< 1382400066 684868 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382400389 668408 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382400503 924508 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382400796 829400 :augur!~augur@pool-96-241-145-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382400828 876396 :augur!~augur@pool-96-241-145-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382400832 194620 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382400859 995928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382400861 127522 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382400942 231285 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1382401084 863639 :augur!~augur@pool-96-241-145-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382401140 959992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/today-in-computational-necromancy-2/ < 1382401150 338408 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382401200 230657 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"simply transmit the program via the audio jack" is a pretty great phrase < 1382401229 439622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio jack of all trades < 1382401243 881775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1382401260 343152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I used to store my TRS-80 Model 100 programs as .WAV files on my parents' Windows 95 machine < 1382401366 530698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MIT intro signal processing class has a lab where you transmit data using speaker and microphone: https://github.com/keithw/onepingonly < 1382401382 573214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :o < 1382401542 526474 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1382402452 165136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also http://www.araneus.fi/audsl/ < 1382402560 218637 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity it can't do V.90. < 1382402666 869122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1382402680 542541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what's the fastest "real modem" standard you can implement with a sound card < 1382402730 499436 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly waaay faster than v.90. That's what winmodems *are*, so. < 1382402816 466436 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382402870 448143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble believing that you can go from 44.1k 16-bit samples per second to way more than 56 kilobits per second < 1382402880 817168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know though < 1382402890 926777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do winmodems really offload everything besides the DAC/ADC? < 1382402904 909559 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 44100 * 16 < 1382402905 963710 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 705600 < 1382402914 866675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess I'm using the word "offload" backwards of its usual meaning) < 1382402973 691441 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common soundcards often surpass 44.1k 16-bit samples (for no good reason) < 1382402978 957157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1382403031 234110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway this AuDSL does 96 kbps so clearly I'm wrong and it is possible < 1382403033 431514 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet distort the input < 1382403072 744277 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for 56kbps is pretty simple, FWIW. The audio channel it's going over is (effectively) 7-bit 8k mu-law PCM. < 1382403073 761210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I guess that just comes from 4-level amplitude modulation * 48 kHz sample rate < 1382403085 278082 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 56k. < 1382403092 270107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the POTS is? < 1382403095 605803 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1382403128 638484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :POTS is *actually* 8-bit 8kHz, but the low bit is stolen for in-band signalling on a regular basis, making it hard to use. < 1382403130 392616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AuDSL doesn't seem to have any error correcting code < 1382403178 443587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tricky < 1382403246 711397 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. 56kbps is the limit because that's literally the rate that POTS guarantees over digital switching. < 1382403265 236970 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's neat to know. < 1382403268 12668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1382403280 927114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the analog last-mile is good enough that you don't lose very much there? < 1382403284 258682 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean that you can read the signalling by taking the low bits off your telephone line < 1382403287 892993 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yup. < 1382403312 927141 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also why you only get 56kbps down. Because it only actually works when you can control the PCM coming out. < 1382403317 86444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I.. think so? < 1382403331 805664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that? < 1382403352 314536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end point of a 56k modem line isn't hooked up via analog last-mile. < 1382403383 758334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end at the service you're dialing into, you mean? < 1382403386 646354 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1382403387 129713 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this will inspire me to try figuring out the ethernet on my FPGA board again < 1382403406 940753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but I still don't see why that makes down different from up < 1382403864 635616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see the same problem I see with this chess problem? http://www.chessvariants.org/problems.dir/chaturangadehaas.html < 1382404049 844788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think there is another problem too. < 1382404142 395190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, probably just one. < 1382404451 681729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I pattern match rose trees, for example A(B C(D E) F G(H(I))) and I want to match A(? C(*) F G(?)) or whatever and then use the parameters received to do a replacement or some other program < 1382404695 187687 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382404884 773908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1382404920 412452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to ask anyone but nobody can know this yet. < 1382405061 13942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1382405083 435427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may also want to match it elsewhere in the tree, rather than only the top. < 1382405112 550637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tree is stored in a SQL table with one record per node, although if I can match in C that is good enough; such thing can be made to provide to SQL. < 1382405389 565201 :ion!ion@heh.fi NICK :ION < 1382405398 794745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HION < 1382405434 879308 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACHAF < 1382405443 955705 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MERRY INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY < 1382405458 790845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382405464 14039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idon'tparticipateinthat < 1382405541 702709 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382405662 216907 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382406046 664041 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/c2bc96625b70798ce816820ab3af7625/tumblr_muuav0Erwl1s1y5f6o1_500.png meanwhile in something bitcoin < 1382406123 608941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you participate in not spaces day instead? < 1382406401 956041 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1382407200 397616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*international* caps lock day? sounds communist < 1382407239 266278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :american caps lock day is 4 months later to avoid such associations < 1382407297 195142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the anarcho-libertarian sausage shop in Berkeley didn't seem to accept Bitcoin :/ < 1382407302 967771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have the guts to ask though < 1382407473 373586 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:c8:1f4a:2ff7:8eac QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382407496 121145 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:c8:1f4a:2ff7:8eac JOIN :#esoteric < 1382408052 193529 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1382408183 945551 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382408260 87107 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( DrRacket seems to like freezing when I make an infinite loop in what should be a different thread < 1382408293 272507 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382408364 102334 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382408684 313428 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382408727 832015 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382408904 736719 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382408946 120271 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382408988 764936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syncing on system-idle-evt seems to be working now, hmm < 1382408995 169357 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, just froze < 1382409886 237888 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1382410307 632422 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net NICK :augur < 1382410414 471548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw man you can't "actually" jump to the legacy vsyscall page at 0xffffffffff600000 on modern Linux < 1382410421 911504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it claims to be mapped executable but this is a lie < 1382410445 996961 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1382410516 878053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel traps it and emulates the old behavior because MUST NOT BREAK USERSPACE ABI EVER < 1382410528 369895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that the old way of making an extra fast syscall is now extra slow < 1382410536 444334 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WAI" < 1382410546 821217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a 100x performance regression doesn't count as breaking userspace ABI < 1382410573 99821 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, is this linux-gate.dso or whatever < 1382410584 964777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the old version of that < 1382410595 274574 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382410596 504468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just raw machine code mapped at a fixed address < 1382410597 832467 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysterious < 1382410603 306065 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sensible < 1382410605 843758 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382410625 830216 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why the page apparently has three syscall instructions followed by rets < 1382410628 985799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nice and simple but also very useful for exploit writers, to have a SYSCALL; RET sequence at a known address < 1382410636 620679 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't one enough < 1382410649 785653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this is the stuff for implementing clock_gettime() / gettimeofday() / etc. in userspace < 1382410652 789117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's one per call < 1382410657 9718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the generic syscall path < 1382410675 932606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on AMD64 you make a syscall using the SYSCALL instruction directly < 1382410679 236023 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the polling thing < 1382410699 319528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only on i386 that you go through the vDSO for all syscalls < 1382410701 220490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :polling thing? < 1382410706 755848 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1382410714 754278 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the one where linux writes the time into the page itself < 1382410721 475342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that yeah < 1382410757 735134 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382410765 995878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the legacy fixed-address thing is deprecated and so the code sequences were reverted to real syscalls in order to be less useful to exploit writers < 1382410825 642022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new (not that new) vDSO is an ordinary ELF shared object; the kernel maps it into memory and then passes its address to the dynamic linker, which links it like any other .so < 1382410848 838846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means its address can be randomized as well < 1382410895 49333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kinda dumb talking about this trivia because it's just trivia < 1382410919 424304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cool thing though. i like linkers even if i don't understand then < 1382410930 690769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can't solve hard problems and I just collect trivia instead but both seem to be useful so w/e < 1382410964 789467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.iecc.com/linker/ is cool < 1382411036 933912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should (re)read more of it < 1382411079 45783 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i've seen that < 1382411095 736437 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cool php errors maybe i should actually read it instead of uh *looks at tabs* something about tunicates < 1382411282 747469 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1382411587 229627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that many of the people campaigning for affordable housing in SF also want no new housing built anywhere < 1382411594 725648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just want all the people they don't like to stop trying to live here < 1382411610 832211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they want the govt to magically make housing cheap without a tax base of rich tech workers to draw on < 1382411628 502142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that the current city govt would be remotely capable of doing that in an efficent way, anyway) < 1382411639 709437 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see that thing i retweeted about silicon valley seceeding < 1382411643 303369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1382411662 768077 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty great that a journalist took it seriously < 1382411748 161646 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1382412118 37483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it's not clear that building a bunch of new luxury apartments will help < 1382412132 41086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might result in people like me moving out of the historically lower income areas, causing rents to fall there < 1382412144 599271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might result in more of us moving to the city from elsewhere < 1382412215 219387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :economics of housing are fucking weird and it's one of the areas where simple supply/demand analysis is most wrong < 1382412262 133863 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually know the few things i do about housing prices from a microeconomics class (since rent controls make for a good example) < 1382412268 640190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1382412271 278439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what things do you know < 1382412279 211031 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than you! < 1382412296 634204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that! < 1382412297 779800 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i remember that rent controlled apartments tend to have ended up in the hands of people who don't need rent control so much < 1382412307 430693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have basically no formal knowledge of economics < 1382412351 623242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm in a rent controlled unit and so are a lot of my fellow rich tech wanker friends < 1382412375 670629 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1382412438 111353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1382412445 839255 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf!!!!1!11!!1!!!! < 1382412487 925286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⱳɦỏả, ɗủɗẻ < 1382412503 553752 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds rent control... weird
