< 1376352003 729729 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda up < 1376352006 129403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good symbol < 1376352021 768282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: What is that? < 1376352026 397661 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main argument against Haskell seems to be "nobody understands Haskell" < 1376352036 49939 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty up, imo < 1376352041 199986 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: msvc++ mangled name < 1376352045 518370 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of << < 1376352046 530595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is it up < 1376352055 340750 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvc's stupid ass? < 1376352063 9232 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the C guy who's saying "C is simple and uncluttered and fast. Everything else is awful" < 1376352065 338977 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid stupid dumb, my premier insult < 1376352069 768531 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb < 1376352071 991000 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds terrible < 1376352074 149238 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb < 1376352078 192618 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you in this discussion < 1376352089 19972 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, because if I leave it'll end up with C++ < 1376352109 152150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1376352109 352343 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to end up in python and PHP < 1376352130 28708 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway, should i read this book about tajikistan or this one about optics. < 1376352134 969100 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'd have to learn C++! < 1376352402 689452 :dessos_!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1376352573 818089 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@70.72.84.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376352602 430072 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It looks like quite an intense experience, but apparently it will be extremely smooth and comfortable despite of the incredible speeds:" < 1376352616 29615 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376352617 589720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed obvious to me that it's acceleration that counts and not speed < 1376352659 599560 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go with your crazy theories here, newton < 1376352840 19725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything the faster you travel the smoother the ride < 1376352859 302604 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about relativistic effects! < 1376352872 41001 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, guys! < 1376352882 888719 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1376352883 884161 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1376352886 20697 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight TRAITOR < 1376352970 540308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, that's one of them < 1376352991 250130 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of what. the traitors? yes, we must ccarry out a purge. < 1376353021 515009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, one of the relativistic effects < 1376353133 11427 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Excess Flood < 1376353160 281716 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376353842 740766 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not sure I get it (beyond being a shorter ride) < 1376353857 480374 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorter ride inside than outsid < 1376353858 330685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1376354489 62835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1376354566 671167 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aclweb.org/anthology-new/C/C08/C08-2028.pdf good < 1376354615 311407 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god the picture of the actual robots on page 3. amazing < 1376354842 943375 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since the robots are supposed to say stupid things anyway, if they do so by mistake instead of on purpose it can still be funny." < 1376354930 401642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Next, one robot uses a proverb or saying in < 1376354930 601963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese, along the lines of “Recently my life has < 1376354930 602149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :felt like ’jack of all trades, master of none’, you < 1376354930 602264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :know.” The other robot then makes a vulgar joke < 1376354930 602373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by modifying this, perhaps like “For me it has been < 1376354932 922892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like ’jacking off all trades, masturbate none’, < 1376354935 481496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say.”." < 1376355006 321432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the joke is that there's nothing to get, hth < 1376355052 222295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope these routines are funnier in the original Japanese < 1376355752 491931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The main merits of the Robovie-i are that < 1376355753 681818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easily programmable, cheap, and cute." < 1376355824 342376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/12/20_injured_at_lg_smartphone_giveaway_as_pr_stunt_turns_sour/ wow, this was a terrible idea < 1376355842 140484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's release balloons with coupons for free phones. nobody is going to show up with bb guns and shoot at them" < 1376355867 221754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahahaha < 1376355891 952104 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"knives on sticks" < 1376355926 453386 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey americans do any of you have experience with i-9 < 1376355928 832039 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i;m a baby < 1376355954 192483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the form that proves you can work in the US? < 1376355961 842032 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376355966 402439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i've filled out a few I-9s in my day, what's up < 1376355985 62203 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just, do i seriously need to get my dad to mail me my birth certificate. < 1376356004 581970 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, that lady really has a polearm < 1376356023 173123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need a birth certificate < 1376356032 491952 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove that i'm a true blooded american < 1376356044 390531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1376356059 87278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just used a passport i think < 1376356073 612020 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darned foreigners < 1376356090 776350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a us passport < 1376356100 692149 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darned foreigner-sympathisizers < 1376356149 699138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are a bunch of different things that you can use < 1376356167 543090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a US passport too < 1376356167 743471 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i have a table and they all involve mailing sensitive documents, so i wanna moan < 1376356209 454904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to mail it < 1376356222 222622 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to get it mailed to me. < 1376356271 796206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have any of the things in LIST A? < 1376356293 735042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably LIST B isn't so hard, or is it?? < 1376356303 302058 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need list b and list c, if you don't have list a. < 1376356315 181984 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything on list a is irrelevant to me other than a passport, which i don't have because: baby. < 1376356334 389759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo get a passport < 1376356368 876612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway do you have some kind of id? < 1376356396 951933 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sure. but not list c. < 1376356415 31577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess likely would be a social security card or birth certificate < 1376356420 563660 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1376356485 832725 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1376356521 913737 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to get a passport I would need a SS card or whatever. Also doesn't it take like a couple months to get, and money. < 1376356540 364118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't have one of those either? < 1376356558 873181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need them for things < 1376356560 393002 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an ss card. but not with me. < 1376356626 402352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is scanning it enough < 1376356673 694283 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1376356739 46339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some internet page says "The employer (or representative) must personally review original documents only. Photocopies (including fax copies) or numbers representing original documents are not acceptable. The only exception to the photocopy rule is a certified copy of a birth certificate." < 1376356780 397691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's just as much trouble < 1376356788 482465 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can stop, shachaf. i just wanted to moan at the void. < 1376356805 907347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo get a passport < 1376356822 306231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise how will you go to finland < 1376356839 524190 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :underground railroad < 1376357254 312379 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, really, Canada. < 1376357682 986148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1376359814 839999 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1376360568 788413 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1376360942 758104 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@70.72.84.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1376361280 468736 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1376361681 174574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I sleep? < 1376361753 883682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clowns will eat you < 1376361775 174194 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little known fact that I am poisonous to clowns < 1376361782 324265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all clowns know it < 1376361805 14470 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1376361842 834784 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1376362010 424197 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clown tried to eat me once and he died right on the spot < 1376362015 966316 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've been staying away since < 1376362017 255114 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1376362040 825564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Step into the future! Click here to switch to the beta php.net site" < 1376362084 67152 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekmett scares me sometimes < 1376362100 243452 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekmett is our lord and savior < 1376362184 13269 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekmett is Jesusaurus Rex? < 1376362627 701305 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1376363646 786182 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376365076 25699 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1376365553 947728 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1376365582 624695 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376366405 682031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....erk < 1376366429 100502 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having trouble with the non-identity compression algorithms that compress some files make some files larger thing < 1376366444 296047 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn pigeonhole principle. DEAL WITH IT PIGEONS. < 1376366458 436053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What trouble do you have? < 1376366489 258930 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 bit files = 16 files, but there are 15 files that are smaller than that, so just one file could be left alone as a 4 bit file while the other 4 bit files get compressed. So no files end up larger. < 1376366512 697091 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: why are you compressing four-bit files < 1376366525 296363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an example as I try to explain this stuff on Reddit < 1376366549 746223 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: consider the behavior on 1-bit, 2-bit, 3-bit files < 1376366562 256354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem here is you're considering "the original size of the file" as part of the compressed information < 1376366565 886231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you don't actually know? < 1376366578 386669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you're assuming the original file is 4 bits < 1376366599 76297 