00:13:48 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:13:54 -!- ssue___ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:14:07 -!- augur has joined. 00:22:30 oerjan's chessboard is 5×13 00:23:02 UM RIGHT 00:29:38 sounds like the perfect size for a chessboard 00:29:44 -!- kmc has set topic: Approved by the Postmaster General | PDF still available during construction work: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | the boily at the end of all things. 00:44:03 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 00:46:48 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:47:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:53:51 why does libpng have Y2K compliance notice dated 2012? 00:54:05 you'd think that by then, Y2K compliance issues would mostly have become obvious 00:54:08 "Y2K compliant as of January 112" 00:54:21 -!- Zuu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:54:23 ++ 00:55:28 maybe they use the Islamic calendar and they're just being especially proactive 00:55:56 Maybe there's some sort of regulation thing that they want to conform to? 00:56:25 it's so that government time travel agencies sniffing around for software don't get scared off 00:57:05 Bike: did you read _The Little Prince_ 00:57:10 yea 00:57:32 it's good 00:58:27 yea 01:00:30 -!- Zuu has joined. 01:05:09 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:07:24 -!- azaq23 has joined. 02:09:33 -!- ssue___ has joined. 02:17:16 -!- augur has joined. 02:21:57 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:41:14 http://31.media.tumblr.com/dab7aa8bf8f038956f12899a2c004a35/tumblr_mr2z3uTZ2p1s5krz3o1_400.jpg 02:41:52 that is amazing 02:41:57 that is like something from http://liartownusa.tumblr.com/ [nsfw] 02:42:43 this site is extremely worrying kmc 02:42:51 i'm glad u think so 02:42:56 i think that means it's working 02:44:30 this site is a lot more nsfw than last time i looked -__- 02:48:49 DIFFICULT-TO-STRIP-TO HITS makes up for it 02:49:19 "The Fishin' Hole (Theme from the Andy Griffith Show)" 02:54:46 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 02:59:35 * Sgeo__ wonders what games have better soundtracks than gameplay 02:59:45 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:59:49 Games with a highly rated soundtrack but poorly reviewed gameplay 03:00:28 -!- Frooxius has joined. 03:00:56 the film _Antitrust_ has a fantastic soundtrack but kind of meh plot and everything else 03:01:03 however I still enjoy watching it 03:01:30 what's it about, breaking up monopolies? 03:02:06 maybe it's a misspelling of Antirust. 03:02:15 or Antithrust. 03:03:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:03:26 it's about what if microsoft went around murdering open source developers to take their code 03:03:30 a conspiracy thriller of sorts 03:03:38 um, right. 03:04:37 definitely go with the soundtrack. 03:04:57 presumably "Antithrust" would be the porn parody 03:07:20 Oh, not actually Microsoft, just a company that is a blatant stand-in for Microsoft 03:07:35 right 03:08:13 Megahard, one hopes. 03:08:17 or is that in antithrust. 03:08:20 again, porn parody 03:08:21 yes 03:09:26 i can see that the trick is to make it _both_ a porn parody and an anti-megacorp satire 03:10:39 maybe it should be not a porn parody but just a genre parody with lots of dirty jokes, a la _Spaceballs_ 03:11:30 I watched Star Wars IV for the first time in August 03:11:43 apparently the danish translated Die Hard: With a Vengeance as Die Hard: Mega Hard. 03:11:43 It seemed... generic. I guess it wasn't back then 03:12:22 i don't think i've watched IV 03:14:29 Sgeo__: i _know_ i've seen the relevant tvtropes page. 03:15:09 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny 03:32:56 Games with a highly rated soundtrack but poorly reviewed gameplay ← Final Fantasy Mystic Quest 03:36:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:36:24 -!- augur_ has joined. 03:36:47 Oops it looks like the video is a bit fuzzy, that perhaps the timing is not synchronized correctly or something like that 03:37:42 Like the clock speed for the video is not precise enough. 03:37:52 Do you know how to fix this problem? 03:44:57 variable variable, e's our op, if e can't solve it, no one can 03:47:59 Sgeo__: hrm? 03:50:23 #wolfgame 03:52:31 -!- copumpkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:53:05 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:20:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 04:35:17 In Pokemon Card, if your opponent tries to use NIGHTLY GARBAGE RUN and stall and stuff so that you run out of cards, well, one thing I did was pass until I had drawn the last remaining card and then play ITEMFINDER to retrieve GAMBLER and play that; I won with 30 cards in draw pile when opponent has none. 04:35:26 This is a kind of tactics that can be used. 04:36:57 zzo38: have you looked at Cardfight Vanguard? 04:37:09 Sgeo__: No; can you explain? 04:38:08 It's a CCG. Each player has 6 cards in play, one (for each) is the Vanguard, which they can upgrade. 6 damage to it loses the game. And, um, maybe I shouldn't try explaining everything over IRC 04:38:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardfight!!_Vanguard#Trading_card_game 04:40:24 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 04:40:52 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:40:57 -!- SgeoWeb has joined. 04:41:06 Was abruptly disconnected 04:41:11 In the situation, no cards ever got knocked out; they didn't have much cards that could do damage, and their cards were all resisted to mine (which was actually to my advantage; I could paralyze them without allowing them to switch) 04:41:12 The Web interface has a weird captcha 04:41:15 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:41:18 -!- mnoqy has joined. 04:41:26 -!- SgeoWeb has quit (Client Quit). 04:42:23 That ws odd 04:44:13 -!- Tefaj has joined. 04:44:22 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 04:44:24 -!- salparot__ has joined. 04:45:07 -!- aloril_ has joined. 04:47:02 -!- yours_truly has joined. 04:49:35 -!- copumpkin has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:36 -!- nisstyre has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:36 -!- Sgeo__ has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:36 -!- TodPunk has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:36 -!- aloril has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:36 -!- olsner has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:37 -!- pikhq has quit (*.net *.split). 04:49:37 -!- Jafet has quit (*.net *.split). 04:52:50 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:53:49 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to Guest99891. 04:56:15 -!- Guest99891 has quit (*.net *.split). 05:02:01 -!- Guest99891 has joined. 05:02:27 -!- Guest99891 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 05:15:49 My problem with the video seems to have fixed itself by now. 05:21:59 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 05:22:29 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 05:29:27 -!- yours_truly has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 05:52:26 -!- nisstyre has joined. 06:20:51 American mahjong hands change every year just by printed cards. Another way to do something like that in a far more strange way may be like: http://www.reachmahjong.com/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=56548#p56548 06:24:24 -!- FreeFull has quit. 06:28:18 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:47:51 -!- fungot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:52:12 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:52:14 -!- fungot has joined. 07:02:20 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:29:24 -!- zzo38 has joined. 07:34:21 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:37:28 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:38:16 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 07:38:23 -!- Bike has joined. 07:48:55 -!- S1 has joined. 07:55:31 -!