< 1383350482 451870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nein js < 1383350499 638483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keine js?) < 1383350507 420252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, /proc/sys/kernel/random/uuid < 1383350539 214655 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1383350541 652386 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/uuid < 1383350543 114371 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4cb5772d-2326-470d-b9e0-e54c0936ad18 < 1383350551 845231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a uuid, looks like < 1383350567 824252 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eine.js kleine.js nachtmusik.js < 1383350587 595998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1383350605 748431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such uuid, very identifier < 1383350609 117913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will never get old < 1383350625 143910 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least indent it properly < 1383350631 476994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "but my real linux doesn't seem to have it" but then I noticed I was trying to *run* it, not cat it < 1383350632 683658 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow very uuid < 1383350636 149641 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : such unique < 1383350637 775818 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow < 1383350643 675018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuids are (apparently) not executable < 1383350749 953272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: needs color codes too < 1383350770 968176 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1383350798 516566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs comic sans < 1383350871 822270 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383351253 509685 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383351269 215854 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE < 1383351273 2823 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY? < 1383351299 543227 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383351318 459995 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383351369 527018 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383351445 327123 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383351482 897631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits < 1383351710 674074 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :such drugz < 1383351750 827244 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383351751 57123 :madabyss!hidden-use@wsip-68-225-29-133.oc.oc.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any brainfuckers in here? < 1383351762 836121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1383351776 316279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a small brainfucker in every one of us. < 1383351785 249911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also hello people.) < 1383351803 103350 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small brain, small fucker < 1383351804 357029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome madabyss < 1383351807 395459 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08madabyss: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1383351836 101555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo `rwelcome should be reserved for rwbarton < 1383351893 644408 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that? < 1383351953 157426 :madabyss!hidden-use@wsip-68-225-29-133.oc.oc.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get into brainfuck just to mess around with it. I'm having trouble getting an environment setup.. What interpreter should I use? < 1383351980 424867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1383352012 595481 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7949:ee49:9373:cd06 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383352032 164380 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7949:ee49:9373:cd06 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383352175 428828 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383352180 77220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just remember, ten years ago is pretty much 2004 now. Not 1990." < 1383352194 755582 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe you < 1383352309 924304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it's the same for everyone, "now" gets stuck somewhere and refuses to make progress in the same pace as real time < 1383352354 252500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or it might just be that I'm not making the appropriate amount of progress through my life) < 1383352675 651202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of how I feel too < 1383352693 663964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is that OpenGL has a bit of global state that says whether to align pixel rows to a word boundary) < 1383352719 829331 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383352997 719677 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1383353051 843166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383353138 927816 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383353424 425226 :madabyss!hidden-use@wsip-68-225-29-133.oc.oc.cox.net QUIT : < 1383353795 751298 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383354541 470655 :atslash!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383354557 878925 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run trigger "____----____----____----____ iiii_i iiH L111 L H000" < 1383354559 356036 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: trigger: command not found < 1383354577 703312 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ìnterp trigger "____----____----____----____ iiii_i iiH L111 L H000" < 1383354590 21789 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp trigger "____----____----____----____ iiii_i iiH L111 L H000" < 1383354590 460112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ìndeed. < 1383354591 697358 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1383354635 473427 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was supposed to be a truth-machine < 1383354658 211494 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo redefine 0 to mean truth < 1383354681 709827 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383354749 347055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is one of the outputs of a truth-machine. < 1383354873 175227 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other outputs are: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 (this list is not exhaustive, you can help by expanding it) < 1383354892 443355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, ... just doing my part here < 1383355247 960651 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: 0 < 1383355386 95045 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1383355428 190222 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383356339 501273 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383356356 274198 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383356661 390992 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383356877 11018 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%27s_fundamental_theorem_of_natural_selection < 1383356884 897230 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how uselessly vague this sounds < 1383356950 956192 :humpdayy!~androirc@2600:1013:b01a:811e:cb8d:1f16:f1a7:b736 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383356985 941462 :humpdayy!~androirc@2600:1013:b01a:811e:cb8d:1f16:f1a7:b736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey all! I wanna learn brainfuck. Where's a good place to start? < 1383357004 350896 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1383357011 195107 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can tell you what's not a good place to start < 1383357019 893473 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org < 1383357057 245535 :humpdayy!~androirc@2600:1013:b01a:811e:cb8d:1f16:f1a7:b736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... you were right about that. < 1383357083 687576 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably one of the worst places you could start, really < 1383357124 100116 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1383357162 204429 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383357167 181122 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :humpdayy, er... read the spec? read some example programs? < 1383357172 631393 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki has a list of algorithms < 1383357185 731044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs.org brainfuck article is somewhat likely to be better than tvtropes. < 1383357244 559245 :humpdayy!