00:00:39 hmph http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.28.6593 is the summary page but the abstract is clearly broken. 00:01:43 “the following theorem shows that there is little hope of finding a substantially better method, since the range of a modular number depends essentially on all bits of all the residues (u_i, ..., u_r)” 00:02:47 (knuth then writes the theorem, which is too trivial to copy here) 00:03:24 -!- Jafet has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 00:04:07 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:04:13 -!- Jafet has joined. 00:19:16 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:21:13 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 00:32:55 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:39:44 -!- tertu has joined. 00:45:30 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:45:53 -!- tertu has joined. 00:50:34 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:59:52 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 01:01:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:01:57 -!- augur has joined. 01:03:53 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:07:36 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:22:49 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:27:13 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 01:28:29 -!- copumpkin has joined. 01:28:35 -!- copumpkin has quit (Changing host). 01:28:35 -!- copumpkin has joined. 02:02:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:21:21 oh, hey. the division result actually uses chinese remainder. how about that 02:27:12 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has changed nick to Nisstyre. 02:32:34 "Actor Peter Capaldi has been announced as the new star of BBC sci-fi series Doctor Who... Capaldi is best known for his role as foul-mouthed spin-doctor Malcolm Tucker in the BBC series The Thick of It." 02:35:00 yeah i've already seen a bunch of messages to the effect of "why would you have him play a character who can't curse" 02:37:01 I think doctor who would probably be better with gratuitous swearing 02:42:09 that seems clear 02:45:02 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 02:46:46 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:12:09 -!- Guest15597 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:13:37 -!- Guest15597 has joined. 03:23:53 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:26:02 -!- Bike has joined. 03:32:05 -!- Guest15597 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:41:53 -!- btiffin has joined. 03:59:38 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:04:04 -!- rodgort has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:05:38 -!- sacje has joined. 04:06:46 -!- rodgort has joined. 04:16:01 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 04:17:09 -!- rodgort has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:17:14 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:38:02 -!- rodgort has joined. 04:45:14 -!- Chris____ has joined. 04:55:59 Just bragged about small s.c.r.i.p.t. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Small_s.c.r.i.p.t. 05:17:02 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:18:51 -!- Bike has joined. 05:26:59 -!- BuzzBe_T has joined. 05:46:40 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:47:49 -!- Bike has joined. 05:58:27 What is Ctrl supposed to be doing in vim? 05:58:36 Other than messing me up. 06:11:00 Nothing, unless it's been mapped to something 06:14:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 06:15:39 http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/signal-safe-strcpy 06:17:54 why would symlink be handler-safe when strcpy isn't 06:18:16 Because it's specced that way, evidently 06:19:40 i like the sem_post note 06:24:53 huh, xkcd is actually funny again 06:27:30 -!- sacje has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:29:13 -!- Chris____ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:42:38 how large is the second biggest connected component in the global sex graph 06:43:22 Why the second biggest in particular 06:44:00 well the biggest one is huge 06:45:08 xkcd is on to shachaf 06:45:10 How do you know? 06:45:12 and the vast majority of components will be size one or two 06:45:40 the second biggest one is like the community most successful at being totally insular 06:45:44 which makes it more interesting 06:45:50 my guess would go to some gay community 06:45:52 What's the biggest then 06:46:06 great, now i'm going to be wondering about sex connectivity instead of sleeping. 06:46:08 the biggest connected component has a billion people probably 06:46:12 Deewiant: probably most promiscuous individuals 06:46:27 of any sex or orienation 06:46:37 Combined with prostitutes, or something? 06:46:43 i'll just sit here, a lone node 06:46:44 yes 06:46:52 prostitutes are usually fairly promiscuous yeah 06:46:56 either that or they're not very good at their jobs 06:47:09 kmc: I was going to say pretty much exactly that :( 06:47:19 Or they're expensive 06:47:28 I'm pretty sure I'm in the big component 06:47:40 even though I have low degree 06:47:42 http://crookedtimber.org/2004/08/13/love-is-a-battlefield-spanning-tree-network-with-no-4-cycles/ 06:48:03 coppro: me too 06:48:51 Bike: ? 06:49:12 oh nice, data 06:49:29 thank god i can leave this to experts instead of speculating 06:49:37 speaking of which: do slime molds form models of sex networks 06:50:58 Bike: how old are you, anyway? 06:51:18 ????? 06:51:54 I think there are almost 50 people within distance 2 of me, so I'm pretty sure I'm in the strong set 06:52:54 Are you using a loose or traditional definition of what constitutes sex 06:53:29 a reasonably strict definition i think 06:53:40 that's only everybody having like seven partners, doesn't seem too implausible? 06:53:41 hard to be too traditional without also being heteronormative 06:53:59 hmm 06:54:16 I think I'm near some cycles, could be wrong though; don't tend to actually talk about it a lot 06:54:19 For males there's a fairly traditional same-sex sex definition as well 06:54:43 It's when you have only women that it gets tricky 06:54:56 Deewiant: whichcan easily be extended to male-female yet usually is not 06:54:58 wow, i had this exact conversation in high school. 