 1373944596 824894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the main thing with your challenge is that the ciphertext and key you gave don't actually add any information < 1373944602 755654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the algorithm can be literally anything and do literally anything with them. < 1373944613 8984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is equivalent to "what number am I thinking of?" < 1373944619 158713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 4 < 1373944631 355531 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fizzie once solved one of my cipher challenges < 1373944633 231815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually probably 1073 if anything < 1373944641 623331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now it's 4 < 1373944645 143594 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave him the same info < 1373944648 394316 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the digital root of 1073 is half of 4. < 1373944680 447257 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: yes, there's a correct answer if we can guess what algorithm you used, based on what we can guess about you, and assuming you don't just lie (which, while you might not do so, is perfectly possible given the lack of constraints on the puzzle) < 1373944694 121627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sardig: was that in another channel or something < 1373944721 955860 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway, "I guessed what someone on IRC was thinking" isn't very satisfying to finish. < 1373944723 520224 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was in ##asm < 1373944731 126746 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems off topic in asm... < 1373944744 251650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not any more off-topic than in #esoteric < 1373944744 519937 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, fizzie is a smart person < 1373944747 497613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway not all of us are as cool as fizzie < 1373944749 143977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1373944750 483320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone decrypt this message? 8============================================D < 1373944751 559898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373944753 168477 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also finnish < 1373944758 30886 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well #esoteric is the opposite of topical < 1373944759 638945 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all times < 1373944770 616048 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is esoteric after all! Ha < 1373944775 684480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha indeed < 1373944778 173635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a smart person but i don't know what that has to do with anything really < 1373944784 432405 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you could insert a voice recognition joke here < 1373944795 575469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just assume I made one < 1373944809 386387 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone met fizzie IRL? < 1373944810 157856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how can fizzie do voice recognition..............when no one has voice < 1373944815 621309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1373944820 785292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore +v me < 1373944823 767963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1373944825 498074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has voice. < 1373944832 80087 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf we need to find your opposite first. < 1373944835 669960 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to preserve the balance. < 1373944841 67554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess i'm not very good at voice recognition.............................. < 1373944844 55260 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :##philosophy is trollsville < 1373944851 902858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ask ##philosophy too < 1373944863 799303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling us about all these channels you spammed isn't really endearing. < 1373944867 20068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Do you know things about boolean groups? < 1373944868 897027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is < 1373944875 721193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I.e. groups where every element is its own inverse. < 1373944880 812174 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different sense of "endearing" < 1373944884 296272 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not very many things :( < 1373944896 263739 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one besides GF(2) < 1373944897 74412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: xor is a good example!! < 1373944954 43684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other good examples? < 1373944972 101326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it means e.g. that a+b=c <==> a=b+c < 1373944977 226703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the group is commutative < 1373944980 175654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things < 1373944995 136269 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there only one group of order two < 1373945017 59163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373945025 548267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elements are of order (at most) 2, not the group. < 1373945029 144226 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373945178 265555 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373945556 169877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's great to be on top < 1373945583 206242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i decrypted it and it's a kitten < 1373945591 140291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww. < 1373945599 719717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a binary encoding of a kitten, an actual kitten < 1373945601 368427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373945620 557727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373945624 111682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a christmas miracle < 1373945658 508581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't handle a kitten right now :'( < 1373945661 189103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i encrypt it < 1373945699 393267 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can I have op too < 1373945708 8097 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to ban me :( < 1373945715 55725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about we just op everybody simultaneously < 1373945722 131204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: greedy < 1373945722 704410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whoever's left in the channel last wins < 1373945727 838953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: do you even have anything to do with it < 1373945740 575971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @ looks cool! < 1373945746 704986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, granted. < 1373945749 655773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Fiora < 1373945755 122978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed box containing elliott < 1373945762 817948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your rust...... < 1373945772 850730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you know my box isn't managed at all < 1373945778 22988 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/17054/group-where-every-element-is-order-2 < 1373945785 31640 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I want to be part of the cool @ club :< < 1373945795 332228 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm reading this right they're all whatevertheufuck-dimensional vector spaces, but i'm probably not reading it right < 1373945849 360178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the need for the @ has vanished now anyway < 1373945851 509435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373945851 532397 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945854 845142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip cool club < 1373945860 816285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is still cool < 1373945867 467051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the only need for it that you wanted to look cool next to kmc < 1373945870 197239 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373945870 219888 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945871 885211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :kmc > 1373945871 909149 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945872 359092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you failed btw........) < 1373945873 829842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373945873 850337 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373945876 242970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip cool club < 1373945896 493152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't as good as the time I deopped shachaf in #haskell :/ < 1373945917 848560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373945923 244764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time was taht < 1373945938 757472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a spammer or something and we both opped and I got to it before you < 1373945941 432410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I saved you the effort < 1373945962 192023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373945971 913669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the ban wasn't quite right or something so i had to reöp? < 1373945975 197392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i just complain < 1373945979 489457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just complained < 1373945987 305254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can believe that < 1373947101 810787 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373948289 728633 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373949357 525117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :status: drinking scotch out of a MongoDB coffee mug < 1373949381 816163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: everyone seems to have those < 1373949388 625437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you < 1373949391 40504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373949397 778297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm ""biased"" < 1373949430 910260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1373949436 37258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because mongodb is bro-scale < 1373949470 616156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i worked at a competitor < 1373949476 816991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it i didn't get any mugs, though < 1373949506 949810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1373949515 312883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you did < 1373949520 759153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose mongodb mug is it < 1373949526 123551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unclear < 1373949957 160064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bought an ``e-cigarette'' < 1373949967 981858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tip glows blue when you use it < 1373950101 940234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1373950122 506035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to ``e-smoke´´ it < 1373950134 869792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :already doing < 1373950156 553921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1373950172 910237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your um, digital nicotine? < 1373950188 919987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :N1C0T1N3 < 1373950782 816608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: breathing < 1373951078 316085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373951107 830145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, Wikipedia got a WYSIWYG editor? < 1373951534 105426 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373952466 999519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the DotA map were rotated a bit, so the DotA 2 logo would be % < 1373952630 264230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many light-hours from Earth to Pluto? < 1373952679 774530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373952964 755498 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373952993 782287 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373953187 359633 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's only been coming for, like, 8 years < 1373953247 608537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1373953250 322633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your new job? < 1373953270 638974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+from+earth+to+pluto+in+light-seconds < 1373953272 80870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1373953274 496659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15,714 light seconds < 1373953288 129471 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy figuring out wtf is going on. < 1373953295 678607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.365 light hours < 1373953300 270105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I thought you were an expert! < 1373953305 954676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.1825 heavy hours < 1373953313 774771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: me too :/ < 1373953331 921023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chasing down a segfault in Servo, memory-safe language my ass < 1373953359 442507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, segfaults < 1373953364 60341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep 'unsafe' $(find -name '*.rs' -o -name '*.rc') | wc -l < 1373953364 328234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4612 < 1373953369 970700 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought it was proved < 1373953374 658566 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the safestest < 1373953424 454131 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People I have evidence that the Chinese anticipated the men who stare at goats by over two centuries < 1373953430 83081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe: Sheep in military formation http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Receiving_the_surrender_of_the_Yili.jpg < 1373953430 350421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps gadts will fix your segfaults < 1373953442 19856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took five unsafeCoerces out of lens using gadts!! < 1373953452 233202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratschaf < 1373953467 150966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to convert it to use Proxy < 1373953472 295645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bounty for each one < 1373953480 405355 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use MACHINES < 1373953483 894141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373953488 254047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy as in data Proxy a = Proxy < 1373953493 155360 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. pssh. < 1373953494 226710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "that weird one" < 1373953498 359525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a nice simple data type < 1373953499 430538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one true Proxy < 1373953505 102884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Proxy is the best imo < 1373953507 791439 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of that type < 1373953521 331017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing a type as a parameter, more or less < 1373953524 277508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/7671 :/ < 1373953525 358169 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :humankind is not yet advanced enough to construct lens library without unsafeCoerce < 1373953535 114783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: um, we did < 1373953552 919747 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, totally without it, yeah < 1373953553 454508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh no < 1373953559 626605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does servo use phantom types < 1373953563 723240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373953566 447182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1373953577 520638 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is 'a' usually higher-kinded, in Proxy? < 1373953589 753384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DOM has a phantom type parameter and this is used to restrict what the script task vs. the render task can do with it < 1373953591 630359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's usually :: *. < 1373953593 625706 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy f -> f c -> ... < 1373953596 250701 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah k < 1373953597 936418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, you mentioned. < 1373953605 227296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Polykinded Proxy is coming, or something. < 1373953606 639708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Take typeOf. < 1373953607 986751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeOf < 1373953608 521728 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable a => a -> TypeRep < 1373953612 542854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (5 :: Int) < 1373953613 386963 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Int < 1373953616 337096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (undefined :: Int) < 1373953617 140967 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Int < 1373953639 260918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually use its argument -- that's just used for picking a type class instance. < 1373953646 893779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm a bit disappointed that just gives a single number, instead of some kind of time slider thing, or at least a graph. (At least it does accept "at YYYY-mm-dd" specifiers.) < 1373953654 295570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can define typeRep :: Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep < 1373953668 471204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can say typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Int), no undefined necessary. < 1373953683 905185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, plain "distance from earth to pluto" yields a graph. < 1373953690 968059 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also doesn't involve any allocation. that nice. < 1373953701 753833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allocation? < 1373953738 862640 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a nullary constructor, the strictness analyzer might not bother setting up a closure for it < 1373953754 771175 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somethin. < 1373953872 158938 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have a lot of things to learn. I have classes essentially 6-7 hours a day this week. < 1373953889 226553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google-classes? < 1373953905 223400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does that go on? < 1373953943 337819 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal density, then half density, then less density < 1373953956 26389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: But undefined won't get allocation either, presumably, presumably. It's just shared. Or am I wrong? < 1373953989 206472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a class on sphere packing < 1373954013 738579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeno's google classes < 1373954019 986483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they interesting? < 1373954039 539408 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm, perhaps. different closure types for sure, if they are both closures and not optimized out by some means < 1373954074 101318 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thinking of it as analogous to [] or Nothing or especially (), around which some optimization occurs < 1373954086 39153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1373954090 58542 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I shall see! < 1373954100 250959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a reason for allocation at any rate. < 1373954107 486976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in any case. < 1373954115 109591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not if typeOf gets inlined. :-) < 1373954211 700399 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good thing yesh < 1373954221 657656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo rust should get rank-2 types implemented with a jit < 1373954230 578381 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know you have a dictionary somewhere, ghc... give it to me..." < 1373954235 136379 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hales estimates that producing a complete formal proof will take around 20 years of work." christ < 1373954917 202428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is "copy" gone yet < 1373954966 798234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on it < 1373954976 331591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: of what < 1373954988 603458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1373955021 957984 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof that the usual sphere packing is the most efficient < 1373955351 771202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: rustc takes a long time to compile rustc, too :'( < 1373955362 603006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is "that weird one"? < 1373955402 399202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Proxy? < 1373955405 382740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage pipes < 1373955405 588530 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/pipes < 1373955516 681839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an easy way to generate rust tags? < 1373955519 935008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctags, I mean. < 1373955625 640475 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373955658 470653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of any such way < 1373955701 966699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hard way? https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/1731 hints at a regexp thing. < 1373955732 866580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of a hard way, either < 1373955740 988354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use ack-grep < 1373955746 381193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I. < 1373955755 293849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1373956118 6696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The enum vs. struct distinction is odd. < 1373956140 237500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's various code in the compiler that treats them differently even where it wouldn't really seem necessary. < 1373956189 663227 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373956189 869171 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1373956189 869316 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1373956371 319389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373956384 573810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there do seem to be a number of things like that < 1373956422 709342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking with sully about how traits can have type parameters, which makes them act like a poor man's MPTC, but this was only realized after the fact because there aren't enough diehard Haskellers on the Rust team :/ < 1373956447 528597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly like MPTC either, the last parameter is special in various ways (e.g. you can implicitly existentially quantify over it, by using the trait name as a type) < 1373956517 545350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also static methods of a trait are implemented differently from non-static, whereas in Haskell you can put the typeclass parameter on the LHS or RHS of -> or both and (I believe) compilers mostly don't care < 1373956574 230319 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :are functions expecting traits specializable to particular types? < 1373956583 148199 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :making everything static, essentially < 1373956635 738727 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wherever the parameter is, you're still passing *in* a dictionary, yeah. (or inlining) < 1373956685 994646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the inlining one < 1373956744 365744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust a polymorphic function is compiled separately for each instantiation, kinda like C++ templates < 1373956754 588200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that officially part of the language semantics or only the implementation? < 1373956776 1546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they do a template-specialization thing, so maybe it would have to be the former... < 1373956812 561717 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1373956850 649542 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no such thing as a vtable? < 1373956919 361123 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373956962 642598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably that's the existential thing kmc mentioned. < 1373957017 132822 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, may well be. < 1373957084 390851 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be benefits to universal quantification and vtables, like trading off codesize and codeperformance. < 1373957102 51783 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373957179 497509 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, yes, Rust is already pretty heavy on syntax for operational control... < 1373957367 275576 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now just making things up < 1373957499 550026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, when you use a trait as a type, you end up with something like a vtable < 1373957500 885872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373957512 300247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know if it's officially part of semantics < 1373957562 255933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's hard to compile polymorphic functions once, if the types at which they can be used vary in size and other properties < 1373957586 824075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java and Haskell and such get away with it because they enforce this uniform representation where everything is a pointer to a heap object with certain stuff < 1373957775 833533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Real World OCaml now o_O < 1373957945 89924 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1373957968 525346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Jason Hickey is one of the authors! < 1373958078 361972 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_cakes#Categorisation_as_cake_or_biscuit_for_VAT < 1373958268 365494 :THEGH05T!~root@2.120.185.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373958294 798239 :THEGH05T!~root@2.120.185.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YO < 1373958315 633581 :THEGH05T!~root@2.120.185.255 PART :#esoteric < 1373958357 580676 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373958363 521210 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had root < 1373958392 721940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was glorious < 1373958831 237965 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373959434 608108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION back < 1373959445 174782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to sleep, though, to get my sleep all fixed up. < 1373959598 117684 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373959612 804597 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should do that < 1373960722 277489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, enums are really treated entirely separately in the compiler. < 1373960734 156858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty odd. < 1373961142 547662 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373961652 442830 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373961677 65134 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373962894 694201 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373964023 996087 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373964060 53706 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373964693 431538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1373964797 696698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373965103 485364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1373965135 66589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you figure out any new fancy type things < 1373965988 260021 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966152 869112 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966358 637594 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1373966366 807625 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966706 19899 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373966719 496749 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373966851 259626 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373969241 330177 :tebuan!