< 1381709116 407273 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thats it < 1381711330 984259 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381711930 800712 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381712151 190827 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381715119 963373 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381715636 480037 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-214.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381717698 872212 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:85be:3cd3:e932:910b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381717728 955750 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:85be:3cd3:e932:910b JOIN :#esoteric < 1381717997 64809 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381718819 613335 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to leave now i will try my luck again tomorrow, thanks anyways guys < 1381718820 656715 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb < 1381718826 630279 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1381718973 602377 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381719061 824115 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381720897 757512 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381723246 900219 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381723838 352237 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:85be:3cd3:e932:910b QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381726791 113107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381729208 201381 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1381729334 495823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The control scheme in the Apogee games "Pharaoh's Tomb" and "Arctic Adventure" is something I didn't see in other platformer games and is the control scheme I happen to prefer: left/right shift keys to move left/right, space jumps, and any of ZXCVBNM,./ shoots. < 1381730005 426433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like someone is making a NES/Famicom game entirely in hex coding!!!! < 1381731375 830408 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381732477 290109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1381733936 195239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide" :) < 1381734256 26441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means what? < 1381734387 827759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> echo roodkcableoj28840ybtide | rev < 1381734389 258213 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:30: parse error on input `|' < 1381734395 776047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo roodkcableoj28840ybtide | rev < 1381734405 932277 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :editby04882joelbackdoor < 1381734406 949112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDZhB 24 664 NAYeMNICA 34 21 29 93 priyom < 1381734421 309050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: O_O < 1381734451 493787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that wrinkle of it < 1381734473 423479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if 04882 is joel's bank code < 1381734533 401911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a version control revision number. < 1381734537 81769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What version control?") < 1381734553 594734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a backdoor recently published in D-Link routers. It lets you access the web config interface if you give a HTTP User-Agent with that string. < 1381734613 977907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently it's intended purpose is to let some tools on the router change settings.) < 1381734672 110461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe an employee ID or something. < 1381734683 878049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Joel's user account is 04882joel. < 1381734748 696618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the influence of illuminati numerology is obvious < 1381734760 75001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most obvious in the fact that it doesn't contain any of the usual illuminati numbers < 1381734799 207769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are usual illuminati numbers, and what does that have anything to do with it? < 1381734807 98535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17, 23, 5, etc < 1381734830 178588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, little to nothing < 1381734833 714946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the illuminati wanted to hide their influence they wouldn't include any of the usual numbers. c'mon zzo get with it < 1381734891 781257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I suppose you are correct about that, but if you really want to hide your influence then, if the numbers happen to occur naturally anyways then you would use them anyways just because it goes that way < 1381734913 446203 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the illuminati numbers are in it you know the illuminati did it. < 1381734968 990724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily. < 1381734986 52424 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the illuminati numbers be in it if not for the illuminati < 1381735017 416645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they want you to think! < 1381735046 991736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was what they wanted me to think they would hav eput the numbers somewhere in the think but they didn't so they didn't. < 1381735050 112250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "NAYeMNICA" means "mercenary" < 1381735075 772082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be funny if the numbers station codebook happened to pick 'mercenary' as the code word for 'mercenary' and they had to use it anyway because what zzo38 said < 1381735101 47168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I mean *that* is what they want you to think. < 1381735103 815545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how they broke enigma after all < 1381735111 564114 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right and that doesn't have any numbers in it < 1381735156 622636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the CIA's CORONA satellites were done in by (coincidentally named) corona discharge < 1381735173 407967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you mean the fact that it never mapped a letter to itself? yeah that was useful < 1381735216 699042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if you can attribute breaking enigma to that one thing though < 1381735225 446032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third reich HATES this 1 weird old trick for winning world war 2 < 1381735251 716080 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, but i hav eto demonstrate that i know irrelevant facts about seventy year old ciphers somehow < 1381735264 680520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think it needs to have numbers in it...... < 1381735275 872556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily....... < 1381735281 571070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the polish intelligence agency was reading enigma traffic before it was cool < 1381735362 475855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enigma Traffic" is probably a band name. < 1381735406 403265 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a town called Enigma in georgia < 1381735439 445084 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell you this because googling "Enigma Traffic" will find you some lawyers for dealing with traffic tickets in this town < 1381735498 681127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those NSA code names are p. funny too. (EGOISTICALGIRAFFE?) < 1381735515 107111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's missing a T. < 1381735523 624855 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what they want you to think. < 1381735527 973351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egotesticlegiraffe < 1381735618 280058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading some Clancy novel "Way Back" -- hey, you go with what's available -- where they (people at CIA) called some guy downstairs for random names out of a random-name machine. < 1381735624 442794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you will misspell it < 1381735657 634310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's how it works for reals. < 1381735669 424368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was back in the seventies. < 1381735702 88552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes. < 1381735714 588211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the codename for the FBI was "ODENVY" which sounds slightly less than coincidental. < 1381735731 288002 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... ODYOKE for the US federal government, that's slightly terrifying. < 1381735745 759205 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1381735749 801764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ “That’s next.” Moore lifted his phone again and tapped in five numbers. “I need two words…Uh-huh, thank you.” He wrote a few things down. “Okay, gentlemen, you’re calling this Operation MANDOLIN. You, Ryan, are Magi. ]] < 1381735751 347811 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about the ETA was LINCOLN though. < 1381735773 153459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do it on purpose; they don't want other people to spell it correctly. < 1381735827 229608 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-214.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381735838 208291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is nice that I have some brainspace apparently permanently wasted storing the bit of information that the random word they got in a book I read 15-20 years ago was MANDOLIN. < 1381735893 225422 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, mandolins are great. < 1381736755 354558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All opponent's pokemon card are futile. < 1381736915 450463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1381737730 169021 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now a bit of my brainspace is wasted storing info about fizzie's random word! :-/ < 1381737746 821836 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, most of my brainspace is wasted :-) < 1381737814 132059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1381738184 622643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Another idea is some game that you have to prevent all of the magnets from touching each other; I am unsure how to make such a computer game though <-- tatham's collection also has a "magnets" game, although the point there is you can only touch + sides to - sides. < 1381738251 467284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're marked with + and - instead of N and S, for some reason.) < 1381738741 349021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33:00: Some people[citation needed][who?][dubious - discuss] are very... ardent about org-mode. < 1381738744 335896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33:53: isn't it [weasel words] more than [citation needed] < 1381738761 346974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{who?}} is a weasel words template afair < 1381738811 816743 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to check his favourite pages on Wikipedia < 1381738879 104846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided to delete Irregular Webcomic! too :( < 1381739803 464009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381740008 766031 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381740206 168517 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381740451 208296 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381740523 79581 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381740756 39325 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381741540 158995 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1381741601 971919 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381741787 829217 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381742248 756368 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-214.