~androirc@2600:1013:b01a:811e:cb8d:1f16:f1a7:b736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fizzie: indeed. Ive been reading around the google results. Nothin is really helping me understand it. < 1383357289 372870 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your level of programming knowledge the answer may just be "learn something else first" < 1383357312 405755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: no tvtropes is a good place to start, as long as you don't need to _end_. < 1383357370 279450 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you will learn much about brainfuck at any part of the process < 1383357411 568735 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, that's not true < 1383357422 389202 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brainfuck is an extremely literal implementation of a minimal turing machine where most of the actual work is done with increment and decrement instructions. Meaningful programming requires the programmer to keep very close track of the memory state as well as a thorough knowledge of the ASCII character set, so the mindscrew comes from the extreme tedium required to do anything useful. " < 1383357426 287951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvtropes's top hit for brainfuck is MindScrew/Other. seems appropriate. < 1383357428 375755 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- tvtropes.org < 1383357429 927668 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :humpdayy, OK right, where exactly are you faltering in your efforts to understand Brainfuck? < 1383357456 498412 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mindscrew" doesn't quite have the same ring to it < 1383357481 496926 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 < 1383357497 960568 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really bad description of brainfuck, though < 1383357508 427805 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thorough knowledge of the ASCII character set? < 1383357544 67188 :humpdayy!~androirc@2600:1013:b01a:811e:cb8d:1f16:f1a7:b736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a programmer but i thought it be cool to learn some esoteric stuff. Brainfuck looks like fun < 1383357558 490211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: well it's true, how else would you write Hello, World! < 1383357571 447661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you don't need it for cat. < 1383357579 947728 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how meaningful hello world is < 1383357594 316009 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it really mean? < 1383357600 539160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you would also need it to recognize meaningful input. < 1383357631 904679 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program could do that itself, using a neural network < 1383357641 957137 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus not limiting you to any particular character set < 1383357652 790415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: it's an expression of greeting toward the common environment < 1383357736 241592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think befunge is much more fun to start out on < 1383357740 402700 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as fun esoprogramming goes < 1383357749 925453 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :humpdayy, if you can't get past the spec I really can't help you, it's one of the simplest esolangs conceptually. < 1383357811 109142 :humpdayy!~androirc@2600:1013:b01a:811e:cb8d:1f16:f1a7:b736 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383357811 310216 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with nooodl, learn befunge 93 instead < 1383357819 489354 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops RIP < 1383357831 43477 :AndroUser!~androirc@246.sub-70-211-2.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383357832 120273 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scared off by Phantom__Hoover < 1383357845 437351 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly if he can't learn brainfuck what are the chances of him mastering befunge < 1383357871 510922 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you help someone with a question like that! < 1383357875 322733 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is easier to "get" but i think befunge is muuuch easier to get stuff done in < 1383357878 127382 :AndroUser!~androirc@246.sub-70-211-2.myvzw.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, got kicked. What are we talking about? What was tbat YouTube link? < 1383357902 959506 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which youtube link, this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRF28GvoL7M < 1383357960 255882 :AndroUser!~androirc@246.sub-70-211-2.myvzw.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude! What the shit is that!? < 1383358134 895621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroUser: it's internet cancer, says so in the comments. < 1383358172 447758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the other one was just a random Sgeo link. expect no relevance to current conversation. < 1383358174 996452 :AndroUser!~androirc@246.sub-70-211-2.myvzw.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage < 1383358205 786830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(expect computer archeology, though) < 1383358298 356281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't watch much of it, although now i'm wondering what "pero" means in japanese. < 1383358312 167772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lmt's one, that is) < 1383358401 454622 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "licking" < 1383358408 727339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1383358431 525407 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly in the psuedoonomatopoeietic form "peropero". < 1383358443 959145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1383358475 443967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the characters, for a brief moment i wondered if it was the japanese form of "pedobear" < 1383358543 714470 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese "pedobear" is "kumaa", and has no real sexual connotations. < 1383358552 463694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1383358562 444566 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a funny drawing on 2chan is all. < 1383358596 746832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that was added by western perverts. < 1383358598 264367 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's from Japan, 4chan just added the weird "pedo" stuff to it memetically) < 1383358657 27824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all makes sense now, for the next few seconds. < 1383358700 431975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 should be here, he knows how to make stuff in brainfuck. < 1383358712 923005 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's that video. Mori no Ando-san. Figured as much. < 1383358733 498907 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :That there is a one-man student project. < 1383358746 119949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it pass? < 1383358751 646938 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1383358873 773364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a story in the elevator about a young startup that had hired actors to play pool in their office while they were interviewing people, in order to show off their "fun corporate culture" < 1383358877 777925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn it all down, imo < 1383358910 981805 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383359114 190140 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383359374 230016 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and start again? < 1383359454 497841 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7949:ee49:9373:cd06 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383359480 924562 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7949:ee49:9373:cd06 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383359625 661717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optional < 1383359687 90677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -0.0 < 1383359688 614198 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.0 < 1383359724 91398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: pools don't burn < 1383359733 85426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait _play_ pool < 1383359747 732678 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :being paid to play a game sounds good though < 1383359806 69241 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383360534 434201 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383362643 453145 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1383363923 594403 :tertu!~tertu@63-254-35-62.ip.mcleodusa.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383364288 482030 :AndroUser!~androirc@246.sub-70-211-2.myvzw.com QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1383364481 337945 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383364945 756077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure they do < 1383364949 277247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a better oxidizer < 1383365232 480447 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:21 I heard a story in the elevator about a young startup that had hired actors to play pool in their office while they were interviewing people, in order to show off their "fun corporate culture" < 1383365236 477839 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuke mountain view < 1383365278 448890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hired actors? why not have the employees do it < 1383365303 214138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe the actors were employees < 1383365349 313069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard the story in sf < 1383365349 494944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The employees are software engineers. < 1383365357 778284 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen them having fun? < 1383365358 388472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue is that there were no employees, yet < 1383365361 663590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were trying to hire one < 1383365362 646346 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :It scares off management. < 1383365513 371789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: weren't you moving to mountain view or something < 1383365529 878456 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seemed possible at one point. < 1383365544 83889 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Missouri actually. < 1383365584 325286 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And delightfully employed. < 1383365613 652331 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And delightfully not-living-in-mother's-basement. < 1383365648 875187 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :My summer internship kinda sorta morphed into a fulltime job. < 1383365665 409555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations? < 1383365721 549696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so you never answered my question about naturality or whatever it was < 1383365729 501678 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did < 1383365746 325797 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said something dumb about hippie food because why do you ask me these questions < 1383365766 848932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you, like, know maths and stuff, right < 1383367833 369026 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383367901 567028 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383368238 890759 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383368352 368297 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383370517 668310 :Uguubee111119!