06:55:02 laughed my ass off then too 06:55:36 coppro: Well there's already a traditional definition there 06:55:54 and then got into a conversation about whether talking about talking about [..recursion..] sex was as dirty as talking about [..recursion..] sex. have all my conversations in life been prep for this channel 06:56:01 I'm just observing that there is different standard there 06:56:22 sex isn't dirty, hth 06:56:27 especially when you consider those who do not engage in extramarital copulation, but will do basically anything else 06:56:38 are there lots of these people 06:56:41 Traditionally (and still typically AFAIK) the more traditional stuff happens first so you don't need to worry about whether the extension counts 06:56:54 kmc: as a virgin in high school roughly everything is dirty 06:56:54 kmc: I do not know how many, but they do exist 06:57:19 Bike: that means you were being a virgin wrong 06:57:33 i don't know what that means 06:57:56 * kmc is amused by Deewiant's traditional ordering 06:58:16 Deewiant: indeed, but what of my example? 06:59:08 coppro: Well they're an exception 06:59:25 I don't know how common of a one 06:59:39 sexologists on the case 06:59:54 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:00:23 Especially traditionally, they could be a more modern phenomenon (but I suspect not) 07:00:32 I think the proper response is along the lines of "anyone who debates over whether sex has to involve a penis probably has really really boring sex" 07:00:42 <3 07:01:39 kmc's all "yeah duh, you need at least four" 07:01:44 haha 07:02:00 XD 07:02:33 Just trying to infer kmc's 'reasonably strict definition' 07:03:49 look there is some cocksucking involved 07:03:52 not gonna lie 07:04:05 But does that alone count? 07:04:30 I was assuming it doesn't since that'd be somewhat looser a definition than is traditional 07:05:19 I'm counting it 07:05:48 That's pretty loose then I guess 07:05:53 I think if afterward all parties agree "we had sex" then I think it should count 07:06:16 But then the same act doesn't count depending on who you did it with 07:07:22 you're sociologists. that's usual 07:07:39 Meh 07:08:06 Oh well, I guess the graphs are interesting whether they're based on subjective or objective definitions 07:08:10 look you're not going to axiomatize sex 07:08:18 i will personally try to stop you 07:08:30 kmc's incompleteness theorems 07:09:57 kmc: You wouldn't accept it if somebody wrote "in the following graph, 'having sex' is taken to mean [...]"? :-P 07:11:17 I wasn't fighting for an end-all be-all definition or anything 07:12:27 wow now i'm annoyed at the pathologization of herpes again. random. 07:12:47 Evidently there's a movie called "The Be All and End All" about a 15-year old boy trying to lose his virginity; take it up with its writers 07:13:06 Bike: ? 07:15:13 it's mostly harmless and like 80% of all humans have it. some pharma company made people feel insecure about genital sores for marketing purposes and now here we are. 07:16:54 i do think it's kind of interesting/cool how a nervous system infection is so incredibly widespread >_> 07:19:21 heh 07:20:24 there are very occasionally some horror story things like herpesviral encephalitis, where your head slightly explodes 07:32:56 -!- BuzzBe_T has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!). 08:00:11 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 08:05:36 -!- btiffin has left. 08:06:44 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:28:36 -!- CADD has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 08:34:43 I am: bamboozled. 08:34:45 I've this pair of 1T SATA (3Gbps) drives that just don't want to work in a computar. All other disks (a 64G SSD, a 3T HD, a 750G HD) work in the same SATA port (with the same SATA and power cables), and correspondingly both 1T disks work just fine in an external USB SATA dock. 08:34:50 I've even tried jumpering the 1T drive down to 1.5Gbps combattability mode, but it still just keeps not showing up. (It also does spin up, it just... isn't visible.) 08:45:12 And why the florb does Gigabyte not have BIOS update changelogs anywhere? There's just notes for the latest. 08:51:39 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:58:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:16:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:28:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:00:44 -!- CADD has joined. 10:01:35 -!- CADD has quit (Client Quit). 10:02:22 -!- conehead has joined. 10:09:53 -!- CADD has joined. 10:10:16 -!- CADD has changed nick to Guest66946. 10:10:40 -!- Guest66946 has quit (Client Quit). 10:32:31 -!- mnoqy has joined. 10:33:45 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:34:11 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 10:37:25 -!- carado has joined. 10:43:54 -!- Bike_ has joined. 10:45:10 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:46:14 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:47:15 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 11:12:58 -!- nooodl has joined. 11:18:38 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:22:08 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:37:06 -!- Jafet has joined. 11:38:12 -!- neena has joined. 11:43:43 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 12:07:53 kmc: Is your nick pronounced as /'keɪ'ɛm'siː/ or /'keɪ'mæk/ or /'kiː'mæk/ or what 12:14:19 /'kmk/ 12:14:29 or /'kms/ 12:14:53 "drugz" 12:14:58 (the joke is drugz) 12:15:06 > cycle "HA" 12:15:08 "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... 12:17:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:18:08 Deewiant: /'ko̞:'æm'se̞:/ 12:19:54 (Huh, ː and : are different things? Well, let's just say I made an approximation.) 12:20:43 U+02D0 MODIFIER LETTER TRIANGULAR COLON 12:20:58 That's a fairly narrow transcription for an approximation :-P 12:21:04 I'm not sure if the normal colon means anything in IPA 12:21:23 Do you get Toblerone-shaped poop from a triangular colon? 12:22:16 fizzie: Anyhoo, while there are options like that, yes, I imagine they're not among the ones he uses, which is why I didn't include e.g. that one. 12:22:35 None of this non-canonical stuff for me. 12:22:39 Deewiant: It's what I use when talking about kmc at home, at least. 12:22:45 (A frequent occurrence.) 12:23:17 Although sometimes I just say "Keegan", because it's the funniest. (No offense.) 12:24:25 “Keemac” is certainly correct given his actual name. 12:24:48 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 12:25:13 fizzie: Do you say that as /'kiːgən/ or /'keːgan/ 12:27:35 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:29:41 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:32:06 -!- carado has joined. 12:43:45 -!- Cewek has joined. 12:44:17 hy 12:45:24 -!- Cewek has left. 12:52:15 -!- boily1 has joined. 12:55:30 -!- metasepia has joined. 