< 1382054460 302699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :room 152 < 1382054489 153118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1382054497 209496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be around then probably < 1382054500 308970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if I'll stay for the talk < 1382054513 365910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1382054850 707050 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382054890 304481 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1382054904 736466 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382055165 921054 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382056075 174462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382056551 380904 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382056579 912290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382057068 481152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps shaped charges will fix my makefile < 1382057128 414094 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1382057132 379013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangit < 1382057155 478040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll type it out < 1382057184 454494 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This whole subject of writing seemingly referentially opaque macros with syntax rules has been /actually/ inspired by a practical application." < 1382057568 843859 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a memory leak in a script I wrote a while back < 1382057573 26656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to use the script today < 1382057577 725068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ate around 13GB < 1382057685 349225 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382058675 344072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1382058679 890494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it leak memory < 1382058889 970602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon: http://web.archive.org/web/20130917111816/http://fmota.eu/blog/base64-fixed-point.html < 1382059788 938567 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382059982 11459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I forgot to destroy the prepared statements, which I made in a loop < 1382060014 328113 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutable entities in Tcl don't get garbage collected < 1382060121 712974 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382060137 584303 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382060148 678370 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea JOIN :#esoteric < 1382060151 113423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382060161 231760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because the "references" between them are strings and therefore impossible to trace? < 1382060182 466440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yes < 1382060190 343576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shuold learn Tcl < 1382060193 522475 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1382060251 653962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what do you think of Rust's macro system? http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/tutorial-macros.html < 1382060384 518813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pattern-matching the only form of macros available (not done reading yet) < 1382060429 101281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free-form? < 1382060547 917889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only kind which doesn't involve editing the compiler < 1382060583 65587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactically when you see foo!(bar) it could be invoking a user-defined macro or a compiler-defined syntax extension < 1382060600 541178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bar can be anything? < 1382060615 831072 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be arbitrary strings, or is there some form in which it needs to be in to be parsable? < 1382060641 985366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for macros it can be any sequence of valid Rust tokens, where () [] {} are properly nested and balanced < 1382060667 629625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust programs are parsed to a "token tree" before a full AST, and that's where macro expansion happens < 1382060709 247533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the token tree expresses the nesting structure of () [] {} and contains other tokens as leaves < 1382060746 371871 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382060751 631641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think that secretly you can have a macro syntax variable $x:tt to take an arbitrary token tree, rather than the documented e.g. $x:expr which will parse that part of the tree as an expr before expanding the macro < 1382060766 652227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure tho < 1382060819 630439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a final, horrifying aside, note that macro-by-example's input is also matched by one of these matchers. Holy self-referential!" < 1382060864 662007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the context to know what that comment means, just pasting for amusement < 1382060880 979799 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks oddly at kmc  < 1382060927 461274 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382061231 772080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1382061370 307215 :NihilistDandy!~ND@d-burl-bng1-64-223-109-106.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT : < 1382061767 971433 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to add Fugue or Velato notes over a normal audio file at inaudable frequencies? < 1382063332 392433 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1382064176 5542 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1382064903 459351 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382064936 952325 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :K-Lined < 1382064990 21062 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382065053 215914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do we delete lists after they're finished < 1382065063 218026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: here's the macro I wrote today: https://github.com/kmcallister/servo/blob/8bd9be7240faf751b7d23e3d9a65a3db8adf3496/src/components/main/macros.rs#L14-L24 < 1382065127 571430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns «spawn_with!(task(), [foo, bar], { ...blah blah... })» into «do task().spawn_with((foo,bar)) |(foo,bar)| { ...blah blah... }» < 1382065156 486696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is itself sugar for «task().spawn_with((foo,bar), |(foo,bar)| { ...blah blah... })» < 1382065168 789337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second argument to spawn_with is a lambda expression taking a tuple as an argument < 1382065184 667993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for why we need to explicitly name (some of) the captured variables, there's a good-ish reason for that, which I can explain later < 1382065187 670180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -> afk now < 1382065245 210899 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lists in Tcl are immutable strings, which are GCed < 1382065268 749744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/*lists < 1382065289 590498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/*list < 1382065293 984682 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/*list < 1382065297 605022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1382065299 885432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/*list < 1382065301 474677 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist bin/emptylist bin/erflist bin/instalist bin/list bin/llist bin/makelist bin/mlist bin/olist bin/oohlist bin/pbflist bin/slist bin/smlist bin/testlist < 1382065384 866159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'rm bin/slist' >> bin/slist # There. < 1382065388 770768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382065397 539600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike++ < 1382065472 172963 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that won't work. < 1382065474 65132 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatashame < 1382065493 276609 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It works on #xkcd < 1382065502 273467 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where i usually lurk < 1382065518 981455 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the ++ thing has bot responses < 1382065543 658679 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could say it is... *puts on sunglasses*... BOTOMATED < 1382065559 815524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, true. :-( < 1382065562 537996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1382065567 87347 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1382065611 600094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/exit/rm bin\/slist/; exit' bin/slist < 1382065616 434054 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found < 1382065624 537470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've learned a frightening amount about sed from this channel. < 1382065626 283777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1382065636 167636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I even... < 1382065642 319661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/exit/rm bin\/slist; exit/' bin/slist < 1382065644 78391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382065663 