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111119 < 1383370527 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:#esoteric < 1383391292 943966 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383391874 482428 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383392018 288596 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383392109 666212 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee1111110 < 1383392333 332733 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris's new ! operator is a boon for perverse dependent type fans < 1383392636 890323 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick tutorial in case you're curious: < 1383392673 659046 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :M{!N} = do x <- N ; M{x} < 1383392734 158956 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg [sqrt !xs] = do x <- xs ; [sqrt x] < 1383392779 716122 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order is left to right scope, so M{!N,!P} = do x <- N ; y <- P ; M{x,y} provided !N is before !P in M < 1383392828 820151 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the height of the resulting scope is as high as possible. it looks for an appropriate monadic value as high in the syntax as it can, regardless of what other types are in the way < 1383392856 975246 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383392941 732708 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone please have some fun with function monads for me :D < 1383392970 370929 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383393823 359794 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1383394002 615157 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383396700 800796 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383397113 40139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the local bicycling/walking route finder, you go across the street and into a building by using a ferry (fi: "lautta"): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131102-lautta.png < 1383398102 813678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383400273 12490 :Taneb!5c1e901a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.144.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383401299 861919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383402094 199305 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1383402176 860094 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlkqtueofidkdolv QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383402177 10924 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twfygbfngropzrue QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383402287 280403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383402360 322297 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1383403511 110541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383403524 395775 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jgnfrphgpoxhicxl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383403536 779602 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1383403725 371097 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrkopuodkdqytmht JOIN :#esoteric < 1383403888 712886 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383404003 908986 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383404127 102593 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1383404463 843215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_(Unix) "Or, you can try below script, which performance is much better than one line solution previous." Very encyclopedic, that article. < 1383404681 559868 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrkopuodkdqytmht QUIT : < 1383404748 478805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383404817 580980 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1383407229 315216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383407609 922330 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383407662 108855 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7949:ee49:9373:cd06 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383408125 392886 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383408137 70659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383408472 587240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383408620 866382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383409759 449420 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383409761 616246 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee1111110 < 1383410396 372934 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383410948 493098 :Taneb!5c1e901a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.144.26 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1383411311 958664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383412216 521412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383412844 583211 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383413589 254038 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "And it's slow due to some limitation." nice < 1383413646 219800 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383413958 51182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/sys/firmware/efi/vars/CoolConsole-46fe2754-75ed-40db-a395-032d70994457" hmm. Well, I guess it's cool. < 1383414138 142578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1383414741 369683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383415232 63236 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :twerkmeister < 1383415666 95951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383415727 45255 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1383415735 998024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1383416035 264362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have now hiked 2174 miles of AT this year < 1383416053 328266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's AT < 1383416104 509896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :appalachian trail havent we discussed this < 1383416218 560499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my memory is allergic to appalachia, since i never can remember clearly where it is. < 1383416267 530994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere near the east coast, i think < 1383416294 102427 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-28.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1383416383 182769 :twerkmeister!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: impressive < 1383416390 552592 :twerkmeister!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: did you go up through hanover, nh? < 1383416707 906054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383416966 91120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1383417505 524506 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383417575 876424 :twerkmeister!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1383417958 558435 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.businessinsider.com/sexiest-startup-ceos-2013-10 burn it down < 1383418210 516428 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1383418258 483852 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, er, that's the list I use when I'm looking for a job < 1383418263 456990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Female CEOs? < 1383418268 840473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I'm not going to click that link . < 1383418277 686160 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1383418279 43141 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1383418280 944622 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1383418294 557765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383418306 544398 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you that afraid of catching the gay that you're afraid to even click on something that might call a dude sexy? < 1383418315 113340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's why there's a space before the dot. < 1383418327 371368 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a mix of both, and is shitty for other reasons < 1383418372 691840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has nothing todo with being afraid < 1383418375 953499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to do < 1383418395 103788 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the space-before-the-period have a special meaning? I'm clearly clueless :( < 1383418426 