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that if you're only compressing 4 bit files you can indeed get lossless shrinkage-or-equality < 1376366626 619659 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution to disk space: specialize gzip for every possible file size < 1376366630 797816 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one easy method would be stripping leading zeroes < 1376366662 596014 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the decompressor has to know that it should only get four-bit files. < 1376366708 136198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this reminds me of like, the problem of universal codes < 1376366713 36537 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with golomb codes < 1376366726 886922 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need a universal code you need to signal not only the bits in the code, but how long the code is < 1376366744 925841 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scandalous. < 1376366761 925844 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like golomb codes do it with something like "111 0 110" < 1376366772 937226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual code is "0110" but the 1s are there to signal how long the code is? < 1376366778 576028 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really 7 bits < 1376366789 687927 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the length has to include itself, eh < 1376366819 736730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1376366828 377242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1376366862 89482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you tell where the length stops < 1376366899 456589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0 < 1376366917 276617 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1376366919 130590 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that? < 1376366921 296259 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1376366923 899300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1376366927 336512 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was 111 as in seven. < 1376366930 286341 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so counting from 0 the codes are like < 1376366934 231370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that because Bike said that < 1376366950 61423 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the deceiver < 1376366952 86370 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 100, 101, 11000, 11001, 11010, 11011 ... < 1376366957 166450 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... < 1376366979 898518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a better way of encoding the length if it's big < 1376366986 362935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example encode the length of the length using that metho < 1376367005 36273 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could design a different coding scheme optimized towards a different distribution of input values? < 1376367010 266508 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would increase decoding time, though. < 1376367038 697104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if your input values are random between 0 and 1023, you just use a 10 bit code < 1376367063 707866 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they're biased towards 0 you could use shorter codes for smaller things at the cost of longer codes for bigger things? < 1376367073 247239 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1376367196 605265 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_omega_coding < 1376367235 242698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, I was thinking along those lines. < 1376367237 778277 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1376367261 819299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not really worth it past a small constant number of logarithms, though. < 1376367313 813237 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delta coding is visibly better than gamma coding but past that the difference is minimal. < 1376367339 416185 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The encoding for a googol to the hundredth power, 10^10000, is 33243 bits long; under Elias delta coding, the same number is 33250 bits long.' < 1376367518 726137 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length "a googol") * (logBase 2 (length ['\0'..])) < 1376367519 736820 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Types.Int) < 1376367519 937276 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1376367525 656765 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak < 1376367549 517206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> genericLength "a googol" * logBase 2 (genericLength ['\0'..]) < 1376367550 746296 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1376367556 215763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, genericLength < 1376367570 917673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fromIntegral.length) is much better unless you're using lazy naturals. < 1376367571 916234 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorter than (fromIntegral.length) < 1376367592 806930 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed better in that rare case, too < 1376367601 350375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((fromIntegral.length) "a googol") * (logBase 2 ((fromIntegral.length) ['\0'..])) < 1376367603 428123 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 160.6997027300027 < 1376367646 896144 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elias delta is clearly insufficient < 1376367900 717353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNU AWK documentation has a section named "Undocumented Options and Features" which is intentionally left blank. < 1376367981 436371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This section unintentionally left blank. < 1376368024 712836 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your thoughts on idealism < 1376368182 300102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of idealism? < 1376368206 876744 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This section unintentionally useful. < 1376368253 58891 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :berkleyan < 1376368300 467506 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1376368687 740110 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1376369052 919626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a file into the Uselessness RPG 1 wiki for creating a backup copy. Please tell me if it is OK? < 1376369131 20713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the file: http://hackiki.org/wiki/raw/bin/uselessness_rpg_1,,create_backup < 1376369392 339733 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1376369713 812057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was broken; now it is fixed. < 1376370084 859285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1376371793 790217 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1376371821 71488 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376374731 35631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please collaboration/discussion of ideas/plans of Uselessness RPG 1 (anyone is welcome to write a comment on it). < 1376376431 664388 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1376376903 87768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think of the lamport signature scheme < 1376377045 637638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lamport signature looks like it could help some things. < 1376377069 675303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which things? < 1376377104 739455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few things are described on Wikipedia. < 1376377154 30316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if you only need to sign it once, or you could use Merkle tree < 1376377168 177691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merkle trees are great < 1376377195 605688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk < 1376377458 43440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks like there may be other advantages too, in some cases. < 1376377574 312991 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1376377795 887342 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1376378985 379079 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376379182 740013 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1376379531 187671 :itsy!~digital_w@31.185.185.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376379600 402971 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1376379998 195282 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376380992 902932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1376381550 870581 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376383038 302388 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1376383169 254336 :Guest67780!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1376383581 982443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376384088 322496 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1376384461 330952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ In the name "Windows CE," the letters "CE" are not an abbreviation for anything, but rather they imply a number of the precepts around which Windows CE is designed, including "Compact," Connectable," Compatible," "Companion," and "Efficient." ]] < 1376384471 171065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Found while Googling for what the "RT" is for.) < 1376384674 573708 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the RT for < 1376384885 150179 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rarely Tested"? < 1376385006 537398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's officially for nothing in particular, but unofficially perhaps it stands for Windows Runtime (WinRT), the thing that "Windows 8 style" apps are written against. < 1376386405 769049 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1376386647 918405 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1376388104 693830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I think MATLAB (or some subpart of it) just managed to create a file named "C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt" in the current directory. < 1376388195 2713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's one of those programs where you enable debug logging by creating a directory. (And also one that hardcodes backslashes.) < 1376388401 668594 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's matlab? < 1376388426 95223 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's firefox. < 1376388462 607411 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the one in my home directory at work is timestamped at around the time I used an X-forwarded firefox there this morning. < 1376388571 449591 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376388875 466721 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1376389430 380008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was MATLAB's help browser this time. < 1376389441 618339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it was in the directory where I started MATLAB (and nothing else) from. < 1376389484 210593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably uses some form of web browser internally, though. < 1376389684 901643 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1376389986 68654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another MATLAB weirdness: it only shows the splash but doesn't start if I run "matlab &", but it starts normally if I run "matlab", wait for the desktop to appear, then ^z and bg it. < 1376390032 441692 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1376390127 704019 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1376390390 877298 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1376390434 540582 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1376390434 815042 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1376390435 85804 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxioqercdsurgoua QUIT :*.net *.split < 1376390435 85966 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1376391833 475791 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1376391837 427666 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opqpynmcbksowkah JOIN :#esoteric < 1376392393 92144 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376392427 519703 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1376392440 99226 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376393259 671122 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1376394010 491773 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376394421 874274 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1376394422 138934 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1376394910 59032 :Tefaj!