< 1382412525 655605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1382412595 742382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rent control? < 1382412637 559902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: how are the pumpkins < 1382412642 274461 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any :( < 1382412666 150391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is cohalloween < 1382412675 14498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1382412779 241201 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Rent control is a scheme wherein governments mandate that a rent cannot increase by more than a certain percentage at a time. < 1382412845 218954 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly nuts when utilities are included with rent. < 1382412881 39407 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you live in New York State. C'mon, NY runs on rent control. < 1382412904 877648 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1382412906 864806 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still living in the apartment that my dad owns < 1382412944 841327 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1382412944 986689 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382413053 772478 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SF is worst than NY < 1382413071 846015 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382413105 891308 :zhr0!~wiz@a94-133-137-209.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1382413118 192593 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1382413136 962262 :zhr0!~wiz@a94-133-137-209.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thevenusproject.com/online-community < 1382413276 873045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1382413294 987893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome zhr0 < 1382413298 259672 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04zhr0: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 13hub 06for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 13deployment! 06For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 13wiki: 06http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 13esoterica, 06try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1382413422 507229 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least it's not porn. < 1382413439 879798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting porn < 1382413475 565455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it involves cybernating. < 1382413496 595774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, spamming ain't cool. < 1382413549 548529 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Books such as 1984 and Brave New World, and motion pictures such as Blade-Runner and Terminator 2 have spawned fear in some people regarding the takeover of technology in our society. The Venus Project's only purpose is to elevate the spiritual and intellectual potential of all people, while at the same time providing the goods and services that will meet their individual and material needs. < 1382413611 119502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people wouldn't use nervous system analogies to refer to any distributed system. < 1382413614 702889 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike seriously, spamming ain't cool < 1382413643 171462 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not spamming. I'm sharing information with the world. < 1382414115 73900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike seriously < 1382414124 338446 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1382414212 317872 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just one paste, that's not actually spamming, I hope < 1382414337 721810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save often! Floss regularly! Floss meaningfully! Floss athletically! Think happy thoughts! And above all, never forget: who is the Boss of you? Me! I am the Boss of you! < 1382414763 936137 :zhr0!~wiz@a94-133-137-209.cpe.netcabo.pt PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1382416183 829222 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382416369 864927 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike pls why u keep spammin < 1382416400 854013 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1382416404 984902 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1382416408 89337 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1382416410 73044 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1382416411 649068 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1382416413 672727 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1382416414 35607 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1382416415 321148 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1382416416 649355 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1382416417 889168 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1382416420 680859 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1382416422 713228 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1382416432 313123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my first driving lesson tomorrow < 1382416440 729837 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek < 1382416449 430504 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like riding a bike < 1382416505 482220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot < 1382416520 193107 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1382416537 227112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i heard driving lessons in finland are basically impossible < 1382416540 127325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well give up now < 1382416556 948050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hello, mnoqy. < 1382416561 831419 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1382416574 575039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about succinct data structures y/n < 1382416591 227450 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1382416599 911368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i wish i was succinct < 1382416660 268224 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1382416670 868686 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate doing impossible things < 1382416700 777248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, driving in finland is not actually impossible < 1382416706 783600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but braking is equivalent to the halting problem < 1382416760 25467 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, coming to a complete stop is just asymptote-chasing < 1382416799 688145 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered just adjusting your reference frame so that you're not moving < 1382416813 74931 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god that was the best joke ever < 1382416818 974687 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's i mean < 1382416823 327559 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1382416825 214798 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's i haven't read yet < 1382416829 662889 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will read it now < 1382416835 845865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel very good about my humor sense now < 1382416857 183368 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yours is um < 1382416865 151448 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 9/10 :) < 1382416874 511564 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also really good! < 1382416875 965094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to soften the blow < 1382416881 920035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i;m terible < 1382416885 44172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please remain seated until the plane has come to a complete stop. Thank you for flying Zeno Airlines. < 1382416916 273820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my average is 5/10 :'( < 1382416933 984397 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1382416973 40384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓜ ) < 1382416977 306321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓝ ) < 1382416981 270682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓞ ) < 1382416983 978660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓠ ) < 1382416986 383541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓨ ) < 1382417013 147699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to do impossible things. It may seem that some impossible things can sometimes happen, but I doubt it. < 1382417031 825510 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't it the definition of impossible things that they cannot happen < 1382417033 207276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, it's impossible for impossible things to happen. < 1382417044 870699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So most people conclude that they never do. < 1382417048 982552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's circular logic! < 1382417074 90598 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that have once been described as impossible may well be doable, but then that description, by definition, was wrong. < 1382417080 849784 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382417087 565959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i wish i was impossible < 1382417100 64454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently just braking me is though < 1382417100 371324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: O, OK, yes I suppose you would be correct about that. < 1382417101 228517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, Bike. you are < 1382417136 79795 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382417182 735959 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382418223 86248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais[...]@gmail.com turned out not to be ais523 :-( < 1382418511 16386 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382418661 878915 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382418832 736494 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382419346 736823 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1382419711 912218 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382419818 862941 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382419843 881364 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382419977 170224 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382420399 98276 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382420451 306530 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382420509 923506 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382420559 885589 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382420937 572654 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:c8:1f4a:2ff7:8eac QUIT :Quit: ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1382421873 168133 :asie!~textual@apn-37-7-90-31.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382422452 210846 :asie!~textual@apn-37-7-90-31.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1382423179 169401 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1382424648 64435 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1382425927 931041 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382426184 316721 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1382426816 585950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382427125 527433 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382427158 382399 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382427437 294854 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382427908 573860 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382428474 823892 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382428571 124736 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382429559 590404 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1382429703 144771 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382431976 437875 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382432269 102655 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111117 < 1382432519 861363 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382433750 861999 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382433877 863545 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382433878 9878 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382436352 738097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A DISCONTINUED MUCH AS IN THE REASONS HE'S A RECENT EVENTS HAVE PROMPTED BY AN OUNCE AT THE C. 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S. < 1382436370 521017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Even you make more sense than these results. < 1382436370 687709 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe its just my lack of a standard. < 1382436376 969515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Could be. < 1382436377 292417 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol this game is awesome. fnord, c. a compiled scheme rewrite seems the best way < 1382436540 341858 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1382437226 130120 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1382437765 586756 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382437774 978016 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1382437790 587594 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382438969 449613 :atslash!