00:00:16 <kmc> sure that's not the point
00:02:08 <elliott> works enough to redirect to .co.uk here
00:02:15 <elliott> though that may be cached at various levels
00:03:54 <kmc> i mean the point of yelling at them
00:04:33 <Gregor> Just remember that they own your life and soul, so be polite and courteous.
00:05:53 <kmc> it wasn't a very well thought out idea okay
00:13:03 <ion> http://www.isisgoogledowndown.com/
00:15:01 <oerjan> @ask roujo <Roujo> cat sanity >> Roujo <-- how can your cat possibly be much saner than you twh
00:17:10 <oerjan> @tell Roujo <Roujo> Collateral damage be damned <-- but but think of all the things you just made flammable!
00:17:45 <oerjan> ion: that seems to be down hth
00:21:08 <oerjan> @tell boily <boily> I like to lean toothpicks. <-- we can always need more /// programmers twh
00:21:16 <ion> oerjan: Perhaps it’s just your computer, you should check on http://isisisgoogledowndowndown.com/
00:21:50 <oerjan> ion: yeah must be my computer, that site looks down too
00:23:35 <oerjan> apropos flammable, the local paper factory's storage caught fire yesterday morning. and afaict a couple hours ago, it's still smoking.
00:25:29 <oerjan> i read in the newspaper they expected it would take several days to put out completely
00:26:21 <oerjan> also that the building had no fire alarm, because no one had required it.
00:26:50 <Bike> in a paper factory?
00:26:51 <oerjan> despite being next to a gas tank.
00:27:10 <Bike> wow this sounds pretty awesome.
00:27:18 <oerjan> Bike: well other buildings may have had alarms.
00:28:26 <kmc> several days is bad, but not as bad as the underground coal fires that have been burning for decades
00:29:04 <Roujo> What does twh even mean =P
00:29:48 <Roujo> Also, nothing is now flammable, since nothing exists anymore
00:29:50 <oerjan> i didn't know my okays could infect through my hths
00:30:09 <Roujo> I was saying okay since before you were born, okay?
00:30:39 <oerjan> it was a typo that under the circumstances seemed wrong to correct
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00:34:07 <kmc> im still voiced
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00:44:42 <ion> fd74c314-7298-471e-8fae-96e9d5557b59
00:45:32 <Koen_> I would join the fun and spell out random numbers, but I'm afraid yours actually mean something
00:45:51 <Bike> they're social security numbers
00:46:34 <^v> my SSN has more than 9 digits
00:46:42 <^v> and it isnt hex
00:52:17 <doesthiswork> maybe your social security number isn't in hex, but mine is an entirely valid hexadecimal number
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01:39:38 <Sgeo> My weekend is going to consist of debugging a page that makes IE8 crash and untangling a mess of cookies interfering with each other on similar domains
01:39:41 <Sgeo> Please shoot me now.
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01:50:02 <Phantom_Hoover> you're allowed to forgo the magic word in these circumstances Sgeo
01:56:54 <Sgeo> The string www holds no relevance to whether or not a cookie gets sent, right? a.foobar.com is the same as www.foobar.com in terms of whether or not it would read or could set a .foobar.com cookie?
01:57:27 <Bike> shouldn't you call that a third-level domain name or w/e
02:02:20 <Bike> sound's like abstract nonsense.....................
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02:23:10 <kmc> Sgeo: why?
02:23:21 <Sgeo> Why the question about www?
02:23:45 <Sgeo> Because production (www) is behaving differently from other environments
02:23:53 <kmc> no, why is tihs your weekend
02:24:14 <Sgeo> Product wants to look at what we have on Monday and we're launching Wednesday
02:24:28 <kmc> are you getting paid extra to work all weekend?
