< 1375575250 207866 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375575250 444267 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1375575250 444427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1375575296 118635 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375575317 329861 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375575326 108418 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 NICK :nooodl < 1375575734 437491 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-181-81.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375579307 72170 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1375579449 897791 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375579612 17448 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1375580630 708644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375580921 438207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375580965 958755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I run Java 6 safely? < 1375581200 838775 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :douse your computer in formaldehyde and intone SAG BA, SAG BA < 1375581562 859638 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1375581617 732419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wear a condom < 1375581653 169879 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@home.pointlesstopology.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375581872 420096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any binaries of Infocom's Z-machine interpreters for version 5 games (Beyond Zork, Zork I SG, and some others)? < 1375581894 832849 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375581915 350582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375581920 281101 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest58302 < 1375581949 420141 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375581987 370945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome scorpo < 1375581989 900916 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08scorpo: Welc14ome to 03the i04nternation06al h02ub for e11s14ot05eric07 programmi03ng la13n08gua14ge design and deployment!02 For mor14e inf04ormati03on, 03chec06k out our wi10ki:05 http://esolang03s.org/04wiki/Ma07in_Page. 10(For the other ki08nd of esoterica, try 06#es11oteric on 06irc12.dal.net.) < 1375582007 980458 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello there < 1375583696 884765 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1375583935 764509 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375584218 587141 :Guest58302!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :CADD < 1375584729 347230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the interpreter. < 1375584759 306734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have the source-codes for the interpreters, so I know that there is a "/g" command-line option to override the name of the story file. < 1375585132 568463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found out that it does not work if you put a space after "/g"; you have to put it directly after without the space, as in "bzork /gstory.z5" < 1375585308 476352 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375586024 260183 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just like GCC. < 1375586317 205522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is that how it works? < 1375586635 63505 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375587945 824908 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375588274 700173 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375589893 817011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a list of made up Nethack conduct in ifMUD. Here is some: * No diagonal moves. * Never killed non-uniques. * You never examined your inventory. * You only fought by throwing food. * No destruction of boulders, walls, and statues. * Never pick up precious metals/gems items. * Never drop or throw any item. * Never kill more than one of any kind of creature. < 1375589948 917552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or there is one "Shakespeare challenge": Kill monsters only in the order to make up the text of Hamlet (case-insensitive; non-letters ignored). < 1375589974 88079 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone done that < 1375589984 429842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1375590007 259296 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1375590028 51848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a monster for every letter? < 1375590039 409326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Nethack, I think there is. < 1375590440 598817 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1375590445 528783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I" has none < 1375590474 38424 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lower case "i"s, though < 1375590475 98804 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need every case, tho < 1375590487 808179 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I" is pretty common in written texts, it turns out < 1375590493 948179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have said case-insensitive for these reason. < 1375590509 630620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's a problem: your first kill needs to be a w. good luck < 1375590532 268632 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's w? < 1375590560 418778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :worm < 1375590571 290720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :capital w is wraith < 1375590575 688110 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1375590586 588398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :purple worm is also p. ouch imo < 1375590595 615663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can win without killing a single monster. < 1375590601 579183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sure this is doable. < 1375590634 629523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you win if your companions also never kill anyone? (This also means you have to somehow stop them without killing them) < 1375590635 472688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're allowing pets, etc. then sure < 1375590665 449100 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: possibly, theoretically. in practice not a chance < 1375590671 680964 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then again, prove me wrong) < 1375590688 479864 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have to kill rodney or something < 1375590691 699116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if, you and your companions never kill any non-uniques; killing uniques is considered OK. Is this easier? < 1375590704 11669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no < 1375590705 272429 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :extinction is a huge problem < 1375590720 372491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can polyself into a nymph and steal < 1375590720 650368 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1375590721 634723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can get items you need by stealing them e.g. as a succubus < 1375590726 834245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :succubus is cooler < 1375590749 19831 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only ever gotten up to like dlevel 14 V_V < 1375590770 749236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in AceHack I once stole the Candelabrum from Vlad as a succubus and then beat him to death with it, that was pretty good < 1375590780 529110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw NetHack is bad & don't play it < 1375590780 733446 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well thats better than me, ive never played nethack < 1375590791 668426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think a candelabrum is overkill for vlad < 1375590793 728765 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #1 way to get monsters of a specific kind doesn't work if they're extinct, so you will find trying to kill millions of monsters in a specific order to be rather painful < 1375590797 199147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try a pillow < 1375590798 619749 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i don't play you, elliott < 1375590799 568909 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah that's almost a real weapon < 1375590814 921359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, I had like 30 HP. < 1375590819 732179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the succubus selfpoly. < 1375590828 979360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to cast healing like twenty times to not die to him. < 1375590849 459209 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you just die as a succubus and revert to full health? < 1375590861 320116 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favourite vladbane is a wand of wishing < 1375590863 639661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fun in that? < 1375590883 569910 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it to access just about any weapon, spell, or even combination of them that you could possibly want < 1375590895 178848 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so logically the correct way to employ this tool is to whack vlad with it < 1375590906 29224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Is it possible if you modify the game so there is no extinction (and instead makes it like ADOM where newly generated creature of the same kind has more levels, but your experience points are the same either way)? < 1375590912 772675 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of course < 1375590920 462108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if wishing is silver? < 1375590921 777588 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could even modify the game so that you were playing chessrogue instead < 1375590927 138274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does silver even do anything to vampires? < 1375590938 270974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if wishing is wood and you whack Vlad's heart with it? < 1375590949 680716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if silver, it's complete overkill < 1375590977 615969 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you peeps like < 1375590980 971536 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :play this stuff < 1375590990 522595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms-dos < 1375590992 485131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1375590998 4275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing NH isn't fun < 1375591005 780074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You should play NetHack even though it's kind of awful. < 1375591011 969966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, I suppose you could, but then you should play chessrogue instead. I mean variants of Nethack. < 1375591018 169175 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how do you get to the point of actually succeeding. < 1375591019 178831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do is stop playing and then reminisce about it instead, which ismuch more enjoyable < 1375591026 573399 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress? another game i have never played.. < 1375591027 963567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it's easy < 1375591032 403296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just really dumb. < 1375591041 853515 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly recommend NH4 instead < 1375591050 344420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do plutonium wands give you radiation poisoning in this game? < 1375591051 550182 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then report bugs and stuff < 1375591053 595260 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have like two hundred dead scores before level 15, elliott < 1375591059 799761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more about memorising tricks than any kind of strategic or tactical skill < 1375591067 533082 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was afraid of that. < 1375591076 128121 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are other roguesss better about that < 1375591085 129498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all computer games are bad < 1375591089 790857 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this < 1375591094 19677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1375591095 241100 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the