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382440838 322004 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/1owwcz/pupesoft_a_finnish_erp_app/ < 1382441103 111526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1382441843 243987 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1382441932 506203 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382442704 11228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh lolphp censors nicks? < 1382442714 667542 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1382442938 537811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was as easy to get around as expected. < 1382442971 107241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it keeps out the chaff. < 1382443024 284709 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HION < 1382443483 563179 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIREFLY < 1382443488 646124 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY < 1382443554 497520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly, a killer for hire. < 1382443601 802628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: OKAY < 1382444265 311462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382444275 732726 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382444291 994179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good croissant morning! < 1382444341 874595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think I did. < 1382444672 185070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should, to keep up with things. < 1382444838 600193 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my backlog has a backlog backlog, and on top of that I'm piling up this season's series. < 1382444877 175795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I have a bunch of bundles of books and stories to read, sets of albums to listen to, and a bluetooth device to pair.) < 1382445725 798716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's just one of those. < 1382445785 547364 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1382446001 588907 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382446049 828677 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one device that I still can't pair. why must it be so fscking complex? < 1382446534 906291 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382447526 160894 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1382448974 108272 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382450425 288573 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382450835 376830 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382450837 147203 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382450891 315705 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382450907 367741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good my-machine-froze morning! < 1382451000 716815 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382451083 291188 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382451142 631588 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1382451938 697594 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382451994 31736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382451995 876221 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382452071 326105 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382452156 519859 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is going on. second crash. < 1382452156 702310 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you need < 1382452162 140816 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, I do need. < 1382452162 423401 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you aren't allowed to put fnord rye-bread in it's place in the world is the best < 1382452173 419489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...............wut? < 1382452190 788197 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382452206 630881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what has knäckebröd got to do with my computer problems? < 1382452206 776277 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it is implemented in bef86 though. < 1382452218 172177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: OKAY. < 1382452218 462610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you need to be at the " object" metaphor. sue me.). it loses its < 1382452289 284883 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382452450 864316 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382452513 554454 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1382452524 702370 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382452536 65344 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1382452536 258933 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 221429Z 25018G34KT 8SM -RA BKN015 OVC035 09/06 A2968 RMK SF5SC3 RERA PRESRR SLP052 < 1382452542 840966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1382452542 986526 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Bound" to "Providing-For" < 1382452547 834560 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1382452548 155295 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought that you said you were 20 years old!" < 1382452548 301144 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a programmer, yes," she replied, < 1382452548 301305 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And you claimed to be very near two meters tall!" < 1382452548 301463 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You said you were blonde, but you lied!" < 1382452548 301565 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, she was a hacker and he was one, too, < 1382452548 744917 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had so much in common, you'd say. < 1382452548 890520 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They exchanged jokes and poems, and clever new hacks, < 1382452549 728514 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And prompts that were cute or risque'. < 1382452549 873964 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sent her a picture of his brother Sam, < 1382452550 733675 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She sent one from some past high school day, < 1382452550 879144 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it might have gone on for the rest of their lives, < 1382452551 786833 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they hadn't met in L.A. < 1382452551 932385 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your beard is an armpit," she said in disgust. < 1382452552 735382 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He answered, "Your armpit's a beard!" < 1382452568 909736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless bot. < 1382452756 567537 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382453157 971810 :FreeFull!~freefull@176.249.115.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382453160 511522 :FreeFull!~freefull@176.249.115.100 QUIT :Changing host < 1382453160 656977 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382453225 932976 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382453600 360110 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382454003 254026 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382454025 20675 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Dysfunctional programming language? < 1382454085 155175 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1382454099 836863 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be a new programming language I make. < 1382454108 253555 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a function. < 1382454144 962506 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following could be a Hello, World program. < 1382454147 604495 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTSTR("Hello, World!") < 1382454151 714468 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTCHAR(10) < 1382454171 109210 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are "Hello, World!" and 10 functions too < 1382454201 58663 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are values. < 1382454212 199762 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then how is everything a function < 1382454217 219522 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, World!" and a newline are displayed. < 1382454248 837019 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a function except the values < 1382454258 695094 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I mean. < 1382454287 921350 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i take it functions aren't values < 1382454307 82689 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh..yeah. < 1382454318 154315 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth Machine: < 1382454322 836164 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUTNUM(x) < 1382454329 403893 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LABELIF(EQUAL(x,0),"0","1") < 1382454333 905344 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBLDEFN("1") < 1382454339 471450 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTNUM(x) < 1382454344 149716 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO("1") < 1382454348 96128 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBLDEFN("0") < 1382454349 676724 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything interesting about functions? or by everything being a function do you just mean that you use the thingy(thingy,thingy) syntax < 1382454351 481341 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTNUM(x) < 1382454367 792180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is "satire" < 1382454371 407683 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define INPUTNUM and GOTO and LBLDEFN and LABELIF in your language < 1382454380 496863 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like you are programming a calculator. < 1382454391 496733 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUTNUM inputs a number to a variable as an argument. < 1382454395 177044 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'm imagining things like < 1382454402 535368 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapping lbldefn over some values < 1382454407 403870 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So INPUTNUM(x) inputs something and stores it into x. < 1382454434 390875 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: functions aren't values. map would have to be a special form. but there are no special forms. everything is a function. < 1382454439 94244 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBLDEFN("labelname") defines a label, and GOTO("label") works in the same way. < 1382454443 720459 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: zen < 1382454480 267475 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LABELIF(conditional,goto_label_true,goto_label_false) < 1382454489 829299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :map could be a "value" < 1382454493 876406 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: how are they different from simple keywords, though! < 1382454497 682056 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i meant, can you write a definition for them in your language. not an english definition. can you write a function that does exactly what INPUTNUM does, but it's written by you, and not a special part of the spec < 1382454514 188049 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: see: 08:05:49 is there anything interesting about functions? or by everything being a function do you just mean that you use the thingy(thingy,thingy) syntax < 1382454518 92803 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can define your own functions. < 1382454534 486224 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: but can they do the things that INPUTNUM and LBLDEFN and LABELIF do < 1382454541 752681 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'm going to socratically approach the "these aren't actually functions" wish me luck < 1382454550 687818 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNCDEFN(function_syntax,"codeblockname") < 1382454566 159422 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes a function that does whatever is in the codeblock. < 1382454579 690914 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODEBLOCK("codeblockname") defines a codeblock. < 1382454592 661259 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODEBLOCKEND("codeblockname") end a codeblock. < 1382454611 45901 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what do you mean by these things being functions < 1382454631 992862 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is partly inspired by spreadsheet syntax in Excel. < 1382454667 631514 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm caving in: JWinslow23: see, the thing is, these functions are not really functions in a meaningful way, they're just syntax that looks like function calls < 1382454671 583252 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write < 1382454673 701917 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto some_place < 1382454676 853949 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1382454682 30038 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO("some_place") < 1382454690 253470 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382454696 776301 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why does Functional exist? < 1382454697 960091 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not suddenly a function! functions have real interesting properties < 1382454731 539019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dysfunctional programming is already a thing on the wiki. for what it's worth. < 1382454736 840296 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Functional should not exist. < 1382454749 650112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/0x29A http://esolangs.org/wiki/Object_disoriented < 1382454771 541309 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional makes the same mistake < 1382454809 270066 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you it was satire < 1382454834 826886 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was "satire"? < 1382454948 797975 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1382454970 738968 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then can anyone help me make something like Brainmaker? < 1382455010 897785 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way < 1382455056 48980 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, but 2 dimensional, maybe? < 1382455078 26394 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how do you write ACTUAL code in Brainmaker? < 1382455086 765191 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got any good resources for learning Clean? I want to see what uniqueness types are about < 1382455092 388847 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh what's brainmaker < 1382455097 902118 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: tehz language < 1382455108 205721 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: you're familiar with tehz, right? < 1382455168 267366 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1382455174 55225 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're in for a treat < 1382455182 988728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainmaker < 1382455244 123262 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it just starts talking about "cells", like, < 1382455253 830857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: You define a language and then write your code < 1382455254 313893 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you damn well know this is a bf derivative so let's just get over with it" < 1382455255 287368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple < 1382455290 775736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there is no interpreter for it < 1382455337 912785 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll make one. HQ9+, maybe. < 1382455344 845711 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be right back! < 1382455347 652508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. can't we just... like... I don't know, maybe, perhaps like delete all those languages-which-are-very-boring-variations-of-one-another, and languages-which-aren't-even-esoteric-much-less-anything-at-all-i'm-looking-at-you-poison? < 1382455393 65816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainmaker is unique enough < 1382455403 847900 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'd kill people if http://esolangs.org/wiki/poison disappeared < 1382455411 965680 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite part is the terminology tehz invented & made a page about to describe it. mostly the talk page. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Meta_Turing-complete it still hasn't been deleted < 1382455483 979788 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(unless you are an admin?)" nice < 1382455535 18856 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently someone else invented it. i'll blame both of em < 1382455545 500788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: re: poison's disappearance: why would that make you violent? < 1382455621 557077 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a beautiful page < 1382455642 385731 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who remembers FURscript. who remembers Snack. < 1382455663 318733 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :esme... the language with the zombies,,, < 1382455669 965436 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats snack < 1382455674 566198 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i w-- yes < 1382455677 139787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will have had to be remembered feather? < 1382455685 195967 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP? ARE YOU CRAZY? LETS GET UP FOR MIDNIGHT DINNER < 1382455747 993874 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION performs a Mathes eqaution
< 1382455790 748041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION backs away from that bunch of demented esötericians...
