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00:05:15 <zzo38> This is one kind of card I made up for Pokemon card game: Put any number of cards from your hand and/or trash with your side cards (you are not allowed to exceed six side cards).
00:05:24 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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00:40:16 <zzo38> One of my Pokemon card puzzles was made up by FireFly (the rest are made up by me). I would like if someone else can make too.
00:43:27 <zzo38> Different TCG can be compared; such as that, Pokemon card is a more positional-oriented game than Magic: the Gathering, it seems. Magic: the Gathering is other (I don't know what words to use). If you have played these games, tell me of your opinion of it?
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01:50:00 <kmc> shachaf and I played mölkky in the park
01:50:04 <kmc> it was fun
01:50:07 <kmc> we are not very good at it
01:50:27 <kmc> sometimes dogs would come by and steal the pieces and change the state of play
01:51:14 <quintopia> i dont know that game
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02:14:22 <Sgeo> positional
02:14:23 <Sgeo> ?
02:15:05 <zzo38> Someone said Magic: the Gathering is a more action-sequence-oriented game.
02:16:52 <zzo38> Sgeo: It is more positional because the play depends on the position of active/bench cards, attached energy cards, sleep/confuse/paralyze poison state, number of side cards remaining, number of cards in draw pile, sacrifices, defense, etc
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02:20:15 <zzo38> Magic: the Gathering involves an entirely different set of tactics.
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03:57:01 <Sgeo> There's a property that Active Worlds and Cloud Party share that Second Life lacks, and I'm not sure what to call it. I almost want to say statelessness, but that's not quite accurate
03:57:48 <Sgeo> In both AW and CP, you can write scripts. AW scripts are client-side, CP scripts are server-side. But they both have the property that, whatever such a script does, it isn't permanent, it can always be reverted instantly to what was actually built in the world
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03:58:07 <Sgeo> In Second Life, scripts can move objects permanently, and they don't have an 'origin' location
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04:30:13 <zzo38> Do you know the different methods of calculating the probability of hitting yourself with the "DIGGER" card (in the Pokemon card game)? I used one method and someone else used a different method, although both work. Such thing may apply to other things relating to probability, too? (DIGGER: Starting with you, both players take turns tossing a coin, until tails. Does 1 point of damage to the active pokemon card of whoever got tails.)
04:30:33 <coppro> Enumerating all the different methods seems like folly
04:32:38 <zzo38> I mean I just want to see what methods different people are using. What method did you use?
04:35:28 <zzo38> (My own method was to solve P=1/2+(1-P)/2, although someone else used the infinite series instead.)
04:36:06 <zzo38> Did you use one of these, or something else?
04:39:52 <coppro> if P is the probability of hitting your own pokemon
04:40:15 <coppro> then P = 1/2 + 1/4 P
04:40:34 <coppro> since you have three outcomes for the first two flips: you hit your pokemon (1/2), you hit the other pokemon (1/4), you try again
04:45:48 <zzo38> OK
04:46:24 <zzo38> I didn't think of that way, but I can understand it now
04:53:37 <zzo38> I (partially) made up a glossary of Pokemon card puzzle.
04:59:54 <Fiora> `slist
04:59:56 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
05:00:45 <zzo38> There are a few tactics/strategies/situations that I don't know what they would be called, though.
05:01:09 <Bike> the eternal `slist of the spotless mind
05:03:43 <zzo38> I used some of the terms from chess, although there are some without corresponding something in the other game.
05:03:53 <shachaf> olist yesterday and olist tomorrow. never olist today.
05:09:54 <zzo38> Please see if I missed anything important or made any other mistakes.
05:11:01 <coppro> zzo38: my approach is similar to the approach used to determine the running time of infinitely recursive algorithms
05:11:09 <coppro> err
05:11:14 <coppro> s/infinitely/arbitrarily/
05:11:55 <zzo38> coppro: O, that is what it is used for? What is my approach called?
05:13:18 <coppro> zzo38: I'm not quite sure; I think they work out to roughly the same thing
05:14:56 <zzo38> Well, you do get the same answer, and they are both the algebraic solutions.
05:17:49 <Bike> huh, the chinese south-pointing carriage wasn't magnetic
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05:49:02 <zzo38> I made up a designation "communist hand" for certain poker hands. As far as I know, these are all possible communist hands: * A royal flush. * An ace-high straight without three cards of the same suit. * Four of a kind and an ace. * Four aces and a king.