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381742494 693438 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381743871 148465 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381743872 38949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* my theory about girl genius was right < 1381743900 643957 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1381744973 279341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (That )S(that ):S(is )::SS~::SS~:(not )*:SS:S~S(it ):SSS < 1381744973 462439 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That that is is that that is not is not is that it it is < 1381745211 169396 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381745519 200260 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1381745828 715549 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381746057 237087 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381747446 855312 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381747607 621992 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Apple II fans here? < 1381747724 7908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "Apple ][" hth < 1381747741 466419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most unbalanced-parenthesisy of computers. < 1381747764 996815 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381748028 628641 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381748423 808740 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1381748543 611248 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381748561 578792 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1381748901 579477 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381749312 314809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1381749795 349703 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381750219 199904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Cutwail botnet is known as "0bulk Psyche Evolution" in the underground market." < 1381750222 640965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds so sci-fi. < 1381751047 438963 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a cool botnet, I wouldn't call it Cutwail. < 1381751148 156100 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381751156 487108 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I audition for Iolanthe < 1381751342 169136 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1381751421 587353 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An operetta about the queen of the fairies and the house of lords < 1381751574 59973 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is it is about someone who is the queen of the fairies < 1381751587 624922 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And her interactions with the British House of Lords < 1381751592 690756 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a comedy < 1381751970 800397 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1381752448 538489 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz... < 1381760958 151763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381762147 1152 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381762260 730632 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381762268 152668 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your opinion re. spam? < 1381762268 536696 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: adding a language to be in boundary(a) if every neighbourhood about x contains at least an initial fnord of 40 fnord. internet expo on fnord. fnord < 1381762287 597902 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1381762393 134718 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381762885 477990 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381763048 729477 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381763751 721715 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381764419 859364 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1381764781 534845 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c NICK :jacob1 < 1381764795 207373 :jacob1!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c NICK :^v < 1381765323 862498 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381766043 973258 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381766988 851200 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381767050 662281 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1381768191 981080 NAMES :#esoteric < 1381768236 941317 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381768268 99601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :Yogi_Bear*!*@* > 1381768268 118117 NAMES :#esoteric < 1381768275 680036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1381768275 702258 NAMES :#esoteric < 1381768286 240176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /whowas list was impressive < 1381769382 173629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You sound just like a real mathematician. < 1381769382 474668 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know about windoz is less then 1/ 3; 2/ 7 then 1/ 2; 1/ 4 cup milk, 1/ 3 < 1381769389 199023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1381769412 317265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: mathematics isn't just arithmetic, you know < 1381769412 675701 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whats that? sure :) i'll think about it. :) actually, i can't run my own mx with dreamhost, that's all < 1381769598 406505 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381769770 179125 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381770408 633448 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381770837 801784 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381771019 229551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131014-4679.png I can't figure out if it's *supposed* to look like that. Maybe it is. < 1381771022 374669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1381771120 973516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the graph snagged on the rotating database < 1381771132 111803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it cannot take the load < 1381771183 816200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://ikeaordeath.com/ < 1381771205 629468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (924) < 1381771210 56194 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (924): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1381771210 721890 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381771217 738455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about http://sprunge.us/hbUQ but I think it's just Skype futilely trying to punch through a NAT or something, based on the source address. < 1381771348 529849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it was so easy until i got "samspelt" < 1381771366 868952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the first word that was both genuine swedish and related to music) < 1381771390 628594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that right, though mostly accidentally. < 1381771393 119210 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1381771398 666188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't really sound "heavy" enough to be the other. < 1381771416 643377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lack" is the table i have, i think < 1381771417 847473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing at least some Swedish probably makes it easier than not knowing. < 1381771439 533481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LACK is a pretty popular series. < 1381771459 28960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i also got "Von" wrong < 1381771462 658070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just a side table, there's also a TV stand and a wall shelf and whatnot. < 1381771469 336667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 out of 20 < 1381771482 290910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 17. < 1381771490 720894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a better IKEA. < 1381771522 708843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was very unsure on that too. "Von" means hope in nynorsk, but also is an obvious german name prefix. < 1381771539 406172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was not sure if it meant something in swedish. < 1381771580 470854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some others that i were nervous about, but they all went right < 1381771585 109057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1381771602 323655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had more trouble in the start, then I got in the "groove" and just clicked. < 1381771663 39521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just went with whether it's a valid swedish word < 1381771742 547452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all IKEA names are exact valid Swedish words. < 1381771787 641443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, some are place names from other parts of scandinavia < 1381771828 856034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in ikea last time i noticed "Hemnes", which is where my aunt used to live. < 1381771864 267703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some Finnish names in there. < 1381771872 496364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PELLO is a municipality in Finland. < 1381771888 797757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently there's one also on Sweden's side too. < 1381771896 850616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, there was one in the quiz which i was nervous whether it could be a finnish place name, but i guess metal and was right. < 1381771902 979895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opposite to Pello, Finland across the river.) < 1381771911 393341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guessed < 1381771921 589976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one was that? < 1381771934 731963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i forget but it had a double vowel < 1381771958 314995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAAKE? < 1381771960 747108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381771977 71882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a place. It doesn't quite sound Finnish. < 1381771977 546485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that's not very good vowel harmony < 1381771994 197221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's acceptable ('e' goes with front vowels too), but it feels somewhat off. < 1381772000 325102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, so do some actual places too. < 1381772077 959863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's probably the archaic spelling of no:tåke = en:fog < 1381772108 35483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is related to that, according to the Wikipedia page of the metal band. < 1381772128 286850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i found that < 1381772207 227256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure that "oe" for "ø" is proper archaic spelling :D < 1381772239 640594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the band seems to use that a lot < 1381772418 179290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went through Ekenäs the other day, that's such a Swedish-speaking place. < 1381772425 991588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The town is bilingual, with the majority being Swedish speakers (81%), and the minority Finnish speakers (17%)." < 1381772452 279932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse (or better, I guess that depends on point of view) than Hanko even though geographi-logically speaking it should be the other way around. < 1381772756 61818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, also. < 1381772808 761847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131014-thing.jpg -- that was in Ekenäs. Can someone of you decipher what it means? < 1381773009 738587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"now it's time to make a memory picture of your (still hot) summer ..." um < 1381773036 776631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the words seems to make sense in itself, but