< 1378253382 79139 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1378253543 452281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; ls -1 | grep '[:upper:]' < 1378253545 257904 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead. < 1378253549 153199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1378253556 386329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | grep '[:upper:]' < 1378253558 17094 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bicategory \ bienvenue \ bigcharà \ bike \ bird \ bonvenon \ botlop \ braid theory \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ cakeprophet \ california \ caps lock \ category \ category-helpdesk \ category theory \ cello \ certainly \ certainty \ chess \ claustrophobia \ cocoonspirator \ coffe < 1378253569 873344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1378253587 691000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is weird, and there is broken. this is broken. < 1378253685 110153 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am annoyed that oerjan has decided to annoy people < 1378253687 484147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | LANG= grep '[:upper:]' < 1378253689 58805 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bicategory \ bienvenue \ bigcharà \ bike \ bird \ bonvenon \ botlop \ braid theory \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ cakeprophet \ california \ caps lock \ category \ category-helpdesk \ category theory \ cello \ certainly \ certainty \ chess \ claustrophobia \ cocoonspirator \ coffe < 1378253695 845001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1378253697 712147 :^v!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^onrv < 1378253717 510015 :^onrv!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1378253722 197158 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin | grep '[[:upper:]]' < 1378253723 623411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i have no idea why this prints those lines < 1378253723 768956 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378253763 765936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | LANG=C grep '[A-Z]' < 1378253765 410147 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo's relevant info \ wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute." < 1378253933 360462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/{R,r}"oujo's relevant info" < 1378253936 879314 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378253942 781946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | LANG=C grep '[A-Z]' < 1378253944 499368 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute." < 1378253978 238008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's not my fault that grep with a locale completely ignores the intended meaning of [:upper:] < 1378254032 877869 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo TEST | grep '[[:upper:]]' < 1378254034 357320 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST < 1378254038 367325 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo TEST | grep '[[:lower:]]' < 1378254039 748903 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378254048 909789 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't hear you < 1378254057 906172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1378254101 804312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats himself -----###
< 1378254549 386004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read somewhere of "Rochester poker", where you make a poker hand like you draft cards in Magic: the Gathering. < 1378254559 890751 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1378254561 509554 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1378254566 777601 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1378254570 629438 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I expected < 1378254587 440876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: I have seen that joke before, in some book < 1378254602 333181 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ < 1378254603 850496 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378254604 102032 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               | < 1378254604 290578 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             o/`¯º < 1378254644 452680 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? myndzi < 1378254646 220446 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi keeps us all on our feet < 1378254647 466068 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ Your dongers. Raise them. ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ > wisdom/ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ < 1378254650 310010 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378254677 319367 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm impressed at the amount of characters filenames can take < 1378254845 784632 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1378255056 523564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn donger < 1378255057 766219 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "donger". < 1378255069 363193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck donger < 1378255099 186907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in "native" UNIX filesystems you can have any byte except 0x00 or 0x2F ('/') and it doesn't much care what encoding they conform to, either < 1378255105 256866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cephalopod shortage < 1378255191 429816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but presumably there are UTF-8 characters encoded with a 0x2f? < 1378255206 312529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1378255209 249999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x2f is only used to encode the character 0x2f < 1378255220 473428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the codepoint < 1378255248 222588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 follows the Principle of Extended ASCII, so it means all ASCII codes always correspond to themself. < 1378255275 82563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :endocorrespondence < 1378255311 527105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the genius of the prophet ken thompson < 1378255365 121295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs using UTF-8 fail to follow the Principle of Extended ASCII, however. < 1378255540 763470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1378257883 381655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote my contract states right here that I have to tell you the best version of python is called haskell 2010 < 1378257887 573467 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1100) my contract states right here that I have to tell you the best version of python is called haskell 2010 < 1378257922 333570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't confuse Python with Haskell. < 1378257944 600937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not confusion it's a joke < 1378257982 859034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a joke, you may not be confusing things, but you still shouldn't confuse it (regardless of whether or not you do). < 1378258538 741939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378258564 471769 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378258995 585009 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:f102:9ed:a2e3:7f6e PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist if you haven't seen the one from a few hours ago < 1378258997 263837 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist if you haven't seen the one from a few hours ago: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1378259171 413500 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1378259174 56515 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1378259184 955051 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1378259222 655023 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so hard to come up with an architecture that's simple and efficient < 1378259231 763197 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just end up with another MIPS clone < 1378259247 355090 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they pay people big bux for doing so, i guess! < 1378259248 434903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: It does seems so. < 1378259259 239378 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've ended up with < 1378259262 510477 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov add sub cmp ucp mul < 1378259262 656015 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and or xor lsr lsl asr < 1378259262 801346 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld ldh ldb lds ldc st sth stb < 1378259262 801507 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jz jnz jp jl jr sys < 1378259274 295750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now describe it < 1378259294 922605 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all instructions are opcode rd, rx, ry/#immediate < 1378259299 434414 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except jumps < 1378259306 589337 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where rd = destination register < 1378259312 232815 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rx = source register 1 < 1378259333 282797 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ry/#immediate = source 2 is either a register, or an immediate < 1378259337 786075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1378259352 615135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the registers, then? What are the other features? < 1378259379 437117 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :registers are... r0..r15 or r0..r31, haven't decided on 16 vs 32 yet < 1378259401 863313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also describe exact function of instructions. < 1378259429 986692 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov add sub mul and or xor lsr lsl asr are exactly what you'd expect < 1378259439 204602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is expected. < 1378259467 118116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are others, though? < 1378259504 365961 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmp does a signed comparison between two registers and writes 0 if rx is smaller than ry, and... -1 if it's larger (or it could be 1, I'm not sure which is better, MIPS goes for 1) < 1378259524 125069 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ucp is the same thing but with unsigned comparison < 1378259529 123597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1378259575 868480 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld is 32 bit load, source #2 is shifted 2 bits left and added to source #1 and then the aligned data at that address is loaded < 1378259607 66903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both using -1 and using +1 can be useful for different reasons (for C compiling, you should use +1; for BASIC, you should use -1; Forth tends to use -1 too) < 1378259618 162910 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldh lds are 16bit, unsigned and signed, source #2 is shifted 1 bit < 1378259645 581127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1378259646 398788 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldb ldc are 8bit, unsigned and signed, source #2 isn't shifted < 1378259676 608848 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :st sth stb are stores (32bit, 16bit, 8bit respectively, source #2 is shifted the right amount of bits) < 1378259692 980782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it source #2 which is signed? < 1378259705 64608 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the data loaded from memory < 1378259716 990528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1378259722 607083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is sign extended. < 1378259728 517579 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1378259771 691571 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jz checks if a register is 0, and jumps to an immediate offset if yes (signed offset relative to the instruction) < 1378259785 87105 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jnz is same but for register != 0 < 1378259809 395197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1378259814 567068 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jp is same but always jumps (and might have a larger immediate but is still relative to PC) < 1378259861 588468 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jl is the same but it writes the value of the PC to a register (probably r14 or r30, ARM uses r13) < 1378259880 276682 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jr jumps to the memory address in a register < 1378259898 84850 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so returning from a function is effectively jr r14 < 1378259918 377448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the PC is also one of the registers, do you need jr instruction? < 1378259931 509472 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC is not a named register < 1378259946 605094 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not orthogonal enough < 1378259961 468214 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM had that (PC = r15) and regretted it < 1378259990 978106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do suppose having the number for PC register can be messing up caching < 1378260018 276849 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl on a typical pipeline the PC will be at least a couple cycles off < 1378260047 675569 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once the design becomes superscalar with branch prediction the relationship becomes even crazier < 1378260052 702375 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth it < 1378260053 334502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think explicit pipelining and caching should be better though < 1378260066 934202 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I didn't peg you for a fan of Itanic. < 1378260097 121681 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicit pipelining sounds like a bad plan to me but I'm not familiar with the concept < 1378260167 603141 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you explicit pipeline a cpu anyways < 1378260170 304316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not implementing it at all would be better than having it automatic < 1378260312 484370 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with the PC is that it lives in a completely different part of the pipeline < 1378260350 603926 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it needs its own read/write ports < 1378260357 508403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that might be done is having a microcode memory partially ROM and partially RAM, and then your program is running in there (there can be more than one microcode core, for parallel execution of some instructions), which can use the data RAM in the microcode for caching; you can then which which microcode memory spaces are address and data. < 1378260370 107215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean which are program and data) < 1378260404 593500 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you gain nothing from conflating the PC with the other registers < 1378260425 381206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it is not quite harvard, because you can swap the program with the data < 1378260435 465449 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1378260458 458741 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd definitively keep instruction cache and microcode separate < 1378260472 382504 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and data cache too < 1378260480 367111 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Except when you're dealing in emulation. Then the PC is best considered another register. < 1378260496 792085 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: true < 1378260498 116433 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, nobody designs ISAs around emulators. :) < 1378260504 584067 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1378260512 647846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Except for Z-machine < 1378260513 712958 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for emulators I'd still keep the PC separate < 1378260527 810670 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually for emulators I'd go for total hardvard architecture < 1378260532 90552 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean "CPU ISAs" obviously. < 1378260541 709912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes < 1378260556 654811 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Obviously VMs are designed all the time. :) < 1378260559 638582 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably even separate the return address stack from everything else < 1378260575 760886 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Hmm. True, this would make some aspects a lot simpler. < 1378260612 340825 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, any sort of optimization of the VM beyond naive intepretation. < 1378260619 113721 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd remove the "register jump" and replace it with "indirect jump with a look up table" or something like that < 1378260628 534060 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all the jumps can be easily retargetted < 1378260650 231852 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure you can relatively easy JIT recompile your code < 1378260654 637923 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it runs fast < 1378260657 925379 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1378260678 531377 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get fairly impressive performance from an interpreter if you're quite careful in its design. < 1378260709 536095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think Z-machine is well designed (that is, the one Infocom designed) < 1378260710 830239 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you get 7 registers" "why" "cause that's how many fits in the x86 recompiled code" < 1378260752 223369 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secret is to have an indirect jump at the end of each instruction's code so the branch predictor doesn't do literally 100% misprediction. < 1378260768 588878 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still mispredicts a lot, obviously, but hey. < 1378260788 414391 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it might be possible to shuffle the stack pointer around in some less important register and get 8 registers < 1378260808 164228 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : oh that's a nice idea actually < 1378260821 166555 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it. It helps quite a bit. < 1378260826 37526 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wondering how to get msvc to compile that kind of code < 1378260839 913787 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the answer there is "don't". < 1378260853 657170 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, alternately, have a switch statement in a macro. :) < 1378260893 314653 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I have to check if MSVC compiles it to multiple return statements or a single one < 1378260944 664966 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, re: x86 registers. Though inconvenient you could honestly use the floating point register stack for a few more registers. < 1378260975 259131 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that would be any faster than just using memory for the overflow registers < 1378260994 252742 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that you can actually do integer arithmetic with those registers. < 1378261018 556803 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's any opcodes for transferring data to/from normal registrers to FPU ones < 1378261032 107034 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are some for MMX registers and SSE ones I think < 1378261080 178737 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1378261110 355127 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a CPU with dynamic microcode, you really want the microcode to be in a separate bank than instruction and data cache < 1378261140 51451 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you have to share your access ports between the microcode and data cache < 1378261158 89646 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which divides your throughput and increases the width of your multiplexers < 1378261162 949784 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like double bad < 1378261262 773050 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's possible to design a fast cpu with dynamic microcode either < 1378261278 497672 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem there's an instruction for transferring to/from normal registers, no. < 1378261296 124650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Well, it isn't fast if the program isn't written in microcodes. < 1378261301 164038 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to memory. < 1378261313 586349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I still want to simplify it by having the microcode being the only cache (there can still be a separate program and data cache, and you can switch which one is program and which one is data) < 1378261396 98234 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably simplest to just go via MMX. < 1378261397 403671 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not simplifying it < 1378261406 989686 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make it the same as some other thing < 1378261429 744381 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you make them separate, then you can simply make everything read 1 data on every cycle < 1378261433 174523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program cache I mean is only the microcode program cache though < 1378261435 623535 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 instruction per cycle < 1378261446 301898 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 memory read per cycle < 1378261455 209189 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 microcode access per cycle < 1378261475 169482 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you conflate, say, the data cache and microcode cache < 1378261493 895536 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to decide on each cycle who gets to read from it < 1378261511 36237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't what I am doing, as I am specifying < 1378261605 933695 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like the instruction cache contains microcode instead of instructions? < 1378261615 270503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1378261773 811180 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually not a bad idea < 1378261779 90314 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentium 4 did that < 1378261782 154453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The microcode ROM would load the rest of the microcode program from the external ROM and then switch to the other bank. < 1378261824 813098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A microcode program would then be unable to modify itself directly; you would have to load a program into the other bank which modifies this one, instead. < 1378261861 394212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is also the only way for the microcode program to read itself) < 1378261933 149594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if any computer does this, but I like it < 1378261957 123363 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to look up on how the pentium 4 did its trace cache < 1378262073 416776 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how the crusoe did its crazy stuff < 1378262286 743129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What similarities and differences is there from what I wrote about? < 1378262329 912186 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crusoe is some kind of VLIW with 128bit opcodes < 1378262342 337168 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the first thing it does is load up some x86 emulator < 1378262374 954496 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it dynamically translates x86 code into its VLIW instruction set as it goes along < 1378262385 653609 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never get access to the VLIW core < 1378262418 572747 :^v!