12:56:53 @tell oh, hey. the division result actually uses chinese remainder. how about that<-- well duh why do you think i linked it 12:56:58 oops 12:57:05 oh well no lambdabot 12:58:07 good unlambdabotty morning! 13:00:43 impossible! 13:01:25 Gregor: please revert the channel to a possible state! the lack of lambdabot is bad for our daily vitamin intake! 13:02:20 (lambdabot is from gregor, yes?) 13:03:11 no. hth. 13:05:08 oh hm. 13:05:29 random person who usually lambdabots: ↑, and «AAAAAAAAURGH!» 13:16:59 Deewiant: /'keːgan/, actually. It's funnier that way, I think. 13:23:17 -!- fizzie has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 13:24:13 -!- fizzie has joined. 13:27:35 -!- yorick has joined. 13:27:48 I don't know what that was all about. 13:29:01 /omɑilmɑtyːnyɑlusontaynːaɑnkeriɑitɑ/ 13:30:34 Those as should be æs, at the very least. 13:30:49 oh. right. 13:30:56 It could use some apostrophes for word boundaries, too. 13:31:06 Not necessary in a broad transcription I guess. 13:31:07 accent shmaccent. 13:32:08 Finnish is kind of funny in that you can get something that's almost an IPA approximation just by adding //s around the edges. 13:32:49 pesky orthophonic spelling 13:33:29 wait isn't that the word 13:33:51 And an even better approximation with tr aäö ɑæø. 13:34:09 Assuming some sort of hypothetical UTF-8-capable tr, do they do that nowadays? 13:34:30 Maybe it's locale-aware; it *is* 2013. 13:34:37 It's required to be. 13:34:52 isn't h x or something, too 13:35:02 (i don't know finnish at all) 13:35:13 `run echo 'bar' | tr aäö ɑæø 13:35:17 br 13:35:21 bÉr 13:35:23 nooodl: was about to say 13:35:31 Apparently it makes an interesting effort instead. 13:35:52 (or to be precise, was thinking and about to not say anything) 13:36:01 I don't know IPA at all, but [Finnish phonology] says it's just /h/. 13:36:24 yeah 13:36:38 (Of course there's ŋ and such, if you want to get all fancy.) 13:36:44 well it's not x i guess, but it's unusual in that finnish allows it before consonants 13:37:17 Okay, so, tr is incredibly not locale-aware. Interesting. 13:37:28 oerjan: Voi rähmä. 13:39:20 why does google translate that as "Oh Rahma." 13:40:32 oh wait i had norwegian as target. with english it just leaves rähmä untranslated. 13:42:03 is a rähmä like a sampo? 13:43:02 oerjan: Huh; it's a real word. 13:43:05 1. rheum -- (a watery discharge from the mucous membranes (especially from the eyes or nose)) 13:43:19 (I don't think it's used for any non-ocular sense, though.) 13:43:39 (I'd've @wn'd that, but lambdabot seems to be gone.) 13:45:05 allergic conjunctivitis sounds like something a grammarian might have 13:49:35 * oerjan might have it, actually 13:51:12 I recommend a good dose of French grammar to cure that itchy ailment. 13:52:31 i just wash my eyes a lot instead 14:06:57 -!- jsvine has joined. 14:15:39 Oh god French grammar =P 14:17:03 French grammar is like having beakers of H2SO4 repeatedly thrown onto your face, but with less enjoyment. 14:17:21 It's not *that* bad 14:18:03 "Timmy was a chemist's son, but Timmy is no more: what Timmy thought was H2O was H2SO4" 14:19:20 well, ok. maybe not sulfuric acid. probably nearer to fluoroantimonic acid. the pain is shorter. 14:19:44 Again, it's not *that* bad. =P 14:19:48 It's complicated, sure 14:19:53 Arbitrary at times, too 14:20:43 But if I managed to teach it to students who were pretty damn far behind, it can't be something that actually kills you =P 14:22:01 news report: “Another student found mangled on his desk by a participe passé hate crime...” 14:22:15 Roujo: so, you're a teacher? 14:22:52 Not even, that's the thing 14:23:02 pas pire, pas pire! 14:23:19 I just took up being a French mentor instead of doing my French Comm course in Cégep 14:23:38 I did the same, but with math students. 14:27:53 Nice, nice 14:52:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:55:13 -!- Zuu has joined. 14:56:20 `relcome Zuu 14:56:23 ​Zuu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 14:57:11 Uhm, hi 14:57:31 * Fiora waves? 14:57:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:59:07 Im not quite used to this kind of welcoming 15:01:10 Hello Zuu 15:02:32 they do it to everyone <.< 15:02:40 at least you only got one welcome message, they gave me about 5 15:02:46 Hehe 15:03:09 Well, its certainly much nicer than last time i was here :P 15:03:43 * Zuu is only really here because his proxy crashed, and autojoin channels havent been changed for quite a while 15:28:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:31:24 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:32:36 -!- boily1 has changed nick to boily. 15:33:12 good. I did my first ghost! back to my usual self. 15:33:38 now... 15:33:43 `relcom Fiora 15:33:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: relcom: not found 15:33:46 `relcome Fiora 15:33:50 ​Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:42:30 `relcome boily 15:42:32 ​boily: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:43:10 Also, Zuu, do I know you from somewhere? 15:43:14 Your name looks familiar 15:43:32 Roujo: Probably :> 15:45:27 -!- aloril has joined. 15:45:57 Roujo: unless its familiar in a bad way, then no, you dont know me :P 15:46:44 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 15:48:51 Zuu: are you Canadian? 15:49:41 boily: I wouldnt mind to have been :> 15:49:45 Im dane 15:52:28 -!- sacje has joined. 15:55:31 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:09:41 welcomes again? 16:11:19 -!- iamfishhead has joined. 16:19:03 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 16:26:25 -!- dessos_ has changed nick to dessos. 16:51:02 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:52:57 -!- lambdabot has joined. 16:56:23 -!- Bike_ has joined. 16:58:39 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:01:23 -!- heroux has joined. 17:01:26 -!- coppro_ has joined. 17:02:40 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro. 17:03:10 Fiora: the welcomes never stop. we are a very welcommy community. 17:04:00 True that 17:04:21 `welcome Roujo 17:04:22 Does any bot here have echo capability? 17:04:23 Roujo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:04:31 `relcome boily 17:04:33 ​boily: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:04:50 `echo Hays 17:04:51 Hays 17:04:55 Nice 17:05:03 `echo `echo Hats 17:05:05 ​`echo Hats 17:05:15 But of course, it doesn't react to its own lines =P 17:05:21 ~echo Hays 17:05:21 Hays 17:05:27 Ah 17:05:43 Roujo: HackEgo is special. it inserts an invisible space before any line it prints that begins with a non-alpha character. 