I am unable to sort of comprehend the whole. < 1381773038 692310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite sure how to translate jag. and then it gets worse. < 1381773052 287985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1381773063 46932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's swedish, so "I" (or "Ego") < 1381773090 608721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Comments from a native Swedishperson? < 1381773105 710396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this thing was put up by a Swedish-speaking Finn, which is quite another thing altogether. < 1381773155 80623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the _overall_ gist is "Make sure to remember how your summer is, it'll make it easier to survive the winter." < 1381773176 674316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's more or less what I got out of it too. < 1381773182 604737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ridiculously pompously technobabbly expanded :P < 1381773231 363467 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"referenspunkter" < 1381773232 32599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was next (nearly next) to a mini-golf course that had a "closed due to lack of players" on it. < 1381773247 305257 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's got something to do about computer science < 1381773255 649499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: that's "reference points" < 1381773267 984898 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I take your word for it?? < 1381773272 871416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1381773278 975131 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1381773314 157583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Add the word "sign" to some suitable place in the preceding.) < 1381773317 484601 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that about global warming? < 1381773343 560858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more about how winter is too cold up here. :p < 1381773354 916713 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1381773375 939236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: no. it's about how in finland your general well-being and mood strongly varies according to season, and how to help that some. (this also applies to norway.) < 1381773383 282650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. leftmost picture about the social wellbeing as a function of the season. < 1381773403 550508 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhh < 1381773411 324274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Winter is on the left side.) < 1381773418 742740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what scale it's calibrated on. < 1381773545 318638 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1381773586 781291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381773597 597087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be a 0-5 scale < 1381773619 269338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, the outer border has a value of 1, based on the <--> in the first image. < 1381773622 576702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I note that in the last figure it goes briefly over 1, which doesn't sound necessarily all too good either.) < 1381773645 633998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also written in slightly archaic swedish .. but maybe that's just normal finnishswedish < 1381773689 368120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's very normal. < 1381773743 381657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131014-hatler.jpg < 1381773780 987298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aito perus? < 1381773815 765870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think it's referring to "perussuomalaiset", our populist-nationalist party. < 1381773839 29323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"True Finns", vaguely translated. < 1381773861 238229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"perus" meaning mostly "basic, elementary" and so on. < 1381773871 684834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "aito" meaning "genuine, real".) < 1381773931 416961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they're terribly popular in the region. < 1381773975 554767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a couple days norway's populist-nationalist party (who like to deny they're as bad as those of some other countries) is getting into government. < 1381773996 234960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be interesting. < 1381774020 439075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish one got 19.05% of the vote in the parliamentary election of 2011. < 1381774079 998863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they did not get into the government, though the negotiations were complicated, IIRC. < 1381774167 963246 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381774185 921380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it took a long time (and six parties) to form it. < 1381774226 845782 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381774247 939345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ours ended up with only two parties, but two others supporting it, and not joining because they don't want to be _too_ associated with the formerly mentioned populist party. < 1381774249 348600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, their score in Ekenäs (corresponding to that overall 19.05% figure) was just 6.4%. < 1381774333 279612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling Perussuomalaiset has been sort of slowly losing ground since that 19% win. Though it's not like I've been following any polls or anything. < 1381774377 481385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our parliament only has sev... no wait, the greens got their single representative. our parliament has eight parties. < 1381774442 50827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have a single green party representative in the UK parliament too < 1381774444 586308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have 8. Plus the mandatory single representative from Åland, which I think is not in any of those. < 1381774446 224712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is notable because it's FPTP < 1381774451 572082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 parties, that is. < 1381774452 168142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting as many as six of them to agree would be very unlikely. < 1381774453 958419 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :House of Commons has 11 < 1381774466 47037 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus 5-9 independents < 1381774471 999806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 representatives from the Green League. < 1381774474 880902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fancy name.) < 1381774475 156822 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it feels like our parliament has two parties < 1381774476 867469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, they had to put their best candidate into the constituency they thought had the best chance of winning, and campaign really massively < 1381774480 92798 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinn Fein as a rule don't take their seats < 1381774482 886915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down from 15 mostly due to Perussuomalaiset. < 1381774502 298108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they refuse to swear allegiance to the Queen, or something like that < 1381774506 975241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not allowed in < 1381774514 363357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oi, i played another year of that fortress < 1381774520 525554 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1381774534 676423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allegiance requirement seems a little ridiculous, really < 1381774538 30349 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, pass it to elliott, maybe? < 1381774546 295221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he said he wants to ply < 1381774547 765341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*play < 1381774557 755759 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, idk, but it's kind of traditional < 1381774572 837380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greens were _hoping_ for more, but they got slightly below the necessary cutoff to get fully proportional representation country-wide. < 1381774583 950406 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Can you tell Phantom_Hoover whether you want to join in this succession fortress? < 1381774584 96195 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1381774632 396721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that, they have to win in a single county, which is not as hard as fptp but still much worse than getting above the cutoff. < 1381774661 106994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, not win, but get among that county's directly selected representatives) < 1381774678 688346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptp? < 1381774683 714819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other parties made the cutoff, although some barely. < 1381774694 898361 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: first past the post. < 1381774700 205932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: first past the post, the system used in the UK and US. < 1381774706 130725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1381774715 343173 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system usually results in a two-party system. < 1381774797 969786 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think the US uses an even stupider system, but I'm not sure < 1381774825 837829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a set of 15 electoral districts too, and I think it's fully independent of all the other organizational hierarchies. (I believe it's more or less based on the old notion of "provinces", but those were reduced to six in 1997, and abolished entirely in 2010 and replaced with some other subdivisions, like the "regional state administrative agencies".) < 1381774826 488561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the US's system is theoretically slightly better than the UK's, but the political makeup makes it work worse < 1381774828 417915 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean te electoral college? that's just something before the fptp < 1381774838 144849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure there is a good reason for all this.) < 1381774867 911572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be noted that Austrialia has preference voting and is a strongly two-party country < 1381774874 572098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so btw while we're talking about voting systems, i'm a bit confused by arrow's theorem < 1381774877 982929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US effectively elects three governmental bodies (congress, house of representatives, president) < 1381774883 274093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preference voting may be necessary for third parties but it's not sufficient < 1381774883 783390 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about it? < 1381774891 11567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which uses different weightings < 1381774904 765197 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by "congress" do you mean the senate...? < 1381774904 950926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i recall reading on wikipedia about the mess when the uk got their first openly atheist MP < 1381774910 135707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, probably < 1381774920 644165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there was one condition that didn't seem very important < 1381774921 167609 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "congress" usually includes the representatives < 1381774935 258971 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the tiebreaker thing? < 1381774969 254493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably < 1381774993 