< 1382455813 589889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I wasn't an admin at the time < 1382455824 387428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not allowed to be that rude to people now that I am < 1382455830 313514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I am but I feel worse about it < 1382455833 345616 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you're -- yes < 1382455836 946198 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Apple3.14 < 1382455860 810750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's painful to read me being mean to people < 1382455876 191165 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: what. the. fungot. is. that. < 1382455950 478083 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: nice < 1382455964 573174 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unusable < 1382456061 237915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs far, far away “I AM SANE! I AM SAAAAAAAANE!”
< 1382456200 251811 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/6ix this language (with variations on syntax) seems to be quite popular < 1382456232 958359 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I could not possibly implement the Q command, so instead, I made a Hello, World! program. < 1382456244 93277 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H : ++++++++++ < 1382456248 495707 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e : [?'!>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-&]> < 1382456253 214143 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l : + < 1382456257 60481 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o : . < 1382456261 495677 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, : >+.+++++++ < 1382456265 940246 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : ..+++.>++. < 1382456270 963261 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W : <<+++++++++++++++ < 1382456275 566918 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r : >.++ < 1382456280 6070 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d : .------.--- < 1382456284 172954 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! : -----.>+.>. < 1382456284 983153 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1382456288 655878 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1382456299 423290 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1382456302 254421 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was it. < 1382456573 550590 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an esolang idea... "inspiration"... < 1382456619 25651 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lay it on me... < 1382456649 212119 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sexy esolanging action! < 1382456670 286326 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just implement it. i think it might be boring, but i have to write it down and do some stuff in it first. < 1382456690 928721 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make the esolang page, and I'll make examples. < 1382456703 744942 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go! Run as fast as your little CPU can carry you! < 1382456754 260101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 6ix is even more boring than a brainfuck derivative, impressive < 1382456794 452634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a language so abstrusely boring for the records. something like a sort of “Able Line” of Esolangs. < 1382456821 119008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't respond to this until you tell me if you've misplaced the '?'s." i like this guy < 1382456874 577188 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: honestly i'm ok with sticking with http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck < 1382456901 426031 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh. in that case, my wish is fullfilled. < 1382456908 953650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Bike < 1382456913 105510 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Bike. Thike. < 1382456917 651936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks oklofok < 1382456919 64820 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, oklofok. Thoklofok. < 1382456970 533717 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? I < 1382456972 826239 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1382456980 948583 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? colour < 1382456983 91949 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106lour is 10a 1202p04henomenon 0810fr07om13 ou0211t050803e11r 1313s1302p04ace 13de0503sign02e13d0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02e 10h12um081206an04i02ty i07110214ns0709a0804ne an0614d 11bri0813ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l030610hu. < 1382456983 941361 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have two ideas for esolangs right now, which is a first, but it'll be a while before i can write them up adequately < 1382456991 774090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a first and second, surely < 1382456998 625798 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go! Run as fast as your little CPU can carry you! < 1382457008 177565 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the first time i've had two ideas!! < 1382457012 423472 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to quote myself, but I'm excited. < 1382457017 564086 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you excited about < 1382457027 629766 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new languages! < 1382457037 414571 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'm in a slump for ideas. < 1382457045 886386 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well neither of them can really run on proper CPUs so uh sorry < 1382457058 124786 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Why? < 1382457079 173867 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about nooodl_'s idea, "inspiration"? < 1382457090 189067 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one involves real numbers and the other would technically need a dedicated physics simulator i suppose < 1382457104 741935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's inspiration < 1382457170 454078 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote nooodl_, "i have an esolang idea... inspiration..." < 1382457224 482501 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make something that looks like a poem... < 1382457250 133706 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RhymeScheme, or Verses? < 1382457304 197696 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go. I only got a few hours for lunch. < 1382457319 321773 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to get the pages on esolangs.org, though! < 1382457327 59295 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1382457341 278708 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know how to deal with enthusiasm < 1382457362 187671 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382457395 632720 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i actually don't know how i should properly handle reading both code and input < 1382457398 728029 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1382457435 639256 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :read a code file from a command line argument and input from stdin i guess < 1382457555 389311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!liek thse < 1382457555 534909 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek thse < 1382457671 758237 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7c5a:1f39:cb5e:87fe JOIN :#esoteric < 1382457972 10675 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382458536 170877 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382459188 690569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1382459630 812081 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/WgkDbwNiGLAgVkQgWt1D/ < 1382459649 852706 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/6VJTQXq9diM71mx3IQ4N/ hello world < 1382459668 791819 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/XqnBhVRiUArmBdZzNFT7/ a loop that prints the lowercase alphabet < 1382459775 863175 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what this is capable of but writing anything in it is really annoying! < 1382459797 539682 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382459857 58798 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those should be code[y][x] in the command descriptions, of course < 1382459955 795956 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1382460920 736822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems quite capable. < 1382460962 996963 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1382461001 473186 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1382461001 618652 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382461123 973635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382461124 826113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of thing one writes a brainfuck translation to. < 1382461159 148091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an unbrainfuckable language. < 1382461385 629011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madbrain . < 1382461515 69624 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloman. < 1382461518 455866 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see! < 1382461611 569094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see you too < 1382461621 681278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember if i've ever seen you at all. < 1382461664 381652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. I managed to compile the language you were working on on my machine. < 1382461676 909522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382461678 984085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque? < 1382461687 148898 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one. < 1382461749 167962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1382461760 329960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires a bunchload of haskell packages :) < 1382461798 146130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know, you vile dependenter! < 1382461810 76737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1382461816 841680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of those are for statistics functions I think < 1382461842 813772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382461844 186562 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to the Fizzian Graphs, we overlapped in Summer 2012 and February 2013) < 1382461844 923279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1382461858 672113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskeline mtl and digits < 1382461863 691334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and web-encodings < 1382461874 704779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :web-encodings were hairy to get online, iirc. < 1382461879 277093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1382461883 11010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now deprecated :) < 1382461920 469460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://sprunge.us/iSXR there's an (untested) translation from brainfuck to that. < 1382461936 947295 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are these fizzian graphs located? < 1382461947 371242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ < 1382461955 115177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which reminds me, should update them.) < 1382462007 217417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Fizzian Graph”... doesn't it sound like the title of a thriller? < 1382462062 592734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphs: uptodated. < 1382462144 443155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque has gotten quite messy < 1382462150 164778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still too many features are missing < 1382462152 682944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1382462174 893766 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/fig/charfreq_z_20y.png mhm < 1382462176 982292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wd{{ri}f[}m[f:sp < 1382462182 138822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still too long for my taste < 1382462198 161928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 2005 was well-known as the year of the z. < 1382462202 842194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (926) < 1382462204 514632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (926): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1382462228 794027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :źź :: źź < 1382462240 591078 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_presence.html who do i kill to get on this list < 1382462250 475920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: You. < 1382462262 737425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1382462269 956753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the newest version it's wd{:ri}m[f:sp < 1382462274 708386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does include uppercase "Z", and does it count multiples if there is multiple "z" in one message? < 1382462276 547787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you need to get a quote homologated in the PDF. < 1382462282 750470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better < 1382462298 299177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks shachaf < 1382462316 996359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is source-codes of this quotes PDF still available all the time? < 1382462335 265116 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is. private github repo :D < 1382462346 339649 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there should probably be a terms graph for 'hth' < 1382462360 715889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1382462365 315878 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why is the repo private? (admittedly, i feel cool about being part of the cool club) < 1382462372 184686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It does include uppercase "Z", and it does count multiples. (In other words, it's (total amount of Z's)/(total amount of characters).) < 1382462374 353392 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's some kinda fucked up cave < 1382462394 695637 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the Clubbe of Secret Wisdomme \LaTeX{}) < 1382462397 695017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It