17:05:51 `echo @echo hello 17:05:53 ​@echo hello 17:05:57 `welcome ~echo `welcome Hats 17:05:57 @echo `echo hello 17:05:57 echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["# 17:05:57 esoteric",":@echo `echo hello"]} target:#esoteric rest:"`echo hello" 17:05:59 ​~echo: `welcome: Hats: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:06:10 Dammit, foiled by a colon 17:06:11 ^^ 17:06:27 it's easy enough to loop some of the bots if you really want to 17:06:35 or maybe not these days? 17:06:37 I don't really want to loop them 17:06:39 metasepia should be loopable I think 17:06:42 Since that's generally annoying 17:06:44 uhm. how the what the fungot did my bot log got throught lambdabot. 17:06:52 @echo q 17:06:52 echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo q"]} 17:06:52 target:#esoteric rest:"q" 17:07:01 ... 17:07:10 @help echo 17:07:10 echo . echo irc protocol string 17:07:16 Nice 17:07:21 that is not good. most definitely, elliottely not good. 17:10:51 ~ping 17:10:51 Pong! 17:10:57 ~metar CYUL 17:10:57 CYUL 051700Z 29013G20KT 30SM FEW040 FEW240 20/07 A3001 RMK CU1CI1 CU TR CI TR SLP162 DENSITY ALT 600FT 17:11:01 @echo ~ping 17:11:01 echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["# 17:11:01 esoteric",":@echo ~ping"]} target:#esoteric rest:"~ping" 17:11:08 @say ~ping 17:11:08 Maybe you meant: src slap faq 17:11:11 aw :< 17:11:19 ~echo `echo 17:11:19 `echo 17:11:20 No output. 17:11:23 yessss XD 17:11:28 ~echo `echo ~echo `echo 17:11:28 ~echo @echo `echo ^ping 17:11:28 `echo ~echo `echo 17:11:28 @echo `echo ^ping 17:11:28 echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["# 17:11:28 esoteric",":@echo `echo ^ping"]} target:#esoteric rest:"`echo ^ping" 17:11:29 ​~echo `echo 17:12:09 ^echo ~echo `echo 17:12:15 hm. no fungot. 17:12:36 fizzie: *chewbacca sounds* *flail* *woggle* 17:12:41 Hm. No fungot. 17:13:57 -!- fungot has joined. 17:14:01 ^echo ~echo `echo 17:14:01 ~echo `echo ~echo `echo 17:14:01 `echo ~echo `echo 17:14:02 ​~echo `echo 17:14:43 A-choo. 17:15:32 My thing is being real slow. :/ 17:17:21 hi i made this http://ideone.com/5IKz5G 17:19:17 -!- Bike has joined. 17:19:37 i wonder if ruby code matching /[:punct:]*/ is tc 17:20:15 can you do a BF interpreter in punctual ruby? 17:20:17 can you write any character and eval? 17:22:05 eval is impossible i think 17:22:12 -!- Bike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:22:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 259 seconds). 17:22:58 unless... hmm 17:23:27 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:27:09 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:29:39 -!- jsvine has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 17:33:13 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 17:33:21 Deewiant: usually I spell it out letter by letter but yes you can just call me "Keegan" in person 17:33:29 I used to have "keegan" an freenode long ago... 17:34:05 -!- kmc has set topic: When the zetas fill the skies, will our leaders tell us why? | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric. 17:34:20 kmc: The latter was more about if it's anything like "keemac" or "kaymac", but OK, you spell it out 17:34:53 ~duck zeta 17:34:54 zeta definition: the 6th letter of the Greek alphabet. 17:36:39 ~duck duck go 17:36:40 --- No relevant information 17:36:43 Deewiant: Why the sudden interest, incidentally? Planning a #esoteric talk show or something? 17:36:43 Pfff 17:37:22 fizzie: Just came to mind for some reason 17:37:28 tonight, on the esoteric show 17:37:46 is rust an esoteric language? or is it just kmc trying to push his playtoy on everyone else? 17:37:51 bf derivatives: are they passe? 17:38:34 N-dimensional esoteric languages: the next generation of programming? 17:38:40 find out, tonight, on the esoteric show. 17:38:48 kmc: if we meet in person I'll call you kay em cee is that okay 17:39:21 thatd be weird 17:39:24 I wonder when the point was that everyone collectively got sick of bf derivatives 17:39:29 pretty sure it was after 2007 17:39:49 I keep wanting to read kmc as "kimchee" 17:39:52 and then I'm hungry 17:40:40 ~duck duck duck go 17:40:41 Duck Duck Go is a search engine based in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania that uses information from crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia) with the aim of augmenting traditional results and improving relevance. 17:41:25 Fiora: haha 17:41:32 I like kimchi 17:41:35 me too 17:41:39 although not the super fishy kind 17:42:16 there's fishy kimchi? 17:42:26 Yeah, but I don't trust it 17:43:56 “The most common seasonings include brine, scallions, spices, ginger, chopped radish, garlic, saeujeot (hangul: 새우젓, shrimp sauce), and aekjeot (hangul: 액젓, fish sauce).” 17:44:48 is this a riemann hypothesis thing 17:45:29 not really 17:45:56 riemann kimchi? 17:46:01 http://www.spacereptilesareyourfriend.com/images/30-Electronic-Mail-Blues.jpg 17:46:21 MC kmc is on the mike. 17:46:29 Bike: good domain name 17:46:47 -!- jsvine has joined. 17:47:33 good image too 17:48:44 Actual website circa 1998. 18:15:21 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071108-fossil-foodchain.html fossilized turducken 18:17:00 is it wrong if I find the word "turducken" inherently hilarious 18:17:45 nothing could be more right 18:20:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word 18:20:46 as someone who is not American I can also confirm that turducken itself is inherently hilarious 18:27:52 I think it's more disgusting than hilarious, too close to turd-ducken 18:30:39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_stuffed_camel 18:35:54 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 18:39:48 elliott: Also: Delicious. 18:43:31 elliott: your country invented the deep fried mars bar 18:43:33 checkmate 18:44:36 kmc: Scotland is a different country to England 18:44:41 (aiui) 18:45:23 whatever 18:45:33 several countries under one sovereign state called the UK and also the UK is part of the Commonwealth?? 18:45:44 and then there's the Crown dependencies 18:45:49 But which of those is a "nation" 18:45:54 kmc: did you know "2" is apparently a different category from "𝟐" 18:46:00 ""The Crown" is defined differently in each Crown dependency." 18:46:03 you can't make this up 18:46:06 (the latter is a 2) 18:46:32 recently england had legislation to put the monarchy under absolute primogeniture but they haven't done it yet because all the other countries with the same monarchy would have to do it too 18:46:45 which is kind of a shame because i like the idea of there being two english monarchs based on local legislation 18:46:57 Gregor: AIUI, "nation" here is short for "nation state" 18:47:07 Gregor: so it has to be the UK 18:47:16 because I don't think England, Scotland etc. are states 18:47:25 this being a distinct kind of state from the US ones, I think 18:47:37 in short, lol 18:47:43 however I think Crown dependencies are self-governed nation states that just happen to belong to the Crown? 