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sooooo ||ed < 1378262455 541486 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reserves something like 512k for the VLIW operation < 1378262476 354075 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has all sorts of insane stuff to keep the emulation running smooth < 1378262495 611863 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like explicit memory anti-aliasing instructions < 1378262546 616656 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pentium 4 is a lot more sane < 1378262837 906027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do any have the only cache being microcode cache, there are two of them and you can switch between which is program and which is data? < 1378262858 711903 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1378262940 330213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make such thing < 1378262942 993313 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to switch would add extra multiplexers in the cpu < 1378262945 743524 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it slower < 1378262967 962725 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, switching would probably require a pipeline flush < 1378263009 867641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can understand those things < 1378263075 470740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I was thinking of not even having a pipeline, and furthermore the user program is written in microcodes therefore it isn't as slow < 1378263098 225558 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:f102:9ed:a2e3:7f6e PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1378263099 922363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1378263130 61271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any pipeline it does have is explicitly programmed using multi cores; there would be no implicit pipelining < 1378263265 628107 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general problem with explicit pipelining is that it's very hard to process a clean interrupt on that < 1378263302 452761 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik you have to freeze everything and then empty all the multiple cycle versions of everything < 1378263358 101193 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gamzee < 1378263454 220728 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS etc had these problems < 1378263461 749549 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on branch delay slots < 1378263515 333351 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Branch delay slots. Sigh. < 1378263519 839889 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a wonky idea. < 1378263521 121876 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the first few MIPS had some bugs on when interrupts happened on the same cycle as branches < 1378263560 212132 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : it's sorta worth it when you're at 1 instruction per cycle and you don't have a branch target buffer < 1378263576 278015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ignore that stuff and you instead implement it in the user program. < 1378263582 226809 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then when you become superscalar with a branch predictor you regret it < 1378263617 330965 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is mostly an embedded CPU nowadays so it might have been good for them overall < 1378263679 401718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't add superscalar, branch prediction, and all that stuff; implement static prediction in the parts of the user program which are written in microcodes. < 1378263727 117513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also implement the other things using that, and using multi core microcodes (they do not all have to be equivalent cores) < 1378263738 181988 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1378263763 439839 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a design like that you're probably better of handling interrupts on a separate CPU < 1378263789 487774 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when an interrupt happens, completely freeze the larger configurable core < 1378263815 569122 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a smaller specialized core correctly save/restore the state and handle interrupts < 1378263830 324817 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378263833 629481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could do that < 1378263906 25835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might work < 1378263960 437571 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of code do you want to run? < 1378263995 329831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you be more specific? < 1378264051 582252 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to emulate existing cpus or do fast number crunching or run straight C++ code with memory ops and jumps all over the place? < 1378264077 534424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run a code which is programmed specificly for this CPU < 1378264101 679122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmed using microcodes that do what is helpful < 1378264115 179805 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1378264124 920052 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so assembly code? < 1378264129 224859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1378264137 349058 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing what sort of processing? < 1378264150 149119 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we, like, used different CPUs for different kinds of programs,,, and, like, made it all super fast, man...................... < 1378264153 493790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know entirely, but there are a few different kinds I was thinking of < 1378264167 206044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You shouldn't have too many though < 1378264171 242523 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, if we could manage gigahertz FPGAs... :) < 1378264227 577335 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want a computer made of acids :( < 1378264235 632723 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could 8 way superscalar execute MIPS code I'd be pretty impressed :o < 1378264235 936996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One think I think of involves emulating 6502 or the old x86, other thing that could be done is Z-machine, you could also do mathematical things, possibly physics, graphics, audio, there are many things to do. Some kinds of things do not have to be as fast as other things, though. < 1378264284 830903 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 is like impossible to optimize < 1378264294 292757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see, therefore, that some things don't have to be so fast as other things, just because of the kind of programs < 1378264326 873298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Yes I know that, but it wouldn't have to be as fast as other things anyways < 1378264337 207264 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a neuromorphic machine, partly because "neurmorphic" sounds too cool to be real < 1378264346 606784 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's why I'm asking what's your heavyest usage element < 1378264368 954304 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parts that can be slow aren't really important and can be implemented any way < 1378264390 619837 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you start with a boring old MIPS it does ok at pretty much all of those things < 1378264403 938947 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok with an FPU for code that uses that) < 1378264469 257418 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe with some MAC/SIMD opcodes for sound processing instead) < 1378264475 960245 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1378264484 323745 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know what's the limiting factor < 1378264503 338231 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going to make a difference < 1378264539 630813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that you can simplify it and not implement a lot of things in hardware; implement most of in user microcodes, and then the microcodes can be designed so that things that are really complicated will run fast. < 1378264583 799427 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really simplify a MIPS < 1378264661 199341 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single issue MIPS is like a 2 port 32 register file wired more or less straight into a 32 bit ALU wired more or less straight into the data cache < 1378264679 930281 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or RAM) < 1378264716 232948 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With opcodes as close as possible to microcode < 1378264716 605018 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I suspect you could simplify it slightly. But you'd be shuffling a few relatively inessential features. < 1378264757 200945 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take out the ADD instruction that does interrupts on overflows yeah < 1378264773 291821 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably the add carry instruction too (if I remember correctly) < 1378264774 78627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not worried too much about speed, and consider simplicity of the implementation to be more important < 1378264781 563392 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS definitely lacks gratuitous insanity, which already makes it, like, the simplest common ISA. < 1378264813 177268 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take out the multiplier < 1378264818 499521 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then multiplies are a lot slower < 1378264834 974243 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take out the multiple memory access sizes < 1378264855 861616 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then if you have something that does 8 or 16 bit accesses it becomes a lot slower < 1378264886 96488 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take out the memory ops that do address calculation < 1378264934 96181 :^v!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :notmad < 1378264939 451315 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you're using more registers and more instruction cache and also memory accesses become 2 cycles for real essentially < 1378264960 924250 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bad idea < 1378265033 499456 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess it would simplify implementation) < 1378265179 945139 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1378265255 742290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why I suggested doing things such as programming the user program in microcodes < 1378265270 36866 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably take out most immediates in instructions which would make it appreciably slower and use up registers but it would simplify the instruction set < 1378265304 371153 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using microcodes would definitely make it easier to implement < 1378265311 671917 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe not slower < 1378265317 347859 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but harder to program also < 1378265329 704238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why I suggest it; it make it easier to implement and not slower. < 1378265331 18420 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would have larger programs < 1378265404 690992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still have the user program in the microcode to implement some instruction set for the rest of the program if it would help to do so for that particular program, but you don't have to, in case it won't help with that program < 1378265434 337490 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds sorta like the itanium < 1378265440 374689 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was VLIW-ish < 1378265450 850912 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: I'd be in favor of taking out immediates if you just wanted a "very simple" ISA. < 1378265454 883555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, VLIW is also part of the design I am thinking of to do < 1378265464 32375 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually worked kinda well for floating point code < 1378265466 48976 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I'll agree with your point (in essence) < 1378265481 936006 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was just worse than x86 for normal integer stuff < 1378265496 18807 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is about as simple as you can get without having to hit major tradeoffs. < 1378265540 232140 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as "eh, it'll be notably slower at any computations, but who cares" < 1378265543 67096 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to larger instructions (= less instruction cache and instruction loading bandwidth), less crazy reordering and memory renaming etc < 1378265559 406205 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's kinda hard to take anything from MIPS < 1378265576 942766 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, every thing it has is useful < 1378265608 645523 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inversely it's not that easy to add stuff to MIPS < 1378265620 791031 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from separate stuff like a FPU and a SIMD unit < 1378265641 382677 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And goofy stuff that you wonder why any human being would desire it. < 1378265655 705600 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any kind of thing you can add has a performance downside somewhere < 1378265684 975636 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular running out of register read ports < 1378265686 355045 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could *totally* have a "x86 segmented address to physical address" instruction in there, it'd just be a bad idea. :) < 1378265703 164208 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *if* all you want to do with it is emulate 16-bit x86. < 1378265713 82032 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1378265744 966038 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure even x86 cpus have an extra cycle latency penalty somewhere if you use that stuff too < 1378265775 148759 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I imagine. There's rather a lot of x86 features floating around that you can only use at serious cost. < 1378265791 347803 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1378265805 492603 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at just enough cost that it's just not worth it < 1378265830 152684 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on, x87 handles BCD. < 1378265847 331376 :notmad!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1378265858 548852 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you're not gaining anything over using the x86 as some kind of degenerate MIPS < 1378265899 15025 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure if the instructions that do a calculation + a memory load aren't worth it though < 1378265910 178971 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like add eax, [ebx + 64] < 1378266011 388737 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a lot of downsides (it's 3 cycles+ latency and it has all the complexity of both a memory load and a calculation, plus it can require 3 register read ports) < 1378266030 740076 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also kindof compact and useful and it's essentially 2 instructions in 1 < 1378266053 101213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The modern x86 set is really extremely too complicated < 1378266087 251519 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not designed, it's evolved. < 1378266108 746011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is evolved badly too. < 1378266109 852715 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it could use some selection pressure. < 1378266123 571141 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, has there been any work on mechanical processor design < 1378266168 506682 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could use some pruning yes < 1378266180 88907 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly some way of getting rid of 16bit mode < 1378266201 449801 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like evolving an instruction set where the fitness measurement is the average performance on some benchmark programs, or something. < 1378266215 213838 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and segment addressing if possible (which might be impossible due to being used in win32 programs) < 1378266218 575267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the thing you should get rid of is things like Super Mario game in one instruction and so on < 1378266226 781520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x86 doesn't have that, but it has things almost as complicated) < 1378266242 570446 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has BCD < 1378266261 844148 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has BCD in multiple different ways. < 1378266263 383446 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is retarded but at some point a bank wanted it so they got it < 1378266291 718901 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's BCD on the normal registers *and* BCD in the x87 FPU. < 1378266305 275910 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :always wanted floating point bcd < 1378266316 597108 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to imagine the perf on x87 FPU :3 < 1378266329 569346 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something monstruous like an interrupt on each operation < 1378266330 599629 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's the funny part. It's not floating point. < 1378266341 538298 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x87 actually can be used as an integer unit as well. < 1378266356 230686 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1378266357 256872 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16, 32, and 64 bit ints. < 1378266368 127914 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness i looked up the x87 pusher once and found out he's pretty much crazy. < 1378266370 891623 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's... horrible < 1378266419 233408 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, not quite as bad as you'd expect at least. x87 float's mantissa is 64 bits. < 1378266454 254001 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of using the fpu for doing integer calculations < 1378266467 286304 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086. < 1378266494 491895 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously anybody got an answer re: my random speuclating < 1378266495 496504 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't the 8087 have monstruously long cycle times? < 1378266508 231595 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378266510 343990 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just made myself a nice Read instance for (a -> b) using the hint package. I’ve been needing that. < 1378266527 790666 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared with doing 64-bit int add from your 16-bit ALU? :) < 1378266529 845400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: How does that work? < 1378266543 572945 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's like 3 ADC's and an ADD < 1378266567 282131 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the hint package allows one to interpret Haskell in Haskell using GHC as a library. < 1378266569 236633 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how long that is on the 8086 but on the 286 and 386 that's not particularly long < 1378266585 492039 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's goofy. < 1378266598 399426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: O, OK, I suppose that can work. < 1378266608 854153 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 24 cycles if your operand is in memory < 1378266663 204429 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1378266676 10017 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were *non* 8087-compatible floating point coprocessors for the 8086 < 1378266694 429033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, x86 is really stupid. < 1378266695 343119 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1378266716 547730 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is still better than 6502 < 1378266719 538126 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This worked because the 8086 < 1378266729 630638 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's probably better than the z80 < 1378266736 69282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think x86 is the most stupid one. < 1378266739 323652 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1378266749 51056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1378266749 375210 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 6502 is impossible to pipeline < 1378266752 26053 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s knowledge of floats was just looking for the sequence 0b11011. < 1378266768 652338 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x86 has lots of cruft but it's pipelinable < 1378266778 522765 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd probably regret the 6502 a lot more than the x86 if it'd survived. < 1378266825 504717 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502's 2013 version still has the page boundary bug,for compat :D < 1378266840 227924 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, aside from the cruft and the memory-operation opcodes and no 3 operand opcodes, the x86 is still essentially an 8 register RISC < 1378266848 786821 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guarantee that the hacks on the 6502 would be at *least* as bad as x86. < 1378266871 147353 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can turn the x86 into the pentium < 1378266884 466213 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually pretty nice in many ways < 1378266888 951632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, they would, but that is why, don't do it. < 1378266899 65842 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make a pentium version of the 6502 < 1378266904 259106 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially unpossible < 1378266928 639088 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't upgrade 6502 by evolution for thirty years. got it. < 1378266944 49546 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to try something insane like turning the zero page into a register file < 1378266955 727903 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awesomely shitty. < 1378266964 341999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why, don't do such things; keep it as it is. < 1378266967 449866 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is bad because you don't want to break DOS. < 1378266977 859115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But DOS is not so bad. < 1378266979 289971 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also combining multiple opcodes together into single opcodes < 1378266981 827466 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1378267058 339937 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lda $60 + clcl + adc $64 + sta $68 => add r68h, r60h, r64h < 1378267149 6997 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar enough with the z80 but it has similar faults < 1378267176 293483 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly that they ran out of instructions super fast so it has instruction prefixes all over the place < 1378267182 647647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378267182 974164 :fizzie!fis@2001:470:27:b5b::2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378267183 999077 :fizzie!fis@2001:470:27:b5b::2 QUIT :Changing host < 1378267184 144720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1378267302 983717 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it does have enough registers to compute stuff so it's probably a lot better than the 6502 still < 1378267303 166325 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, afaik it's somewhere between the 6502 and the x86 in terms of design < 1378267303 166480 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :68000 might have been better than x86 < 1378267340 418149 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at least an OK instruction set since they pipelined it and superscalared it < 1378267346 778675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1378267357 853586 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure if the separation between address and data registers is a good or a bad thing < 1378267416 898315 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly more CISC than x86 but it doesn't have 8bit opcodes (everything is multiples of 16 bits) and it definitely has less instruction set insanity < 1378267446 372146 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it has opcodes that do like 4 thing and have debatable usefulness < 1378267561 535442 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again it doesn't have real mode < 1378267655 245267 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : anyhow < 1378267669 50954 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mips has more or less ideal latency for everything (1 cycle) < 1378267689 907215 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 cycle for memory access since that's really an add then a load) < 1378267721 81497 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the only real way to beat it is to do 2 or 3 or more things on each cycle < 1378267776 403958 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then again you could just superscalarize the mips and make it 2-instructions per cycle < 1378267791 203188 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you're once again not winning anything over the mips < 1378268057 856809 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially to win anything over the mips you need to be doing something like DSP < 1378268067 869615 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with hand coded assembly < 1378268088 501613 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not too many load/stores < 1378268131 333407 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if there are too many load/stores then the program becomes bottlenecked by memory bandwidth or something like that and then you're not faster than a MIPS) < 1378268143 630397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Pokemon card? < 1378268183 692093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone that can play Pokemon card, please review some thing I wrote relating to it < 1378268884 153974 :SingingBoyo!