421655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: It's used to indicate that the statement is not meant seriously in german chats < 1383418432 351913 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1383418439 636821 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry then! < 1383418468 519690 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle. < 1383418497 327941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the NSA has the technology to make people gay through the internet < 1383418530 183131 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth and gayness bombs < 1383418642 701269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :businessinsider.com is down anyway < 1383418666 5115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my connection to it < 1383418799 577648 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're not missing anything. < 1383418873 993987 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to check twice to see if Bike's dot had a space preceding it. < 1383418928 847906 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope you're really not < 1383418962 445047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a zerowidth space count < 1383418974 841533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1383419014 124428 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear I can be a huge asshole if I put a space before my periods . < 1383419015 824072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suprised that it's not a world wide common notation < 1383419034 278388 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1383419047 418612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than < 1383419073 67992 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably depends on the crowd < 1383419080 264410 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised too⸮ < 1383419118 175268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quelle surprise! < 1383419119 361831 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try (but sometimes fail) to restrict my ironic asshole remarks to smaller groups that are okay with that kind of humor and know there's 0% chance that I'm actually okay with the behavior I'm mocking < 1383419182 567404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1383419198 796321 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383419202 374912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to implement a very fake high-level network card into my emulator < 1383420717 73557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird to me that (per dominent social norms) straight guys are supposed to be turned off by the idea of a threesome with a girl and another guy < 1383420752 691710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I was just thinking about that this morning, and it's slightly related to previous topic < 1383420837 253639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many dicks spoil the stew. ideal dick stew only needs about two dicks per five people being served. remember to cook them thoroughly, but not too thoroughly as that kills the flavor < 1383421050 324642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow on jerkcity < 1383421441 431687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383421632 711188 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoe repair person called my shoe garbage and said I should throw it out < 1383421695 77154 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your shoe garbage has a phone? < 1383421703 35375 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383421947 95609 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1383421976 368094 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383421976 570800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1383421987 119904 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just read that as Shoe repear person called my (shoe garbage) < 1383421996 500625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like he phoned your shoe garbage < 1383422002 248985 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it's not htat < 1383422003 437470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1383422017 699878 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The shoe repair person called my shoe 'garbage', and said that I should throw it out" < 1383422030 141068 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took like thirty seconds trying to understand what sgeo said < 1383422055 735001 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you understood but were trying to be humorous < 1383422095 218608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1383422101 213122 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1383422125 480774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you going to a shoe repair guy? < 1383422129 850250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they that valuable? < 1383422142 863247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there aren't many shoe repair guys around anymore. < 1383422155 143059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they do, they're probably pretty expensive < 1383422164 417627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to just buying a new shoe. < 1383422201 724191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never had a shoe repaired so.. I might be completely wrong. < 1383422221 246924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one ever phoned my shoes . < 1383422234 480849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would be more convenient than buying new shoes < 1383422239 316474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get my current shoes repaired < 1383422375 559783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383422460 464742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112991589/brain-teaser-mathematician-carl-friedrich-gauss-110113/ < 1383422470 723757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a depressingly pointless thing to research < 1383422481 289081 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is redorbit a porn site < 1383422489 682218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no < 1383422629 778124 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading Worm < 1383422645 423408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that unambiguous title < 1383422663 429866 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, it wasn't just me who thought of young frankenstein < 1383422666 65973 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://parahumans.wordpress.com/table-of-contents/ < 1383422725 760973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1383423598 356365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383424255 271569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i buy cheap sneakers and mostly they wouldn't be worth repairing but I've had success in a few cases < 1383424298 695945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy replacement insoles at any drugstore and they're usually more comfortable too < 1383424321 240915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one time the bottom bit of rubber started coming off and I fixed it with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_Goo < 1383424827 303709 :njm!njm@tptp.cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1383424843 422571 :njm!njm@tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changed his irssi /join command to /imposeinto  < 1383424846 200218 :njm!njm@tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imposes into ion < 1383424876 495181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so the inverse of the vimes theory of economic unfairness < 1383424886 916491 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :njm: Are you the licker? < 1383425356 747578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm? < 1383425601 631978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383425627 414580 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A character in Discworld < 1383425638 218635 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where poor people can only afford cheap boots that don't last < 1383425646 890615 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have to keep buying them < 1383425657 379829 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expresses the idea that people with less money buy cheaper things, but they wear out soon, soon, so they end up spending more < 1383425747 160854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that being poor is expensive < 1383425751 741596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lots of reasons, not just that one < 1383425760 855610 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then can never save up the money to buy the things that last longer < 1383425793 772596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think banks tend to screw over poor people < 1383425838 351087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any kind of unexpected bill is a huge setback < 1383425870 951472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383425886 536003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most Americans don't have the cash on hand to deal with a $1000 emergency expense < 1383425930 262685 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1383425948 817828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rich can eat very cheaply because we have free time to cook, free time to shop for the best prices, access to a good kitchen, spare cash to buy ingredients in bulk < 1383425997 690288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a big one I think < 1383426105 870593 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383426146 87911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :More time to do what you want < 1383426297 806257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people argue a lot on whether it's possible to eat for $x/day but they often ignore this aspect of it < 1383426346 426493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1383426475 291712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.57.