05:51:06 <zzo38> Can you see the pattern, and do you know if I made a mistake?
05:54:22 <coppro> those two questions should never be asked together
05:54:33 <zzo38> coppro: You are probably correct.
05:54:38 <zzo38> I can understand why.
06:00:23 <zzo38> I have thought of it and I think I have not made a mistake. There is a real pattern having to do with Texas Hold'em. Can you see it? (Maybe 'communist hand' isn't the best name; if you have a better name you can tell me)
06:09:02 <Bike> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12148.html
06:23:18 <zzo38> Someone else figured it out!
06:28:24 <kmc> is it a hand such that if the table hand is this, everyone will split the pot evenly?
06:28:41 <kmc> because it's necessarily better than any hand you could make using private cards
06:28:45 <zzo38> kmc: Yes.
06:28:50 <zzo38> That is correct.
06:29:42 <kmc> cool
06:29:46 <kmc> it's a pretty good name I think
06:30:08 <zzo38> Yes, I think so too (although I am not 100% sure)
06:30:31 <Bike> i wanna see what a mutualist hand is
06:30:51 <zzo38> Bike: I don't know; make up something if you have an idea.
06:39:56 <zzo38> If you know any poker players, ask them if they can figure out the definition of "communist hand" from the enumeration of all of them like I have given.
06:41:23 <zzo38> It isn't so difficult, but that doesn't mean you can figure out right away; some people still make some mistakes when trying to figure it out.
06:45:41 <kmc> I got it when you mentioned it was for hold 'em specifically
06:46:03 <zzo38> Yes, I suppose that is the hint.
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07:22:58 <zzo38> Is it difficult if that is not mentioned?
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09:14:37 <Taneb> I am really happy right now
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11:37:38 <quintopia> hi Taneb
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12:32:29 <Taneb> Hi, quintopia
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12:51:30 <fizzie> Should've made a video response to that office-window timelapse; there's been lots of groups of students wandering around, I think they're having some sort of orientation activities for new people there.
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13:10:06 <Taneb> "In this episode, they fill up their motorbike with gas!"
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13:29:56 <fizzie> Well, there was also both sunshine and rain.
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18:20:24 <zt> Is it possible that turing-complete languages need at least 5 rules? (One of the functional complete set [NAND,NOR], which are 4 rules each) plus a halting rule?
18:21:00 <Bike> what's a rule
18:21:29 <zt> A rule 'converting' a number of inputs to an output or state
18:21:50 <Bike> that's very vague. anyway, sk calculus has two transition rules, none of which are "a halting rule".
18:23:29 <zt> I will read that first, thank you
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19:19:03 <Phantom_Hoover> zt, you seem to be very caught up on bit operations; turing complete languages are much broader than that
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19:24:05 <zt> Phantom_Hoover: That is true :/ As I am not yet in a university I try to use things I can easily understand, it is just a great thing to think about
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19:28:15 <olsner> fungot: I am bored
19:28:16 <fungot> olsner: cool hair.... w.t.f lol...... zac efrons gay located on my b-day. and even if the media bombed our minds with anti-american rhetoric and make a solid max payne
19:45:56 <kmc> :D
19:46:30 <olsner> fungot: how much better can you do?
19:47:15 <olsner> fungot: broken!?
19:47:23 <olsner> fungot fungot fungot
19:49:09 <kmc> shachaf: should I make my own mölkky-game
19:49:22 <Bike> "Prior to Volume 17, 1975 this journal was published as Kybernetik." i feel this change was a mistake
19:49:46 <kmc> $60 seems "a bit steep" even with the nice wood carrying box
19:50:57 <Bike> price for what, a solid max payne?
19:52:09 <shachaf> kmc: do it
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19:56:41 <olsner> `helloerjan
19:56:42 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: helloerjan: not found
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20:00:18 <Phantom_Hoover> who set fungot to youtube
20:00:19 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: kool song, incredible video. it's no longer about the passengers to know. they're hallucinations from the album, going to crash ( with jaybad of course there was nothing supernatural in max payne
20:00:29 <olsner> ^style
20:00:29 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube*
20:00:38 <olsner> ^style jargon
20:00:38 <fungot> Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
20:00:45 <olsner> fungot: is this fun?