- ais523 has quit. 07:59:02 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 08:01:49 -!- S1 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:24:55 -!- S1 has joined. 08:32:45 anyone? 08:32:52 hi 08:34:58 -!- salparot__ has changed nick to olsner. 08:36:04 Does someone here program in INTERCAL? 08:38:56 I have done once. 08:39:00 I know some things about it. 08:39:06 What is it you need? 08:39:23 nothing special. Just asking. 08:39:35 Cause I read that paper ("F - Not funny") remember that? 08:39:44 Without a specific question, there is no answer. 08:40:47 thx captain obvious. 08:41:42 well actually you answered. Cause the only question I had was if someone programs in INTERCAL. 08:42:06 You can also find INTERCAL programs if you look. 08:42:32 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:44:44 cool. Where? 08:44:59 -!- copumpkin has quit (*.net *.split). 08:45:13 -!- copumpkin has joined. 08:45:33 I think if you looked in the esolang wiki you might find the article about INTERCAL which links to some programs. I know Knuth wrote one INTERCAL program too. 08:46:46 aaah right.... forgot that... sry ^^ thx 09:01:18 -!- carado has joined. 09:01:37 -!- carado has quit (Client Quit). 09:01:45 -!- carado has joined. 09:02:24 -!- S1 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 09:08:30 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 09:11:23 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:47:12 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:49:57 -!- Tefaj has quit (Changing host). 09:49:57 -!- Tefaj has joined. 10:00:55 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:03:52 -!- mnoqy has joined. 11:19:32 -!- Koen_ has joined. 11:19:51 -!- Taneb has joined. 11:32:06 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:53:36 -!- carado has joined. 11:54:27 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:26:52 -!- oklopol has joined. 12:40:19 -!- yorick has joined. 13:00:43 -!- boily has joined. 13:02:59 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:17:04 -!- asie has joined. 13:20:55 `pastewisdom 13:20:59 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ 13:24:42 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:27:16 -!- M_Biohazard has joined. 13:27:17 good orangignal morning! 13:27:21 `relcome M_Biohazard 13:27:24 Um... Hi... 13:27:25 ​M_Biohazard: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 13:27:48 -!- nooodl has joined. 13:28:48 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 13:28:52 http://pastebin.com/DfA0pmgG 13:30:21 .. 13:30:24 :( 13:30:42 :(? 13:30:57 Sorry, I'm kinda scared right now. 13:32:21 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 13:32:36 scared of? 13:32:50 I dunno. 13:32:59 I'm on IRC. 13:33:09 Don't use it very much. 13:33:46 @ask elliott did you get anywhere with your text diagrams library? 13:33:46 Consider it noted. 13:34:00 ... 13:34:24 I tried to make an esoteric programming language. 13:34:31 good! 13:35:50 ... 13:36:45 it's always good to esotericise. 13:37:55 M_Biohazard: it looks a lot like brainfuck 13:38:15 @messages-loud 13:38:15 oerjan said 1d 16h 49m 12s ago: the problem is, that's mutual recursion, which is a different joke. 13:38:25 I knew that. 13:38:56 Koen_, what I sent WAS brainfuck. 13:39:08 this would explain that 13:39:09 I'm talking about something different. 13:39:15 good! 13:39:26 care to share? :) 13:40:01 Sure. 13:40:35 I think it's quite rubbish right now, though 13:41:37 Uh, how do I send a .txt file to you? 13:43:48 -!- M_Biohazard has quit (Quit: Page closed). 13:43:50 -!- Koen_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:43:52 -!- Koen__ has joined. 13:45:27 -!- M_Biohazard has joined. 13:45:32 hello back 13:45:37 Right, http://pastebin.com/TEiYj72n 13:46:26 -!- Koen__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:46:44 -!- Koen_ has joined. 13:47:22 ggggggggh 13:47:28 okay so 13:47:43 M_Biohazard: the "double-meaning" of all those operators is kinda strange 13:48:02 for instance I'd expect :( :( to be "subtract -1" 13:48:35 so :( :( :( would'n be -3, but 0 (because you subtract -1 from -1) 13:49:12 Yeah 13:49:18 what is an ofto? (can't ~duck, or I will incur the wrath of the Phantom) 13:49:24 OFTO 13:49:38 It's a smile 13:50:20 no. my monday-morning-uncaffeinated-brain can't parse the smile. 13:50:51 I suspect the O are eyes 13:51:08 Yup 13:51:18 Well, if you wanted to subtract something, use :( :) :) 13:51:40 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...). 13:51:48 Becuase :( :( would be "Subtract -1" 13:51:56 Which is just :) :) 13:52:03 yes 13:52:09 but you say ":) :) :)" is -3 13:52:31 What? 13:52:36 Oh, right 13:52:51 :( Either subtract (As :( :) :) :), "Subtract 3". Or like :), so :( is -1, and :( :( :( is -3 13:53:06 how do you make the distinction between "-3" and "subtract -1 from -1"? 13:53:22 also I see there's already a ;) operator for numbers 13:54:15 so I'd expect maybe ";) :( :( :(" to be -3, and ":( :( :(" alone to be "subtract -1 from -1" 13:54:21 or something 13:54:32 ;( ;(, not :( :( :( 13:54:40 what's the language you are talking about? 13:54:50 -!- shikhin has joined. 13:54:56 Something I made, Myname. 13:55:53 Meh, just stick with LOLCODE. 13:56:00 This is too confusing for me. 13:56:00 noooooooo 13:56:07 your language sounds interesting 13:56:18 for starters, it appears to be purely functional, which is good 13:56:22 nüüüüüü! there are smiles! (and an OFTO.) 13:57:14 IIf you think it's interesting, why not delop it yourselves? 13:57:28 I'm just a bored 11 year old. 13:58:51 well it's your language 13:59:01 but I might have suggestions! 13:59:13 Okay, Koen_. 13:59:30 Wait... 13:59:41 can't wait long, I have to go 14:00:06 but remember, functional is good! http://xkcd.com/1270/ 14:00:08 :( and :) are both numbers, :-( and :-) could be actual subtract and add commands. 14:00:37 hmmm 14:00:41 maybe 14:01:07 I like that + and 1 have the same keyword 14:01:26 Huh? 14:01:35 well, :) can mean either "1" or "add" 14:01:38 that's fun 14:01:49 you just have to make sure that it's unambiguous which is meant 14:02:00 That would be a bit hard, though 14:02:23 Koen, :) :) :) :) could be interpreted as 1+1 14:02:30 And not +3 14:02:30 you could have some type-chicking - for instance, if :) is applied to a number, then it's the function "add", but if it's used as the argument of a function that expects a number, then it's the number 1 14:03:11 also do you have some syntax for grouping / parenthesizing? 14:03:13 so you only have one variable? 14:03:48 so what does clear do? 14:03:54 what does it clear? 14:04:03 It's like CLS, Yorick. 14:04:18 :) :):) could be interpreted as "add one to one" (so 2) but :) :) [ :) :) :)] would be "add one to (add one to one)" which is 3 14:04:27 Is type-chicking used in stringly typed languages? 14:05:01 Taneb: yes, but it's done by the programmer when they don't forget to check. 14:05:23 what does "clear" have to do with the chinese sign language? 14:05:24 Why not... 14:05:40 * Koen_ just realizes he managed to misread an acronym 14:05:42 time to go, bye 14:05:55 Koen_: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofto 14:06:03 :) ;) [:) :) :)] is "Add 3 14:06:16 That would be interesting. 14:06:22 yorick: that's not really explanatory is it 14:06:28 Koen_: I kno right 14:06:31 just think of it as a face 14:06:41 I'll try to do that 14:06:50 So ;) could be used after :) or :( 14:07:00 To define a number 14:07:13 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 14:07:55 xD 14:08:13 Code a Malbolge interpreter in Malbolge. 14:08:26 -!- carado has joined. 14:10:07 M_Biohazard: they had to bruteforce "hello, world" 14:10:19 Bruteforce? 14:10:40 try all the programs under a certain length until one printed hello, world 14:10:47 D: 14:10:56 Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... 14:12:11 also malbolge might not even be able to run itself because it's not turing complete 14:12:24 it's not? 14:12:28 i am disappoint! 14:12:38 myname: memory limits 14:13:05 -!- asie has joined. 