114162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the four conditions, IIRC, are "must be deterministic and always produce a result", "cannot just ignore most of the data", "removing votes from a candidate cannot hurt their chances", "if everyone prefers candidate A to candidate B, then candidate A beats candidate B" < 1381775006 17800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and "at least three candidates" < 1381775018 825338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPTP fails the fourth condition < 1381775049 766850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I think I misworded the fourth condition < 1381775052 985465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and we use D'Hondt for seat allocation here. < 1381775055 539582 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and re the senate i think it's interesting that originally senators weren't popularly elected < 1381775061 438904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, got it slightly wrong < 1381775073 71850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm really upset that the House of Lords in the UK is being moved to being elected < 1381775078 395092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred it as hereditary < 1381775086 557558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh... y < 1381775088 878381 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a monarchist < 1381775093 625496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hereditary Lords were generally too rich to bribe, and too apolitical to really bargain < 1381775099 879738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, political bargaining, that is < 1381775107 687348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elections are much easier to manipulate, as are MPs < 1381775124 55282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the Lords were an important sanity check, and they can't actually pass any laws by themselves anyway < 1381775134 202146 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you that having a lot of money is no obstacle to wanting more money < 1381775175 156840 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it does make the bribes seem smaller < 1381775196 579501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also p. sure you can have a hereditary peerage and be broke < 1381775271 140941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also confused at your assertion that the landed gentry are apolitical < 1381775285 944864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm really misinformed < 1381775289 929155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be the first time < 1381775336 371910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applies some acetone to ais523's glasses to remove the rose paint < 1381775375 291453 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just checked and it looks like there's a hereditary peer in UKIP < 1381775378 120882 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, lol fuck < 1381775387 869204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Finland had an electoral college for the presidential election from 1919 to 1988. < 1381775401 393462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: given the conservative bias of the Lords, that's believable < 1381775428 414200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP are basically just beyond the Conservatives, to the right, with the /really/ objectionable parties beyond them < 1381775444 782528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider UKIP mostly just deluded, rather than particularly evil < 1381775458 31118 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP's the party of people reading the newspaper and grumbling about things used to be better < 1381775462 992027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381775483 983113 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.255 QUIT : < 1381775484 128559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also we had a single president for 1956-1982.) < 1381775541 856347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… the UK doesn't have any term limits, but it's basically impossible to stay in parliament more than 2 terms (I think Tony Blair was the only person who ever managed it) < 1381775559 285170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people normally get fed up of the Prime Minister pretty quickly < 1381775568 881251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After nine political parties supported Kekkonen's candidacy [for his fourth term, after the third term had already been extended by a special law] in the 1978 Presidential election, including the Social Democratic, Centre and National Coalition parties, no serious rivals remained. He humiliated his opponents by not appearing in televised presidential debates and went on to win 259 out of the 300 electoral college votes, with his nearest rival, Raino West < 1381775570 671436 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many terms was Thatcher? < 1381775579 809752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a strange time, AIUI. < 1381775586 526775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm norway had electoral college for electing _parliament_ until 1905 < 1381775599 898848 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, originally senators weren't hereditary, because AMERICA, they were just appointed by state representatives < 1381775648 22087 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how it got to being popular election actually, maybe that's an interesting story < 1381775700 9158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From December 1980 onwards, Kekkonen suffered from an undisclosed disease that appeared to affect his brain functions, sometimes leading to delusional thoughts. He had begun to suffer occasional brief memory lapses as early as the autumn of 1972, which became more frequent during the late 1970s." <- best choice for a president? < 1381775735 656272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it worked for reagan < 1381775750 737742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381775781 903096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381775802 311938 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reagan wasn't alzheimeric until after his presidency, probably. completely in control of his faculties. just a shit. < 1381775826 495875 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Thatcher managed three terms < 1381775838 707037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, right < 1381775854 55631 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you go back farther, there are longer-serving PMs < 1381775858 551705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also norway didn't get proportional voting until 1919, which was basically because the (then communist) labor party looked like it might get a majority under the old system. < 1381775879 857048 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :/ < 1381775929 501749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have any term limits for any other offices than the president. < 1381775955 398163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they managed to get a majority under the new one too, but not before turning anti-communist. < 1381775968 609837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The aforementioned Kekkonen did four consecutive terms as the prime minister before going on to be president for all those years. < 1381775983 465838 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are the Lords actually going to be elected, or is it more banging around the buck? < 1381776008 869730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that was less than four. < 1381776013 168325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think Labour wanted to make them elected, but they aren't in power at the moment < 1381776021 791124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently the new ones are appointed, I think < 1381776025 410117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the current government < 1381776032 605610 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1381776071 884751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An elected Senate is being seriously contemplated here, but currently two different courts are trying to sort out whether or not that would even be legal without a constitutional amendment < 1381776081 867993 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381776090 635968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm opposed; I like an appointed Senate for much the same reason you like your Lords < 1381776107 474979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, appointed seems better than electing both chambers < 1381776117 95276 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather abolition than election < 1381776128 880479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, using the same mechanism for every chamber tends to be a bad idea because there are no real distinctions between them < 1381776137 596817 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1381776139 805574 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: USA < 1381776164 105471 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do lack the safety valve of flooding the Senate as can be done with the Lords, but this hasn't been a practical problem because the Senate has never stood in the way of a budget like happened in 1910 < 1381776188 562553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my brain's insisting on interpreting that "flooding" as literally filling the building with water < 1381776206 633168 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not be opposed to making the Senate's veto on appropriations bills merely suspensory, but it should remain absolute on other legislation because otherwise it becomes toothless like the modern Lords < 1381776207 563702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until a few years ago, norway had the ridiculous system of dividing the parliament into two chambers _after_ election. < 1381776218 505839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha what < 1381776226 106152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the current Finnish six-party government seems to have a party cardinality (is that a term?) equal to the maximum in Finnish history; and the previous six-party one was back in 1945. < 1381776231 49362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation in the US, anyway, appears to be that the budget has a majority in every chamber but in one of them, the Speaker refuses to allow it to be debated on < 1381776271 830009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's some informal rule int he Republican party that nothing goes forth to the chamber unless it is supported by a majority of the Republican caucus < 1381776274 808470 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in the < 1381776287 178681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the members were elected unitedly, but divided themselves into Lagting and Odelsting, with different responsibilities. (There were also plenal sessions.) < 1381776288 17018 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is plain dumb stupid and it amazes me that the Speaker has that much control < 1381776319 854128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well it'd work in Guild Council, if the Independent Chairs refused to allow something on the schedule, it'd require a 2/3 majority to overturn that < 1381776340 381946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Republicans easily control 1/3 of any chamber they want to, apart from the President < 1381776360 492962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the assemblies I've participated in feature the assumption that every member has a right to bring something forth for consideration < 1381776390 77308 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only slight exception to that is the Senate of the University, where a bylaw amendment must be approved to be placed on the agenda by the Executive Committee, but any member of that committee has a right to bring something forth < 1381776392 585720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here, they're not supposed to unilaterally bar things from the agenda < 1381776420 776063 