~user@180.251.139.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373969262 170428 :tebuan!~user@180.251.139.124 PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1373969382 45655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373969422 830663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373971108 434805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373971184 982483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : thanks linus :| <-- did anyone suggest the compromise that he can only swear in finnish twh < 1373972249 813613 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373972257 732914 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373972482 46034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373972510 594223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mentally pronounced "cache" as "cash-ay" before I knew how it's really pronounced and now I can't stop <-- i mentally pronounce it with a long a hth < 1373972541 174790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it "catchee" < 1373972895 271561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a catchy pronunciation < 1373975686 720587 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1373975797 893637 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373976059 678873 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373976094 893852 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...Does this seem at all original? It's a semi-esoteric lang inspired by ternary operators: https://github.com/L8D/tran < 1373976216 905477 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: depends... at least it's not a brainfuck equivalent < 1373976268 16923 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373976307 469682 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand... it seems a bit like "take language X and replace some symbols" < 1373976339 135661 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most languages (definitely not all of them) the semantic of the language are what make it special, not the syntax < 1373976349 160661 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*semantics < 1373976364 573164 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally started with the idea of a javascript equivalent in which could be efficiently minimized < 1373976437 615365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott who's the opposite of shachaf in here <-- i suggest Vorpal hth < 1373976437 882204 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373976441 237355 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted something that would be easy and fun to write in....instead of an actually useful one < 1373976484 668839 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say very original languages are usually totally different (and thus not based on) any existing language < 1373976485 781096 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning on it being a symbiotic language of js < 1373976505 484937 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1373976505 807952 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373976524 925691 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: so maybe not the most original, but don't really care about that as long as you're having fun < 1373976533 45517 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373976658 386586 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I don't do much javascript programming, I really like how it feels "vintage" < 1373976682 323116 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still will behaive like a modern language when you need it to < 1373976768 70745 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373976847 485237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf boolean groups are basically vector spaces over GF(2), i think. which means they're determined up to isomorphism by the cardinality of their vector basis. < 1373976847 789163 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373976889 885593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf so, basically just xor with your chosen no. of bits, which can be transfinite. < 1373976890 151415 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373977371 612786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike if i'm reading this right they're all whatevertheufuck-dimensional vector spaces, but i'm probably not reading it right <-- you were reading it right hth < 1373977371 858493 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373977467 754416 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373978683 536089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373978971 41443 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373979342 585327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373979974 852041 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373980113 270724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373980373 47532 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vectors have א‎₁ bits < 1373980396 782699 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373981021 484379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1373981021 752955 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 161300Z 02005KT 15SM FEW240 27/18 A3023 RMK CI1 AC TR SLP237 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1373981867 198727 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1373981925 659909 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373983078 423668 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6 21 107 47176870 < 1373983080 981749 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373983098 485120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 1 1 1 1 < 1373983117 422151 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: <> < 1373983142 988983 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,1,1,1,1 < 1373983144 387078 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : The simplest sequence of positive numbers: the all 1's sequence.[1,1,1,1,1,1... < 1373983159 699140 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty subjective < 1373983282 559770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be simpler? < 1373983378 511019 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1373983383 534047 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, http://www.theweathernetwork.com/alerts/high-alert/canada/quebec/montreal. it is stuffy, damp, humid, hot, steamy, sultry, and otherwise not fun outside.) < 1373983435 402598 :absolutinen!~ared@host99-181-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1373983468 85776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I think it may count as only a degenerate case. < 1373983640 289421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1373983962 505275 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373984005 34582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373984124 1250 :absolutinen!~ared@host99-181-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PART #esoteric :"Sto andando via" < 1373984219 871899 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373984814 743764 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis -1, 0, 1, 0, -1 < 1373984824 319396 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numerator of Bernoulli number B_n.[1,1,1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0,5,0,691,0,7,0,3617,0,... < 1373985437 600690 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373985647 849347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as infinite sequences go, 1,1,1,... is impressively trivially computed. < 1373985705 992563 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about 0, 0, 0... < 1373985708 951725 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that harder < 1373985770 685174 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate ([]:) [] < 1373985772 476481 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[[]],[[],[]],[[],[],[]],[[],[],[],[]],[[],[],[],[],[]],[[],[],[],[],[],... < 1373985789 755277 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,0,0,0,0 < 1373985803 321946 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expansion of Jacobi theta function theta_3(x) = Sum_{m = -infinity..infinity... < 1373985813 809011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's hard. < 1373985860 888616 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand correctquenced. < 1373985919 833054 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 2, 3, 4 < 1373985930 556497 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : The natural numbers. Also called the whole numbers, the counting numbers or ... < 1373985953 64365 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I started from 1, not from 0? < 1373985975 640508 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0, 1, 2, 3 < 1373985983 345537 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Digital sum (i.e. sum of digits) of n.[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9... < 1373985990 386489 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1373986488 751269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,2,2,2,2 < 1373986498 759417 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Number of distinct primes dividing n (also called omega(n)).[0,1,1,1,1,2,1,1... < 1373986705 988639 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373987290 863185 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to fear that there's something wrong with oeis... < 1373987397 220680 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3 11 94 < 1373987398 64785 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373987402 706054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3, 11, 94 < 1373987403 507791 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373987407 380519 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373987419 763199 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 2, 4, 8, 15 < 1373987421 407792 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cake numbers: maximal number of pieces resulting from n planar cuts through ... < 1373988777 974457 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373989057 775415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373989596 52271 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373990113 580198 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373990418 784479 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373990504 135885 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373990717 918681 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,1,4,11,23,45,82 < 1373990719 285293 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Length of shortest Golomb-like (for sums of triples) ruler with n marks.[0,1... < 1373991068 50758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think of the fact that in Rust you can dereference a pointer with & as well as * < 1373991072 924086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using & on the LHS of a pattern match < 1373991703 984483 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373991799 497748 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373992357 357061 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994377 929429 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373994448 64850 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 615216 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821318 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tbaoccjpdmxnhtnw QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821451 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821529 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994449 821607 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373994622 562915 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373994622 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1373996007 323369 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6, 21, 107, 47176870, 7.4 × 10^36534 < 1373996008 130455 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373996018 112918 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 6, 21, 107, 47176870 < 1373996018 972626 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1373996098 600324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 75692 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 75773 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 75852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996100 283076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373996153 173377 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373996187 294863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373996285 771890 :sardig!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373996369 587706 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373996697 452324 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373996699 632942 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :kmc < 1373996899 114018 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.240.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373997234 609144 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1373997234 876880 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 161700Z 23008KT 15SM FEW040 30/19 A3020 RMK CU1 SLP228 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1373997730 437407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads about Pierre Trudeau < 1373997787 87202 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION senses a great disturbance in the Canadian force < 1373998038 811464 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373998220 436284 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373998296 134069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, have you read enough to determine whether he exists < 1373998303 177393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373998634 79075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played a game called CthulhuMUD. It is very sophisticated, with a large number of skills, spells, professions, and areas available (but a small number of races). A local single-player open-source version (some things are not applicable and would not be implemented, of course), might be interesting to have; in such case, to also have permadeath and real ephemerides. Real ephemerides is what I would want such thing to have. < 1373998674 580035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other MUDs; DoorMUD isn't quite as sophisticated though and not as interesting really. (I found all of these on X-BIT.) < 1373998766 43067 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ephemerides < 1373998766 248914 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In astronomy and celestial navigation, an ephemeris (plural: ephemerides; from the Greek word "diary", "journal") gives the positions of astronomical objects in the sky at a given time or times. < 1373998882 674304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm[5]: Compiling LegalizeIntegerTypes.cpp for Release+Asserts build < 1373998898 876013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are software libraries, such as Swiss Ephemeris, but I don't know that that one would be suitable in this case, since as far as I can tell it does not calculate the rotation of Pluto. < 1373999126 996090 :L8D!~Anonymous@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373999171 697585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be good to have the ephemerides for all the planets and dwarf planets; that way, even if there is nothing on those planets, since it is open-source someone will certainly add stuff onto those planets/dwarf planets including the newly discovered ones. < 1373999791 811312 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373999883 476795 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373999908 309467 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have higher-order moons in our Solar System? like moons orbiting moons orbiting moons orbiting planets and whatnots... < 1373999970 607268 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an asteroid with a moon < 1374000023 823437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know. Maybe it is interesting to know. < 1374000109 722747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick search yields country music: http://www.amazon.com/High-Moon-Order-Betse-Ellis/dp/B00CMYX3J2 < 1374000118 962476 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ↑ is that what you had in mind? < 1374000133 399377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You can? What does that do? < 1374000150 232574 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: next() on that generator please < 1374000238 96320 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck high order moon < 1374000238 366874 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1374000252 863418 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck higher-order moon < 1374000253 69574 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1374000293 402978 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374000303 362035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No. < 1374000304 166912 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysnomia_(moon) < 1374000310 516544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/could-moon-have-moons < 1374000320 430202 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: heh, I was just going to paste that < 1374000350 45705 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_satellite#Satellites_of_satellites source of all knowledge < 1374000367 624979 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rank N moons *could* exist, but they're a kind of grue. (or bleen, if you prefer.) < 1374000372 716081 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A moon’s moon will tend to be a short-lived phenomenon." :( < 1374000386 865449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Universe is a sad, inconsiderate place. < 1374000413 940240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is Finland. < 1374000415 280086 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, speaking of high-order stuff < 1374000416 85289 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_list_of_lists < 1374000453 808681 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes, but finland has also cute TREES. < 1374000457 600572 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed that they don't have a list of lists of lists of lists though < 1374000509 645802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh. < 1374000514 741536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I get for using /last. < 1374000618 494886 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I didn't know about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disambiguation_%28disambiguation%29 < 1374000639 690951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aha. < 1374000670 209803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's /last? < 1374000681 155702 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an irssi command to grep your scrollback. < 1374000701 631769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeran: That's not too surprising. Self-inverse is a pretty odd property. < 1374000714 318930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, rather. < 1374000969 509470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan shachaf is saying things to you about self-inversion, oddities, and properties. < 1374000969 754013 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374001020 590447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1374001021 235263 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1374001030 610477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1374001057 871 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374001940 270161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374002069 172099 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1374002389 483171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help, I click a link to a conal blogpost on #haskell and oerjan is mentione. < 1374002391 362030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d. < 1374002445 631676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, conal is isomorphic to oerjan < 1374003404 334184 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374003795 655637 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1374004100 315463 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374004494 729300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1374004505 582397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32171 < 1374004754 826511 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, finland can't not have its own fermented fish product < 1374004846 769172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have one. < 1374004926 108041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people eat lutefisk (which is kind of nasty too), but even that's not particularly "Finnish", I think. < 1374004930 806406 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374004951 32765 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought it was from Norway? < 1374004973 319712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lutfisk seems to be shared across all the nordic countries < 1374004975 574812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I guess it mostly is, but the other nordic countries partake. < 1374005003 646171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While some enthusiasts[1] claim the dish has been consumed since the time of the Vikings, most[who?] believe that its origins lie in the 16th-century Netherlands.[citation needed]" quality encyclopedia < 1374005034 231737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we even have fermented fish products here... < 1374005046 928708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on a quest to find Canadian Fermented Fish < 1374005101 190509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Fermented Fish" article lists preparations with origins of {Filipino, Egypt, Ancient Roman, Iceland, Korea, Inuit, Japan, Greek, Manipur India, Thailand, Norway, Swedish, Yup'ik} only. < 1374005119 703066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :inuit might apply to parts of canada < 1374005215 154275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's igunaq, but it's from walrus. < 1374005337 509056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia claims Igunaq is not explicitly walrusian. < 1374005342 572370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was the Inuit example.) < 1374005420 117578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does still say "other marine mammals", which makes me wonder what it's doing in the fermented fish article.) < 1374005451 757979 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fine example of the Mysteries of the Great White North. < 1374005509 669341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it means walri (and "other marine mammals") are also fish < 1374005566 237393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they become fish when fermented? < 1374005572 706403 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374005573 785027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be it. < 1374005629 363416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, the Chinese call walri «海象», which are sea elephants. < 1374005674 976902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sea elephant" is just how they write "big fish" < 1374006329 989249 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.240.206 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374006764 700154 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1374006954 242595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i justified in skipping a mailing list thread where even the first message contains the word 'bikeshedding' in the subject < 1374006988 162731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is true and everything is permitted < 1374006995 424707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you can choose the colour of the skipped thread. < 1374007005 664733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my mail client allows that yes < 1374007021 525918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think blue is a nice colour. < 1374007084 555692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blue.bikeshed.com/ < 1374007106 445373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it about rust's awful syntax < 1374007112 343996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1374007140 531526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here read this whole thread and tell me if it's worthwhile, tia https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-July/004804.html < 1374007151 598005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374007168 815461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might still want to watch the thread in case entertaining pointless arguments pop up < 1374007181 468472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is advocating implicit string conversions and varargs as an alternative to presumably-unsafe printf style formatting < 1374007184 415186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Work for me though < 1374007186 830859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo tell them it's all shit < 1374007197 679944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to watch entertaining pointless arguments it'll be something fun on my own time < 1374007204 439272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a macro, not varargs < 1374007205 906832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1374007211 681000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, did not read thread < 1374007216 771635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://violet.bikeshed.com/ I wonder how many color options this site has? < 1374007221 636622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fmt!