873366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/slist | r13 < 1382065665 597775 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; ez ova/fyvfg \ Gnaro \ ngevd \ Atriq \ Svben \ abeggv \ Ftrb \ GungBgureCrefba \ nybg < 1382065668 11648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like slist is actually over, just it only has one more run left < 1382065673 501816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1382065676 593767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION list lawyer < 1382065682 750335 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now slist is set up to delete itself after that one more run. < 1382065684 823104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, "run" means more than one update? < 1382065688 703636 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All nice and tidy and completely reasonable. < 1382065695 513792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1382065696 23747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1382065701 539155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was added not replaced < 1382065708 8000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1382065711 134492 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1382065712 135977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was fine! < 1382065718 531265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there was no "exit". < 1382065721 779056 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott you're ruining the whole system with your propaganda. < 1382065725 826865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1382065752 691689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/exit/rm bin\/slist\; exit/' bin/slist < 1382065756 505988 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382065757 340043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/slist | r13 < 1382065759 232889 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; ez ova/fyvfg; rkvg \ Gnaro \ ngevd \ Atriq \ Svben \ abeggv \ Ftrb \ GungBgureCrefba \ nybg < 1382065772 442705 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what's ; do in sed < 1382065772 763576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1382065777 910142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separates statements? < 1382065786 47963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Perl. < 1382065788 527914 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come it didn't tell you about an unterminated / then? < 1382065792 494619 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s i mean < 1382065794 309877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you don't need a final / < 1382065805 494737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abc | sed 's/b/q' < 1382065807 402569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 5: unterminated `s' command < 1382065810 634248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1382065813 892863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you do need it. < 1382065824 645357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abc | sed 's/b/q; exit' < 1382065826 358392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 11: unterminated `s' command < 1382065828 369674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abc | sed 's/b/q; exit/' < 1382065831 58768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :aq; exitc < 1382065833 37352 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. < 1382065833 183099 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess ; terminates it. < 1382065838 115752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1382065843 848884 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's great how basically every confusing thing about shell is due to mixing up strings and arguments and stuff < 1382065859 510732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/exit/rm bin\/slist\; exit/' bin/slist | head -n1 < 1382065861 664993 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; rm bin/slist; rm bin/slist; exit < 1382065929 216869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1382066049 543369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, where did the exit go? < 1382066087 457784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/fd7b8d987a01 < 1382066153 2933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we just execute taneb < 1382066190 901315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was just broken. < 1382066222 219175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something? < 1382066240 598337 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/slist/slist\; exit/' bin/slist | head -n1 < 1382066242 13435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; rm bin/slist; exit; exit < 1382066249 142398 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382066271 111334 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it's finenow. < 1382066306 9913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i even aware of this slist thing < 1382066321 767188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1382066450 253207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bike < 1382066485 426161 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10413 < 1382066531 236964 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1382066534 655383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes bike < 1382066540 110274 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16742 < 1382066550 268135 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111117 < 1382067033 117117 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382067299 824917 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382067926 609980 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382068608 911042 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382068946 239106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1382069008 973904 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1382069053 845941 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382069277 133904 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382069444 324855 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382070143 565323 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382070854 416997 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382070899 723495 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382071841 980396 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1382071986 21609 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382072327 440583 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382074689 143940 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382074903 434593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :447 and dead bodies, two great tastes that taste great together < 1382076744 449266 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1382077191 988192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist News: Gigapause < 1382077196 109071 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist News: Gigapause: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1382077207 985035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, sgeo. < 1382077229 6270 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's of relevance to Homestuck readers < 1382077237 794119 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slist < 1382077239 548391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/slist: No such file or directory < 1382077243 78334 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand. < 1382077300 917176 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1382077304 209451 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1382077312 449672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slist < 1382077313 849507 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; rm bin/slist; exit \ Taneb \ atriq \ Ngevd \ Fiora \ nortti \ Sgeo \ ThatOtherPerson \ alot < 1382077322 507123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more update, sgeo!! < 1382077404 890816 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382077525 259647 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382077777 914486 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382077841 713111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gbye < 1382078840 651481 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renshaw_cell < 1382079525 242532 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382079540 178175 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382080311 127384 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382080398 155994 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382080398 301459 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1382080398 301632 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382080845 142279 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@154.5.185.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382081375 430626 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382082590 282851 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've been reading Homestuck for over 4 years < 1382082605 310191 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading Homestuck for over 20% of my life < 1382083837 170874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1382083845 507044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1382083910 488571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc'day < 1382084384 994227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going < 1382084396 854765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible as usual < 1382084504 522095 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know everything goes wrong when I try to update anything? < 1382084524 954175 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please be on standby < 1382084555 405220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i never update hth ​ < 1382084781 960060 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382084831 918641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382085076 687801 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eybijqlrrtxwiruo QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382085126 782573 :ssue___!