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hard rule though; even if something is left off the agenda, there is always opportunity to bring it forward under new business < 1381776423 221898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need a proposer and a seconder to get them to add things, who don't even need voting rights (they can just be consituents) < 1381776517 750366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDC (Linguistic Data Consortium, an "open consortium" hosted by University of Pennsylvania) is not answering my emails; I was wondering if this could be blamed on your shutdown too somehow. (I guess not, since it's a private university, and it'd be a state thing anyway.) < 1381776534 934216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, imagine if it only needed two constituents to introduce a bill in the UK parliament < 1381776579 402264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381776724 177999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I think it's a bit confusing that there's a private University of Pennsylvania and a public Pennsylvania State University; and I think quite a lot of similar pairings.) < 1381776792 98104 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i attend washington state university. there is a university of washington which is also public. there is also a private Washington University on the other side of the country. < 1381776794 653652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall washington university and university of washington were different entities < 1381776796 531658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's bad enough talking about the University of Birmingham to people when there's also a Birmingham City University, and Aston University which many people know is in Birmingham (and might assume would be referred to as Birmingham University colloquially) < 1381776799 359430 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wow you've had a tumblr for like a whole year now < 1381776813 838273 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ur welcome < 1381776820 884866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thx < 1381776857 497317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spent a half year at UofW in 1996 < 1381776865 890726 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny story, this state was going to be called Columbia but they thought that would get confusing what with the district of columbia. < 1381776871 822161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381776880 602249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Admittedly Aalto University (where I work) used to be the Helsinki University of Technology in English, and it *was* occasionally confused with University of Helsinki. (The Finnish names were completely different.) < 1381776901 633229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well people mostly aren't confused about the difference between Washington state and Washington DC < 1381776909 505031 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i can assure you that they are. < 1381776915 726461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1381776928 629212 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sell t shirts joking about it. < 1381776941 963002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that why the canadian one has "british" in front < 1381776943 218092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, New York city and New York state are quite easy to confuse < 1381776954 611736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to having identical names and being in much the same physical location < 1381776972 451632 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think so, yeah. adding to this problem, i'm originally from a city called Vancouver. < 1381776984 869484 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not "originally" but whatever < 1381776985 878417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381776999 855655 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, one of my friends thought that Washington was in British Columbia < 1381777006 939733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1381777015 906410 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i usually call NYC "NYC" now, seems to work ok < 1381777016 550929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i lived before, for a while someone had put up a large map of british columbia on the wall < 1381777035 142469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any particular reason? < 1381777045 466181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many people think British Columbia is in the UK < 1381777057 181764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well someone had, and for a while after they left it staid there) < 1381777062 548453 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well it is in the commonwealth, right" < 1381777084 383637 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere around Colombia, right? < 1381777093 861895 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381777097 834798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know who put it there. i'm not quite sure if it was there already when i moved in. < 1381777102 915053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or in South America. < 1381777116 186440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed olsner doing that alraedy. < 1381777121 841913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: british columbia was probably wherever it was before you moved in < 1381777128 716366 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colombia thing comes up too. i may have lived in the most ambiguously named part of the country < 1381777153 197837 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vancouver (not BC), washington (not DC), on the columbia (not colombia, not british) < 1381777162 366668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Wikipedia's Columbia disambiguation page. "Not to be confused with Colombia (disambiguation) or Colombia." < 1381777205 653060 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever actually been to BC. it seems like a nice enough place but i only know it from twin peaks and a HRW report < 1381777214 46501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a United States of Colombia too < 1381777222 819512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map, olsner. < 1381777238 702290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And the prehistoric supercontinent of Columbia, I'm sure people confuse it with that a lot too. < 1381777243 513631 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well mexico is the United States of Mexico but nobody seems to mind. < 1381777271 837471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381777301 554373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :laurentia forever! < 1381777302 323116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get way more antsy about "america" being used to refer to the US. which makes sense imo. < 1381777310 83489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :United States of Mexico and New Mexico of United States. < 1381777319 220205 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: could you explain to me again how Real Fast Nora'Hair programs are applied to their input? since input is text, but functions are lambda abstractions < 1381777355 630487 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__, the input is first transformed into a stream of bits < 1381777400 817569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream of bytes, actually < 1381777402 980383 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then: < 1381777423 721987 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thank you < 1381777439 253682 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, it transforms each byte into its church numeral representation < 1381777441 62012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget the step of thanking oerjan, it's crucial. < 1381777453 623766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 924 < 1381777456 746681 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 924: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1381777462 874702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _did_ make the interpreter, and steal Lazy K's IO model. < 1381777470 481564 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you < 1381777488 801269 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, convert = APPLY APPLY LAMBDA ZERO [next byte of input] [convert(remainder of input)] < 1381777544 516275 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, I think oerjan knows my two halfway decent languages better than I do < 1381777607 415772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain insisted on parsing "APPLY APPLY LAMBDA ZERO" as a Unicode character name < 1381777607 841150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381777617 902342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode APPLY APPLY LAMBDA ZERO < 1381777620 166929 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1381777685 377178 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, the language where EVERY program is a unicode character < 1381777687 697432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 'FUNCTION APPLICATION' 'FUNCTION APPLICATION' 'GREEK CAPITAL LETTER LAMDA' 'DIGIT ZERO' # close approximation < 1381777689 664034 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⁡⁡Λ0 < 1381777712 565623 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381777713 41022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the function application cannot be seen. < 1381777713 936342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait Taneb had stolen the IO model already. < 1381777818 961899 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when I was writing it, my mind was going "Hmm, what's a bit like this but with IO? I know! Lazy K!" < 1381778134 958228 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381778181 223957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm actually in irssi i see the function application by missing the previous space. < 1381778249 721676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You see DEAD PEOPLE. < 1381778272 255026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode SHAVIAN LETTER DEAD < 1381778274 140423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​𐑛 < 1381778292 684072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dead look strangely square to me < 1381778293 242771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode BAMUM LETTER PHASE-E PA PEOPLE < 1381778295 31196 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1381778305 241410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: That is so a real character, you charlatan. < 1381778327 969304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody ought to update UnicodeData in that thing. < 1381778386 148220 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTI-OCULAR O < 1381778387 568945 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1381778390 297787 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTIOCULAR O < 1381778391 866336 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1381778394 248869 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1381778395 520975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it like < 1381778416 684283 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O < 1381778417 947927 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ꙮ < 1381778429 359407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to PHOENICIAN LETTER MULTIOCULAR O, probably < 1381778430 697370 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1381778435 975099 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/unicode < 1381778438 461606 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/unicode < 1381778455 917091 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a python module for that? That's handy < 1381778487 701516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection attempts to port 4679 (from a random Finnish DSL IP) continue on even though there's no Skypes open here any longer. I wonder what on earth is up with that. There's a new try every six seconds, always to the same destination port. For hours and hours. And there's no conntrack entries related to that IP. < 