18:47:58 "Legislation of the Isle of Man defines the "Crown in right of the Isle of Man" as being separate from the "Crown in right of the United Kingdom".[6]" fuck 18:48:06 for some level of "self-governed" 18:48:13 they probably don't handle their own diplomacy or military 18:48:14 well, de jure self-governed. 18:48:26 oh wait 18:48:27 "Although the Crown dependencies are British possessions of the Crown, and are not sovereign nations in their own right" 18:48:37 i mean, they can pass local legislation, but not negotiate a treaty independently 18:48:41 okay but they're not part of the United Kingdom 18:48:41 because they're not sovereign 18:48:45 so they... have no sovereign state? 18:49:10 The relationship between the Crown dependencies and the UK is "one of mutual respect and support, ie, a partnership".[26] 18:49:15 The British Government is solely responsible for defence and international representation[27] (although, in accordance with 2007 framework agreements,[28] the UK has undertaken not to act internationally on behalf of the Crown dependencies without prior consultation). Each Crown dependency has responsibility for its own customs and immigration services. 18:49:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 18:49:19 man i remember when i went through learning this, and i found out that literally the official criterion for "is a state" is "other states call it a state" 18:49:20 I think I'm just going to cry 18:49:23 and just kind of laughed and gave up 18:49:34 Bike: what's wrong with that criterion 18:49:40 yeah 18:49:43 nothing really, it works very well 18:49:49 Roujo: I think I've watched that and it doesn't actually explain these fiddly bits 18:49:54 international law is really just made up as you go 18:49:55 except for occasional outliers like thailand or kosovo 18:49:56 also all other law 18:49:59 like I thought I had a pretty good grasp on what all the things in the UK and stuff were 18:50:04 but international law is newer and so this is more obvious, or something 18:50:06 elliott: It might not. I was just hoping it helped =) 18:50:08 kmc: yeah but this was before i understood that. it was, like, a revelation, man. 18:50:09 but then PH was all "what about the Crown dependencies" 18:50:13 yeah it is a revelation 18:50:19 and then I was all "help" 18:50:20 elliott: wasn't that me 18:50:29 uh, maybe both? 18:50:35 p. sure i remember a conversation like that 18:50:38 kmc: it was like "wow this makes no sense. that makes so much sense" 18:50:42 maybe 18:51:02 "The Crown dependencies, together with the United Kingdom, are collectively known as the British Islands." I like how "British Islands" is a different thing to "British Isles" oh my god 18:51:14 perhaps it's part of the more general revelation of "adults don't actually know what they're doing" 18:51:20 yes 18:51:31 "While their constitutional status bears some resemblance to that of the Commonwealth realms, the Crown dependencies are not members of the Commonwealth of Nations. They participate in the Commonwealth of Nations by virtue of their relationship with the United Kingdom, and participate in various Commonwealth institutions in their own right. For example, all three participate in the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association and the Commonwealth Games." 18:52:00 elliott: btw the best crown dependency is guernsey. Sark is feudal and all 18:52:48 okay so I honestly don't understand what "state" you're in when you're in a Crown dependency 18:52:56 they're not sovereign states unto themselves, but they're also not part of the United Kingdom 18:53:04 but you are, presumably, not stateless 18:53:07 what citizenship do they have? 18:53:32 Channel Islanders and Manx people are British citizens and hence European citizens.[39] However, they are not entitled to take advantage of the freedom of movement of people or services unless they are directly connected (through birth, descent from a parent or grandparent, or five years' residence) with the United Kingdom.[40] 18:53:37 but that's not all the crown dependencies 18:53:41 Matters reserved to the Crown (i.e. acting through the United Kingdom Government) are limited to defence, citizenship, and diplomatic representation. 18:53:50 I think you probably have citizenship of the Crown dependency you're in usually? 18:53:53 just... it's not a sovereign state... 18:53:54 hm yes, this seems to be utterly fucked. 18:54:08 I think maybe this Wikipedia article is oversimplified in parts or something 18:54:20 and they're maybe kind-of-states enough to have citizens and stuff, just not fully-fledged autonomous ones?? 18:54:34 well, probably, in that you can't get a deep understanding of british law without finding the secret protocols in the magna carta 18:55:08 nice they're also SORT OF members of the EU 18:55:09 seriously you know the whole outlawries bill thing right. it's like just way too much tradition man 18:55:13 because of their "association" with the UK 18:55:26 isn't french guiana like that too 18:55:27 Of the Four Freedoms of the EU, the islands take part in that concerning the movement of goods, but not those concerning the movement of people, services or capital. The Channel Islands are outside the VAT area (as they have no VAT), while the Isle of Man is inside it.[37] Both areas are inside the customs union.[38] 18:55:45 no vat? dang 18:56:07 hm nope, french guiana is just part of the european union. 18:56:10 don't Amazon do some things from Jersey 18:56:11 because no VAT 18:56:12 stickin their tendrils into south america 18:56:12 or something 18:57:36 Bike: can you just figure all this out for me so I can stop thinking about it 18:58:04 let's just call it all england and be done with it? 18:58:14 let's go to Åland 18:58:31 Verkkokauppa.com (a Finnish computers-and-nowadays-everything-else-too e-retailer) used to send some things from Åland Islands VAT-free. 18:58:39 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_(international_relations) hth. 18:58:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAT-free_imports_from_the_Channel_Islands 18:59:16 They were all priced like 0.05 eur from the maximum limit before you have to do something customs-related, and you could order only one thing at a time. 18:59:41 does their name just mean "online shop"? 