02:24:50 <Sgeo> I don't think so. I haven't really been asking to get paid extra
02:25:12 <oerjan> Sgeo: iirc browsers need to guess whether a.foobar.com has authority over foobar.com itself, and use a ridiculously complicated system for this hth
02:25:47 <oerjan> i vaguely think there was a database of domains evolved
02:26:12 <oerjan> and possibly no consistency between browsers
02:26:46 <Bike> that's the spirit.
02:27:02 <Bike> demand a cookie bonus. which means money for working with cookies, not cookies
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02:27:55 <oerjan> mind you i only recall this from some blog post i once read about how the system was messed up, i've never written a cookie handling webpage in my life. i think.
02:30:55 <oerjan> i understand that americans are frequently in the situation that there is no law actually requiring them to be paid extra for overtime and stuff, poor souls.
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02:31:09 <Sgeo> I think legally I should be getting extra
02:31:14 <Sgeo> I just never really forcefully asked
02:31:19 <Bike> well maybe you should
02:31:33 <Sgeo> I am asking for my raise which I'm supposed to have
02:31:54 <Sgeo> They're saying I should have asked sooner when I noticed it didn't go through because retropay is going to cause them headaches
02:32:20 <oerjan> i a guessing that if you exude as much confidence in real life as you do on the channel, you are going to be screwed out of every cent possible hth
02:33:12 <Bike> well, probably you should have, but no use crying over spilt milk
02:33:37 <oerjan> wait why did i allow myself into cynical mode.
02:34:18 <kmc> oerjan: there's the Public Suffix List
02:34:38 <Sgeo> What if it's milk that reacts with saltwater in such a way as to... do something
02:34:43 <kmc> I think most tech workers are exempt from overtime laws
02:35:09 <Phantom_Hoover> is it a contractual thing or are the laws just like "ps. fuck tech workers"
02:35:10 <Sgeo> I'm a contractor currently
02:35:18 <kmc> lots of kinds of workers are exempt
02:35:22 <kmc> look up "exempt worker", it's a thing
02:35:27 <kmc> I dunno how it works in .uk
02:35:27 <Sgeo> I should reread the contract
02:36:25 <kmc> often if you get a salary instead of hourly pay that makes you exempt
02:36:51 <Sgeo> I currently get hourly pay, but do want to become a full-time employee which I think would be salaried
02:38:16 <shachaf> What, you get hourly pay and the hours in the weekend just don't count?
02:38:49 <kmc> you gotta fight for your right to party
02:39:09 <Sgeo> shachaf: no, I just... haven't been bothering to put them in
02:40:57 <Phantom_Hoover> the capitalist's wet dream, a worker who can't be bothered to ask for pay
02:41:47 <kmc> no you should be motivated by PASSION and the fact that your employer is CHANGING THE WORLD and if you ask for more pay it's a sign that you're insufficiently devoted to the cause
02:42:15 <kmc> besides programmers don't like money anyway, we are magic children who just want free snacks and a pool table in the office
02:43:14 <Bike> "brb ranting at girlfriend about hiring practices"
02:43:23 <kmc> no just eating sausages
02:46:43 <Bike> already made that joke!!
02:46:48 <Phantom_Hoover> (he means ranting at the sausages about hiring practices)
02:46:50 <Bike> or rather kind of implied that i would make that joke
02:47:20 <Bike> are sausages made from capitalist pigs
02:48:11 <Bike> oh, wait, it's like the music video for "Itsu".
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02:55:04 <monotone> Any of you guys got experience with WRT54G-compatible custom firmware? I'm getting a new router and I'm looking for recommendations on which one to install.
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03:07:43 <ion> I have OpenWrt on one.
03:10:36 <Sgeo> Someone replied to a comment I made 5 years ago
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03:19:55 <monotone> ion: How's OpenWrt's user interface these days? It's been a few years since I last looked at it.
03:20:33 <ion> I haven’t really done much with it. I don’t even remember if i used the web UI when setting it up.
03:22:33 <monotone> I've been using Tomato USB since I like being able to point and click, but it unfortunately hasn't been updated for a while.