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de NICK :Jafet < 1376394929 439629 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1376394929 695355 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376395002 646299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1376395027 94106 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376395194 34014 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1376395252 390128 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1376396530 967470 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1376397700 455064 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1376397874 16791 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376398310 903640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376398320 780732 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376398740 401417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good liquefied morning! < 1376399172 384370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent close to an hour trying to figure out why this model is doing nothing, only to realize that I had mixed up the meanings of 'y' and 'x' when loading data. < 1376399420 120111 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still deep into ML? < 1376399613 720463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. One of our reviewers wanted a better baseline (to some "competiting" method), so I guess I'll have to implement something, even if it really isn't the point of the paper. < 1376399696 257895 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck. I hate the term baseline, and even moreso when it concerns ML. < 1376399742 60697 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prof I worked for was obsessed with a baseline. I never knew which baseline he was talking about. < 1376399870 539206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have the "standard" setup, a demonstrated feature enhancement dealie that's been published and benchmarked in other work, and (the main contribution here) a new trick that improves things, but reviewer #3 wants this paper to show also performance gains compared to completely different approaches, or otherwise there's "insufficient motivation for such a detailed study", or some-such. < 1376399898 463735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reviewers #1 and #2, on the other hand, would like some extended analysis of the trick in question.) < 1376399911 576740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peer review in action can be a pretty ugly thing. < 1376400128 72031 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the stories I've heard, academia scares me. < 1376400418 693626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so much "in" it -- e.g., I have this graduate school funding thing going on, so I don't have much if at all to do with the stereotypical incessant writing of grant applications -- so I wouldn't know. < 1376400526 598105 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if being a grad student is the same the world over... < 1376400565 150131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There certainly have been a number of parallels to phdcomics.com. < 1376400760 127706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, SDL 2.0 is out. < 1376400859 917066 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet :D < 1376400870 575977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been quite a while. < 1376400894 115900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Simple 2D rendering API that can use Direct3D, OpenGL, OpenGL ES, or software rendering behind the scenes" it's like so this millennium now. < 1376400973 111096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki.libsdl.org: "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems." < 1376401227 911469 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1376403741 911413 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376403744 697931 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1376404447 653127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanello. < 1376404580 631272 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaurgh. I have a colleague who prefixes his privmsgs with «@nick ...». < 1376404723 855400 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's alright < 1376404724 918530 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1376404726 414751 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, "/msg boily @boily hi" < 1376404729 921594 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Private messages? =P < 1376404824 815772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just generic IRC PRIVMSG, so something like: < 1376404831 732773 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Roujo hi. < 1376404831 997335 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1376406224 347450 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list for lambdabot's unknown commands? < 1376406261 767906 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unknown < 1376406262 61026 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1376406267 953339 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unknown command < 1376406268 210283 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1376406271 501820 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :@!list < 1376406271 755627 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1376406280 880839 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd < 1376406316 948321 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lisp < 1376406317 205893 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1376406322 63795 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yisp < 1376406322 323998 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1376406333 596629 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got fuzzy matching < 1376406336 206470 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yispo < 1376406336 458209 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1376406428 86408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck yispo < 1376406428 86525 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1376407084 600683 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1376407099 433687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1376407385 890685 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnothelloTest, hezzo38. < 1376407422 565400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems a strange way. < 1376407515 899914 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my kobo doesn't seem to charge... < 1376408187 447865 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@192.147.44.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376408400 818110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still cannot connect to *.foxpaws.net < 1376408478 372271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works here. it redirects to vulpes.foxpaws.net at 96.10.18.3. < 1376408514 436847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I cannot connect to any server under .foxpaws.net on any port number. < 1376408535 268967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I cannot send a message to them or whatever. < 1376408551 470449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the proxy doesn't work either) < 1376408590 115517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. foxpaws resolves to what IP on your end? < 1376408644 340483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as it does to you < 1376408645 861754 :Guest67780!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1376408669 266385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I cannot connect to other servers under foxpaws.net either. < 1376408725 245441 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example of a not vulpes host? < 1376408759 620325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is vixen and watchfox; neither of those work either. < 1376408785 109395 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it doesn't work indeed. < 1376408810 793370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No port number works as far as I can see. < 1376408978 667192 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just nmapped the thing. the usual ports are open (ssh, smtp, ident, ...). do you want the XML log? < 1376409011 15252 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now, how do I send a file through weechat...) < 1376409034 284968 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376409127 808713 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1376409273 643878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good, but I was trying to connect to port 8889; I tried other ports afterward to see if those would work, but they don't; so I cannot write a message at all (or read a message, but I was trying to write one). And one of the messages I was trying to write involves defects of the system (I put it in all one file so that I can just send the URL), but it appears too defective to do that. < 1376409290 67757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And none of the ports you mention work for me on any of those three servers. < 1376409552 26438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when it was working, the session sometimes restarted for apparently no reason, usually while on the chat menu but sometimes even before that. < 1376409636 293464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of fungotian servers are they? their purpose are very mysterious, and their operation a little bit too flaky. < 1376409636 548348 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they say that having polymorph control won't shock you sooner or later. his symbol is the haste that ye hurry by? brother, i hear it: to have been man's first instructors in the wild beast short. that was noble and great and small, has a certain ring to it, without incurring any fine or other penalty." the bushmen say that nethack is more pleasant than cram,' they answered. ' imp' properly means a small time they will st < 1376409979 920553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing a MUD game on there once, but I stopped due to the large number of defects in the system (and because I couldn't find the society/gods I wanted to select; someone told me to type all about it, so I did), and later I tried to reconnect to send messages relating to these things, and to access the help files, but I can't because it doesn't work. < 1376410023 370086 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1376410648 181760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And one of the things I wanted to tell them is that it doesn't work) < 1376410714 732765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work for you? < 1376410972 767278 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1376411203 21908 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376411345 923452 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1376413026 376732 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376413112 289149 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, went out to lunch. < 1376413179 526649 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you want me to check again? < 1376413189 973610 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah I now own a 3DS < 1376413241 586778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Well, I wanted to send a message to them; one to "Foxbird" and one to "Priest of Old God" or something like that. < 1376413364 548249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice subtitling: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130813-ok-intro.png "4k intro" => "ok-intro". (Sorry for the Finnish.) < 1376413542 789737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen? < 1376413600 917182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they used SPEECH RECOGNITION. (Pre-empting elliott here.) < 1376413626 714457 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: looks like I'm in the same situation as you. nothing apart vulpes.foxpaws.net works. «Erreur de chargement de la page ― La connexion a échoué» < 1376413647 846462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that a pun between “4” and “o”, or just poor subtitlement? < 1376413650 630809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that mean in English? < 1376413659 606982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The latter, I think. < 1376413699 356354 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376413704 33077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be poor even if s/ok/4k/ < 1376413881 943290 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1376413908 517947 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376414005 278840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1376414072 414560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Rust runtime library is written in Rust now < 1376414079 874973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty cool, and more interesting than a self-hosting compiler imo < 1376414099 225129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it is better than a self-hosting compiler, too. < 1376414112 870760 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-212-106.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376414115 683251 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not self-hosting until the whole stack is using the language, from the compiler to the OS." < 1376414123 868488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ya figgure < 1376414160 332649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any suggestions for good backup programs for Linux? Looking for some way to automate incremental backup of the entire system. Previously I just mirrored with rsync, but now I'm looking for something that provides a bit of history as well. < 1376414184 394698 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-168-160.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1376414186 402246 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-212-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power cut :/ < 1376414189 110214 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-212-106.