14:13:11 myname: it only has 3^10 memory locations that each can hold a ten-digit ternary number (wtf :P) 14:13:18 what the heck is the FT in OFTO 14:13:26 it's a nose? 14:13:32 it's a plane? 14:13:44 Smile 14:13:51 O are eyes. 14:13:58 FT is a large smile 14:14:00 http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/guest4/JAD.jpg 14:14:34 OFTO 14:14:51 I really can't make out a smile 14:14:57 draw it in paint. 14:14:58 me neither 14:15:22 It looks like half of it is cut off 14:15:25 FT 14:15:36 oh i think i see it 14:15:40 But picture a semicircle under it 14:15:44 draw it in paint. 14:15:52 i'll draw it yeah 14:16:11 (ps does anyone know some way to quickly share drawings online) 14:16:29 the imgur app? 14:16:38 (the whole, "draw it in paint, save as png, upload to somewhere" thing is really annoying) 14:16:59 ideally it'd be like an image hosting site but it has a little applet you can draw crude diagrams in 14:17:45 I have a snapshot thing that puts things on dropbox and the link to it on my clipboard 14:18:53 http://i.imgur.com/xyjCQgj.png 14:19:20 ... 14:20:02 That's it, Noodl_. 14:20:03 OFꟻO ? 14:20:07 OUO makes more sense imo 14:20:20 OUO... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... 14:20:27 °U° 14:20:51 Whoever makes a IDE or Compiler or whatever, can make OUO whatever they want. 14:21:16 or maybe OEƎO 14:21:33 <¯v¯> 14:21:38 >.> 14:23:39 M_Biohazard: can you make more complicated examples? 14:23:55 (also would having just one variable really be useful?) 14:24:12 What do you mean 'Complicated'? 14:24:21 using things like repeat? 14:24:42 Okat. 14:24:47 and waht would you use ;) for? 14:26:58 Well, I'm thinking it could be used like ;) (Add) ;) [:) :) :)] 14:27:12 :) ;) [:) :) :)] 14:27:28 So ;) Would define a number 14:28:15 -!- conehead has joined. 14:42:24 Derp 14:44:43 Yorick? 14:44:49 http://pastebin.com/TiSGPZhf 14:45:55 so that prints random numbers up to 4? 14:46:20 Yeah 14:46:28 It gets smaller and smaller. 14:46:51 ah 14:49:01 GTG 14:49:03 -!- M_Biohazard has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:51:35 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:52:18 -!- FreeFull has joined. 14:56:58 -!- impomatic has joined. 15:03:18 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 15:05:58 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:17:28 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:21:04 -!- Bike has joined. 15:32:14 -!- carado has joined. 15:35:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:48:54 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/aa432714(v=office.12).aspx I I just wow 15:49:05 I found this linked... it's... a tri-state logic with five values 15:49:14 but only two are valid? I don't even know 15:49:39 ah yeah that's a good one 15:50:32 http://threepanelsoul.com/2013/09/30/on-local-color/ also 15:51:06 is that like "hacker news: the comic" xD 15:59:57 -!- ski has joined. 16:19:58 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:20:05 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 16:28:56 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:57:03 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:58:44 -!- M_Biohazard has joined. 16:58:48 Hi. 17:00:28 ... 17:02:36 Hello? 17:05:11 Fiora, is this like true/false/filenotfound 17:05:59 I think it might be worse O_O 17:08:08 -!- augur has joined. 17:08:20 Hi, Augur. 17:10:11 ... 17:10:27 Fiora: what is "tri-state boolean value" even supposed to mean? 17:10:55 -!- Bike has joined. 17:10:55 It has, like, three states. Except, by three I mean two. 17:11:13 I I don't even know 17:11:54 Yes, No, Maybe 17:12:02 wow y'all are falling down on the job 17:12:06 `relcome M_Biohazard 17:12:10 ​M_Biohazard: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:12:26 Bike: I already `relcommed M_Biohazard :p 17:12:32 Oh, they hadn't been `*elcome'd? 17:13:18 boily: not since 16 o clock! 17:13:23 `relcome HackEgo 17:13:27 ​HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:14:22 @localtime Bike 17:14:23 Local time for Bike is Mon Sep 30 10:14:23 2013 17:14:51 codu time, codu time! 17:15:08 @localtime glogbackup 17:15:25 And.. there were no CTCP reply. :< 17:15:32 @localtime metasepia 17:15:33 Local time for metasepia is Mon Sep 30 13:15:33 EDT 2013 17:15:45 even my own bot answers CTCPes. 17:16:13 @localtime boily 17:16:13 Local time for boily is Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:16:13 -0400 17:17:49 @localtime M_Biohazard 17:17:50 Local time for M_Biohazard is Mon Sep 30 18:17:48 2013 17:18:01 @localtime lambdabot 17:18:01 I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time? 17:19:20 lambdabot? 17:19:24 lambdabot. 17:19:52 Lambbot 17:21:01 dabot. 17:21:22 I wanna learn how to code in FiM++. 17:21:53 -!- ^v has joined. 17:38:28 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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WHYYYYY??? 17:59:36 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:00:09 -!- nooodl has joined. 18:01:29 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 18:02:13 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 18:05:43 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:07:17 boily: maybe fizzie is broken 18:07:43 @tell fizzie are you broken? do you impend doom? 18:07:43 Consider it noted. 18:07:43 does it work to @tell fungot stuff? 18:07:53 @tell fungot can I tell you stuff? 18:07:53 Consider it noted. 18:07:57 olsner: we'll see. 18:10:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:16:19 boily: do you know why Roujo disappeared from #esoteric 18:19:05 nooodl: he didn't feel like he could contribute positively to the channel :( 18:21:02 -!- clog has joined. 18:22:54 Hey, neither can I but I'm here anyway 18:23:41 Why did itidus leave the channel> Why did cpressey leave the channel? Why did, I don't know, tiffany leave the channel? 18:23:52 there was a tiffany? 18:23:53 kmc scared them off 18:27:02 boily, maybe a bit before your time? 18:27:47 the only traces I have of the palæochannel are in the Quotes. I think I stumbled upon a tiffany or two in there... 18:28:22 Did you even meet itidus 18:28:43 I did. 18:28:52 (hm. apparently there aren't any tiffanies in the quotes.) 18:29:27 there are even graphes, but fizzie is broken, and I can't be assed to remember where on the intarwebs his webserver is. 18:30:14 z-something-something dot fi, I think 18:30:36 http://zem.fi/ 18:31:44 hmm, when did itidus leave? 18:32:22 `pastelogs zem.fi 18:32:44 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2957 18:33:13 nortti: fairly long time ago I think 18:33:27 a year? dunno 18:33:43 I think he was there... last week? 18:33:50 orly 18:33:57 his last msg in my logs is 2013/05/29 18:34:28 but that was really just a visit to say hi 18:34:30 oh, itidus, not nortti. 18:34:53 I think a fire alarm is happening, bbl 18:35:15 boily: nortti is here right now 18:36:31 before that, 2012/10/13 18:36:37 you didn't hear any facepalm. any reverberating sound is an audiollucination. 18:38:14 also, am I consisdered to have left the channel? 18:38:20 -!- CADD has joined. 18:39:24 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:41:39 Well, that was fun 18:47:47 "Well, that was fun" -- Taneb "atriq" Ngevd 18:48:37 `addquote "Well, that was fun" -- Taneb "atriq" Ngevd 18:48:41 1111) "Well, that was fun" -- Taneb "atriq" Ngevd 18:49:39 we're up to 1111? wooooah... 18:49:43 `pastequotes 18:49:48 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18673 18:50:58 Taneb: wow, that's a bad quote 18:51:01 why did you addquote that 18:51:14 Mostly to mess with boily's pdf 18:51:21 (in elliott's honour, that one about artificially inflating the concentration of djangoes and giraffes is not included.) 18:51:41 Taneb: continue like that, and I'll add you as a collaborator to the github repo. 18:51:57 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:52:32 I seem to be in too many channels 18:52:35 This morning my university gave me a pack including, among other things, some tic-tacs, some chocolate, and a condom 18:52:46 Taneb: in fact, as a preventive measure, you are now a conspirator. congratulations, you have full commit access. 