20:00:45 <fungot> olsner: people, vi is from hell with it we've resigned ourselves to its very core. this means it is being lost unless the application for which the resource manager uses in some article al writes:
20:01:02 <Phantom_Hoover> fungot speaks out in favour of emacs
20:01:03 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: in the original version of " modern ui", " who ?am ?i" ( " not a bug report), but without binaries ( v only) or filename, one doesn't respond at all.
20:01:08 <olsner> hmm, a bit gibbrishy
20:01:15 <Phantom_Hoover> now he's getting existential
20:01:16 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I think it may have been me. I apologize in case it was
20:01:19 <Phantom_Hoover> ^style fungot
20:01:19 <fungot> Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
20:01:32 <Phantom_Hoover> double the fungot
20:01:32 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance, can also be used freely and as to being in a fright. " oh, don't go on and on about
20:02:43 <zzo38> Do you know that limitations of Famicom and other systems can be made into a core gameplay mechanics?
20:03:23 <Bike> i knownothing.
20:03:36 <Phantom_Hoover> i wonder what would happen if you made the only fungot dataset fungot, kept all the other commands, and made him continuously update the dataset
20:03:36 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov
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20:03:48 <Phantom_Hoover> :')
20:04:12 <Bike> fungot is such a polite young bot. always helps me with my groceries and assassinations
20:04:12 <fungot> Bike: that is just a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week, i fnord kara to hold me until i fell over, with much ado. your sister is the better part made mercie, i should think at least, that is expressions which have not been able, to assume responsibilities. he went on, " the conclusion is, then thou, the greatest soldier, de. she wanna be friends, his sta
20:04:58 <Phantom_Hoover> i remember when fungot tried to kill me
20:04:58 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover:, so i'd have to consider that although the reduction in actual transportation section from former friend lives, their door had my computer with full u+ support" then they both bowed low. just keep the safe or tub and emptied it does. perhaps you will be thrust with both arms; the blade broke the surface than that acted on by like causes inducing similar modifications. with lynx, she never does
20:05:00 <Phantom_Hoover> good times
20:05:14 <olsner> fungot: how were you going to kill Phantom_Hoover? and why?
20:05:14 <fungot> olsner: and it's self-modifying techniques." stop immobilizes and disables you. in these bones, i shall return! by the way, the wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace?
20:07:26 <myndzi> anybody about know something about state machine design?
20:07:51 <myndzi> in particular, i'm trying to identify if the particular thing i'm doing would benefit from that model, but i don't know it in any detail
20:08:32 <Bike> well what's the thing you're doing.
20:08:45 <myndzi> i'm trying to find a nicer way of dealing with problems in a stateful manner.. that is, i've got a number of steps i want to accomplish, and various error cases that can happen along the way
20:09:01 <myndzi> and the error cases may set off their own group of steps, after which i want to go back 'where i was'
20:09:12 <myndzi> various parts may need retries or something like that
20:09:18 <myndzi> which is what made me think of it
20:09:37 <myndzi> currently it's kind of a promise-based fluid interface and it doesn't play nice with looping style actions
20:10:10 <Bike> is the state after a retry identical to the similar statewithout a retry?
20:10:15 <myndzi> yes
20:10:33 <myndzi> well, maybe not
20:10:37 <myndzi> if i want to give up after x retries
20:10:59 <Bike> yeah, that's mildly gross to do as a regular old state machine diagram.
20:11:15 <myndzi> i kind of suspected as much
20:11:38 <myndzi> it was fairly nice until i got into error cases :P
20:11:53 <Bike> just never run into errors. simple
20:12:18 <myndzi> wish it were :)
20:12:32 <myndzi> promises may still be .. promising .. lol
20:12:41 <myndzi> but not in the way this thing is structured
20:22:41 <shachaf> 13:20 <edwardk> rust lacks any ability to talk about higher kinds
20:22:41 <shachaf> 13:20 <edwardk> so it generally is too crippled for me to write any of my kind of code in
20:30:03 <Taneb> Man, I thought I was going insane because I remembered shachaf saying that but I couldn't see it
20:30:09 <Taneb> Turns out I was just scrolled up a little
20:31:01 <shachaf> turns out Taneb was one pgdn short of a full scrollback
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20:40:09 <Taneb> shachaf, did you ping the rusty chap you ought to for Rust?