() is a macro < 1374007224 589010 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the source code, Fiora. < 1374007235 78827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1374007237 797933 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1374007245 591900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiora! < 1374007245 798070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :before reading the thread is the best time to join the bikeshedding, "unbiased by actual information" < 1374007249 564126 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiiii < 1374007251 422851 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitesmoke looks a lot like white < 1374007264 380088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes. they hurt. < 1374007264 647348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitesnake < 1374007279 525243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mediumslateblue.bikeshed.com/ < 1374007286 548929 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... looks more purple than blue < 1374007308 192128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://papayawhip.bikeshed.com good < 1374007311 175713 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks blue ot me < 1374007322 247150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're just purple-biased < 1374007368 295860 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my monitor isn't very good < 1374007369 673110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i like that one elliott < 1374007377 762961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : help, I click a link to a conal blogpost on #haskell and oerjan is mentione. <-- wat < 1374007383 177854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is weird < 1374007386 127729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://violetred.bikeshed.com/ this is teal on firefox < 1374007390 998611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but magenta on chrome o_O < 1374007392 466810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://conal.net/blog/posts/a-handy-generalized-filter < 1374007397 823762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's cyan for me in ff < 1374007399 977608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks magenta to me < 1374007403 727467 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, cyan, yeah < 1374007409 983346 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teal. < 1374007412 971386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use this to defeat user agent snooping :O < 1374007418 978898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er spoofing < 1374007420 379451 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374007420 588670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, it's probably that thing where unrecognized names get interpreted as hex by filtering out non-hex digits < 1374007453 847258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sometimes i really hate the web < 1374007458 760591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :violetred would be eed then < 1374007477 1995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an impressively bad silent failure right there. < 1374007493 529576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://evilbrainjono.net/pages/startup-or-pokemon.py oh gosh, someone linked this at work < 1374007497 195336 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great XD < 1374007505 840220 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the web is great. the web feeds all. the web is like jell-o that is *way* past its best before date. < 1374007521 344198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :web is the little death that obliterates all? < 1374007524 109388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, like the parable of jesus feeding the masses with expired jell-o < 1374007529 378733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 out of 10 < 1374007531 808558 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) < 1374007555 807324 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Twilio is a startup :( < 1374007556 787901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ah yes, like the parable of jesus feeding the masses with expired jell-o < 1374007560 279373 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1074) ah yes, like the parable of jesus feeding the masses with expired jell-o < 1374007569 253140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 out of 10 :'( < 1374007581 342992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Communications power business. Twilio powers communications." < 1374007594 709134 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... it's like a corporate chat thing? < 1374007595 538841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they're reasonably well-known < 1374007596 343677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1374007600 406627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's an API for telephone shit < 1374007610 910795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make/receive calls, send/receive texts, etc < 1374007613 91637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement fone menus < 1374007613 361555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1374007614 459627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get building in minutes with your own twilio phone number. < 1374007614 700334 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8! < 1374007621 335112 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1374007635 776503 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to check the other ones. < 1374007643 918868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374007649 959623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nila is the industry leader in environmentally sustainable, high-brightness LED fixtures durable enough to meet the needs of the harshest production situations. < 1374007658 876865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was kind of dismayed by how many of these i recognized (startups, not pokemon, back in my day there were only 151 pokemon, thanks a lot obama) < 1374007667 287480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me that i was reading the website of this company that did nothing but make fasteners and force sensors and stuff < 1374007674 707600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a few pages on stuff they'd put in mars rovers < 1374007679 577962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know more pokemon >_< I kind of don't know a lot from gen 3 and 4 I think < 1374007712 841349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Habbo I knew from encyclopedia dramatica. And they say you can't learn anything from trolls < 1374007717 667906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pokemon that can be named is not the true pokemon. < 1374007732 941906 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the only true pokemon missingno.? < 1374007743 60677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Explore Freebase Data" freebase is a drug term right < 1374007744 955627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: imo learn about mushrooms instead < 1374007755 816222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going to grow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitocybe_nuda . they're /purple/ < 1374007777 687696 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Freebasing is also the consumption by smoking of free base cocaine (crack cocaine) or heroin." aha < 1374007783 660514 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a gameboy game about mushrooms < 1374007787 853244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that would increase their popularity < 1374007791 360751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could learn about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suillus_granulatus < 1374007799 703635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O dpm < 1374007811 588620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but but can I go on a mushroom adventure and train up my mushrooms to become the mushroom master < 1374007815 424776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374007826 895275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know, but there is the information to write a GameBoy game, if you want to do so. < 1374007831 713995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted < 1374007837 679689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you a mushroom master < 1374007840 632411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1374007851 162150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know all the pokemons either beyond first generation; they often complicate things a bit much < 1374007854 639984 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grilled mushrooms on the bbq... < 1374007858 307623 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION droooools...... < 1374007865 723245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my fairy type pokemon *_* < 1374007878 381999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever grilled any fairy? < 1374007901 634674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms from a fairy ring? < 1374007911 13884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms form a fairy ring? < 1374007965 67996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1374007977 904686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of kinds can grow in rings, I think < 1374008059 624447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a "fairy ring" what a ring of mushrooms is called < 1374008090 127059 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1374008115 677143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so called because they look p. mysterious and people thought they might be the work of fairies < 1374008144 915275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if fairies can't be bbqed, can they be campfired? < 1374008149 248077 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a field of mushrooms is a special type of fairy ring? < 1374008153 268099 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since fields are a type of ring < 1374008156 730065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1374008161 377794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1374008180 603379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps Bike with a fermented marine mammal < 1374008192 627184 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1374008201 527631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, are those fairy rings? we call them witch rings here < 1374008252 30148 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to ferment Bike *slosh* *slosh* *slosh* :D < 1374008264 910246 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"omg , you totally should try trisquel in your PC you will free proud using it ... free as in freedom" < 1374008542 697704 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. There's this certain sentence that Douglas Hofstadter wrote. I remember it was along these lines: < 1374008554 579792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This sentence, despite containing many nonstandard words, is still perfectly possible to comprehend." < 1374008586 171614 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the words were replaced with nonsense words. But I've forgotten the nonsense words and now all I remember is their intended meanings. < 1374008656 595326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This gubblick contains many nonslarkish English flutzpahs, but the overall pluggandisp can be glorked [sic] from context." < 1374008678 704152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(David Moser, quoted by Douglas Hofstadter in his "Metamagical Themas" column in the January 1981 Scientific American.) < 1374008722 572464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's quoted in the "glark" entry of the Jargon File / The New Hacker's Dictionary, which is where I remember it from.) < 1374008749 362671 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374009113 328280 :augur_!~augur@184-49-130-167.washdca.washdc.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374009168 306471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all this talk about nonslarkish meals, I'm hungry. < 1374009175 584674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: *slosh* *slosh* *slosh* < 1374009179 366358 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374009826 983224 :augur_!~augur@184-49-130-167.washdca.washdc.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374010727 742198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess it means walri (and "other marine mammals") are also fish <-- i hope you know that's not an etymologically correct plural hth < 1374011220 202682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw boily left I can't ask what kind of mushrooms they grill < 1374011309 584031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As a form of protest you should use one-variant enums rather than structs whenever you don't care about memory layout. < 1374011378 468917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374011380 614170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1374011398 863883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://blue.bikeshed.com/ <-- ooh nice < 1374011487 573868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the printf bike shedding conversation is more interesting than i thought < 1374011495 706983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they point out that format strings are good for internationalization < 1374011529 927726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a silly thing to hope for < 1374011555 417441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok and then there are some shitty emails < 1374011671 815480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1374011673 962136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to the shitty ones) < 1374011678 55221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1374011825 540036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1374011882 834687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know rustc's name mangling is compatible with g++'s? so you can use c++filt < 1374011919 702332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1374011933 757928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already used c++filt when trying to read rustc-generated code. < 1374011940 310195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code was still confusing. < 1374011988 351145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374012087 540015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes a while to get used to any compiler-thing's generated code. < 1374012191 806122 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374012296 75957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374012307 560219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even gcc < 1374012310 815380 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-232-94.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374012324 127945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it takes a while to get used to e.g. the output of gcc when the input is the Linux kernel < 1374012625 334755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do some strange things < 1374012672 645523 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1374012691 355189 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1374012718 706243 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374012720 321530 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374013363 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1374014864 228777 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 228888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 228966 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229096 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmexuawhppjkcqwg JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229172 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229246 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229320 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229396 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229551 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229639 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229715 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1374014864 229811 :banks.freenode.net MODE #esoteric +v Gregor : > 1374014864 257644 NAMES :#esoteric < 1374014892 609968 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374014923 728901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1374014938 999205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1374015243 889672 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Excess Flood < 1374015271 55459 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374015695 519591 :augur_!~augur@184-49-130-167.washdca.washdc.wayport.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374015923 178335 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374016128 74584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If any provision of this Agreement is, or is found to be, unenforceable under applicable law, that will not affect the enforceability of the other provisions of this Agreement. " terms of service are so weird < 1374016416 132966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one that weird? < 1374016482 452420 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's basically saying "in the event some parts of this contract can't hold" < 1374016500 660939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost every contract has that < 1374016512 368134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, i'd never seen it before. < 1374016540 836888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that because it means they have no reason not to just put everything they can think of in there < 1374016554 994378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we'd also like your firstborn if we can get away with it but if not forget we asked" < 1374016565 844950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1374016588 270269 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when i say "weird" i don't mean like, "uncommon", so much as "wow this does not seem like something i personally would think is okay" < 1374016592 370171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i went skydiving I had to sign something to the effect of I would never sue them under any circumstance BUT even if I was able to sue them somehow, damages would be capped at $x < 1374016600 769057 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1374016616 200706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to signatures they also videotaped each of us saying that we agree to x y and z < 1374016627 545555 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1374016632 152914 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they must get a lot of litiggation. < 1374016648 309009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they made us read a summary of a court case where somebody had sued them and lost < 1374016655 582193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1374016672 419046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and affirm that we had read it < 1374016687 509012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I got into an airplane and jumped out of the airplane, while strapped to some other dude < 1374016700 140247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all in all it was a strange day < 1374016726 879759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/why-kotakus-nerd-shaming-article-made-me-uncomfortable here is a url that exists and points to a real document < 1374016755 572018 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, i hope you had fun, both in the airplane jump and in the later eight month legal case < 1374016761 770093 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terms of Service are one of those areas not tested much in courts < 1374016784 483618 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they are, it is usually almost always in favor of users, rather than providers < 1374016816 640835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think I was in more danger in the airplane going up frankly < 1374016948 633678 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright i'm making it time for me to post sci-fi papers again: http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.2196 "Neural Dust: An Ultrasonic, Low Power Solution for Chronic Brain-Machine Interfaces" < 1374016972 84932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the idea is they dump a few thousand micrometer-wide bots into your head to record your brain activity. < 1374016986 140027 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is apparently not insane? < 1374017267 667566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems legit < 1374017335 788685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a simple engineering effort. < 1374017352 572155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374017387 693067 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when i say "bots" i apparently mean a CMOS with an antenna stuck to it. < 1374017636 237497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374017806 868575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, it's based on ultrasound instead of electromagnetics. < 1374017835 237322 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374017844 734824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ggghhhujik < 1374017847 419104 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13ggg10hhhu08jik: Welcome to 03the inte10rnational hub 05for08 esoteric pro05gramming lan13guage design a02nd depl12o07yme09nt! For more14 in09formation, check 13out our wiki: http://es13ol11angs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (F09or the other kind of esoterica, try #es09o03teri05c07 11o06n irc.dal02.ne12t09.09) < 1374017853 328261 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrasound for power is... new to me. < 1374018132 23324 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com QUIT : < 1374018163 40704 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374018555 282578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neat < 1374018669 627738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the circuit is supposed to be 20 µm squared O_o < 1374018678 282590 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should write a CFG- or L-system-generated welcome < 1374018710 875278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no good at electronics but i am under the impression that most ICs are rather larger < 1374018758 341222 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it depends. < 1374018770 743816 :ggghhhujik!~romeoenot@dynamic.rabatp1-180-57-137-41.wanamaroc.com QUIT : < 1374018776 137638 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that that was a process size once upon a time. < 1374018776 941389 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fit hundreds of transistors side by side in 20µm < 1374018784 389157 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all it does is transmit something simple it could be done < 1374018799 586898 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah CPU processes for instance are approaching 10nm < 1374018811 780693 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say "once upon a time". :P < 1374018856 497505 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, I have no idea if it can actually be done or how it would actually work, but it doesn't sound completely implausible. < 1374018897 317150 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICs are "large" mostly because they need enough surface area for bond wires (and if you're talking about the physical packages, those are huge for... physical reasons.) < 1374018911 762147 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said i'm no good at electronics! :P < 1374018925 414555 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it's not just a transmitter, it's got to be able to figure out what neurons are doing in the middle of a brain < 1374018928 136455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. noisy environ < 1374018942 229550 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not necessarily. < 1374018966 581735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gotta be able to emit enough information that what the neurons are doing can be figured out. < 1374018978 131582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just echoing the paper, yo < 1374018988 364585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This probably is only doable with the little things actually doing some amount of computation, but hey. < 1374019082 798624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since the power available to the implant has a fixed upper bound (see above), the reduction of extracellular potential amplitude as the neural dust dimensions are scaled down in the presence of biological, thermal, electronic, and mechanical noise (which do not scale), causes the signal-to-noise (SNR) ratio to degrade significantly; this places heavy constraints on the CMOS front-ends for processing and extracting the signal from extremely n < 1374019399 169474 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say the smallest one known right now is 100 µm² < 1374019669 716546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://bwiklund.github.io/ant-simulator/ < 1374019845 303852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, remember http://lpaste.net/52660 ?? < 1374019889 962155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these ants are kind of dumb < 1374019891 877985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty trails though < 1374020827 353606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.astro.sunysb.edu/astro/seminars/archive/JS09/jcl27Feb09-1.pdf also for you~ < 1374020837 72422 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I don't have a non-pdf link) < 1374020962 91154 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1374020975 1143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now this is my kind of paper < 1374021087 227092 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2010-190 < 1374021096 401276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how they interview the guy to say how exciting life on Titan would be < 1374021112 691863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if anyone wouldn't be excited. well, you SHOULD be excited, says scientist < 1374021183 96784 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so bike likes alternative biochemistries < 1374021184 711487 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes notes < 1374021232 697202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah when i was like 16 i read a nonfiction book on alternative biochemistries "the rest is history" < 1374021252 442285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm a fiction book on alternative biochemistries sounds better imo < 1374021262 209364 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've read those too < 1374021273 264725 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like schild's ladder, though i guess that's more "alternative chemistries" < 1374021284 975149 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you call Flux? < 1374021289 529216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative... bionuclearchemistries? < 1374021306 17446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ants are pretty < 1374021309 202380 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, if you take generalized chemistry to mean something with reactants and all < 1374021327 51579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call schild's quarkshit as "alternative chemistry", and the same with dragon's egg or whatever? < 1374021364 163446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also read one of the sector general books which is pretty fun < 1374021382 39749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doctor, how can we cure lupus in a sapient methane cloud" < 1374021658 118640 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374022114 734958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374022391 948558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1374022425 428442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sci-fi book series about a giant hospital that gets weird aliens, is all. < 1374022584 365313 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374023259 454964 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374023725 189552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "fwords" table, with some overlapping entries (such as "hello" and "lost"). What is the algorithm to efficiently encode a string by converting things into references to fwords table? < 1374023794 211079 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, you have "hel2" "2st" "2: lo" in the table...? < 1374023965 272513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, such things might be in the table, and then maybe you want to encode "hel2: lost" for example... < 1374024105 805445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374025043 242353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coyot.es/crossing/2013/07/09/20-amazing-true-facts-about-introverts-and-extroverts/ < 1374025104 996915 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374025167 990341 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a ganglion, extroverts!! < 1374025186 448007 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374025186 718559 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374025186 924087 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374025223 600797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Introvert hair is made of keratin, the same proteinaceous material that makes up your horn if you’re a rhino." < 1374025231 145319 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I'm an introvert! take that < 1374025242 796722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is great < 1374025360 380825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves her display of keratinous fibers around < 1374025460 68920 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: how do introverted rhinos deal < 1374025557 472254 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're horny. < 1374025558 547761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time. < 1374025653 214470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike this is a question that just came up between elliott and I < 1374025656 852492 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did hair variation come from < 1374025659 221497 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1374025660 294651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1374025660 948878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why do humans have such vastly different hairs < 1374025661 485337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1374025671 483561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, fingernails are pretty much almost the same. < 1374025674 164427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god we have a biologist. < 1374025676 40871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1374025686 843091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what is it with hair specifically o_O < 1374025690 60009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brace yourself for my speech recognition questions fizzie < 1374025693 8992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know if you've noticed but some other external features vary a lot < 1374025695 961763 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, skin < 1374025716 305203 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so? but like everyone has pretty similar fingernails and those are the other keratin things < 1374025818 561942 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok more serious answer < 1374025825 357691 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the difference between different sorts of hairs is just the cross-section. < 1374025856 193211 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, like, the thickness? < 1374025861 588441 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the shape. < 1374025871 613751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairs aren't round? < 1374025877 48478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight hair is round. < 1374025901 444418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, now i realize i don't know how hair is colored < 1374025914 993307 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing it's not through actually coloring keratin... < 1374025935 737649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's melanin isn't it...? or... < 1374025949 898793 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but what's it coloring < 1374025978 647584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All natural hair colors are the result of two types of hair pigment. Both of these pigments are melanin types, produced inside the hair follicle and packed into granules found in the fibers." < 1374025996 568748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so black hair is just a whole lot of eumelanin < 1374026015 981053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my point was going to be that ccoloring fingernails would be harder to implement. < 1374026053 80078 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean from my understanding fingernails are just a plate of keratin < 1374026055 799795 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be cool though. < 1374026057 140401 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairs are more complicated < 1374026246 28626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, reading the wikipedia article < 1374026256 794016 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like our best scientific ideas are really wildly speculative @_@ < 1374026273 310797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, for the evolution of curly hair (mammalian hair is normally straight) < 1374026278 408103 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what, the prettiest nail colori- oh < 1374026287 43478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the evolution of straight hair again (after the diaspora of homo sapiens from africa) < 1374026287 884786 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit yeah, i'm a mutant! unexplainable by modern science! < 1374026297 532195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it would be pretty cool if people had different coloured nails < 1374026310 224670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair#Texture <-- here's your evolutionary biology!!! < 1374026315 159081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're transparent, you'd have to have a different color of skin there < 1374026317 841369 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i was getting at < 1374026357 397718 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While some might argue that, by this logic, humans should also express hairy shoulders given that these body parts would putatively be exposed to similar conditions," evolutionary biology is the best < 1374026363 328542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1374026367 698121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look Bike, if biology can't make them not transparent then that's biology's problem < 1374026369 304458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (412) < 1374026370 916001 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (412): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1374026375 778751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mnoqy smlist (412) < 1374026376 46564 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374026377 692057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1374026400 425950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, so they've mostly confirmed that east asian coarse/straight hair evolved within the past 65000 years < 1374026402 838773 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what we need to do is set up a eugenic breeding program to develop nail colorings, is what you're saying. < 1374026403 374168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so post-africa < 1374026419 600638 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly african genetics seem kind of scary to me < 1374026425 235577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you have khoisians and pygmies < 1374026428 512915 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, super diverse! < 1374026441 637330 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the rest of us look like conformist punks. < 1374026486 790290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "afro-textured hair" is actually the scientific term < 1374026518 356659 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IIn the 19th century, a distinguishing feature of Khoisan women was considered to be their tendency for steatopygia.