18:52:58 If an actual person did that, I'd be confused and offended 18:53:08 are you offended by tic tacs 18:53:10 is that a github repo for the pdfwisdom? 18:53:10 well, tic tacs are great. 18:53:14 olsner: yup! 18:53:36 Bike, by that specific combination 18:53:43 reynir: who are you? were you `relcommed? do you like pulled pork sandwiches? 18:53:49 i'm not seeing the connection between chocolate and condoms 18:54:03 yes 18:54:06 boily: but https://github.com/poulet/ is empty? 18:54:15 that's not me. 18:54:28 Bike: one happens before, the other after. 18:54:54 olsner: by the way, what kind of thought process lead you to think that I'm a chicken on github??? 18:55:00 -!- reynir has left ("See you guys later"). 18:55:16 boily: because you say poulet so often 18:55:34 olsner: oh. my quit message. 18:56:02 no, I'm pfcuttle. the repo is at https://github.com/pfcuttle/wisdom. it is private. 18:56:34 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:57:21 olsner: are you simon brenner? 18:57:34 boily: it is possible 18:57:50 my github is fairly empty 18:58:28 there is haskell and assembly stuff, and it is fairly empty. I deduce that you are olsner. 18:59:25 I might actually move the rest of my assembly stuff onto github soon 19:02:06 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:14:28 -!- Tod-Autojoined2 has joined. 19:14:35 -!- Tod-Autojoined has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:16:34 @tell Taneb not yet 19:16:35 Consider it noted. 19:17:36 -!- clog has joined. 19:21:37 What is the best method for chombo penalties in mahjong? 19:22:13 zzo38: method? you mean, the amount that should be given? 19:22:54 boily: No, see http://www.reachmahjong.com/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=53165 for what I mean. 19:25:18 oh. that's a very interesting thread. 19:25:32 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:27:02 I don't know if you have concluded like I have that there is something wrong with the tournament format. 19:27:31 (Such a format would still work on a computer though) 19:28:59 at our club, in a regular game, we apply chombo full force for important errors that would disrupt the game. for minor mistakes, like bumping the wall, it's a 1000 in the riichi pile. 19:29:11 in tournament games, it's chombo all the way. 19:30:01 one of our players went to european tournaments. he hates those from the EMA who enforce kuitan nashi :D 19:30:50 I don't like kuitan nashi either. 19:31:43 a strategically placed open tanyao against someone who obviously is going to score baiman or more is histerical. 19:32:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:33:35 Yes, and when you need 2 han to win, open tanyao becomes more difficult to make, so you still have part of the consequences of kuitan nashi in a few cases. 19:36:53 In discussing different mahjong variants, someone mentioned American, which changes every year (and is otherwise extremely different from other mahjong games, but I will ignore that for what follows). Did you see my idea of one that changes continuously based on the planets? 19:37:05 the first point Kyuu makes is important if you are in a ladder. for our last local tournaments, you played (approximatively) one game against each other member. 19:37:20 score depended on your end position. 19:37:55 Yes that is important in such a format. 19:38:07 therefore, regular chomboes work, as giving points to the other players only affect a single game. 19:38:30 I think I may have to subscribe to that forum, and throw in my two cents eventually. 19:38:44 Yes, I think a single game is a format that works better (although see the rest of the thread too). 19:38:52 (or at least 5¢, as we don't have any pennies anymore...) 19:39:11 I read it, and there are some extreme measures in there! 19:39:14 I mean, yakuman??? 19:39:28 The government doesn't make pennies anymore, and they are no longer required for payment, although we still have pennies (and I still use it) 19:39:59 Well, you can see the reasoning in those measures there, even though it seem strange 19:40:01 I have a bucket of them. they are gathering dust. 19:43:13 In a tournament format based on the total scores of each player to determine ranking in the tournament, any method seems unfair for some reason. 19:43:21 Does it look that way to you too? 19:44:02 well... I like the traditional chombo, but for situations where you could continue playing with one player tsumogirying... 19:44:22 aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening! 19:46:38 giving points to the opponents is very important if their position depends on their final scores. if tournament ranking is orthogonal to match points, then giving points is less relevant. 19:46:52 -!- `^_^v has quit (Disconnected by services). 19:47:21 -!- nycs has joined. 19:51:01 Yes, and that is the kind of problems being mentioned. 19:51:37 cooool 19:51:40 i broke antichamber 19:51:57 zzo38: I'll have to discuss those matters with the other club members, if we're going to have any tournament next year. 19:52:10 Phantom_Hoover: what is an antichamber? 19:52:25 it's a crazy puzzle game 19:52:40 zzo38: by the way, any chance to have a joust between Vancouver and Montréal? 19:53:04 (feel free to replace Vancouver with whichever BC city you live in, as I couldn't really pinpoint where you come from.) 19:53:29 Phantom_Hoover: you shouldn't have said that. I don't have enough free time. 19:53:40 I am in Vancouver often enough, but I don't know how to have a joust between Vancouver and Montreal. 19:54:21 hmm... flying a whole mahjong club across the country ought to be expensive. 20:01:47 I once had a idea of some game that you cast a horoscope for the current time and place and then the positions of planets and houses and aspects and so on determines things in the rules of the game; the rules then change over time due to the planets, houses, and moon movement, and if in a moving vehicle, based on that too. What is your opinion of this kind of strange ideas? 20:02:48 I am way too tempted to try that than socially acceptable. 20:03:39 you're talking to a former nethack player. I miss having to take the moon phase into consideration in a game :D 20:04:21 Yes in this kind of game I have this idea of, the phase of the moon will be into consideration too. 20:11:38 I want to grow a bonsaï. 20:13:51 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:15:40 -!- ^v has joined. 20:20:37 -!- Bike has joined. 20:42:37 -!- carado has joined. 20:42:45 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:43:30 Phantom_Hoover: how'd you break it :o 20:43:37 (alt.: how can you tell) 20:43:46 well it crashed to desktop 20:43:52 ok i guess that's pretty clear yeah 20:44:03 you know how it fills in squares of blocks 20:44:36 well you can also fill in cubes, and if you're inside a cube when it fills in, it crashes 20:45:30 v. nice 20:56:55 -!- nisstyre has joined. 21:06:05 -!- Guest36655 has joined. 21:06:22 boily: I am doing a thing. 21:06:28 Guest36655: hi! bonjour! 21:06:37 fizzie: uhm. what kind of thing? 21:06:49 boily: The thing involves a reorganization of hardware and that kind of stuff. 21:07:21 oh. good luck with your thing, then! 21:07:37 It might be that I'm going to have to go to sleep before a fungot. (Though I'm slightly unsure why it went down; it's on a separate machine.) 21:10:36 Oh, of course, it must've been the IPv6 tunnel. 21:12:46 -!- Guest36655 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:13:26 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:13:47 -!- azaq23 has joined. 21:15:51 -!- fizzie has quit (Changing host). 21:15:51 -!- fizzie has joined. 21:17:04 I got it back online, but it's refusing to obey me because my username is nonstandard. 21:17:19 nonstandard? 21:17:37 they have spas at Aalto? 21:18:02 It has a "~htkallas" where a "fis" should be. 21:18:15 It's short for Signal Processing and Acoustics. 21:18:30 -!- fizzie has changed nick to fizziew. 21:18:50 -!- fizzie has joined. 21:18:55 I shall do it with this instead. 21:19:33 -!- fungot has joined. 