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1376414205 352412 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsync + checkpointing filesystem < 1376414208 413476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git < 1376414241 96177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what checkpointing file systems do Linux support? < 1376414250 846215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is indeed an interesting idea < 1376414256 755207 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZFS, btrfs? < 1376414266 312052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux supports ZFS? Since when? < 1376414267 855321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess snapshotting is the actual term < 1376414272 488674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zfsonlinux.org/ < 1376414279 258402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use a set of scripts built around rdiff-backup; it's pretty much like rsync except it does backwards-diff history on top. < 1376414286 931217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also isn't brtfs in development still? < 1376414306 602181 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duplicity is another thing similar to rdiff-backup, IIRC < 1376414307 471160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also something very much like rdiff-backup, I forget the name.) < 1376414313 449446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's probably what I was thinking of. < 1376414330 441975 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, btrfs is a work in progress, I don't actually know if it does snapshotting yet < 1376414331 801487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm nice, how easy would it be to extract a single file from a given version? Or browse what an old version looked like to try and find a file? < 1376414360 639265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really been needing to do that, so can't say. < 1376414384 544009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest version is easily browseable since it's just there, of course. < 1376414398 968456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1376414413 455524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can ask the command-line tool for "newest before this date" kind of things, sure. < 1376414430 769548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1376414434 269776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I recall so; haven't had the occasion to. < 1376414513 185627 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like duplicity, [rdiff-backup] uses the rsync algorithm for bandwidth and space efficiency, but instead of storing data in encrypted archives, it creates a mirror on the remote system." < 1376414547 298574 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i have to say is: https://github.com/philipl/pifs < 1376414579 593837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1376414615 498825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I'm not the only one to repost the pifs thing :D < 1376414627 509612 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the Tarsnap tools are free < 1376414637 181823 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :) < 1376414651 700084 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: lemme guess /r/math? < 1376414655 447764 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1376414657 528448 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ^ < 1376414684 44659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They said 100% compression was impossible? You're looking at it!" <-- false, the position of the file in pi might take a larger number to express than the file content itself. < 1376414698 545915 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, pifs < 1376414699 6259 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: I don't know what you're talking about. any evidence of me spending way too much time on reddit is false. < 1376414701 894932 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you are completely right. < 1376414710 187400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just store the position in pifs as well < 1376414710 427603 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I posted that in here yesterday < 1376414714 390622 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to metasepia "the bot did it!" < 1376414728 939065 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hehe.. i like reddit for the archives. if you unsub from the overcrowded subs then reddit is pretty palitable < 1376414735 56503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I apply the pidgin hole principle. < 1376414736 639168 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (And if that takes too much space store the position of that in pifs etc, recursively) < 1376414768 164697 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But then you also have to store the number of recursions you've done =P < 1376414770 901156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: indeed. I still do like todayilearned, mind you. I just have this insatiable urge to consume random trivia. < 1376414784 83686 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ideally, store that into pifs as well) < 1376414788 936716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: Just shove it all in pifs, it's free after all < 1376414808 645060 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah, reddit is a goldmine in its archives. thats mostly where i hang around in.. lol < 1376414811 434954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you would need to store for each iteration then if it was the file or if it was another address. < 1376414846 444465 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pifs has some serious security problems with people all using the same constant. the government has direct access to everything you wrote, you're writing or might write! < 1376414859 861482 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way the 100% compression is facetious < 1376414864 798752 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just to be different you can store that info in √2fs < 1376414874 387988 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, quite so < 1376414877 420807 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, but separating that from the random crap is pretty much a lost cause < 1376414877 655014 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh yeah < 1376414907 971796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I believe efs would work too < 1376414911 310288 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggestion: Finding the binary representation of some CP picture in pi, then suing everyone who has a copy. < 1376414936 832026 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I nearly forked pifs just to make that pun =P < 1376414941 799002 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at work, though, so I didn't < 1376414945 589894 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: EFS already exists (actually there are many of them) < 1376414965 287892 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, question. what can we know about the relation between a sequence and its position in pi (assuming it's normal)? like, are the length of the sequence and the length of its position comparable? < 1376414980 22639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think I heard the name before for a normal file system < 1376415004 994772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: where do you work? < 1376415006 27148 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently using rieserfs, liking it very much.. < 1376415006 265018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, comparable how? < 1376415014 598232 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny using a murderers fs.. :) < 1376415015 561814 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is one necessarily shorter, say < 1376415020 112551 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmer at Dicom Express, sur Côte-de-Liesse < 1376415027 394103 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ @boily < 1376415033 248057 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shiny! < 1376415035 551482 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i think so, yeayh < 1376415037 279528 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah < 1376415050 33756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A murderers fs? < 1376415073 106971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, really? I would have guessed that sometimes one would be longer and sometimes the other one would be longer. < 1376415080 123238 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Murder_investigation < 1376415094 193505 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah, but on average < 1376415106 71309 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on average which is shorter? < 1376415108 164031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#[test] #[ignore(cfg(windows))] #[should_fail] fn select_doesnt_get_trolled() { select::>([]); } < 1376415115 914817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, on average they would be of similar lengths probably? < 1376415131 678555 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on average i'm p. sure they're the same < 1376415156 667500 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of normal is that a sequence of length n in base b has probability b^-n < 1376415222 323990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the people who made that program is a murderer, the program itself isn't a murderer so that doesn't make it wrong < 1376415233 272223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Even if the people who made that program is a murderer, the program itself isn't a murderer so that doesn't make it wrong < 1376415241 328703 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1090) Even if the people who made that program is a murderer, the program itself isn't a murderer so that doesn't make it wrong < 1376415251 450316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use γfs < 1376415263 725708 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i know. its a good piece of software. just an interesting bit of history < 1376415278 248379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: OK < 1376415288 378542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the murder directly caused the end of development on reiserfs 4 < 1376415300 522492 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i mean if i took some offence to it i wouldnt be using it.. :) < 1376415311 332373 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offense* < 1376415335 855674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :reiserfs isn't bad because the lead devloper later went on to murder his wife. That is irrelevant to the file system. It is bad because of the various problems the file system has, such as recovering data from a damaged reiserfs having various issues < 1376415352 447645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, that can be how it is. < 1376415356 60215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems that it's not known whether the euler-mascheroni constant is even irrational < 1376415359 196060 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even try Vorpal < 1376415366 86874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used reiserfs back when it was the only journaling file system (back during 2.4 or 2.2 I think?) < 1376415366 567685 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is streets ahead of you < 1376415373 609145 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: interesting, i didnt know about that. I've heard its journaling system is pretty good though. any links? < 1376415375 245657 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yeah, it's kind of weird < 1376415376 973112 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.242.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376415395 129543 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :euler-mascheroni is a p. good constant < 1376415415 830382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ++ < 1376415417 761199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh yeah, he has a far more eloquent way of expressing what I just said. ;) < 1376415434 269970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez just don't damage your filesystem < 1376415435 960928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem < 1376415458 8955 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the best part is how it sounds a bit like pasta < 1376415463 43406 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes indeed. < 1376415465 567108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wasn't there issues with storing a reiserfs in a loop image on a reiserfs iirc < 1376415471 540683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that was funny < 1376415476 772777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, might have been for file system recovery only, I don't remember < 1376415482 758962 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we don't know if khinchin's constant is irrational either < 1376415489 625900 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is way weirder than not knowing about e-m, imo < 1376415498 921220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :khinchin's constant is the weirdest < 1376415522 86165 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1376415528 798906 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amazed that that is a thing < 1376415550 493396 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1376415555 719118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the aliens are transmitting on hydrogen times K_0 instead of hydrogen times pi < 1376415572 927134 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Among the numbers whose geometric mean of the coefficients ai in the continued fraction expansion apparently (based on numerical evidence) tends to Khinchin's constant are π, the Euler–Mascheroni constant γ, and Khinchin's constant itself. However, none of these limits has been rigorously established, even though it is known that almost all real numbers have this property." < 1376415585 191694 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal numbers all over again < 1376415591 623737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1376415658 291119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is hydrogen times K_0 and those stuff? < 1376415722 429513 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in i think Contact (?) the aliens transmit information over the frequency of the spectral line of hydrogen times pi, or something < 1376415737 72191 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1089 < 1376415738 576027 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1089) <+kmc> Harry Potter and the Tyranny of Structurelessness < 1376415785 654237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what Bike said < 1376415838 236497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental whatever frequency of hydrogen is a good universal time/frequency reference, except that the universe is mostly made of hydrogen and your signals will get absorbed < 1376415846 523594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so multiply it by a unitless fundamental mathematical constant < 1376415907 5230 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as khinchin's or lévy's < 1376415940 418884 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to a misunderstanding it ends up being transmitted at hydrogen * the ratio of a foot to a meter < 1376415950 366532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1376415959 902099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it make more sense to simply double it or something. I suspect the electronics would be easier for that. < 1376415961 690992 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol! < 1376415961 967628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hydrogen * pied < 1376415980 66248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2 is a unitless fundamental mathematical constant, don't you think ;) < 1376415989 421093 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: still would have probably been absorbed < 1376415991 941450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I meant, as opposed to pi < 1376415998 386519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD, oh? < 1376416000 471989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did I < 1376416004 857454 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just my guess :) < 1376416008 761716 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 is a fundamental mathematical constant :iiam: < 1376416069 308219 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well actually at 1420.40575177 MHz, probably not < 1376416083 188749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also how many decimal places of pi are you multiplying the frequency with? Depending on that you would get slightly different frequencies < 1376416085 148589 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? iiam < 1376416086 634152 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiam? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1376416087 129981 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           | < 1376416087 365946 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         o/`¯º < 1376416090 378585 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck iiam < 1376416090 667052 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1376416098 642995 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is an iiam? < 1376416099 799494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depends on the bandwidth of the signal, I guess < 1376416101 545834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are sending on a narrow enough band that would cause an issue < 1376416105 970650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376416134 482864 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc, also how many decimal places of pi are you multiplying the frequency with? Depending on that you would get slightly different frequencies < 1376416139 193819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an analogue signal you idiot < 1376416154 671726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, " If you are sending on a narrow enough band that would cause an issue" < 1376416159 399395 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that necessary phantom < 1376416166 326455 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with vorpal? yes < 1376416178 117201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a dick < 1376416194 464916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I would probably generate pi digitally < 1376416208 699386 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe i should read some khinchin, as long as i'm doing commie maths < 1376416239 830333 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Khinchin graduated from the university in 1916 and six years later he became a full professor there, retaining that position until his death [in 1959]" tenure sure is crazy < 1376416242 547344 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of generating pi AND continued fractions; one of my favorate mathematicians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan < 1376416248 471185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if indirectly, e.g. to position the laser which cuts the crystal to have hydrogen * pi frequency < 1376416259 911493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any cool analog ways to compute pi, by the way? < 1376416272 515846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the thing where you throw sticks at a grid lattice < 1376416273 383311 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes Bike with an interesting frequency profile “WHAT IS AN IIAM???!!!!11!!!!one!!!!” < 1376416278 926905 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what do you mean by compute i guess < 1376416279 573397 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baking one then measuring it? < 1376416286 265047 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, how would you modulate your signal once you have the frequency btw? AM? FM? PSK? Or something else? < 1376416289 285931 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i'd just.... "hey, here, a circle" < 1376416327 8147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in _Contant_ the basic carrier / get-your-attention signal is on-off-keying of the first n prime numbers in unary < 1376416333 271335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Contact_* < 1376416336 341595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty reasonable < 1376416342 398489 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could, like, wrap a string around a circle < 1376416347 802669 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376416358 987144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true >_< < 1376416360 248147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that seems like a really inefficient modulation < 1376416366 826303 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated: i always mentally compare contact with his master's voice, where the get-your-intention is just repetition < 1376416367 56916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any data transfer that is < 1376416391 391359 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they harvest neutrino spin data to make random numbers and somebody who wanted random complains when the sequence starts repeating < 1376416392 708316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure; once they notice your signal, you can expect them to put in more effort to decode a second, more efficient form of modulation < 1376416417 83556 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or neutrino... something... i don't know physics < 1376416468 787592 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: background radiation is usually a pretty good RNG: http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/hardware3.html < 1376416492 357472 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, the fact they're getting a repetitive signal out of something that's usually a RNG is what kicks off the plot. < 1376416513 757103 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's caused by ~aliens~ (probably) < 1376416523 614039 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book's a lot more pessimistic than contact, really. < 1376416544 412155 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ooh, i didnt know that was from the movie < 1376416545 43 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book also called contact < 1376416578 901562 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am talking about a book that is not contact < 1376416597 305325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stefangeens.com/2005/04/talking-to-aliens-part-iii-khinchins-constant-source-of-wonder/ what do you think of the last few paragraphs here < 1376416668 667682 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is so special about K? It is one of the very few numbers capable of giving the driest of mathematical texts exclamatory hiccups." heh! < 1376416694 415977 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :continued fractions are weird. they're pretty cool but not really used that much i think < 1376416722 455735 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah and Ramanujan was the master of continued fractions < 1376416740 371745 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: too bad he died so young.. < 1376416810 78904 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ramanujan's series for # converges extraordinarily rapidly (exponentially) and forms the basis of some of the fastest algorithms currently used to calculate #. Truncating the sum to the first term also gives the approximation 9801\sqrt{2}/4412 for #, which is correct to six decimal places." < 1376416824 183778 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# == pi < 1376416826 193067 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's # < 1376416836 716853 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its copied from the wiki page about hit < 1376416838 675897 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :him* < 1376416883 769314 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite ramanujanisms are the iterated root things, probably because i can actually understand them < 1376416935 955422 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it called? < 1376416980 459220 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's "nested" for some reason < 1376416998 704149 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_radical#Some_identities_of_Ramanujan e.g. < 1376417021 631995 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also infinitely nested radicals, which is what i was thinking of < 1376417054 561259 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "What does this imply? It implies that the sequence of whole numbers that describes K, [...] is simultaneously described by K" i dunno about this, as descriptions go i'd usually expect a one to one mapping not a one to everything mapping < 1376417071 28642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1376417102 181080 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, K "describes" real numbers (with probability one) by this meaning < 1376417108 629587 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really what i'd think "describes" as meaning. < 1376417197 216770 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that K might not be a good choice, i just don't think it as obviously signifies self-reference as the author seems to think < 1376417222 494668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me either < 1376417268 83528 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, i dunno, there's a lot of speculative xenopsychology you have to do here, that ties in uncomfortably with philosophy of mathematics, and we really don't have any other data on understanding of math but in humans < 1376417280 778285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard sort of waving your hands and saying "strange loop!" < 1376417289 560001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about the only thing you can do with the "strange loop" concept, fun though it is < 1376417294 106080 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1376417309 909472 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've kind of been less enamored of hofstadter lately, it's sad < 1376417322 264817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xenopsychology and exo-politics < 1376417341 732713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAASL was a pretty depressing book for me < 1376417342 132948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have any sentient non-humans on this channel? < 1376417349 33172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck IAASL < 1376417349 379745 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1376417349 614940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you sentient? < 1376417349 851667 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they say that a diamond is another kind of great dark worm, but three lefts do. these were the thirteen choosers of the king, by edith hamilton), farma- god ( god of commerce, trade and travellers. he has been a bit of a lion, a thirty-league stretch of potholes and half-buried rocks that spirals around mountains and dips into cool green valleys of citrus trees, crosses liana-webbed gorges on creaking rope bridges and is t < 1376417358 485628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_I Am A Strange Loop_ < 1376417380 480098 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never read iaasl < 1376417382 326357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. thanks for the mentionment. I find that I lack depressing books. < 1376417390 228242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which Hofstadter restates the thesis of GEB but without any of the playfulness < 1376417394 103669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But three lefts do what? < 1376417397 507695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like "damn it you guys didn't get it the first time" < 1376417400 534877 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got fluid analogies but after a while it was just like, why don't you get some evidence instead of making up interesting toys < 1376417400 769188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let me spell it out" < 1376417419 600899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's sad because his wife died < 1376417425 938255 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1376417438 681504 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that puts his harem of beautiful french women in a decidedly harsher light < 1376417440 580869 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the french one was wife-death-centric but pretty good, i think < 1376417452 541888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hofstadter has a harem of beautiful french women? < 1376417463 167665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they say < 1376417466 181837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1376417478 641479 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :french one meaning ton beau, i mean < 1376417479 662954 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`theme RFC < 1376417480 822532 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: theme: not found < 1376417484 520020 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww < 1376417494 580099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i read a little of that book, it seemed pretty cool < 1376417496 628545 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^theme < 1376417502 860298 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^theme