~Brandon@154.5.184.233 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378268968 313306 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.184.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378269376 973132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about "Worse-Is-Better" design? < 1378269525 513826 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1378269720 913821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also called New Jersey style. < 1378269762 584807 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, did the guy who wrote worse is better i forget his name like christopher alexander < 1378269798 765823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says Richard P. Gabriel < 1378269809 59862 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah him. < 1378269844 26935 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting guy. did some work on parallel code in lisp. trying to get straight how fucked he was wrt design though < 1378269850 854444 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever, like, seen christopher alexander's writing < 1378269867 482617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1378270008 827545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think too many programs in modern Linux systems are not implemented as a filter, even though they ought to be. The program "dvilj4" gives a help file when you invoke it with no arguments, although I think it ought to act like a filter < 1378270056 599880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higgledy piggledy, / richard p. gabriel / said worse is better / (so better is worse); // turns out the worst, though -- / worse even than better -- is / how i decided to / finish this verse < 1378270098 359248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: � more double dactyl < 1378270111 696283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1378270134 628727 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, beaut. < 1378270137 688372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that "(so" should be moved to the left of the /. < 1378270152 497998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you supposed to have one line that's a single word? maybe that's why it's worse < 1378270158 379532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1378270161 714606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that. :-( < 1378270221 354623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo someone fix it < 1378270366 831739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Do you have any idea relating to hardware programming languages? < 1378270754 283000 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1378271260 504449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a few things of some of my ideas. < 1378271293 578975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I have is that numbers are specified in binary format by default (you need a prefix for decimal and hex). < 1378271553 951784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is how module calls work; in Verilog you have module calls with names and I/O, but in HWPL (the name for my (incomplete) design), instead you have macro parameters in parentheses after the module name (the call itself has no name), and then after that you have the I/O vector (there is just one I/O vector). < 1378271675 18903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the number of bits in the I/O vector is an implicit macro parameter) < 1378271704 55688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of these kind of things? < 1378271992 760799 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda falling asleep atm :o < 1378272007 400659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1378272305 559963 :douglass!~douglass@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378273261 693894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to me that SQL is almost suitable for text adventure games. < 1378273704 436908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1378273705 755796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1378273761 635737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1378274151 662406 :^v!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378274584 237694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you think that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park is New Jersey Style < 1378274597 4673 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1378274616 85314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I may look later, not now < 1378274622 401054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1378274830 687071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wavelet trees are neat < 1378274836 920707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they < 1378274838 243762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed edwardk's explanation in -lens < 1378274842 73979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1378274850 140973 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wavelets have to do with lens? < 1378274860 781463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#-lens is more like #edwardk < 1378274882 121851 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It generalizes the \mathbf{rank}_q and \mathbf{select}_q operations defined on bitvectors to arbitrary alphabets." oh, that's nice. < 1378274910 379508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably paste the logs. < 1378275813 687126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what are some nifty data structures and things < 1378276452 794210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip lists < 1378276469 736061 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1378276637 198530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already know about those :'( < 1378276707 27525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :work stealing queues < 1378276745 659327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonacci heaps (comedy answer) < 1378277383 251855 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1378277769 359266 :ssue___!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qubjusoitndbinoo JOIN :#esoteric < 1378277874 453653 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvumuftjuqcpraen QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378277874 925877 :ssue___!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qubjusoitndbinoo NICK :ssue__ < 1378277992 347191 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.184.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378278195 673753 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378278199 231983 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone used Inline::C/ASM in Perl? < 1378278218 309159 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth using for just getting the address ESP points to? I feel like I'm cheating if I start using inline ASM in C, since I haven't been introduced to it. < 1378278267 539171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheating due to not being introduced to it? < 1378278273 383553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1378278358 254496 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't understand how it works, but I could read up on it. < 1378278371 433560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what "getting the address ESP points to" means in your context exactly. < 1378278397 70539 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: With regard to bufferoverflows/shellcode < 1378278412 822652 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it's the same as ripping code. < 1378278439 503787 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it's okay to just read up on it and use it, even if I haven't done it in K&R2? < 1378278469 532099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly not sure what you're on about. < 1378278650 994887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using some Perl thing to find the value of ESP within some Perl code would not be very helpful for exploiting a C program, I think < 1378278669 631755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you either learn the little bit of asm (it's not much) or do the hack of taking the address of a local variable, which will probably give you a number near ESP < 1378278680 604338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not really sure what you're on about, either < 1378278823 444067 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What I'm up to is just pointers, memcpy() and inline ASM. Pointers and memcpy() is chapter 5 I'm pretty certain, inline ASM I can just read up on after that. < 1378278832 569064 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost up to chapter 4, so I'll just have to speed through it. < 1378278862 409896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Inline::C for no particular reason. But I concur that getting the value of esp in an Inline::C function does not sound terribly useful. < 1378278992 75886 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It does sound ridiculous. < 1378279021 735596 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But, I felt like it's cheating if I used inline ASM in C. < 1378279032 373332 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not that far into it, yet. < 1378279056 908092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "TV plot" program has been updated; now you can make even more strange and/or interesting and/or bad movies. < 1378279508 540068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdile: Why do you need the address ESP points to? < 1378279534 912589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be very portable if you have ASM codes anyways < 1378279572 4602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is p. portable < 1378279616 27671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really so much. < 1378281075 114152 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378281765 435855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some way to unreverb audio signal? < 1378282017 566032 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to create a 'broken/vulnerable' encryption algorithm, in which one can obtain the key. http://pastebin.com/zj7b8Tsx < 1378282018 480664 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas? < 1378282111 910544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you try to do that? < 1378282135 522095 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for fun/learning < 1378282143 503251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1378282271 178071 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So any ideas? < 1378282313 177415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I have is somehow have in addition to the normal key, to have a algorithm key, which can be used to recover the normal key. < 1378282321 693667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you would do this, though. < 1378282429 825473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are various dereverberation algorithms, it's a big field. None of them are perfect, of course. < 1378282498 920306 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@sabis.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1378282554 673569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And usually need some assumptions.) < 1378282625 637702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for speech recognition? < 1378282643 245176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1378282666 858617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it isn't speech? < 1378282667 245316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might even be the context for majority of them. < 1378282728 433998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just apply the inverse of the reverb? how hard can it be? < 1378282739 53885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them presumably would work up to some degree. Esp. the multi-microphone ones, but you might have just a single channel. < 1378282785 468718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's p. easy if you have a good estimate of the reverb. < 1378282936 63761 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( i.e. 4 // random number generated by toss of fair die < 1378282936 745682 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1378282953 684573 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose if you use a block cipher with most of the block full of the same garbage in each block, then you will reveal the key < 1378283013 746019 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you poll /dev/random for 512 bits and compose blocks with the same 512 as fill.... < 1378283120 390718 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone? < 1378283139 333893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try that, see if it is working < 1378283175 358139 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum... spending over 1.5 hours writing a comment... exhausting < 1378283203 449360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What comment? < 1378283233 564251 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Hackage, it's a bit of a dense one. https://github.com/haskell/hackage-server/issues/40#issuecomment-23773355 < 1378283615 863750 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example. gen a key array; instead of target = xor(source[index],key_element[index])... do xor(source[index],key_element[index,index%N]) < 1378283741 197876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdile: Why do you have both "index" and "index%N" for the "key_element" now? < 1378283803 973030 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: take the same XOR code, but vary the key. the key is a keyset < 1378283811 471645 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of a 1d array, it's 2d. < 1378283874 12457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it certainly doesn't seem so useful (since not all of the array is in use, it would seem), unless you can vary N, or whatever < 1378284542 420955 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am suggesting two dimenions, with the second being somewhat small (10, 20) < 1378284567 48822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that already < 1378284649 164624 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but... in retrospect, i see that does not make it two dimensional, it just makes the other bytes redundat < 1378284650 826963 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1378284660 970934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I was saying < 1378284994 322576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378286409 462704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378286641 526675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist gamzee < 1378286643 13328 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist gamzee: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1378287647 565134 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rutviafgmspfksgc QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378287660 335271 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjzfdbczjebdjkpn QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1378287948 514346 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1378289433 895040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378291115 261543 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oefpjhxlxfpcxakq JOIN :#esoteric < 1378291389 886434 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zryxjtxobarscocr JOIN :#esoteric < 1378292041 225969 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1378293731 126234 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1378294099 799746 :Sgeo!~quassel@2002:ad03:4ea6:0:f102:9ed:a2e3:7f6e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378294189 243492 :sdile!6572496b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.114.73.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1378294322 349990 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378295043 357232 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378295125 268951 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i am nervous < 1378295527 352215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa? < 1378295873 417200 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you Fiora < 1378297047 766551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378297609 560137 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1378299749 329016 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1378299801 51477 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378299827 952147 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378301650 336870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good not-so-many-idlers-today morning! < 1378301751 437952 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idling is the great international pastime. :) < 1378301817 142449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhello! < 1378301875 780435 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378301923 670331 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome azaq23 < 1378301926 817557 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02azaq132302: Welcom03e to08 the03 inte12rnational hub for e09so12ter11ic programming l10anguage d09es12i10g07n and deployment! 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(04For the 13other k12ind of esoter02ic04a, try #esoteric14 on i11rc08.dal.net.12) < 1378302190 722870 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378302627 422315 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1378303011 554356 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1378303660 320309 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1378304521 491015 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1378304647 5695 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378304875 912694 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378305337 302428 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1378305697 395734 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378306653 738179 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378306993 500905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1378307020 40640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia. still voiced? < 1378307036 970148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378307048 430721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. i will stay voiced until my vps crashes again < 1378307050 663781 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellom_Hoover. < 1378307057 267367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that hasnt happened in a long time < 1378307106 564125 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many nines can you expect from your vps? what are the k and λ of the crashes per year? < 1378307173 527322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never crashed until this year. i have no idea why it started happening, but it was often for a while there. probably some changes i made causing a recurring kernel panic. < 1378307245 573769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1378307245 754281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i can't connect to steam < 1378307434 897987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people get emotionally estranged for subtle reasons. i doubt it is completely uncaused. what kinds of things have you been saying to steam the past few days? < 1378307550 967147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378307601 926396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i need an umlaut < 1378307642 445585 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ < 1378307649 646740 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a trema but no one will notice < 1378307755 73064 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I can umlautify random letters in my ongoing LaTeX project. < 1378307774 422356 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they'll be real, certified authentic german-made umlauts. accept no substitute!) < 1378307851 636252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378307852 194419 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also, if you're attempting to apply vodou on Phantom_Hoover with tréma, the rituals will... well... they'll work. but then there are Cönsequences. < 1378307865 202557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comment < 1378307913 208715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Cömment eh < 1378307918 785659 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I am not insane. the mayonnaise from that early morning BTL bagel from McDo didn't have no abverse effect on me whatsoever. < 1378307927 833296 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ab/ad/ < 1378307944 742673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i c wut u did thar < 1378307953 521648 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/TL/LT/ < 1378307962 787941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't fool me with your sneaky double negatives < 1378307979 179487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. foiled again! < 1378308157 587028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shoots a pineapple chunk at boily from a straw
< 1378308222 378144 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION receives a ballistic fruit chunk on his head. “Hey!�
< 1378308253 182681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only cure for mayo-induced insanity < 1378308305 400983 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares at quintopia �〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
< 1378308330 447880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks and hides