03:28:01 <^v> I've been using Potato USB since I like being able to point and click, but it unfortunately hasn't been updated for a while.
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03:50:48 <oerjan> i say tomato, you say potato, let's call the whole thing a bit off
04:00:33 <Sgeo> I wonder if Bonzi Buddy is still downloadable from somewhere
04:01:16 <Sgeo> " In 1999, the software used a green parrot called Peedy licensed from Microsoft, and in later versions, Bonzi Software made their own fictional character, a purple gorilla."
04:01:21 <Sgeo> I have not heard of Peedy before now
04:03:10 <kmc> i remember Peedy!!
04:03:15 <kmc> i made some scripts for him in Visual Basic
04:03:39 <Sgeo> I wonder if Bonzi Buddy would work in WINE
04:03:49 <Sgeo> Or if I'll end up downloading a Windows VM
04:03:53 <Sgeo> http://www.modern.ie/en-us
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04:17:47 <ion> http://kurlander.net/DJ/Videos/BillGMITComicChatVideo.shtml
04:20:35 <pikhq> Google literally went down today?
04:23:37 <^v> for a couple mins
04:23:48 <^v> i was googling at the time
04:23:58 <pikhq> On a purely unrelated note, tendonitis sucks.
04:26:45 <pikhq> This wireless mouse was an amazingly good purchase.
04:29:44 <kmc> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=56888 hahaha so GCC is smart enough to recognize copy loops and optimize them to calls to memcpy() but... it will do this even inside your implementation of memcpy()
04:30:21 <pikhq> Yup, that was a fun one.
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04:49:30 <kmc> help there's a glider drawn on the blackboard in my house
04:49:36 <kmc> is this ``hacker culture''
04:51:04 <pikhq> Friend of mine uses a glider as his avatar. Though he uses a different frame in the cycle, because fuck ESR.
04:51:52 <elliott> kmc: maybe the glider is being imagined as situated on the traditional GoL torus, and it's just a bit of pointless topology
04:52:32 <mnoqy> i'm sorry there's no glossing over it
04:54:48 <oerjan> no need to panic unless the glider regularly evolves hth
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05:08:27 <Jafet> I never metacatacryst
05:08:28 <Bike> just draw the entirety of a universal constructor
05:09:00 <doesthiswork> put up the set of wang tiles that simulate a turing machine
05:13:10 <kmc> good ideas all
05:14:01 <elliott> my joke is underappreciated :(
05:14:25 <kmc> i like it!
05:15:04 <oerjan> elliott: but it clearly has points hth
05:15:20 <elliott> oerjan: are you sure you get my joke?! it's very good!
05:16:04 <elliott> http://pointlesstopology.com/
05:16:13 <elliott> (the joke is kmc lives there.)
05:16:17 <Bike> the intended burn is an impliccation that the joke is actually not good, but if you think about it the brune would have to be that oerjan doesn't get the joke which he admits is very good
05:16:34 <kmc> anyway i've just stepped it one generation
05:16:45 <elliott> you're part of the problem, kmc
05:16:49 <kmc> de brune indices
05:16:57 * oerjan removes the air from Bike's wheels
05:16:58 <Bike> clearly the problem is kmc not using hashlife.
05:17:05 <kmc> [drugz joke]
05:18:07 <Bike> i wasn't even think of that
05:18:10 <oerjan> elliott: your jokes are too obscure hth
05:18:24 <Sgeo> "Installation completed before it could be canceled."
05:18:27 <Sgeo> (Installing Chrome)
05:19:54 <mnoqy> don't worry elliott i'll get your joke next time you make it
05:20:06 <mnoqy> Sgeo: so how's that bonzi buddy going
05:20:17 <Sgeo> Not as fun as I remember
05:21:45 <oerjan> i dhing dhad bonzi buddy iz juzd sgheming
05:23:02 * oerjan goes to force further puns into submission. and to make some food.
05:23:33 <kmc> http://oi40.tinypic.com/25085ko.jpg i got this dialog from Golly while trying to open a file
05:23:52 <elliott> it wants to make sure you agree
05:24:12 <Sgeo> What fun can I have with an XP VM?
05:24:17 <Sgeo> Maybe a deltree?
05:24:22 <kmc> perverted fun
05:24:36 <Sgeo> bah "Deltree isn't present in Windows NT-based operating systems, including Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server, Windows Vista and Windows 7."
05:26:44 <Sgeo> Might be fun to delete the filesystem out from under the OS's nose with another virtual OS
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05:41:11 <kmc> when I first installed Linux I somehow managed to have the Linux partition occupy the second half of the drive and the Windows partition occupy the first and second halves of the drive
05:42:10 <pikhq> That's pretty easy to do with the partition table, but how'd you get a partition table editor to do that?
05:43:43 <ion> kmc: I don’t see the problem. You got 50 % more disk space for free.
05:45:12 <kmc> pikhq: I don't know...
05:45:37 <kmc> anyway it meant Windows crashed frequently, which meant I learned more about how to do things in Linux, so it was probably a good thing
05:45:53 <Sgeo> sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root on Xubuntu is great
05:46:18 <shachaf> I remember the time when I tried to get the MBR to run GRUB rather than the Windows bootloader.
05:46:47 <shachaf> I reasoned "GRUB is on /dev/hda4, so I should just be able to dd if=/dev/hda4 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1"
05:47:08 <shachaf> But I made sure to put a backup of the old bootloader in my home directory first, so if anything went wrong I could just boot from a live CD and put it back.
05:48:21 <ion> Remember when “hda”?
05:48:22 <shachaf> It was a lot of trouble to get that working again...
05:48:46 <Bike> i remember when i tried to set up slackware and got confused by the manual using "hda" repeatedly.
05:49:33 <Sgeo> http://imgur.com/3xmYoLh,7li30Mt,YM4Jwgv,cHWlrlx
05:50:07 <kmc> shachaf: why was it trouble? oh because you blew away the partition table?
05:50:20 <shachaf> So I couldn't mount my home directory and get the old MBR back.
05:50:26 <kmc> I think it would work with some number less than 512, and some values of "work" which might mean "break for other reasons"
05:50:28 <ion> sgeo: Nice. I haven’t seen that icon Trash got for a while.
05:50:38 <kmc> parted has a feature that will look for fs magic and rebuild your partition table based on that
05:52:39 <ion> ⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷⌷
05:53:06 <kmc> sounds right
05:53:08 <kmc> what are those ion
05:53:25 <ion> kmc: Oh, your font can’t display them? They are awesome.
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05:54:15 <kmc> i blame screen
05:54:19 <kmc> Bike: no u
05:54:38 <shachaf> kmc: The joke is that they're all 2337 APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL SQUISH QUAD [⌷]
05:55:19 <kmc> then why does the fifth one have some artifact at the bottom
05:55:23 <Sgeo> My question is, why does a dying OS display those?
05:55:31 <ion> kmc: http://imgur.com/3xmYoLh,7li30Mt,YM4Jwgv,cHWlrlx#2
05:55:46 <ion> sgeo: It can’t load the font and the font renderer uses that as a fallback.
05:56:02 <Sgeo> So how did the second image manage to have a font to display a part of that error?
05:56:13 <ion> That font was already loaded by the process.
05:56:34 <kmc> when did imgur urls get crazy
05:56:49 <shachaf> kmc: that's a five images in one url
05:56:52 <ion> Haven’t ad-hoc galleries always been like that?
05:57:08 <kmc> I didn't know that
05:57:57 <shachaf> They used to be slightly different.
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05:58:04 <shachaf> Without the #2 and the whole JavaScript bit.
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06:11:19 <madbr> "14) Any C source that fails to compile because of lines with trailing
06:11:19 <madbr> control-M's (i.e., lines with a tailing octet 015) will be rejected.