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mailqpeygbyexpyw QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382085146 323574 :ssue___!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgnfdnnabtdhrvlq JOIN :#esoteric < 1382086471 72437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : drlemon: http://web.archive.org/web/20130917111816/http://fmota.eu/blog/base64-fixed-point.html <-- not the most archiveable page :( < 1382086551 925777 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382086569 254578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The math seems to have a broken. < 1382086569 891532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Taneb may have updated himself permanently off our channel < 1382086582 500727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comments section isn't too good either :P < 1382086676 179371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: btw i think this may mean base64 has an associated minimal shift system. < 1382086697 58577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: you so idle < 1382086707 954459 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1382086714 873626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382086761 604770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aren't you supposed to continue a start like that with some sort of a "your mom" joke? < 1382086776 346580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _almost_ a substitution shift system, like thue-morse < 1382086857 616936 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382087201 930397 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-228.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382088280 464508 :SingingBoyo!~singingbo@154.5.185.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382089747 957849 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382090062 888242 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382090513 778438 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other night for some reason I was at a Project Euler night < 1382090538 266393 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where people get together and do Project Euler problem < 1382090539 453150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that was a thing. < 1382090589 68893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s) < 1382090612 373344 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, someone was trying to do the first problem, really struggling with it < 1382090619 730186 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had about 30 lines of C++ < 1382090649 144312 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1382090650 972450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's that three-and-five thing. I've seen that in many places. < 1382090651 187542 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire alarm < 1382090668 875538 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it stopped < 1382090669 409371 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first one the one that's basically fizzbuzz? < 1382090676 475220 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEah < 1382090684 835989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum of all multiples of 3 or 5 below 1000. < 1382090689 99149 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We looked at him, and said "How?" < 1382090698 75759 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person to the right of me had 8 lines of C++ < 1382090703 307270 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 1 line of Haskell < 1382090709 537545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had screenfuls < 1382090711 470180 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I solved that in J < 1382090719 522520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Haskell < 1382091024 723751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate", "[case gcd x 15 of 3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";15->"Fizzbuzz";_->show x|x<-[1..]] < 1382091026 100325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1, 2, Fizz, 4, Buzz, Fizz, 7, 8, Fizz, Buzz, 11, Fizz, 13, 14, Fizzbuzz, 1... < 1382091129 899410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) i 15 < 1382091142 767371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no jconn < 1382091160 14057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know J anyway. < 1382091357 799763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Doomy doom of doom < 1382091414 512699 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/ (* 0: = (3&| * 5&|)) i.1000 < 1382091420 810336 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably prettier ways to do it though.. < 1382091457 366368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those inner parens aren't necessary I think < 1382091672 962120 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382092172 417433 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1382092247 541349 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmjctttgkzpbzelj JOIN :#esoteric < 1382092431 618483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382093485 694403 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6551:e6b8:7081:29d7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382094951 475393 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382095585 143407 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382095630 597319 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382095846 155204 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1382095898 127244 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382096315 173673 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382096696 235226 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382096704 649666 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382096929 489065 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382098469 639680 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382098870 568287 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :PopeMonad < 1382098946 548801 :PopeMonad!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :Taneb < 1382098977 176731 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382099848 396082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good taneb-has-identity-troubles morning! < 1382100999 3862 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf, I wanted to write the ackermann function in When < 1382101011 491628 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this language is harder to use than I thought < 1382101049 616080 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also there's no reference interpreter that I know of so I'm not even sure it should work the way I believe) < 1382101114 442321 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, a rule is triggered everytime a variable in its predicate is assigned < 1382101144 402833 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the variable value may have changed before the predicate is evaluated < 1382101177 213064 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates queues < 1382101262 353931 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the when operator is the only way to do branching; if you want to branch depending on the value of two variables, then the rule will be triggered twice... < 1382101665 781866 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should add some flag variable that basically says "don't compute anything until I confirm you can proceed" < 1382101818 31885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues are fun, when you have undergrad students implement them. < 1382101886 184016 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines boily queuing up students holding numbers < 1382101947 145740 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1382102023 198538 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: sadly, I didn't get to TA that class. would have been fun *evil smirk* < 1382102191 264993 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if electronics stopped working and we had to go back to people computing stuff by hand < 1382102210 478693 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd ask people to hold the numbers to execute your fueue program < 1382102229 831363 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :ysengrin < 1382102235 63923 :ysengrin!