21:20:13 fungot: oh hai! (and no damning my mother) 21:20:13 boily: maclisp cruft in r5rs, where it was from the us 21:24:14 http://ariya.github.io/css/spinningcube/ CSS is getting pretty powerful... 21:24:56 that is the work of a witch! CSS was never meant to be useful! 21:24:58 i'm just going to assume that loading my webpage would kill my computer. 21:25:19 (now I know where fungot drew AMICED from.) 21:25:19 boily: while loops and gotos are bad therefore loops with tail-recursion are bad? 21:25:37 fungot: tail-recursion is good. 21:25:38 boily: eye trackers track where your eyes look like? like a basic firewall problem. it's that simple. 21:26:55 fungot: of course I'd like to have a firewall if I'm wearing google glasses. 21:26:56 boily: if you just rearrange your arguments to a macro??? 21:27:06 fungot: only in the wisdom PDF. 21:28:15 kmc, the thing that scares me most about these things is that i can select the text 21:28:50 yeah 21:29:16 I mean each side of the cube can be arbitrary HTML content 21:30:46 remember when people thought it was really cool that you could run a compositing window manager and put a different window on each side of a spinning cube 21:30:49 well the browser is the compositing window manager of the future 21:31:53 i look forward to whatever system we use inside the browser that grows to take on its role 21:32:07 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:32:25 facebook, maybe. people still use facebook, right 21:33:12 imagine... four revolutions of the facebook CSS composited cube at the same time... 21:33:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 21:36:09 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Ik ga weg). 21:40:17 yeah that's the scary thing 21:40:21 Facebook really does want to replace the Web 21:40:25 I don't think they'll succeed though 21:41:08 i see kmc is a google+ pusher 21:41:18 lool 21:41:33 I bet there's some cool open source Mozilla federated social network project that I'm supposed to be pushing 21:41:53 how does federation work 21:42:00 insert star trek joke 21:42:19 today while eating at a franchise of a large chain i was wondering if you could break the management structure up more so it'd be less uniform 21:43:12 somebody in this lab just explained if/else. described as "very powerful". it's true 21:43:42 elaborate re: management? 21:44:18 oh, just like, franchises are managed from above i assume, they coordinate different menu changes and such so it's uniform across franchises 21:45:00 that's the second anamanaguchi PV I watch. didn't make sense, like the first one. 21:45:02 i was just imagining it not being quite so uniform. like the coordinator for franchises in my state uses a slightly different menu from the one in california (i suppose they might do that already) 21:45:10 menus do vary regionally yes 21:45:13 I don't know how much that's coordinated 21:45:24 there's a systems biology course this year 21:45:29 I don't understand facebook, much less google+. what are their purpose? how do they work? 21:45:32 take iiiiiit 21:45:37 it sounds interesting but i am afraid i will become Bike if i take it 21:45:47 good news, i haven't done anything in systems biology yet 21:45:48 nice, the reason lwip didn't put any source/destination address in my ethernet packets was that memcpy was broken 21:45:48 Phantom__Hoover: nah. it's biology, you can't become a Bike. 21:45:49 fast food franchises seem to be pretty uniform but other things less so 21:46:02 it pretty much worked as long as you only called it once per function 21:46:35 like there are a bunch of hardware stores in the US branded as "Ace Hardware" but they use that branding alongside some store specific branding, and they vary a lot in appearance, how things are organized, etc. 21:46:41 but apparently "it is a co-op and not a franchise" 21:46:49 ooh, that's interesting 21:47:03 is each store a co-op which independently negotiates with the rest? 21:47:23 a "retailers' cooperative" which is a different thing from a "consumers' cooperative" i.e. hippie grocery store? 21:47:28 I don't know 21:47:44 i don't know either. the only co-op i'm familiar with is one around my hometown that sells farm supplies. 21:47:50 it might be that "Ace Hardware" is effectively just a hardware store supplier 21:48:00 which does some branding in order to promote its clients 21:51:07 http://goo.gl/maps/NUras 21:51:49 kmc: does the street view concord to your version of ace hardware? 21:52:14 oui 21:52:22 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:52:47 yup, that's definitely it. 21:53:02 is "quincallerie" the translation for "hardware"? 21:53:05 hmm… I found a 3-valued boolean in the ncursesw API 21:53:30 those things crop up in all sorts of places 21:53:46 imo we should use four-valued booleans, because that's the best kind of logic 21:54:04 Bike: a «quincaillerie» is a hardware shop. 21:54:21 ah 21:55:36 Bike: nah, nine-valued booleans are where it's at 21:55:55 what are the values 21:55:57 01LHZWXU- 21:56:07 oh, lectricity 21:56:07 -? 21:56:21 actually, maybe not - 21:56:27 ¬, then? 21:56:30 I nearly always forget one 21:56:45 if it is -, it means an irrelevant value 21:56:52 like "skip" in Algol 68 21:57:03 used to work with a codebase that had distinct enums with YES/NO/MAYBE, XY_TRUE/XY_FALSE/XY_FILE_NOT_FOUND (+ all other possible error codes) *and* TRUE/FALSE 21:57:25 olsner: having FILE_NOT_FOUND in there somewhere is traditional for a multivalued boolean 21:57:47 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:59:15 happy australian mailman reminder's day! 21:59:37 olsner: O_O 21:59:41 (just in the last minute, too) 22:00:10 XY_TRUE, XX_TRUE, X0_TRUE 22:00:34 XY was just an arbitrary prefix so it doesn't conflict with normal booleans 22:00:42 ais523: it used to be that in Rust you could write "2u8 as bool" and this would give a bool that compares unequal to both true and false 22:00:45 oerjan: why the apostrophe? 22:01:02 kmc: in Perl 6, you can write "true but False" and have a bool that's like true in every way, except that it's false 22:01:08 e.g. it stringifies to "true" 22:01:16 omg 22:01:21 ais523: i only got an apostrophe wrong? that's better than expected! 22:01:26 the Rust thing was a bug; that's just perverse ;P 22:01:52 oerjan: well elliott insists on writing it as "australian mailman mailing list reminders day", but nobody else cares 22:01:57 that's worse than "0 but true" 22:02:04 kmc: it's the replacement for "0 but true" 22:02:28 we lost our australian. 22:02:38 ripidus 22:02:48 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:02:53 what does the 'but' operator do? 22:02:54 ais523: it's actually "Australian mailman mailing list memberships reminder(s) day", in full 22:03:01 elliott: right 22:03:08 olsner: it applies a mixin to an object 22:03:37 elliott: now get wikipedia to acknowledge it on the front page 22:03:56 ah yes, Wikipedia politics, my true calling. 22:04:03 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v elliott. 22:04:10 tired of having voice when nothing I say is interesting 22:04:40 :( 22:04:56 you are interesting 22:05:00 I think you can make somelike "true but False" in the other way around, in JavaScript, at least, making false into a object will be true even though it is string to "false" and so on, is other way around 22:05:31 zzo38: huh right, that would work 22:06:00 crap, what does one do as an op when someone's IRC client is rapidly connecting and disconnecting, producing lots of join/quit spam 22:06:03 elliott, what even is this thing 22:06:15 kmc: in #haskell we tempban with a redirect to ##fixyourconnection 22:06:19 how do I do that 22:06:26 kmc: You could filter them out on the client side I suppose 22:06:31 kmc: on freenode? 22:06:39 no, on Mozilla IRC 22:06:43 no clue 22:06:44 but it might be the same 22:06:53 well how do you do it on freenode B| 22:06:55 appending $##fixyourconnection to the ban is how you do it on freenode 22:06:58 k 22:07:05 but I think maybe redirects are a separate mode on some ircds and stuff? 