< 1378308555 491327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where you (appro�imately) live! you won't get away! nyah. nyah ah ah. MWAH AH AH AH AH AH AH! < 1378308619 513871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, � is used in Kurdish for [�]. interesting.) < 1378308728 114401 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotated-and-flipped small-but-capital R < 1378308871 924986 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: the metropolitan French «r». < 1378308913 258207 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zryxjtxobarscocr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378308950 125728 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1378308960 121365 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call it [r] then < 1378308990 676442 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, it's [�], but /r/. < 1378309007 140270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those phone{m,t}ic transliterations are confusing as fungot.) < 1378309007 286032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is just a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week, i fnord kara to hold me until i fell over, with much ado. your sister is the better part made mercie, i should think at least, that is expressions which have not been able to < 1378309012 134933 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oh hai < 1378309057 652742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you don't know my current coordinates1 < 1378309062 228190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: �早�。 < 1378309064 106927 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily:are you implying that phonetics written as /.../ and [...] are two DIFFERENT languages? < 1378309086 229112 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :��? < 1378309131 680361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: afaiu, the phonemic /.../ uses as many different symbols needed to differentiate all recognized sounds in a language, and then you have [...] for the exact realisation. itthth. < 1378309134 963915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: bon matin. < 1378309156 693758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bof < 1378309177 444012 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: so, whatever the way we each realise our «r»s, it'll be /r/ because French has a single «r» sound. < 1378309188 99728 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ohayou gozaimasu! =D < 1378309201 323136 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do some japanese, just... no kanjis =P < 1378309202 197789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: say, do you roll your «r»? < 1378309210 881913 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Define rolling < 1378309219 66784 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you just post SAMPA, it doesn't count < 1378309225 16008 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a different /../ for every language, but there's a signle [...] and it's international? < 1378309227 95015 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IPA < 1378309237 239968 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever < 1378309246 769274 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill < 1378309250 529427 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Better yet! Record yourself, and I'll tell you < 1378309250 674773 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: something like that. there's some fuziness, depending on what you're analysing. < 1378309251 514176 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rolling an r" imo < 1378309257 128848 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Thanks ^^ < 1378309273 376097 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that >_> < 1378309290 512134 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_uvular_fricative usual french r < 1378309292 647276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: c'est pas compliqué pour moi. prend l'accent de québec. < 1378309300 64502 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not in québec though < 1378309311 664664 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: That's how I say it, yeah < 1378309314 530475 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I have a friend from the Beauce region who rolls her rs. < 1378309342 978346 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means < 1378309354 543034 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1378309370 658859 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means < 1378309374 900623 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101) nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means < 1378309388 286077 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Koen_ < 1378309390 215673 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378309390 437305 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1378309390 620929 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          º¯`\o < 1378309391 56030 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Koen < 1378309392 879797 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378309393 178203 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           | < 1378309393 323355 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         o/`¯º < 1378309394 649071 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to fix that < 1378309405 254098 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum. < 1378309433 608764 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Uvular Fricative Expert, according to his girlfriend. *wink wink nudge nudge* > wisdom/koen_ < 1378309437 28010 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378309438 112057 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: the trilled r still exists. your best bet for hearing it is to find a vicar. < 1378309446 946437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/koen_ < 1378309447 603992 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1378309450 658331 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378309452 79399 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyy < 1378309452 224600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just lazy < 1378309461 165713 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Phantom < 1378309467 317730 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, what do you suggest, then? < 1378309505 413672 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: also are you sure you can use the character '*' in a parameter for echo without quotes? < 1378309522 276132 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Nope. Didn't stop me, though =P < 1378309530 566845 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst that could happen? < 1378309556 263970 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: just to be sure, use a «*̈». < 1378309572 431299 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could run the command with every file that matches *wink and every file that matches nudge*, or something < 1378309594 199997 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: How the hell do you do these < 1378309619 254916 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Using echo? < 1378309632 272041 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had done something like rm, then yeah < 1378309638 177954 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cat < 1378309647 124819 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But echo... I don't see how it could break < 1378309658 58285 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one way to find out < 1378309663 625234 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And no, that's not "man echo") < 1378309669 106285 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test *test* test < 1378309670 642624 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test *test* test < 1378309676 711929 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test *test* test > testing < 1378309678 770027 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: http://pastebin.com/RS5hV8JH < 1378309680 935687 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378309686 354340 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat testing < 1378309687 905845 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test *test* test < 1378309690 491786 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1378309711 870613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: candian multilingual standard keyboard layout, and iso level 3 abuse :D < 1378309728 206794 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Oooh, nice. I see what you mean now. < 1378309740 599844 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, some customisation, UIM with Anthy, and a waaaaaay too permissive terminal) < 1378309741 553838 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said that it would overwrite all the files < 1378309750 104155 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no echo wouldn't do that < 1378309753 432670 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1378309755 351606 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I meant filename, not file < 1378309757 480387 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I get what you mean now < 1378309782 79475 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know what could happen, I just figured that it wouldn't break anything other than that wisdom itself < 1378309861 626243 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I see =P < 1378309920 882311 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: IPA input is a little bit more involved. I need a GTK app (usually leafpad) to select the input method, then copy&paste into weechat. < 1378309955 722658 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh =P < 1378310067 890106 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ab5:99ff:fef3:f256 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378310617 675446 :PixelToast!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378310718 259519 :Solain!54e592e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.229.146.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378310765 558284 :Solain!54e592e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.229.146.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone active? < 1378311106 646755 :Solain!54e592e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.229.146.232 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1378311234 678156 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1378311331 937984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like shubshub < 1378311336 669515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool I'm still an op < 1378311346 119664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would anyone like to be banned?? < 1378311533 456034 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378311704 866607 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to quit, really < 1378311707 340604 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thanks < 1378311711 430188 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wow, Solain < 1378311720 61318 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good... 6 minutes? < 1378311754 379093 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, imo kick kmc he's bear < 1378311797 12317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll kick glogbackup for not actually needing to be here. < 1378311801 124326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: will that break anything? < 1378311922 361560 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378312381 609294 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott kicks glogbot, freenode dies < 1378312405 457570 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :»Just got a PR pitch that described the act of placing a wet iPhone in a bag of rice to dry out as, "an old folk remedy."» < 1378312433 869750 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378312448 127031 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's » » to represent moving towards the future, if you're wondering < 1378312452 624337 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an arrow of quoted fact < 1378312460 840813 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimed directly at the heart of the past! < 1378312471 394091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Bike :thank you for giving me somebody to kick. < 1378312483 911069 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378312488 280043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +o :Bike > 1378312488 391315 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378312489 625265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1378312489 635094 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378312491 561727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mischief is over. < 1378312493 614589 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what just happened < 1378312503 671153 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i got kicked wow < 1378312507 500715 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu MODE #esoteric -v :elliott > 1378312507 510799 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378312509 625128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw don't actually do anything unless it's amusing or oerjan will freak < 1378312510 883803 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ab5:99ff:fef3:f256 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1378312511 369674 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll show you < 1378312528 241012 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 NICK :carado < 1378312568 855444 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-187-55.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378312948 537425 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it oerjan is allergic to admin abuse? < 1378312984 901061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when he doesn't do it, hth! < 1378312997 709359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ilu oerjan <3) < 1378313643 552138 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not even in here < 1378313649 869611 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So abuse away! =D < 1378313724 843897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have logs < 1378313790 229458 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan has a habit of reading through the logs when he arrives < 1378313799 948562 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, future oerjan < 1378313828 483855 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure would be unfortunate if something were to... happen to those logs, huh < 1378313836 881707 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like................. < 1378313842 243256 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu MODE #esoteric -v :glogbackup > 1378313842 253365 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378313845 532650 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1378313859 154705 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still on tunes and codu < 1378313873 83555 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with devoicing the server < 1378313885 130095 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude i said !!!!! < 1378313890 48839 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get with the program. this is bikeland now. < 1378313895 113159 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1378313903 994456 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly. < 1378313910 393341 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should edit `welcome then < 1378313943 188482 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh I gotta go < 1378313949 568545 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1378314009 455855 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378314018 976729 :tromp__!~tromp@216.223.243.148 QUIT : < 1378314117 405094 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets mode -v codu.org
< 1378314316 188236 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1378314579 316360 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378314585 253005 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1378314590 636613 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the glorious reign of bike ends. < 1378314610 701571 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with a bang, but with god why does it always take five minutes to connect here. < 1378314616 175448 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous. < 1378314619 453938 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :Bike > 1378314619 478599 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314629 271694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three strikes and yer out < 1378314670 215943 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You timed out 260 seconds after I devoiced the server, with a timeout of 256 seconds < 1378314675 158395 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that very suspicious < 1378314684 787652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from a phở and Bike is op. interesting. < 1378314709 104038 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it's too late now. < 1378314716 976413 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu MODE #esoteric +o :Roujo > 1378314716 998549 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314721 25916 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu MODE #esoteric -o :Bike > 1378314721 48456 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314722 180568 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooo < 1378314727 163561 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must leave the empire to another. < 1378314728 808214 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1378314735 916162 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will honor the empire < 1378314741 995657 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels suddenly, viscerally terrified
< 1378314748 733896 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just want to see oerjan react to this =P) < 1378314767 855490 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo MODE #esoteric +v :boily > 1378314767 878162 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314774 576567 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't feel bad, young boily < 1378314779 80250 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway, how's the pho < 1378314783 974273 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo! back to voice! < 1378314791 781713 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to talk about these things now that i'm merely a commoner < 1378314802 189040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 'twas good. the thai pepper was still fresh and powerful. < 1378314808 656964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo, req. ops < 1378314809 135586 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1378314813 787911 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the last time i had pho really < 1378314818 283605 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: beware of 3.5e cats. they can kill you. < 1378314822 651718 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird because i like noodles in general?? < 1378314823 259887 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: + < 1378314831 558393 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice operator < 1378314832 635183 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo give phantom halfop. < 1378314842 270491 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think freenode supports half-ops < 1378314844 432624 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried once < 1378314845 555766 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are a few places where you can get handmade ramen for cheap. < 1378314845 828441 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :%Phantom_Hoover < 1378314858 486460 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand made ramen? sewn out of raw tree < 1378314859 553465 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"h: is an unknown mode char to me" < 1378314870 62031 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to whom < 1378314874 616045 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server < 1378314881 400513 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server can talk? < 1378314886 127724 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :E replied that when I tried to half-op Phantom_Hoover < 1378314892 363266 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1378314898 64365 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :/quote the server < 1378314900 591573 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll see < 1378314901 12068 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :Roujo > 1378314901 34001 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314903 713880 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1378314904 369917 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :boily > 1378314904 392358 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314905 854530 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :kmc > 1378314905 864397 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314907 564472 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :quintopia > 1378314907 581944 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378314909 525044 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels suddenly, viscerally terrified
< 1378314916 73597 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a coup! < 1378314916 357511 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1378314922 920232 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus ended the Reign of Roujo the Lachinois < 1378314938 8078 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who dares, and how can i properly demonstrate my fealty to them < 1378314963 632875 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's double talk for "suck up to them", right? < 1378314975 675794 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :single talk, really < 1378315008 232681 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1378315263 745080 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ramen < 1378315265 436641 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramen? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378315266 41335 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1378315266 186602 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          º¯`\o < 1378315308 960490 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "拉麵是一種類型的麵�縫製從原始樹木。" >wisdom/ramen < 1378315312 320413 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378315324 145147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I hate myself and need more latexian challenges. < 1378315448 660744 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooo < 1378315514 669183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and one more thing: elliott, you are oppressing me. check your privileges. < 1378315644 41138 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fsck /dev/privilege < 1378315645 532579 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: fsck: command not found < 1378315655 683149 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1378316073 320676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cksum /dev/privilege < 1378316074 820636 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cksum: /dev/privilege: No such file or directory < 1378316082 942198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cksum wisdom/ramen < 1378316084 308229 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1845405672 55 wisdom/ramen < 1378316130 433176 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cksum /dev/random > bin/fsck < 1378316138 6905 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1378316139 874054 :Guest18414!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-afzzmuyidpcamzqq JOIN :#esoteric < 1378316150 218292 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :An echo was supposed to get in there < 1378316158 207270 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp < 1378316171 511428 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, /dev/urandom < 1378316174 927351 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-welp < 1378316185 415681 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/evenmorerandom < 1378316193 325682 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378316196 355752 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1378316202 445870 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/fksk < 1378316204 19292 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/fksk: No such file or directory < 1378316209 479993 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest18414: who are you? why don't you echo? did you check the Random Check? how does the aftertaste of a mouthful of algæ feel? < 1378316210 654496 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/fsck < 1378316212 201573 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378316222 945078 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo cksum /dev/random > bin/fsck < 1378316226 801445 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378316227 590687 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo cksum /dev/urandom > bin/fsck < 1378316229 567724 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1378316231 428787 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378316234 800828 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Guest18414 < 1378316237 578455 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0212Guest18414: 11Welcom12e to th12e in07ternat13ional h06ub for esoteric pro03gram10ming language design07 an07d10 de08ployment! For 04more11 in02form10ation, check out our wi10ki: http:07//e13solangs.org/w04iki09/Main_12Page. (Fo12r t03he o06ther k02ind of e14soter13ica05, try 11#esoteri12c on irc.da04l.net.) < 1378316241 40064 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :than dogs < 1378316251 653972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1378316251 961365 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Small Exceeding" to "Conjoining" < 1378316256 461681 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1378316256 653266 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Parting" to "Articulating" < 1378316260 915995 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice one < 1378316263 624771 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378316265 292061 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop doing it more than once........... < 1378316269 11260 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: small exceeding is more conjoining than dogs. < 1378316277 355588 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't want *his* divination < 1378316278 362683 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really < 1378316279 985210 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want mine < 1378316281 862959 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: do not consume more than your fair share of yiïtude. < 1378316311 648105 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Is one more than a fair share? < 1378316317 695848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it said small exceeding < 1378316324 789567 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: dunno. ask Bike. < 1378316325 359074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a small exceeding of the amount of ~yis is therefore indicated < 1378316331 575019 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fsck elliott < 1378316333 1653 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /hackenv/bin/fsck: Permission denied < 1378316343 869157 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1378316350 319452 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/fsck < 1378316354 175699 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378316354 842845 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fsck elliott < 1378316385 814942 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378316400 44109 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... good? < 1378316468 3871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1378316475 336005 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. < 1378316488 529747 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BotVerse broke < 1378316496 68763 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singularity is imminent < 1378316496 214408 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378316502 426998 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Run) < 1378316503 743148 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378316507 668118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1378316508 285963 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 041709Z 21008KT 15SM -SHRA FEW020 BKN030 OVC090 17/14 A2986 RMK SC2SC3AC3 SLP111 DENSITY ALT 400FT < 1378316530 133057 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew. and here I thought even the weather was borken. < 1378316670 440092 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't mention the raining squirrels < 1378316674 335943 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't like that up there < 1378316740 675687 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the first thing I noticed when I moved to Montréal was the humongous megasquirrels. < 1378316759 446693 :PixelToast!