18:59:46 Yes. 18:59:49 clever 19:00:02 goods-and-services.com 19:00:05 <3 19:00:09 wow good site 19:00:11 They also paid that one guy to change his name to Verkkokauppa, I think. 19:00:23 haha 19:00:36 Some random dude in the US. 19:00:59 Formerly known as Calvin Gosz. 19:01:06 why would they do that? 19:01:22 yknow there used to be duty free shops inside the Berlin U-bahn 19:01:25 pretty convenient 19:01:28 http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Unemployed+US+teenager+gets+curious+new+name+-+Verkkokauppa/1135250640026 19:02:05 he only got $5k? come on 19:02:16 "As the number of immigrants in the United States is high, the legislation regarding names is rather loose, which is why changing names in the country is relatively easy." 19:02:36 snerk 19:02:45 ”We have seen quite a number of different spellings of our company name, which is why we stressed that the name will have to be spelled correctly. Otherwise the young man could be left without the remaining sum of money”, Seppälä notes. 19:03:00 I'm not entirely certain they got their money's worth there, really, in a PR sense, because after those first few news articles, I've heard nothing of it. 19:03:29 Perhaps they could do a "where is Verkkokauppa Com now" episode in a show or something. 19:09:35 What should I use for drawing commutative diagrams on a computer? 19:11:22 xfig. 19:11:46 is there not a tex module or whatever for it yet 19:11:57 there are plenty of tex things for it 19:12:03 ??but which to use?? 19:12:39 I use the lazy way and eps everything. 19:12:53 mnoqy: !!exactly!! 19:22:30 I guess it would be nice to give my heart to a TeX module but which one, which one do I choooooose 19:22:41 pstricks. 19:23:00 mnoqy: i'm as confused as a bear driving a car over here 19:23:14 comicsans.sty 19:23:27 @slap kmc 19:23:27 go slap kmc yourself 19:23:35 * boily slap kmc yourself 19:23:52 @slap fungot 19:23:53 * lambdabot activates her slap-o-matic... 19:23:53 olsner: i still want that box, riastradh? if so, it's a little off-putting. :) 19:24:15 ~duck riastradh 19:24:15 Warp spasm is a mythological feat found in Celtic myth by which a warrior enters a frenzied state of contortion in battle that makes him invincible. 19:24:16 fungot: perhaps you will fix my destructor cycle 19:24:17 kmc: yes you can, and have new features added regularly? if not, don't bother. go straight to /dev/ dsp is using before writing to it 19:25:21 kmc: have you tried bonghits yet 19:25:33 i can confirm that he has 19:25:40 ~duck bonghit 19:25:41 --- No relevant information 19:25:43 not exactly 19:25:44 A luxury toilet controlled by a smartphone app is vulnerable to attack, according to security experts. 19:27:12 having your toilet hacked would probably be distressing 19:27:23 I have a strict "no bonghits at work" policy 19:27:35 I realize this makes me a conservative dinosaur who just doesn't ``get'' startup culture 19:27:42 hmm, so what can you do with a hacked toilet? 19:27:43 mnoqy: what if you got your aim hecked... 19:27:58 far beyond distressing 19:28:41 kmc: what about other kinds of hits 19:30:23 unclear 19:30:26 perhaps cache hits will fix my performance problem 19:30:31 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:33:47 http://www.purple.com/ 19:37:20 purple.com is one of the eight wonders of the internet 19:37:23 not sure what the others are 19:37:32 for a moment I thought it was a new host for #esoteric's logs... 19:39:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:43:16 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 19:49:05 [xcb] Most likely this is a multi-threaded client and XInitThreads has not been called 19:49:07 [xcb] Aborting, sorry about that. 19:49:10 so polite 19:49:49 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:02:33 kmc, why are there muse lyrics in the topic 20:05:50 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:06:09 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 20:06:10 Taneb: for inspiration hth 20:06:43 Well, the answer is clearly because they are fully loaded celluloids, which target nothing but our minds 20:07:43 * boily shakes fungot out of Taneb 20:07:44 boily: heh, then put it up or are you a teen-ager? even sillier!! 20:12:53 boily, that's the next two lines of the song 20:13:11 oh. silly me. 20:13:37 * boily still shakes Taneb for the fun of it 20:13:51 (it's a weird song) 20:13:54 (Exo Politics) 20:14:15 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:14:46 the only other song that has “celluloid” in its lyrics that I know of is carpet crawlers from genesis. 20:14:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi0XGqFt3Es 20:15:02 that one too is pretty incomprehensible. 20:16:22 oh. here come the zetas. 20:17:16 Taneb: I thought they were satellites 20:17:29 also why is why not 20:17:47 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:17:48 Oh, so it is 20:17:51 My mistake 20:19:32 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:20:38 -!- mnoqy has joined. 20:22:57 -!- Bike has joined. 20:27:05 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:28:13 -!- Bike has joined. 20:42:59 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 20:57:24 "The Washington Post Company just announced that it has reached an agreement to sell its newspaper publishing business to Amazon founder and CEO Jeff Bezos for $250 million." O______O 20:57:33 what 20:58:11 like, is he running for office? why the hell else would somebody want to own a newspaper 21:02:06 kindle??? 21:02:17 probably jeff bezos just wants to own everything though? 21:02:24 kmc: To improve the quality of the newspaper? 21:02:30 "Unsettled WP editorial board reflexively calls for airstrikes on Barnes & Noble and Overstock." 21:02:31 jsvine: what is your professional take on this story 21:02:45 elliott: totally fascinating 21:02:59 If I wanted to own a newspaper, I would do so in order to improve it. 21:04:16 Bike: haha 21:04:20 What is the "`*list" for the Dungeons&Dragons recording? I think it could be "`*list" just for consistency (even if the file doesn't exist); what would it be called, please? 