RFC < 1376417506 735798 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i thought it was, though i'm monolingual < 1376417508 753443 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1376417508 989965 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1376417509 436437 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELP < 1376417510 393608 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they being some weird hofstadter stalker) < 1376417512 263216 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE WE GO < 1376417513 681911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a quine with FurryScript by now. < 1376417530 654685 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1376417530 890983 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1376417534 2083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how dare you being on-topic. < 1376417558 953736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a quine named mefloquine < 1376417560 680663 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lots of cute stuff about lipograms and serious stuff about the very real difficulties of translation, complete with music analogies < 1376417578 42656 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget if that book got me into Lem but it might have, and if so it's automatically good < 1376417588 971885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think GEB is a good book although my recommendation comes with some qualifiers now < 1376417591 575455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is a mefloquine? < 1376417594 335411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically boil down to "don't take it too seriously" < 1376417598 346722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: an anti-malarial drug < 1376417599 362230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will say this in hofstadter's defence, he's far far better than wolfram < 1376417617 233694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which can cause vivid terrifying dreams as a side effect < 1376417623 890265 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom that's like saying vietnam is better than the khmer rouge < 1376417644 297837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that's fair enough! < 1376417659 196071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain Planet / He's our hero / Gonna take polution / Down to zero / By de-industrializing the planet and killing 90% of the population < 1376417664 923717 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1376417672 106312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes it is better than Wolfram < 1376417678 647004 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frustrating thing about hofstadter for me is basically psychologist's fallacy, because i mean he's not a crank or anything, obviously. < 1376417686 517498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fallacy is that < 1376417705 772026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Godel,Escher,Bach is a very good book; I do not agree with everything written there but I agree some and you can read a book it is good whether or not you agree. < 1376417713 358376 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you take your conscious experience of a mental event to be true of the mental event, and of that sort of mental event in general < 1376417723 749230 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "hm i think with analogies, this must be the basis for cognition" < 1376417728 613190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB is still a great intro to formal metamathematics < 1376417731 538251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :accessible yet precise < 1376417740 690705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of the book is fun if you don't take it too seriously < 1376417741 540249 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely. it's the only one i can think of but still good < 1376417749 724290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, although I think it is a pretty good book in general. < 1376417749 972299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 year old kmc may have taken it too seriously < 1376417755 922976 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe to mock a mockingbird? i haven't read that. < 1376417757 75374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's OK < 1376417762 479704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad i could never really bother reading it < 1376417766 278993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's pretty different stuff i think < 1376417776 695697 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it doesn't cover peano arithmetic, no < 1376417777 458085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what all it covers, whether it gets to Gödel and such < 1376417797 927539 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading “The Quark and the Jaguar”, and being thoroughly confused. < 1376417803 877970 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB's a hard game to top, really, i mean how many math books have won a pulitzer < 1376417810 603574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatory calculus would be a less conventional way to present Gödel etc, for sure < 1376417813 596548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could be done < 1376417838 725302 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :google now has streetview in the tardis < 1376417839 166224 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Mock does go into church numerals at least, so you could present godel in a conventionalish way < 1376417862 461133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have theorems and proofs as strings, though < 1376417869 802127 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. < 1376417872 355817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sure you can encode that in pure lambda calc, but it's kind of ass-backwards < 1376417902 307094 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376417989 101367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quine in FurryScript is a bit based on the GEB so it says "ENIUQ" as the name of a subroutine; but it also takes advantage of a feature of FurryScript; if a template references a subroutine/list that doesn't exist, it will just output the template literally instead. Also, multiple values on the stack at the end have a line break in between; it takes advantage of that too. < 1376418032 273812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since anything on the stack at the end of a FurryScript program that isn't a string will be ignored, a simple program such as "42" will output nothing and isn't a quine. < 1376418052 621739 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite part of GEB is actually one of the pictures, of a cerebrum filled with correct small arithmetic equations, which together form a giant "2+2=5" < 1376418100 341245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes that is good too, but there is things in the book I like it is good in general < 1376418104 651726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2=5 (The lukewarm.) < 1376418117 267973 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good song too < 1376418123 337137 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas hofstadter is not into radiohead. < 1376418141 220014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know? < 1376418162 714166 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ton beau de marot there's an extended analogy relating to how he personally doesn't like rock music < 1376418173 875767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1376418224 402169 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need a hipper, younger, metalhead hofstadter < 1376418231 561259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Open your mind, we need you to fly | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1376418279 908022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radiohead has a lot of songs that aren't "rock music" although that's not particularly one of them < 1376418297 63086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> lunch < 1376418308 476009 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines ledzep cover of Fitter Happier. < 1376418406 461559 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1376418462 681762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need you to fly? < 1376418472 183186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? radiohead < 1376418473 647259 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :radiohead? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1376418473 929137 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                | < 1376418474 175136 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              º¯`\o < 1376418488 855249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn radiohead is "rock music" < 1376418492 196615 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1376418504 819012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open your fly, we need you to mind. < 1376418546 629444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need you to mind? < 1376418600 240996 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In summary, a rational number is perfectly approximated by itself, but is badly approximated by any other rational number." math is deep < 1376418663 23130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Does that really mean anything? < 1376418708 40910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, to me that sounds like a very silly way to express it. < 1376418754 661813 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a summary, i'm reading about diophantine approximation < 1376418770 94369 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck diophantine < 1376418770 595865 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originated or taught by Diophantus, the Greek writer on algebra. < 1376418791 151185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I don't fly, but I did once play a flying character in a computer game (now broken!!), and dream of being like that too once, but I don't fly; I need to open a wing to fly not a mind! < 1376418822 217289 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more formally, say we're approximating p/q by another ratio a/b (such that it's not just a multiple); then abs(a/b - p/q) >= 1/(bq) < 1376418869 896218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, that would be more meaningful, then. < 1376418903 371434 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bad compared to irrationals; for example for an algebraic number x of degree n you have abs(x - p/q) > c(x)/q^n for all p, nonzero q, where c(x) is constant rel. to x < 1376418971 387797 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, apparently if two reals are related by a mobius transform, they have the same continued fraction expansion except for a finite prefix. that's pretty cool imo < 1376419044 286905 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it kinda makes intuitive sense though. < 1376419445 396745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diophantine ducks are the best ducks? < 1376419551 440215 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlewood_conjecture wtf < 1376419679 206907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty weird < 1376421766 930869 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the n it's pretty intuitive, at least < 1376421949 958240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: just use 1-10 like everyone else < 1376421986 455423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1376422012 773244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bathroom reviews < 1376422057 505197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the confuser < 1376422065 612567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what do you think of lamport signatures???? < 1376422073 962025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must know < 1376422076 139721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help you asked about that yesterday and i was going to read about them < 1376422105 264238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do that now < 1376422146 903373 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck lamport signature < 1376422147 196101 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In cryptography, a Lamport signature or Lamport one-time signature scheme is a method for constructing a digital signature. < 1376422152 621720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now reading < 1376422245 238534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, that's not complicated < 1376422255 980744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so nice :) < 1376422257 185054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a zero knowledge proof thing < 1376422270 785718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it uses a committment scheme? (somewhat ad-hoc) < 1376422280 169562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1376422293 638952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-interactive though < 1376422305 248839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1376422451 636977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing where you can only use a key once isn't great. < 1376422457 985117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376422476 161339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use Merkle trees to publish a whole bunch of keys at once (they were invented for this application) < 1376422493 766704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still need to keep track of which ones you've used, which is bad < 1376422521 925874 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come tracking your used keys is bad? < 1376422538 726193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that information gets stale somehow, you will compromise security < 1376422551 327679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want to sign messages from multiple devices < 1376422576 956416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably it would be best to partition your various merkelized one-use keys among the devices ahead of time) < 1376422578 107437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, is there a provably secure authentication thing like a one-time pad are provably secure for encryption < 1376422599 512876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's neat how much engineering there is in cryptography < 1376422607 549747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just high level math I will never understand < 1376422681 335541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know; you should ask ##crypto maybe < 1376422700 700180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could send your message in the clear and also OTP encrypted < 1376422715 821693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the receiver "verifies" by decrypting and comparing < 1376422744 369884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone could tamper with both < 1376422762 320833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the crypto-scares floating on the intarwebs, is there only a single guy out there that can do crypto right? < 1376422771 305535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by xoring both with something < 1376422771 558988 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo schneier, obviously) < 1376422773 530912 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1376422776 277811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah you're right < 1376422781 496729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you send that, you've sent your secret otp key < 1376422789 182212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1376422793 95743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I said is total nonsense < 1376422794 834223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1376423788 282196 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1376423817 209740 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-192-245.