20:41:01 <zzo38> I put a "Kjugobe's Trigger" spell into my computer (which would be the next step from "Kjugobe's Timer" and "Kjugobe's Notification", I suppose)
20:41:49 <Taneb> zzo38, it could be betweeen Kjugobe's Safety and Kjugobe's Muzzle
20:42:14 <zzo38> Taneb: No it shouldn't, at least, in alphabetical order it shouldn't.
20:42:40 <zzo38> (Although I am not talking about alphabetical order with the other two spells, either)
20:42:59 <Taneb> zzo38, can you redesign firearms so that the components are in alphabetical order?
20:43:57 <shachaf> Taneb: ?
20:44:02 <zzo38> I don't think so; I don't know a lot about firearms.
20:44:46 <Taneb> shachaf, there is a person in this channel, who has significantly more power to fix the Rust situation than the rest of us
20:44:57 <Taneb> I do not want to make a redundant ping
20:45:11 <Taneb> But his nick begins with k and ends with c and has an m in the middle
20:45:55 <zzo38> (Some spells can notify the caster. This spell allows you to modify it so that instead of notifying the caster, it will have trigger a different effect.)
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20:49:36 <zzo38> Do you think Famicompo ought to have a designation for the use of software PCM?
21:00:17 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aar04alxLf4
21:08:36 <Taneb> STARTING UNIVERSITY JUST GOT SCARIER
21:08:36 <Taneb> AAAAAAH
21:08:36 <Taneb> "Dear Student
21:08:39 <Taneb> The number of students coming to York this year has been higher than forecast. In order to meet this unexpected increase in accommodation applications, the University has entered into an agreement with a private Halls of Residence."
21:09:09 <Bike> like, they're contracting out dorms?
21:10:22 <Taneb> I think so
21:10:25 <olsner> private Hells of Residence, sounds nice
21:11:28 <Bike> well are you even going to be in one of those dorms
21:11:44 <Taneb> I'm slightly panicking
21:12:08 <olsner> better play it safe and stay in hexham
21:12:09 <Bike> look, i live in a dorm administered by the school. i assure you that it can't really get that much worse anyway
21:12:29 <coppro> my school is renting a residence from teh school next door
21:12:34 <coppro> since we got too many students and they didn't get enough
21:12:43 <Taneb> I'm being given the opportunity to book into this place at a university-subsidized rate
21:12:51 <Taneb> (because the university guaranteed accommodation)
21:13:01 <coppro> Taneb: that sounds a lot like my school!
21:13:18 <olsner> afaik no universities here provide their own dorms or accomodation, you pretty much have to get an apartment like normal people
21:16:06 <Taneb> olsner, it's still an unexpected hurdle
21:16:36 <Phantom_Hoover> how do you even get an apartment in first year
21:16:52 <Phantom_Hoover> like you can't exactly pick some flatmates
21:16:56 <Bike> violent takeover
21:17:01 <Bike> alt. squatting
21:17:02 <olsner> usually you try to get one before the first year
21:17:53 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, single rooms
21:19:16 <Phantom_Hoover> so like halls except not actually halls
21:20:15 <Taneb> I'm in Corridors of Residence
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21:32:18 <Sgeo> `slist 6.6.2
21:32:19 <HackEgo> slist 6.6.2: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
21:34:25 <Taneb> Thank you
21:35:18 <Sgeo> yw
21:35:27 <Sgeo> Really more like 6.6.i2
21:35:53 <coppro> 6.6.2?
21:35:55 <coppro> oh
21:35:58 <coppro> right
21:36:01 <coppro> dammit
21:36:07 <coppro> I could have beat you to it!
21:36:19 <Sgeo> :p
21:36:27 <Sgeo> I'm not even using any notifier right now
21:37:18 <oerjan> combining `*lists and notifiers is cheating
21:37:35 <coppro> sgeo was using a notifier for ages
21:37:43 <zzo38> How? What notifiers are you refering to anyways?
21:38:03 <Sgeo> A program that tells me almost immediately when Homestuck updates
21:38:44 <zzo38> How does that work? Does it use RSS? Does it use a message send directly to your computer? Does it use IRC?