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :dan200 < 1378316790 294326 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378317085 765908 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1378317087 354844 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378317090 527176 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1378317090 697337 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1378317100 40219 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but... < 1378317114 942876 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? but < 1378317116 427347 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :but? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378317116 665904 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          | < 1378317116 863808 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        º¯`\o < 1378317119 615388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1378317120 883218 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ < 1378317177 999920 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so `learn is once again acting weird. < 1378317184 222972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1378317186 223375 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378317192 877631 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1378317226 674608 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? roujo < 1378317228 863236 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo is a Java heretic leaning on ungrammatical Haskell. His claim to Canadianness is marred by an unholy portal to China. The treaties suffer, so the cocktail will be postponed. < 1378317466 652369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is good < 1378317527 810389 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lagging behind... time to upgrade! < 1378317543 513681 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sudo apt-get upgrade boily < 1378317544 729019 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: sudo: command not found < 1378317550 963914 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well crap < 1378317560 534434 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? treaty < 1378317561 778706 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which apt-get < 1378317562 186820 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Treaty on `lists treats how to `list our treats. < 1378317563 477800 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/apt-get < 1378317566 190933 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1378317570 962836 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run apt-get upgrade boily < 1378317572 436282 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :W: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? < 1378317576 463540 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1378317593 634791 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run su - < 1378317595 34399 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378317600 150198 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... yes? < 1378317635 354576 :fsioufosud!~menot@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378317639 706918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome fsioufosud < 1378317642 7512 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​12f14siou11fosud02: Welcome to 03th07e international hub for es10oteric programmi04n02g langu05age desig13n 07and deploymen10t! For more12 i11nformat08ion, c05heck out o11ur w06iki: http://eso04langs.org/wi07ki/Mai10n_Pag13e.06 (For the other05 kind o02f esote04rica, try #esoteric on irc02.11dal05.net05.) < 1378317872 850103 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378317902 30484 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he fell off < 1378318210 296171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this compiler command line is... 16,840 characters long < 1378318258 752562 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit frightening < 1378318276 150457 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just got to the point where you almost need to optimize *that* before compiling < 1378318343 329718 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know something went horribly wrong when you have a novella in a compiler line... < 1378318368 129043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I wonder what the maximum command line length is on this system < 1378318373 654740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compilers support a response file to put the command line when you reach the OS limit < 1378318381 630007 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: .... < 1378318388 906817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because some projects inevitably actually need it < 1378318395 197492 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious < 1378318397 900584 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it look like? < 1378318403 130545 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you get to that point? < 1378318408 81409 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how, really < 1378318423 685245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking anything with a huge number of modules, for example < 1378318424 131014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :add files, add more files, keep adding more files, and eventually you get there < 1378318426 554193 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admitedly, I don't compile stuff using the command line < 1378318438 712472 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't even kno-- oh < 1378318442 161080 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, simple enough < 1378318446 117081 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1378318474 391073 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler -f file.cpp file2.cpp ... filen-1.cpp filen.cpp < 1378318477 256320 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that&? < 1378318490 161943 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With just files) < 1378318498 589055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some projects use absolute paths, recursive symlinks, redundant ../ components in paths, etc to reach the limit faster < 1378318503 630279 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1378318527 398123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a lot of things like -L/home/keegan/proj/servo/servo/build/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/src/support/png/rust-png/src/.libs -Wl,-rpath,/home/keegan/proj/servo/servo/build/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/src/support/png/rust-png < 1378318538 221480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each of like two dozen libraries < 1378318543 281703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of them are just repeated I think < 1378318591 674331 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1378318604 950189 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good stuff =P < 1378318658 746859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1378318785 521419 :fsioufosud!~menot@101.255.24.142 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378318805 356553 :xxx!~menot@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378318809 831947 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378318896 94473 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome xxx < 1378318899 198914 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08xxx: Welcome t02o the10 interna09tional 04h05ub12 f14or esoteric 07programming lan06guage desig12n an10d d06ep14loy07ment! For 13mor05e 06informatio03n, check 07out09 our wiki: 02http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For t06he othe08r kind of esoteric07a,14 11t14ry #esoteric 11o10n irc.dal.06ne03t14.) < 1378319209 188429 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378319420 60347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: a Bike falling off a Bike. I'm ashamed it took me that long to understand it. < 1378319469 204887 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378319496 311417 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i help you < 1378319504 943853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help us? < 1378319587 276831 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:04:32] Bike [~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378319587 422349 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:05:01] I guess he fell off < 1378319593 688258 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all, really < 1378319598 76120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring imo < 1378319615 422221 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be < 1378319621 455654 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't claim otherwise < 1378319636 630116 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a spur-of-the-moment thing < 1378319646 48655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehlp with what? < 1378319649 672332 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing too serious < 1378319714 536517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think this channel supports extended help. you're stuck with regular help here. hth. < 1378319745 177524 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :man #esoteric < 1378319752 615049 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run man #esoteric < 1378319754 64749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1378319910 573991 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1378319999 404526 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome tromp < 1378320001 982419 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07tr09omp:06 W02elcome13 to th04e intern07ationa11l hub for e03soteric08 prog10ramming language design and de11ployment! For04 more in05formation, check o02ut o06u13r wiki: ht02tp://esolangs08.org/wiki/M03ain_Page. (For14 the06 other kind of e03s12oterica,11 05try #09eso10teri06c on i14rc.07da07l.ne03t.) < 1378320036 965798 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/random > /dev/boily < 1378320038 70197 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /dev/boily: Read-only file system < 1378320042 439732 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1378320072 53312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I formatted your quotes in the wisdom pdf. < 1378320086 524881 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, what < 1378320123 523081 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Why are you read-only. Why can't you change. < 1378320135 542119 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave you the chance to change. I was there for you. < 1378320144 508512 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only asked little things every now and then < 1378320147 767341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I just need to format that }-ful part, but otherwise I think everything else is fine. < 1378320148 839398 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to be happy, for once < 1378320161 197627 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this in the topic < 1378320164 176032 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: it's a temporary maintenance measure. < 1378320166 445418 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is. < 1378320170 470210 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently, I'm not even enough for you to do that < 1378320179 192455 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who will be enough, boily? < 1378320184 203306 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who will you change for? < 1378320189 973637 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inb4 root) < 1378320201 111410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: uhm... my SO, I guess? < 1378320238 177902 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: tu peux toujours aussi faire un tour à soir à La Récréation (coin St-Denis / Ontario). y'a une soirée jeux organisée pour le festival OUMF. < 1378320245 929607 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh =P < 1378320262 365177 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :J'aime bien les envolées pseudo-lyriques < 1378320262 643022 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "The People Wisom"? < 1378320311 979864 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes? should I have titled the chapter “The Moving Thingies Wisdom�? < 1378320332 665728 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not "Wisdom" < 1378320339 812378 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: J'ai un peu un souper avec ma SO, en fait =P < 1378320347 828151 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh. right. stupid typo. < 1378320357 837225 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :'faut dégeler le poulet et tout < 1378320369 310661 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais's quotes at least aren't all newlined, oh no < 1378320380 261510 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: dans ce cas là, m'a te souhaiter un bon dégelage bien romantique et tout et tout :D < 1378320395 443146 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I know, it was only a first attempt. I'm handreformatting everything. < 1378320400 992885 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1378320420 861303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. only a kiloquote all in all. nothing too long. < 1378320433 472548 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Le poulet, c'est pour demain. Ce soir, c'est du saumon qui a mariné toute la journée. =3 < 1378320445 396556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: oooooooooooh! yummy! < 1378320612 292521 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1378320693 600021 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quicksilver < 1378320695 480463 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicksilver? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378320695 752326 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  | < 1378320695 947350 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                º¯`\o < 1378320712 995969 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... obscure people are archæologically referenced in antique quotes. < 1378320772 52909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of Z-Comp? < 1378320774 853164 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like itidus? < 1378320810 344212 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was there when itidus was. I'm talking even more earlier in the Early Times. < 1378320830 7859 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's earlier than me so it probably didn't actually happen < 1378320835 160660 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully this makes things easier for you. < 1378320854 809487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to things not existing. you know, Canada and all that sort of thing. < 1378320866 797785 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck z-comp < 1378320867 60675 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1378320906 414610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to enter Z-Comp then you have to enter by Saturday, 28 Sep 2013, 07:14:36 PM EDT. Do so if you are interested to make a computer game for Z-machine. There is two ways to enter, either make account in ifMUD and fill the form, or just write a message to me about your entry and I will put it in for you. < 1378320976 223728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you interest to write computer games following the limitation of Z-machine? < 1378321009 635385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current theme (which is optional, and can be conjunctive or disjunctive at your choice) is: Richardson fire // 2009-10 Leicester City F.C. season // Merciful to gibbering mouthers and the other monsters < 1378321034 321763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two are random Wikipedia article titles. The third is from a file I wrote myself (it is secret). < 1378321103 717576 :ff34!~menot@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378321124 211878 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ff34 < 1378321127 330477 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​12ff0734: W07elcome to12 the intern05atio14na10l10 hub for 04eso03t10eric p13r09ogr13a13mm11ing lan06guage design and deplo06yment! Fo10r 07more information, check03 out 08our wiki:10 h09ttp://13esolangs.org/wiki/Ma03in_Page03. (For t13he other kind of07 esoterica, try #esote14ric o13n07 irc.dal.net.)13 < 1378321144 350199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a color computer? < 1378321157 36769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I already visited your muddy apartment. the z-compo sounds very interesting, but I fear my free time is quite limited :( < 1378321176 559279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer is a thinkpad. I fear it has no colour. < 1378321194 613729 :xxx!~menot@101.255.24.142 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378321214 629665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ah. Well, it is recurring (with different themes each time, although the themes from my list will be eventually repeated if they weren't used yet in a submitted game) < 1378321318 791926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know when you do have time? < 1378321320 185660 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1378321362 940236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Did you see all of the rooms in my ifMUD apartment yet though? < 1378321426 580119 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the time gets grasped, it will be had. a carp a day, and a pickled salmon. < 1378321444 187435 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exploring MUDs is even more time consuming than seeing everything in Riven. < 1378321478 872136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't help about the time. Do you know approximately the time in terms of calendar, perhaps? < 1378321596 479983 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :December at the earliest. < 1378321614 800083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this theme or do you like a different theme? < 1378321702 733133 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fire, the mouthers, but my general knowledge of Leicester is quite limited. < 1378321743 776595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is OK; you needn't use all of them (or any of them); combine them for a challenge or just use a single one if you prefer < 1378321783 704127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firebreathing mouthers from outer space... RECYCLED IN SPACE!!! < 1378321829 398406 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat boily | echo > boily < 1378321990 846763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to make this theme file public anyways http://zzo38computer.org/zmachine/zcomptheme.txt < 1378322011 591412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? GreyKnight < 1378322013 756961 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378322014 128375 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 | < 1378322014 308188 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               º¯`\o < 1378322026 111183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another defunct artefact from olden times. < 1378322077 555497 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/GreyKnight < 1378322089 690936 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :One comment, two years ago < 1378322155 647487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't find me on reddit :P < 1378322185 256455 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1378322186 213308 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :___ < 1378322187 143781 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1378322213 945036 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :___? < 1378322214 871424 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo pour la rébellion < 1378322224 258359 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'est toujours bien, se rebeller dans /r/___ < 1378322228 322060 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! :D < 1378322240 394148 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378322250 653333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't greyknight the one from ireland < 1378322277 8495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Do you like any of these themes? < 1378322328 268871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I... think you asked me that one already. tdh, twh, hth, and a good dose of déjà vu. < 1378322356 499957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write the same question but the context is different now so it is a different kind of question really < 1378322385 3253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. contextually, yes. /r/___ is quite original, and I've yet to meet somebody from Ireland. < 1378322415 526935 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey I'm gel-ing your aloofness. < 1378322415 672218 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378322417 849089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the file I just made public < 1378322453 889760 :ff34!~menot@101.255.24.142 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378322496 121311 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh. that link went straight through my blind spot. lemme check that... < 1378322497 552729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378322534 402342 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 “Automynorcagrammatical� what the fungot... I like that one. < 1378322534 547655 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378322534 547827 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there it is, in case he doesn't want you to the ancients, right. some numbers, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance, < 1378323822 260518 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1378323874 983129 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how's jsvine's II going? < 1378324109 772628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but maybe fungot < 1378324109 954086 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: more simply put: siod sucks as a general purpose ( similar, and i'd like to see that mystical forest powers, but this time on the impact of the introduction to theoretical computer, fnord of the fnord here, just above me, asked me to do that in the " better" language < 1378324115 764462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: are you still idling? kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty... < 1378324161 988680 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell jsvine siod, mystical forest powers, introduction impacts and some fnords. < 1378324162 133883 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1378324232 931245 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for the Daily LaTeX Question: anyone ever did big O notation? < 1378324234 409486 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some what? < 1378324244 994419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnords < 1378324249 218648 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: a fnord. basic unit of “you didn't see that�. < 1378324250 165100 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it never came up < 1378324255 583842 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :A what? < 1378324259 984475 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1378324281 844271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fnord is the quintessential invisible word. if you see it, then you don't. < 1378324322 879608 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I use "the" all the time < 1378324327 385318 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still see it < 1378324408 745434 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1378324435 82279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lobs a whole pineapple over at Roujo's head.
< 1378324446 21537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: you fiend. < 1378324450 795095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fnord is one of the first visible signs of invisibility < 1378324499 894961 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: <3 < 1378324575 360549 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat115.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378325203 888989 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@sabis.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378325487 374375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the plural of hiatus hiati? < 1378325519 530529 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiatusesii < 1378325576 704571 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378325590 735834 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, if you're being pedantic it's "hiatus" < 1378325608 406355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the same as the singular < 1378325632 722260 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Latin is a weird language and English ate a lot of its weirdness < 1378325646 211726 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hiatuses" is acceptable in English < 1378325682 824828 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hiatu, two hiatus, three hiatuses. < 1378325758 407855 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then four hiatusesu, five hiatusesus, six hiatuseses? < 1378325853 220850 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you are getting the hang of this < 1378325881 431089 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we just wait until suffixirth < 1378325916 360483 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378325996 633989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? irthative < 1378325998 369362 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :irthative? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378325998 656401 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                | < 1378325998 852212 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              º¯`\o < 1378326005 546384 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hiatuses" is "your best bet" here < 1378326052 543296 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, unless you're against a pedant < 1378326056 129621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "breaks" < 1378326064 57359 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, if anyone tells you "hiati", they are wrong < 1378326077 821232 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nah you just ignore dumb people hth < 1378326091 570805 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pedant < 1378326093 133328 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :187) ... come to think of it, < 1378326119 720267 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of examples where "englishifying" a latin word, grammatically, sounds really bad... < 1378326121 141918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1378326155 590217 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo "matrixes" is weird? < 1378326186 365354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrii? < 1378326197 296461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrices is the usual plural, no? < 1378326199 835755 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1378326217 22641 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix means uterus in latin? ok then < 1378326230 320324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in spanish (or something like it) < 1378326230 545771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay only spam in my inbox today < 1378326231 696247 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "indices", "vertices". whereas "indexes" and "vertixes" are kinda dumb-looking < 1378326240 368892 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, vertexes < 1378326249 968485 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary says the latin plural of "m�trīx" is "m�trīcēs" < 1378326251 89725 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, um. < 1378326255 103711 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the plural of asterix? < 1378326256 777290 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick a different example? < 1378326260 393802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :asterices? < 1378326268 571256 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ateripodes < 1378326274 912761 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :asteripodes, rather < 1378326287 929634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably asteripoda < 1378326307 253397 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't see the issue < 1378326320 322250 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking about "-us" -> "-i" in specific, if that's what you mean < 1378326323 272145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(makes it so quick to read, you know) < 1378326330 90843 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you're not "englishifying" anything, the latin was originally "matrixes" < 1378326346 60872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um _no_. < 1378326347 201460 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not, it's martices < 1378326349 428998 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*matrices < 1378326369 380942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x -> -ces is pretty regular 3rd declension. < 1378326383 160137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can also get -ges, though.) < 1378326398 48993 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i misread. < 1378326401 828838 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, fuck, nevermind. bye < 1378326407 728492 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :byeke < 1378326408 706903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cu < 1378326424 971826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's a *de*clension, is -ces -> -x a clension? < 1378326433 593162 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [Bb]yeke < 1378326445 632977 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me i can't be original here < 1378326454 732721 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I think it's an aclension < 1378326473 236967 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedeclension < 1378326473 737329 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3855 < 1378326489 537962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i decline to answer that. < 1378326489 981488 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i am. amazing < 1378326500 467075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :code clension < 1378326556 955954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fgrep '[a-z]' bin/* < 1378326559 657805 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378326570 653564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fgrep '[A-Z]' bin/* < 1378326572 467368 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378326586 620924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1378326594 204978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fgrep grep bin/* < 1378326595 737544 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/anonlog: grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1| sed "s=<[^>]*> ==" \ bin/anonlog: echo "$file:$(grep "<.*>" $file | shuf -n 1)" | sed "s=<[^>]*> ==" \ bin/define: grep -A 3 'Definitions of' | \ bin/etymology: grep -A 100 ']'"$1" | \ bin/google: grep -A 4 'Search Results' | \ bin/js:isOpenJDK=`$JAVA_CMD -version 2>&1 | gre < 1378326621 725314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever. < 1378326631 859296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems declension does mean something about bending, which is the swedish word for it < 1378326675 328518 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1378326677 103607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was briefly wondering whether the grep localization madness from yesterday affected any HackEgo commands.
< 1378326705 761150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed grep localization madness? awwww < 1378326713 643208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: basically: < 1378326724 820265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo TEST | grep '[a-z]' < 1378326726 421697 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST < 1378326766 280614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1378326770 436977 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1378326811 720860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, grep [.-.] uses the local collation order to determine which letters are in between - so when that collation order is case insensitive, things get included unexpectedly. < 1378326829 598619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ZZZ | grep '[a-z]' < 1378326831 400796 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378326837 344963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1378326839 187469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now guess why this _doesn't_ print :P < 1378326896 121809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo YYY | grep '[a-z]' < 1378326897 760792 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYY < 1378326916 604887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw you can still use [:upper:] and [:lower:] slightly more portably.) < 1378326921 23461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because z < Z? < 1378326924 396603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1378326966 186634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :brr, grep shouldn't use locales < 1378326968 686478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use grep in scripts and don't want it to be weird < 1378326974 145073 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ZZZ | grep -Finr '[a-z]' < 1378326975 769865 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378326983 952960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ZZZ | grep -Einr '[a-z]' < 1378326985 718628 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:ZZZ < 1378326997 382273 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ééé | grep -Einr '[a-z]' < 1378326999 177343 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:ééé < 1378327004 698743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1378327022 621792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: just unset all the environment variables, _so_ simple. < 1378327040 745921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run locale < 1378327042 168626 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ < 1378327072 898609 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo øøø | grep -Ei '[a-z]' < 1378327074 387415 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​øøø < 1378327077 418129 :dan200!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1378327086 212090 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ��� | grep -Ei '[a-z]' < 1378327087 692745 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��� < 1378327110 314559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :using -i doesn't exactly demonstrate the weirdness < 1378327123 402969 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ��� | grep -E '[a-z]' < 1378327124 984915 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��� < 1378327131 821298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ��� | grep '[a-z]' < 1378327133 401189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��� < 1378327148 638749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ��� | grep '[a-z]' < 1378327150 125404 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378327152 200342 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1378327238 303897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh actually LC_ALL takes precedence over the rest, so just set that. < 1378327251 516799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ��� < 1378327253 12701 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :7821 7821 7821 < 1378327283 287272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't mind if weird localized people get broken results, they should just learn english and set their locale to C < 1378327297 672573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: bleh. < 1378327304 680169 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a norwegian bleh, mind you.) < 1378327311 888823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you weird and localized? < 1378327338 398071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: définitivement. < 1378327346 314205 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378327356 75371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: förträffligt < 1378327404 349027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approximants. they disagree with my tongue. < 1378327423 710223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what approximants < 1378327504 279826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wbike < 1378327513 540952 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjan < 1378327540 420888 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. approximants in Danish, weird vowels in Swedish, and I'm confused by the nynorsk/bokmål dichotomy. < 1378327555 584901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the grep man page, it actually describes this [a-z] weirdness quite explicitly. < 1378327607 392760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynorsk has slightly more interesting vowels. < 1378327698 504977 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think förträffligt starts with [fœ̞ˈʈ] < 1378327714 218748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, en:the arabs = bm:araberne = nn:arabarane < 1378327797 597891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := dk:araberne = sv:arabarna , MAYBE < 1378327810 334636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:araberna < 1378327820 397308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1378327830 742789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :su:? < 1378327897 413282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while we're at it, do we have a local Iceland representant? < 1378327923 7731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of. < 1378327943 730177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know what the Sundanese word is < 1378327964 925679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1378327969 800515 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sundanese? < 1378327987 185209 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck sundance < 1378327987 566185 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sundance Resort is a ski resort located 13 miles northeast of Provo, Utah on Mount Timpanogos in Utah's Wasatch Range. < 1378327997 565599 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ↑ < 1378328004 81045 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1378328009 4664 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do know that sundanese is one of those languages that calls itself bahasa/basa something < 1378328017 418319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also re approximants: rødgrød med fløde < 1378328045 345785 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the canonical approximant shibboleth. < 1378328049 524307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1378328106 221654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also swedish has the sje-sound. < 1378328118 620331 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the curvy-taily h. < 1378328176 58013 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have [œ̃], which even metropolitan French has lost. < 1378328184 174331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many norwegian dialects, including mine, have the "thick" l (it's also in some swedish.) < 1378328197 981937 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thick l, as in Klingon? < 1378328211 69457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both norwegian and swedish are full of retroflexes. < 1378328234 998161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i am not familiar with the klingon pronunciation. < 1378328242 665422 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote klingon < 1378328244 209172 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :923) as long as you're in company where no-one knows both, you can always say either "that's just like welsh ll" or "that's just like klingon tlh" < 1378328273 52393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think norwegian thick l is close to either of them. < 1378328281 555925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the thick l? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroflex_lateral_approximant < 1378328289 361674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a retroflex lateral flap, or something like that. < 1378328397 809529 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does «lll... llllll... *choke* ghlllll...»
< 1378328404 258586 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1378328421 319605 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroflex_flap apparently it is < 1378328440 308152 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very un-/ɭ/-like... < 1378328463 949876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_phonology#Consonants lists both your and the flap and says they're allophones. < 1378328471 680130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yours < 1378328479 584976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1378328481 672153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider the retroflex flap the thick one < 1378328491 325967 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I linked is just an l I think < 1378328539 753637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one you linked is the one you'd expect from -rl- sandhi in a dialect which has retroflexes but _not_ the genuine flap. < 1378328601 564230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yeah, it should be according to the text, but the sample didn't sound very 'rl'y < 1378328601 746188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i think i use it instead of the flap in some positions, like "forlag". < 1378328614 718971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems Québec French and Japanese are the only (at least semi-major) languages which have unvoiced vowels. < 1378328717 773787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are conal. < 1378328768 465957 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are also completely insane. < 1378328792 751893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :editting those quotes by hand reveals a *lot* of information on y'all. < 1378328822 632088 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is revealed about i, bike < 1378328867 196049 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeh... I recall reformatting your quotes earlier today. vaguely. < 1378328892 263329 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are Bike, I guess. also, I nobody should touch your eyes again. last time was scary. < 1378328903 19397 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, I n/, n/ < 1378328915 818001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: your complete disregard of english grammar < 1378328918 794222 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dan < 1378328919 974216 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1378328939 525332 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it revealed that i should do my vhdl assignment < 1378328954 927073 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: disregard vhdl, acquire insanity. < 1378328991 625238 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was already reading about auditory hallucinations earlier!! < 1378329001 816567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said that < 1378329044 991160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hallucinations < 1378329046 626767 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378329050 38391 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote auditory < 1378329051 508582 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378329061 645098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hearing things < 1378329063 228843 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378329077 249762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems we have nothing on this topic < 1378329093 314156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you hallucinated it? < 1378329102 530488 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not... i wasn't reading them /here/ < 1378329140 699728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it was hallucinated you didn't really read at all, anywhere < 1378329307 907957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "You are just imagining this wisdom entry." >wisdom/hallucination < 1378329311 874024 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1378329371 247748 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said auditory < 1378329375 365872 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh. < 1378329384 807489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the wisdom *is* auditory. < 1378329400 340297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when boily gets finished with it, anyway. < 1378329533 278857 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just went through elliott's quotes. the pdf is updated. that was one hardcore reformatting session. < 1378329540 554418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :auditory wisdom will have fun with `? szoup < 1378329552 715013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :igen. < 1378329557 589664 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION szmackzs olsner with a wooden laddle.
< 1378329571 662231 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck igen < 1378329571 961547 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1378329599 891417 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: igen! igen? jag missade första gången isåfall < 1378329620 357243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt swedish-hungarian puns < 1378329630 702153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1378329649 125303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: t'as pas un jeu de mots poche avec du hongrois à travers qui traine dans le coin, par hasard? < 1378329694 75930 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about words for traversing a train of coins? < 1378329710 16584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i recommend using something with "harmadik" < 1378329719 403609 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck harmadik < 1378329719 792796 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1378329745 524008 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I missed the hungarian part of that pun < 1378329833 263457 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: «jeu de mots»: pun. «poche»: sl. of bad quality. «à travers»: sl. through, mixed in. «traine»: to be left about. «coin»: corner, random place, spot. < 1378329843 364358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: igen, hogy ezt tetted. < 1378329851 815063 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hogy < 1378329853 583052 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :33) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1378329876 901488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the szoup quote was harder to find than I expected because it fails to even mention the hungarian word for soup < 1378329903 527270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ...because that is the one word i replaced XD... < 1378329965 481152 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 NICK :Ngevd < 1378329992 233637 :Ngevd!~nathan@92.30.187.55 NICK :Taneb < 1378330041 898003 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: La banane est un fruit nocturne. < 1378330044 654663 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378330076 876794 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banana < 1378330078 703164 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1378330079 24154 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             | < 1378330079 169408 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           o/`¯º < 1378330161 434420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you de-voiced me < 1378330179 59801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems hungarian now only wants two hogy in that sentence < 1378330220 777219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am uncertain about the hogy in my answer above, too. < 1378330257 161737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the joke, back then, was that hogy is a grammatical word with several different meanings. < 1378330279 784830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, part of it, anyway. < 1378330287 623206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hogy hogy hogy hogy" gives me "how to make" < 1378330295 290242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any more than that is just "that that that that that..." < 1378330318 368348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got "how to make it" < 1378330329 591702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistical translation is pretty funny... Google used to translate Latin "quid pro quo" as "What happens in Vegas" < 1378330359 44808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, the capitalization was different < 1378330379 80476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: heh that almost makes some kind of sense < 1378330528 865739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A harmadik ember is apparently the correct translation of a certain film title. < 1378330582 976469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9EHarmadik_ember%E2%80%9D-%C3%A9rv < 1378330609 91591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/WWII.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/WWI-re.png < 1378330627 230906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird how one-sided the world wars both look < 1378330636 197557 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1378330643 715875 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the powers < 1378330658 750640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1378330677 670981 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is burma labeled as axis but not france? < 1378330732 362079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oversight, i guess < 1378330748 225953 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with ethiopia, etc etc. < 1378330863 947929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's thailand, not burma. < 1378330886 190266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ethiopia was invaded by italy. < 1378330893 161171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as was libya. < 1378330894 248193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the blue dots are countries that got invaded and occupied by the Axis during the war? < 1378330897 263285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks less one-sided then < 1378330907 271935 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it, do i seriously not still have southeast asia straight ;_; < 1378330911 295564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there much action in South America, or the southern half of Africa? < 1378330924 487304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, that's burma < 1378330931 415030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madagascar got invaded by the British < 1378330931 827221 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oerjan's right < 1378330935 267730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is < 1378330943 694965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both look the same except mirrored! < 1378330945 597322 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :burma just has a dot < 1378330950 78753 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-134-3-130-100.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1378330950 275807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1378330958 411835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_LZ_104#Africa_flight < 1378330962 975863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WW I naturally) < 1378330981 125949 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this thing counts manchuria as axis too, so i don't get the difference between "axis" and "occupied" < 1378330995 79418 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could say ethiopia and manchuria were invaded before the war, but that's kinda arbitrary < 1378331003 609872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manchuria was — right < 1378331021 403843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not particularly, where else do you draw the line < 1378331042 529121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's more about where you draw the line of when the war started, no? < 1378331048 22947 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that's what i meant < 1378331056 436880 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people count the sino-japanese war as part of wwii, and so on < 1378331088 241943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can claim you were confused by bangladesh not being a separate country < 1378331109 314350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never actually realised burma and bangladesh shared a border < 1378331124 726589 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i really should have this straight by now, it's pathetic. < 1378331131 837826 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: burma is very mean to bangladeshi migrants. < 1378331160 296096 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also people who are de facto burmese but they say are bangladeshi sooooo < 1378331208 630797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, _someone_ has to do the job of breaking the illusion that buddhists are more peaceful than muslims. < 1378331212 689019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bangladesh is bad enough that people want to leave for burma doesn't really surprise me, but it's still a grim juxtaposition < 1378331234 212957 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By 1941 it became illegal, among other things, to ridicule those who attempted to promote national customs" sounds enforceable < 1378331261 172411 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1378331275 124206 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's... one way to think about it :V < 1378331338 927592 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bangladesh turns back refugees from arakan too. it's kind of shitty all around! < 1378331379 443801 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe my problem is that arakan looks kind of like thailand < 1378331379 924997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't surprise me either (even before i found my way to the wp page on the rohingya) < 1378331438 136707 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that little spiny outpost in the lower right, i mean, except thailand's is more curvy < 1378331451 855773 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess burma looks like that too. < 1378331454 115535 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. pathetic < 1378331968 224807 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1378332294 386064 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378332561 280444 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378332621 957490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test *test* test < 1378332623 292073 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test testing test < 1378332627 322053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: ^ < 1378332651 826660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: it only worked the first time because you hadn't made the testing file yet < 1378332733 187385 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378332778 622603 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378332793 187457 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378332847 54158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello, future oerjan <-- hi < 1378332884 16037 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! < 1378332889 161125 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how was the future? < 1378332893 871523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1378332894 869494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1378332899 889644 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1378332905 754967 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can call it the past now then < 1378332907 976972 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel let down. < 1378332930 916170 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so i take it you've been lobbied against then < 1378332935 930454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i haven't got to your real abuse yet, will probably punish you afterwards < 1378332949 16306 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1378332963 400443 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1378332986 905268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i haven't got to it yet < 1378332987 747831 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the empire of bike happened < 1378332991 449393 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ws glorious < 1378333064 909899 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so you're still the future oerjan < 1378333074 982230 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the past yet < 1378333142 909560 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378333164 211043 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378333395 685068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: looks like it was cut short < 1378333421 420703 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, elliott gave me op back for some reason. < 1378333426 132779 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the empire's spirit was dead by then. < 1378333443 174962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghost of empires past < 1378333451 166565 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION weeps for his power
< 1378333469 954382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok now i'm imagining a christmas carol with scrooge replaced by hitler. < 1378333492 158682 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok then... < 1378333551 568989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE OriginalOldMan | rainbow < 1378333554 522331 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Or10IgInAlOlDmAn: We02LcOmE 02To tHe 14iNt04ErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC Pr14OgRaMmInG 10LaNgUaGe dEs06IgN 11AnD DePlOy02MeNt! FoR03 14MoRe11 10iNfOr13MaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp07:11//eSoLa13NgS.Or06G/WiKi/mAi07N_PaGe. (fOr07 tH04e oThEr kInD Of e02SoT13eR09iCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC O14n 10iRc.dAl.nE11t.03) < 1378333581 643660 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1378333602 636228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a particularly light choice of colors today < 1378333629 416573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome OriginalOldMan | rainbow < 1378333632 485265 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1113OriginalOl14dMa06n05: Welcome to the inte12rnational hub for12 esote14ric prog05ramming language design10 and depl07oyment! For m13ore infor08ma08ti02on, 10check ou04t our wi08ki: http:11/09/e07solangs.or06g/w09iki/Main_Page.13 (For08 the other11 k10in08d06 of 10esote14rica, t03ry 05#esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1378333641 531594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1378333648 286824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/relcome < 1378333649 667635 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | rainbow < 1378333650 548064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was hoping for something more disastrous < 1378333694 711394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rainbow is designed to potentially fill up the line with color chars, so repeating it should have little effect < 1378333713 192654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1378333746 588431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits
< 1378333747 262844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Testing | rainbow | rainbow #This might work < 1378333749 429206 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0504102213014808T121207e0210011502s0913111407t03i061412n07030802g1411110008 < 1378333752 550176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1378333762 940656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the kind of thing I was hoping to see. < 1378333780 66051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Testing" is too short for rainbow to fill up the line with colors < 1378333797 151043 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ? Bike | rainbow | rainbow < 1378333800 41588 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​090408100076B041101i03004606k020409e131107 006803i14s005409 0902f111090r0122o090128m091063 05009602L03u104213x10e03051109m10140072b03009411o050708u0909r14g0611105112.0304 < 1378333806 506008 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1378333813 714631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't do redundant color changes in sequence < 1378333823 431289 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ? Bike | rainbow | rainbow | rainbow | rainbow | rainbow < 1378333826 697707 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​080503080510202000950057B120209i1407k1006001489e1205000698 i041411405110s06 10004026061003f0502021414r1013o05006028m1409 1112081033L0611040713u10740069xe03040308050406m11b02071111o080200103410u1308121207r0512g120906012084080308.10240600230 < 1378333827 877175 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Bike > 1378333827 910076 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378333828 384029 :nooodl!~nooodl@38.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1378333829 425327 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a power operation in bash < 1378333835 125207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1378333841 358532 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god is here < 1378333845 499236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $((2**10)) < 1378333846 746524 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 < 1378333854 344879 :Taneb!~nathan@92.30.187.55 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1378333855 203835 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean composition power. < 1378333862 539036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it won't get longer once it has filled up the line length (350 bytes) with color codes + original text < 1378333869 253704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can't go voicing people like that < 1378333872 494489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1378333875 221769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scares the children < 1378333882 226148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have children here?!?!? fuck < 1378333899 783592 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott a children? < 1378333906 555816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore, by law < 1378333917 961534 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody flirt with elliott at once < 1378333930 501306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1378333941 752626 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Me love you long time. < 1378333949 874533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great flirting, 9.5 / 10 < 1378333978 927976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may not be the best judge of such things) < 1378333981 470906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're a piece of shit and i hate you < 1378333985 770315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, rate me on my negging < 1378333991 724473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't think so, it doesn't seem particularly useful < 1378334003 870055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: I think you're supposed to be more subtle than that < 1378334006 75821 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's useful for rerererererainbowing! < 1378334025 817331 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure PUAs understand the concept of "subtlety" < 1378334032 495094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the concept of uh. anything < 1378334040 258451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like “Me, I like a girl with a couple extra pounds on her� ? < 1378334040 848601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUA? < 1378334047 795308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with that PH < 1378334057 149610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not talk about PUA though < 1378334059 703171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just depressing < 1378334062 477716 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good plan < 1378334067 687156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was relying on elliott to get the reference < 1378334069 950142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has failed me < 1378334070 95462 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my voice, i make it law < 1378334070 948641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I agree with kmc < 1378334076 935076 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -v :Bike > 1378334076 947761 NAMES :#esoteric < 1378334080 196277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Proto-Uto-Aztecan language < 1378334084 307194 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh wow!! < 1378334104 134289 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose if I'm going to flirt with elliott I should determine how androphilic he is. < 1378334117 975631 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you like the cock? < 1378334137 822981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i happen to know elliott likes coq < 1378334252 896114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's what it means. < 1378334279 153518 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it means cock < 1378334292 599754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Bike < 1378334294 180839 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Bike. Thike. < 1378334368 428426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have a hunch elliott doesn't like this subject, so let's talk about prepromorphisms or something. < 1378334384 833634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you tried possing instead < 1378334388 912232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a note to use the word "androphile" more often
< 1378334389 57426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's p. good < 1378334399 283178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm hungry -> < 1378334427 598480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke was that it was an excerpt from a lyttle lytton entry, hth) < 1378334450 276144 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stuffs Phantom_Hoover into a locker
< 1378334478 677315 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1378334536 612227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend was trying to think of single straight guys he knows in New York but I think by "straight" he meant "interested in women" and by "single" he meant "available" < 1378334553 279176 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1378334584 290826 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So, *not* excluding bi guys then. < 1378334589 394330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1378334710 306466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that tshirt "I'm not gay but my boyfriend is" < 1378334749 307140 :copumpkin!~textual@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1378334772 929292 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how five years ago I hadn't heard of any one being bi but today nearly a third of my friends say they are < 1378334779 345090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1378334794 414705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :different friends or the same ones as five years ago? < 1378334804 715006 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :entranced by your organs no doubt < 1378334819 450680 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh baby, gimme some more of that liver. < 1378334825 71899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1378334833 530568 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting I might have accessed a different social circle recently? < 1378334858 783343 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: shower your lymph all over me < 1378334887 41292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: social circles do tend to shift over time, yeah < 1378334905 363034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if the trend is people you already knew telling you they're bi, or you meeting new people, or both < 1378334923 453591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you truly the same person you were five years ago < 1378334927 237470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that's the real question < 1378334950 220710 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc I think the trend is that more people are bi today than five years ago < 1378334971 917934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of my friends have at least /some/ interest in both directions... whether or not to self-identify as bi based on that is pretty personal and arbitrary < 1378334980 941032 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe my friends are (in average) older than my friends were (in average) five years ago, and thus have more sexual experience < 1378334985 30348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo self-identification considered harmful < 1378334985 231187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1378335010 65288 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I had never thought that age might just be it < 1378335035 882564 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a feeling it was somewhat more fashionable to be bi today than it was before < 1378335048 221717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a loaded way to put it < 1378335059 676164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe, yeah < 1378335077 101080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way to put it would be that there's less pressure to hide it now < 1378335092 474731 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not exactly saying the same thing < 1378335122 862899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1378335128 180667 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once heard someone say that there was effectively less pressure, and that saying it had anything to do with being fashionable was highly homophobic < 1378335146 141323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I still get the feeling that there's just as much negativity as there used to be... < 1378335158 910681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really depends on the context < 1378335161 657158 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's also more resistance Fiora < 1378335162 108962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who you interact with < 1378335174 628158 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bisexual people still "get all the fun", are "sex fiends", are "just trying to look good for the guys", or just plain don't exist < 1378335202 540156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's that tshirt "I'm not gay but my boyfriend is" < 1378335229 31033 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look good for the guys" ohhh my < 1378335234 164027 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say "just trying to look good for the guys" are you talking about bi people in general or about "lesbians pretending to be somewhat available to guys"? < 1378335235 654221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first response to this was 'ah i get it, the wearer is female' then i realised why that was stuped < 1378335238 311117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stupid < 1378335246 787802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I'm not sure it's inherently homophobic to say there's an element of fashion to it, but as soon as you start telling people that their self-identification X is wrong and they're just doing it for reason Y, that's pretty dangerous ground < 1378335256 236327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: the stereotype that bisexual women are actually straight girls trying to look "hot" < 1378335258 271188 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: about bi women being described as being straight women pretending to be bi because men think it's hot < 1378335265 341395 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh okay < 1378335265 486489 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Probably more hetero women pretending to be somewhat available to girls, because "lesbians are hawt" < 1378335274 982651 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes right < 1378335278 327059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some of them are, though < 1378335283 645441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more about applying that stereotype to all bisexual people < 1378335294 482399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you don't have to be that sexually attracted to someone to have fun making out with them < 1378335295 136234 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still very common and generally results in bi women getting flak from both straight /and/ gay women < 1378335297 957 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well I just observed that all girl friends I had who said they were bi happened to have a boyfriend < 1378335330 673082 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess statistically for bi girls there are more boyfriends available than girlfriends < 1378335338 47575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, like, fraudulant to make out with someone you don't want to fuck < 1378335353 370762 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz turn in makeout license < 1378335360 843377 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, the dating pool for bi people is weighted as heck. < 1378335361 440947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: sexual interest is different from relationship interest, too < 1378335370 174993 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1378335380 850036 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting they might be cheating on their boyfriend? < 1378335381 808131 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: also, if they have a girlfriend but say they're bi, they will probably attract quite a bit more unwanted interest < 1378335410 416396 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because men take "I am bi and have a girlfriend" as code for "I want a man" < 1378335435 190140 :^v!Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1378335437 839144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it's not cheating if he's OK with it < 1378335455 350563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: but it's also fine to identify as sexually interested in women, without currently having your hand in someone's vagina < 1378335473 419159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also okay to call yourself bisexual even if you've /never had sex/ < 1378335475 369964 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually I have always wondered how it was possible that so many gay friends of mine had boyfriends - I mean my gay friend in couple / gay friend not in couple is higher than my straight male friend in couple / straight male friend ratio < 1378335493 81345 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though statistically it should be easier for a straight guy to find a girlfriend < 1378335545 290242 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I beg to differ, a lot of guys are not ok when they don't currently have their hand or other body part in someone's vagina < 1378335550 433860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1378335555 5831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snerk* < 1378335570 291539 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's more to it than just dating pool size though. < 1378335679 152547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your friends who are gay don't feel the need to advertise this fact to you unless they're dating a guy < 1378335701 761582 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have I mentioned I'm gay today?" :) < 1378335701 962766 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1378335719 264173 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah I felt very weird when I learned my cousin was gay < 1378335744 184949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: imo what's with the "men do X" thing < 1378335772 897039 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because I was so surprised not to know that already < 1378335863 292684 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1378335937 609794 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hadn't thought about that < 1378336026 945755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of the term "cheating" to describe any non-monogamous situation really pisses me off... cheating = lying, breaking rules, etc. < 1378336043 910155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone involved is aware of what's happening and is okay with it, /that's not cheating/ < 1378336044 266968 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1378336047 743122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens more often than you might expect < 1378336059 984814 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's also okay to call yourself bisexual even if you've /never had sex/ <<< I realize I would never call myself anything anyway so that wouldn't apply < 1378336075 548953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course as a society we make an exception for "single" men, who are allowed to sleep around as much as they want without it being "cheating" < 1378336082 787444 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a term for "uninterested in sex" FWIW. :P < 1378336101 851414 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as far as I know I have exactly one friend who's into that < 1378336123 638291 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either that or other friends want to keep that a secret) < 1378336149 531834 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is also some sort of non-monogamous...
< 1378336172 457397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have remarkably few personal secrets... < 1378336180 58864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping secrets is too much effort < 1378336184 270551 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda bad at 'em. < 1378336187 56591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus secretly (!) I like to brag < 1378336196 865969 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also note that "non-monogamous" implies one man and several women, not the other way around < 1378336208 110676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: no, it definitely does not < 1378336215 730122 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1378336225 706339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a traditional meaning of the word "polygamy" yeah < 1378336229 723153 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just break what I knew about vocabulary? :( < 1378336229 869249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the only meaning, either < 1378336233 602434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would avoid that word for that reason < 1378336236 947534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and for others) < 1378336261 706472 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gamy is the a suffix for "marriage"... < 1378336267 308707 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in highschool we had a Nigerian teacher who came to talk about the differences between France and Niger < 1378336284 420085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polygyny, Koen_ < 1378336286 228415 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he began by introducing himself and ended by answering our questions < 1378336290 27087 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just happens that people think multiple women when discussing non-monogamous things. < 1378336290 295433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of polygyny < 1378336293 643061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another reason to not keep secrets: I'm in a position due to various privileges and life circumstances to say "fuck 'em" to the people who would hate me for these things, rather than being afraid of them) < 1378336299 691477 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's introduction included "I'm monogamous" < 1378336312 252513 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one of the question was "is having several wives legal in Niger?" < 1378336320 171744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes "polygyny" and "polyandry" are specific anthropological terms < 1378336336 973139 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which the teacher answered by explaining why that was okay and why the student shouldn't be shocked < 1378336343 338336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"graph minor isomorphic to K_5" less used in the literature < 1378336349 949310 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the student asked, "is it legal for a woman to have several husbands in Niger?" < 1378336356 556859 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the teacher was very shocked < 1378336365 782092 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HOW WOULD THAT MAKE ANY SENSE" < 1378336381 867596 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did somebody say "gangbang"? < 1378336387 473141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, just now < 1378336392 75470 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1378336408 209269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have double standards about practically *everything* involving sex and relationships < 1378336412 272403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi why hast thou forsaken us < 1378336412 876730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of remarkable < 1378336452 678701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the double standards are clearly in the interests of the patriarchy < 1378336455 757944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they are just baffling < 1378336566 146647 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex in general is best described as "complicated". < 1378336578 137368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :award for most fatuous statement goes to < 1378336605 189129 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378336619 616761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never hope to understand it < 1378336688 954267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah... but I would much rather have the complications that come from people actually feeling strongly about each other, over the complications that come from following arbitrary rules that never made any sense to me or the people i'm with < 1378336689 790991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pikhq just has too short nick < 1378336700 130838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me these are fairly different in kind < 1378336750 915098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably not understand why monogamy is such a compelling default to most of the population... but the same goes for theism, and lots of other things < 1378336770 52762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course people are plenty bad at actually following the rules of monogamy, or of your theistic religion of choice < 1378336883 295393 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on "the population". historically (institutionalized) polygyny has been more common than monogamy < 1378336889 46355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1378336892 155138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :historically and worldwide. w/e. < 1378336910 789138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean among people I'm generally pretty close to culturally < 1378336989 432790 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just felt like mentioning that. < 1378337001 438460 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it moves you to cultural norms rather than "human norms". < 1378337023 555612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe at least to me the appeal comes from the idea of like, having a person you can cling to and rely on and know they'll be there, and you'll be there for them, and that you'll always be their priority? < 1378337073 401525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'll never understand theism" is a pretty internet atheisty statement to me tbh < 1378337131 672145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little easy to shrug off monogamy when you feel like you can get through all of life's challenges on your own, but not everyone feels that way... < 1378337134 30349 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll never understand why people have war over religions < 1378337143 704877 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't, generally. < 1378337153 860139 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more than the pig war was about a pig. < 1378337161 790536 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1378337209 687299 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also holy christ circuit design programs are complicated, fucking hell < 1378337223 232735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ones for drawing circuits? < 1378337230 689246 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog < 1378337238 146220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1378337261 627362 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the program that i had to download as a five GB tarball, have i mentioned that here < 1378337272 205985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog sounds really cool to me but i've never really gotten into it < 1378337345 990983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, when did you stop being arc btw < 1378337351 869812 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm doing the super cool circuit design of "connecting a switch to a light" < 1378337362 328624 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378337401 622941 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was Arc_Koen because there was that guy on freenode who owned the Koen nick < 1378337403 718920 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If using the DEPP interface uncomment lines 25-28" hoping this had to do with johnny < 1378337417 174906 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've recently decided I was the real Koen and didn't needed the Arc_ < 1378337432 501710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is koen cognate with koan < 1378337434 258069 :Solain!5744f12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.68.241.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378337443 74111 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's koan? < 1378337451 456825 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zen thing, one assumes < 1378337473 846517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the sound of one word cognating < 1378337532 996624 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably find an emacs mode and ditch this thing < 1378337643 770802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, good point... I don't feel like I can get through life's challenges alone, and I depend on a wonderful committed partner all the time < 1378337668 75790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would also be totally unfair of me to expect her and her alone to satisfy all of my physical and emotional needs < 1378337674 2444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or vice versa) < 1378337679 882596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think the stress of doing so would destroy our relationship < 1378337708 259044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm very glad that neither of us feels any pressure for that to be the case < 1378337711 588272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sex makes it compliated -_- < 1378337723 235252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's complicated either way, but yeah < 1378337735 115006 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the whole physical needs thing right < 1378337741 140408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but it's not only about that < 1378337742 937158 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he said "emotional needs" < 1378337746 324951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1378337766 214714 :Solain!5744f12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.68.241.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel as tht i shouldnt be seeing be in this irc in this time of the night < 1378337772 603179 :Solain!5744f12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.68.241.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here < 1378337780 453307 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can deal w/it < 1378337781 992987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think monogamy entails exclusivity over 'emotional needs' really < 1378337800 117191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I was thinking the same < 1378337801 868464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on who you ask < 1378337807 296556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what exactly you mean < 1378337808 136898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess ... yeah < 1378337816 371233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"emotional cheating" is definitely a thing people talk about < 1378337823 368223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook cyber-flirting < 1378337823 599568 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«If using the DEPP interface uncomment lines 25-28» have so little idea of what i'm doing < 1378337827 754147 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wrong paste < 1378337830 732457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter ultra-sexing < 1378337835 545649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... emotional cheating? < 1378337838 769508 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't understand that either, so assume i don't know anything about anything. < 1378337840 421182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you better uncomment it < 1378337844 110261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a fairly narrow use of the term < 1378337885 701671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway most people would say that marriage is about more than sex, so I would assume they think monogamy is about more than sexual exclusivity too? < 1378337898 286453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the whole thing makes me go a bit :psyduck: < 1378337927 59797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's about guaranteeing that both people will always view the other as their primary care and responsibility, emotionally and otherwise...? < 1378337941 362558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, socially-defined constructs like that based around sex confuse me < 1378338064 211071 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with two files. build. end with forty files and six subdirectories. < 1378338067 582100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i think they probably mean you're meant to be emotionally invested in your partner, not rely on them exclusively < 1378338082 574080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, are the files archives < 1378338098 152988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way I don't mean to imply that arrangements with only two people are bad or wrong (for anyone, or for myself) < 1378338101 403389 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1378338111 593870 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what most of them are, in fact. < 1378338131 957487 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, a .xrpt. < 1378338133 290866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have such arrangements without having a rigid external rule that this is the only acceptable way to do anything ever < 1378338153 133968 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's "Xml RePorT" < 1378338154 982222 :Solain!5744f12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.68.241.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me for interupting your conversetion, but i found the medical expretise which consults bones and muscles, its called "orthopedics" in english. you can find more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthopedic_surgery; we have a more accurate name in hebrew though < 1378338166 862083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BONES < 1378338169 650297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CASH FOR BONES < 1378338175 921198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUSCLES FOR BONES < 1378338217 564217 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is the pinout as csv < 1378338219 369278 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1378338234 678914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solain: why are you telling us this < 1378338239 462622 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"T8,sw,IOB,IO_L31N_GCLK30_D15_2,INPUT,LVCMOS25*,2,,,,NONE,,UNLOCATED,NO,NONE," < 1378338241 974444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solain, you could've just asked us... < 1378338370 273408 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Solain is back < 1378338371 291947 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya < 1378338391 640120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1378338396 902746 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric : [19:37:10] twitter ultra-sexing < 1378338397 633792 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1378338400 261490 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1378338408 438132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: totally not a thing I just made up < 1378338439 647920 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if we're talking about cheating, I'm pretty sure twitter ultra-sexing applies < 1378338447 729546 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$2.77 × 10^15 + $3.99 shipping" yay amazon < 1378338454 906336 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, basic cheating. Not emotional cheating. < 1378338457 770631 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@154.5.184.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1378338463 190655 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :relationship advice: does following voidsexts constitute cheating < 1378338472 818178 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :voidsexts? < 1378338479 333018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you pixelate out your junk before you twitpic it to a congressman < 1378338493 324933 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :public void sex(Relationship *arg) < 1378338494 372194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric should totally write a relationship advice column < 1378338515 895309 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: https://twitter.com/voidsexts < 1378338519 440839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language uses 'public' that way and also has *-pointers? checkmate < 1378338528 547364 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Failing advice, I gave you some pointers... < 1378338548 248693 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1378338566 85100 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Huh. I don't think it counts, no < 1378338640 4477 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:45:19] [19:34:28] but it would also be totally unfair of me to expect her and her alone to satisfy all of my physical and emotional needs < 1378338640 150621 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:45:19] [19:34:33] (or vice versa) < 1378338640 296520 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:45:19] [19:34:39] in fact I think the stress of doing so would destroy our relationship < 1378338649 432325 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1378338665 726332 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378338666 118751 :Solain!5744f12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.68.241.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those insta messeges scared me < 1378338672 503244 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need to paste three lines just to "++" in the future < 1378338682 832891 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a cautionary tail, though < 1378338690 385720 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bike: There's more coming up) < 1378338696 825336 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to provide context and all < 1378338699 132086 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1378338704 621781 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. Cautionary tail of sorts < 1378338716 976774 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of relationship I build with my SO < 1378338720 92389 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tale" < 1378338725 915792 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1378338728 639998 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1378338731 678491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow < 1378338734 953800 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm tired) < 1378338746 229092 :Solain!5744f12a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.68.241.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me2) < 1378338760 210006 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your SO doesn't have to fill every emotional need you have" < 1378338764 406594 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked, to a point < 1378338782 351038 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1378338790 458993 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked well, no pressure and all, until we got to the last few months < 1378338810 970064 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I realized that since I wasn't expecting her to fill any particular need, I found ways to fill them elsewhere < 1378338818 706752 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which put her in a weird position in my mind < 1378338841 865126 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO stands for significant other right? < 1378338845 389999 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1378338861 681023 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first thought of "soulmate" but that acronym is already taken I reckon < 1378338876 939236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's SO weird to see that term which i remember from old usenet < 1378338906 13243 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that by trying not to put pressure on my SO to fill my needs, I just bypassed her for most of them < 1378338912 744483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1378338931 326054 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I ended up in a situation where she wasn't my go-to person for any non-physical need < 1378338963 305885 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which lead to a not-so-nice situation where I was wondering what was special between us two < 1378338966 865136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url quotes < 1378338968 688618 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/quotes < 1378338979 42826 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since most of what I needed, I could find elsewhere - and did < 1378338996 843295 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your SO(2) group < 1378339001 662090 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo: It worked well, no pressure and all, until we got to the last few months <<< I read that as "we had a countdown-to-separation already in place and we reacting badly to it going under a few months < 1378339006 989299 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. The realization was recent (weeks, really), so I'm still recovering < 1378339015 616726 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rofl =P < 1378339018 31600 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no < 1378339020 617176 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're engaged =P < 1378339074 130785 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's actually a countdown-to-marriage! < 1378339082 65885 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was close < 1378339088 304984 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, vaguely, yeah < 1378339093 578002 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t minus one million seconds < 1378339094 657487 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no date yet, so not really < 1378339114 634876 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's eleven days < 1378339116 974773 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. We're still recovering and trying to get back close to one another < 1378339120 5423 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats on being married in eleven days < 1378339124 483300 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh =P < 1378339126 107856 :Roujo!~Roujo@unaffiliated/roujo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks ^^