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383426479 317550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.57.45 QUIT :Changing host < 1383426479 468432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383426980 994730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x/day < 1383426981 798900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383427002 567781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1383427067 504715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breakfast 3 CHF. Lunch 13 CHF. Dinner: 11 CHF. < 1383427071 471005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 + 13 + 11 < 1383427073 13390 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 27 < 1383427081 858505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 27 * 30.5 < 1383427083 496237 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 823.5 < 1383427111 131443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383427122 463931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :920 Dollars < 1383427147 739643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 30 dollars a day < 1383427156 724352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for food < 1383427174 935179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one person of course < 1383427190 459580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge amount of money < 1383427211 588140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383427221 684570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 13 CHF is a really cheap restaurant :) < 1383427238 610624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that .ch is expensive as fuck < 1383427327 829527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1383427333 372405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another interesting fact is that the more liberal states in the US have higher minimum wage, but this is more than eaten up by cost of living < 1383427370 68869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our monthly food expenses (for two) hover somewhere around 300 EUR -- well, food and some assorted grocery store stuff, anyway -- but that's not counting the lunch at work, which is about 5.5 EUR/day/person. < 1383427376 623466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you earn minimum wage you have to work more hours per week in California or New York or Massachusetts than in the middle of nowhere conservative places < 1383427385 995621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.80 Dollar for a regular cheesburger < 1383427396 142663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow me to compare burger prices :) < 1383427409 469142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index < 1383427462 67567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index#Manipulation < 1383427478 533785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guillermo Moreno, Secretary of Commerce in the Kirchner government, reportedly forced McDonald's to sell the Big Mac at an artificially low price to manipulate the country's performance on the Big Mac index" < 1383427481 644925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the us average monthly income? < 1383427494 979575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :median is probably more useful than average < 1383427520 249117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or median, yeah < 1383427558 401240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2700 Dollars < 1383427574 135825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'd take the lousiest job I would still do < 1383427582 414186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd get 4500 Dollars a month < 1383427643 813553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the median household income in the US is like $4400 / mo < 1383427648 91492 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383427655 371300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383427657 224431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1383427659 189629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what comparison you're making so I don't know if individual or household income is more relevant < 1383427684 190187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :household would include both husband and wife? < 1383427698 881556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in households which have a husband and a wife, yes < 1383427718 396898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course. < 1383427729 764464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2700 is apparentely the median salary < 1383427745 515812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :standardized to 180 hours/month < 1383427752 167697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 180 / 4 < 1383427753 744918 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 45.0 < 1383427770 857299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 hour week sounds long :) < 1383427777 729693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more than 4 weeks in a month < 1383427785 744613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2700 * 12 / 52 < 1383427786 338062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1383427787 165604 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 623.0769230769231 < 1383427798 115469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 180 * 12 / 52 < 1383427799 746433 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 41.53846153846154 < 1383427805 6857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383427806 897234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383427811 646250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more like a regular work wee < 1383427813 49170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1383427836 437069 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1383427862 597904 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparisions are so hard < 1383427866 672654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you standardize them < 1383427881 724933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that in some poor country you can live on a few dollars < 1383427889 552981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buy food for which I pay ten times as much < 1383427921 764834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I pay more than them (measured relative to salary) < 1383427926 790598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still live much poorer than me < 1383428001 800948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people think that it somehow "evens out" < 1383428013 709867 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I pay 1/4 just for rent < 1383428022 701400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is your rent < 1383428024 646755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where others pay maybe 1/8 just for rent < 1383428028 709345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also where do you live? < 1383428044 636733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does not take into account, that my house/appartment is way better than theirs :) < 1383428055 649616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that was supposed to be an example < 1383428060 237614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually pay rent yet < 1383428066 885437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1383428073 906553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how much I would have to pay :) < 1383428088 233608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a regular appartment it's about 700 CHF < 1383428097 725657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e student appartment < 1383428116 820746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's around 780 dollars a month < 1383428154 491997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a big city? < 1383428197 339403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :average city < 1383428204 860638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1383428210 288403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not zurich < 1383428213 3215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 45-square-metre apartment right next door from us was just rented to someone new for 850 EUR/month. < 1383428214 852706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zurich is probably more expensive < 1383428224 232688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a smaller city next to zurich < 1383428233 816927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383428247 794140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 1,400.00 Fr. < 1383428289 494162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 1,100.00 Fr. < 1383428296 786537 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right. < 1383428311 45650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :student appartments are obviously less expensive ;) < 1383428331 602152 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy an appartment for 1,400.00 Fr. ??????? where do you live? < 1383428343 837256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1383428345 586346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rent per month < 1383428347 647560 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383428367 565597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :buying is about 8000 CHF per square meter < 1383428373 599638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to this website < 1383428381 253175 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more reasonable < 