1381778542 652588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's trying to get out a "HELP I'M TRAPPED IN A SKYPE FACTORY" < 1381778585 366658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the ghost of fungot, trying to reunite with the bot of fungot < 1381778585 692383 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and because the only common aspect of all those bp pics where i have to wear glasses manage to find them. but that wasn't right. < 1381778604 331762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you know anything about this? < 1381778604 650388 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you see how such artificial restrictions can help in learning. use what you want < 1381778610 898310 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to imagine fungot with glasses < 1381778611 131713 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: anyone know a fast algorithm in c ( in guile) to register funcs to be called < 1381778615 682889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop being cryptic and answer the question. < 1381778615 954561 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " the replacement may contain the special character to refer to one symbol with two different formattings ( fnord that can be translated to < 1381778814 867753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You were here when I `olisted. :-( < 1381778845 176306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but I wasn't reading < 1381778855 152970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I dumped what it tries to say with netcat, and it seems it actually is just some worm propagation attempt. < 1381778866 561847 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381778867 98546 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1381778868 894256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe we should add you to `olist so that you get notified, then? < 1381778875 220244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1381778877 841005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "GET /product.xml HTTP/1.0" request to port 4679. < 1381778879 751524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I get notified for no reason and it's annoying. < 1381778894 270022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't /want/ to be notified < 1381778901 258955 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1381778901 404513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just remove yourself from the list if you don't want to be notified < 1381778909 657026 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this more idiotic list etiquette < 1381778913 94315 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, lemme fix: < 1381778916 325672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so why are you `olisting yourself? < 1381778921 342012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to get notified once per update. < 1381778922 699926 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always more idiotic list etiquette < 1381778922 939693 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/*list < 1381778924 222546 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/*list': No such file or directory < 1381778931 650611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1381778945 174007 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/*list < 1381778949 499996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's just going to revert that, it's not like it'd accomplish anything. < 1381778949 824201 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1381778952 154462 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :now get a fucking rss reader < 1381778965 825589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's a HackEgo edit war all over again. < 1381779013 927667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1381779033 247960 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel has the most amazing drama < 1381779043 178538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some very strange values of "amazing". < 1381779047 406409 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does shachaf just make a hobby of becoming pointlessly forceful about things < 1381779057 625188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Bike's amazed that it's a drama < 1381779068 813047 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem now is that i have deleted bin/list, and i like bin/list < 1381779081 473699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Admittedly I'd've expected some sort of a comedy too. < 1381779091 984347 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very good at finding comedy in stupid shit don't worry < 1381779136 679468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my problem with the lists is that their intended function seems to be to notify people to not update the lists < 1381779165 525626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's anything unclear with their intended function. < 1381779183 413881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether they work well or not. < 1381779274 471334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it sounds reasonably reasonable (as far as anything in the list universe can be reasonable) that the people paying any attention to them and the people invoking them would be the same set. < 1381779304 630442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well in that case the lists would never be used < 1381779307 798292 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381779315 827275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're relying on the lists to let you know when the comic's available < 1381779316 564857 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1381779321 558718 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1381779325 184512 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381779327 987441 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess my problem with the lists is that their intended function seems to be to notify people to not update the lists < 1381779328 133422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd never check the comic to be able to announce the lists < 1381779345 476220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: People on the lists seem to be entirely capable of using them themselves. < 1381779348 140974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the set of people who benefit from the notification, and the set of people who /provide/ the notification, should be disjoint < 1381779367 529518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more to the point, I noticed that the discussion thread was only on page 5 < 1381779372 655634 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem with the lists is that they are THE STUPIDEST THING EVER and yet a handful of people have latched onto them out of contrarianism or blissful naivete < 1381779376 981478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that the comic was probably pretty new < 1381779389 565778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: what about `list? that was the stupidest thing ever /intentionally/ < 1381779407 335162 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : the problem now is that i have deleted bin/list, and i like bin/list < 1381779427 793239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And they work just fine even if the sets are identical; then it's just a "you can do your semirandom poll of this comic right now" shortcut mechanism. < 1381779435 158397 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to point out, as a neutral observer, that you are all terrible and stop stifling my ree speech < 1381779450 322386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh right, missed that first time < 1381779457 79292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, if you wanted efficiency out of it, you'd probably be using that RSS reader or whatnot. < 1381779470 618185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in my case, I don't want to read it at work < 1381779481 143310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I tend to check it whenever I'm bored and can read it < 1381779485 237602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to wanting to read it instantly < 1381779492 92211 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I find slist useful sometimes < 1381779508 590025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be quite simple just to opt out of the whole list mechanism then, instead of willfully adding multiplicate listings. < 1381779512 398094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist < 1381779514 834484 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck. < 1381779532 750210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, I thought I was being useful via adding listings, though < 1381779546 119315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think well-meaning people could disagree on that. < 1381779552 236104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the third hand, it's all very stupid.) < 1381779608 27463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my problem is that I don't see the circumstances under which the list would ever be listed < 1381779633 486087 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not have an emoticon to show my current expression < 1381779670 806532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't use one < 1381779718 534375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :way ahead of you < 1381779727 751074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's because you think people either (a) poll/feed the comic with some other mechanism and do not look at listings, or (b) never poll the comic independently and only look at it when it gets listed, while the "in-practice" scenario is (c) that all/most people on the list poll the comic at semirandom intervals anyway, and the list just shortcuts that by notifying the involved people, and thereby shortens the mean lag between update and se < 1381779741 679681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and seeing it. < 1381779746 360212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where's my splitlong.pl again?) < 1381779752 944369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right < 1381779778 714189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm certainly no list expert, I'm not even on any; that's just the sort of feeling I've gotten from observing it. < 1381779840 3546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we even discussing lists? < 1381779913 941632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: shachaf just ragequit the channel over them < 1381779944 748321 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too synthetic to be called 'rage' < 1381780001 440984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the list a list of again? < 1381780016 740184 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have used `list < 1381780043 658959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that doesn't sound entirely useful < 1381780065 6826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's (c) fits me, anyway :P < 1381780138 726780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1381780142 988717 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1381780196 932254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ais523 is assuming people are predictable. < 1381780270 247873 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1381780317 832367 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381780410 123811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1381780432 273920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't "ragequit" the channel. < 1381780446 502385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just stumbled. < 1381780449 924418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined the channel in the first place to talk to kmc, and he wasn't here anyway. < 1381780496 182235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built rust and that's kmc's fault entirely. < 1381780497 626988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I was mostly idling in the channel. But then people started mentioning my name without actually communicating anything to me. So I left. < 1381780503 464092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still missing a