22:07:23 we're running Unreal ircd 22:07:31 kmc: yeah, the usual response to join spam is a short ban 22:07:33 * kmc r's the f m 22:07:33 also ##fixyourconnection exists on freenode and probably not on mozilla irc 22:07:38 elliott: it doesn't have to exist 22:07:42 elliott: sure, I can join it tho :D 22:07:52 it just has to not be already in use for some other purpose 22:08:02 banishing people to a channel with only kmc in it 22:08:02 although, on Freenode, it probably has a mode set allowing anyone to redirect people to it 22:08:04 very harsh :P 22:08:29 elliott: that's some twilight zone shit 22:09:01 I have written a lot more about HWPL and removed and changed a few things I already had before, too 22:09:06 he complains to you about haskellers and programmers living in california until you fix your connectio 22:09:07 *n 22:09:16 The RAM and MUX and DEMUX commands are removed, for one 22:09:42 do i say interesting things 22:10:02 probably 22:10:14 if you're interested in molkky, definitely 22:13:39 Phantom__Hoover: http://rationality.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Bay-Area-memespace1.jpg 22:13:53 i played mölkky with kmc and Gracenotes 22:14:02 and also douglass_ but she's not in this channel 22:14:50 is this a lass by the name of doug 22:14:52 kmc, this seems sill 22:14:54 *y 22:14:56 it is 22:14:57 circumstantial evidence tends to point to the fact that people from #esoteric meeting IRL don't cause the universe to implode. 22:15:00 what is it with me and terminal characters 22:15:05 and it's not a map of memes, it's a map of community self-images 22:16:01 Phantom__Hoover: you have a terminal disorder 22:16:11 :D 22:16:15 wait 22:16:16 D: 22:16:17 -!- Bike has joined. 22:16:32 kmc: this image makes me want to set fire to san francisco ;_; 22:16:44 the newline should come _after_ the other character, you see. 22:16:54 elliott: ok just give me 48 hours notice 22:17:11 kmc, are the trains really that slow 22:17:15 please, no setting major cities (or even minor cities) on fire 22:17:27 san francisco's been on fire before! it'll be fine 22:17:28 we'll burn them and we'll damn them 22:18:35 yeah in the 1850s the city would burn down like every other week http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/fire.html 22:18:52 that's why we now have triple redundant firefighting water supplies 22:19:26 because fires tend to destroy a maximum of two water supplies? 22:19:28 every time I look at this image I find something newly upsetting in it 22:20:06 the salesperson was quite clear that doubly-redundant systems are quote for suckas endquote 22:20:40 there's the city water supply, and then there's a whole separate network of high pressure pipes just for fighting fires 22:20:51 the latter can be pumped with saltwater from the bay if the reservoirs are destroyed 22:20:58 this image that's causing pyrmoania is fucking amazing. 22:21:03 and then there are also hundreds of isolated cisterns under the streets 22:21:24 Computer Scientists -> Bayesian epistemology -> Effective Altruists 22:21:25 oh dear, the systems biology module has differential equations as a prerequisite 22:21:28 that's a bad sign 22:21:49 Frisco is now fireproof, but is it alienproof? 22:21:50 -!- mnoqy has joined. 22:21:52 is it time for me to tell phantom about turing's working on differential equations for modeling developmental systems 22:21:53 the cisterns are marked with big red brick circles so that the fire department can find them even if they're drunk, which they frequently are http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/SF-firefighter-could-face-DUI-hit-run-case-4641434.php 22:22:01 boily, yes, it was clearly designed by the ramans 22:22:12 Bike, i know, and i can never truly forgive him 22:22:17 darn. and I guess it is waterproof, too? 22:22:22 Hacker culture -> With cleverness, we can do better than establishment institutions -> Quanitified self 22:22:31 Hacker culture -> Life-hacking -> Rationalists 22:23:18 it's got some good points, though. like "LGBTQ culture" being on the other side of the map from "Respect people for what they create" 22:23:29 ;_; 22:23:34 :D 22:23:53 also people need to stop giving SF all the credit for the 60s counterculture, LGBTQ rights, etc 22:24:06 woodstock was in SF right 22:24:12 no, upstate new york 22:24:16 stonewall riots were in NYC 22:24:41 i guess i forgot that in addition to being how i joke it's also how i talk normally 22:25:01 and the most enduring effects of 60s youth protest were in the South 22:25:03 namely civil rights 22:25:18 nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 22:25:26 i was thinking the other day about the absurdity of describing Burning Man as a "counterculture event" given that it's thoroughly mainstream among the tech elite who largely control the world 22:26:02 kmc: isn't... um.... what's it called 22:26:05 SXSW something like that too? 22:26:19 I haven't heard anyone label SXSW as "counterculture" 22:26:27 probably someone has tho 22:26:30 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:26:36 in this wide and wonderful world 22:26:37 (I still dont understand what it is though? except that like hipstery people talk about it) 22:26:43 kmc: it's culture among those who count, right? 22:26:43 i think it has music? 22:26:57 SXSW: homeless wifi spots and also I guess a lot of bands?? 22:27:02 it's a combination art/music festival and startup demo convention 22:27:04 for some reason 22:27:05 -!- azaq231 has joined. 22:27:07 I think the latter kind of ate the former 22:27:17 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 22:27:20 i only know it from jwz, who mostly talks about the bands 22:27:30 anyway getting naked and high in the desert doesn't make you a rebel, as much as I enjoy this activity 22:27:59 I'd like to see kmc and jwz complain about things together 22:28:21 lol 22:28:26 he'd probably hate me 22:28:46 I think he's sick of nerds who only know about his nightclub for nerdy things 22:28:50 `addquote anyway getting naked and high in the desert doesn't make you a rebel, as much as I enjoy this activity 22:28:52 as it happens I don't give a shit about industrial music 22:28:57 1112) anyway getting naked and high in the desert doesn't make you a rebel, as much as I enjoy this activity 22:29:00 oerjan: I was going to addquote that too 22:29:07 except I'd be less sure about it 22:29:20 i don't share much music taste with jwz either, lol. 22:29:29 like, I tend to be the sort of person who soul-searches and then asks permission, before adding a quote 22:29:32 (except for the rez soundtrack, inexplicably) 22:29:32 do you like... secretly know jwz personally, or something? 22:29:41 pff no 22:29:50 also, <3 rez 22:29:54 music is like half the content of his blog is all 22:29:56 23:29:29 like, I tend to be the sort of person who soul-searches and then asks permission, before adding a quote 22:29:57 is rez the vibrator game 22:29:59 23:28:14 should i `addquote kmc or not 22:30:03 rez is the vibrator game. 22:30:27 my soul services are available free of charge 22:30:33 elliott: hey, just because I soul-search and ask permission before adding a quote doesn't mean oerjan doesn't too :) 22:30:41 Bike: surely there's more than one by now 22:30:43 binary soul-search 22:31:20 kmc: a while ago i was looking at a teledildonics company's site actually. everything was super straightforward and it didn't use the term "teledildonics" so i think that means it's mainstream now. 22:31:38 okay 22:32:09 Bike: I think they're marketing at people who don't already know what it is 22:32:43 probably. it was pretty straightforward, just linked dildos and, uh, i forget what you call the ones for dicks 22:32:49 Bike: my friend works for a hardware startup and can't tell me what they do, but I've decided (and successfully convinced others) that it must be Android-powered cock rings 22:33:02 > logBase 2 7000000000 22:33:03 32.70470777604387 22:33:09 i admit that i don't really know what cock rings are for or why they would be powered. 