only other one i've played is, uh, i think Chocobo's Dungeon < 1375591095 527611 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not really < 1375591096 963646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, there are a few good ones. < 1375591098 889921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I retract that. < 1375591103 360690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, quite significantly; I recommend brogue < 1375591112 79379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :robotfindskitten: not bad < 1375591116 20465 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i mean was fun, but also chocobo. < 1375591117 618204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: although nethack is particularly bad < 1375591119 749416 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: couldnt agree more. < 1375591121 149275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sil is also good though I haven't played it as much as I should and crawl is also okay and very popular though imperfect and getting worse < 1375591145 325636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: part of the problem is that it has now been two decades since the last nethack release < 1375591149 292412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the game is solved through and through < 1375591162 562600 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok i know how creepy nethack people are, e.g. the above conversation < 1375591182 709936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but brogue is pretty good in that it is both accessible and also balanced enough to be interesting. < 1375591189 381523 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NH4 is the most mature project to fix that but it's very far off < 1375591198 315604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also games don't take five years < 1375591198 729431 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: come play with my +69 staff of penetration.. < 1375591205 443340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i greatly enjoy a large number of computer games. can they be bad and enjoyable also? < 1375591210 858922 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll look at brogue i guess. < 1375591213 718180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMULTANEOUSLY? < 1375591223 41419 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows something less pointless than nethack would be nice to play < 1375591232 203888 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my shitty-ass computer that can't handle textmode games < 1375591237 340419 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dwarf fortress? < 1375591247 201239 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really text mode < 1375591254 50375 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was? < 1375591254 907704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest flaw in NH design is that it both assumes you have no spoilers in a lot of places while also making spoilers /nearly/ mandatory elsewhere < 1375591255 903140 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'd just like, kill everybody. < 1375591261 229724 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, im not a gamer so idk.. < 1375591261 654139 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it uses opengl or something actually < 1375591269 419754 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not a terminal in any case < 1375591274 631203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run dwarf fortress in a terminal! < 1375591280 257825 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unspoiled ascensions have been heard of, but I wouldn't want to do on < 1375591281 520796 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one < 1375591281 731060 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow really < 1375591282 866039 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its text based, but then they added sprite packs to make it easier to play < 1375591283 281637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's usually not much point < 1375591285 439547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try any of the computer games I made? Some may be good (others may be not as good as the others). < 1375591286 143313 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like so- right. < 1375591292 450705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's exactly the same. < 1375591299 348011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you bother, usually < 1375591301 581412 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: id like too see < 1375591318 594136 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other obstacle to DF is that i have no idea how to get anywhere near starting < 1375591325 312786 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: lol, i was actually taking a look at your page on esoteric.org. wow you wrote alot of languages < 1375591331 332785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DF wiki has a nice guide < 1375591332 308388 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think last time i tried playing it stayed in worldgen for like three hours < 1375591333 781335 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and a lot of them are very interesting < 1375591337 530276 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i got bored < 1375591338 207015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a roguelike though... < 1375591343 779608 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know. < 1375591347 653209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has a roguelike (adventure mode) but it's no fun to play < 1375591350 374993 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of a killdorfslike, i'm given to understand < 1375591358 292635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: Yes, you can write also a comment on there, and/or other comment on here, whatever < 1375591360 907666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though everyone should see its combat menus at least once < 1375591376 610170 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like just reading about df which is a problem < 1375591389 267796 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the stories about dorfs carving pictures of burning elephants all over everything < 1375591389 830370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: If you want to try my game, what kind of computer/operating-systems do you have or can emulator? < 1375591394 350153 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very "postmodernist" < 1375591415 13311 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: linux < 1375591418 800485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Which game? < 1375591424 458178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Potion of Confusing? < 1375591453 761317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: Do you have any programs to emulate any other kinds of computers/operating systems? < 1375591457 882325 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, i just took a look again. i was most enamoured by twoducks and 2d-reverse. < 1375591460 939270 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah vbox < 1375591505 172904 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i kind of have a thing for multi-D langs. < 1375591531 495098 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but twoducks is just super cool < 1375591659 381464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: You can try http://zzo38computer.org/GAMES/cgacoll2.zip, cgacoll1.zip, cgacoll.zip, and 100level.zip, which are DOS; xnazzyball.zip, which is Windows; /zmachine/examples/solter.zip, which is Z-machine (an interpreter is at /zmachine/aimfiz.zip and should run on any computer with SDL); and /mzx1/potionconf/potion_of_confusing.zip which is a MegaZeux file. < 1375591692 583107 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: great, thanks! < 1375591763 261703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the Linux distribution, you may find MegaZeux in its package manager. You may also find a Z-machine interpreter, although most of them are buggy so try Aimfiz instead which I believe is far more accurate than other Z-machine interpreters (even Infocom's interpreters have bugs in them). < 1375591804 345801 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, installing megazeux < 1375591909 351610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also try /nes_program/hangman.zip for Famicom Hangman (you will need a NES/Famicom emulator); it is incomplete and not particularly good although it does have a time limit and a few other things. < 1375591935 41368 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool cool < 1375591981 137793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After installing MegaZeux, depending on the package, you might get a screen that says "Software Visions". If you do, you will need to push F3 and select the "Potion of Confusing" world file instead. < 1375592075 898727 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, kk < 1375592105 201409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You might not get that screen, though, depending on the package.) < 1375592219 764688 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems like all the packages are stale < 1375592265 967777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: That might be OK; the game might still work. < 1375592354 603278 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. seems not.. hmm < 1375592369 994505 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1375592422 358424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get an error message about the version? If not, then there is a different problem. You can ignore it for now and try a different game, if you prefer. (You can also try not using the package manager, and instead downloading MegaZeux from somewhere else.) < 1375592428 8660 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you think dosbox would do the trick? < 1375592440 503944 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, there is a compilation error < 1375592447 155994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: For running DOS programs, DOSBox would probably work. < 1375592456 604434 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, im getting a copy off the internet < 1375593147 164642 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375593208 2125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of these games are working for you now? < 1375593580 894205 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375593793 933148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you tried the other games. < 1375593902 726723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your D&D game should have monsters called ghostly sentinels < 1375593906 952541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://llvm.org/docs/ProgrammersManual.html#dss-ilist-sentinel < 1375593929 337141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, it doesn't, but thanks for telling me anyways. < 1375593948 46391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My D&D game contains what I have recorded. < 1375593998 836649 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :observation: playing intense piano actually causes the heat generation in my wrists to become noticeable to the touch < 1375594015 898654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1375594039 346221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What music did you play? < 1375594053 189826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it electric or acoustic piano? < 1375594060 739472 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the invincibility music from mario at full speed, the right hand specifically < 1375594080 642444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play blindfolded with a thick blanket over the keys and your hands upsidedown? < 1375594083 835483 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a digital piano, which has keys weighted to feel like an acoustic < 1375594084 545584 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1375594092 141404 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hard < 1375594099 233494 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not very quality < 1375594128 392006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that either, but apparently some people can. < 1375594176 13715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :after doing this for a bit, which is really a literal muscle exercise rather than teaching any particular skills, my right wrist was noticeably warmer than my left < 1375594189 985712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play