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376423865 911340 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-212-106.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1376424385 821118 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376424456 510975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washizu mahjong results in vey different strategies from ordinary mahjong. < 1376424522 760534 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try it? < 1376424548 930666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so there's http://web.mit.edu/6.857/OldStuff/Fall97/lectures/lecture3.pdf < 1376424589 931704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i found that < 1376424812 762748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean, about Washizu mahjong? With most of the tiles being transparent and the way the teams and payment works, it is a very different kind of game. < 1376424924 561865 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, did you play washizu? I'm curious about the strategies involved and the amount of stress and sweating and internal dialog and drama and cliffhangers. < 1376425314 832677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really play mahjong much at all. I have once played at some anime convention, the Washizu mahjong, but other than that I haven't play much except in the computer game "Akagi DS". < 1376425339 743979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But from thinking about the rules, reading manga, and a little bit of playing such a game, I can know how difference it really is. < 1376425542 833194 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1376425589 593096 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376425762 653003 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: guess who found the xenobiology labs at school < 1376425917 542739 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike is a kid in the candy store :3 < 1376426020 866501 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "a two-tiered approach to assessing the habitability of exoplanets" < 1376426024 454678 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22017274 < 1376426024 654743 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: A two-tiered approach to assessing the habitabi... [Astrobiology. 2011] - Pub... < 1376426049 273122 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a giant board of research on positrons < 1376426113 123336 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a positron plushie. < 1376426115 43867 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also whatever the heck this is http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7451968 < 1376426529 380759 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1376426561 219682 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1376426818 339536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trumpet ♪* http://www.particlezoo.net/individual_pages/shop_positron.html *trumpet ♪* < 1376427844 405310 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.andrewt.net/blog/wp-content/old/map8.jpg < 1376427858 406030 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a big fan of greenland being sucked into the void. < 1376427885 635375 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. not the actual place. greenland is cool. < 1376428120 414284 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1376428132 616559 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1376428157 712006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes the void left by lambdabot < 1376428170 478867 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is some disorienting map. < 1376428258 365628 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mercator projections are great, apparnetly. < 1376428279 675088 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1376428349 266545 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376428361 426036 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1376428392 482444 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1376428924 536053 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go see small pixelised characters attack other small pixelised characters. < 1376428927 845279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1376428930 40588 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1376429084 199931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1376429299 934168 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376429680 236779 :ottianna!~canaima@186.88.100.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376429709 356952 :ottianna!~canaima@186.88.100.199 PART :#esoteric < 1376430713 992153 :atrapado!~dd@95.169.242.185 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1376430971 88062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do collaboration to make up some computer game, do you want to do so? Is it good so far what I put in myself? < 1376430988 545571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have you put in yourself so far? < 1376431004 528033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you look at it? It is too long to write in this IRC. < 1376431023 159487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find it? < 1376431056 591230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I case you forgot, here it is: http://hackiki.org/wiki/uselessness_rpg_1,,main < 1376431078 51375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot? I've never seen that before. < 1376431107 798776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't matter whether or not you have ever seen it before; if you don't remember now, then I can tell you. < 1376431254 451402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can I make an unofficial sequel and call it "Uselessness RPG 1.5"? < 1376431270 9080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Vorpal you're not the Vorpal who is playing r/nommit, are you? i am assuming not but cannot resist asking. < 1376431284 205554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott to fix lambdabot < 1376431285 865297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you want to, I suppose you can. < 1376431288 368968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would be more efficient if lambdabot were here < 1376431309 739408 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you saying there's a game of NOMIC currently running on REDDIT? < 1376431318 353497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If only everyone logread, @ask would be unnecessary! < 1376431334 9722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: sure, also it's discussed some in ##nomic < 1376431342 319057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But before the sequel, we should make up the actual game, anyways. See the files listed there, and if you have anything to add or any comments, you can also add it on there yourself if you have OpenID < 1376431369 843509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's ok it's probably fate trying to prevent me from getting the question through to Vorpal < 1376431399 609429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: they also just advertised on the agora lists < 1376431410 138377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://hackiki.org/wiki/uselessness_rpg_1,,map_encoding is a broken link. < 1376431420 679344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know; I didn't write all of the files yet. < 1376431437 138799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe you can answer my question: Why does (<|>) :: f a -> f a -> f a, while (<*>) :: f a -> f b -> f (a,b)? < 1376431449 88791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can turn (<|>) into f a -> f b -> f (Either a b) if you want < 1376431464 817233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't make an equivalent untyped version of (<*>). < 1376431477 269416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ignore the fact that (<*>) is actually :: f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b.) < 1376431504 929360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <*> you described (which isn't the real one) is more like what I called "liftPair" < 1376431506 609353 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I keep trying to convince myself that I follow what's going on on the agora list < 1376431596 189178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the other files OK though? < 1376431610 271351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am writing the map encodings now) < 1376431627 729884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it was "just" as in slightly earlier today, though. < 1376431628 223992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. The website is very slow. < 1376431710 61020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is Gregor's job; not mine. (You can also download a backup of all of the files if you like to do that; it outputs a shell script which will recreate all of the files, including the program for making the backups.) < 1376431792 169257 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was busy socializing < 1376431806 496858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now a short part of the "map_encoding" file is written. < 1376432424 674113 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1376432483 861827 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1376432847 670829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like these kind of unusual ideas? < 1376433052 61044 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1376433402 682225 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't like how the game is written in Z-machine < 1376433413 831961 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.141.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it hard to collaborate < 1376433459 638106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Well, I suppose it doesn't make it *easy* to collaborate, but this is in wiki so I mean collaborate in wiki; this would be done regardless of the system it is written in. < 1376433540 441415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore nobody (other than myself) needs to do anything special due to being Z-machine. < 1376433755 152475 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can download a backup that will output a script that will recreate the program that makes the backups? < 1376433765 414148 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soudns complicated and circular < 1376433765 692566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Yes. < 1376433794 463591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really so complicated; the program that makes the backups just happens to be a file like any other, so that is why it does that. < 1376433856 660651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: If you try then you can see how it works. < 1376433874 321706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But three lefts do what? <-- make a right, in the usual joke < 1376433875 492658 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will < 1376433902 154522 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you tell me that it's all z-code and I don't want to download the z-machine thing < 1376433936 593081 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried Inform 7 and I found it incredibly bad < 1376433938 593178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: There isn't any Z-machine file of this game yet, anyways. But the backup program is just a shell script anyways, not Z-machine. It is plain text so it will display inline. < 1376433958 222701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Inform 7 either, but it isn't the only programming language for Z-machine; I am using Frolg, which I wrote myself. < 1376433970 933115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone in here mentioned the "grep ''" trick; I used that in the backup script. < 1376433976 232682 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that's the problem there < 1376434029 513718 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive fiction isn't something new and it should be easy to do < 1376434045 973645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no need for anyone other than myself to know the programming language used since I will program it myself; but the collaboration would be for the