21:04:42 jsvine: How much of esolang report did you write so far? 21:05:09 elliott: there's an argument to be made that newspapers could benefit from owners with the money and skill to develop a long-term strategy, rather than the desperate grasping for page-views that's become so common. Who knows if Bezos is the right person, but very much looking forward to seeing how this plays out. 21:05:53 finally, the Post will get a good API 21:06:50 zzo38: You get to name it. 21:07:11 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:07:38 zzo38: I have a considerable chunk written, but it still needs a stronger "human" narrative, something that non-technical readers can relate to — a quest to create X, or a rivalry between X and Y, or just some colorful anecdotes 21:08:07 jsvine: Ah, OK. 21:08:18 zzo38: since there's no particular rush for the story, I'm gradually figuring that part out, interviewing folks, etc. 21:08:34 hmmmmm who shall be my rival 21:08:56 Bike: you might like this: https://github.com/dwillis/post_haste 21:09:03 shachaf: OK, I can call it "`danddreclist" (I didn't finish yet; when I will I will type it by itself). (Note: Your client should be progreammed to only filter on messages starting with "`danddreclist"; not on all messages containing it! 21:09:04 kmc: can i be your archnemesis 21:09:18 hah, i don't actually need one, but thanks 21:09:43 zzo38: Wait, my client doesn't filter on list names. The point of lists is that the bot notifies me. 21:10:20 zzo38: So you would make a HackEgo program in bin/danddreclist and it would print my name. 21:10:34 "The Washington Post, one of our country’s greatest newspapers, just sold for 1/4 the price of Tumblr." there are a lot of good quotes coming out of this 21:10:39 shachaf: You can program the bot to notify you if you want that, I suppose; after all, it is prefixed in the way to do that. I won't put that but I do this that you can program it if you want to make it do that. 21:11:00 Do you have HackEgo on /ignore or something? 21:11:11 `run cp bin/{empty,danddrec}list 21:11:13 shachaf: No. 21:11:14 No output. 21:11:20 `run echo shachaf >> bin/danddreclist 21:11:23 I don't have it ignored 21:11:23 No output. 21:11:30 Does anyone else want to be on the list? 21:12:13 `run echo nooodl >> bin/danddreclist 21:12:17 No output. 21:16:54 oh hey elliott remember the "is symbols-only ruby TC" thing! turns out it kinda is, if you cheat 21:17:46 basically you construct a string like "ruby -e 'do stuff'" and then print `#{__}` 21:18:22 that is very cheating 21:18:29 also print isn't symbols?? 21:18:52 $><< is 21:19:21 ($> is the perl-y global variable for stdout, << sends stuff to it """C++ style""") 21:19:34 lol. 21:19:57 http://bpaste.net/raw/120265/ here's an example! it counts to ten and prints hello world 21:22:00 GYAAAAAH! 21:23:32 I wonder if dependent typing will ever hit the mainstream 21:26:50 never. 21:27:19 Do you think C will be still used during the 22nd century? 21:27:50 Yes I think C will still be used although maybe with a lesser percentage. 21:27:53 probably. will humans be the ones who are using it? 21:28:03 nah, zorblaxians 21:28:32 fungot: are you a zorblaxian? 21:28:33 boily: got it. 21:28:45 * boily eyes fungot suspiciously 21:28:45 boily: well no matter what is and, if i'm not totally sold on the net, who's going to play with 21:29:12 Human or not, I think if someone is modifying an existing program written in C, they will know some things of C programming even if they don't use C as often as others. 21:29:12 * boily eyes fungot very suspiciously 21:29:12 boily: i guess i've only ever been a proper stove at home now 21:29:51 fungot: You don't run *that* hot. 21:29:51 fizzie: i'm afraid that's something you should be doing 21:30:19 yup. that bot is most definitely a zorblaxian. 21:30:29 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 21:30:36 -!- Bike has joined. 21:30:36 by 2117 greenland will have melted and the remaining humans will pledge fealty to zorblax corporation, and so on 21:30:44 fungot: I, uh... are you going to incinerate me? 21:30:44 fizzie: scheme is far more interesting. 21:30:54 A relief. 21:30:55 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 21:31:05 Bike: the Washington Post may be one of the greatest newspapers but it cannot supply me with an unlimited amount of incredibly specific pornography 21:31:21 mmhm 21:31:25 hopefully bezos can fix that 21:31:52 FreeFull: didn't you see that episode of TNG where they discover the Borg is written in C and attack it with a format string vulnerability 21:32:17 "POSIX conformance was your downfall" 21:32:33 hahaha 21:36:18 kmc: Haven't seen that one, but I have seen the one with a buffer overflow due to not checking the input size 21:36:21 I am captai%n jea%n luc picard 21:36:48 specific pornography? like, the shadow of a left nipple of a 36¼ year old woman from north-western nebraska cast in a blue-violet light? 21:37:25 It was a pretty good idea, designing scanf to write to arbitrary memory. 21:37:48 and printf, for that matter 21:38:46 Gracenotes: I have no idea what a legitimate use of it would even be 21:39:38 a legitimate use of printf? 21:39:40 I suggest two things adding to printf formatting strings: One is a "read-only" format specifier which makes it cannot write, and other which tells it to parse the rest of the string for size specifications of numbered parameters but otherwise ignore it (so that you can make a user format string which uses the first and third value and ignores the second, for example). 21:40:00 Bike: No, %n 21:40:08 When would you actually use it? 21:40:34 FreeFull: I know I don't think it is useful. 21:40:43 ...hm. 21:40:56 Maybe for tabulation? 21:41:01 Of... some kind. 21:41:29 I don't think it helps much for tabulation. 21:41:50 A tab counts as one character 21:42:13 Actually, it could be used for tabulation 21:42:17 If you did it using spaces 21:42:21 -!- conehead has joined. 21:42:32 http://stackoverflow.com/a/3402415 well, ok. 21:42:35 You'll be happy to know I've written 0x401f2d bytes so far! I'm so happy I'm not just telling you, but also the PLT. Hope this helps, have a good day! 21:42:50 programming language theory? 21:42:52 If you have long strings and then you will line up in columns, make something like: x=printf(...); while(x++<20) putchar(' '); It is one way. 21:43:26 Something like printf("%d%n", somenumber, moo); for(i=0;i<(something-moo);i++) putChar(' '); 21:43:45 Actually, you need to dereference the moo 21:43:48 But you get the idea 21:44:09 zzo38: well in this imaginary situation you want to print something on the same line as x after the beginning of the columsn. 21:44:29 printf already returns the length though, and if it is just something simple like %d then you can still use the left-align format code for it 21:45:02 Unix people using columns to create tables, HTML people using tables to create columns 21:45:06 All madness, all of it 21:45:08 yeah but you'd need to break it into two calls. x = printf(...); printf(...); while (x++ <20) ... 21:45:21 not that this is very good or anything. 