06:11:43 <madbr> does that mean only files UNIX end of lines are accepted?
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06:25:56 <madbr> "Any C source that fails to compile because of unescaped octets with
06:25:56 <madbr> | the high bit set (octet value >= 128) will be rejected.
06:26:39 <pikhq> There's compilers that care?
06:27:00 <Bike> is this for ioccc
06:27:06 <oerjan> madbr: i'd assume it means you cannot expect C source with ^M to compile on OS'es that don't use them
06:29:31 <Bike> they've gotten used to some crazy shit, huh
06:30:59 <madbr> oerjan : kindof curious about what kind of compiler would fit that description
06:32:16 <madbr> pretty sure gcc doesn't choke on crlf when run from linux
06:32:26 <madbr> except maybe in the makefile, can't remember
06:32:54 <madbr> or maybe it was in bash scripts
06:35:30 <Bike> http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/08/oregon-gop-art-robinson-nuclear-waste-airplanes Finally, someone with a plan.
06:36:59 <kmc> "Alas, this would be against the law."
06:40:15 <oerjan> gop art is like pop art, except crazier, right?
06:45:52 <ion> http://translate.google.fi/#fi/en/alas
06:49:30 <kmc> Bike: also he's an alum of my school, damnit
06:49:57 <oerjan> kmc: have you checked your sanity lately?
06:50:12 <kmc> not sure how to answer that question really
06:50:17 <kmc> if I am insane then my sanity check may not count
06:51:33 <Bike> kmc: lol, well he probably paid his way through or whatever
06:52:29 <kmc> or he's smart and good at chemistry or whatever and also completely crazy
06:52:32 <kmc> not unheard-of
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06:55:05 <kmc> i don't really think people paid their way through
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06:55:28 <kmc> if you wanted to do that you might want to pick a school that people have heard of (and not one that sounds like refrigerator repair school)
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06:57:29 <Bike> university of cali sounds like a fridge repair school?
06:57:55 <kmc> often (including by that article) misspelled Cal Tech
06:58:19 <kmc> Serge Lang was an AIDS denialist too
06:58:41 <kmc> oh and also a Caltech alum
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07:03:34 <kmc> a lot of people confuse it with Cal Poly
07:06:06 <kmc> shachaf: I finished reading the Smullyan book
07:07:20 <shachaf> kmc: is that a relationshipz joke
07:09:02 <shachaf> kmc: was the book as you expected
07:11:02 <kmc> shachaf: it wasn't such a joke but it did occur to me as I wrote it
07:13:47 <kmc> there weren't a lot of complicated relationship-arrangements at Caltech (that I knew of) because it was mostly straight guys
07:13:55 <kmc> of course it's possible I just wasn't invited
07:14:08 <kmc> shachaf: I think it was as expected, yes
07:14:15 <kmc> given that I'd already read "Is God a Taoist?"
07:14:21 <kmc> what do you think of the book shachaf
07:14:56 <shachaf> i thought it was delightful when i read it maybe 5 years ago
07:15:02 <kmc> Sgeo: did you send me a NOTICE earlier? i'm just confused by things my client displays
07:15:14 <kmc> it's fairly delightful yes
07:15:47 <Sgeo> kmc: yes I did
07:15:53 <kmc> parts were both delightful and aggravating at the same time which is a good trick I guess
07:16:07 <Gracenotes> it seems like the number of non-straight males and the number of women are correlated in university departments
07:16:32 <Gracenotes> CS and engineering more generally is well known for its ratios.
07:16:33 <kmc> shachaf: like, playing a lot of games with words to evade saying anything meaningful
07:17:17 <kmc> Gracenotes: I don't actually know about the percentage of non-straight guys in CS -- is it significantly different from overall population?