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :Taneb < 1382102251 475662 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a very compelling argument to have a live #esoteric meet-up, with group activities, drinks, and computations! < 1382102353 550258 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tell me more about yourselves. did you have a good relationship with your mother? how do you feel at the sight of mittens? if a scientist in a labcoat orders you to teach VB to an unsuspecting victim, will you comply? < 1382102472 116443 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a reasonable relationship of my mother < 1382102494 341550 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mittens remind me of a cute pair I had when I was little that had like an elastic cord from one to the other so I wouldn't lose one < 1382102499 546758 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually a really good idea < 1382102559 678525 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a scientist in a labcoat orders me to teach VB to an unsuspecting victim, I'd probably panic < 1382102617 957769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION acquiesces and takes notes “hmm... hmm... please carry on...” < 1382102699 638415 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I have a long-held fear of someone pointing out that I'm wrong about something I am supposed to have authority about < 1382102736 393866 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if someone orders me to teach a topic to an unsuspecting victim who may know anything about that topic already, I will be terrified < 1382102747 690043 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your Fueue truth-machine was wrong < 1382102755 664485 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1382102780 656819 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, almost every Fueue program I have written is untested < 1382102785 197524 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess it's okay to be wrong when oerjan is in the room < 1382102948 338975 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1382102979 604218 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: but he's not there. who's the next oerjan-in-command? < 1382103022 800198 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382103075 171715 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could appoint Fiora < 1382103083 146526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1382103103 902282 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, you are now promoted to acting oerjan. Congratulations! < 1382103161 484320 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he usually logbackread/readlogsback/whatever so if you misbehave in his name, HE'LL KNOW < 1382103239 112646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean O_O < 1382103386 545818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what does it mean, to be oerjan? < 1382103386 717892 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't you get it working < 1382103397 629504 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no I didn't, that's why I'm asking. < 1382103397 860852 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not really " ick" from a syntactic environment < 1382103433 802830 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: okay, so... I guess you can start by not being “ick”, from a syntactic environment. < 1382103475 469528 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I believe in you, can you tell us the answer? < 1382103475 757320 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fnord... fnord whether that reflects your opinion in that debate well enough? :) i'm learning scheme and now < 1382103489 698013 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, learn scheme and now < 1382103506 761407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an "ick"? < 1382103512 9652 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382103541 408948 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1382103593 610010 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a single-celled parasite, a church, a train-coach, a human protein or English slang. < 1382103951 767903 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382104451 574509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382105123 843651 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382105852 342015 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1382106046 194187 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1382106090 370683 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382106812 258549 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382108176 868851 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382109459 258458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you seem rather "ick" to me... < 1382109459 442266 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: last time i had a hard time < 1382109465 885855 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm sorry < 1382109466 256906 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the page doesn't appear here at all, should it end up?! :) http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ gambit-list/ 2005-may/ fnord < 1382109791 695969 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382109962 629138 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog PLORTS < 1382109995 881121 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382110298 916140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequote < 1382110300 338075 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastequote: not found < 1382110303 853897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1382110311 379085 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17624 < 1382110740 611601 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382111086 336337 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382111534 800897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382111837 869367 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382112080 709724 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382113067 870305 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382113171 820123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382113200 640415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an INTERCAL kompiler, of course. < 1382113718 196629 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382113830 913148 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382114021 729249 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382114159 729391 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382114442 736948 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL compiler kludge < 1382114984 624646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's freezing in here. as a developer, I can't be expected to have good blood circulation! < 1382115116 810024 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear coffee can be used as an anticoagulant. < 1382115136 33057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but maybe you can be expected to adapt your clothing after temperature? < 1382115168 141872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally houses should take care of that, but sadly houses are frequently imperfect < 1382115174 3826 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear infinite loops work wonders < 1382115235 202583 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netburst jokes aren't as hot as they used to be. < 1382115335 528079 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382115351 453464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm at work, and forgot my hoodie at home. < 1382115423 111848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you should be fired for such a basic lapse in competence < 1382115444 864429 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382115480 142646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'd like being fired. that'd raise my body temperature enough that I can still feel my fingertips, and get to code. < 1382115557 842992 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382115565 165827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that backfired < 1382115591 836819 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, huddle for warmth with your fellow programmers < 1382115641 840627 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382115653 891899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fellow programmer went for lunch. the next fellogrammer is too far away (about 2.5 m West) < 1382115680 516644 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> west < 1382115681 819877 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `west' < 1382115681 965007 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `nest' (imported from Text.PrettyPr... < 1382115683 435712 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382115690 548140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> neset < 1382115691 776921 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `neset' < 1382115691 922081 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `nest' (imported from Text.PrettyP... < 1382115694 677929 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nest < 1382115695 747959 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1382115695 893226 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Text.P... < 1382115696 341795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why didn't you go for lunch? < 1382115714 485894 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I got done with lunch about half an hour ago. < 1382115735 763153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(delicious curry chicken and eggplant ratatouille over rice) < 1382115739 749117 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382115757 550955 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I should start thinking about dinner < 1382115763 676071 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1382115766 157742 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 NICK :nooodl < 1382115809 530960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: aha! you *are* the man eating chicken < 1382115936 125982 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something stupid chicken quote something something... < 1382115955 909404 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382116008 759106 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, this has to be a record for shortest-lived succession fort < 1382116145 912058 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, < 1382116147 521036 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, < 1382116148 573189 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, < 1382116179 124834 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, in other news, me and one of my friends may have started a University of York Homestuck