21:45:27 zzo38: %n can be in the middle of the printed string though 21:45:33 Bike: I don't know what's the point of doing that, though. 21:45:50 convolutedly justifying %n 21:46:21 FreeFull: Yes it can, but such thing doesn't seem very useful. Even then, you can use multiple printf statements. Maybe some programs use %n but I don't use it. 21:46:41 It is what I suggest adding two new format codes, which can help. 21:47:50 I suggest looking for %n in the linux source coude 21:47:52 code* 21:48:53 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:51:54 -!- kallisti has joined. 21:52:46 FreeFull: yeah Kees Cook carries around a thumbdrive with partitions with names like "%99999n" 21:52:50 it will crash a lot of machines 21:52:58 (not necessarily in the kernel, but in all the gnome bullshit that looks at new disks, etc) 21:53:29 Why should you use the partition name as a format string? That doesn't make any sense. 21:55:25 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/04/obama-is-wrong-traditional-journalism-isnt-dead/ «Correction: This post originally stated that Obama said “traditional journalism is dead” in his interview with Amazon. That was incorrect.» 21:55:56 http://bpaste.net/raw/120285/ 21:56:11 BCT in ruby (with . and * instead of 0 and 1) using only punctuation 21:56:21 about time 21:56:46 $;=$$/$$; $.=$$-$$; 21:56:48 the cutest line imo 21:57:10 wait is $$ guaranteed to be nonzero?? (it's the pid) 21:57:36 I see a zero in there it isn't punctuation. But $. is zero isn't it, can you use that? 21:58:03 oops i forgot that zero 21:58:06 yeah 21:58:24 http://bpaste.net/raw/120287/ there 21:59:32 very cute. 21:59:40 Bike: the irony, it burns 22:04:07 "To monitor kinetics continuously, we outfitted each cockroach with a custom micro-accelerometer backpack," 22:04:29 now just s/back/jet/ and we're all set 22:05:15 eh, how much fuel can you fit in 600 mg of pack 22:05:43 just make it nuclear duh 22:07:14 sounds hard. 22:21:42 maybe it's powered off the cockroach 22:23:39 except for occasional outliers like thailand or kosovo <-- itym "taiwan" hth 22:23:51 i do :( 22:25:04 `quote kosovo 22:25:05 136) "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo." alise: I I was going to say something then your last line floored me 22:25:34 Phantom_Hoover: cockroaches are notoriously lacking in heavy water 22:25:48 wait thailand and taiwan aren't the same country???????? brb calling embassy 22:26:30 the thaiwan embassy 22:26:43 yeah that was a dumb mistake sorry 22:26:59 taiwan is the one that keeps saying it's china, thailand is the one that's like vietnam or whatever 22:27:13 filed under: communists 22:27:17 ok well now i feel better. 22:27:26 thailand is a monarchy... 22:27:34 uh I hear they're like vietnam 22:27:38 therefore. 22:27:40 "communist monarchy" 22:28:10 everyone is a king 22:30:01 did you know pad thai was invented only in like 1940s and is more chinese than thai in origin 22:30:37 Prime Minister Luang Phibunsongkhram popularized it as the national dish to promote nationalism 22:31:00 great name 22:31:37 some day, alise will come back and pull a cpressey. 22:32:02 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ´´´´´´´´). 22:32:17 kmc: at least it's not chop suey 22:32:18 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:32:38 'anthropologist E.N. Anderson concludes that the dish is based on tsap seui (“miscellaneous leftovers”)' 22:32:41 catchy name 22:33:35 * oerjan is reminded of pytt i panne 22:33:55 which i haven't had for ages, i think 22:34:43 why am i in ##c++ again 22:34:54 at least it's not ##c? 22:36:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdT1YT9AOPA finally 22:42:38 -!- jsvine has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 22:52:18 -!- douglass_ has joined. 22:53:20 kmc: Yeah, why are you in ##c++ when you should be in #idris 22:54:01 haha 22:56:27 -!- ChrisW has joined. 22:57:54 hey ChrisW last time you were here i forgot to mention you can do a prefix code for ski in binary so that 11 means something. 22:58:27 What would 11 mean? I sort of forgot what 00, 01, and 10 mean too 22:58:58 say 0 is `, 10 is K and 11 is S 22:59:59 That's almost the same as BCL, right? 23:00:11 i dunno maybe 23:02:33 I wonder if there is a one-point combinator which does not contain application to an abstraction 23:03:20 Do you think the million dollar wedge in Wheel of Fortune is actually worth only a few dollars? 23:05:57 apparently 1600x900 at 14" counts as an "HD display" for marketing purposes -_- 23:06:03 ugh 23:06:18 high-definition, adj. bigger than 1024x768 23:06:46 isn't 1024x768 already HD? 23:06:50 I mean, it's 720p :P 23:06:53 i mean technically 720p is "high def" but still, screw you monitor manufacturers 23:06:56 23:07:05 * Bike stares at x600 monitor. 23:10:41 Fiora: well, 1280 > 1024 23:10:47 and 720p is 1280x720 I think 23:10:56 by I think I mean I just looked it up on Wikipedia 23:19:20 elliott: is the TH in mchost actually less code that creating helper functions and writing the code directly? 23:19:26 s/that/than/ 23:19:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc 23:19:32 finally, closure for doctor who 23:19:41 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:20:33 kallisti: it generates data types as well as a parser 23:20:41 also mchost is like years out of date btw 23:20:58 you might want to look at mcmap, it had stuff to automatically parse out the protocol from the dev wiki 23:21:06 which is a more convenient, albeit hackier approach 23:22:06 elliott: did you develop that as well? 23:22:55 I worked a lot on mcmap, yes (this one: http://github.com/fis/mcmap), though it's originally fizzie's project 23:22:58 it's similarly outdated 23:24:29 elliott: which version of minecraft was it last tested for? 23:25:25 whatever the latest version was in 2012-01-06, presumably 23:25:29 I think they redid the whole protocol or something? 23:25:38 (I hope so, it was an awful protocol) 23:25:54 elliott: variable width with no terminator 23:26:00 good times. 23:28:33 the protocol at least used to assume that running zlib over some data never made it bigger. 23:28:41 or maybe even always made it smaller? 23:28:43 cute, anyway 23:31:18 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:46:18 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:46:41 -!- carado has joined. 23:52:20 -!- iamfishhead has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:53:59 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 23:56:15 journals with social features are kind of cool. i can see that someone in yellowknife and eleven kenyans have read this paper