[20] This belief contributed greatly to the European fascination with the so-called Hottentot Venus." 19th century human biology is hilarious < 1374026526 706085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's the distinguishing trait of these people?" "hot asses" < 1374026655 179994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"these people have smaller heads, so they must be dumber than us, who are intelligent enough to decide that head size is a good indicator of intelligence" < 1374026687 828065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374026688 899749 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biggest head is best head. < 1374026699 399630 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374026722 677782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically I guess that means the scientists doing that < 1374026724 20435 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were big-headed? < 1374026732 338704 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent human evolution is weird shit though, i mean look at lactase < 1374026734 752625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or denisova < 1374026739 345308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is that. < 1374026835 339503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you genetics for the wonders of lactase < 1374026847 561116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a big fan of lactase < 1374026891 125469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm getting out of this wikipedia section on hair evolution is that we don't know shit and are throwing out tons of guesses. < 1374026917 4354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«However, inclinations towards deeming hair texture "adaptively trivial" may root in certain cultural value judgments more than objective logic. In this sense the possibility that hair texture may have played an adaptively significant role cannot be completely eliminated from consideration.» like < 1374026983 701085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how darwin was like "maybe there wasn't anything to it at all" < 1374027069 347285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it would just be some nonsense about different kinds of hair evolving to stand out and ~attract mates~ or whatever < 1374027072 294641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing nobody has any idea. < 1374027130 399839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fiber optic UV thing is too amusing < 1374027176 264310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you're referring to but I just had a vision of fibre optic hair < 1374027187 54716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the future < 1374027295 876980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like great networking technology. < 1374027308 548653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing where they theorized straight hair conducted UV better for vitamin D (?!?) < 1374027444 329606 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374027505 760634 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1374027579 999288 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374027604 389103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there so many people who have my name? < 1374027613 479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Hardcore Pawn guy, a gay DJ, Christ... < 1374028017 353432 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374028092 264149 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's that too (re: nonsense), i'm just not quoting it. < 1374028347 375001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't think darwin talked about hair, they just meant that generally as genetic drift and so on. Pro Biologist Tip: if darwin's being mentioned outside of a historical context you can pretty much ignore the surrounding sentences < 1374028366 596737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah >_< < 1374028408 871625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may or may not recall that darwin's book on human evolution was so outdated and Victorian that I gave up on it < 1374029163 697870 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1374029837 315271 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374029908 541908 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2013-4788.html whooops < 1374030723 850577 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.141.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374031061 443616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow whoops < 1374031066 871024 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374031199 424008 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374031199 694621 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374031199 900645 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374031285 848683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lactase is cool, lactase persistence is cooler :) < 1374031316 810397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in western society we think of "lactose intolerant" as a kind of minor disorder but really it's the rest of us who have the recent unusual mutation < 1374031388 852904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've tried to switch my vocab around. < 1374031417 36780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can take pills with lactase in them so that's cool < 1374031431 384260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modern world: 10,000 problems and a pill for each one < 1374031496 392508 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how complicated the genetics of lactase persistence are < 1374031502 833863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it seems to vary exactly how intolerant people are < 1374031550 160873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there exists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_regulation_of_lactase_expression_in_mammals < 1374031566 630146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness < 1374031587 338204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 million base pairs? @_@ < 1374031631 285635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe unpersistent people have it but it isn't activated < 1374031645 130213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lactase is shareware < 1374031666 957000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we europeans have evolved a crack < 1374031671 18689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean their kids can still drink it, yeah. < 1374031680 719401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my mom was somewhat intolerant but like not completely so < 1374031690 739491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like she ate some cheese and stuff but never drank milk or anything < 1374031719 328877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1374031731 164816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend just eats cheese anyway and then takes it out on us by farting continuously < 1374031747 522711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :admirable plan < 1374031775 513364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, explain? @_@ < 1374031779 303309 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my book on burma didn't really cover animal domestication, i guess that would help < 1374031790 672423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, dairy makes him fart < 1374031797 651397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was a common effect of lack of lactase < 1374031803 942863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash low levels of it whatever < 1374031804 148993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1374031810 150041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1374031851 469279 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez in retrospect this must have been why my mom thought it was a little odd that I never stopped drinking milk since for her that would have been normal < 1374031860 353428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my dad always ate cereal with milk in the mornings < 1374031901 288730 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chinese and Japanese populations typically lose between 20 and 30 percent of their ability to digest lactose within three to four years of weaning. Some studies have found that most Japanese can consume 200 ml (8 fl oz) of milk without severe symptoms (Swagerty et al., 2002)." trying to imagine this study < 1374031929 825448 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's a huge pile of cheese. how much of this can you eat without vomiting" < 1374031945 948021 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1374031967 889245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably presented in the form of a game show < 1374032076 88997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently lactase persistence is basically absent in native americans. i did not know this. < 1374032147 94851 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "Native Americans however, have a significantly higher rate of alcoholism than average; it is unclear why this is the case.[76] Other risk factors such as cultural environmental effects e.g. trauma have been proposed to explain the higher rates of alcoholism among Native Americans compared to alcoholism levels in caucasians.[77][78]" great < 1374032593 701146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-83-139.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374032684 179939 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374032790 79966 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution: make bacteria that don't eat lactose < 1374032838 650585 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only use that < 1374033216 20667 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, about dairy < 1374033227 609068 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Around 30 million years ago, the earth’s warm, moist climate became seasonally arid. This shift favored plants that could grow quickly and produce seeds to survive the dry period, and caused a great expansion of grasslands, which in the dry seasons became a sea of desiccated, fibrous stalks and leaves. < 1374033232 468750 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :So began the gradual decline of the horses and the expansion of the deer family, the ruminants, which evolved the ability to survive on dry grass. < 1374033235 515886 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] Ruminants produce milk copiously on feed that is otherwise useless to humans and that can be stockpiled as straw or silage." < 1374033236 317033 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374033240 876456 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fax < 1374033276 717983 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374033311 761940 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374033482 666024 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fax that are the basis of modern civilization? < 1374033535 515637 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more likely fun fax about agriculture than about dairying < 1374033544 704707 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are equally fun < 1374033594 736022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1374033610 661352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooooo < 1374033625 341512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that should be < 1374033626 221916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meoww < 1374034028 997764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading about plans to build a new airport for London in the Thames Estuary and one of the obstacles is that the estuary contains a sunken WW2 cargo ship with 1,400 tons of unexploded ordnance o_O < 1374034033 116965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery < 1374034038 210338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@____@ < 1374034038 415759 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1374034051 77752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know until today that 8" floppies existed < 1374034061 35303 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWII was a hell of a thing, eh < 1374034066 166118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1374034070 846547 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you can see the masts. < 1374034072 723299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ships like this going every which way all the time < 1374034077 810404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them blew up in ports < 1374034108 507205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that was back when they were actually *floppy*, right? < 1374034123 556976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 5.25" were floppy < 1374034128 954206 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christ, it has blockbuster bombs < 1374034139 448956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1374034151 153016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions < 1374034196 561910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading about halifax is rather harrowing. < 1374034213 506459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i didn't know the parthenon was destroyed in a modern war < 1374034282 954737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking turks < 1374034299 647909 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking turks. < 1374034313 966665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're rebuilding the Parthenon apparently < 1374034457 279214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster "An Army Air Forces pilot flying in the area reported that the fireball was 3 mi (4.8 km) in diameter" < 1374034483 235751 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the colosseum was destroyed in the great Spartan-Athenian war < 1374034537 187288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Most of the dead and injured were enlisted African-American sailors." FDR doesn't care about black people < 1374034560 988302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed "The Navy asked Congress to give each victim's family $5,000. Representative John E. Rankin (D-Mississippi) insisted the amount be reduced to $2,000 when he learned most of the dead were black men." < 1374034571 220240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :/ < 1374034572 833856 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374034573 133279 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Democrats < 1374034573 339226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :super classy < 1374034589 468067 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :democrats more like racistocrats. < 1374034901 601317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. first comment on an article about hyperloop: "Not in my backyard!" < 1374034914 8400 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poe's law applicable here < 1374034971 323851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a minute run away from a train station < 1374034973 771606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's convenient. < 1374034982 384488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....did I just effectively tell esoteric where I live? < 1374035003 37381 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but we don't care < 1374035092 702940 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY#BANANA < 1374035141 440507 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the acronym that is < 1374035152 734112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAVE_People < 1374035249 836164 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I hadn't tried it before, but the new mediawiki wysiwyg editor is very slick < 1374035455 367575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1374035517 171256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's actually called the Hundred of Hoom Railway. < 1374035526 561642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no one gets the name right. < 1374035563 768658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1374035632 415389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one of those puns. < 1374035813 964051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help how do i prepare for job interview < 1374035956 125009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1374035958 462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind < 1374036252 3089 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374036299 809094 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374037315 508389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, a few different kinds < 1374037411 942972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374037638 370618 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374038039 47058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone suggested removing sizeof from C would make it to be Turing-complete. Would making it so that a byte has an infinite number of bits make it Turing-complete? < 1374038065 545261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define CHAR_BIT? < 1374038133 751475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose as (unsigned int)(-1) or something like that. What version of C is CHAR_BIT defined in? < 1374038182 250176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 and C99 and C11, afaik < 1374038198 148615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's all of them, I suppose. < 1374038221 579864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, what I suggested might work? Does it work? < 1374038350 479037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would (unsigned int)(-1) be? < 1374038350 747656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374038354 772479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1374038358 257479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374038366 218872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry my computer was crashed < 1374038389 607778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would (unsigned int)(-1) be? < 1374038482 786176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be all (infinte number of) bits set, I suppose. < 1374038505 138631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect unsigned int is required to be a rather more conventional type of integer < 1374038530 475751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C should be extended with p-adics, obv < 1374038617 798792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't even all of p-adics, though, but it is a special case of one < 1374038627 784684 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-adics. < 1374038642 330923 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty easy to do bitwise arithmetic on 'em, perfect for C < 1374038882 928104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That is what I am saying, how to make a C to be Turing-complete, if this would work. I don't really know that (unsigned int)(-1) would be the correct value for CHAR_BIT, though, in such case... it should be the logarithm but I don't know that there is even a such things < 1374038885 876488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess representing surds would be annoying. < 1374038916 465577 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you're talking about a turing complete C you can forget stuff like CHAR_BIT. < 1374039055 542272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to adding/removing stuff as few as possible; can it be done without forgetting stuff like CHAR_BIT? < 1374039082 278237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about work something out and then add CHAR_BIT and shit like that back in. < 1374039125 843101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the whole point of talking about a turing complete C is to be pedantic. < 1374039131 681187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ignore CHAR_BIT? < 1374039142 171199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, i hate you. < 1374039159 906980 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you all seen the relevant HAKMEM entry? < 1374039175 931406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a relevant HAKMEM entry? What number is it? < 1374039282 892388 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :154 < 1374039448 815100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have seen that, although I figured out the conclusion about algebra independently too < 1374040071 66821 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1374040429 722499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes browser history autocomplete reminds me of the best things, like http://drilbert.tumblr.com/ < 1374040493 816886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/653a5a3738a955c2261e618720d3d2f5/tumblr_mov5xyyjR81sou3fto1_250.png ugh, i've been scooped. < 1374040765 24509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare and contrast: http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ba349e5889b12f74f3298b49ec6be1a/tumblr_mlf8nwyrKD1sou3fto1_r1_500.png http://25.media.tumblr.com/5dc653403c87e50c45d88228d685d143/tumblr_mfnwniHK091rlynuno1_500.jpg < 1374040834 274032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374040875 157944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION practices blowing smoke (well, vapor) rings < 1374040905 641089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw someone doing that today. < 1374040908 248395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@drymangobird thbe NSA is really good. but it could be bad? please dont write any opinions about it until ive solved this" satire on the media < 1374040914 447315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside a car. < 1374040949 389755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you noticed that tumblr picture urls are really long and ugly hth < 1374040976 883907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tru. < 1374040979 334056 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374040995 846423 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumblr is also really long and ugly. < 1374040998 26554 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying. < 1374041005 874149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know what they were smoke (or, vape) ing? < 1374041019 854129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just saw them through the car window. < 1374041027 126733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a second person went into the car and they drove off. < 1374041038 685950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a drug deal < 1374041050 966772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1374041074 327011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you smoke (or, vape) ing < 1374041754 343596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :watermelon-flavoured not-tobacco < 1374041757 823877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something containing nicotine < 1374041886 972653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : O, so that's all of them, I suppose. <--- you of all people I would expect to program in K&R C < 1374041929 565867 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374042365 152519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you addicted to nicotine now :'( < 1374042496 238176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't think so < 1374042634 811147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374042698 271380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → afk < 1374042986 48740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1374043025 98909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374044466 460667 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374044491 255929 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374045474 597165 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374048052 243285 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374049415 722362 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374050950 840477 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374051160 433271 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1374052027 770792 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374055758 77386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1374055805 734436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374056630 856602 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374057028 93835 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374057994 815889 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use C++, then you get a turing-complete language at compile time. < 1374057998 71249 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1374058173 885643 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.141.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374058379 162120 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374058577 280027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374058577 756247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc4-sgyl29-2-0-cust207.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1374058577 962293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060019 559871 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060019 802058 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1374060019 802165 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060061 634915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374060345 643205 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374061324 612959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:b9a1:46fa:381a:7f8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1374061392 581848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike yeah when i say "weird" i don't mean like, "uncommon", so much as "wow this does not seem like something i personally would think is okay" <-- i think the point of this clause is that it is very hard for the writer of the contract to ensure that no provision of it is illegal and unenforceable in _any_ jurisdiction, and it would be unreasonable for the whole contract to become void because of that. < 1374061392 851700 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374062077 752699 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374062439 656833 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374063571 963015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Otherwise identical twins who are Introvert and Extrovert must be kept separate and never allowed to come into physical contact." <-- oh so that's what's up with elliott and Taneb < 1374063600 901246 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be < 1374063886 701993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes so much sense now < 1374063980 925430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel that this thing that came up when i googled something from that article may also be relevant to this channel http://www.gadflyonline.com/10-29-01/comm-introverts.html < 1374064028 756078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has finns _and_ introverts. wait, i'm being redundant.) < 1374064974 353636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also jews. < 1374065030 707231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish jews. < 1374065097 141548 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish Jews in the USA < 1374065142 386014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes think I don't fit into the boxes with regards to the vertiness < 1374065157 843956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I realise I'm really extroverted, I just don't get invited to stuff < 1374065570 152751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1374065808 628234 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I nap when I am bored < 1374066013 807461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374066035 548650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good humid morning! < 1374066069 667219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1374066104 939492 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humidity in Hexham was over 50% this morning < 1374066389 736667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374066493 760919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374066839 731256 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374066926 945882 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374067011 332464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's only up to 74% this morning. it's going to get worse until the thunderstorms. < 1374067114 934619 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374067197 219988 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1374067353 618300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can spot who bicycle in the morning very easily. < 1374067452 353597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to Bike  < 1374067932 29538 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION particles to Fiora < 1374068232 238423 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quarks to boily < 1374068253 415004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION interacts weakly with boily  < 1374068288 93851 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION observes it all < 1374068361 994973 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo... everything changed now you observed :-( < 1374068664 372206 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374069066 757301 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that hypertrain video featured on boingboing some time ago (http://vimeo.com/68546202). the tune got stuck in my head, and yesteray I learned that you can jamendo the album: http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a98191/solar-storm < 1374069082 375038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (901) < 1374069084 522483 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (901): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1374069142 371525 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :901? < 1374069440 178673 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it appears as though I am buying shaving supplies by just choosing the first item listed in an Amazon search for it < 1374069451 699921 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :whynot < 1374069466 80849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'racenotes. < 1374069473 872011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wynaut is a pokemon < 1374069503 392541 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good `olist < 1374069511 744495 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (555) < 1374069513 799906 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (555): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1374069518 640080 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write wynaut, but I figured that would be obvious < 1374069547 855358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Hmm? < 1374069553 776470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, don't they usually have shaving supplies in super markets? < 1374069564 415479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people shave < 1374069579 333564 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Gracenotes is stockpiling < 1374069588 524481 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I am trying to get fancy shaving supplies < 1374069596 416343 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The supermarkets are already empty of shaving equipment around there < 1374069601 516194 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a badger brush and stuff. poor badgers. < 1374069609 395708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Does Jesus? < 1374069611 456158 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am intrigued by the number. < 1374069622 22344 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes used Stockpile! < 1374069628 100472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes stockpiled 1. < 1374069632 435796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0901.html < 1374069638 176621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno, haven't asked him < 1374069656 590903 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, right. I had forgot about the ootsness of the olist. < 1374069685 514359 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's kind of a triple of paraphernelia: brush, mug, and soap < 1374069742 700720 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me, I kinda need a shave right now < 1374069803 563083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: You should get non-badger things. < 1374069840 744912 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. It is a bit weird. < 1374069853 954922 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do wear wool, though. < 1374070089 771963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on the electric side of the Shave. /r/wicked_edge is very tempting, and I bought a kit for my dad's birthday last week. < 1374070308 647887 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1374070356 701692 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say leather is a bit weirder than wool < 1374070579 884054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i went non-electric after my razor short circuited the other week < 1374070687 700905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because the local grocery shop, which i think is too small to be considered a supermarket, had non-electric ones. < 1374071197 998705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vatican offers 'time off purgatory' to followers of Pope Francis tweets < 1374071198 243042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papal court handling pardons for sins says contrite Catholics may win 'indulgences' by following World Youth Day on Twitter < 1374071217 431087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013, stupidest year yet < 1374071235 974048 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I dunno < 1374071245 223935 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 was pretty stupid < 1374071273 784402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're partying like it's 1517? < 1374071313 553575 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should rig an arduino to measure ambient stupidity, and put realtime graphs on the intarwebs. < 1374071554 312409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1374072866 533550 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't that catholic church stop threatening their adherents with purgatory not too long ago? as matter of doctrine, or something? < 1374072955 72679 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, we changed your minds" like < 1374073120 547407 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374073160 701936 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>implying religion isn't already at max stupidity to begin with < 1374073238 80029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for your contribution. < 1374073238 348885 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1374073318 84073 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that early christians didn't think that far enough ahead; they invented hell to convert people, but had no doctrinal basis for subjugating those who were already converted < 1374073387 465127 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like when an underground indie band signs with a major label... you lose that connection to your fans and end up threatening to torture them and send their dead relatives to hell < 1374073434 389163 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scott Pilgrim was a great movie < 1374075187 558186 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374076431 588443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374076636 647438 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374077102 810776 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374077439 46043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like catholicism still has purgatory. < 1374077464 201854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005: "Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven." < 1374077636 127160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it always has had, for a long time, I think. < 1374077951 435666 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1374078323 574757 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078345 526155 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1374078351 950040 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078360 875917 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078494 489462 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374078545 229879 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374078580 815598 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374078584 143028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they got rid of limbo but not purgatory < 1374080106 954543 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :limbo is not the same as purgatory? < 1374080182 191070 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1374080203 888810 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limbo is part of hell < 1374080766 757604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that you can get out of purgatory < 1374082588 682473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe any of that is sensible or necessary or even helpful. < 1374082678 306477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest greed is wanting an afterlife. < 1374082704 549596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, the biggest greed is wanting an afterlife and taking everything with you, but I am ignoring this for the sake of this purpose.) < 1374082953 310344 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374083549 297481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limbo is like Hell Lite where unbaptized people who didn't really do anything wrong go < 1374083552 513663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1374083577 747696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of Pascal's Wager? < 1374083641 976637 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374083661 202988 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374083676 408420 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest greed is wanting literally everything. < 1374083723 423785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/02/rokos-basilisk-wants-you.html < 1374083782 785390 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minkowski space: Virgin Galactic makes a ski resort for dwarf cattle < 1374083903 963508 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374084147 466154 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374084772 345930 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374084790 575487 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, that's the backwards causality thing? fucking hilarious drama there, imo < 1374084817 696913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, stross has a blog? :D < 1374084868 862427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what < 1374084870 741691 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's pretty good < 1374084904 247886 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of glad he can write about transhuman stuff and not be a "rationalist" dumbass < 1374084947 89764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why he says neural tube specifically. what about the poor jellyfish < 1374084951 573543 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sponges!! < 1374084954 327342 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rocks < 1374084962 111950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have his Redshirts epub somewhere, now I need to find my e-reader and charge it. < 1374084989 71759 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jellyfishes are food. sponges are food. I think rocks are food, but I'm not sure. < 1374085009 189713 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fish are food and they're chordates too. < 1374085050 964673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i brought up my Stross Rant in this channel < 1374085088 576790 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've heard < 1374085109 939001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so have you read any of his '20 minutes into the future'-type books < 1374085122 118821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spoilers plz < 1374085146 337474 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the one with socialist crustaceans count i read that one < 1374085159 569364 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :accelerando that's the title. < 1374085177 602720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i tried a couple and i stopped after like a chapter because he tends to set them in edinburgh and he insists on writing scottish accents phonetically for some reason < 1374085193 31530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ridiculous < 1374085203 796890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, you've mentioned that. < 1374085565 756678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1374085568 182168 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, stupid pun < 1374085588 476726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what Bike has against "rationalists" (there are many valid answers) < 1374085648 458468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, btw, how's P. E. Trudeau's existence going? < 1374085664 11501 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly being so far up their own rectums they make AI into a moralist wet dream and don't even work in the damn field. (also bayesianism ew) < 1374085669 947012 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it exists, I've been there < 1374085690 539288 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean have you read yudkosky. < 1374085699 525377 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, at all. < 1374085743 306468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the problem is, you're Ontarian. we need somebody uncanadian to objectively judge his existence. < 1374085880 70158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no really, I've been there < 1374085880 606850 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montr%C3%A9al%E2%80%93Pierre_Elliott_Trudeau_International_Airport < 1374085898 87707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about the airport. < 1374085942 183408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it exists. a very nice airport, I must say. and you have Montréal surrounding it! < 1374085957 335390 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a shame that they changed its name from Dorval to PET. < 1374086002 39175 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also seen progeny of Trudea < 1374086006 915250 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Trudeau < 1374086008 300214 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person < 1374086037 282660 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :been within three feet of his spawn < 1374086040 500271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure they were progeny? < 1374086046 135694 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374086050 903700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely. < 1374086068 573601 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk conveniently shared < 1374086073 935716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :his spawn was in a hurry < 1374086079 66590 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he was some celebrity or something < 1374086339 598325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with bayesians < 1374086428 651457 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nothing, really, if you're not crazy like yudkowsky, but i'm more sympathetic to frequentism. < 1374086498 571706 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/606.html < 1374086578 915340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example) < 1374086814 477568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The theme here is to construct some simple yet pointed examples where Bayesian inference goes wrong" < 1374086821 360234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can do the same for frequentist statistics? < 1374086844 567707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of absurd that people are expected to pick an ideological side between bayesian and frequentist and then apply that technique in 100% of cases < 1374086877 200771 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374086889 402236 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not expected really < 1374086902 146073 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in "cares about obscure epistemology issue" land < 1374086920 902354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think Pascal's wager isn't really very good, because the things it considers isn't important and doesn't really prove anything anyways. There is also the reverse (which I have seen called "Rachel's Wager", so I will call it that), but that isn't very good either. < 1374086935 802419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my high school stats class probability was defined bayesianly and then we went ahead and used entirely frequentist methods and nobody cared because it works and it's high school < 1374086963 854878 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindley's_paradox is still interesting though! < 1374087020 653290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's the reverse? < 1374087069 960561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That you will go to hell for acting stupid if you believe in God. < 1374087082 222665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1374087091 587255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer it, but I think both ways are no good. < 1374087169 311583 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's http://arxiv.org/abs/1006.3868 if you actually care i guess < 1374087173 637408 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a billion other papers on it < 1374087175 515941 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy~ < 1374087494 497488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: presumably "god loves atheists and hates believers, punishes appropriately, so you should not believe in him" < 1374087506 808761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is kinda more contradictory than pascal's wager though :P < 1374087512 1939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "this sentence is true" vs. "this sentence is false" < 1374088056 237278 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's contradictory about it < 1374088105 518843 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i misrepresented myself, i don't care so much about the philosophy stuff (though obviously i pay some attention), what really annoys me is when people think bayesian methods are how human reason works, which seems all kinds of implausible to me for unphilosophical reasons < 1374088112 570803 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just incoherent and cna't explain myself, woe < 1374088151 718985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there are other places in the world with exclamation marks in their names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westward_Ho! < 1374088229 988821 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nice etymology < 1374088958 695642 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374089301 341546 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1374089302 356547 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 171900Z 21016G21KT 15SM FEW045 FEW160 SCT240 33/24 A2998 RMK CU1AC1CI2 SLP152 DENSITY ALT 2000FT < 1374089376 973826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at apocalypse minus 5400 seconds. < 1374089392 254964 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1374089830 54026 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-201-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374090013 228868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do ya figure < 1374090099 641244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374090490 760977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily??? < 1374090512 996651 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, he meant me. sorry. < 1374090544 692041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I peeked at the TAF. +TSGRRA coming in at 5pm EDT (9pm UTC). < 1374090578 849118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a tsgrra < 1374090601 979720 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374090634 339630 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderstorm, hail, rain. the + means “holy fungot of doom”. < 1374090803 271194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :static PrototypeClassName__: [u8, ..21] = ['W' as u8, 'i' as u8, 'n' as u8, 'd' as u8, 'o' as u8, 'w' as u8, 'P' as u8, 'r' as u8, 'o' as u8, 'x' as u8, 'y' as u8, 'P' as u8, 'r' as u8, 'o' as u8, 't' as u8, 'o' as u8, 't' as u8, 'y' as u8, 'p' as u8, 'e' as u8, 0 as u8]; < 1374090807 331201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love generated code < 1374090825 315527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great working on open source because I am free to paste anything amusing at y'all < 1374090862 979610 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374090926 437979 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it do public static final void? < 1374090949 700274 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it = the generator) < 1374090976 277114 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wondered whether that's actually a human thing < 1374090987 483986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1374090997 9394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is Rust not Java < 1374091007 761946 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: for a second i thought that was bytecode. < 1374091013 734596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1374091016 219418 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't have public? < 1374091022 941678 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or static? < 1374091024 833630 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or final? < 1374091025 641718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having built-in code generator to a programming language would be useful things to have. Including both preprocessors and postprocessors. < 1374091029 428384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have 'pub', but I'm still not sure what you're getting at < 1374091032 114926 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the ..21, the length? < 1374091034 263295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374091042 306154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust syntax is like c++ except all the words are shorter < 1374091046 374750 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1374091047 18375 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "WindowProxyPrototype\0" < 1374091047 712563 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21 < 1374091062 474922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is generated from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_IDL < 1374091071 925584 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the name of the class made me think java < 1374091085 714772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice that the Web platform is specified (partially) in a machine-readable format < 1374091130 606246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax of IDL files is fairly well documented in the ​Web IDL spec, but it is too formal to read, as Chromium project documentation states.[2] < 1374091148 32035 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1374091165 504581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is the citation < 1374091366 596751 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does rust do protected inheritance < 1374091422 952975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really do inheritance at all < 1374091426 172120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1374091441 578289 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1374091457 316374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's almost no subtyping either < 1374091458 154676 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it did static polymorphism though? < 1374091463 596469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1374091508 283952 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what determines whether you can have static polymorphism for a given object? < 1374091518 823963 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :interfaces? < 1374091530 398195 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is static polymorphism really a quality of "objects", i'm confused < 1374091576 545720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understan AnotherTest's question either < 1374091582 300728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm also trying to pay attention to something else < 1374091599 563641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are "traits", they are kind of like type classes or interfaces, you can implement them for data structures < 1374091608 749645 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if we're talking about the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_metaprogramming#Static_polymorphism < 1374091612 271834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also have data structures with type parameters < 1374091635 814028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any equivalent to CRTP in Rust................... < 1374091671 521722 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that would just be a way of achieving it < 1374091675 275917 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming parametric polymorphism < 1374091692 915147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah traits are resolved statically < 1374091706 411957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no subtyping, so no distinction between static and dynamic type < 1374091721 853345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exception being when you existentially quantify over a trait, which happens implicitly by using it as a type name < 1374091726 678947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is vtable-like, I think < 1374091740 663326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to get proper general existential quant < 1374091745 263182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1374091750 699442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc this language is kind of gross < 1374091754 761744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1374091756 906214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gonna argue with that < 1374091764 555075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not haskell, if you want haskell you will be disappointed < 1374091768 879230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does some things haskell can't < 1374091795 732113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting over here wanting haskell < 1374091800 750869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1374091810 485131 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: traits are kind of like mixins right? < 1374091814 26970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1374091821 38531 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just without the inheritance part < 1374091837 21010 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott you'll never work for Mozilla at this rate. < 1374091839 480645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like explaining language features by answering questions of the form "they're kind of like X right?" where X is something I haven't used < 1374091852 729302 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure if you're talking about mixins without inheritance you are not going to get any useful analogy at all < 1374091856 213554 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, rust seems a bit weird < 1374091865 105409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the c++ dude < 1374091868 227479 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like what does that even mean < 1374091869 30807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every language is a bit weird dood < 1374091879 702897 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have not claimed that C++ isn't ;) < 1374091882 26606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snobol is the one true language that isn't weird at all, hth. < 1374091894 278047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is very unusual though, almost no other language tries to give you precise control over allocation and be memory-safe at the same time < 1374091895 193233 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck snobol < 1374091896 480523 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOBOL (StriNg Oriented and symBOlic Language) is a series of computer programming languages developed between 1962 and 1967 at AT&T Bell Laboratories by David J. Farber, Ralph E. Griswold and Ivan P. Polonsky, culminating in SNOBOL4. < 1374091908 909115 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: inb4 std::unique_ptr < 1374091933 760074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unique_ptr is a clear inspiration for Rust`s ~ pointers but the C++ version is not statically safe in all cases < 1374091941 273438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++, known for its memory safety < 1374091956 648952 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know GC is optional in C++11? < 1374091964 740099 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: optional, so nothing really changed) < 1374091967 962608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I move out of a unique_ptr and then try to dereference it later in the same scope < 1374091969 838195 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1374091975 548627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust will give a compiler error in that situation < 1374091979 155531 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like GC is optional in C by some measure, isn't it < 1374092000 514876 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you move out of a unique ptr, does this mean you are a pointer? < 1374092007 667027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1374092048 791212 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand what you mean with "moving out of a unique_ptr" < 1374092064 580479 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean getting the underlying pointer? < 1374092077 467153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean calling a function with a unique_ptr argument, thereby transferring ownership to that function < 1374092087 735037 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no then you should use shared_ptr < 1374092097 227432 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't want to transfer ownership) < 1374092113 600731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i *do* want to transfer ownership, I just want the compiler to know that I've done so and complain later that I don't own the object anymore < 1374092120 680159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I mean by "unique_ptr is not memory safe" < 1374092123 99018 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, indeed < 1374092130 617058 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem < 1374092147 737563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what Rust can do, by building unique ownership into the language deeply < 1374092248 214217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can rust handle more complex ownership situations < 1374092255 224390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like someone having read-only access and someone else having rw-access simultaneously < 1374092261 206504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ish < 1374092262 279967 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suppose I want to transfer ownership based on some input, how would the compiler know what I'm doing? < 1374092273 432619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutability is tracked < 1374092297 36897 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really a compile time thingy or is it < 1374092300 521922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1374092308 535527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: good question, I think if you want to use an owned thing after an 'if', it has to be not moved out by either branch < 1374092313 896969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to other type things < 1374092341 215512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other major innovation in Rust is that you can "borrow" pointers to owned things (or GC'd things, or things on the stack) without transferring ownership < 1374092347 718381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these borrowings are also statically checked for safety < 1374092415 941808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one exception: when you borrow a pointer to a mutable GC'd box, it needs to be frozen dynamically < 1374092444 177283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't know statically who else has access to such a box < 1374092487 523480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you hand out a borrowed pointer to a mutable GC'd box, and later try to mutate it, that can fail at runtime < 1374092523 626670 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the compiler check for conditions that can never be met? < 1374092529 528430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1374092541 348323 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. if I have if(true) else transferOwnership(); other things here < 1374092556 95616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1374092562 856164 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual concern < 1374092570 958310 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe, I don't know yet < 1374092612 537361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure that rustc even does dead code elimination; mostly optimizations are handled by LLVM on the backend < 1374092622 52481 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say if the compiler can figure a condition is always met it should probably warn you... < 1374092641 856451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of warnings, e.g. it will warn you if you declare something mutable and then don't mutate it < 1374092668 271174 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, but for loops that's not always wanted < 1374092760 423841 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(true) { transferOwnership(); break;} is it ok to use the pointer now? < 1374092791 591273 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and even with if < 1374092795 919507 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how it would work < 1374092823 602322 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would not work < 1374092838 402509 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, you'd get a compile-time error) < 1374092843 280034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the fine points of the checker; obviously it has to be conservative (like basically any static analysis) < 1374092843 485549 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1374092887 533484 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that static analysis has false positives sometimes < 1374092905 823045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (proveRiemannHypothesis()) { transferOwnership(); } < 1374092940 252152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't expect the compiler to verify the riemann hypothesis in order to accept this code < 1374092955 204884 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't accept the code < 1374092956 7518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (collatzConjectureHasACycle()) < 1374092958 157143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can just reject the code even if it's actually safe < 1374092973 973696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is an important criticism of the approach < 1374092978 260956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that halts if the RH is true would be pretty interesting < 1374093020 579530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :halting if RH is false is a lot easier, right? < 1374093048 176680 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i thought this was like, the entire point of static analysis < 1374093049 250318 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't happen to have static if right? < 1374093052 466167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in TAPL's introduction, man. < 1374093074 673469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find that valid programs are rejected a lot *in practice* then that's a problem < 1374093080 232683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I doubt such a program exists beyond the obvious "any program that halts, assuming the RH is true") < 1374093080 438820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1374093098 356158 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374093121 600652 :elliott!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest41525 < 1374093127 346996 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, if you had templates for example, this could become a problem < 1374093146 193475 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you'll have a lot of situations where code will always be true or false < 1374093147 266509 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest41525: what sense of "exists" you talkin < 1374093148 878799 :Guest41525!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1374093152 100506 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1374093152 368150 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conditions < 1374093155 144872 :elliott_!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374093171 365024 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, no templates, no worries < 1374093174 620400 :elliott_!elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1374093184 82209 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1374093186 2911 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what sense of "exists" you talking ELLIOTT YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU BETTER READ THE LOGS < 1374093191 995597 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1374093199 433363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1374093201 843142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: there is polymorphism, it's implemented like templates < 1374093209 854464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps elliott like an old CRT TV that has circuit problems and gets bad signal < 1374093230 622626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think you can get away with writing a polymorphic function which fails the ownership checks and then only instantiating it on things which, when constant folded, happen to be safe < 1374093245 378506 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I mean when you start comparing types < 1374093245 646294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be really interested to see a practical example of something like that < 1374093253 373014 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. type traits < 1374093258 264402 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and static if of course < 1374093273 624207 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this could be achieved with std::enable_if < 1374093301 995858 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, C++ doesn't do this, and I don't think it would ever be possible to add that to the current language < 1374093325 354095 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'll see what I can come up with < 1374093337 912970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what are you trying to do? < 1374093349 15098 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something stupid in C++? < 1374093354 914059 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1374093488 437946 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: suppose you had a list of types and you wanted to pass ownership of a pointer to only a sublist of those types < 1374093529 296309 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even to all of them < 1374093580 413916 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, depending on what types someone puts in the list, the compiler might have to complain or not < 1374093603 885632 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you can have lists of types in rust so there's no real problem < 1374093620 779154 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374093625 959209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure to what degree you can do the crazy C++ template tricks < 1374093633 77966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust does have an actual macro system, too < 1374093637 676770 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how actual < 1374093660 520139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know much about it, http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/tutorial-macros.html < 1374093690 170522 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first apocalyptic drops. it's starting. < 1374094286 660096 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: *blub* < 1374094295 388501 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374094526 720138 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374097176 225407 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374097201 580213 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374097278 217839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374097306 413457 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374097396 558170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374097918 427601 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374098198 350894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it feasible to give a linux VM read access to an ext4 partition so it can read it (the host OS cannot) < 1374098211 394317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more convenient than using a live cd < 1374098306 90602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374098327 446599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1374098338 941524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of scary giving a VM direct access to the disk like that < 1374098345 968150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels good man < 1374098353 875505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can virtualbox do it < 1374098367 358385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I installed Windows to a spare partition, from a VM in this manner < 1374098371 919965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then rebooted into it < 1374098375 771150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work tho.............. < 1374098381 197866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know < 1374098385 797109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu / kvm can < 1374098407 404258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I could run qemu/kvm I could read ext4 partitions too :P < 1374098415 2916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty common in the Enterprise to have your VMs on actual partitions or LVM LVs instead of files < 1374098418 11740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that's the issue < 1374098425 28688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your host is Windows? < 1374098429 356260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a read-only ext driver for Windows < 1374098430 696394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X... so close enough < 1374098441 214901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that thing can only handle ext3 or whatever < 1374098442 281464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1374098450 110082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't mount ext4 as ext2/3? < 1374098455 208994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mount ext3 as ext2 < 1374098457 626225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think no if they use that superblock thing < 1374098462 794222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1374098464 133400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not superblock < 1374098465 850059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it called? < 1374098472 780249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt block < 1374098484 141793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe extents... < 1374098486 16949 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberblock? < 1374098496 6007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would scare me too much, but I don't think it exists for OS X < 1374098510 935965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe there is a paid one < 1374098522 744629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... FUSE < 1374098538 294976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly giving a VM access to my disk sounds much less scary than all this < 1374098568 886545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also dd your ext4 partition to a file and then give the VM access to that < 1374098582 216333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1374098586 146934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a hundred gigabytes though < 1374098587 755927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can find some userspace ext4-parsing tools < 1374098591 509398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually have enough space for that < 1374098594 192383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ext3 is partially forward compatible with ext4. That is, ext4 can be mounted as ext3 (using "ext3" as the filesystem type when mounting). However if the ext4 partition uses extents (a major new feature of ext4), then the ability to mount as ext3 is lost." < 1374098594 498505 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"victim-operated improvised explosive devices" < 1374098604 421060 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374098614 121721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: okay yeah, extents must be what I was thinking of then < 1374098636 732697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know if the partition uses them but I don't really want to bother finding out as opposed to just doing something that'll work regardless... < 1374098636 938740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay wikipedia) < 1374098648 293327 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, wp sez that's a booby trap, not a suicide bomb... < 1374098651 49731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked Wikipedia but didn't see that, go me < 1374098689 30880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ext4 - Linux filesystem (when the configuration enables extents — the default in Linux since version 2.6.23)." < 1374098699 947398 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... I guess probably it won't work then >_< < 1374098706 483164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's a landmine < 1374098728 40970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a suicide bomb the attacker would die but not really be a victim. < 1374098752 591393 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp also sez the pIRA was where the term was first applied so 'land mine' is probably too specific < 1374098774 915080 :itsy!~digital_w@7.49.113.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374098899 136116 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374098924 27495 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374099331 282381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horror-evading euphemistic terminology < 1374099386 593566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm needs something with an ironic acronym < 1374099391 453968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*people-to-pieces converter < 1374099412 448808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you trick someone into building a bomb < 1374099418 431687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by telling them it's something else < 1374099464 523649 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374099471 26493 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this came up because i was reading about some kid in syria making strides in cheap peoplekilling < 1374099473 771155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is easier, to trick someone to build a bomb if you tell them it is not a bomb, or to trick someone to build some thing that isn't a bomb if you tell them that it is a bomb? < 1374099474 37217 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather depressing < 1374099487 838578 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :made grenades for $3 < 1374100024 291258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to my calculations this season is supposed to be from 2000, yet no-one has a cell phone < 1374100095 434648 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tobtu.com/decryptocat.php "oops" again. < 1374100236 204684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : season of what? < 1374100394 309347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abu Yassin, a former network engineer who has emerged as one of Aleppo’s most prolific weapons manufacturers." this could be you, #esoteric < 1374100401 40129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what city is that where no-one has a cell phone? < 1374100505 560141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyongyang < 1374100523 55601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: geez, they are like, schizophrenic on exactly what kind of cryptography to use < 1374100539 601769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Pyongyang-A-Journey-North-Korea/dp/1897299214 is pretty cool < 1374100546 421871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people have cellphone in that city in 2000? < 1374100558 617812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is http://www.amazon.com/Jerusalem-Chronicles-Holy-Guy-Delisle/dp/1770460713/ref=sr_1_1 < 1374100567 325544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did something happen (beyond the last time that made the rounds, I can't tell if it changed?) < 1374100612 885625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't know it made rounds < 1374100683 836642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's updated as of the eleventh. < 1374100790 711724 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374100849 186015 :Poolala!cf069781@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.151.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1374100867 465134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this guy worked in a network outfit in beirut and only made $25k... < 1374100947 160725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purchasing power adjustment? < 1374101007 501685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i um, don't even know what that means. >_> < 1374101026 759545 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to adjust for cost of living differences or something? < 1374101033 499342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374101050 828383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1374101055 658908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1374101074 21061 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't know. < 1374101092 513927 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it "meant he lived well" < 1374101151 626529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :caltraaaaain to san francisco < 1374101194 496003 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When I ask about one odd-looking, 15-foot-long wooden trebuchet, which its proud creator is using to hurl 4-pound fragmentation bombs, he tells me he got the idea from the videogame Age of Empires. " < 1374101230 235109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels weird to think that I am part of an entire generation that grew up on age of empires 2 < 1374101249 487087 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1374101251 588112 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374101279 278975 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sitting here reading wired articles and another guy who played the same game decided to build trebuchets to blow things up. < 1374101299 448247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I've met all kinds of people who like all kinds of different things < 1374101319 107802 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I mention age of empires 2 < 1374101325 409896 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is like "oh that game!!!" and starts squeeing about it < 1374101330 621407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you going to bacat < 1374101330 891752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly we have a thing in common < 1374101347 445897 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After they use repeated test firings to determine the mortar’s range—usually around 2 kilometers—the rebels check Google Maps to pick a suitable spot that sits the same distance from their target. They transport the rocket there and then use a compass to aim it." christ < 1374101375 672420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that today < 1374101390 761854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374101405 816989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1374101424 592025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hecks, he tried building a robot... < 1374101495 669509 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374101501 334233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374101528 427985 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374101678 927826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating cheetos with chopsticks is so civilized < 1374101682 185754 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Client Quit < 1374101705 466597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheetos... with... chopsticks? < 1374101714 965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not sure i can be civilized hth < 1374101842 949965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah so the dust doesn't get on your hands < 1374101858 261986 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.... that's actually kind of brilliant O_O < 1374101898 870579 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374101904 271624 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not much of a cheetos guy but iv always eaten them with spoons or forks or something < 1374101910 471908 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn chopsticks < 1374101921 500517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chopsticks are pretty cool < 1374101938 484705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how asian chefs use giant chopsticks to manipulate the food they're cooking < 1374101974 564311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also factory workers applying bonding wires to integrated circuits http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2946 < 1374102151 226150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell. < 1374102235 652716 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374102246 155745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said this before but bunnie's blog is incredibly interesting < 1374102278 410164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chopsticks are pretty great for cheetos. < 1374102285 413515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=147 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1022 < 1374102297 781131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2269 < 1374102302 145702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"China: Crowdsourced Tax Enforcement" < 1374102370 214081 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374102409 724255 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes radio shack look pathetic < 1374102443 606070 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374102547 383507 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that microsd article is really interesting < 1374102557 331194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio shack doesn't need any help looking pathetic < 1374102710 226975 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374102829 215481 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net NICK :tertu < 1374103061 195984 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374103309 946159 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted < 1374103325 76449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are getting less pathetic, they have Arduinos and stuff now < 1374103653 36843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Guineas < 1374103736 612374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374104111 465294 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1374104791 569649 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374109013 260473 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1374109648 607020 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374109734 184433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374109810 92434 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374110130 654077 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374110215 204905 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374111623 891127 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.141.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374112573 34882 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374115284 285949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374115300 451715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374115333 64340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HexChat has taken to crashing for no reasons < 1374116589 935618 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1374116833 330571 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374116860 596008 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374117048 78800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheetos with chopstick seem like it could be good idea certainly. < 1374119083 593075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374119676 668703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374119712 373174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame HexChat < 1374119967 273196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what? < 1374120480 320355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374120564 231707 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374121690 712198 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374123176 466768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HexChat of Hexham. < 1374123614 182548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean what you blame them of? < 1374123718 142706 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374123744 179469 :tertu!~TeruFSX@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374123779 209060 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374123959 771346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the dictionary coder which is using a fixed dictionary? < 1374124691 366880 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374125565 327068 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374125741 419555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If using a static dictionary with overlapping strings, would it help to precompute some table involving the overlapping information? < 1374125807 443366 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what < 1374126631 118530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it not understandable? < 1374126671 983450 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is it you want to help. < 1374126739 135934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, maybe I am unclear. < 1374126747 286845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to help the encoding algorithm. < 1374126824 624095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I guess a simpler way, but maybe a slightless compression, would be to make the order of how long each one is and then search and replace starting with the longest entries. < 1374126861 645415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the specific case I am using it is Z-machine, so it isn't actually that simple, although that might be good enough. < 1374127074 11656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i too interpreted what Bike said as "help, what" < 1374127097 453705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, too < 1374127098 258888 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable < 1374127114 673329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, even i, can play dead < 1374127159 25757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The response is the same either way, as it turns out, it means what I wrote isn't understandable < 1374127172 733834 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/ this is kind of cool < 1374127177 25030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: somehow still finding sand in my shoe < 1374127182 382305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yeah < 1374127186 131979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or, rather, between my toes, when i put the shoe on < 1374127188 274285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still finding sand in my bed < 1374127198 764206 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you two go to the beach? < 1374127204 123751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1374127305 356107 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esandteric < 1374127327 83704 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: imagining a receptionist at the JPL whose job is to point very precisely at where the probe is. < 1374127378 532054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1374127429 666699 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 and a half light-hours, huh. wonder if we'll ever pass that. < 1374127501 613280 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like, the probe passes the record every second, doesn't it? < 1374127546 148984 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different probe, i meant :/ < 1374127558 59482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably New Horizons? < 1374127583 76748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's on an escape trajectory too < 1374127588 746570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think it'll be a bit slow < 1374127596 19181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought you meant whether humans will ever get that far from earth < 1374127598 500884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slower < 1374127614 82211 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess that's a question too < 1374127616 760214 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather farther off though < 1374127642 51484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one in particular is probably far :/ since there'd be no point in sending humans that far unless like, you're going to another star system < 1374127645 344173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If you do, try to make sure not to damage things too much in other solar systems and even in the stars themself < 1374127655 295344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1374127657 745874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would probably take too long to get there anyways. < 1374127658 14514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do < 1374127669 797643 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't play golf on proxima centauri < 1374127701 170076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the lore... right, the alpha centauri spaceship gets launched in 2060 < 1374127721 384883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1374127733 463374 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't alpha centauri also start after a global conflict nukes earth. < 1374127735 606386 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we like not do that < 1374127741 506608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374127749 47213 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... yeah. I think we shouldn't do that < 1374127774 754685 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's settled then, no biosphere destruction < 1374127785 399067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you should play golf on a star. < 1374127799 4009 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1374127807 994837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it won't work. < 1374127818 60958 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unimaginative. < 1374128446 720925 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the difference between the Oxford Idioms Dictionary (of English) and the Oxford Dictionary of English Idioms? < 1374128466 871375 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first is $25 with 10,000 idioms; the second is $15 with 6,000 < 1374128509 119590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is fiction. < 1374128639 416967 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the former sacrifices depth for quantity? < 1374128648 719988 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is meant partly for ESL purposes. < 1374128773 584739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (10000 / 25, 6000 / 15) < 1374128774 380539 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (400.0,400.0) < 1374128777 598010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1374128794 157502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well played, Oxford < 1374128802 504267 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1374128822 145357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the Oxford Dictionary of Euphemisms, but I don't know how many euphemisms is in it, and I can't remember how much it cost. < 1374128838 767165 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: at least rounding to 1-2 sigfigs < 1374128860 454235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says £8.99 RRP $14.95 USA $17.95 CAN in the back. < 1374128863 667086 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? those are both even divisions... < 1374128875 797857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxford dictionary of dysphemisms < 1374128876 333648 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean it's $24.99 or w/e < 1374128887 904168 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and not exactly 10000, etc. < 1374128895 182912 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is still coincidental... or is it < 1374128924 879584 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway important stuff: what does this channel think of the soliton model of action potentials!?? < 1374128934 58671 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374128956 632342 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking to generally improve my idiom fluency < 1374129010 551145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading Perlis again? < 1374129021 735819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Almost five thousand", in the newer edition. < 1374129029 281682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5000 / 15 < 1374129030 83229 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 333.3333333333333 < 1374129039 270768 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, not so much (and that's about proglang idioms anyway) < 1374129042 487066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get less euphemisms per dollar than you do idioms. < 1374129050 289484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: What, the Shakespeare bit? < 1374129055 377773 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374129079 79746 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although surely I've absorbed that into my ethos, as with all of the epigrams < 1374129093 212041 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you want a more direct motivation, watching talks given by SPJ. < 1374129102 590380 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are posted on YouTube < 1374129180 947656 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374129348 851339 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he use weird idioms? < 1374129380 935946 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very salient < 1374129395 592785 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :appropriately, i don't know what you mean < 1374129405 546385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM has defined some esoteric sorting algorithms, none of which are suitable for general purpose applications, and some of which don't even work at all. Some of them result in a different multiset of output than the input is. However, it seems some of them may have a use in some specialized applications. < 1374129533 157556 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no real way to become more proficient with communicating things precisely, but for me, I often find phrases on the tip of my tongue when trying to do so (and occasionally botch them) < 1374129555 291901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drinking scotch out of a mongodb mug again < 1374129610 311768 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :livin the dream < 1374129633 415754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening to Röyksopp < 1374129637 17508 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Considering that it is possible to procedurally create any string of binary digits and we can then translate that into letters, numbers, and any other given symbol that can be encoded, we can go create every possible string which would then reveal to us every possible statement/arrangement of symbols that might possibly be factual." < 1374129649 498460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::bonghit noises: < 1374129669 40634 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do companies have some weird compulsion to give out mugs/shirts/stickers/etc in the bay area? < 1374129682 444357 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is how you market to developers? < 1374129683 551532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cheap way to advertise < 1374129689 524130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just a bay area thing < 1374129734 816988 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but there is a strong third factor that causes companies to be here and companies to do such adverting < 1374129739 112528 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they do that at every conference thing ever < 1374129768 108045 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact, as there are more sheep than people in new zealand, there are more google-branded pens than there are people in california < 1374129816 547795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Dropsort and Abacus Sort might sometimes have some uses if the program needs the data modified in such way. Abacus sort may be used in mechanical applications, I suppose. Maybe it is possible to use dropsort in mechanical applications too. Intelligent Design Sort is one that just assumes the data is already sorted and doesn't change it. It might be useful in some applications too! < 1374129819 763963 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might also be that I stopped paying attention to jobs at school right around when this kind of craze got into full swing < 1374129823 518286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you think about the fact that the invention of digital information processing happened at about the same time as the discovery that living things on Earth are based on digital information processing < 1374129842 640007 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't understand the premise o_o < 1374129872 479944 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :..digital? < 1374129879 774785 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :in organisms? < 1374129894 128355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, base 4 < 1374129894 394387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose any program that requires a sorted input and doesn't check may be considered a kind of "intelligent design sort". < 1374129914 378214 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA isn't really "digital" in the same way electromechanical computers are in any sense that is nontrivial < 1374129934 876116 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm not entirely sure about DNA being the whole story < 1374129935 143964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call it "discrete coding" or something < 1374129945 717894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly DNA is not the whole story about how living things work < 1374129964 541877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some really significant parallels < 1374129966 956176 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'whole story' in any meaningful information processing sense < 1374129993 177064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the fact that it's easy to make lossless copies of digital / discrete information < 1374130028 707633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the fact that portions of DNA code proteins that control DNA transcription and translation makes it more like a stored-program computer < 1374130038 472610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's a more indirect analogy, and was discovered later < 1374130138 635003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is RNA and various other things too, but DNA is some things. < 1374130156 592356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really argue with that < 1374130158 505579 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374130161 837196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone did manage to almost make a "Hello World" program with DNA. < 1374130163 985377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1374130174 972089 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the discoveries seem to be more a result of increasingly rapidly improving technology in general, rather than academic confluence < 1374130195 240375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so < 1374130213 308216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The problem is it uses Q instead of O. The DNA which encodes O is usually a stop code; I do not know in what circumstances it isn't, or how to make it do such a thing) < 1374130258 997022 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more interesting is the CNS, which is a bit analog. < 1374130271 940277 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374130284 274322 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374130294 194363 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coevolution of proteins and DNA/RNA is incredibly interesting, though < 1374130299 668539 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid computer. basically i'd say computers and genetics are only both based on "digital information processing" if you stretch that term into uselessness < 1374130305 902466 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usefulness. < 1374130313 76572 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need that dictionary gracenotes < 1374130333 452155 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use... I... it would suck that's what i mean < 1374130340 503990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not processing but storage and reproduction at least < 1374130352 388894 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the bit about retroviruses < 1374130358 374897 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's important not to overstate what DNA does < 1374130383 612371 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a thing that is easy to transmit to offspring without much degradation < 1374130389 620229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374130393 528213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I've been saying... < 1374130404 559503 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :life has many, many aspects that aren't "digital" like DNA is < 1374130410 267268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1374130415 100052 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with heavy degradation, just not of the important bits < 1374130417 508011 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1374130427 194356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a thief of joy < 1374130447 67358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that where my joy went? < 1374130453 879673 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_oscillation which is neat < 1374130472 187454 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame kmc for not putting it in your favorite terms < 1374130484 39281 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing itself, not the wikipedia article which is kind of terrible, oops < 1374130511 559617 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make complexity classes for life < 1374130513 706038 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let me check the logs so i don't annoy kmc more < 1374130529 513733 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and clearly DNA is not the whole story about how living things work" whoopsie < 1374130560 960611 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so, lemme latch on to "also the fact that portions of DNA code proteins that control DNA transcription and translation makes it more like a stored-program computer" a bit < 1374130601 520730 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with this as i imagine you know is that beyond the central dogma, the expressed proteins don't really form a "program" per se < 1374130617 283226 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there's a reason turing back in the day expressed relations between enzymes with differential equations < 1374130664 111874 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's a stored program computer in that you have a fairly immutable "source" that is expressed into an active "program" but that's about where the analogy ends, you know? < 1374130671 345887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1374130700 88414 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you've got these things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_regulatory_network < 1374130715 252740 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i'm not really sure how you'd phrase in a programmy way, though it could be interesting to do so < 1374130727 657529 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an interesting hypothethical assignment, as well, something like 'Here, I want an enzyme that helps catalyze this reaction, I'll allow you 2 ATP; I want the DNA code on my desk tomorrow' < 1374130743 556987 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374130756 461625 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess to start with you'd have to design the protein < 1374130768 67024 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have to come up with an amino acid chain that folds into it < 1374130768 871057 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Also, inhibit it according to density of the product using pH' < 1374130775 607407 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably NP complete, if not impossible :< < 1374130792 803067 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's okay, I'll give you a few millenia; brute force it < 1374130800 76244 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1374130824 380001 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh as long as i'm on this that reminds me that i've been thinking of the CNS and stuff differently lately < 1374130824 621739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i read #haskell logz < 1374130841 353887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well getLine :: IO String contains a thunk that when evaluated reads characters of a line from standard input < 1374130847 996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in case you were missing out < 1374130847 536638 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best channel < 1374130849 685402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close yet so far < 1374130863 344581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey so did they fix the "non-allocating threads can't be preëmpted" bug in GHC yet < 1374130869 275621 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider evolution as a kind of generic, idiotic (in that it doesn't know anything about the problem space) optimizer, you can consider the CNS (and also adaptive immunity~) as specialized fairly generic optimizers that work on somatic time instead ok nobody cares. < 1374130871 151075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1374130871 418848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about this with some other Mozilla Research people today < 1374130884 932503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah that's a neat view < 1374130887 77041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust threads are coöperative, right? < 1374130895 422818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some of that in The Extended Phenotype < 1374130903 462547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes and they are only preëmpted at syscalls, I think < 1374130905 875308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the semantics or just the implementation? < 1374130909 893771 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are certain parts of the immune system that have hyperfast genetic mutation < 1374130910 161503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1374130912 899468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :concurrent haskell allows either, after all < 1374130915 581728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has explicit yield < 1374130920 403883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though no one really uses it?? < 1374130929 251346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semantics of Rust threads don't include shared mutable state, really < 1374130941 969827 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 9/10 times i've seen "thunk" in this channel it's been about getLine < 1374130946 27257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think I used explicit yield sometime < 1374130988 329252 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs thunk < 1374130990 205674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I was wondering about the virtues of a scheduler like GHC's, that knows about the HLL abstract machine state, vs. just running your HLL compiled code on top of a ISA level coroutines library < 1374130999 91707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. do you save STG registers or do you save x86 registers < 1374131000 162779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: who'da thunk it (stupid thunkz joke) < 1374131005 290870 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1374131008 544325 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: CNS is essentially a generalized learning architecture < 1374131012 32093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a compelling reason not to do the latter, other than it being a ton of work to switch? < 1374131020 647700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would solve the preëmption problem < 1374131024 397677 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28703 < 1374131038 750950 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is interesting. the more general it is, the more data it takes to learn, but the smarter it is. < 1374131048 773393 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: well, really you have to consider the peripheral nervous system too, i mean you can do conditioning in the "dumb" parts of the nervous system < 1374131053 332360 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also reflexes and all < 1374131078 44552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it solve the preëmption problem? < 1374131088 798091 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. there is, so to speak, specialized learning cortex < 1374131122 183337 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :much lower plasticity < 1374131123 254375 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people are good at learning weird things like how to play Guitar Hero and not other weird things like group theory, in general < 1374131126 738809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: best cult imo < 1374131134 815219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's easy enough for some watchdog to force a Haskell-evaluating thread to stop; the problem AIUI is that if you've stopped on some arbitrary instruction you can't recover the abstract machine state in order to context switch it < 1374131151 200053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that at allocations because allocations might garbage collect and the GC needs to know about roots anyway < 1374131183 278974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't really stop at arbitrary instructions anyway, can you? < 1374131186 972160 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :« oerjan: so I don't have to do the Haskellian "thunks stub themselves out with {return value;} upon evaluation"?» seeing half of this conversation is really weird < 1374131213 60429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: another OS thread can do it with ptrace(), or you use SIGALRM or something < 1374131223 509572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mid-thunk-update or something. At least it doesn't seem obvious that it's safe. < 1374131225 116019 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also sorry for being annoying >_> < 1374131228 62263 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to async exceptions happen? checked in some common code (like unknown function application, e.g.?) < 1374131231 20686 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1374131235 399976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i still <3 you < 1374131242 137205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is asyncc exception formed < 1374131253 129272 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :how thread get suspanded < 1374131255 847019 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel less than threed < 1374131286 726650 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374131310 773613 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, really, they need to do way instain throwTo, who kill her target, because target cannot frigth back < 1374131326 889964 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will stop while I am well behind. < 1374131353 652116 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1374131366 556988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :send pocky < 1374131383 897413 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find stupid internet stuff funny < 1374131423 755168 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :badger badger < 1374131445 590757 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: http://reddit.com/r/supershibe < 1374131453 167287 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with that damn dog < 1374131453 968051 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1374131499 715518 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/3UVbLfV.png me irl < 1374131539 418505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VKT21lx.png < 1374131568 29047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png is me < 1374131576 106446 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: is that like a line from something < 1374131597 388143 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it's in the snowclone-meme ether < 1374131602 215216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to do way instain" rings a bell < 1374131631 434467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from "how is babby formed" < 1374131683 696594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love snowclone-memes < 1374131684 808621 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have met shachaf irl and can confirm he looks like that < 1374131685 345799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1374131698 46921 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hasn't that been done before < 1374131713 971608 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: how does he do the transparency < 1374131721 887738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: yes "thats the point" < 1374131732 685913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: trade secret < 1374131743 444731 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is shachaf an apng < 1374131783 795706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ape-ng < 1374131787 278681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than y'all regular apes < 1374131865 491481 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/jY77iIKh.jpg < 1374131917 310040 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that comic sans with drop shadow < 1374131919 224697 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo beautiful < 1374132040 444696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with people claiming that things are great because they're vaguely similar to things named after category theory without actually understanding what they're talking about? < 1374132068 767283 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1374132079 598238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People on Internetwebsites. < 1374132084 424110 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how clear-looking C++ functors make my code look? < 1374132090 926989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should quit reading Internetwebsites. < 1374132123 389939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling Gracenotes was terribly bored during bacat today. < 1374132147 742810 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uh, assocation bias or something, isn't it < 1374132152 605151 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get tired for a bit of it, because of general sleep deprivation < 1374132170 676165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing bookexercises is admittedly not the most exciting thing... < 1374132174 689626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should've done some. < 1374132175 225853 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have gotten more out of it if did the exercises, though < 1374132180 315074 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this thing [category theory] is cool, so this other related thing [ProFunctorsX Enterprise Edition] is cool" < 1374132209 861844 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nobody understands what anybody is talking about ever, fyi < 1374132232 952899 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1374132322 500725 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I will be attending maybe ICFP, but perhaps rather just the Haskell bits, but maybe everything < 1374132377 295372 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will learn about the best profunctor to apply in my enterprise coding < 1374132383 729215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: You will? < 1374132405 26071 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on it, basically < 1374132410 120000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I attend? < 1374132426 874347 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1374132454 207350 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the list of projects here: http://www.systemsx.ch/projects/research-technology-and-development-projects/ they're practically all WhateverX < 1374132456 83105 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would enjoy it based on watching lots of Haskell talks on the internet primarily < 1374132469 506831 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PhosphoNetX < 1374132480 284009 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although enjoyment may be selection bias related < 1374132487 22519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does attending ICFP cost, anyway? < 1374132499 121055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a PDF. < 1374132508 58617 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this much http://regmaster3.com/2013conf/ICFP13/register.pdf < 1374132509 133080 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374132541 803000 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit... they have to rent out the space and provide free food to attendees < 1374132544 991025 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not actually free food < 1374132550 123932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cofree food < 1374132556 709638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that you pay for it) < 1374132565 820656 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that site has a typo in its search result < 1374132618 129975 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the inflation is because attendees don't pay for it out of pocket, but rather often by their institution. < 1374132621 346742 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they have one < 1374132665 767276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you email them and tell them your institution isn't paying for it and so they should give you a discount? < 1374132667 103989 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, usually only if they're presenting, for academics at least, or it's very obviously work-related < 1374132674 610043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. can your institution pay for it? < 1374132683 527929 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find an institution to pay for you < 1374132687 70692 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1374132717 190982 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can print out a name badge and wear it < 1374132735 827058 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1374132947 980118 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I really have no idea how this stuff works < 1374132955 784611 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hearsay < 1374134157 970183 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374134629 851214 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374135297 287219 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374137896 269321 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374142142 382716 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374142304 990138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1374142920 409136 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk QUIT :Changing host < 1374142920 655506 :ggherdov!uid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1374142920 655619 :ggherdov!uid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1374142920 655677 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krqrhkkvgfqiuopk JOIN :#esoteric < 1374143064 211167 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374143361 125170 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374144005 672246 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374144185 664986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374145663 926278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : well played, Oxford <-- are you saying they get paid by number of words? < 1374145896 753897 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374145913 434068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask kmc drinking scotch out of a mongodb mug again <-- is it a humongous mug twh < 1374146165 433952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1374146170 221970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask kmc drinking scotch out of a mongodb mug again <-- is it a humongous mug twh < 1374146170 427463 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374146398 372326 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1374146627 885245 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374146761 370320 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374146761 639694 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1374146761 845679 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1374146921 964897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a WEBSCALE mug. < 1374146939 942026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1374148227 234941 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374149229 348273 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374150796 421168 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374151631 423935 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374152669 710760 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-252-250.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374153612 848048 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374154564 436163 :tertu!~tertu@h66-173-127-171.mntimn.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374155966 475789 :`0x00!x@0x00.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1374155994 532012 :`0x00!x@0x00.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks ion up the face for no particular reason < 1374156710 982393 :tertu!~tertu@h66-173-127-171.mntimn.dedicated.static.tds.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374157161 989786 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374158459 30581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1374159526 96102 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374159637 428442 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374160477 33235 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374160870 306005 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374160912 503559 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374161243 767876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374161488 174022 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374161703 346441 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374163884 182666 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374163942 159798 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374164523 749606 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1374164643 18629 :nooodl!~nooodl@12.100-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1374165089 142947 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." sounds like it's trying to be funny... I wonder how that's funny < 1374165098 238343 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: apt-get moo < 1374165129 566065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software)#Easter_egg I think ? < 1374165140 352789 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also last line of apt-get help < 1374165141 487059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ols-ner moo < 1374165171 662894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha-haf moo < 1374165358 857302 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374165369 121939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there it is... and now that I think about it, I never did figure out what the difference between apt-get and aptitude is < 1374165514 446034 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude is another interface basically < 1374165523 771036 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :different features and dependency resolution < 1374166610 353021 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1ijr21/til_when_coming_to_power_in_january_1933_the_nazi/cb58ov6 < 1374166614 857758 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... reddit < 1374166653 790360 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pity it wasn't in /r/bitcoin, it's a perfect MEANWHILE IN) < 1374166734 710910 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in 1933 < 1374166950 806646 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374168302 840105 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374170683 211990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fact: Any sentence starting with "Fact:" is probably bogus < 1374170704 350384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan no, ordinary size < 1374170704 618589 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374170741 848170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 < 1374170788 254107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1374170835 895082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1374170858 871134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: crush. Qed. < 1374170893 221153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is shachaf never going to give the second line again < 1374170904 105423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1374170908 933043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line is for you to give < 1374171068 397232 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374171174 808181 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374171329 648082 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374171837 154282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, indeed, quite "fun" that the factorial of 0 is 1. < 1374171856 190547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie doesn't know the second line? < 1374171858 867813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we need the second line. < 1374171863 149941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Go for it. < 1374171866 745743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1374171871 268272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the second line. < 1374171873 456939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "fun" is SML for a function definition. < 1374171876 559108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shachaf.*fact.*= < 1374171885 519333 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-27.txt:00:19:48: | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1374171893 372350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was thinking it'd be something like that. < 1374171893 679186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks HackEgo < 1374171895 6108 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEgo. ThackEgo. < 1374171901 36428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/pl/ctm_aml_01.html < 1374171915 581931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot the ; < 1374171931 704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's because I don't know SML. < 1374171932 343843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess it's actually a separator, not a terminato < 1374171933 147494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1374171935 176499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second line was your job. < 1374172144 931703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have some ideas about a alternate syntax for 6502 assembly codes? I have had the idea too, but I wasn't complete. < 1374172148 981412 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.242.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374173031 39851 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374173589 245097 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374173897 496699 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374174252 950854 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1374174269 723705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The controls I prefer on a PC platform game is left and right shift keys to move, space bar to jump, and ZXCVBNM,./ to shoot. This is a bit unusual, but it is what I prefer. Do you have preferences about it? < 1374174892 619122 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374174931 109337 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374175104 269027 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasd 4 lyfe < 1374175157 337736 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374175455 282647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of shooting keys < 1374175460 909823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they all shoot the same thing < 1374175475 801151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you running around holding 9 different guns < 1374175582 16008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I am < 1374175594 137400 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the american way. < 1374175595 597451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374175969 307528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc I sense a great lost opportunity < 1374175969 575321 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374176151 496864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1374176925 825143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I am really bad at watching sad movies < 1374176930 560782 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crying my eyes out at Batman < 1374176952 888370 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the point < 1374176956 650616 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of sad movies < 1374176967 568613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like *good* at watching them? < 1374176979 102585 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like crying at movies at least, it'd be less fun if I didn't < 1374177001 607382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They all do the same thing. < 1374177042 744058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo crying is good but crying at movies is bad because the manipulation etc. is usually so obvious < 1374177047 837674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by bad i mean i don't like it so much < 1374177051 91526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pharaoh's Tomb and Arctic Adventure use a superset of these keys; the arrows keys can also be used to move and the F key also shoots. In addition, it can be configured to use the CTRL and ALT keys to move left/right (you can switch which one is left and which is right). < 1374177074 55104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that reminds me, what's with restaurants and shops that play music < 1374177086 372674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here while you're waiting in line for a burger maybe you'd like to hear a song about extreme emotional trauma < 1374177096 780091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Bad is that you are crying and cannot listen to movie or other audience can. < 1374177172 492047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo crying at books is better than crying at movies #snobz < 1374177215 918330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Crying at books is bad too you might get the pages wet. < 1374177272 47187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you read ebooks < 1374177347 888499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you will get the display wet. < 1374177393 906753 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the display can take it! it's a manly display < 1374177413 544870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience women are at least as waterproof as men < 1374177443 513882 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :manly waterproofing < 1374177482 816010 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going around spraying people with buckets of water to judge relative waterproofness < 1374177670 288773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs37/i/2008/267/c/c/PLATYBELODON_by_Sk00tie.jpg < 1374177702 65890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1374177737 281439 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1374177957 498758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1374178117 335934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not when you have bulgarian cheese! < 1374178120 346725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or superpowers. < 1374178176 713898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so confusing shachaf < 1374178193 756002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what superpowers does bulgarian cheese man or woman have < 1374178320 451409 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374178513 269244 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374178966 501372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have an Internet connection that corrupts a lot of packets. < 1374178975 754674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I download things reasonably? < 1374178978 174627 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374178988 707522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a better internet connection, hth < 1374178993 309170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example I'm trying to apt-get this 0.5MB file. < 1374178997 981636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps failing. < 1374179004 7862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe BitTorrent over UDP < 1374179009 407686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one of the other UDP-based file transfer thingies < 1374179013 559367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't try to send the file in order < 1374179313 687885 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374179510 982797 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374179609 308958 :`0x00!x@0x00.me QUIT :Quit: like a gypsy an shit. blaQ_MAMBAR < 1374179806 736302 :raineys!~raineys@70-91-56-173-philadelphia-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374180554 765086 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.242.94 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374180623 439931 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Excess Flood < 1374180654 513262 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374181046 974614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: attn http://www.theonion.com/articles/fbi-offering-1-million-reward-for-any-information,33157/ < 1374181102 776135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :their real motivation must be trying to improve their subterfuge < 1374181112 40516 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, the who's really good at dishonesty? a cheetah < 1374181262 807511 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1374181963 924776 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374182664 234576 :intosh!~intosh@staticline41658.toya.net.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374182790 428199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mozilla/rust/blob/master/src/rt/rust_debug.h#L23-L27 < 1374182885 707668 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :signal(SIGTRAP, SIG_IGN) what does that do? isn't signal assigning a function pointer? < 1374182890 534655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is SIG_IGN a function? < 1374182920 483434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Special Value. < 1374182939 181501 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says... it should be ignored...? < 1374182947 509284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you raise a signal that should be ignored o_O < 1374182958 12257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should get ignored. < 1374182968 466067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tends to break in a debugger, though; that might be what it's about. < 1374182974 943190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also possibly under other circumstances?) < 1374183214 374358 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374183309 811904 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374183789 491275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my bio in CthulhuMUD any good? It seems like really strange compared to everything else. < 1374183808 821697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How should I know? I haven't seen it. < 1374183858 76583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JfRh < 1374183873 968373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JfRh < 1374183902 363151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/JfRh < 1374183923 489205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the line wrapping is no good in this file, for one thing. < 1374183932 85699 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this breakpoint doesn't seem very awesome < 1374183979 644585 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374183984 777722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What breakpoint? < 1374183998 227510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one kmc linked < 1374184007 938877 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374184052 31434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I make any spelling mistakes other than the one I have already corrected? < 1374184104 981654 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the male mi-go migo scientist"? < 1374184122 790348 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's with the comma in Gknqwvonqtunkznbcvjbaklsrgjhqpwetypqwrkzbxncv,bakdlgqweprthpahdskznxvkljqthw < 1374184123 896732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a breakpoint in VisualBoyAdvance with something like that you simply get a infinite loop < 1374184162 612853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The first three lines are typed by the computer; I asked why it says "the male mi-go migo scientist" with the word twice and inconsistent hyphenation; they don't know why either. < 1374184175 737033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think on the whole I enjoyed Batman Begins < 1374184183 13150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should remove the comma, I suppose, though. < 1374184266 829274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I cannot change the line that says "the male mi-go migo scientist". The reason it is repeated is because one is a profession, but I don't know why it is inconsistent. Probably it would improve if they fix it to add a flag to a profession that tells it to not be repeated. < 1374184271 444205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that isn't up to me. < 1374184280 657322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third line and below is the text I typed in. < 1374184288 455646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, below the third line. < 1374184295 301563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The third line is made by the computer.) < 1374184361 312042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gknqwvonqtunkznbcvjbaklsrgjhqpwetypqwrkzbxncv,bakdlgqweprthpahdskznxvkljqthw" looks like a spelling mistake to me. < 1374184389 645069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it is; the comma is wrong. < 1374184407 264295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the rest of it. < 1374184413 786063 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a proper noun! < 1374184431 818016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch < 1374184527 567309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It says "O no", but it means "Oh no". < 1374184533 233013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe "Oh, no". < 1374184584 283755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I put the comma in the wrong sentence? < 1374184600 10068 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means you used "O" which does not mean the same thing as "Oh" < 1374184611 436155 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i doubt you're trying to address No. < 1374184638 732259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O Bike < 1374184676 511668 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-129-102.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374184777 213431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I am trying to address Yes. < 1374184788 71919 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should put "O yes" < 1374184791 98958 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O Yes rather < 1374184812 984305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I am trying to address Yes; I said maybe I am. Actually I am not. < 1374184821 580020 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1374184834 973751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you sure got Bike. < 1374184841 575904 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.5787 http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.3960 < 1374184862 332175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora these look scary < 1374184894 212315 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary of the first: the r-process may occur in ejecta from neutron star collisions, depending on the masses of the stars, the impact, the equation of state, etc, and this will have a very measurable effect on the afterglow spectrum and can be detected < 1374184899 464198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second: we found one!1! < 1374184914 673533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything else good or no good about what I wrote? < 1374185027 60329 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an r-process < 1374185096 750272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapid neutron capture process, so like, when you have iron atoms in a supernova < 1374185110 546708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the supernova neutron flux causes atoms to capture many many many neutrons before they have a chance to decay < 1374185120 237845 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's just so many neutrons < 1374185120 773457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like an abb. for a random process. < 1374185124 100491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapid < 1374185149 432268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very irritating when you have a slow connection that web standard/browser/whatever says that you can't see the page until things have finished loading. < 1374185186 877447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that a page stays un-readable for minutes, but as soon as I, say, get disconnected, all the text show up immediately. It was there all along, but waiting for things to load. < 1374185193 531044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh, it's more than just that < 1374185196 482791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A