society < 1382116215 643261 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382116235 835765 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you just use “elliott,” as a punctuation symbol? < 1382116246 966356 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1382116290 877402 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, can i join < 1382116294 300033 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any events < 1382116347 717257 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382116351 892133 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it served two purposes < 1382116355 768723 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, yes, and yes < 1382116367 32517 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a meet-up on the 30th at 19:30 < 1382116374 127628 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a real event < 1382116380 70032 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then no < 1382116387 82850 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't even have a name yet < 1382116415 502135 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nicholas cage appreciation society < 1382116452 183907 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1382116609 125727 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382116650 793862 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382116705 858105 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382117784 753894 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just take the fort for god's saaaake < 1382117832 455476 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, fine < 1382117846 333726 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out a way to transfer it < 1382117882 962276 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I kind of want to eat and watch Agents of Shield < 1382117890 219114 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do all three at once < 1382117915 777311 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mute the dialogue of agents of shield, that way you can listen to DF's soundtrack rather than whedon's dialogue < 1382117936 993920 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I watch Agents of Shield in the common room! < 1382117945 133406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1382117956 854233 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not moving my desktop a mile and a half just to play video games while I watch TV < 1382118007 492872 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck how are your halls laid out < 1382118020 597083 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly off-campus < 1382118040 429651 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :York's accommodation was over-subscribed < 1382118052 788030 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that now < 1382118064 788773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : +/ (* 0: = (3&| * 5&|)) i.1000 <-- i sense a lack of fizz and buzz. < 1382118066 744358 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing happened at warwick, apparently they changed the clearing rules for this year < 1382118080 962545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as it happens the halls are laid out in a really stupid way anyway < 1382118098 345266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that gives the sum of numbers in [0,1000) divisible by 3 och 5 (project euler task 1) < 1382118104 993925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1382118116 137895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, or* < 1382118129 368092 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: food < 1382118194 187232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1382118238 458605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [n|n<-[0..1000],gcd n 15>1] < 1382118239 695027 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 234168 < 1382118242 609861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't och supposed to be “and”, not “or”? < 1382118254 632215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was trying not to mention that. < 1382118291 763657 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: je vois. < 1382118345 375813 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382118352 120490 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb here's your save http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/region3 < 1382118352 266384 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382118386 584479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a vague sense that the distinction is slightly different than in english, so that it's not _entirely_ wrong to use och. although not wise in math. < 1382118407 4006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that maybe it's not clear in english either, outside math. < 1382118444 304853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically about how much of the phrase and/or/och/eller distribute over < 1382118467 12183 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I meant to write or < 1382118657 944564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or/och/eller/pis/oubedon < 1382118702 954717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf language is that < 1382118716 518595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible, terrible, vernacular Québec French. < 1382118746 816712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1382118760 660866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i recognized the "ou" part. < 1382118792 936342 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«oubedon» is «ou bien donc» mashed, mangled, corrupted and otherwise blended with a lawnmower. < 1382118829 859962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's no worse than what happened when french got made in the first place. < 1382118909 464175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading some claim that if you ignore the writing system, french is a highly agglutinative language. although i also recall disagreement with that. < 1382118943 84990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "je" is basically a subject prefix. < 1382118975 911584 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought somebody would have noticed romance grammar being agglutinative < 1382119006 624706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was french only, not the other ones. < 1382119031 177073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean italian still frequently _drops_ the equivalent word to je (io) < 1382119047 676289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think spanish is the same < 1382119076 448562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but french has mushed its original suffixes so much that it needs to keep the pronouns. < 1382119132 349222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when pronounced. < 1382119280 852388 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1382119437 476789 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382119543 11214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although e.g. german keeps the pronouns even if it has most of the suffixes left to do without them. < 1382119653 260717 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382119704 573464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's an "ick"? <-- the C-INTERCAL compiler iirc < 1382119747 380903 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382119771 142344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps wondering if Uguubee111117 is Kjugobe's evil twin. < 1382119988 419508 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382120049 156822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (delicious curry chicken and eggplant ratatouille over rice) <-- wait i thought quebec didn't have proper french cuisine. < 1382120069 920866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not very french, mind. < 1382120076 292356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the ratatouille. < 1382120114 645795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*é < 1382120383 132792 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French is I think the only romance language that retains extensive pronoun usage. < 1382120411 392099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm a man eating chicken of the World. < 1382120466 525145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1382120472 41048 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that. He's also a NaniDispenser. < 1382120473 983708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with written French, you *could* drop pronouns and maybe lose a little bit of information, but it's impossible with spoken French. < 1382120533 80293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ser./ser, and a Man Eating Chicken./' wisdom/boily < 1382120538 157200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382120544 885666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1382120547 772116 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that. He's also a NaniDispenser, and a Man Eating Chicken. < 1382120843 288219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1382120882 380859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old topic was starting to smell. < 1382120937 856380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic with perfume | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1382120947 178082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there. much better, eh? < 1382120974 857028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't _reduce_ smell, boily. < 1382121007 841176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the allergic. < 1382121079 60551 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic with environmentally friendly hypoallergenic perfume | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1382121111 874732 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you're going to point out that perfume is a known carcinogen or something like that, aren't you? < 1382121145 122613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah the fetal matter in it actually prevents cancer. < 1382121187 76944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries. < 1382121222 774936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hyperallergenic perfume < 1382121223 119640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fœtal, or fecal? < 1382121232 112846 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: patchouli. < 1382121523 154432 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 QUIT : < 1382121552 250393 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382121585 855644 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre < 1382121600 499248 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382122136 290929 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382122238 568183 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.255 QUIT :Client Quit < 1382122580 11526 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1382122602 456687 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382122669 986188 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382122683 140584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fœtal < 1382122702 162790 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:31:51: and then you're going to point out that perfume is a known carcinogen or something like that, aren't you? < 1382122707 481549 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles something about benzene < 1382122754 33039 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1382123139 326554 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382123393 795787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382123660 599459 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1382123673 662089 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6551:e6b8:7081:29d7 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382123909 21646 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382123937 249144 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people always complain about patchouli, but I think I never smelled it. < 1382124036 863481 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1382124247 378076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382125065 471495 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382125768 530006 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382125896 423268 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382125908 24613 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.255 QUIT :Client Quit < 1382125917 178988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's now a #rust-osdev (on irc.mozilla.org) and https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Operating-system-development < 1382125927 200289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they'd like to chat about Rust on Xen < 1382125950 632890 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the rust-osdev people met the nodejs-osdev ones? < 1382126010 38906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsrust < 1382126040 617550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I... didn't know there was such a group < 1382126070 97484 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like < 1382126078 114902 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm just naming it like that. there was that recent article about that Visionary Guy who Never Wrote Oses and would very much like write one with Nodejs. < 1382126143 257564 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone explain electricity to me. i'm dyin here < 1382126171 183357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: electron movement. < 1382126184 303029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I an absurd person for writing things like "$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")/foo" < 1382126194 390625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there A Better Way for a shell script to refer to another file in the same directory as the script? < 1382126201 262720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: including stuff that makes electrons move, but I can't explain that part because it makes my head hurt. < 1382126215 491237 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but like how come voltage is a difference in potential and then in circuits you talk about "voltage at a point". < 1382126234 2121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ./foo? < 1382126249 87507 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voltage at a point is an abuse of language. the reference in that case is implicit, and is the ground. < 1382126298 40151 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really confusing abuse of language ;_; < 1382126311 584321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: my working directory might not be the directory where the script lives < 1382126314 992438 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. took me ages to understand that one, and I'm a certified engineer. < 1382126316 171421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1382126329 756140 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps though. probably. < 1382126403 153734 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, take a simple circuit with an AA battery and a light. the + pole is said to be “at 1.5 V [relatively to the ground]”. < 1382126428 582099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because relating potential difference to the ground is the most common case, it gets thrown out because it is generally understood. < 1382126458 648391 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means that moving a a coulomb's worth of electrons from ground to that pole would take 1.5 J, right? < 1382126494 596851 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. it's the difference that is measurable, therefore we use volts. < 1382126516 604005 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know the starting point, we don't know the end point, but we know the difference between them is 1.5 J/C. < 1382126562 233092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the battery, through chemical work, is able to add that amount of energy per «paquet d'électrons». < 1382126575 232722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, electromotive force. < 1382126578 176456 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right, i've seen everything saying that about difference, and that's all well and good, and then they kind of ignore it. < 1382126578 737215 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382126640 828449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more confusing when, say, you have your nice DC circuit going on, and then you decide to plug it into the mains with a diode bridge. < 1382126655 883499 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are words you have arranged into a sentence. < 1382126684 719784 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like it to be translated in French? I can garantee it's going to make as much sense. < 1382126690 849138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1382126711 31422 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode_bridge < 1382126904 335015 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're running Linux, you should try ktechlab. < 1382126944 591303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. probably not. seems to be pretty much dead, and running on qt3. < 1382126963 813410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any easy-to-use electronics simulators out there... < 1382126973 7310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION solves the problem a different way < 1382127162 447840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw iirc the fact that you cannot determine more than differences in potential gives rise through noether's theorem to the conservation of charge. < 1382127257 652317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, adding any constant to all potentials is a symmetry. < 1382127279 706588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, element of a symmetry group. < 1382127303 214632 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're losing me. maths and me makes 3. < 1382127394 540891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1382127417 440396 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://123d.circuits.io/ ← looks interesting. < 1382127424 687917 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already too demoralized < 1382127440 901368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooo! < 1382127467 380571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noether's theorem is a wonderful theorem in physics that says that global symmetries imply conserved physical quantities. < 1382127491 701747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact you can only measure _position_ relatively, for example, gives the conservation of momentum. < 1382127504 231148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in a sense, time gives energy. < 1382127553 632170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1382127557 377980 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1382127559 596779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rotation/direction gives angular momentum. < 1382127585 439254 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be a lot better off if i could understand a tenth of everything noether did < 1382127612 529030 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bookmarks link for some later time when he's not drowning in his own failure < 1382127625 