07:17:22 <kmc> of course definitions can be tricky
07:18:06 <kmc> shachaf: of course that kind of thing is par for the course with taoist and zen stuff
07:18:09 <kmc> but i dunno
07:18:44 <kmc> some of it was a bit "communicating poorly and then acting smug when misunderstood"
07:18:50 <kmc> (on the part of one party in a dialogue)
07:19:37 <kmc> also I can't really get on board with the glib anti-morality but that's only sort of one view on it, and at other times he seems to be a utilitarian who just dislikes moralists and wants people to be good intrinsically, which is fine
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07:19:50 <kmc> definitely the part that made me think the most was the stuff about doing good out of obligation vs. naturally
07:20:14 <kmc> but I also feel like my inner moralist hardass has pushed me towards better actions gradually
07:20:17 <kmc> but how would I know really
07:21:36 <Gracenotes> is there philosophy on the general notion of agency in life?
07:21:41 <Taneb> I would say doing good out of obligation is still good, because you can ignore most obligations
07:21:48 <Taneb> With enough willpower
07:22:16 <Gracenotes> not in a moral context, but action through inaction, etc.
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07:22:59 <kmc> Gracenotes: in this book? a bit
07:23:06 <kmc> in general I'm sure much has been written on the subject
07:23:39 <kmc> (The book in question is _The Tao is Silent_ by Raymond Smullyan, by the way)
07:23:47 <kmc> anyway it was worth reading for sure
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07:24:45 <shachaf> are you interested in reading another book of his
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07:39:15 <doesthiswork> a thing that turns ascii diagrams into bitmap graphics http://ditaa.sourceforge.net/
07:42:38 <kmc> that's really cool
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08:09:14 <shachaf> kmc: is there an asymmetric cryptography thing where they keys are "symmetrical"
08:09:33 <shachaf> i.e. knowing one lets you encrypt (or sign) things for the other to decrypt (or verify), but you can't derive one key from the other
08:10:58 <kmc> maybe you could do that with RSA if you pick a random e instead of using 3 or whatever
08:11:13 <kmc> sounds dangerous tho
08:12:28 * kmc -> afk tho
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08:16:11 <Sgeo> I think I was under the impression that normal public-private key crypto worked like that
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10:02:37 <kmc> Sgeo: it is true that RSA uses the same core mathematical operation for all of encryption, decryption, signing, verification
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10:03:37 <kmc> but this is not true of all public-key algorithms
10:03:54 <kmc> and the stuff you need to go from "core mathematical operation" to "secure cryptosystem" is different for each function
10:04:58 <kmc> and generally it's easy to derive one key from the other, because the encryption/signing exponent will be fixed to 3 or 65537
10:05:16 <kmc> and also Sgeo is probably asleep because it's like 5 AM there
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12:28:09 <asie> hi, asiekierka here
12:28:13 <asie> wow, i haven't been here for ages
12:40:56 <asie> Phantom_Hoover: what
12:45:09 <olsner> fungot: can you tell us what?
12:45:09 <fungot> olsner: everyone says,
12:45:35 <olsner> fungot: so I've noticed... maybe a better question is why?
12:45:35 <fungot> olsner: use these words as clues and go first! meet at the real world, just like you may think i'm a litte too uptight?
12:46:05 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7* fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
12:46:29 <fungot> Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
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16:14:59 <asie> http://paste.debian.net/26297/
16:15:02 <asie> fiddling with some random ideas
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16:24:34 <nooodl> asie: reminds me of golfscript
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16:38:39 <fizzie> "Call failed: Type of message, `(sisssasa(vv)i)', does not match expected type `(susssasa{sv}i)'"
16:38:45 <fizzie> Gotta love them dbus signatures.
16:39:11 <olsner> oh, I thought it was finnish
16:39:52 <fizzie> Also I don't know how to make a {sv} instead of (sv) using Haskell's DBus client.
16:42:42 <fizzie> I can make a (susssasa(sv)i) easily, but that's not quite close enough.
16:43:34 <fizzie> Maybe it maps a Haskell Map to a dictionary, then.