22:33:36 iirc they constrict bloodflow to allow one to maintain an erection better 22:33:41 they're a ring on a cock, what do they sound like 22:33:43 not gonna double check that while I'm at work 22:33:46 oh. that's pretty clever. 22:33:55 They aren't very comfortable 22:33:56 it's scary :( 22:33:59 "i can't look them up, but speculating at work is okay" 22:34:26 I think kmc's explanations here are consistent with the typical superficial NSFW restrictions that most employers use 22:34:51 they need to go deeper 22:34:59 the text on my screen is pretty hard to read from a distance 22:35:26 -!- CADD has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:35:39 at Folsom Street Fair i saw a naked guy with a rubber tail coming out of his butt (presumably attached to a plug) 22:36:05 kmc: you could use the fake terminal I wrote recently, before I implemented fonts 22:36:06 that sounds entirely normal for folsom 22:36:11 it was pretty cute 22:36:13 it went and rendered all characters the same way 22:36:19 thus it was impossible to read the text at any different 22:36:24 *any distance 22:36:30 Phantom__Hoover: on special occasions yes 22:36:35 it was quite hard to play NetHack like that, I had to go on the color 22:36:44 I bike to work on Folsom St. every day and I haven't seen this any other time of year... 22:37:04 -_- 22:38:28 wat, the coop sent me membership savings coupons and 3 of them are for specific foodstuffs i actually buy regularly 22:38:35 they're watching you 22:39:36 i suppose it's _possible_ they actually do that, although i doubt they can afford the printing of separate coupon sets for every single member 22:41:00 oerjan: they probably sent them on the foodstuffs that are most commonly bought 22:41:09 quite likely. 22:41:10 things that you buy often are probably also bought often by other people 22:41:36 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 22:45:24 hm or wait 22:46:26 it _is_ printed separately. the sheet has my name on it in two different places. 22:46:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:49:11 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Not poulet, for once!). 22:49:15 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:50:25 oh there it says in small print that they're actually doing it 22:52:35 I haven't been to DNA Lounge but I have been to DNA Pizza 22:52:38 mystery (dis)solved 22:53:11 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:53:35 There was that story about Target's automated data analysis sending ads of baby stuff to someone, and her father being all "She's still in high school, and you're sending her coupons for baby clothes and cribs? Are you trying to encourage her to get pregnant?" and it turned out his daughter was in fact pregnant, he just didn't know. 22:53:52 But the data miners, they know. 22:54:08 "But it's too late. I've seen everything." 22:54:15 was the pizza good 22:54:25 Bike: it was a'ight 22:54:31 cost way too much tho 22:54:36 aw 22:56:42 fizziew: i just realized this is another proof i am old :( 22:57:00 thinking this couldn't be possible 22:57:28 amazon has very much figured out what games I like 22:57:49 "new for you: etrian odyssey untold: the millenium girl, hakuoki: memories of the shinsengumi" 22:58:11 Fiora: not finding out, but bothering to print and mail individual paper ads and expect to make a profit doing so 22:58:35 *individualized 22:58:59 "tales of xillia, shin megami tensei 4, final fantasy X/X-2 HD, pandora's tower, golden sun: dark dawn, tales of symphonia chronicles" their recommendations are scary good 22:59:23 Classy taste. 22:59:31 amazon still thinks i really want to read Beats. 22:59:39 (that's the top 8, like, I didn't even omit any) 22:59:46 * pikhq_ def looks forward to FFX HD 22:59:54 oh cool. it even lets you tell it what things you don't want, or already own 23:00:23 "Tales of Xillia - Recommended because you purchased Sweet Fuse: At Your Side w/Pre order bonus - Sony PSP" // how does this work 23:00:51 the "because you purchased" things probably oversimplify a lot 23:01:05 yeah. also wow I own like 5 of the things on their recommendation list xD 23:01:18 though i don't think "girly VN -> another tales of game" is too hard a conclusion!! 23:02:28 is there a way to use Amazon's recommendation engine to decide what to buy a friend as a gift 23:02:31 that'd be pretty cool 23:02:33 just put in stuff I know they have 23:02:55 kmc: you could try going onto a temporary profile, and looking at all the stuff you know they have 23:03:01 and hoping their adverts system picks up on it 23:03:02 Fiora: does it make a distinction between "i own this and i liked it" and "i own this but only because someone had the bad sense of giving it as a present"? 23:03:12 i could buy it all and then cancel within 30 min >_> 23:03:20 fizziew: are you the wchar_t version of fizzie? 23:03:27 I think you can set it up to let other people see your recommendations and such 23:04:32 oerjan: you can remove something from your "owned" list if you don't want it to apply to your recommendations 23:04:38 amazon lets you manage everything, I think 23:04:39 http://www.amazon.com/gp/betterizer ah, hm... 23:05:30 this is all reminding me that my Izhikevich hasn't arrived yet. you jerks. 23:06:12 * Fiora finds ar tonelico on the "recommendations" list and carefully throws it into an ocean trench 23:06:41 No, I think that would be wfizzie instead. 23:07:42 Or FizzieWExLawlICantBelieveThisIsHowWindowsNamesShit on Win32. 23:08:34 FizzieA and FizzieW, for the "ANSI" and "wide" fizzies. 23:09:04 i'm imagining disposing of some radioactive waste into a trench carefully just so that it doesn't get caught on the sid eor soething 23:09:35 ah yes the famous character encoding "ANSI" 23:09:58 -!- ^v has joined. 23:11:05 kmc: just call it windows-1252 23:11:08 like everyone else does 23:11:38 Windows has done more to hurt understanding of character sets than anything else... 23:12:03 the great thing is that on the Web you can call it "ASCII", "iso8859-1", or "latin1" and that still means Windows-1252 23:12:06 http://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/ 23:12:10 I mean, seriously, "ANSI" for legacy charsets, "OEM" for still-older legacy charsets, and "Unicode" for UTF-16LE? 23:12:41 and not actually UTF16 / Unicode either, right? I mean I think a lot of those APIs will do the wrong thing with surrogate code units 23:12:51 the Web does :( 23:13:33 'FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR' (U+00AA) is a strangely named character 23:14:56 pikhq_: yeah, what the fuck 23:14:59 why LE, especially 23:15:06 why the fuck does *anyone* do *anything* in LE 23:15:14 x86. :) 23:15:21 pikhq_: that is not a reason 23:15:25 not just x86 but almost every architecture still in wide use 23:15:43 Actually, yeah, pretty much all the BE stuff is either obscure or dead. 23:15:50 the cool architectures let you specify endianness per page 23:16:01 kmc: is it a superscript a ? 23:16:04 oh wait 23:16:07 oerjan: with a line under it yeah 23:16:13 am I mixing up big and little again 23:16:18 I remember LE has that nice little bit where accessing some variable in memory gives the same value no matter the size of the data type, I think? 23:16:25 like, since the low byte is always the low byte 23:16:30 kmc: that fits for some romance languages, at least 23:16:33 yes I am 23:16:35 nvm 23:16:37 BE is the sane one 23:16:48 oerjan: yeah; it still seems like the wrong level on which to describe the character 23:16:52 but i'm not like, a character expert 23:17:03 little endian is the correct one <_< 23:17:10 err YES THAT 23:17:11 FUCK 23:17:16 IMA GO CRY NOW 23:17:19 :( 23:17:22 * kmc hugs coppro ? 23:17:26 * coppro hugs back 23:17:26 there are very few reasons to go with either 23:17:27 kmc: are you of good moral character 23:17:29 the best part of 'endian' is the etymology. 