144366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the time one is sort of circular, i think, because this is all based on a formalism where you base physics on an energy function (the lagrangian or hamiltonian) < 1382127653 54672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you include the algebra work in that? :D < 1382127663 564436 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ↑ I think you have a nice example here of what it is to be oerjan. < 1382127671 954124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_____@ < 1382127672 99680 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1382127673 988024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1382127706 520711 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously. < 1382127714 103631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: note that i cannot actually use these formalisms myself. never had a proper mechanics course. < 1382127723 952653 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think noether i think conservation and something about chains. < 1382127730 772652 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6551:e6b8:7081:29d7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382127759 771761 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should bring my bro to this chännel again. he could strike interesting conversations with oerjan about that physics/mathematics stuff. < 1382127766 688584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, how does relative position thingy imply momentum conservation? < 1382127781 451776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliens. < 1382127782 802597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't recall noether did much _other_ than her famous theorem that was in physics. < 1382127805 670452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: er, math. < 1382127814 692661 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1382127826 266743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do an integral iirc. < 1382127872 27716 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6551:e6b8:7081:29d7 QUIT :Client Quit < 1382127880 452009 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Noether&to=Noggin_%28TV_channel%29 < 1382127928 242638 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess some of these are max. < 1382127928 576824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh also in case you don't already, maybe you'd like to know that noether was a woman. < 1382127950 887687 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that bit ^^; though I really should learn more about her < 1382127980 525467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think she's considered the greatest woman mathematician in history so far. < 1382128010 792812 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 NICK :carado < 1382128203 874628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i also think the italic ones may be redirects? < 1382128219 28226 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever < 1382128338 717032 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382128357 527542 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken, rechicken but not chicken och chicken < 1382128360 885756 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382128383 10706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to check euler, that was over a page < 1382128481 350746 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noether has done less math than euler and i have done less biology than darwin, yes < 1382128702 436223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin has a bit more, but i think many of those are just named in honor of him < 1382129701 673202 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382129754 190571 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382129817 392347 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1382130267 460895 :SingingBoyo!~sboyo@dhcp-128-189-206-118.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1382130363 730806 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382130408 191713 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1382130545 684301 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382130809 423248 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382131205 699534 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382131343 129680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when I've tried to write stuff like "$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")/foo" it has usually fallen on the lack of a useful and portable readlink program that is likely to be installed on the user's system < 1382131490 59470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to answer the actual question: yes, trying to solve a problem "correctly" is weird, normal people just throw together some half-assed broken solution like ./foo or $(dirname $0) < 1382131497 415152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even simply requiring that the script is run from a particular working directory < 1382131559 22919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm bored < 1382131583 681155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to symlink scripts around < 1382131586 855144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you're bored olsner < 1382131632 833092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : so like, how does relative position thingy imply momentum conservation? < 1382131642 843425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all lagrangian mechanics or something < 1382131652 433305 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382131652 731797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and yeah, istr that readlink -f doesn't work on OS X < 1382131663 304341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't everyone use Debian ._. < 1382131690 740290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like any symmetry in the laws of physics maps to a conservation law < 1382131707 538303 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to find a 1941 journal volume for something and it says that it cost $3 per volume for a subscription. < 1382131712 746697 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bullshit, modern world < 1382131731 48510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan said the same thing, damn him) < 1382131795 157806 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's around $48 in modern USD, christ. < 1382131832 739340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't think you can blame me when i actually started the conversation. < 1382131862 852744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru fax < 1382131879 608081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame you even more < 1382131904 26404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way lies disaster, Phantom_Hoover < 1382132823 432859 :SingingBoyo!~sboyo@dhcp-128-189-206-118.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382133400 191090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1382133597 964988 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know where I could get a set of gears to play with? With stuff like differentials or gearboxes. < 1382133612 534270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D printer < 1382133658 272886 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, scbearhol has a ceramics printer < 1382133661 44694 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :school* < 1382133664 195498 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bears i think < 1382133693 375411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a furry typo < 1382134262 866551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382134263 658211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1382134280 440469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382134481 844605 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382134607 701696 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382135510 639531 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382135873 200798 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library has Serbian mathematical journals from the seventies, and I just happened to pick the one that mentioned Aczel. < 1382136138 170089 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-175.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382136264 261363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, fucking aczel, right < 1382136292 712758 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1382136333 824856 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's the same one anyway, i don't know why else you'd write about... "saturated theories" < 1382136410 688066 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382136419 482146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday in my kitchen there was a discussion of Kant and RMS and it was decided that RMS doesn't understand Kant < 1382136432 33038 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand kant either. < 1382136438 44273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg me too bike < 1382136438 597931 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I'm ill < 1382136442 949673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1382136444 855370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? < 1382136459 596061 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coldy thing < 1382136471 541577 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocked nose, headache, the air tastes wrong < 1382136476 184734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresher's flu is, i believe, the medical term < 1382136485 861483 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasional throaty cough < 1382136499 639933 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel so bad about it because hegel seems to have understood kant weirdly. of course i don't understand hegel either. < 1382136505 324872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kant understand why < 1382136512 163108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i only got it in term two) < 1382136535 692890 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hegel's writing style is difficult and he called india a faeryland, oerjan. < 1382136557 871056 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think I've turned Les Miserables into a comfort film < 1382136595 75276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he couldn't stand kant because of his dialectic < 1382136650 225806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's stupid program: HTK. < 1382136653 110346 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382136674 766605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a film called Les Comfortables that you can use to get misery < 1382136714 539570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FillTabFromParm: cannot convert MELSPEC to MFCC_D_A_Z_0" < 1382136742 229081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no sensible reason why not, except that the code is a steaming pile of a turd. < 1382136752 318343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can categorically say that it's imperative to understand kant. < 1382136887 595200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the strongest thing i have ever heard fizzie say < 1382136899 836253 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1382136960 956100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :somefunction(float *data) { ... float *fp = data-1; for (i=1;i<=nframes;i++) ... fp[i] ... } I honestly thought the "let's make 1-indexed arrays by pointing pointers one before the start" thing was an urban legend or something. < 1382136970 266008 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a scary few minutes without me? < 1382136971 34795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a pervasive idiom in this codebase.) < 1382137036 696657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon_: yeah fizzie was telling horror stories < 1382137051 698992 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com NICK :drlemon < 1382137054 993935 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1382137059 343851 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, nickname is back < 1382137063 491582 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my goodness. < 1382137081 683415 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: iirc that's actually undefined behaviour or something! < 1382137088 222310 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what isn't < 1382137275 767160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It also uses a "Vector" datatype everywhere for "N floats plus a size"; that's implemented by a typedef float *Vector; and allocating (N+1)*sizeof(float) bytes, then doing *(int *)vector = N; to store the size in the memory that should be occupied by the first float, and then using vector[1] .. vector[N] for the actual storage. < 1382137302 459330 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. < 1382137357 678484 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1382137491 195571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's also a SVector type that allocates 2*sizeof(Ptr)+(N+1)*sizeof(float) bytes, puts two pointers in the beginning and then the contents of a Vector after, and returns a pointer there in the middle so that you can still use it as svector[1]..svector[N]. < 1382137522 465001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also ((Ptr*)svector)[-1] and [-2] to get at those pointers. < 1382137524 811801 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1382137530 542501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this makes for very clean code. < 1382137631 327924 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382137700 199886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/AbIj is another end result. < 1382138442 168967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: You want me topic what? < 1382138476 71128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fLib yes that is good thing. < 1382139082 481197 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382139313 994757 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382139322 967554 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1382139339 883696 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382139368 605069 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382139379 983522 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382139632 405273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, jesus, it's like this code has... broken you < 1382139657 770079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait but it's not MATLAB anymore < 1382139683 903543 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the matlab is coming from inside the c < 1382139796 310873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where most things come from < 1382139797 868933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately < 1382139835 727828 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382139940 474175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSX3piF5ww8 < 1382139945 674604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... want to get soundsense now < 1382140141 133527 :SingingBoyo!~sboyo@154.5.185.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382140176 191750 :SingingBoyo!~sboyo@154.5.185.114 QUIT :Client Quit < 1382140204 841010 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@154.5.185.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382140209 177838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382140218 541311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: It's not UB if you actually allocate space there! :P < 1382140252 703353 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that (int*) cast actually *does* invoke UB. < 1382140294 253531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think dynamic typing in and of itself doesn't bother me as much as the idiotic API design decisions that dynamic typing often acts as an enabler for < 1382140296 367224 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :"N floats plus a size" should be a typedef struct {size_t size; float array[]} *Vector; < 1382140311 802628 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you're a wuss < 1382140316 565699 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This argument can be returned directly from the function if this other thing isn't found. Unless the argument is a function, in which case it will be called" < 1382140320 402134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat sort of thing < 1382140331 130652 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sucks. < 1382140338 978302 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Racket < 1382140353 501150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably your mindset is what led to the "bondage and discipline typing" joke. < 1382140357 741848 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/hashtables.html?q=hash-ref#%28def._%28%28quote._~23~25kernel%29._hash-ref%29%29 < 1382140372 982203 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Does anyone know of a mathematician named Holden. Probably early 20th century, worked in analysis. < 1382140391 471894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382140391 617385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although at least in that case it's possible to write code that safely does what you want without needing to check types yourself < 1382140393 624628 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol nice. < 1382140404 856662 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Clojure's trampoline < 1382140442 192920 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncited references suck. < 1382140445 315838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/trampoline < 1382140459 189555 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that if you want to return a fn as a < 1382140459 335104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :final value, you must wrap it in some data structure and unpack it < 1382140459 335185 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after trampoline returns." < 1382140472 638817 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. it's at typo for Holder. Fuckin ggreat < 1382140512 425330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be crashing due to MAX_PATH. < 1382140515 658973 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't correct the author because they have been dead for fifty years. < 1382140517 232879 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATH IS HARD < 1382140558 241916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I have this file list, it's at /akulabra/projects/T40511/htkallas/reverb-challenge/sys/asr/lib_revmask_a19_b0p43_g1p4_bcmi_N1000_G5_T5_norm0_MFCC_0_D_A_Z_CEPLIFTER_1/flists/reverbWSJcam0/revmask_a19_b0p43_g1p4_bcmi_N1000_G5_T5_norm0_MFCC_0_D_A_Z_CEPLIFTER_1.lst < 1382140568 338515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some might consider that as a long path. < 1382140596 725088 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-175.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382140676 665439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't crash when I run it single-tasked; the parallelization introduces a couple more hoops to jump through, could be that pushes it over the edge. < 1382140676 946904 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Poincaré-Bendixson theorem for the Klein bottle" must be the most useful article in history