the piano with both hands? < 1375594206 505845 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was only doing the right < 1375594211 385840 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the left hand is boring anyway) < 1375594234 126518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's why it is more noticeably warmer than your left. < 1375594277 74891 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course. I know why. I was just surprised as to the fact that it was noticeable < 1375594476 570116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play the music with the book or just by your mind? I always use the book or paper, even the music I write by myself, I will write it on a paper. < 1375594497 823631 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375594498 61015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know some things about music theory? < 1375594515 71634 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :book and yes < 1375594555 118326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever make up your own music? < 1375594564 492265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on rare occasion < 1375594614 141006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up symbols for cadences rather than writing out the entire words "perfect semi-closed" and so on. < 1375594658 27615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I showed the teacher and she liked it too, although it isn't standard (I suggested telling the Royal Conservatory, but I don't know how well such thing would work anyways). < 1375594696 766367 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem like a particularly useful notation < 1375594735 615801 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cadence is a sequence of chords, and we already have multiple notations for chords that are perfectly good at expressing cadences as well < 1375594759 322830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect (also called authentic) is "P", imperfect is "P" with a slash through it, plagal is "PL", and deceptive is "D" (there is no confusion with 500 because there is no such chords as 500). Closed is a circle around, semi-closed is a half-circle, and open is the plain letter. < 1375594795 157712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used a slightly different notation for chords, because of the difficulty of uppercase/lowercase in hand-written notations. (The teacher liked that too.) < 1375594875 823131 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical way of dealing with that is very straightforward: place serifs on capital Vs < 1375594878 842772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either the major/minor/augmented/dimished is implied, or if it is not implied, a symbol "+", "-", "x", or "o" is added to superscript. (In a major key it is usually implied.) < 1375594917 60019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I didn't know that was the typical way. < 1375594934 450298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually a "o" adds diminished, or a "ø" for a half-diminished (iirc) seventh < 1375594965 375603 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :augemented chords are rare enough that I don't recall the notation offhand < 1375594993 419735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I still used the "o" for diminished. The book I used uses "x" for augmented, and I use this too. (Some people use "+" for augmented, causing confusion.) < 1375595397 919898 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375595489 599019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you sometimes write any notations for any of these things, or only read? < 1375595777 394728 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375595801 512389 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest77387 < 1375595962 951203 :Guest77387!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :CADD < 1375596263 857834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I sometimes write < 1375596461 974378 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: its 23:06 here < 1375596501 68862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: Yes, I know now I was trying to see the connection I didn't get an auto reply for a long time < 1375596518 373107 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Complete the following steps. 1. If you are using Internet Explorer 6 or 7, upgrade to a newer version of Internet Explorer." thanks, school < 1375596532 88340 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, i accidentally dced. < 1375596547 476492 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1375596562 507305 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: reminds me of: http://youtu.be/9mXe9nRiPHI < 1375597314 46075 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375597412 202758 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375597412 435458 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1375597412 435613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1375597965 108003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/The_Order_of_the_Stick < 1375598376 871016 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Haskell < 1375598380 981185 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.wi27 < 1375598382 393226 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1375598484 16126 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375598529 119253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD.win++ < 1375598541 934942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic C++ fan club < 1375598572 271444 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist Jade, Dave, and the Mayor < 1375598574 870074 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist Jade, Dave, and the Mayor: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1375599030 960801 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does.... does Pharo seriously monkey-patch nil as part of its eval mechanism? < 1375599069 340192 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :purple monkey dishwasher < 1375599071 26928 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dish watcher < 1375599900 508744 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375599979 545843 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375600003 323326 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest90963 < 1375600018 540217 :Guest90963!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1375600040 12581 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375600091 262518 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :CADD < 1375600530 967270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1375600643 875982 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375600644 607347 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Changing host < 1375600644 847113 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1375601208 86516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: I have read some stuff in Uncyclopedia before. < 1375601230 713631 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mhm? < 1375601242 64101 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: its mildy humorous. < 1375601247 978394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1375601273 833096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play chess and/or any chess variants? < 1375601290 179122 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i used to be part of chess club < 1375601301 107211 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ive played quite a few chess variants < 1375601315 640165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you invented any chess variants? < 1375601318 658125 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big fan of the 3d chess, im currently undefeated in that variant. lol < 1375601320 592792 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no < 1375601324 81181 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? < 1375601340 478250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented many. < 1375601352 404049 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1375601368 425746 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessvariants.org/ < 1375601372 374177 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big fan of that site < 1375601380 501748 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im guessing you might have them on there? < 1375601399 443754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a TeX file for writing chess diagrams and moves including many chess variants too (although it can also be used with FIDE). < 1375601403 333882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do have them on there. < 1375601427 643052 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat, i would love to check them out < 1375601437 96170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: If you select "Advanced Search" from the "Games" menu, that form is also mine. < 1375601444 205816 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1375601459 958650 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't someone here write a game that was isomorphic to chess while seeming completely different? < 1375601467 7427 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i see your UN < 1375601475 254354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, I think I did. < 1375601490 685521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1375601513 319949 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 404 < 1375601518 903908 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1375601522 865207 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt copy it right < 1375601588 687000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these chess variants are partially (or entirely) made up by my brother, although most are mine. < 1375601626 752971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSchesswithcheck is one that myself and my brother both knew the rules to before we discussed them. < 1375601684 644187 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually just taking a look at that one < 1375601689 973517 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a nice and simple variant < 1375601700 765230 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules are almost obvious, lol < 1375601724 440230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up 123456 Chess [MS123456chess] due to a chess/checkers/backgammon portable set I got, so I invented a game using its pieces. < 1375601784 254244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess with Quantum Bishops [MSchesswithquant] has an unknown inventor; I was told about it by someone else who also doesn't know the inventor. < 1375601956 845283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made many others too. < 1375602170 734281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: Which of my computer games are working on your computer now? I also made this http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MLgiveawaychessp < 1375602200 432752 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: lol, i got totally distracted by my lisp interpreter im writing. < 1375602215 878450 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you say vau? < 1375602243 539084 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://klisp.org/ < 1375602247 83936 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: based on that < 1375602250 379527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you are writing a Lisp interpreter? In what programming language? Will you post it afterward? < 1375602260 827522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 'vau'? < 1375602261 673755 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yup, in haskell. sure. < 1375602266 230413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1375602271 667242 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://web.cs.wpi.edu/%7Ejshutt/kernel.html < 1375602276 185580 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should explain it < 1375602287 114743 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i <3 fexprs < 1375602299 166822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I can see $vau in the example. < 1375602315 162651 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm. its very cool < 1375602326 349317 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what he did was break up lambda into two funtions < 1375602329 3376 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vau and wrap < 1375602344 350009 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vau is kind of like a macro, it takes its arguments unevaluates < 1375602351 264847 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then wrap evaluates it < 1375602364 364030 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can implement lambda in terms of vau < 1375602496 556487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fexpr fan club < 1375602498 67503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1375602520 466292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 < 1375602522 420778 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1375602556 621905 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you checked out wat.js? < 1375602566 545306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1375602576 103458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with fexprs though < 1375602596 857543 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat uses fexprs < 1375602605 425969 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/manuel/wat-js < 1375602607 457906 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the lazy < 1375602644 259089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1375602649 309754 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a pretty lulzy implementation of a klisp-ish language < 1375603495 864062 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I have discovered a fact about a tv episode not on imdb < 1375603500 135050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a victory has occurred < 1375603645 897753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1375604554 256684 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1375604577 394205 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375604577 652800 :kallisti!