1383428398 660195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can say from my own experience is that student appartments usually range from about 600 to 900 CHF < 1383428403 946403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :per month < 1383428505 227522 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383428521 946846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant 20.00 Fr < 1383428528 662008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... ok < 1383428536 592922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there definetyl are cheaper restaurants :) < 1383428543 609374 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are Fr. and CHF the same thing? < 1383428548 605007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383428559 500960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :chinese restaurants are usually more like 12 CHF :) < 1383428630 995259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: CHF is the international abbreviation < 1383428644 647928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Fr. or SFr. is what you use as someone living here < 1383428699 786378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1383428699 937292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confoederatio Helvetica < 1383428714 21614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly beleive one could live in switzerland with 1$ a day < 1383428728 469433 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFOEDERATIO HELVETICA methinks < 1383428735 279279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1$ is already pretty close to what you pay to use public toilets < 1383428760 576041 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought paying for toilets was something that only happened at gas stations and Rollercoaster Tycoon. < 1383428778 119762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1383428778 580630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383428781 89196 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free toilets are mostly a thing in the US. < 1383428789 760765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay toilets are banned in much of the US or something, and so there just aren't enough public toilets :/ < 1383428797 846136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there are mostly two kinds of toilets < 1383428799 353272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF has some free ones, though < 1383428800 42211 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you US people are all communists pikhq! < 1383428811 65665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pee for free using the "pissoir" < 1383428812 37096 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to the Committee to End Pay Toilets in America. < 1383428818 197623 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you have to pay for either < 1383428845 193126 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can pee for free with a brick wall thank you very much < 1383428852 359657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless a cop sees you < 1383428854 245163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383428864 564445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can pee on the cop too. it works out. < 1383428872 610117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1383428880 452913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you can't live for 1$ a day :) < 1383428882 525079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like < 1383428891 31737 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, how much does jail cost < 1383428891 182815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :30$ a day < 1383428894 700556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1383428897 46602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jail does not cost < 1383428899 704140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jail is free < 1383428905 592408 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved. < 1383428919 774114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there is a fine < 1383428928 861409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no "get free on caution" < 1383428948 253402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1383428952 59164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bail in english < 1383428952 678439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in amsterdam i saw a clever thing which is like a single large piece of plastic shaped into four urinals < 1383429010 673382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some things you can choose although < 1383429015 341298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either pay the fine or go to jail < 1383429022 981501 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they want you to pay the fine < 1383429031 25922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because jail would be cheaper for you than paying the fine < 1383429040 976893 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so less money for them < 1383429112 871445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty certain the regular jail in switzerland is pretty neat < 1383429127 894297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to us jails in television < 1383429163 395673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you get beaten up twice a day < 1383429511 892700 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of prison < 1383429520 753378 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jail is fairly relaxing < 1383429579 794942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought jail was just slang for prison < 1383429602 617282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like slammer < 1383429611 509199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or joint < 1383429638 848049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not pass go. < 1383429646 966376 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.diffen.com/difference/Jail_vs_Prison < 1383429789 896061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :puh. I hope my laptop can survive two more weeks < 1383429795 633782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until my new one arrives. < 1383429831 842344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be pretty screwed if it didn't. < 1383429847 661755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: thx :) < 1383429863 904273 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing is half the battle < 1383429925 686787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1383430050 369973 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383430117 532725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I know why people tend to write < 1383430118 319227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int < 1383430121 482130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main( ...) < 1383430127 7312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of int main ( ...) < 1383430141 295498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces more lines of code . < 1383430164 532357 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be < 1383430166 211123 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int < 1383430167 624612 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main < 1383430172 476669 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...) < 1383430178 55081 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1383430179 283482 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1383430189 945175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383430194 241576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even stretch that to < 1383430195 337304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int < 1383430196 928308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :main < 1383430197 993229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1383430199 362894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int argc, < 1383430203 132001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* argv[] < 1383430203 965280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1383430204 609678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1383430205 431934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383430207 260347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1383430259 507578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen code like that < 1383430263 110163 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think the serious reason for "type\n name(...)" is that it allows for easier grepping of the function definition < 1383430307 554450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you would grep for "\n name"? < 1383430314 865230 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ^name < 1383430321 382180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't report calls to that function? < 1383430322 691173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I like about Rust syntax is that you can find the definition of foo by grepping for 'fn foo' < 1383430325 392530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1383430332 630306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1383430336 220875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually not a bad idea < 1383430352 141393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually grep for name(type < 1383430362 759957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can remember the first type of the function < 1383430371 506224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the type of the first argument) < 1383430379 115448 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that wouldn't work in codebases using K&R-C function declaration, though < 1383430383 777614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes just now that C function declaration syntax is another example of declaration-follows-use < 1383430387 95441 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarations* < 1383430391 732259 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which vim's code base does, btw) < 1383430395 436402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1383430402 307358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Why? < 1383430417 85605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the prototype? < 1383430419 802376 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because apparently it compiles on some platforms that don't have any ANSI C compiler < 1383430428 453139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int foo(int, int);? < 1383430438 266477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or int foo(a, b);? < 1383430439 309592 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean int foo(x,y) { int x; int y }; { ... } < 1383430442 715574 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the syntax is < 1383430450 168456 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the textually first result either be the prototype or the function definition? and if it's the prototype you now know the return type < 1383430453 553653 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't remember < 1383430453 863762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: foo(x, y) int x, y; { ... } < 1383430454 696353 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's declaration-folllows-use < 1383430462 873578 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. That < 1383430472 911830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a principle of C syntax < 1383430474 201966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that allowed in c89? < 1383430475 178414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Implicit int goes "well" with K&R declarations. < 1383430481 299878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It's even allowed in C11. < 1383430488 971150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's that thing where declaration follows use < 1383430490 444053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write "int *p" to declare that *p is an int < 1383430490 595312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: (Though there's a note about it being obsolete.) < 1383430505 223417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks weird < 1383430507 453204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1383430520 887767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "int f(x)" to declare that f(x) is an int < 1383430526 720320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate int *p < 1383430529 800208 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383430530 986149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer int* p < 1383430548 254808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kinda grown to like int *p :| < 1383430550 163415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int *p looks like it's not a pointer < 1383430560 501244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "int* p, q" and so on. < 1383430567 752663 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :either int* p or int *p is fine, but "int * p" is clearly wrong < 1383430583 25962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: morally wrong? < 1383430593 79625 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :all kinds of wrong. < 1383430597 262042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moraly < 1383430598 18179 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctrinally wrong < 1383430604 380788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :universally wrong < 1383430611 391663 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kentuckily wrong < 1383430616 838042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The use of function definitions with separate parameter identifier and declaration lists (not prototype-format parameter type and identifier declarators) is an obsolescent feature." (C11 "future language directions". So maybe it'll be finally dropped in, say, C43 or thereabouts.) < 1383430637 486525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383430643 670217 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna use char * * argv from now on < 1383430656 876825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"char * foo", the product of 'char' and 'foo'. < 1383430657 441694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1383430661 88419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* *argv < 1383430687 210765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* *argv sounds like a reasonable compromise between int* p and int *p < 1383430709 510207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :char**argv -- if you don't have whitespace, you don't have to worry about whitespace placement. < 1383430711 185989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a *good* syntactic principle but it has a certain consistency to it < 1383430722 457230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, char* *argv does make some sense though, reads as a pointer to char* < 1383430731 260703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there a good reason to prefer one of char **argv or char *argv[]? < 1383430763 711386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some argument to be made for the general badness of the array-that's-really-a-pointer syntax of parameter declarations. < 1383430770 580852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could extend a preference for char ** from there. < 1383430921 527905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lucky the language I recently invented is relatively typeless < 1383431025 603373 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1383431143 655753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rust type syntax has some weird corners < 1383431155 662577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put trait bounds on the free variables of a closure, for example < 1383431235 154495 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but types are so much fun < 1383431259 356247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :types take away my freedom :) < 1383431308 343989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers keep telling me "but that's undefined behaviour?" and I just want to say "well.. screw you. I know my hardware better than you" < 1383431321 501476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383431341 970289 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom from want, freedom from types < 1383431354 772863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1383431363 542762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how undefined behavior works < 1383431368 247382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1383431373 826487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, you don't ;) < 1383431428 417631 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take any language and add types, and it becomes at least twice as esoteric < 1383431445 50892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/va/rlmmu_simple.html <- now it looks like that < 1383431452 317401 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty neat < 1383431467 607887 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering writing assembly for something i wrote the other day, but that's so annoying. the question is whether dozens of movs are more annoying < 1383431543 269062 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is just bit bashing", i think, naively < 1383431781 58161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION earperk < 1383431817 114078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Highlight on "bit"? < 1383431846 449991 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like it'd be a bit annoying < 1383431851 503399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or assembly? < 1383431851 848625 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's on "assembly"! < 1383431888 568095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just manually watching the channel waiting for someone to say something interesting < 1383431895 988996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... didn't have a highlight I just um happened to look in at the right time < 1383431958 42432 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop is like... (m & p[t[c]]) << 1 for increasing c < 1383431985 975248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe like, pastebin it? < 1383432045 544366 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess a disassembly of a closure function is appropriately esoteric. < 1383432243 577447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383432411 152694 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno anything about assembly but that sounds like any compiler'd be good at it < 1383432444 523965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine would use 1k of stack for m & p[t[c]] << 1 < 1383432469 821182 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like, what does the code do with each bit? < 1383432471 657357 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/V6A4Bqdg fear < 1383432492 560696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I got was a cat. < 1383432497 781901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :(" < 1383432511 418549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the third hand, well, a cat. < 1383432528 114762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the gripping hand < 1383432534 884629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the grepping hand. < 1383432535 91924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how many hands do you have exactly?? < 1383432542 669218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How many hands did I have again? < 1383432542 861596 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i though i heard it made one that strong yet? < 1383432554 917102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So one strong hand and...? < 1383432555 109103 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( but seriously, how is call/ cc < 1383432566 344251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one strong hand and one time travel hand < 1383432577 87576 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how IS call/cc. haven't heard from it in a while < 1383432605 329403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is there, like, um, a C equivalent or something ?