wasn't really such a hot topic when the graphs were first made, but that's certainly true. < 1382462401 330437 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: because I can. < 1382462408 647714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I couldn't convince many people to golf in it on golf.shinh.org :( < 1382462423 279225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like how I stopped sleeping sometime in 2009 for a bit < 1382462427 428495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :three or so golf < 1382462458 120774 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: packaging the source for you. < 1382462489 608696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Do you have raw links for source files so that someone knowing the URL can check for updates? < 1382462519 684882 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: inorite < 1382462535 509819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That way it is not necessary to do it manually) < 1382462599 689536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's is really trippy < 1382462610 777520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even I can manage that kind of slant < 1382462624 559940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I'd say the github repo is your best source. it has update times and stuff and commits. < 1382462656 927461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/the-pdf.tar.bz2 < 1382462679 7437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have access to private github repo though < 1382462717 843691 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd very much like to add you, but you don't seem to exist. it's very Canadian of you, but pour les besoins de la cause, you'll have to materialise an account. < 1382462769 750602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't have any nor intend to add some; GitHub always runs very slowly and sometimes crashes so I don't use it. < 1382462775 159744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1382462779 458482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tu parles francais? < 1382462808 533700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: il semblerait que je suis le francophone résident du channel. (d'ailleurs il faut que je convainque Roujo de revenir) < 1382462848 172898 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen aussi parle français, y'a Taneb qui nie parler français, d'autres qui font des horreurs avec google translate plutôt cocasses (I'm looking at you oerjan). < 1382462854 333340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't spoken french in like 6 years < 1382462861 269137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely remembery anything. < 1382462864 572882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1382462871 360635 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you conjugate your verbs :D < 1382462877 320488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I studied it for 8 years < 1382462884 888834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 years for nothing < 1382462969 876323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on doit conjuguer les verbes. < 1382462982 513099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you worry. French is a drug in which it is very easy to relapse. < 1382462995 40471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis, tu es, il est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont... < 1382463006 561849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1382463017 617930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjugation isn't really the problem < 1382463026 473381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just learn the few regular ones < 1382463030 265329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn a few irregular ones < 1382463038 975654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume everything you don't know is in fact regular :) < 1382463071 994757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1382463078 144906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start learning vocabulary again < 1382463093 767654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently I have to learn spanish < 1382463094 733106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1382463102 619133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quelle domage! < 1382463109 145278 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1382463111 221161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dommage < 1382463113 745600 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«quel dommage». < 1382463114 608624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quel < 1382463115 429374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :se < 1382463117 300224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dommage is masculin. < 1382463117 445756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see < 1382463142 197533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jái oublie < 1382463149 760834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my terminal fucks up unicode again < 1382463161 752902 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck jái < 1382463161 898100 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1382463178 858970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :j'ai oublié? < 1382463182 241979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oughta be correct < 1382463185 266021 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so. < 1382463188 872942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1382463203 771505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis rigolé < 1382463215 50198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :euh... attends un peu pour celle-là... < 1382463227 99417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«je suis en train de rire», peut-être? < 1382463249 348512 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382463252 680936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :je ne sais pas :( < 1382463267 4257 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your original intended sentence? < 1382463293 808739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm laughing? < 1382463306 893255 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that the most important thing to say when learning a language is “I forgot”. well, second most important after “One pint, please”) < 1382463309 781414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is je suis rigolé past? < 1382463318 874602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1382463322 191704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's with avoir < 1382463326 839918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j'ai ri. < 1382463334 941195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot the distinction between parfait and imparfait < 1382463343 478580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means “I laughed”. < 1382463346 48604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the conjugation of imparfait anyway < 1382463369 666760 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imparfait in French is a misnomer. it's used for just about anything except what should be true imparfait. < 1382463370 608793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tengo que estudiar mucho. < 1382463390 914222 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pienso que el español es más facíl que el frances. < 1382463402 250817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I remember it imparfait describes past conditions < 1382463403 135241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1382463408 800588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as you said, I forgot just about everything from Spanish. < 1382463409 48218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was cold" < 1382463413 372298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parfait describes action. < 1382463417 328743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Il faisait froid». < 1382463421 489582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui < 1382463430 836636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Il faisait trés froid cette nuite! < 1382463439 736259 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh, un «nuite»! < 1382463443 341043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nuit < 1382463445 760987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nuite? < 1382463445 928707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken like a True Quebecker! < 1382463470 696662 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mispronunciation dating to 17th Century French. < 1382463476 362295 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuitte, frette, icitte, litte... < 1382463489 658602 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(night, cold, here, bed) < 1382463665 705764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really say icitte? < 1382463681 675873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre, monsiour < 1382463686 15848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trés bizarre < 1382463687 942978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsieur < 1382463706 53580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ultimate goal is to speak 4 languages < 1382463721 439302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :German, French, Spanish, English < 1382463732 257978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Swiss German, as it is my native language :) < 1382463771 920135 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you've listed the language in order of increasing utility. < 1382463775 102260 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages < 1382463789 649760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1382463813 387630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said swiss german last < 1382463817 394078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's most useful. < 1382463836 471170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most useful < 1382463854 81287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :la choose le plus utile < 1382463860 60665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however comparision were done again in french < 1382463874 787113 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the germans were mutually intelligible. < 1382463913 481746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1382463920 170750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that supposed to mean? < 1382463931 749699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all germans understeand each other? < 1382463936 788365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even german < 1382463938 579461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a german speaker from switzerland could understand one from germany. < 1382463952 387382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: definitely not. < 1382463956 915448 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame < 1382463962 413938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they speak the standard german < 1382463966 54684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise no < 1382463988 531484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even all german speakers of switzerland don't understand each other < 1382464007 102011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some dialects are just too different < 1382464034 940124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some regions you just switch to the most common variation of swiss german to communicate < 1382464061 379391 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/2013091200] < 1382464068 8102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to modernization and big cities those dialects intermix to new dialects < 1382464073 107480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are much closer together < 1382464263 692354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ones that can't be understood by everyone are slowly mourir < 1382464284 646305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :descending into the state of not being spoken anymore < 1382464378 848997 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382464437 734104 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaarughghgh! sudden meetings! < 1382464497 120903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you include my client address in the quotation of the quit message even though not included in the other messages? Would it be more clear just include the address once in the appendix or something like that? < 1382464524 676532 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's how it was logged in the `quotes. I can change it for your convenience. < 1382464553 984449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't intend you to change it only for my convenience; I was simply asking why it is logged like that in HackEgo. < 1382464577 503755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem the best way to do it as far as I am concerned. If you disagree you can say so of course. < 1382464579 51029 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things are as they are, it's because they were so. < 1382464590 362166 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382464594 336893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and I'm one lazy bum. < 1382464602 699094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to find out what kind of things you can stream from, say, Netflix, without making an account? < 1382464617 36062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they've got some kind of a "first month is free" thing, but still. < 1382465031 890697 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's people_presence chart kinda looks like it bifurcates in 2011 < 1382465051 460149 :_grotr!~Adium@134.29.63.