~eris@c-98-230-133-110.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1375604577 652946 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1375605202 39135 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375605432 387492 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1375606250 998142 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wait http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/ is your blog? < 1375606254 764213 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i love your blog! < 1375606274 708648 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheeky name too! < 1375606468 505276 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (sorry, did a bit of internet stalking. lol) < 1375606795 140519 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375607066 410921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's me < 1375607070 388728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you like it < 1375607115 34015 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1375607736 896690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1375607991 407250 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375607998 435685 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1375608064 344214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375608412 837495 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375608682 86039 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375609453 719693 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1375609953 933047 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375612586 157900 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375613329 313833 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375613453 788501 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1375613470 909560 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375613914 241509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1375617813 138619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how forth lets you write begin/while/until/else/then and begin/while/while/repeat/then loops (and unlimited other combinations of those control words) < 1375617852 440520 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1375617940 472458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading http://www.taygeta.com/forth/dpansa3.htm#A.3.2.3.2 I almost understand how it works too < 1375618054 381754 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/11/from-monoids-to-monads.html < 1375618275 176396 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains < 1375618389 737522 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :> It'd be cool if this was a product in the usual categorical sense, but it isn't. < 1375618390 587947 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:14: parse error on input `if' < 1375618900 237538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1375619100 870570 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you replace product in the definition of monoid with 'very weak thing that's apparently sort of a of product' < 1375619135 398331 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more BS than when the introduced imaginary numbers < 1375619885 345691 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: if you like forth, you will probably love factor < 1375619899 525668 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: <3 dataflow combinators <3 < 1375620038 253659 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric : S_J: turing completeness relies on general recursion, which cannot be proven to halt (see: halting problem) < 1375620041 621000 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a canned response right? < 1375620047 100249 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he has a command that types it out for him < 1375620077 913717 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no effective method that can determine whether any IRC message is canned. < 1375620106 444121 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: Turing Test < 1375620196 827676 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 people in #haskell helped me with how does monad relate to monoid but everyone jumps in to help with 'y cant agda turing machine' < 1375620351 898204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this suggests that one of those questions is harder to answer than the other one, hth < 1375622270 910796 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375622579 530134 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375622858 388879 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375623083 941829 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375624093 206986 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1375625198 652903 :katla!~katla@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375625361 406453 :BlueShark!BlueShark@unaffiliated/blueshark JOIN :#esoteric < 1375626158 501153 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375627092 209987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(<$>)<$>(:)<*>((<$>((:[{- thor's mother -}])<$>))(=<<)<$>(*)<$>(*2))$1 < 1375627093 323485 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,... < 1375627167 30469 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375627451 175617 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1375627758 996078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigfpe's blog still gives me a virus warning, i see < 1375627972 250287 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gotta love windows.. :) < 1375628047 472504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well surely he shouldn't be having viruses on his website hth < 1375628071 423753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no idea whether the warning is true or not) < 1375628133 853115 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1375628192 8634 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah most anti-viri are very on the false-positive side < 1375628192 987107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's been there for years < 1375628198 14971 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a good reason < 1375628203 770012 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, idk < 1375628213 351616 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably not his site, just your anti-virus < 1375628227 986616 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sice i love that blog, and i dont think ive ever gotten anything from it < 1375628274 466456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i changed to a new computer recently, although i guess windows defender might descend from mse enough to have the same false hits < 1375628305 628163 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. yeah as a linux user i usually use preventative measures like noscript and et. al. < 1375628322 608669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't recall whether i got a virus warning with avg back when i was using that. < 1375628376 459124 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i remember avg serving me well when i used to run windows < 1375628404 664405 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i need to go to more sec cons, so i can get more free kaperski licenses.. :) < 1375628425 36944 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375628977 784253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(<$>)<$>(:)<*>((<$>((:[{- Jörð -}])<$>))(=<<)<$>(*)<$>(>>=)(+)($))$1 -- updated version, oerjan < 1375628979 231985 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,... < 1375629019 319074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do recall we discussed who was thor's mother last that came up < 1375629255 8157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the difference is Jörð and (>>=)(+)($) instead of (*2) < 1375630097 561489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm tup seems broken with distcc: < 1375630098 414766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :distcc[6466] (dcc_get_top_dir) Warning: HOME is not set; can't find distcc directory < 1375630104 906520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying < 1375630210 986284 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'export HOME' in your tupfile IIRC, I don't know if you can set it globally < 1375630231 419664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm bootstrapping tup on my rpi so this is superannoying < 1375630262 315226 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find -name Tupfile -exec sed -i '1i export Home' \; or whatever < 1375630338 409078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes with the {} added < 1375630341 480768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm nope < 1375630348 286726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not working < 1375630364 572938 :augur!~augur@71.57.182.133 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375630383 637576 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, dunno < 1375630400 230339 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-182-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375630412 503597 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length<$>(groupBy(/=).fix)show < 1375630416 378314 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1375630421 303853 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.136.