planning/ideas. < 1376434061 905488 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simple fact that you would find it more convenient to write your own language than to use one that already exists shows how bad things are < 1376434067 542797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well as such things as music and graphics, but this game doesn't have any graphics) < 1376434110 173006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I already did write the Frolg assembler (it is a macro assembler; the other Z-machine assemblers don't support macros). < 1376434143 734355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other programming languages for Z-machine include ZIL, Inform 6, ZAP, Zasm, Inform 7, Frolg. < 1376434199 612720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in order to make everything fit in the way I want to, my program is the only one sufficient. < 1376434653 965495 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1376434972 854214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fiora: guess who found the xenobiology labs at school <-- now you just have to find where they hide the aliens hth < 1376434989 154003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Vorpal you're not the Vorpal who is playing r/nommit, are you? i am assuming not but cannot resist asking. < 1376434989 354261 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1376435207 454428 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1376435870 255294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "if False: yield None" is a Python idiom < 1376435881 182478 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. why < 1376435906 756114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well put it inside 'def' and you have a generator that generates an empty sequence < 1376435908 245314 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to put a "yield" into a coroutine for the interpreter or some shit < 1376435912 955757 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1376435928 485963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the body of a 'def' contains a yield statement anywhere, it has totally different semantics < 1376435941 141373 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hahaha < 1376435943 946073 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst < 1376435949 315717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely a 'call' to the function won't execute any of the body, but will return an object where calling .next() runs until the next yield < 1376435957 935414 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376435970 705316 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, right, bullshit. < 1376435993 935664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically yeah < 1376436024 221484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this came up because https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-August/005169.html < 1376436065 655652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw if any of you want to be involved in the design of an interesting, serious PL that might even get used one day, you should subscribe to rust-dev and join mozilla #rust and stuff < 1376436069 216300 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The way "yield return" works in C# is that it rewrites the code into a state machine behind the scenes.» aha, i thought so < 1376436072 71120 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fuck rust < 1376436077 159725 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1376436077 835704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: fuck you, counterpoint < 1376436095 657415 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but you're just supporting my argument < 1376436099 527105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1376436104 576656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, what's your problem with rust < 1376436226 991978 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no consistency < 1376436232 582270 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any given time, much less next week < 1376436264 56166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is a fair criticism < 1376436285 266259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent all of last week porting a large codebase to deal with a month's worth of changes in Rust < 1376436290 175674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so believe me, I feel that < 1376436302 317762 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't know so I could be full of shit < 1376436311 941715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I get the impression that the devs don't actually have a clue what they're doing < 1376436312 205858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like... the language isn't done yet, of course it's going to change, better to fix problems while we still can < 1376436329 145483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you're wrong about that, for sure < 1376436346 977003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want to use a language that changes rapidly then wait a year < 1376436359 726011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is getting more consistent over time < 1376436364 689195 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're clearly competent devs < 1376436379 708269 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't display any ability to manage a useful project < 1376436392 426452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you just say you don't actually know... < 1376436401 135902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that the internal consistency of the language (at any given moment in time) is somewhat lacking < 1376436411 806283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I use Rust every day, so I have no shortage of gripes :) < 1376436442 300724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of that is being fixed gradually < 1376436466 484806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it we are probably stuck with (like one-variant enums being different from structs) but also maybe not a huge deal < 1376436505 685714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like the weird support for multi-parameter traits where the last type parameter is special :/ < 1376436524 738320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the special treatment of static vs non-static methods in traits < 1376436566 595736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't speak to the management skills of the Rust team, as I have zero management experience < 1376436635 174628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are good developers and they are people who actually understand PL theory and research (which is astoundingly uncommon among people designing a PL) < 1376436651 426232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I wish more of them had known more Haskell years ago :) < 1376436807 444431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1376436886 972045 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1376436950 412372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think "struct" could be changed to be syntax sugar for a one-variant enum pretty backwards-compatibly. < 1376436998 686758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now enum Foo { Foo { ... } } doesn't even work, though. < 1376437001 216551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1376437005 321871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which looks like some sort of namespacing issue? < 1376437141 677295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing about Rust is that it's incredibly ambitious < 1376437162 836931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no existing language remotely close to mainstream that does what Rust is trying to do < 1376437492 947428 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1376437500 939111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUYS I OWN A MACBOOK PRO < 1376437536 758503 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1376437574 39139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it good < 1376437590 57498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, I was mocking copumpkin's quit message < 1376437595 327428 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know someone who had to buy a macbook for school < 1376437599 379272 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's a thing apparently < 1376437614 78042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey guys" is an idiom in my social circle < 1376437632 68465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the default quit message of a client I think < 1376437632 268988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen that idiom before < 1376437637 129284 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was unexcited, since she's not well-off, but i guess you Need One for the Arts < 1376437642 968064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "sent from my iphone" < 1376437657 618472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant to call out that somebody is dropping hints about being rich, or that they had sex recently or whatever < 1376437672 548944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that one at least has some purpose as "sorry for the brevity / poor spelling of this message" < 1376437683 209066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it may be from SomethingAwful? most things are < 1376437755 12512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should i pay :10bux: to learn more < 1376437758 578014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1376437770 767941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I really enjoyed having a SA forum subscription back in the day < 1376437773 446445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it much anymore < 1376437780 516927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I log in like once every 3 months, usually while drunk < 1376437782 559493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it's more like :35bux: < 1376437785 458690 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the science boards are actually kinda nice < 1376437794 797936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in my day they had a pretty legit torrent subforum < 1376437797 826695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how so? < 1376437806 660499 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to pay if you want an avatar or whatever. < 1376437809 157736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1376437814 127808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's How They Get You™ < 1376437818 308093 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ten bucks to read and post, though. < 1376437823 735438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with the archive upgrade and the no-ads upgrade and the platinum upgrade < 1376437826 767896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also pay to change someone else's avatar, right? < 1376437831 515877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1376437831 715815 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1376437850 187909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Debate and Discussion threads were pretty good in the 2008 election and may have contributed to me winning big on Intrade < 1376437861 316840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh the drugz subforum is good < 1376437863 827899 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty great reading the linguist thread and they're talking about Pinker or whatever, and somebody has hateful redtext because of an argument elsewhere about vidya gamez < 1376437864 359020 :iamfishhead!~jgoldste@192.147.44.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1376437871 597743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha yes < 1376437894 749518 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard recently a mod in the drugz forum got demodded because he suggested somebody addicted to heroin just try acid, or something like that < 1376437898 339540 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drama < 1376437900 497945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1376437916 77956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :acid has been studied for treating alcoholism < 1376437925 609681 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i mean < 1376437927 268230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ibogaine is used to treat opiate addiction < 1376437929 927864 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was, instead of rehab < 1376437932 565842 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for... some reason. < 1376437933 690026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sketchy contexts < 1376437939 338024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anecdotally does work < 1376437981 507826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno man < 1376437985 138401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get addicted to heroin ok < 1376437991 747829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best solution < 1376438000 284337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying i should just try it a few times instead < 1376438009 57800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1376438183 928769 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1376438184 168342 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really excited by this hardware failure thing. < 1376438190 967864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1376438206 599425 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1376438263 298206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of hardware failure? < 1376438283 58920 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i jolt my netbook the network card dies. apparently. < 1376438286 526930 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1376438298 8473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1376438316 618227 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it was inevitable, this thing cost like two hundred bucks, but still irritating < 1376438375 708191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately I'm using a $200 netbook from 6 years ago