project.) < 1381780538 368922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth, I only thought to check `olist after joining the channel. And I checked the logs before saying it, to make sure I wouldn't be double-notifying people. < 1381780590 629122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fizzie's (c) is correct. < 1381780625 631830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1381780715 812043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't win anything. < 1381780753 512839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual polling is so web 1.0, subscribe to the feed already < 1381780795 57611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1381780795 842055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once subscribed to the feed and it somehow broke horribly, reshowing me old comics all the time. < 1381780802 385155 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover Phantom__Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot shikhin SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1381780820 901337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before the lists. < 1381780882 708161 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proudly not on the list < 1381780897 968403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like being on the list would be annoying < 1381780905 884908 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my pride. < 1381780923 981602 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious how fungot and HackEgo came to be on the list < 1381780924 198760 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: because 2.6 or even 2.4 is too large < 1381780931 983957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1381780936 728618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: people telling them to `echo or whatever < 1381780946 701656 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the bots around here had blacklists for other bots < 1381780956 791140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also the listification mechanism had some bugs. < 1381780965 969033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Picking "most-recent" and not "most-recent-lister". < 1381780973 566465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not any more < 1381780977 14827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list now checks the logs < 1381780978 948148 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover Phantom__Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot shikhin SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1381780994 790694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it checked them wrong. Some of those could be carryovers. < 1381781004 516191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it greps the logs every time < 1381781007 538068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list < 1381781008 546519 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ grep '^..:..:..: <[^>]*> `list' /var/irclogs/_esoteric/201[3-9]-??-??.txt | sed 's/^.*.*//;s/_*$//' | sort -u | tr '\n' ' ' < 1381781024 799173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, *now*. < 1381781031 144104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fixes FireFly's issue, too; `list works even if HackEgo doesn't see the original `list < 1381781082 407970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glogbot doesn't have an ignore list < 1381781095 317274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point < 1381781102 87622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a plain "tail -1" before that grep was added. < 1381781102 711042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381781108 519123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the names weren't reset when it was, is my point. < 1381781136 756518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381781137 622756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so there is no way to get off the list once you're on it? < 1381781156 866348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Just the obvious manual sed ways. < 1381781170 772838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you do it wrong, drama may ensue. < 1381781199 359900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something like edit all your `lists out of the irclogs? < 1381781227 677973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could edit bin/list to contain an exception for you < 1381781248 996113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, *that's* what you meant by "every time", I'm just too slow. < 1381781291 149658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that will eventually get too slow. < 1381781297 554094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of slow now < 1381781304 644236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's that year limit. < 1381781311 621666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way would be to modify it in the client-side < 1381781337 849972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in some cases may be preferable (but not necessarily all cases) < 1381781338 212824 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really remove you from the list < 1381781796 491803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The port-4679 hammering still continues, even though I accepted one connection to slurp out what it was trying to say. < 1381781799 495602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it really is some sort of a worm propagation attempt, it seems ridiculously ineffective. < 1381781935 155146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4679 *is* listed as "MGE UPS Supervision" service, and there's some references to "http://connectups-1713ae.domain.com:4679/product.xml" in the webs re UPS management, so it sounds like a reasonable assumption it's trying to find vulnerable UPSes. < 1381781946 597977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it keeps trying this same IP over and over again. < 1381781968 250278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone has typed an IP address wrong somewhere. < 1381782461 316829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to connect to source:80 in case it's someone I could contact, but a GET / got a "HTTP/1.0 501 Not Implemented" and a malformed request got some incomprehensible jumble of bytes. < 1381782485 104844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a teapot < 1381782505 921864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be. < 1381782527 185300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not seeing any particular patterns in the returned bytes. < 1381782619 966278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird combination of things to send though... a well-formed HTTP response in some cases and random binary data in other cases < 1381782655 991400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the HTTP response is just to discourage HTTP clients, since whatever it is for reals, it *is* in port 80. < 1381782668 965282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the random binary data would be for the actual functionality, which I'm less sure of. < 1381782680 57275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the binary data is just gzipped or something < 1381782696 811593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have any headers according to 'file', so it's not a gzip stream. < 1381782706 906914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :deflate then? < 1381782707 255757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it wouldn't notice a raw DEFLATE stream, though. < 1381782714 486560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could check that out. < 1381782727 8628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to general portscans, I sometimes wonder if I should email the abuse@ address in the WHOIS, but this is so bizarre. < 1381782737 441035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then again, at the ISP they'd at least know which customer it is.) < 1381782840 745809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if wireshark is good at autodetecting protocols < 1381782977 870740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just said "Continuation or non-HTTP traffic" about it. < 1381782993 718903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it assumes HTTP due to being on port 80 < 1381782999 507086 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1381783013 170036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so; the overall label is HTTP, and I don't know how to tell it to ignore that and re-autodetect. < 1381783083 480045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "decode as", but that's no help. < 1381783102 914195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can apparently disable the HTTP decoder. < 1381783125 684855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it's just "TCP". < 1381783138 451775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "decode as" the one that lets you select which protocol decoder(s) to use? < 1381783141 479421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1381783161 676933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it lets you select a decoder, as far as I could tell. Maybe I didn't look at it too closely. < 1381783186 585052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1381783186 730553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, disabling HTTP just got plain TCP, so I'd guess it doesn't autodetect anything sensible out of it. < 1381783375 807504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More news: the source has port 4679 open too, and replies to a GET /protocol.xml HTTP/1.0 (the thing it sends out) with a | < 1381783381 960156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found. < 1381783393 272545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error 404 - File read error" < 1381783413 543485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: any idea why people keep on asking my web server for pages on other sites? < 1381783426 223405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of attempt to exploit a vulnerability? < 1381783501 492802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like trying to use you as a proxy < 1381783531 412182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Most likely guess, yes. < 1381783531 574532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, GET / on port 4679 gives a long web page built entirely out of and and lots of javascript. < 1381783531 720415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that should be enough to identify the device. < 1381783531 720584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the /product.xml request it was trying to *send* has an User-Agent of Emc2.) < 1381783533 959218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my serve responds by ignoring the domain and trying to find a page at the same path < 1381783560 965485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need some sort of a throwaway VM to look at this thing in a browser, and I don't have one set up. :/ < 1381783621 660067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMC could refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation < 1381783646 256708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I send it the exact same request it's trying to send to me (also for /product.xml but with proper User-Agent and so on) it replies back with . < 1381783696 569410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intelligent Power® Manager Software - Eaton’s Intelligent Power Manager software enables you to --" < 1381783716 607122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what it is, and it's trying to connect to an UPS. < 1381783733 990139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other sort of a power-related sensor. < 1381783763 803373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I *should* in fact email abuse@ then; they could email the customer in question. < 1381783772 805675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's a regular home dialup, as far as I can tell. < 1381783886 563297 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381783963 281387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they don't have anything better to do. < 1381784097 84893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god