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382465058 966477 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome _grotr < 1382465062 35035 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​10_09grotr: Welcome to the i10n08ternational hub f09or esoteric 06pr10og07ramming language11 design a09nd dep04loym09en09t! For more information,02 10check14 out our w13ik08i: http:12//esolang14s.org/04wiki/Main_Page. (F09or the o06ther ki03nd o06f esoterica,10 try04 #esoteric o08n irc.da11l.net.) < 1382465080 864869 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382465113 920837 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : dommage is masculin. < 1382465133 50681 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: oui? et? puis? que? < 1382465135 365117 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know this :( < 1382465181 171664 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :les genres et moi... ça ne marche pas < 1382465230 445957 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :à moins d'être né dans un milieu francophone, c'est à peu près certain que le monde vont faire des erreurs de genre. < 1382465302 469299 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anecdote: les gens de Montréal disent «le bus» (/lə.bʌs/), et à Québec c'est «la bus» (/la.bys/). < 1382465445 954493 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouais, en néerlandais le genre est aussi un bon «shibboleth». les deux articles sont «de» et «het» mais les non-néerlandophones ont l'air de dire «de» partout < 1382465529 14289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. il faudrait que j'apprenne le néerlandais. le plus proche que j'ai été était la fois où on était en vacances en famille à Aruba. < 1382465567 952738 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mais ça devra patienter. dans l'ordre, il faut que je me remette au japonais, que j'apprenne des bases de mandarin et de cantonnais, faire un détour par l'estonien, puis après ça on verra bin. < 1382465703 677230 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :il paraît que c'est la galère, apprendre le néerlandais! < 1382465789 18763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should add some wisdom files for other esolangs too. < 1382465988 824940 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of: a map of genders for countries in russian http://i.imgur.com/rEHizAI.png < 1382466041 159773 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the French version → http://i.imgur.com/PTZjh8V.jpg < 1382466076 825535 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the ones that are plural in Russian are plural in English too? < 1382466098 890743 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :United States, United Arab Emirates, the Philipines? < 1382466101 140137 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how? it sounds interesting. < 1382466129 501460 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 means `learn befunge (blah blah blah) < 1382466176 209649 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: wow. what are all of these article-less countries < 1382466176 408276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that'd deserve a split with its own chapter... < 1382466184 994519 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :madagascar... < 1382466188 66554 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuba. < 1382466192 744892 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yemen? < 1382466201 886165 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oman < 1382466205 420037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I mean add `learn befunge and whatever other esolangs they have < 1382466207 306966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't say «La Cuba», just «Cuba». < 1382466225 846790 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages are there already? < 1382466230 647889 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet, ursala... < 1382466235 393994 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382466235 669647 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck < 1382466237 315521 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. < 1382466264 159748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Write an entry for Befunge, please. < 1382466264 342342 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i prefer to get in... < 1382466269 366682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1382466269 613359 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but i'll wait 10 years and hopefully be able to contact you fnord from the for loop < 1382466271 440159 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1382466278 851497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're *already* in. < 1382466279 1228 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm just a beginner :) :) :) :) < 1382466294 864479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chess < 1382466296 781946 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation. < 1382466302 678901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ that one was fun. :D < 1382466334 219479 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go < 1382466336 426009 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1382466372 551600 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382466387 39876 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382466462 989698 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382466496 98669 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how many points are said territories worth?! < 1382466587 185800 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Taneb's worth < 1382466587 336405 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1382466829 510335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many points are you worth? how tall is imhotep? what is the capital of Canada? < 1382466881 252608 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17, 6 foot 8, Yellowknife < 1382466910 949722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1382466931 730537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be the most creative answer I have seen about Canada's capital... < 1382466977 717626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think is the capital of Canada? < 1382466977 914169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you can kill yourself easily :) the two rules are pretty simple themselves < 1382466988 253704 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1382466996 361232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot thought I was asking about Go instead < 1382466996 544430 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hmmmm. when i did it < 1382467002 577079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "Yellowknife is the capital and largest city of [...] Canada." < 1382467016 884835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I knew that before < 1382467017 409429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you have other stuff in the `? too, not only esolangs you could make up a lot of stuff including Imakuni?'s pokemon cards (which makes your own active pokemon card confused), and the Dungeons&Dragons < 1382467059 301619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I've asked you before, but I don't remember the answer, so: have you played Pokémon Card GB2? < 1382467078 677348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes I have done < 1382467081 235630 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that “[...]” seems very evil. its aura emanates silenced and tortured paragraphs... < 1382467134 348019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, okay. I wish they'd do a sequel of it for the 3DS < 1382467143 309388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thousands of informations of canada crying out in terror < 1382467174 504045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like the old rules though; I think the new rules and cards damage the positional nature of the game. However, a thing I would like to see is Limited format play. < 1382467252 92172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......... < 1382467369 383064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard needs a bath :/ < 1382467372 216568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Did you make up any other Pokemon card puzzle? < 1382467382 649294 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope :( < 1382467414 160080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see, though. Have you seen my puzzle.5? < 1382467450 360650 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I agree about preferring older rules. I stopped playing the TCG around when the EX sets were first released < 1382467459 960504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have < 1382467481 231694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where do I find puzzle.5? < 1382467488 433258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at it now if you want see if you understand it. http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.5 < 1382467559 167725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote terminology.txt in the same directory < 1382467604 650314 :_grotr!~Adium@134.29.63.138 PART :#esoteric < 1382467678 931102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also mentioned different tie breaking rules which I prefer rather than the ordinary ones. < 1382467809 342236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think your puzzle is economical. Mine tend not to be. < 1382467830 366182 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1382467847 32279 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382467876 974804 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember my puzzle, haha < 1382467888 802648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yours is puzzle.4 if you want to review it) < 1382467906 494043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out puzzle.5 yet? < 1382468029 954634 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really check it out yet, let me see < 1382468066 28144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you bathe? < 1382468066 367209 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think i'm forgetting my japanese". fucking read what i've said about fnord i plan to ( fnord fnord) ( gcc version 3.3.3 ( suse linux)) 1 < 1382468152 649097 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking read what i've said about fnord < 1382468165 537736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't have to be so aggressive, dude. < 1382468165 800457 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't think that is an issue with my example code. the more projects try to emulate it or something like that < 1382468271 674158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this game? < 1382468302 126878 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm, resistance against fighting < 1382468322 263522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I put that in there on purpose. < 1382468359 378520 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382468363 87443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the straightforward approach with using kabutops' first move on gengar is a no-go < 1382468371 460008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also notice most of your own cards have the wrong energy; that is also on purpose.) < 1382468388 561378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Correct; it doesn't work. Try again. < 1382468505 180201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1382468772 90075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you check all of the cards in hand? < 1382468787 898837 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1382468806 149604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty draw pile means I have to win this turn (or somehow put cards back in the draw pile), right? < 1382468808 369310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halting problem is solvable for FSMs and LBAs right? < 1382468818 593716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes. < 1382468848 880343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clean doesn't seem to have a REPL < 1382468906 287772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm < 1382468943 679148 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halting problem is solvable for flying spaghetti monsters and logical block addressing??? < 1382469007 488101 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382469019 318037 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who or what do you believe in? < 1382469019 472684 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you saying that there's something odd about the irc protocol < 1382469026 429483 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes I am. < 1382469026 787349 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: stop apologizing. that's just m- and m-, and yes. < 1382469036 54676 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I'm too tired for this :P but I think it isn't possible to solve this turn, so you'd have to grab the maintenance and put two cards in the draw pile < 1382469052 119211 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose order somehow is unimportant < 1382469077 211909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1382469080 601539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Do you want some other kind of hint? < 1382469085 604724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no package for me at andover < 1382469104 908878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382469545 909758 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382469557 127788 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1382469563 141986 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1382469572 964198 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382469919 226491 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia! < 1382469921 790690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :( < 1382469952 133532 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the box. < 1382470073 957474 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382470345 320566 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382470428 916344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just send it to my home < 1382470448 396701 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1382470449 29890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't get there for 2 more weeks, but then, you aren't going to send it by then either! < 1382470472 580998 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is ashamed
< 1382470524 957622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have your thank you postcard already... < 1382470566 280667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is guilty, and has pictures of an anime character receiving words through his heart