@_@ < 1383432645 836720 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1383432696 112029 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C << just discard any bits that fall off? < 1383432711 763062 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383432712 982092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If it's an unsigned variable, yes. < 1383432815 381553 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's signed I believe the behavior is undefined < 1383432843 39750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's signed, then << K is defined if the value -- let's call it X -- is initially nonnegative, and if X*2^K is representable in the result type. < 1383432843 962986 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (i = 0; i < text_len; ++i) { partial_matches = (partial_matches & pattern[text[c]]) << 1; result[c] = partial_matches & (1 << pattern_len); } or something like that. except result should be a bit vector and that shoul set a bit based on the truth value i'm bad at c < 1383432856 615155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which won't be the case if any bits were to fall off.) < 1383432860 575673 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (c = 0 ...) wow go me < 1383432939 660785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is partial_matches and what is pattern[]? are they like, both bit vectors? < 1383432950 345145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, is partial_matches a boolean, I mean? < 1383432971 15619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on that other expression, probably not. < 1383432973 289185 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial_matches is a bit vector, pattern is a vector of bit vectors. < 1383432989 741963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vector of bit vectors, okay < 1383432994 587613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um I guess they both fit in 32-bit or something? < 1383433014 673842 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. < 1383433066 118104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pattern[text[c]] is the pattern with a certain... character, I guess? < 1383433075 973658 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean something like, result |= partial_matches & (1 << pattern_len); < 1383433085 180036 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait. no < 1383433139 633060 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, pattern is indexed by a character. < 1383433153 847908 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a pun if so: nice on making it obvious it was a pun but not obvious what the joke is < 1383433165 849178 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, it wasn't a pun? < 1383433200 768493 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might as well just explain the algorithm. < 1383433224 87233 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you have a "pattern" that you want to search for in a "text". they're both just strings. < 1383433277 751091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prepare for search with a given pattern, first you pick an alphabet, which is just a mapping from characters to nonnegative integers. (obviously this is a bit redundant in C, but if you're searching with DNA sequences or something you can save memory by shrinking the alphabet) < 1383433317 363605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you encode the pattern as a vector of bit vectors. for each character there's a bit vector where each element is 1 if that's the character at that position in the pattern. < 1383433365 930003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if your alphabet is just 0 and 1, and you're searching for "010101", pattern would look like {{101010},{010101}} < 1383433394 562278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the relevant part of the algorithm, anyway. < 1383433557 368900 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-28.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383433768 553742 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i mixed up a bit. partial_matches starts as 1 and the lsb should always stay set, so that goes in the loop too. < 1383433792 327822 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383433847 832885 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do shifts with a fill bit on x86? < 1383434189 169296 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: C equivalent of call/cc? Sure! < 1383434216 163704 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :makecontext < 1383434251 941729 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383434426 575878 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383435595 173037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/02/continuations-in-c-with-fork.html < 1383435676 573528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can rotate through carry, which is kind of slightly like that. < 1383435728 789335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: One end of the thing you're rotating drops off and into the carry flag, while the old carry flags goes to live on as the "shifted-in" bit. < 1383435767 732790 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be another instruction, then. might as well just OR with 1 < 1383435789 752756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean by "another instruction" there. < 1383435801 589981 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd have to set the carry. < 1383435809 904071 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every loop i mean. < 1383435824 300147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. There's no static "shift in ones" instruction, no. < 1383435848 908050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1383435870 597627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: there's an undocumented "shift left but insert 1" instruction on the Z80. < 1383435880 231936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1383435881 830803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1383435910 847923 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly my digitial design class was useless, sigh < 1383435934 526433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that's good news, i'll redo this to run on soviet knockoffs < 1383435951 355025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in the gap where there should be a "logical left shift", if you look at the opcode encodings; at one corner of the imaginary square formed by arithmetic shift left, arithmetic shift right and logical shift right.) < 1383435966 847570 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://anotherlook.ca/ < 1383435975 440995 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :click 'another look at security definitions' < 1383435989 123081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided not to go to the thing I was going to. < 1383436055 980315 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking Of Security, it was just revealed that news of the world illegally hacked their way to access to a voicemail left by prince harry. stuff's gettin good < 1383436100 83597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I'm in dolores park what should i do "help" < 1383436113 628985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chillax < 1383436115 842700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I/i/ < 1383436123 17684 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fun < 1383436134 311443 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1383436135 607800 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1383436137 414418 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so they've definitely gone from 'unethical' to 'illegal'? < 1383436165 83150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi doesthiswork < 1383436165 842095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that happened some time ago < 1383436172 453000 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's me paraphrasing, but the cases look pretty solid < 1383436187 877428 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1383436221 632979 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just hoping this somehow ends with murdoch getting punched in the face. < 1383436226 958854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People switch to dechaf to be less jittery, AIUI. < 1383436237 134030 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that would be the best resolution imo < 1383436251 616646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :already chillaxing and also watching dogs they are cute < 1383436269 301139 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs are good < 1383436301 465244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go see _Carrie (musical)_ "last day for it" < 1383436341 6783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you like Carrie (musical)? < 1383436341 262001 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: " hello world" 200 times ( run the fnord! :p. < 1383436346 277558 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if it's billed as such