this anime is hilarious < 1381784284 56081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly implausible, unless you're laughing at it < 1381784322 976970 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I actually have been laughing at it < 1381784335 857432 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1381784340 918965 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a good way or a bad way < 1381784342 760876 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about a dark lord who finds himself in Tokyo without his magic powers < 1381784355 78580 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He winds up working at McDonalds to make ends meet < 1381784357 682609 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, a good way < 1381784358 582179 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381784405 468088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is laughing at it as opposed to laughing with it < 1381784423 904702 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1381784426 777255 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's laughing with it < 1381784439 121772 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said at because I never really liked the phrase "laughing with it" < 1381784677 587868 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381784679 972878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally monitor incoming-but-dropped connections at all closely; it's kind of a funny coincidence that the one time I do, I get a nice puzzle like the current one. < 1381784718 71341 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're actually all like that < 1381784773 786954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did it also during the day at work, and nothing seemed to be happening, except for some showers of SSH port knocking and a few Microsoft SQL server connection attempts. Certainly nothing sustained like this. < 1381784852 128764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those are still going on, interspersed with the UPS guy.) < 1381784933 229007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSSQL from "CHINANET jiangsu province network", telnet probes from Turkey, Lithuania, Slovakia; that's all very boring. < 1381784990 464266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the UPS guy stopped. < 1381785018 862977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if the abuse@ email had something to do with it. < 1381785117 304250 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381785180 755069 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@rrcs-98-101-186-162.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1381785228 205065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also a quick poke backwards didn't seem to reach the source at all. Hope they didn't *disconnect* him/her/it; that seems a bit drastic.) < 1381785278 373322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networks: they so funny. < 1381785426 511780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1381785428 33625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack back < 1381785679 54782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the abuse folks might have a "disconnect first, ask questions later" policy. Or else the timing was just coincidental. (The connection attempts stopped about five minutes after sending the email.) < 1381785806 452932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly even a "disconnect first [based on email subject line], read complaints later" policy. < 1381786040 618940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have to do some prepare (including to ask things of the kingdom) before continuing on the next quest. I have some ideas; tell me if you think I missed something? * Ask for a spare space on a shelf to store my books and stuff I don't need to carry to there * Request a boat or boat ticket * Summon a familiar * Study the Calimsham some more * Find religious ties in Church of Gxxyuxihuvxi in both cities * Try to < 1381786059 128671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this message get cut off? There should be seven asterisks. < 1381786136 304214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ends in "*Try to". < 1381786147 183074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Try to ask father's friend if he is a speaker in dreams * Get the Calimsham advisor and others who may need to come < 1381786151 267651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I fixed it. < 1381786199 375934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things did I miss? < 1381786220 98642 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@rrcs-98-101-186-162.midsouth.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381787074 436003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y, $z) = ("inf", +"inf", 0+"inf"); $x++; $y++; $z++; print "$x $y $z";' # nasty? < 1381787076 223833 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing ing inf < 1381787299 726043 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381787419 692216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that is understandable to me. Why are you using this now? < 1381787464 845571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not, I just saw it on the Perl channel. < 1381787501 86575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's understandable, but arguably a bit inelegant, because Perl in general likes to pretend there's no difference between a scalar that's a number and a scalar that's a string. < 1381787519 262552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the middle one that annoys me < 1381787528 147526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't looks too much inelegant to me, although I am not a Perl programmer so I wouldn't know so much < 1381787539 600056 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect +"inf" to force the number-y behaviour < 1381787541 510675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems fine to me, although I can understand why you might not like the middle one. < 1381787560 942392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's what I sort of expected too, coming from JavaScript. < 1381787565 368050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you want unary + to make it numeric. < 1381787612 990020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y) = (+"inf", -"inf"); $x++; $y++; print "$x $y";' # and unary - does, of course. < 1381787614 570768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing -inf < 1381787692 679865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it would make sense if unary + to make it numeric, since it can be meaning something then. < 1381788043 840400 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381788272 309075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really annoy me so much that unary + doesn't do that though. < 1381788323 977185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y) = ('inf', 'inf'); $z = $y + 0; $x++; $y++; $z++; print "$x $y $z";' # then there's this < 1381788325 643397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing inf inf < 1381788328 481857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performing the calculation $y + 0 goes and turns $y into "more numeric" even when the result is assigned to something else. < 1381788331 671883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y) = (0+'inf', 0+'inf'); $z = $y . ""; $x++; $y++; $z++; print "$x $y $z";' # but not the other way around < 1381788333 720901 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf inf ing < 1381788372 809508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing $y . "" does not alter the "numericalness" of $y, even though the result in $z is "less numeric". < 1381788449 768039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "$z = $y + 0" causing such things looks like strange, although I think that many things in Perl are looking like strange. < 1381788469 10903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like to be nasty about it, you could even say that $y + 0 has an (observable) side effect that modifies $y. < 1381788503 143000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the interchangeability of numbers and strings means it usually doesn't matter. < 1381788554 89106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that it works only one way and not the other way around, just seems like silly, however (although maybe there is a proper reason for it). < 1381788576 764684 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381788598 69138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe (I'm not much of a Perl programmer either) the reason has uncomfortably much to do with the internals of Perl scalars. < 1381789168 458947 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381790116 913563 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381790328 730942 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381790887 636816 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1381791208 363389 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381791806 685775 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381791875 746998 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381791923 109189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do program in AWK, though, and I think there are some similiary to Perl. < 1381791963 433544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IINM, perl is supposed to have been based on awk < 1381792205 932466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are two features I would like to see added into AWK: One is a command to tell the program to receive a line of input (so it matches against all patterns in the program just as if it is from the normal input), and the other is a \ operator to read matched parts of a regular expression used as a boolean and was true. < 1381792263 273450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the second case an example might be: /^[^0-9]*([0-9])*/{print \1} < 1381792421 287556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it would just output the first digit available in each line of input, if they have any digits. < 1381792635 401388 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381792643 241384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wanted the latter feature too. (Generally ended up writing in Perl instead then.) < 1381792810 134149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -ane and perl -ape are somewhat close to awk in that they do an automatic loop and split, though patterns still need to be written as ifs. < 1381792835 413887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Easy to do both those features then, though.) < 1381793377 316914 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381793445 144048 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381793594 851659 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1381793607 681952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381794385 540923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like AWK though, and think adding two such features like I describe may improve it. < 1381794647 417277 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381794663 912269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Larry Wall, 1987 < 1381794756 789171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other opinion of AWK is that a few features of GNU AWK (such as gettext) should be moved to external plugins instead. < 1381794796 273913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What about Larry Wall, 1987? < 1381794805 628582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about him indeed < 1381794850 555896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that's why I asked. < 1381794882 60821 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that larry wall said "I still like AWK though, and think [..]", in 1987 < 1381794913 533962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they? < 1381794932 66895 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381794999 142406 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contnuation of this idea is that it lead to perl < 1381795087 346745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that adding features to Awk is a slippery slope to Perl < 1381795179 148608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have done, but there should be a better way.