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01:03:10 <shachaf> kmc: http://anagramatron.tumblr.com/
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02:51:52 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
03:19:05 <madbr> why am I obsessed by cpu design :o
03:20:16 <oerjan> it's because you were a computer in your previous life
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04:05:38 <shachaf> Sgeo knows a bit, I think.
04:05:47 <constant> and if so, do you know if Long_Long_Integer'Last is uniform across implementations ?
04:25:36 <Sgeo> Here's all I remember about ada: x and y or z is invalid, you need parens like (x and y) or z
04:26:00 <Sgeo> Probably not that helpful hee
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05:38:00 <kmc> Sgeo: seems like a reasonable rule
05:38:26 <kmc> I'm definitely in favor of languages having fewer complicated precedence rules and more "put in some damn parentheses" parse errors
05:38:38 <kmc> in totally the opposite direction, I saw a proposal for using horizontal whitespace for this
05:38:45 <kmc> so that a+b * c would be different from a + b*c
05:39:11 <kmc> the "as" casting operator in Rust ended up between + and * in the hierarchy because people kept getting confused and modifying the compiler to move it
05:39:36 <Bike> i kind of hate the whitespace thing.
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05:40:36 <Sgeo> Ada was more or less intended to be rock-solid in a easier-to-understand and harder-to-make-bugs sense, I think
05:40:45 <Sgeo> I don't know if it actually succeeded
05:41:57 <Sgeo> http://archive.adaic.com/standards/83rat/html/ratl-03-06.html
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06:26:19 <shachaf> @@ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blaha /me abc
06:26:19 <lambdabot> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blaha /
06:26:24 <shachaf> @@ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahaaa /me abc
06:26:24 <lambdabot> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahaaa
06:26:46 <shachaf> Oh, right, it ignores the IRC line length and splits its own way.
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07:29:13 <kmc> it turns out that bit-banging serial protocols from Python on Linux on a 700 MHz 32-bit processor is a lot slower than from a C program with no OS on a 16 MHz 8-bit processor
07:29:19 <kmc> this is not really surprising, but still a pain
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08:15:27 <lsrike> I have this issue with this Piet esoteric language. I have a foreach loop that upon each iteration increments the output with a value. I want this value to be an input rather than a variable. Here is my code so far: http://i.imgur.com/dfBkOFD.png
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08:23:30 <Taneb> lsrike, well, you need to make it an input rather than a variable, then
08:24:45 <Taneb> To input a number, it's 4 hue steps and 2 shades darker
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11:14:32 <nortti> ``Fort Pannerden (a military fort built in 1869) was evicted on November 8, 2006, by a massive police operation which used military machinery and cost one million euros. The squatters then re-squatted the fort on November 26''
11:14:36 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `Fort: not found
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14:57:07 <Taneb> How do I invoke the wrath of myndzi
14:57:10 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
14:57:11 <myndzi> | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´ | c.c.c | `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ ¦ c.c.c |
14:57:11 <myndzi> /< c.c >\ /| | | /< c.c /| | /| |´¸¨ c.c /`\
15:06:36 <olsner> myndzi doesn't seem very wrathful
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15:41:39 <mnoqy> then what was that up there
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17:41:12 <ion> Multiocular c
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19:29:36 <kmc> multiocular c.c!
19:30:16 <kmc> c.c is a CMU-ism I think; it's like eyes looking away
19:30:21 <kmc> verbal equivalent might be "uh...."
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19:31:13 <kmc> something like "don't worry if you get a call about me from the FBI tomorrow" "c.c"
19:31:42 <kmc> and multiocular O is the most rare and exotic glyph variant of Cyrillic letter O; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O
19:33:23 <shachaf> do you mean to say "Cyrillic letter О"
19:41:30 <olsner> apparently you need a 6 letter nick
19:41:33 <kmc> shachaf: I copy-pasted from Wikipedia
19:41:39 <kmc> but probably yes
19:42:20 <ion> BREAKING NEWS: incorrect information detected on Wikipedia
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21:27:09 <oerjan> @@ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahaaa /me abc
21:27:09 <lambdabot> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahaaa
21:27:52 <elliott> oerjan: I suggest not thinking about it. that's what I decided.
21:28:26 <oerjan> @@ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahaaa /part I suggest you fix it instead.
21:28:26 <lambdabot> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahaaa
21:28:26 <lambdabot> /part I suggest you fix it instead.
21:28:36 <shachaf> oerjan: No, it's a special case in the code for /me.
21:29:20 <oerjan> oh it would need an #esoteric anyway, i guess.
21:29:54 <Koen_> @@ what is this new / @ command?
21:29:54 <lambdabot> Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: ""
21:29:56 <oerjan> elliott: ok i think i concur with your suggestion.
21:30:22 <Koen_> @@ what is this previously unknowned by me / command?
21:30:22 <lambdabot> Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: ""
21:30:24 <lambdabot> @@ executes plugin invocations in its arguments, parentheses can be used.
21:30:24 <lambdabot> The commands are right associative.
21:30:24 <lambdabot> is the same as: @@ (@pl (@undo code))
21:32:21 <lambdabot> ?? executes plugin invocations in its arguments, parentheses can be used.
21:32:21 <lambdabot> The commands are right associative.
21:32:21 <lambdabot> is the same as: ?? (?pl (?undo code))
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21:32:32 <lambdabot> Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: ""
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21:35:57 <oerjan> elliott: would you get angry with me if i told Solain to be more patient before quitting?
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21:36:59 <HackEgo> hm what is this? ¯\(°_o)/¯
21:37:12 <olsner> `run cat wisdom/Solain
21:37:14 <HackEgo> cat: wisdom/Solain: No such file or directory
21:37:16 <olsner> `run cat wisdom/solain
21:37:42 <shachaf> You should fix cat up so it behaves like ? when reading a file from wisdom/
21:37:56 <oerjan> olsner: i was just wondering if someone had changed something to use that picture by default, since it has happened before.
21:38:07 <olsner> I was also wondering the same thing
21:39:05 <oerjan> oh of course it's ls which is specialized.
21:41:19 <oerjan> @tell Solain Most people aren't watching the irc channels all the time, so quitting after just a minute because no one responded is a bit short. :)
21:41:47 <oerjan> wait, i just realized that also applies to elliott answering my question. oh well.
21:41:50 <shachaf> oerjan: Now I've gotten angry with you.
21:42:25 <oerjan> shachaf: it's ok you don't have ops
21:42:42 <shachaf> only in channels that matter hth
21:45:28 <olsner> oerjan: you really don't need elliott's approval to talk to people
21:48:06 <olsner> or maybe you do and we both get banned for subvertive behaviour
21:48:21 <shachaf> oerjan: alt. you can fix that
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22:11:02 <Koen_> and once more I'm on the living side of the split
22:11:07 <Koen_> I feel like the chosen one
22:11:16 <Koen_> never been split out of my side
22:11:28 <lambdabot> kmc said 2d 21h 50m 7s ago: I think && and || are just special cased in the language, as in most languages
22:11:51 <Koen_> yes *I guessed so*
22:12:03 <olsner> Koen_: from their side of the split you're on the dead side of the split
22:12:46 <Koen_> you're talking nonsense olsner
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22:25:23 <Roujo> Koen_: Wait... That's how split works. You can't die because of a split. =/
22:25:39 <Roujo> Unless you count being on the side where Services are as "being on the living side"
22:26:20 <olsner> I've never been on the dead side so I'm really not sure what happens there
22:26:29 <Koen_> Roujo: I'm pretty sure the other half was marked as having quitted
22:26:55 <Roujo> Koen_: Yeah, and from their side you're the one who quit =P
22:26:55 <Koen_> Roujo: so i'm gonna assume you're just jalous and making stuff up
22:28:35 <Roujo> Koen_: But that's not how netsplits woooork >_>
22:30:01 <Koen_> Roujo: what proof do you have?
22:30:22 <Koen_> olsner just admitted he didn't have any
22:31:46 <Roujo> I was on the other side, once
22:32:47 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure only my irssi session exists and the rest of the universe is an illusion
22:34:22 <Roujo> oerjan: We're just irssi scripts. Well, I am, anyway
22:37:11 <oerjan> some of us aren't even trying to hide it \o/
22:39:22 <Koen_> \o/ \o/ have to trest with multiple \o/s
22:42:39 <oerjan> ^celebrate DO IT LIKE THIS
22:42:39 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
22:42:39 <myndzi> | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´ | c.c.c | `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
22:42:40 <myndzi> |\ c.c |\ /< | | |\ c.c |\ | /| | |\ c.c /<
22:48:44 <Koen_> sooooooo what am I looking at?
22:50:22 <olsner> three multiocular c.c and two \m/ \m/ and some \o| through |o/ and some other people
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22:51:21 <Koen_> multiocular c.c OKAY
22:51:40 <oerjan> i didn't know myndzi's line length was that big
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22:52:15 <olsner> I did get a bit worried when it didn't respond for 11 seconds
22:53:09 <oerjan> i was surprised when it _did_ respond, as i thought you'd gone past the allowed line length.
22:53:33 <HackEgo> myanon: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
22:56:33 <myanon> I was wondering about an oddity when going to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turing_complete ... The list doesn't include Bitwise Cyclic Tag, but click (next 200) at bottom of page, then (previous 200), and there it is! Pretty strange.
22:57:25 <Koen_> yes category pages are obscure
22:58:02 <oerjan> myanon: hm i'm not seeing what you are seeing, it's in the right spot for me.
22:58:21 <oerjan> misread your instructions
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22:59:38 <Roujo> There's an allowed line lenght?
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23:00:03 <olsner> no, all line lengths are forbidden!
23:00:05 <oerjan> Roujo: i thought there was some limit. but maybe i remember wrong.
23:00:17 <oerjan> myanon: anyway, i didn't manage to see your problem.
23:00:27 <Roujo> I guess I'll just c.c until the cows go home, then.
23:02:27 <oerjan> myanon: ok i see that the category was added only four days ago. i suspect there was something in cache or database that hadn't been updated properly, and it was somehow recalculated when you went back to it.
23:02:43 <oerjan> so from now it should work properly.
23:02:58 <oerjan> (added to the BCT article, that is.)
23:04:06 <oerjan> i understand this can sometimes happen with category pages.
23:04:24 <Roujo> Categories are Weird
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23:06:40 <myanon> oerjan ... I just tried it again using both Chrome and IE ... clicking the Turing Complete category link (or using the one I just posted) gives repeatable behavior ... Bitwise Cyclic Tag doesn't appear on the opening page (should be between BiTrax and Blind), then it mysteriously shows up by clicking Next then Previous 200.
23:06:52 <Koen_> I've got that problem for basically any language that's been added to a category in the past several months
23:07:44 <Koen_> (except if the category was added when the page was created rather than in a later edit)
23:08:50 <oerjan> ok. i think this is elliott's problem :P
23:09:28 <oerjan> myanon: what happens if you reload explicitly?
23:10:29 <myanon> oerjan ... same thing if I explicitly hit Reload in the browser -- it's missing until I do the Next/Previous thing.
23:11:05 <oerjan> Shift-Reload? (or is it Ctrl- i can never remember the difference, or if there even is one.)
23:12:29 <oerjan> it would make sense for plain Reload not to work if the category pages don't keep track of when their content changes properly.
23:13:20 <oerjan> because plain Reload (as well as restarting the browser i think) only reloads if the server tells the browser that the page has changed since the browser visited it.
23:13:52 <oerjan> also, if this is the case then wiping your browser cache should also work.
23:15:54 <myanon> oerjan ... with Chrome, none of these have an effect: F5, Shift-F5, Ctrl-F5 (these last two "overide the cache", according to the Chrome website)
23:17:47 <oerjan> weird. i'm using IE 10 btw.
23:18:10 <myndzi> i can never remember shift or ctrl, usually try both
23:18:15 <myndzi> i think only one works in firefox
23:18:25 <myndzi> in chrome, i have dev tools set to disable cache
23:18:29 <myndzi> so i can just open dev tools and refresh
23:18:53 <oerjan> i _do_ have a vague feeling they do the same thing in IE.
23:19:22 <myanon> oerjan ... I've tried the latest Chrome and IE10 ... same behavior -- are you not getting this behavior at all?
23:20:14 <oerjan> i've seen Bitwise Cyclic Tag in the right spot every time - but i forgot to look before doing Next 200 the first time, since i misread your instruction.
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23:22:21 <oerjan> myanon: i see it when i log out from my account first!
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23:22:45 <Koen_> oerjan: btw you were probably right about google suggestions; I realized afterwards I was talking about google results
23:23:09 <oerjan> Koen_: OK MAYBE I DON'T HAVE TO KILL YOU ALL ANYWAY THEN
23:23:13 <myanon> NOW it works ... I hadn't bothered to log in, and when I did, the mysterious behavior goes away. It reappears if I log out!
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23:23:47 <oerjan> ok, new explanation: elliott has set up caching for non-logged in pages.
23:23:48 <Koen_> oerjan: yeah hum I'm afraid you still have to since you didn't call my bluff the first time
23:24:15 <elliott> oerjan: I have, but it should expire properly?
23:24:32 <oerjan> elliott: but maybe not within 4 days?
23:24:36 <Roujo> I intend, with notice, to call every bluff ever made.
23:25:05 <oerjan> although Koen_ says he has that problem for older pages than that
23:25:10 <elliott> oerjan: it should expire immediately-ish when it should expire
23:25:44 <Koen_> wenn I don't remember if there's a distinction between being logged in or not, and I haven't checked for at least six months
23:26:40 * oerjan notes that the new urls for the Rflct links aren't loading properly either, but at least the host supposedly exists.
23:27:03 <elliott> oerjan: the {{deadlink}} didn't get removed!
23:27:06 <elliott> they're just updated dead links.
23:27:11 <myanon> But isn't it very strange that this is apparently only happening with Bitwise Cyclic Tag (which happens to be a page that I created)???
23:28:18 <oerjan> elliott: i know. i hope they'll load occasionally. :)
23:28:30 <elliott> cool! I was wondering where you went, years ago
23:29:22 <myanon> I stop by here occasionally, but haven't really participated for quite a while.
23:29:25 <oerjan> myanon: it's not strange because it was the last page to have a category updated.
23:29:43 <myanon> oerjan ... ahhh, I see
23:30:39 <oerjan> elliott: perhaps the expiry is calculated wrong for category pages?
23:30:51 <oerjan> like, it only includes the actual category text, or something.
23:31:24 <oerjan> i suppose we could test by editing that.
23:32:41 <oerjan> myanon: try reloading now.
23:33:51 <myanon> Nice ... now it works whether logged in or out ... thanks for all your trouble!
23:34:12 <oerjan> ok but elliott still needs to fix the underlying problem :P
23:37:23 * oerjan wonders if this caching bug would also affect template inclusions.
23:44:03 <myanon> Time for me to go ... everyone have a good day, and thanks for doing whatever you can about the "bug".
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