21:38:52 <Sgeo> Also, does Facebook count as a notifier for olist? Usually, when there's an update, I get Facebook notifications about people liking my page's status
21:39:31 <Sgeo> zzo38: Well, I had several at one point. One on my phone that presumably checked RSS, and one that I made in another channel that checked ETag of the RSS feed
21:39:47 <Taneb> zzo38, there are many different notifiers, I've seen all three of those strategies
21:40:36 <zzo38> Well, you could make a program that notifies when receiving a IRC message starting with "`slist" or whatever, if it help
21:41:20 <Taneb> zzo38, that's an abomination
21:41:40 <zzo38> Maybe to you it is.
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21:42:26 <zzo38> But why?
21:43:08 <Taneb> It takes all the fun out of it
21:43:28 <zzo38> I don't think so.
21:44:05 <oerjan> zzo38: it means that when logreading i have to search the logs for more than my nick, which is inconvenient.
21:44:45 <Taneb> Goodnight
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21:45:02 <zzo38> oerjan: If you do it manually, then surely. But depending exactly what you are looking for, it might or might not help.
21:45:41 <oerjan> zzo38: it's what i do whenever i log on irc to see if someone pinged me since i left.
21:47:43 <zzo38> Of course it is a HackEgo program; you can make it do whatever you want it to do (if saying your name is all that is necessary, then you can do that). Sometimes HackEgo is unavailable though, so in those cases it may help to still filter directly on the command
21:48:52 <zzo38> (I have used "`danddreclist" when HackEgo was unavailable, although when it was available again someone told me to do it again so I did; of course I might not be on, though, so don't expect me to necessarily do that)
21:51:48 <quintopia> zzo38: can you add me to the bdsmreclist
21:52:07 <zzo38> quintopia: No, because I don't know of any such thing.
21:52:39 <quintopia> zzo38: well, when such a thing becomes available, please add me
21:53:49 <zzo38> Set up the notifier in your own computer if you are interested, or add yourself on. I won't necessarily be on or remember it.
21:53:51 * oerjan swats quintopia -----###
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21:54:14 <Bike> we'll have to set up a bdsmreclistlist for updates on the existential status of bdsmreclist.
21:54:35 <quintopia> zzo38: i think oerjan wants to be on the list too, thanks
21:55:20 * oerjan hits quintopia with the saucepan ===\__/
22:03:54 <Phantom_Hoover> bdsmreclist......
22:04:20 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits
22:04:37 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, that pun is a form of bdsm
22:04:49 <oerjan> well record it then
22:05:12 <Phantom_Hoover> `run echo "<oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits" > bsdmreclist
22:05:16 <HackEgo> No output.
22:05:44 <Phantom_Hoover> `run echo "* oerjan swats quintopia -----###" >> bdsmreclist
22:05:47 <HackEgo> No output.
22:06:04 <Phantom_Hoover> that's a start
22:08:16 <Phantom_Hoover> what the shit
22:08:20 <Phantom_Hoover> `run ls b*
22:08:22 <HackEgo> bdsmreclist \ bi \ bsdmreclist \ \ bin: \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ @ \ ؟ \ WELCOME \ \ \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ cat \ CaT \ cats \ danddreclist \ define \ delquote \ e \ emmental \ emoclew \ emptylist \ erflist \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ ga
22:08:38 <Phantom_Hoover> there's something up with the fshg browser
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22:11:53 <oerjan> with what
22:13:31 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i have no idea what you are talking about
22:16:21 <Phantom_Hoover> well it had two listings for bdsmreclist
22:16:40 <oerjan> no, look closer
22:18:46 <oerjan> alternately get treatment for dyslexia
22:19:59 <oerjan> *+-iv-
22:21:13 <olsner> although if you're right half/some the time, maybe alternately getting treatment is what you want
22:22:52 * oerjan is reminded of the house episode with a painter whose paintings made no sense but only in some months.
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23:11:26 <Sgeo> `slist
23:11:28 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
23:12:43 <oerjan> hm better than average mezzacotta today, i think
23:13:16 <oerjan> *than usual
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23:42:04 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Death-related_lists
23:42:20 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how they felt the number of death-related lists was getting out of hand
23:42:33 <Phantom_Hoover> so they made a bunch of subcategories
23:42:59 <Fiora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
23:44:40 <Bike> still kind of sad they deleted the worst article, "list of lists of fictional things"
23:48:37 <Bike> is there a category:life-related lists, or should i sue wikipedia for antinatalism
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