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 20 $ length<$>(groupBy(/=).fix)show < 1375630422 717968 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,26... < 1375630966 867033 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, google is really not helpful at all :/ < 1375630986 845989 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Read the tup manpage, it's all there < 1375630998 364137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, why did I check google first < 1375631021 363866 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And post on tup-users if there's no way to configure it globally < 1375631028 136040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1375631069 652595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I suspect HOME has to be set to something on the fuse file system or such maybe < 1375631078 153570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that didn't work < 1375631105 224716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if it still said "HOME is not set" then it just didn't work at all < 1375631138 996067 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be able to access files outside its file system though, I think < 1375631158 589980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I do revert in git now again? As in revert a list of file names to a clean state for the working directory < 1375631166 195868 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'git status' tells you < 1375631267 883747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Laterally < 1375631333 522769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay so now I get this error instead: distcc[7746] (dcc_build_somewhere) Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead. Weird since I just checked with make in another project and that worked fine < 1375631355 490891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably missing another environment variable but it's not telling you which one < 1375631360 969490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1375631658 133174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does tup block sockets with some ld preload stuff or something? < 1375631684 719757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is making no sense < 1375631687 240697 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think tup does the ld preload stuff anymore, it replaced it with the fuse system < 1375631725 257706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I specifically get "gcc: error: whatever.c: operation not permitted" for all whatever.c as far as I can tell < 1375631767 480233 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1375631769 610755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1375631787 429456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1375631795 710118 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375632602 632632 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1375632616 877189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, checking with wireshark, looks like the connection is *sometimes* made under tup, but never sends the actual file data. Sometimes no connection is even made < 1375632632 525601 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1375632666 87693 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I guess I can't use tup yet, I need distcc when testing on the RPi, way to slow otherwise. < 1375633157 668566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah I tried with env -i setting only HOME and PATH, that works just fine to compile a test file < 1375633161 954109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is something else that breaks it < 1375633164 612622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1375633473 285426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1375634312 349850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375635393 324666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember once some computer game my brother made in MegaZeux had a room with a professor who, when you talked to them, said "Hello, I didn't see you there." and then "O no! I pushed the 'D' button! That makes the room explosive!" and then the professor dies and game over. (Actually pushing the 'D' key during the game has no function.) < 1375635907 394382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/BreenGrub < 1375635908 666406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooooooool < 1375636142 366764 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1375636172 181392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well will ARCFOUR work when you are modulo some other number (that isn't necessarily a power of two)? < 1375636194 532386 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is hl2, i wasn't sure < 1375636265 10873 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prelapsarian", nice word < 1375636390 17510 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was weird. < 1375636415 62245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear valve might be behind it (i haven't really looked into it) < 1375636483 224188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/MarcLaidlaw/status/334424382522941443 < 1375636492 233883 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty viral-market-y, but hints at the future existence of HL3, which is obviously impossible < 1375636497 861341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laidlaw is the writer of hl) < 1375636523 618731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like FreeCell, Solter Solitaire is a solitaire card game with no hidden information. < 1375636531 502681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, eh, i'm happy with it just being a little project he did to continue his story < 1375636553 80598 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's nice < 1375636569 989374 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of MINERVA < 1375636598 232437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eschatological secrets beyond even my reckoning" < 1375636637 749794 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if episode 3 had the minerva guy's level design < 1375636654 657780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valve < 1375636664 333462 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1375636665 614878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hired him right after he released minerva < 1375636675 679169 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1375638383 509864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375638639 859604 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't want to start an epic flaming napalm screaming fight, but the short version is your position is completely retarded" < 1375638789 773535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you answer this question? If the PC of one of your game(s) came to life and tried to kill you, how would they do it? < 1375638814 401788 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gunshot < 1375638856 159889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in what game, specifically? < 1375638913 860070 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one of my plot bunnies < 1375638923 711322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids: The Game < 1375638931 850158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is plot bunnies? < 1375638970 900958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is your brother similar to you? < 1375638982 656282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Similar to me in what way? < 1375638985 689891 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "plot bunny" is a kind of rabbit that lives in my basal ganglion and yells about urumqi. < 1375638990 23115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375638994 254727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And did you make a game called "Monoids: The Game"? < 1375639042 739958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know. Never met him. < 1375639048 190316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but maybe I should. < 1375639051 341161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone would love it. < 1375639053 681296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be so easy. < 1375639059 232276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't know the answer either. < 1375639074 591515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know the answer of my question. < 1375639165 801576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, making computer games in MegaZeux is one thing. < 1375639195 161252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, although both of us also use other systems (and he doesn't use MegaZeux anymore, actually). < 1375639225 4694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also make chess variants. < 1375639225 561798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, his games usually have graphics and my games usually don't have graphics. < 1375639238 921668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he make esoteric languages? < 1375639269 516972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART :#esoteric < 1375639270 993265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just one, called "QWERTY Keyboard Dotty Language". < 1375639274 640803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375639303 786485 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1375639397 944629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question about the PC of your games trying to kill you is from ifMUD; it is in the ifMUD library (you can walk there, or you can teleport there by typing 'library'). < 1375639419 233073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Has he ever been in here? < 1375639430 863621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think so. < 1375639452 962554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to telephone him to ask him just now, but it is busy. < 1375639585 72625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frumble grumble nothing ever works right. < 1375639590 967020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375639652 2982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed some new components, and now (a) an old HD does not appear when it's inside the box (even in a SATA port w/ cables that work for another disk), but works fine in an external USB case; and the machine won't boot an Ubuntu DVD but has no qualms about booting a Windows 8 DVD. < 1375639663 676976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I've disabled the Secure Boot thing.) < 1375639672 962519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375639716 543104 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1375639895 201899 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@home.pointlesstopology.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375639979 344621 :scorpo!46bc039e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.188.3.158 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1375640362 999728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason why growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso 'ing an Ubuntu image on a DVD+RW disc (in particular) would be unbootable? < 1375640366 478869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist doof < 1375640369 193013 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist doof: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1375640373 181953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like some sort of +RW extra-magic. < 1375640481 4031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it must be because it is +RW, but I don't know much about that. You have to use -R instead, I think. (I have a DVD recorder which won't play menus on +RW discs (I read the manual; I don't have any +RW discs); so this must be why.) < 1375640534 75999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'd boot from a USB stick so I could circumvent that requirement. < 1375640548 84827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try that. < 1375641585 215910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Well. It booted from the USB stick, displayed a boot menu, but the "try Ubuntu" option is not working very well. There's just a one-pixel wide pink line on the left edge of screen. < 1375641691 570375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's still doing something. Well, maybe my USB stick is just very slow. < 1375642956 350267 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-181-81.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375643032 931113 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1375643293 230905 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375643700 53533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1375643742 81549 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375643823 810806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone here to quickly translate something into Swedish? < 1375643848 801895 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How goes the [learning of the] Swedish [language]" < 1375644234 821956 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1375644268 253057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hur går svenskan?" (Disclaimer: a Finn speaking.) < 1375644477 202536 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough! < 1375645434 4748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375645509 325896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1375645528 945660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1375645664 364783 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375645675 106025 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375645806 425380 :Guest15597!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1375645853 939619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1375645881 745700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1375646012 5509 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In combinatory logic, is there a one-point basis which does not contain abstraction? The iota comabintor, "X", is a one-point basis defined as (\x.x S K), however both S and K are abstractions. < 1375646066 635596 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "abstraction", i'm unfamiliar < 1375646070 915706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is not < 1375646073 696403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a lambda < 1375646096 277227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (\x. ...) where ... doesn't contain any lambda abstractions itself. < 1375646105 406783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could allow (\x y. ...) if you're feeling generous < 1375646124 826506 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1375646234 267897 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, (\x y. ...) is acceptable if none of the arguments are applied to an abstraction, in the same way that S does not apply any of its 3 arguments to an abstraction (\xyz.xz(yz)). < 1375646269 696223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris__: sure. but (\x y. ...) is (\x. (\y. ...)) so you can argue about whether it contains an abstraction. < 1375646283 38182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there are formal definitions for and theorems about this and I just don't know them. too bad oerjan isn't here < 1375646340 166254 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right, it does contain an abstraction. I should rephrase my question to whether or not there is a one-point basis which does not apply any of its arguments to an abstraction. < 1375646378 817363 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing else to apply to, is there? < 1375646398 597004 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other arguments, just like S does. < 1375646475 756504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically (\x. x x S) or such wouldn't apply any of its arguments to an abstraction. but yes, it's clear what you mean :P < 1375646526 26871 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i see, you want a one-basis combinator where the text of the abstraction is only applications and references < 1375646540 317061 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is an abstraction, so, yeah < 1375646553 586906 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one of you will know if what I'm trying to do is even possible. I'm trying to construct a programming language based on combinatory logic which takes as input some expression containing only applications of a one-point combinator (e.g. X(X X)(X (X X))) and outputs the normal form of it. < 1375646586 737150 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this is possible with 2 combinators, S and K of course. But I'm trying to think of how to do it with just 1. < 1375646657 546921 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could use a language-based argument there somehow < 1375646674 47852 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by a language-based argument? < 1375646731 387417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some vague idea based on all wffs in this being completely described by a CFG, i dunno < 1375646747 578286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris__: look at iota/jot. < 1375646761 37517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://semarch.linguistics.fas.nyu.edu/barker/Iota/ < 1375646768 217735 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have, and I wrote an interpreter for Jot, haha. < 1375646773 597886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1375646830 917352 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you want no abstractions? < 1375646848 397535 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, iota is already applications+one combinator < 1375646873 797838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but there's something hacky to it. < 1375646885 788224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, S and K are "abstraction-free" in this sense. < 1375646897 637191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota "feels" like it's just bundling S and K without actually simplifying the bundle. < 1375646934 837543 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Iota and Jot output lambda expressions, not sequences of 1s and 0s. I'm looking for a language like Jot (input is a binary string) which outputs a binary string, not a lambda expression. < 1375646964 757493 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ways to encode lambda expressions into binary strings (e.g. de Bruijn indices), but that's not quite what I'm looking for. < 1375647023 819016 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining iota but with one combinator "c" (i'm so clever) with n arguments, and you want to say that the normal form of cx...x is just itself if there are less than n x's < 1375647042 618319 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for something like input: S, K, and parentheses (or `, the application operator), which gets reduced to another CL expression containing S, K, and parentheses, and the output is the binary encoding of that. < 1375647043 678947 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allows "initial" lambda abstraction but not, like, something else < 1375647141 748198 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in the same way that the normal form of (S x y) is (S x y). < 1375647145 778511 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1375647178 638190 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I need is a one-point combinator that has reduction rules which do not contain other combinators < 1375647256 189182 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that the input CL expression gets reduced to another CL expression in normal form, and both expressions contain 2 symbols. One would be the application operator, and the other would be the one-point combinator that I'm looking for. < 1375647294 68795 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SK is very close, but it uses 2 combinators instead of 1. < 1375647695 769374 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas? I tried coming up with the reduction rules for X which do not result in expressions containing S or K. For example, even though `X`X`XX reduces to K, I would leave the expression unreduced. However, ``XXX reduces to X, and that does not contain S or K so the reduced expression is written as X. < 1375647696 8754 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ii -> iSK -> SSKK -> SK(KK) normal form, right i got this straight in my head now < 1375647712 830872 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, correct < 1375647728 959917 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm slow, i apologize :p < 1375647759 239840 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries, I have spent many hours learning this myself < 1375647981 459635 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still thinking of this in language terms... the language of normal SK forms is unrestricted, i think? < 1375647996 859847 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does unrestricted mean? < 1375648066 120465 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unrestricted grammar. basically any machine that can recognize the language (distinguish it from badly formed formulas) would be turing < 1375648144 170655 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I believe so. Some SK expressions have no normal form, and are infinite loops essentially. < 1375648204 400872 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right. that means not having a normal form, not... right ok < 1375648417 154541 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitively, it seems like a language consisting of some one-point combinator + application operator should exist, but I haven't found such a thing anywhere. < 1375648454 21219 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the intuition work? < 1375648469 10844 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one-point combinators are always defined in terms of abstractions or other combinators. < 1375648490 232533 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess bitstring to bitstring functions are ill-behaved enough < 1375648496 581808 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liquid War seems like a great game marred by shit execution < 1375648505 521613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition is that you need abstractions inside for one combinator thingy < 1375648545 971543 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that the I combinator can be rewritten in terms of S and K, then S and K can be rewritten in terms of some X combinator. < 1375648568 211482 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty flimsy < 1375648575 281791 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what do you mean by ill-behaved? < 1375648596 762453 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially uncomputable < 1375648606 871348 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1375648652 801398 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want it to be uncomputable in a particular way though, since e.g. any tritstring starting with SII`SII has no normal form < 1375648667 281726 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where I is replaced with the SK definition obv) < 1375648705 431400 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, ```SII``SII has no normal form < 1375648752 323785 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any good alternatives to Liquid war> < 1375648756 932186 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's like having a function where having so-and-so low order trits in the input means derp uncomputable < 1375648768 381797 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or has the OSS community decided that since the project exists, there's no need to make a better one? < 1375648882 943119 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I don't think there is anything wrong with that < 1375648889 981913 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1375648891 102792 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1375648913 892744 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having those low-order trits means the expression is uncomputable < 1375648933 991933 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah sure. i'm sort of thinking to myself in three different formalisms at once because i'm stupid < 1375648947 532374 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, all right < 1375649004 252095 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could do with tritstrings, but it would be very cool to reduce it to bitstrings (without simply encoding trits to bits, like ` = 00, S = 01, and K = 10) < 1375649037 62880 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then what do you do with 11? It seems odd to have one undefined encoding < 1375649188 103307 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would something as stupid as taking a three-combinator basis instead work < 1375649227 603707 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, yes but a one-combinator basis would be better than either 2 or 3 < 1375649240 174048 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not "better", but "simpler" in my mind < 1375649267 304387 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean, if you had a three combinator basis you could encode it as a bitstring and get a 1-combinator thing out of that? i think? < 1375649295 232977 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I follow that < 1375649338 43214 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-combinator basis like SKI? Plus application ` is 4? So that 00 to 11 have meaning? < 1375649416 414921 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1375649478 384697 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375649501 845216 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, encode SKI` as a bitstring, then find a way to treat 0 and 1 as combinators < 1375649504 833573 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if that works. < 1375649558 173776 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCL? Iota/Jot? < 1375649569 43473 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll up < 1375649598 364110 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1375649600 134023 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe BCL < 1375649619 703772 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCL simply encodes lambda expressions, but individual 1s and 0s don't mean anything < 1375649641 821463 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and individual* < 1375649662 914549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: olsner: Also how about an #esoteric meetup at Alternative Party instead? It's smaller. (Also sillier.) < 1375649681 339545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what/when/where is that? < 1375649710 135331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's here in October 18th-to-20th. < 1375649711 614136 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be cool if each 1 and 0 was a combinator, and the output is the normal form < 1375649717 694176 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris__: what do you mean by "don't mean anything" < 1375649743 627425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's approximately zero information about this year's event, except that there'll be one. < 1375649760 674976 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in BLC, I believe abstraction is 00, application is 01, and an index n is 1^n0. A 0 by itself isn't any of those 3 things < 1375649797 89078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They stopped organizing it last year because they thought it was getting far too mainstream; instead, they focused on more alternative things; turns out, though, that if they're alternative enough, no-one's going to attend, and then you don't have anyone pay the bills.) < 1375649803 294119 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's this thing http://esolangs.org/wiki/Binary_combinatory_logic < 1375649815 784280 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty much encoded ski i guess < 1375649825 453150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alternative Party is one of the largest demo parties in Finland." according to wikipedia < 1375649853 284046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, what you're talking about there is just your interpretation, why can't there be another one? < 1375649858 340229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, that's not saying all that much; everything's that not Assembly is tiny compared to that. < 1375649871 509526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a proper (non-gaming) party, though. < 1375649907 656372 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah that is almost exactly what I'm looking for, but such that S and K are replaced by one combinator < 1375649930 222515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You can peruse the archive at http://ry.altparty.org/action/ -- you can scroll down a bit to find the 2002-2011 pages. < 1375650009 154116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (Though it's somewhat likely this year's event will be something rather different.) < 1375650012 915250 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris__: see, you're putting interpretations on it < 1375650037 785212 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I was thinking instead of SK`, use X`. The only thing I don't know is how to reduce expressions of the X combinator without introducing S and K. < 1375650066 715496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still sounds a bit scary!! < 1375650071 768237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if Bike there is to comfortingly kidnap me. < 1375650227 735076 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1375650464 490673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"finish=30756.4min" best initial raid-1 resync ever. (I'm doing a thing while it's running, and it only uses idle I/O.) < 1375650479 595471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are there pics < 1375650481 635661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: alternate party < 1375650527 33373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shared a pic I took somewhere. (I'm sure there are more official ones.) < 1375650593 732759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 days? pretty fast raid resync < 1375650610 126619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, where < 1375650618 635716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's back to 191.8min now. < 1375650627 364524 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's an estimate? < 1375650656 86657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's based on the current speed, and it only does 1000 KB/s when there's no idle I/O time. < 1375650666 889185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's doing 163938K/s now.) < 1375650683 373262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea where I put my altparty pic. < 1375650711 705106 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, resyncing a mirror should probably have a bit higher priority, you have limited time until the second disk in the mirror breaks < 1375650730 236561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1375650830 251336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, but it's the initial creation resync. < 1375650843 712024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (Admittedly I think it's the same defaults for a non-initial resync.) < 1375650883 156694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I, uh... I think this is from altparty http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/i-smoke.jpg but it's not all like that at all. < 1375650957 980652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/sunshine.jpg http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/sunshine2.jpg that's from there too. < 1375650971 501929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's not always that smoky.) < 1375651012 207257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like something from a sci-fi film < 1375651137 987267 :Chris__!403a0d6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.58.13.110 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1375651185 376081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's from 2010, and the theme that year was "Space: the forgotten frontier", so that's appropriate. < 1375651390 498745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My wife told me to tell you that she's been there (which is true) and it's not scary (which is allegedly also true). < 1375651401 376902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might not be terribly exciting, however.) < 1375652115 740368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is your wife particularly invested in me visiting altparty for some reason :P < 1375652130 990075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were you just like "HEY I'm talking about altparty in #esoteric do you have any INPUT" < 1375652268 741916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-182-82.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1375652434 308265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I mentioned olsner's Assembly-meetup suggestion as a part of my regular report of things happening, and she suggested I should suggest altparty instead. < 1375652437 309710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also perhaps she thinks it'd lessen the chances of having to go to Hexham? Who knows.) < 1375652625 312311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you informed her of the abject horrors of hexham < 1375652639 902243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's super cute that you tell your wife about #esoteric happenings < 1375653118 341418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've told her there's a fine cathedral at Hexham, because that's p. much the extent of my knowledge in the field of Hexhamology. < 1375653353 72919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um not sure abbeys count as cathedrals < 1375653368 22925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they do in finland < 1375653475 952435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hexham Abbey is in Category:Anglo-Saxon cathedrals, that's close enough for me. < 1375653536 300247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does your wife feel about trondheim < 1375653543 563321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two birds, one stone, etc. < 1375653577 324164 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://31.media.tumblr.com/52ffccf4adaeff692060308c70ea68d1/tumblr_mr10axwMKH1qklx3fo1_500.jpg < 1375653711 600931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We was in Svolvær/Nordland somewhat recently, I think that was enough Norway for a few years. < 1375653865 543849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather that bad huh? < 1375654148 874799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : presumably there are formal definitions for and theorems about this and I just don't know them. too bad oerjan isn't here <-- i'd expect tromp_ is the resident expert on this stuff < 1375654182 354912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he seems rather idle at the moment < 1375654189 584793 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott isn't an expert expert discriminator like shachaf can be < 1375654195 576319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1375654258 437036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have certainly _looked_ at one-point bases for combinators before, i cannot quite recall whether this is impossible though, although none of the examples in wikipedia is of the right type < 1375654318 380495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall seeing something more substantive than that. maybe it was tromp_'s paper. < 1375654340 653748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm certainly not bying access to that elsevier one) < 1375654345 596579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buying < 1375654353 805177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oerjan boycotting elsevier too :P < 1375654372 114398 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Initial creation resync and non-initial resyncs are effectively identical performance-wise. < 1375654375 354959 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1375654379 304160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i might boycott elsevier if i _ever_ bought articles online. < 1375654393 579610 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically how that's done is considering one drive to be 100% failed and resyncing that. < 1375654513 681212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They *could* easily have differently tweaked speed_limit_min/max parameters, though. < 1375654614 365047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would seem fair for people with phds to get lifetime access to this stuff... < 1375654634 754860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY < 1375654685 184231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The copy of 700G from an external should-be-USB3-but-turns-out-to-run-at-480M-probably-because-there-were-some-low-speed-devices-in-the-same-internal-hub is the main bottleneck here, though. (It's running at about 42MB/s.) < 1375654715 595665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you plugged it into a usb3 socket? < 1375654725 299724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It was blue. < 1375654761 168265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay < 1375654851 194983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And it's in one of the xhci ports. But I've vague recollections of something about SuperSpeed not being available if there are low-speed devices in the same branch of the tree. (And it wasn't really obvious how the ports are grouped.) < 1375654918 337329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375655088 390148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or possibly it's just broken in some other way.) < 1375655211 292788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISO I ended up booting with for these pre-installation operations (debian-7.10-netinst-amd64) also very nicely had an e1000e driver too old to support the onboard Intel NIC, so no SSH either. "Meh." < 1375655243 285924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1375655276 828567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest debian is too old? what a surprise < 1375655326 624166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that the Debian is "just fine" and it's just the hardware that's too new. < 1375655419 485669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1375655892 253083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I never think to worry about network card support, and now 2 out of the 2 last installs have had an "oh, no driver for the network chip?" surprise. < 1375655933 56593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know about EFI support in virtual machines < 1375655977 671226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I think it exists. < 1375655982 527916 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when that chris person was here before did they have the same number of underscores < 1375656062 827458 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was them from before, right < 1375656106 36854 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, it was "ChrisW" < 1375656162 317103 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot to mention the really obvious thing about prefix encoding. < 1375656208 737842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out there's just a billion chrisses who like the lambda calculus < 1375656273 847498 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally angry with rage here < 1375656305 257815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. that's quite a common effect of rage < 1375656322 855589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you aren't just enraged with anger? < 1375656471 928335 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway, he inspired me to write ski small step as an N -> N function and now i'm wondering about connections to dynamics. i need help < 1375656551 198837 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was /going/ to do something today, but i ended up just faffing about < 1375656647 398247 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Someone tell me the best way to get the number of digits of the base-b representation of a natural < 1375656659 60074 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log doesn't work so great because like, rounding error, maaaaan < 1375656792 633908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably estimate from the number of bits in the base-2 representation, and/or do a binary search to find the b^n <= your number < 1375656831 140251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like length . showIntAtBase perhaps < 1375656846 148572 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i'm doing right now. it's terrible and i hate it, imo < 1375656854 878509 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well throw together binary search < 1375656873 145723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use logBase on CReal! < 1375656878 160315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t logBase < 1375656878 998722 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a -> a < 1375656884 568590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 1234 :: CReal < 1375656885 678245 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10.2691266791494178878629061634710448236888 < 1375656887 869053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 1234 :: CReal < 1375656888 838757 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0913151596972228772592050619999463466528 < 1375656904 219982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if logBase for CReal is precise but it should be. < 1375656912 118913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just a matter of rounding. < 1375656916 188373 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's the O time" < 1375656935 198659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n -> ceiling (logBase 10 (abs n)) == length (show (abs n)) < 1375656938 818775 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1375656941 8114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n -> ceiling (logBase 10 (abs n)) == length (show (abs n)) < 1375656944 383155 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 1 test): < 1375656944 583607 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1375656948 518563 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1375656952 369078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \(n::Integer) -> ceiling (logBase 10 (abs n)) == length (show (abs n)) < 1375656952 569554 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : .hs: 1: 15:ScopedTypeVariables is not enabled < 1375656957 239952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1375656961 259055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t abs < 1375656961 988610 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a < 1375656980 28723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n -> ceiling (logBase 10 (fromInteger (abs n)) :: CReal) == length (show (abs n)) < 1375656983 809265 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0 tests)mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1375656986 608461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \n -> ceiling (logBase 10 (fromInteger (abs n)) :: CReal) == length (show (abs n)) < 1375656990 298634 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0 tests)mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1375656992 689493 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i <3 lambdabot < 1375656993 899149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1375657003 379446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run this bot and I have no idea how it ever works or breaks or anything < 1375657021 679385 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the binary search thing might do kind of a lot of allocation with bignums, hm < 1375657047 219232 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of wish i had generalizeder >> < 1375657083 678978 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's kind of ass to compute isn't it < 1375657101 139003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think that CReal solution is theoretically optimal? < 1375657111 917451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CReal? < 1375657116 69173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can get faster than length . show really, except for micro-optimisations < 1375657118 429467 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computable real < 1375657119 439166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: computable real < 1375657179 948843 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's showIntAtBase work? just repeated division i imagine < 1375657192 499201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :divmod ad infinitum < 1375657199 986449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can skip the mod part. < 1375657266 459208 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1375657298 879289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you'd end up with some extra work that could be avoidable if you only want the length < 1375657305 79059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the mod part < 1375657323 709641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let digits 0 = 0; digits n = 1 + digits (n `div` 10) in digits 1234 < 1375657324 939011 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1375657355 989764 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll try it with the largest b^n that fits in an immediate and laugh myself to sleep < 1375657379 824178 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :an immediate? < 1375657422 733481 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget haskell words. not a bignum < 1375657467 329858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: are there any fancy CPU tricks you can do to optimise (binary) digit counting? < 1375657480 479551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I guess the only real gains you'll get here are low level < 1375657492 809575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess counting up powers of 2 is asymptotically faster than repeated integer division? < 1375657494 689206 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's basically clz. < 1375657516 155620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was thinking for arbitrary size integers. but I guess it's repr-dependent < 1375657538 34823 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't most bignums keep a size? if so it's pretty easy < 1375657593 560604 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bignum is 372 64-bit words plus a head word with clz 19, so it has 23853 bits < 1375657605 150046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clz~ < 1375657609 350729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's boring, so let's say it doesn't keep a size. < 1375657620 640241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "one bit is 0 if it's the end and 1 if it's not" or whatever. < 1375657655 800209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has to keep track of like, memory allocation and stuff, right? < 1375657658 570309 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bignums < 1375657659 629762 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you just have to traverse them all then < 1375657661 622214 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo sucks. < 1375657686 779908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well, you could just malloc it and then the data you'd need to cheat is hidden in the libc, I guess < 1375657697 955461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mission: to make people's lives difficult < 1375657714 271448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd just clz them anyway or whatever. < 1375657718 380726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, not even that. < 1375657720 480868 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so i have my own instance of lambdabot going. so to get around the mueval time out by just adding -t 3000 on the mueval line in ./src/Lambdabot/Config/Core.hs. is that kosher? < 1375657721 741327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's boring < 1375657731 819988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clz is fun! < 1375657749 480371 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok new "exciting question" for elliott: find the digit count of a number, but the number is in modular residue format. < 1375657756 949738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :modular residue? < 1375657773 201116 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of storing the number you store it mod 2, mod 3, mod 5, mod 7 ad infinitium < 1375657787 830264 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1375657789 949943 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1375657807 880912 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i mean it worked, but is that the "proper" way to do it? < 1375657812 12095 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 17 is [1,2,2,3]. < 1375657869 730476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: that sounds like an old version of lambdabot. < 1375657887 460732 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i have 4.3? < 1375657895 350772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version < 1375657895 550936 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0 < 1375657895 754081 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone git://github.com/mokus0/lambdabot.git < 1375657897 890234 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1375657898 880619 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1375657905 890346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it sounds fine < 1375657914 660456 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, thanks! and thanks for the awesome bot! < 1375657932 770713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it, I just run it :P < 1375657939 330404 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: (this lets you represent any number up to the product of the modularssss by the chinese remainder theorem, aka the worst named theorem i can think of) < 1375657942 240735 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, either way! < 1375657957 935377 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oooh. that's sneaky < 1375657974 980441 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do multiplication and addition pretty easy since those commute with mod < 1375658450 502161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my control key keeps holding itself down < 1375658456 250809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1375658498 471608 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get for not answering my randomly posed questions < 1375659049 737913 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1375659310 582277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: help < 1375659343 702559 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1375659358 832606 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the problem sir and/or ma'am and/or other appropriate honorific < 1375659799 784064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert the number to radixal format hth < 1375660215 505801 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1375660360 665488 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1375660362 305732 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1375660411 805072 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1375660419 25122 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1375660421 344773 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1375660520 994769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.28.6593&rep=rep1&type=pdf hth < 1375660540 525154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of my favorite complexity results) < 1375660586 120698 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this written like a news story < 1375660588 85336 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-59-121.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks < 1375660649 55169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it sort of is