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16:54:55 <fizzie> Yay, "empty :: Map String DB.Variant" made a {sv}.
16:57:30 <fizzie> (It doesn't display a notification, though.)
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17:05:53 <fizzie> I don't the understand. I get something vaguely okay-looking as reply -- MethodReturn {methodReturnSerial = Serial 2, methodReturnSender = Just (BusName ":1.64"), methodReturnDestination = Just (BusName ":1.86"), methodReturnBody = [Variant 1]} -- but nothing happens.
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17:11:47 <fizzie> Hum. Apparently giving a replaces_id of an old notification does not open a new one, unlike what I thought.
17:17:34 <fizzie> I don't know how I'm supposed to do a "replace existing notification or create new" thing; I'd track it manually, but I can't know when the notification gets closed.
17:18:06 <fizzie> (I could force-close the old one when displaying a new one, but that'd defeat the purpose of flicker-free updating of an existing one.)
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18:07:49 <olsner> really? I don't think I've had that
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19:12:45 <Sgeo> The license for the Windows VMs confuses me (not that I care for personal use, but I do care for work use)
19:12:47 <Sgeo> "Youmayusethesoftwarefortestingpurposesonly.Youmaynotusethesoftwarefor
19:12:47 <Sgeo> commercialpurposes.Y"
19:13:10 <Sgeo> But if I use it at work, I'm using it for testing purposes and commercial purposes
19:13:22 <Sgeo> My testing with the software serves a commercial purpose
19:13:30 <AnotherTest> it clearly say "for testing purposes /only"
19:13:56 <AnotherTest> comercial purpose + testing purpose != testing purpose only
19:15:02 <Sgeo> Ugh kind of sucks that can't use MSN browser without subscription
19:15:04 <Sgeo> Used to be able to
19:18:36 <AnotherTest> it is generally advisable to stay a way from windows in my opinion
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19:41:06 <Gracenotes> what is a commercial purpose generally
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20:37:04 <Roujo> Commercial purpose: using it in a commerciakl
20:52:00 <Sgeo> Worth1000 is closing :(
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21:36:26 <Roujo> @tell zzo38 Oh hai
21:36:33 <Roujo> @tell Phantom_Hoover Oh hai
21:37:21 <Roujo> @tell * Well, that worked
21:37:31 <Roujo> @tell lambdabot I wonder if THIS does, though
21:40:56 <Roujo> Well, you wanted a message
21:42:01 <zzo38> I didn't say I wanted a message
21:43:26 <zzo38> I wrote on this paper, some more idea of spells/psionic power of Dungeons&Dragons game (this time, including the effect, too). See if it could be corrected a bit?
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22:17:57 <zzo38> I didn't put it into the computer yet!
22:35:18 <^v> irc bot in malbolge = win?
22:36:15 <kmc> what's the most complicated extant program in malbolge
22:36:22 <Bike> 99 beers, maybe
22:39:08 <kmc> edward 40 hands
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22:40:23 <^v> calculating sqare roots
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22:57:00 <ion> kmc: edwardk?
22:59:48 <oerjan> <kmc> maybe you could do that with RSA if you pick a random e instead of using 3 or whatever <-- i always thought that worked, it would be pretty strange if choosing something other than 3 made the corresponding key easier to find in general, but maybe it depends.
23:00:30 <^v> 3 is the lowest though
23:00:36 <^v> and can be cracked in miliseconds
23:00:45 <Bike> how many milliseconds
23:00:57 <^v> depends on the computer :P
23:01:44 <oerjan> in fact here's an argument it cannot be easier for more than half of them: simply choose a random r and then try to crack both that and 3/r (mod phi(n) or thereabouts); if you can crack both, you've also cracked 3. i think. maybe.
23:05:42 <oerjan> because the multiple of the corresponding keys for r and 3/r is a key corresponding to 3, if i'm not thinking wrong.
23:16:07 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> almost certainly <-- i dunno, who knows what those japanese have been doing without telling us gaijins
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