23:17:30 Fiora: you could argue that big endian is better because you can "drop precision" 23:17:32 shachaf: yes. 23:17:33 shachaf: who wants to know 23:17:34 shachaf: he hugged me 23:17:36 by ignoring the less significant bits 23:17:41 which is why LE is probably a better choice because there's at least one minorish reason to go with that 23:17:53 elliott: that assumes that the variable is a fixedpoint in the range 0 to 1 23:17:54 BE is better since it's what we humans use 23:18:07 Fiora: like, the dual of what you get with ignoring the rest of the bits with little endian 23:18:13 those aren't very common, but when they are used, BE would arguably be better 23:18:18 elliott: that makes sense 23:18:20 AND BY BE I MEAN LE 23:18:26 but what little endian gets you is probably much more useful than that 23:18:30 like, the question is "are you using this data type because the entire range matters", or "are you using this data type because it has sufficient range"? 23:18:58 "An encoder encoder's error algorithm takes a code point c and is as follows... Otherwise, if encoder's error handling mode is URL, emit byte 0x3F." 23:19:27 also little endian fits the structure of how you write successor/addition/etc. stuff recursively on a list-of-bits data type >_> 23:19:35 kmc: is that ... an elision, or was it like that in the original quote? 23:19:39 kmc: DoD 23:19:43 elliott: but /division/ you'd do bigendianly 23:19:45 an elision 23:19:49 shachaf: probably not then 23:20:04 kmc: did you see http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/ 23:20:20 no 23:20:21 creepy 23:21:03 "Applicant did not file his federal income tax returns in a timely manner for the tax years 2003 through 2009 nor did he pay taxes for those years. Additionally, he used marijuana from 1998 to 2008 and cocaine from 1998 to 2000. Applicant has rebutted or mitigated the security concerns under financial considerations and drug involvement. Clearance is granted. " 23:21:04 this is... something, shachaf. 23:21:18 two years spent doing nothing but cocaine 24/7 23:22:23 "Although the Applicant has been found not to be a pedophile by his treating Psychiatrist," great way to start a sentence 23:22:52 holy hell 23:22:54 kmc: you could say that about basically anyone who has a psychiatrist 23:23:08 what 23:23:13 I think "found not to be a pedophile" is different from "not found to be a pedophile" 23:23:21 I guess, it's stronger 23:23:23 and more favourable 23:23:25 oh are you doing that "read things in a weird 'logical' way instead of a remotely reasonable way" thing 23:23:39 it's a difference of kind not just of degree 23:23:47 kmc: I meant logically stronger 23:23:52 an affirmative action "find" versus lack of action 23:24:03 right... 23:24:07 > chr $ 0x3f 23:24:07 '?' 23:24:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:24:48 "x-user-defined" best character encoding??? 23:25:03 -!- augur has joined. 23:25:16 kmc: what's the encoding name for "direct to character ROM"? 23:25:21 hehe 23:25:43 (I was vaguely sad to discover that Linux had decided to officially reinterpret that code as "code page 437" and not update the docs, although it made my life rather easier writing libuncursed) 23:27:09 apparently "x-user-defined" is extended ASCII where the high-bit bytes map to the Unicode Pick Up Artist^W^W^W Private Use Area at 0xF780 23:27:27 probably for lack of anything better to map them to 23:27:41 ok can anyone explain how to interpreted that OFTO smiley in the logs 23:27:42 hmm, dual citizens can't get security clearance in the us without relinquishing their foreign passport? 23:28:10 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:28:23 kmc: Linux officially mapped Klingon onto the Private Use Area 23:28:32 apparently, because it got rejected by the Unicode Consortium 23:28:35 ah and you use it when you want to transfer binary data, because if you say "latin-1" then it's actually Windows-1252 #fml #burndowntheweb 23:29:05 isn't that application/octet-stream? 23:29:15 like, if you're transferring binary data 23:29:28 not only are the characters from 0x80 upwards undefined, the characters from 0x7F downwards are too 23:29:34 maybe octet-stream is also an alias for Windows-1252 23:29:35 I don't know, but there's some case where one needs this 23:29:36 ais523: To be fair, there's at least a conscript registry "standardizing" the mapping of the PUA? 23:29:46 pikhq_: I think so 23:29:52 i recall from way back that the conlanging community tried to divide up the private use area for conlangs. don't know if that stuck. 23:30:00 at least, the Linux kernel devs are apparently in communication with them 23:30:04 or were when they wrote the docs 23:30:08 and they arranged to avoid clashes 23:30:16 http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/ Presumably that. 23:30:46 that was it 23:31:07 "With the exception of his child support arrearage, he took no significant steps to resolve his debts until he learned [that] his debts were an impediment to obtaining a public trust position." 23:33:22 Was Einstein panendeist? 23:34:42 zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein%27s_religious_views 23:35:04 www.waseinsteinpanendeist.com 23:35:32 looks like german when you smoosh it all together like that 23:36:42 kmc: At least the "Einstein" part does, I suppose 23:37:05 ;P 23:37:44 Zzo38%27s_religious_views 23:38:11 is the "z" capitalized 23:38:26 Zzo%33%38 23:38:52 Bike: wikipedia always capitalizes. 23:39:02 Bike: In a Wikipedia article title it will be. 23:39:02 does it really 23:39:10 yes. 23:39:19 (Although there is a command to make it display in lowercase, the filename is capitzlied.) 23:39:23 that's gotta get weird for other languages 23:39:26 oh, filename. 23:39:46 I agree with Einstein that "the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously". 23:39:58 Bike: well, the english wikipedia. there's a setting and wiktionary goes the other way. 23:41:06 Furthermore, "the Bible [is] a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends". 23:41:32 honourable and/or horrifyingly fucked up 23:41:55 Yes, that too I suppose 23:42:17 It is probably also "horrifyingly fucked up" 23:42:38 `addquote It is probably also "horrifyingly fucked up" 23:42:42 1113) It is probably also "horrifyingly fucked up" 23:45:44 I agree about "His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws", but unlike Einstein I do not believe these laws to be deterministic (although I cannot be sure of this). 23:46:26 maybe it was ruled by wishful thinking until someone made a really lousy wish 23:48:40 oerjan: Sure, but I don't think so. I am thinking that things "outside of the universe" are also outside of spacetime, which also includes time. But I suppose how you say could be an analogy, because, the universe (and multiverse and whatever, if any) must be *something*, otherwise it would be nothing. You could call that a wish if you wanted to, I suppose, because there is nothing else to call it, but that doesn't make it correct. 23:49:08 It is a weird: my tar is reading this "Kingston elite pro 133X" CF card (over an USB 2.0 card reader) at approximately 100 kilobytes per second. 23:49:11 It is sort of a shame, because there is 1.7 gigabytes to read. 23:49:18 i meant what i said entirely literally. 23:49:29 fizzie: 17000 seconds isn't /that/ long, is it? 23:49:35 that doesn't mean i think it's true, but that's how i meant it. 23:50:07 Some other book described the existence as: They didn't know if there should be something or nothing, so they toss a coin to see, but that requires that there is a coin to toss, therefore existence is necessary. This is also a kind of analogy, for the similar kind of thing, I suppose. 23:50:42 zzo38: sounds similar to cogito ergo sum 23:50:49 `frink 17000 seconds -> days 23:50:49 ais523: It can be, if you wanted to get it done before sleeping but are very tired. (The card reader slurps at least a megabyte or two per second from the SD cards the camera uses, so I don't understand why it is being so slow.) 23:50:58 85/432 (approx. 0.19675925925925927) 23:51:04 `frink 17000 seconds -> hours 23:51:11 85/18 (approx. 4.722222222222222) 23:51:32 oerjan: Yes, sort of like that, but that isn't really quite like what I meant, either. 23:55:31 -!- augur has joined. 23:57:46 -!- azaq231 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out).