< 1382470567 384036 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1382470611 119653 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: tonight. I'm printing your address and having it delivered. < 1382470660 6009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I andover it now, or should I forward it to your home? < 1382470677 884699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am no longer in me < 1382470683 715339 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1382470719 125315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1382470736 884919 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: welp. I screwed up, and now quintopia is angry! < 1382470750 514904 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :angry? < 1382470754 642604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANGRY???? < 1382470768 76043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WOULD I BE ANGRY???????!!!??!!??? < 1382470917 948112 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382470976 127989 :Molotok!~chatzilla@95-28-201-254.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1382471090 876711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: what has knäckebröd got to do with my computer problems? <-- let's just say eating knekkebrød close to a computer keyboard may not be optimal. < 1382471091 146509 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2) session timeouts? :p ( heh, guess so. it's nothing like the fnord < 1382471102 993408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OKAY < 1382471121 922668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might get around to that part eventually, the logs are big today. < 1382471147 415695 :Molotok!~chatzilla@95-28-201-254.broadband.corbina.ru PART :#esoteric < 1382471555 439623 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382471751 355966 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382471984 906251 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382472026 596493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the halting problem is solvable for LBAs, right? < 1382472030 608459 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1382472037 837222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so i take it functions aren't values <-- that _does_ sound dysfunctional. < 1382472038 807920 :ping!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7c5a:1f39:cb5e:87fe JOIN :#esoteric < 1382472049 198228 :ping!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7c5a:1f39:cb5e:87fe QUIT :Client Quit < 1382472053 817727 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yeah < 1382472069 274774 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of states they have is proportional to some function of the length of the program < 1382472080 344711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it occurs to me that something like "Super BILF" could actually have been implemented < 1382472102 512680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had three outputs: 1) halts 2) loops 3) overflows memory < 1382472114 383833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. the space hierarchy theorem of complexity is basically proved by showing you can solve the halting problem for a machine with a bound on the space with a machine with a _slightly_ higher bound, proving that they are all distinct classes. < 1382472165 929000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so linear can be solved by O(x^1.2), e.g. (or something like that, i don't quite recall how small the steps are.) < 1382472186 651693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and the proof looks like "simulate the machine and track its memory history, halt if it halts or repeats a state from its history"? < 1382472224 317389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. basically just modify the usual halting theorem proof, i think. < 1382472242 66937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait < 1382472244 981561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, yes. < 1382472326 166124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual halting problem proof is modified to prove the classes are distinct. i assume, it's been a while since i read this stuff. < 1382472362 584088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure i literally read that proof, but this stuff is afaik "obvious if you know the principle". < 1382472913 464670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who remembers FURscript. who remembers Snack. <-- who could _forget_ snack. < 1382472945 498366 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me... < 1382472955 601433 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 How's Underlambda going? < 1382472955 746618 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382472976 99083 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1382472986 339535 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover Remind me to send you the fortress < 1382472986 484790 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382473054 351698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* boily runs far, far away “I AM SANE! I AM SAAAAAAAANE!” < 1382473057 667837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1382473059 801535 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1382473090 223538 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've got commit access to the dreaded PDF < 1382473102 564127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: indeed. < 1382473104 375415 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could think of anything evil to do, I'd do it < 1382473121 14673 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe put nefarious referrals in it < 1382473137 574771 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nefarious? what kind of nefarious? < 1382473150 288201 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devilish < 1382473191 494303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try me :p < 1382473226 601863 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382473458 690456 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 How's Feather going? < 1382473458 874328 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382473476 714025 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, Feather is already completed < 1382473494 564027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it retroactively complete itself? < 1382473510 856591 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the first ever programming language, first implemented in 1821 < 1382473533 702052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it retroactivate itself into 1821 instead of now? < 1382473560 632677 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ais523 thought it'd be funny < 1382473835 462042 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1382473896 689445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p must be an inetger less than n" < 1382474040 358251 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's define a point P, and call it Q. < 1382474370 847914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is about radio, but there's something that makes it fancy. (Been listening to websdr again.) < 1382474460 885931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: dook dook dook dook dook dook dook dook dook dook... < 1382474465 377945 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382474873 351047 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382475027 233053 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, tomorrow I'll see people like Neil Mitchell and Phil Wadler < 1382475262 55125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :original gangstas < 1382475420 878202 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i saw your brainfuck-that thing translation. looked pretty neat! < 1382475426 112223 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1382475433 950211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Users of the Paperclip gem are encouraged to upgrade to the latest version of Cocaine." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ruby-security-ann/3XTGFbAJoTg < 1382475470 975192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of a folder I had back in my windows days "Alcohol 120% With Crack" < 1382475700 687053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh, I remember that program back when I was a terrible pirate in high school I guess xD < 1382475729 180491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr < 1382475729 460347 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye Aye Cap'n < 1382475754 987475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: @yarr and @arr are two different commands with a different collection of replies < 1382475761 474602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 < 1382475793 977581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1382475801 571799 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of fun facts < 1382475909 307662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr < 1382475909 453093 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh scurvy dog... < 1382475924 108059 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yard! < 1382475924 270732 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll crush ye barnacles! < 1382476293 838234 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382476543 371054 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382476739 901249 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382476750 341050 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382476819 466565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Linux have a syscall for bulk stat() of many files, I wonder < 1382476931 907066 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382477110 776788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be worthwhile? < 1382477190 295036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some programs (like git) do thousands of stats in a row, and the results should mostly be cached in the kernel < 1382477202 659089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the system call overhead might be significant < 1382477205 99424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know really < 1382477221 250152 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382477872 193629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int i = 0; i < 100000000; i++) syscall(__NR_getpid); takes 9s on my system (11 million syscalls/s?) < 1382477897 434356 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, that's fast < 1382477908 338135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with fstat(0, &st) instead it takes 15s < 1382478149 992067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat("foo", &st) on a (constant) filename in the working directory took 37s < 1382478152 210737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a longer path with a couple of directory components, 70s < 1382478318 99958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so file name lookup is slower than system calls? (fstat might be special though - file descriptors could have a direct pointer to their stat data for example) < 1382478369 54764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tarr < 1382478369 203756 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yarr arr < 1382478380 319334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles madly
< 1382478402 915264 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382478418 398537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1382478444 891122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about Elias-Fano encoding < 1382478449 183421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1382478456 455606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1382478496 830425 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't file name lookup a system call? so like, it's a system call + some other things < 1382478570 432823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ~100 ns for a syscall is about in line with what I've heard, yeah < 1382478574 894763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYSCALL instruction is pretty damn fast < 1382478611 874672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo SYSENTER < 1382478618 14012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: no, system calls usually take paths... and besides actually opening a file (which requires read access at least), there's no "resolved file name object" thingy < 1382478628 386351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you seen http://semipublic.comp-arch.net/wiki/SYSENTER/SYSEXIT_vs._SYSCALL/SYSRET < 1382478658 888618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner's for loop test takes 3.716s real time (0.452s user, 3.256s sys) here. < 1382478663 179297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1382478677 886591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a "resolved file name object" would just be a file descriptor/description yeah? < 1382478698 15279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there tend to be calls for those to e.g. fstat(), fchdir() < 1382478704 29352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdirat() < 1382478708 733937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk_dire_rat() < 1382478725 120321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, readdir() or similar doesn't give you a file descriptor. < 1382478770 407751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so like, looking up a file name doesn't go to the kernel? < 1382478804 486764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking up a file name in what? < 1382478820 286220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Names are not looked up separately, is I think the point here. < 1382478840 494191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for the aforementioned file-descriptor-taking syscalls.) < 1382478871 783827 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1382478961 293128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could systemtap-or-something out how much of the time spent inside a single syscall is taken by name-lookup-related operations, but it's still happening inside the call. < 1382479015 799177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The syscall underlying readdir (getdents) is, incidentally, a bit more bulk-style interface, since it takes a struct linux_dirent * and a count, and returns multiple entries at one go.) < 1382479170 358923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the dirent structure includes a type field for the block device/character device/directory/fifo/socket/symlink/file distinction, which I suppose could have been put there to cut down the number of stat calls necessary.) < 1382479922 889116 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382479948 337309 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why are syscalls 3x faster for you? < 1382479959 370829 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw I have a http://ark.intel.com/products/33923/) < 1382480032 396229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe somethingwith like, XSAVE and XSAVEOPT? < 1382480348 713902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have no idea. (And a http://ark.intel.com/products/75047/) < 1382480467 556235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd test on the workstation at work too, but it's got 400 CPU% of MATLAB whirring, and I'm afraid that'd skew the result somehow. < 1382480470 628982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XSAVEOPT is only on sany bridge and ltaer I think? maybe that has something to do with it < 1382480490 795176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sandy bridge and later < 1382480551 776970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, a thing that only saves the parts of the processor state that have been used? < 1382480555 291688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zany Bridge, Intel's rehash for clowns. < 1382480566 404726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1382480609 791265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's nice and newer, maybe they optimalized something < 1382480840 880511 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :current matlab joke: mat=ones(s1,s2); [~,j] = find(mat==1); for i=i:length(j): ...code that doesn't touch j but assigns to mat(:, i) every iteration... end < 1382480965 198906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, linux does the lazy saving and restoring of floating point registers so I think it shouldn't be a big part of the syscall overhead < 1382480994 697059 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might've changed recently (there was some discussion about dumping it, since it causes an extra interrupt when you do need to save/restore them) < 1382481000 392912 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work for like, SSE/AVX registers though? < 1382481009 797142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a way for the OS to know whether they've been changed < 1382481044 426933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they count as touching floating point < 1382481066 237747 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it branches twice every iteration to check how far in the iteration it is because of course it does < 1382481068 802818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I mean is there a way for the kernel to know if an SSE register was changed by user code...? < 1382481074 721180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That ones-and-find-==1 idiom is kind of strange. < 1382481074 897182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when switching process you set a flag that disallows usage of fpu/sse/avx/etc registers, then when the new process tries to use them you get an interrupt < 1382481081 365841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1382481109 690521 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah so's the part where it writes m×n columns of an n column matrix. < 1382481121 772817 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is matlab just suppressing all those bad accesses < 1382481125 890800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/391972/ is this related? < 1382481133 386657 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, i'm not cool enough to know about them. < 1382481164 576234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It should complain. I guess there mst be Circumstances. < 1382481187 653419 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i replaced it with for i=i:s2 and i don't see any difference. < 1382481190 527712 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned thing < 1382481214 626456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can extend a matrix silently. < 1382481224 197449 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not extending though, it's just ugh < 1382481227 352445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> x = [1 2 3] < 1382481227 497753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = < 1382481227 497937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 < 1382481227 498043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> x(5)=2 < 1382481227 498146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = < 1382481229 856054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 0 2 < 1382481269 183925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a very slow thing to not preallocate, though.) < 1382481288 962913 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm gonna be fixing up some preallocations later. apparently this isn't extending it though. < 1382481352 285338 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... mysterious, since it sure looks like it ought to be doing so. < 1382481373 966819 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, i see. it works because of the branching. < 1382481402 844764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it does m×n iterations, but past n it so happens that there's never an assignment to mat(:, i). < 1382481413 295059 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it can just spin that whole time. cool < 1382481607 239893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily anecdote: les gens de Montréal disent «le bus» (/lə.bʌs/), et à Québec c'est «la bus» (/la.bys/). <-- did you know trondheim is the only [citation needed] city in norway where the word "bil" (en:car) is feminine. < 1382481607 403475 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382482004 245015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it gets a bit interesting on multiprocessor machines though - you could find cpu0 trying to resume a thread whose fpu state is on cpu1 (and was never saved to memory) < 1382482012 509633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily also it's _only_ in the city, not the rest of the region. < 1382482012 655077 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382482218 193420 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382482535 567347 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382482590 836476 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: huh, how does that work? < 1382482621 931432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean how to work around it, or how the situation happens? < 1382482693 301219 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how they work around it? < 1382482706 660390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the fpu states were saved in memory with xsave or something (?) < 1382482818 321579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that linux originally just disabled the lazy fpu state thing for SMP, now they might send an interrupt to the processor it needs fpu state from < 1382483314 834893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : my keyboard needs a bath :/ <-- http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/?comic=1721 < 1382483352 325774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no there's not supposed to be a picture.) < 1382483394 569122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the page broken or is there's really not supposed to be a picture? < 1382483444 20483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps his fingers
< 1382483468 349603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really not supposed to be a picture. < 1382483621 231308 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/about.php now I'm sad < 1382483650 92880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i recommend reloading. < 1382483692 476963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused < 1382483698 755093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused and somewhat upset by this page < 1382483716 315325 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.203.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382483749 844030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused that you're confused about it; it's not like the "comic" has not been discussed here previously. < 1382483762 946273 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it before < 1382483814 89041 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen it before either. < 1382483841 1124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I even do some plots about a weird random number generation details for the about page, or something? < 1382483844 689844 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1382483882 260831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm quite possible. i'm sure we tried to discover all the variations. < 1382483907 1880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I asked on the forums, and got some sort of a response. < 1382483912 367787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was time-related, I think. < 1382483921 870094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps a non-uniform distribution. < 1382483934 697822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes you did. < 1382483952 813651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My sprunge pastes about it have died, though.) < 1382483964 594383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude. < 1382483967 537210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was completely coincidental then that the first thing I got on the about page was "On behalf of [list of companies] all images on this website has been taken down" then < 1382483973 235438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then$// < 1382483980 437286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1382483982 774136 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.203.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone figure out the puzzle.5 yet? I asked earler but have to leave so now I am elsewlere so could not answer completely < 1382483983 909985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1382483986 960654 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/shachaf// < 1382483990 792235 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i got the same one, excitingly enough. < 1382483991 677219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1382484005 826534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*/shachaf/ < 1382484055 838124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that one is itself inspired by http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1526.html < 1382484077 710813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might note the date on that.) < 1382484085 874910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put a 10 second interval in my getter script, and got an almost repeating sequence out of the 11 different variants, because the randomness was based on the second-resolution timestamp, is I think what happened. < 1382484097 957768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1382484186 861000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/mezza.png -- frequencies of the 11 different variant. < 1382484237 671707 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now... enhance < 1382484251 82259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/mezzoseq.png -- and that's the sequence of variants. < 1382484266 582082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Permuted appropriately.) < 1382484378 455278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I caught up in the log. The selection "algorithm" turned out to be "time()%11", and the hypothesis for uneven distribution was that... actually, never mind, it's not all that interesting. < 1382484404 363872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point, however, was that everyone should've noticed this was going on, because it was spread out over several days. < 1382484420 153121 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.203.221 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382484435 700681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know the h ypothesis. < 1382484536 565421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382484598 117866 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382484636 46901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my sampling done with a "while true; do fetch; sleep 10; done" loop, and some variants of the page were larger than others so therefore had higher likelihood of causing a longer-than-appropriate delay (and consequently a discontinuity in the otherwise ordered sequence of variants received), which skewed the distribution. < 1382484818 700282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps etcl < 1382484824 23232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc, < 1382484826 136918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc. < 1382484837 641801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haps < 1382484839 436496 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :haps? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1382484882 560786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb remind me to remind you to remind you to give me the fortress when i'm online < 1382484885 499973 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1382484886 468484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn hops < 1382484887 493814 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "hops" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1382484889 514704 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :hops < 1382484891 504345 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: twining perennials having cordate leaves and flowers < 1382484893 499550 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arranged in conelike spikes; the dried flowers of this < 1382484895 502156 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : plant are used in brewing to add the characteristic bitter < 1382484897 516325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : taste to beer [syn: {hop}, {hops}] < 1382484904 196257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the hops. < 1382484909 236427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, haps. Sorry. < 1382485017 849950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hips < 1382485019 909430 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hips? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1382485053 45102 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382485054 273254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NIPS < 1382485056 209050 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIPS? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1382485061 637069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a conference.) < 1382485151 583268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382485594 18770 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382485631 881368 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382485658 774352 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382485784 913637 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1382485910 723304 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds