< 1383436810 101366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1383436997 982250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⸮ < 1383437001 172594 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2E2E REVERSED QUESTION MARK] < 1383437141 420016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs are great < 1383437148 389139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one dog tried to play mölkky with us < 1383437151 794262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't know the rules < 1383437168 794447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should have switched to playing dog-mölkky < 1383437170 188594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mölkky that stick-throwing game? < 1383437172 480819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383437195 533947 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs like stick-throwing games, I think < 1383437263 827396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383437346 341577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dölkky sounds like a more fun game anyway < 1383437366 826638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ghci has instance Monad (-> x) without doing any imports? < 1383437373 797935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1383437377 5266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ghci at all < 1383437381 512352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*((->) x) < 1383437385 298339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci 7.6 < 1383437395 610581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what i have < 1383437397 675998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about 7.4 < 1383437451 387614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we should play mölkky again sometime < 1383437477 317481 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383437525 325175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383437566 395386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trouble to carry around, though :'( < 1383437569 796614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383437575 144766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so heavy < 1383437581 149105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :such mass < 1383437582 350153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Pointless Topology should buy one < 1383437584 784081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1383437616 412244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could make one < 1383437630 996585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1383437779 332734 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383437829 425330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can play when you're in mv < 1383437837 15127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1383437892 934413 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1383438101 853011 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383438108 282520 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383438145 305073 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: https://twitter.com/mc_hankins/status/396757476558643200/photo/1 < 1383438179 493705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an article in some local paper on how mölkky is becoming more popular abroad, and that already only a small fraction of the sets are sold in Finland. < 1383438200 222953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF 22 BS SS SB MB BW BG SM HP HD BL SQ RC AT MP PA CA SA MV SV LW SC CP SJ TM CL BH MH ST GR < 1383438260 106845 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383438291 916756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1383438298 507403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a fraction of all people are born in finland < 1383438347 897288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's a game with such a Finnish name. < 1383438415 658073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a number of "throw things at other things" games already, wouldn't think people need to import one from here. < 1383438451 342093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yle.fi/uutiset/molkyn_menestys_antaa_toita_sadoille/6911296 there < 1383438511 1282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In little endian is every thing we load into memory is in reverse order ?" :( < 1383438565 413094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't worry, we weren't pronouncing it correctly < 1383438922 215778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/ibogost/status/396797423714336768/photo/1/large an interesting spin on "lol vintage internet" < 1383439266 634235 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1383439277 90081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131103-twitter.jpg <- a twitter picture < 1383439426 749101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can newtype F x y a = F ((a -> x) -> y) be Distributable for any x, y < 1383439472 579825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain tried to find a general instance but i think it short-circuited < 1383439498 567053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume there shouldn't be one) < 1383441120 102849 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1383441204 231370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1383441539 181425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People complain yesterday about "int* p" and "int *p" and "char* *argv" in C codes. I just write "int*p" because the other way both have problems < 1383441544 935018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1383441555 621565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1383441556 217568 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1383441660 437111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 !! < 1383441664 498264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps my friend < 1383441741 110279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was designing a computer game in QBASIC called "Savant's Maze" (on a different computer with DOS, not this one). It is roguelike game and you start in the basement and have to reach the top floor. < 1383441963 877484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I have line of view made up, message buffer, save games, movement, and there is some different terrains including windows, water, fog (you cannot see very well), broken glass, traps, stairs, etc. < 1383441968 580354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have some idea too. < 1383442231 997168 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1383442375 970919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask bike i'm just hoping this somehow ends with murdoch getting punched in the face. <-- by prince harry? < 1383442376 390331 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1383442405 588731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here the daylight saving time is stopped tomorrow. < 1383442450 127783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both north america and europe seem to change on nights before sundays, although different ones. < 1383442574 227575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is Sunday, just early before most people would wake up. < 1383442595 285165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just stay awake until that time, or else sleep and wake up before that time, to change the clocks that won't automatically change. < 1383442918 850091 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stay up all night to implement daylight saving time... I think something's wrong :) < 1383443005 536707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, daylight saving time is bad. < 1383443364 555863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: omg, "region of declining hope" < 1383443861 929860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think Koen_ is implying that you're working too hard to keep the clocks correct if you are waking up for the purpose of changing them. < 1383443870 723469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383443890 364836 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not implying, I'm demonstrating < 1383444108 944014 :tswett_q!~quassel@ec2-184-72-227-152.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1383444190 737109 :tswett_q!~quassel@ec2-184-72-227-152.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys. So this is the nick I'm going to use when I'm not here. < 1383444205 225927 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradox! < 1383444242 832431 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1383444246 785947 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1383444284 50696 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1383444311 70371 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383444486 731046 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383444601 399707 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1383444618 319610 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383444827 442328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1383444860 313739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1383445550 751327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383445594 250565 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use this nick when I'm not at the computer. I also use this nick when I am at the computer. < 1383445598 552310 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No paradox < 1383445606 46370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pair o' docs < 1383445635 92705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1383445763 782954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a disgruntled ophthalmologist with ironically horrible eyesight. she is a brain surgeon with a dark secret. they fight crime! < 1383446551 453150 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not ironic in the slightest. < 1383446560 360005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮpthalmꙮlogist < 1383446572 210892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :band name < 1383446978 769520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then. < 1383447242 942225 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383447273 397193 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383447290 701170 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PART :#esoteric < 1383447292 178458 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383447345 871201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a melancholic polycythemia researcher with ironically low hemoglobin values. she is a cardiologist with a heart of gold. they fight crime! < 1383447740 801099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮpthalmꙮ < 1383447742 855168 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0070 LATIN SMALL LETTER P] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+006D LATIN SMALL LETTER M] [U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1383447763 79161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1383448433 327728 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383449169 987820 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1383449906 230273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean instance Distributive (F x y)? < 1383450010 469329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383450043 284652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree there shouldn't be one. < 1383450046 613737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly instance Distributive (F X Y) for X and Y some specific types < 1383450081 5637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe X=Y=() or something. < 1383450085 812625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no. < 1383450107 431105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about this to see if there were any counterexamples to your Distributive always has Representable theory < 1383450137 366596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's edwardk's theory, you should ask him in #-lens. < 1383450143 522678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1383451190 840493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lens is the channel to be in, I hear. < 1383451850 558332 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383452880 759405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: «We tried EVERYTHING: "just failed to reach statistical significance after log transformation (p<0.07) or non-parametric analysis (p<0.06)» the saga continues < 1383452898 678822 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: optional < 1383452996 172962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wat < 1383453043 468271 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notes the notes the notes < 1383453063 56871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember what this is about. < 1383453122 553746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the mistake of upgrading to Windows 8.1. There's apparently a bug that means you can no longer turn off spelling autocorrection. < 1383453162 891934 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not very definitely significant from the statistical point of view (p=0.08)" i'm never gonna get tired of this < 1383453674 29650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately it doesn't affect pasting from gvim. < 1383453733 107806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still has all the red squiggles though. < 1383454088 742178 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383454708 345207 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383455551 579915 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7949:ee49:9373:cd06 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383456046 652843 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383456361 138431 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:b9d3:9154:5dd7:95bb JOIN :#esoteric < 1383456470 639226 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383457072 373406 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383457102 926754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they fix that buf? < 1383457111 995655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to workaround somehow? < 1383457151 235218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my current workaround is to write in vim and paste. < 1383457174 977932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there some workaround involving editing the registry or the files dealing with spelling corrections? < 1383457215 700776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think windows 8.1 is too new for the fixes to have shown up. < 1383457231 768137 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383457251 463595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, in the settings it _looks_ like the setting has been changed, but programs (apps and IE) ignore it. < 1383457312 468787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look in the registry? < 1383457313 447663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an old method someone gave for disabling it in 8.0, which involved renaming the dll's. although i also saw a comment that this slowed things down. < 1383457343 111985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i haven't. i'm not going to mess with things without guidance. < 1383457361 409211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking in it, without changing it, shouldn't damage it. < 1383457808 279053 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383458303 616145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such rsa < 1383458305 377579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so exponent < 1383458361 415734 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much primes < 1383458373 452388 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many modulus < 1383458392 588243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1383458392 739120 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :different people i know get into memes at different times and it freaks me out, man < 1383458398 462752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1383458406 411421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: pretty sure I'm on the trailing edge < 1383458415 952390 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this one yeah < 1383458422 11059 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean hey that's respectable < 1383458573 236833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it though < 1383458605 960830 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. no. it's not. i don't respect it < 1383458613 187958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i respect no meme! < 1383459663 158118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo meme so fat < 1383459676 921414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo oerjan < 1383459678 264924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoerjan < 1383459709 573680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yachaf < 1383459745 525078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day we're going to hit a word in this way that's a grievous insult in hebrew. < 1383459764 180620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or english < 1383459779 866457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or norwegian?? < 1383459783 722372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be ridiculous. < 1383459795 184060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part is ridiculous < 1383459838 957540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are. < 1383459853 173810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1383459855 161687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i never! < 1383459985 538738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such doge < 1383459986 567028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meme < 1383460006 27250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :many doge at the park today < 1383460014 655218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :much cute < 1383460017 919319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow < 1383460018 70248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1383460040 339913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they all have internal monologue in broken english and rainbow comic sans < 1383460040 985490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you play with a doge < 1383460054 483912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :'( < 1383460071 895739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one was playing mölkky < 1383460117 829366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though people were throwing balls < 1383460146 576345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs become unreasonably enthusiastic and excited about balls being thrown < 1383460154 267703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i even ever been that excited about anything < 1383460166 537012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a failure compared to doge :'( < 1383460202 543562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1383460237 858864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.stagram.com/p/521355034383093782_31874355 < 1383460244 953542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mölkky today, my doge has run away... < 1383460253 40659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a recipe for disaster imo < 1383460280 731875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate en fi dog < 1383460284 1537 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :This google api no longer exists. < 1383460335 475631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask tswett_q i think he was all about finnish dogs once < 1383460506 313771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there are no finnish dogs < 1383460518 871070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you slur shachaf just enough it can sound like en:shut up or perhaps even no:kjeften which basically means the same thing. < 1383460523 745781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain the invention of mölkky < 1383460538 158669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't slur me :'( < 1383460550 893394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha'uff! < 1383460556 905063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø_ø < 1383460583 248915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well that stagram link _did_ seem to claim their existence. < 1383460605 197696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they were imported later < 1383460625 891915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have been pointed out that orja is finnish for slave, although i don't think they use that as a slur much) < 1383460709 810079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know "Psychological JuJitsu" card game? I have implemented it in ifMUD. < 1383460776 716491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps a dog exists but is unique < 1383460810 323285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the link had two. < 1383460822 327906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse you, link < 1383460840 772779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a search result for «mölkky koira»: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zdMZ7N1U7I < 1383460853 462259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should clear things up < 1383460951 88716 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383461264 939374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that had a severe shortage of mölkky, and i didn't pay attention to whether where any dogs since koira was clearly part of the band name. < 1383461300 971371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karri_Koira < 1383461313 70204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+there were < 1383461327 77580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Heini Strand of Rumba gave the album four out of five stars saying that the album is great material for making out" < 1383461328 847065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. disappointing < 1383461329 811985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-were < 1383461385 364372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is, after all, the primary purpose of an album < 1383461397 60677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the other star for < 1383461466 741928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1383461469 481671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :**-where < 1383461496 399076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1383461522 542297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second star should have been *-where < 1383461579 755205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stars are difficult < 1383461585 883290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could have been the more elegant, yet even more confusing *-+ < 1383461706 30028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :★± < 1383461959 36163 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:b9d3:9154:5dd7:95bb QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1383462563 281408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src iterate < 1383462563 711227 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate f x = x : iterate f (f x) < 1383462716 836513 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383462717 673998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cofree comonad imo < 1383463179 407461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mozilla developer guide thing is super helpful < 1383463193 756960 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1383463196 753105 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking art imo < 1383463450 146944 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383463451 835827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think about making out < 1383463531 737770 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JavaScript event handling is single-threaded, so handlers are executed sequentially." is this like, actually true < 1383463535 537106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383463552 131104 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383463564 627540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in existing browser engines all JavaScript (including iframes) runs in a single thread and alternates with layout work on the same thread < 1383463571 703685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all for a single tab, I mean) < 1383463572 593830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is terrible < 1383463576 894157 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, is it required < 1383463580 277874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's something we're trying to fix with Servo < 1383463589 739253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are limits to what we can do because it's part of the platform spec < 1383463590 939204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1383463596 951635 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. why? < 1383463615 278296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: JS doesn't have any kind of thread synchronization primitives built in, so if you allowed concurrent event handlers, there would be no way to make them race-free < 1383463642 271962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway there's 15 years worth of legacy javascript code which assumes no concurrency < 1383463645 504206 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hm... still that seems like a limitation to me. maybe i'm being naive < 1383463664 91013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can now do concurrency in a limited sense, with web workers, but they can't touch the DOM or handle events < 1383463689 590541 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please recall that HTML-tag attribute names are case-insensitive, so oNcLiCk will work same as onClick or onclick" a lot of this advice seems like stuff i should be pretty skeptical of. just like every other time i've learned a programming language :/ < 1383463841 987436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no particular opinions < 1383463890 715758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383464304 77367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION usually doesn't have musical accompanyment, though < 1383464335 62416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Adagio < 1383464680 271184 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsers are so amazing. it almost seems like a shame to have them so internet-oriented < 1383464730 869605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo browsers should be oriented to writing browsers < 1383464741 836930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the primary activity browser writers care about" < 1383464750 765628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo write your own browser in HTML/CSS/JS < 1383464763 531204 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :market it as 'web compatible' < 1383464778 743037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also really? < 1383464791 176759 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. (as an example of what not to do) < 1383464796 270775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my six language polyglot is more reasonable than that < 1383464796 734696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383464803 441100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1383464810 716308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course as soon as i looked at a less reputable tutorial's source it had exactly that -_- < 1383464901 996798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wasn't that the only backwards compatible way of doing it < 1383464918 784572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think maybe it needs to be on three lines or something, i don't know < 1383464932 376007 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i didn't feel like doing that. < 1383465132 495517 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee1111110 < 1383465277 343357 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383466431 450262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: isn't it case insensitive in HTML4 < 1383466437 60437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in HTML5? < 1383466451 521889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's case insensitive in some browsers but not in others < 1383466512 879059 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd liketo say it's the former but it's probably the latter too somehow < 1383466537 521340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383466541 597312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :google research is useless < 1383466545 790813 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like html is case insensitive but xml is not. < 1383466554 557656 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone seems to have a different opinion about the case sensitivity of attributes < 1383466561 700795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Ah. Yes < 1383466565 129506 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was looking at w3, so. < 1383466567 716265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHtml < 1383466570 104326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383466578 623753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i was starting from 'oNcLiCk is a really shitty name' < 1383466582 131046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :onClick works in HTML4 but not in XHtml < 1383466626 998749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONcLICK < 1383466643 618271 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is called when the user licks the touchscreen < 1383466655 718718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if any) < 1383467443 909291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some simple way to wire something to composite video signals to make them appear in grayscale? < 1383468165 825643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383470374 481006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web Workers and Canvas Proxies. < 1383470807 606749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there approaches on how to compile low-level language to CIL/CLR? < 1383470811 778885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Java Byte Code < 1383470828 893539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the whole pointery stuff < 1383470931 749737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One honking byte[] and pointers as indices to that. < 1383470946 149475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what Emscripten does, to compile C to JS.) < 1383470972 802873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383470981 55225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that probably does not work for function pointers? < 1383471053 161552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1383471060 917987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably special treat function pointers < 1383471078 752489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use (void*) < 1383471089 353310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would loose the information that it was a function pointer < 1383471108 758405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking from a C perspective, if they're still indices to something, it wouldn't really matter. < 1383471125 782695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to convert it back to a function pointer for calling, at which point it'd get back that information. < 1383471202 749555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1383471214 218767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't call javascript functions through an adress? < 1383471234 575422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have a table of functions. Function pointers would be indices to that. < 1383471248 511800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383471251 79160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383471252 751413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1383471311 618954 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for variables probably < 1383471324 941696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e the address of a local variable < 1383471325 772571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1383471333 288043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you compiled to a single Java bytecode method, you could use actual opcode offsets -- but that approach has at least two major problems: there's a 64k size limit for a function, and the bytecode verifier is going to insist on all kinds of things hard to satisfy. (I looked at this a bit for a Befunge-to-JVM thing where I wanted to use the native JVM stack as the Befunge stack.) < 1383471377 609155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1383471392 969548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my source language requires you to be able to goto from one function in another < 1383471395 977497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff like that < 1383471403 162572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not really easy to translate to other languages :) < 1383471411 737185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most don't allow that. < 1383471416 111684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even C < 1383471471 370447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inline asm? < 1383471555 930286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might "work" for the single-JVM-method case (since you can do local jumps there), assuming you can satisfy the verifier, which might be tricky. (It e.g. insists that all possible paths to reach a particular instruction must provably have the same stack effect in terms of number of pushes and pops, which really didn't work for the Befunge case.) < 1383471601 7679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then there's that size limit.) < 1383471649 375366 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge to jvm sounds like an awesome idea < 1383471690 513316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of abandoned the idea when it turned out the native stack wouldn't work, because using a separate object for the stack sounded so lame. < 1383471995 660087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : well < 1383472005 589113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could disect stuff into functions < 1383472014 247009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e a label would be another function < 1383472028 193476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like int main() { .... foo: ... } would split into < 1383472035 373155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two functions < 1383472507 950211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming arbitrary jumps, then you'll need some kind of a thing to handle the otherwise-growing stack. < 1383472517 629475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's no tail calls in the JVM.) < 1383472601 365933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always trampolining, of course. < 1383473273 385958 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383474033 942693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1383474043 603399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping to another function is a really bad idea anyway < 1383474078 863803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason it is even possible is because I did not want to introduce scoping rules < 1383474083 422134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so labels are globally visible < 1383474103 995586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just might say jumping into another function is copmiler dependant behaviour < 1383474196 855118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what it actually is anyway < 1383474479 874452 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383474696 401192 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383474892 239151 :Taneb!5c1e901a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.144.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383475534 6773 :Taneb!5c1e901a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.144.26 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1383477045 144416 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383477198 111389 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1383477204 498964 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1383477220 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:mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383480260 889928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when exactly is extern needed for C functions < 1383480275 981933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can refer to C functions in other compilation units without extern < 1383480293 341506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e -c foo.o ... -c foo1.o and just link it together < 1383480295 765269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using extern < 1383480705 535418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default for functions. < 1383480730 673725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a declaration of an identifier for a function has no storage-class specifier, its linkage is determined exactly as if it were declared with the storage-class specifier extern." < 1383480759 737897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need it for declarations of objects in header files, because otherwise those turn into definitions for each translation unit, and then you've got multiple copies and the linker will complain. < 1383480985 300809 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383481180 807349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't notice the question was specifically for functions. I guess "never", then, since having no storage class specifiers is entirely equivalent. < 1383481791 317595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383482408 892002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm also guessing "never" < 1383482425 229889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not 100% sure there is an edgecase where extern is needed for functions too < 1383482429 905923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1383482490 507766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there were any qualifiers for the statement I quoted. < 1383482592 816005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe shared objects? < 1383482714 600669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383482813 97435 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't modifiability of fungespace be a bigger problem for a befunge-to-JVM compiler? < 1383482936 819654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Maybe, but that's a problem for a befunge-to-anything compiler and not for a befunge-to-JVM compiler in particular. < 1383482950 454117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's fungespace? < 1383482954 63131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the code? < 1383482957 48751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1383482957 384719 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1383482958 863124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or where the code is located < 1383482959 771173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383482960 408442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383482984 434917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possible I was thinking of writing an interpreter, anyway. I don't remember the details, just that I wanted JVM stack == befunge stack.) < 1383483010 288772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you compile each instruction as a fixed block of code < 1383483014 279836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then replace those blocks < 1383483036 81526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's essentially a threaded-code interpreter. < 1383483039 149435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e transfroming the 2D space into a 1D space < 1383483062 417923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be fairly possible < 1383483068 251353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bit inefficient < 1383483077 515016 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: and if you put after the end of a line? < 1383483112 618308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1383483173 167250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can certainly JIT befunge. < 1383483200 664834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just slightly tricky tracking what all needs to be invalidated when the fungespace changes. < 1383483245 369724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you treat each instruction as a single block, so that they're easy to replace, you can't e.g. constant-fold across the blocks, which makes the whole act of "compiling" it a bit pointless.) < 1383483352 592748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have any self-modifying code in you at all, anyway? < 1383483352 803661 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sarahbot, yow")" to make writing a bf interp < 1383483365 383960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoiler: not really, discounting things like ^reload.) < 1383483399 633109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have somewhere an ahead-of-time Befunge(-to-LLVM, I think) compiler that's complete enough to compile and run fungot. < 1383483399 823832 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if they meant it seriously, though. ( foo 1) to have x in the second < 1383483433 428867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doesn't do any tracking of fungespace modification.) < 1383483521 786976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though self-modification is not the only problem for static compilation. You can't necessarily tell the code flow in advance, either, if there's something like &&x in the code. < 1383483542 248731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's "read two integers from standard input and set the IP delta to that vector".) < 1383483714 785771 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383485510 444057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383487329 731947 :tertu!~tertu@63-254-35-62.ip.mcleodusa.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383487789 197249 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm trying to compile Chris Pressey's mascarpone interpreter in haskell, using ghc. the error message is " Could not find module `System' It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'.". should I explicitely tell ghc how to include this System module? < 1383487814 563176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-XHaskell98? < 1383487873 958815 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, doesn't work either < 1383488331 511915 :tertu!~tertu@63-254-35-62.ip.mcleodusa.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383488348 777491 :tertu!~tertu@63-254-35-62.ip.mcleodusa.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383488931 764026 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383489581 899017 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383489783 395400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383490538 704815 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383490714 721061 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383490764 283057 :tertu!~tertu@63-254-35-62.ip.mcleodusa.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383490782 840492 :tertu!~tertu@63.231.238.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383491293 60528 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee1111110 < 1383491445 157338 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383492831 815903 :tertu!~tertu@63.231.238.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383492916 323731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1383493416 19606 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383493872 433296 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383494022 797911 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383494363 796332 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1383494715 598848 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1383494946 158943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the only common thread I can see in our latest spambot rash, apart from the content of their posts (which I can't block unless abusefilter starts working again), is that they all claim to be using IE6 < 1383494949 661404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just block IE6? :) < 1383494988 574485 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, do people still use ie6 < 1383494996 380272 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll lose the east asian market < 1383494999 156618 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT : < 1383495040 252958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: who needs constant folding anyway < 1383495047 936408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my compiler produces for 3 + 5 < 1383495070 331099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :load32 r0, 3; push r0; load32 r0, 5; push r0; pop r1; pop r0; add r0, r0, r1; push r0; < 1383495073 327598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1383495075 861965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know if the spambots are actually using IE6, or just pretending < 1383495083 482627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the homogeneity of the user agent, I'd say it's faked < 1383495124 186449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then perhaps program it so that if the user agent string specifies IE6, it enables things that won't work if it isn't really IE6 < 1383495151 32483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, interesting, but also probably quite timeconsuming < 1383495179 251389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: What compiler is that? What programming language? < 1383495328 979582 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, when did chrome become the top browser < 1383495469 375941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: My pre-bachelor thesis is an developping an imaginary computer architecture < 1383495474 466153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-an < 1383495480 398881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an emulator for that architecture < 1383495506 135612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I came to the point where I did not want to write a line of assembler code anymore < 1383495512 462813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I started writing a complire < 1383495519 468831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my simple language :) < 1383495529 825702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/va/rlmmu_simple.html <- that language < 1383495531 329190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks like not a very good compiler < 1383495564 953928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1383495570 877016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a working compiler < 1383495580 557091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces code for a stack machine with two registers < 1383495588 566399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which my architecture is totally not < 1383495595 789435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arch has 16 registers :) < 1383495607 113361 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383495639 71738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for a machine with only two registers it looks like a bad code. < 1383495643 192452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes < 1383495654 977267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have the time to write a sophisticated compiler and emulator < 1383495662 821825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one of them is just quick'n'dirty < 1383495666 472960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having constant folding isn't the only problem. < 1383495667 942582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces working code < 1383495671 799041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good enough for me < 1383495674 198648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know < 1383495681 587725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even produces push r0; pop r0; blocks < 1383495683 735999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1383495692 116638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and push r0; pop r1; can be optimizied to mov r1, r0; < 1383495693 424489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1383495715 136882 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383495726 666379 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You are very welcome to write a better compiler < 1383495729 581517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even target x86 < 1383495730 961937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1383495738 838039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I plan to do anyway < 1383495744 800214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if semester's over < 1383495749 773433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :write an x86 codegen for it < 1383496675 787203 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383497607 479938 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.55.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383497609 127810 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.55.181 QUIT :Changing host < 1383497609 278903 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383497720 956858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make up some simple computer architecture which is mostly like other ones that GCC already support and can be programmed in a FPGA, and modified to the application in use < 1383497725 710086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Writing a gcc backend would have been too much work < 1383497765 790180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes, I know that is why I wanted to make one up that GCC can already compile into < 1383497872 882966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of ARM2 but maybe there is something better < 1383498017 439985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many implementations seem to be optimized and might make it difficult to predict how many clock cycles some sequence of instructions requires. If removing such thing would make it too slow, one work-around is to add an instruction to wait until a number of clock cycles have passed since the previous marker. < 1383498431 697776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULESSTHANOREQUAL < 1383498433 43997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383498440 531310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sound's like a reasonable mnemonic < 1383498460 12727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing looks like long to me < 1383498467 86096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1383498473 661093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD foo, bar < 1383498477 854807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULESSTHANOREQUAL foo, bar < 1383498480 249243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verity uses <= for unsigned less-than-or-equal-to, +<= for the signed version < 1383498482 394372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just looks crazy as fuck < 1383498492 952717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, its operators are made out of sequences of punctuation marks < 1383498529 915908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad, having a separate unsigned and signed operators, if you aren't specifying by the type like how C does. < 1383498556 575000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I decided separate signed and unsigned operators made more sense than separate signed and unsigned types < 1383498582 890889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, OK. What is that though? < 1383498608 659629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some operators like + and - use two's complement in Verity so it doesn't matter whether they're signed or unsigned < 1383498613 238383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't have division < 1383498626 972607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that makes sense for + and - < 1383498632 663319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's verity? < 1383498637 311060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for relational operators I have separate signed/unsigned values < 1383498649 201260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mostly non-eso language I was paid to work on for my job < 1383498652 898036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I was paid to invent it < 1383498657 191132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383498657 696898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383498662 154498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.veritygos.org/ < 1383498672 315497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went for seperate signed/unsigned operators too < 1383498678 834836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you need to invent it? < 1383498681 634700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I don't have the type system < 1383498689 971119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to distinguish it else < 1383498725 334225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.veritygos.org/documentation < 1383498737 671530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy for real html ;P? < 1383498742 773230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because there were no variants of Algol 60 specialised for reconfigurable hardware, oddly enough < 1383498749 70952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm not responsible for the website < 1383498767 271244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they asked for documentation in plaintext < 1383498773 847227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in markdown, on the basis that it looks much the same < 1383498778 359956 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383498790 945212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the only good use for markdown is to write markup in a way that looks like plaintext < 1383498793 779001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's good at taht < 1383498795 425265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1383498811 48891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is not bad, now you can load it in any program even if not having web browser, but you can also convert it to HTML if you prefer. < 1383498861 85288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you dumb it down for me < 1383498864 787358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's verity for? < 1383498881 19505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that describes hardware? < 1383498898 428308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean by hardware synthesis? < 1383498932 657569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's a language designed to be similar to the sort of functional languages people normally use to program software, but it's restricted such that it compiles into hardware well < 1383498951 100906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas most hardware development's done using languages like VHDL that are very unfamiliar < 1383498964 477523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that seems like a proper reason to me. < 1383499001 456953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still think that isn't the best way to program hardware, but it could be helpful if you want to write an emulator for the hardware, maybe) < 1383499082 854812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of other hardware programming languages too although I don't really think any of them are perfect so I tried to make up a new one, too < 1383499138 258219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like brainfuck and verilog? < 1383499141 482552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else is there? < 1383499169 156757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck isn't hardware programming language. There is Verilog, there is also VHDL, and several others (see Wikipedia), and I partially made up a documentation for my own. < 1383499191 481085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1383499199 116241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me grab me brainfuck 2 vhdl thingy < 1383499202 682202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can still find it < 1383499207 468478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my < 1383499281 157790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own hardware programming language is http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/hwpl.txt < 1383499296 618591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still some things missing; if you know about hardware programming maybe you can help to fix it? < 1383499441 20805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I know VHDL < 1383499445 123772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's as much as there is :) < 1383499471 802617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about designing it with discrete logic components? < 1383499472 127914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1383499491 11002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about Verilog and find some things it has are not very good for hardware design < 1383499496 917515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like FlipFlops, XOR, AND Gates etc? < 1383499498 816150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latches? < 1383499503 771344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1383499523 605916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1383499536 153284 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383499576 342369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'd actually expect from a VHDL/verilog programmer < 1383499586 952690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that he knows how he could synthesize basic vhdl programm by hand < 1383499592 113351 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programms < 1383499608 883841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand this document of HWPL? < 1383499647 640238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a prolog2vhdl compiler < 1383499663 428702 :njm!njm@tptp.cc NICK :utopian < 1383499690 168812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't completely read it yet < 1383499694 849304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from fastly reading through it < 1383499702 25361 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks understandable :) < 1383499714 438643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you notice anything that might be wrong with it? < 1383499796 786345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you understand under "running result"? < 1383499825 878604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you be specific? < 1383499835 294396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does append do? < 1383499839 482813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPEND vec < 1383499866 869557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a function, the "running result" is initially an empty vector. < 1383499896 464982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1383499950 867464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure how I should make that more clear in the documentation. < 1383500025 745129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that could be improved, is missing, etc? < 1383500075 595620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This HWPL is not like VHDL, right? < 1383500088 343001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't program the hardware on the level like you do in VHDL? < 1383500095 3391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct, it isn't VHDL or Verilog or whatever. < 1383500111 989071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know much of VHDL, but I know some things about Verilog. < 1383500120 856580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you build components and wire them together < 1383500126 507840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait for raising edges etc < 1383500129 971117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some similarities to Verilog but not quite. < 1383500130 649238 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't build < 1383500158 326682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you do have a DELAY function < 1383500171 658602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In HWPL you would write what is connected to what and what registers are updated on rising edges and so on, or write macros that will create these things for you. < 1383500180 837172 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383500200 92730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At runtime, the only type is a bit vector; other types only exist at compiletime. < 1383500219 415558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1383500252 777842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR loops and stuff are executed at compile time; so are IF, LET, SPLIT, and so on. < 1383500274 439553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want run time conditions you need to use WHEN instead of IF.) < 1383500400 650714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume DELAY is only for simulation? < 1383500456 774083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike in Verilog, no. A hardware compiler may also move things around so that things have higher or lower delays, or provide an error message or warning message if it cannot use the given delay. < 1383500504 371880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect the hardware compiler to calculate timings etc < 1383500518 646766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e you obviously can't clock stuff as high as you want :) < 1383500542 408910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your flipflops will get meta-stable :) < 1383500608 724643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, there is an inherent delay, but if the externally visible delay is shorter than the fastest clock speed (which might depend on the program) then it is OK anyways. < 1383500741 180869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DELAY function is provided if you want to make it slower or if you want to force certain hardware constraints such as in order to more accurately emulate other hardware, or possibly to avoid race conditions in a few cases. < 1383500742 335885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIGGER only works for rising edges < 1383500744 197085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not falling? < 1383500760 412322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes. If you want falling, put ~ in front of the signal. < 1383500767 251375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1383500771 60662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so TRIGGER ~vec? < 1383500779 204687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. < 1383500790 940409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1383500808 857209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1383500812 193249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use expressinos there < 1383500812 935963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1383500854 489451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expressions are allowed in most places where you can have a vector. < 1383500896 292632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to declare POWER and GROUND? < 1383500906 723784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's usually something you don't really worry about. < 1383500942 126910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is usually not necessary. < 1383500969 131899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some compilers might not even support it.) < 1383500982 159459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is provided in case it is necessary for your design.) < 1383501006 875031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fixed that part of the documentation now. < 1383501071 465331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One reason it might be necessary is if you are declaring an expansion cartridge pinout and the power/ground have to be in certain positions.) < 1383501114 500270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. ok < 1383501117 985941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I se. < 1383501120 922126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see < 1383501144 935958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add a CASE statement? < 1383501168 511483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like switch case < 1383501239 699005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it might help, yes (currently there is a ROM CASE statement but not a macro CASE statement). < 1383501373 88105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would conflict but maybe renaming the ROM CASE statement to something else might help?) < 1383501614 361886 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383501640 113405 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383501709 48472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF in VHDL afaik is sequentiel < 1383501744 903097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :case probably not < 1383501767 529895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it does not matter at least < 1383501971 919630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1383501988 326901 :utopian!njm@tptp.cc NICK :njm < 1383502002 340634 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383502039 114739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, HWPL has no such procedural blocks at run time like Verilog and VHDL have. < 1383502050 696099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything runs in parallel. < 1383502069 33560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Macros are sequential, but they are expanded at compile time.) < 1383502123 264047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1383502149 459284 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1383502267 342809 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383502485 44705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that something like MODULE MAIN ZZZZ1001: NOOP; is a valid (but useless) HWPL program having eight I/O pins. < 1383502577 895075 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfmitchell wanted to make a language that would make slapping a dick on a keyboard valid < 1383502580 776817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always outputs 1001 on the low four pins. < 1383502588 541066 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would wonder how this would work < 1383502595 85799 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking something like path < 1383502595 592514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I don't know how, either. < 1383502983 589374 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383503308 578035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad just told me to become a doctor and said something about a shortage of competent doctors < 1383503324 870628 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1383503384 207361 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor doctor or phd doctor < 1383503478 716907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medical doctor < 1383503539 313267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img6.joyreactor.com/pics/post/comics-married-to-the-sea-auto-221896.jpeg < 1383503622 238568 :pong!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383503646 238666 :pong!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 NICK :Guest66796 < 1383503652 418962 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1383503667 129391 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1383503672 352380 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383503744 255776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if most other doctors are less competent, and I don't pick up medical knowledge, I'm effectively trusting my life to incompetent people < 1383503756 900031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas if I become a doctor, I save lives possibly including my own < 1383503789 156479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are competent, then yes. < 1383503855 977560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my dad's assuming that I would be competent < 1383503857 622978 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctors cannot actually treat themselves < 1383503893 588645 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd see a lot more doctors smoking medicinal joints otherwise < 1383503912 152745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1383503950 429000 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also pretty hard for surgery < 1383503994 762837 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could look at your own charts, and at loves ones' charts, and see whether doctors are treating you and your loved ones correctly < 1383504064 680453 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you are yourself incompetent < 1383504082 917876 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or become it < 1383504084 138351 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1383504096 161415 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctors tend to worsen as they age < 1383504114 591519 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They lose touch with modern medical science < 1383504139 953196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does their handwriting get worse too? < 1383504194 713727 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if bad handwriting is something they pick up at med school < 1383504207 747157 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Med school has high volume classes < 1383504217 532824 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to take notes fast < 1383504225 429385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere that someone think everyone who writes too many things in one day will have bad handwriting < 1383504226 401865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think medicine involves a lot of tricky judgement calls; there's not an obvious right answer in every situation < 1383504248 975128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so second-guessing your doctor when you're emotionally close to the situation could do as much harm as good < 1383504277 968490 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you are a cold blooded sociopath < 1383504281 855868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases you can't just look at a chart and be like "hmm, yes, this doctor is an 8/10" < 1383504283 556578 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-196.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1383504315 286496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should all read http://www.amazon.com/Better-A-Surgeons-Notes-Performance/dp/0312427654 < 1383504324 169414 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-196.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1383504324 322591 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1383504358 424589 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1383504432 275489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn < 1383504465 960728 :Guest66796!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 NICK :^v < 1383505146 452799 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1383505235 839997 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383505288 586062 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383505317 672124 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1383505413 680468 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1383505796 819828 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383506081 559025 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383506501 563124 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@681591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383506595 616690 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383506743 810700 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383506781 617805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: before or after The Illuminatus! Trilogy? < 1383507068 507190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You interleave the words. < 1383507430 642031 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383507688 961396 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383507816 620803 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1383508072 837039 :pong!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383508109 206378 :pong!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :Guest12944 < 1383508247 253478 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383508261 151337 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:f911:a952:a32e:2a73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383508624 453105 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383508674 398187 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1383508804 799489 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1383509043 814849 :Guest12944!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383509109 462062 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383509372 140721 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1383509452 583238 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383509567 426645 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1383509637 517142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: after I expect < 1383509870 837143 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee1111110 < 1383509965 162296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383510147 347909 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383510305 368998 :Uguubee1111111!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383510315 465742 :Uguubee1111111!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Client Quit < 1383510408 352511 :Uguubee1111110!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383510666 515020 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6037:ef87:7bec:378f JOIN :#esoteric < 1383511309 749335 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383511329 474576 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1383511416 18535 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some one in home? < 1383511438 600571 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383511460 323690 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...wellcome Sporcklem < 1383511460 474718 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome JM563 < 1383511465 213434 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM563: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1383511473 361115 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks Bike. < 1383511532 585120 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any topic? < 1383511547 979558 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quiet < 1383511606 926922 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Bike, your soul is not quiet, do you have any topic on mine? < 1383511644 798854 :Uguubee1111111!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383511728 9494 :JM563!~JM@186.14.81.6 QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1383511786 748889 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383511799 57156 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry Bike, I am new. < 1383511911 651043 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like the astrolgoy as topic? < 1383511937 44861 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :astrology* < 1383512037 96416 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1383512042 762325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry? What astrology? < 1383512046 840038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the esolang wiki? < 1383512088 89104 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stellar astrology, no tropical or sideral...Stellar astrology. < 1383512130 575008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means what? < 1383512154 274819 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay...do you know tropical and sideral astrology? < 1383512155 937623 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember some kind of distincting between days < 1383512164 683532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome JM372 < 1383512167 352267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do know that. < 1383512167 503467 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM372: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1383512173 940961 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tnais Ais523 < 1383512184 111596 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the day as in rotation of Earth, vs Sun being at the same point, due to the revolution around the sun < 1383512184 262876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know tropical/sidereal just refers to how the zero longitude point is determined. < 1383512196 892223 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I imaginign things? < 1383512202 674256 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's astronomy, not astrology < 1383512235 596037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost posited a definition of 'astrology' that would count ST:TNG as astrology < 1383512248 365398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Are you thinking of day vs sidereal day or something? < 1383512252 461165 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Zzo...the Setellar astrology works withe the planets; and also, with some stars from the constellations. < 1383512254 178998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think so < 1383512294 447962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM372: Which stars? I have Astrolog installde which can calculate the positions of some stars (it can also calculate the positions of all constellations, but not all stars they include) < 1383512315 222688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you say it works with the planets and stars, but in what way? That doesn't help. < 1383512357 491378 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Zzo...www.astro.com can do so too...but the point is that you need to use in your personal astrology chart the principals stars. < 1383512375 503782 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can get one close idea about your complity astrological situation. < 1383512410 39154 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waht is your ascending Zzo? < 1383512413 271316 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astronomy: Related to the stars and is real. Astrology: Related to the stars and is fictional < 1383512416 427955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1383512452 392751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM372: I don't really do that kind of stuff I am not so superstitious, although I know a few things about it. To know my ascending I would have to know the time of my birth, and I never really tried to figure that out. < 1383512462 28237 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Sego, no the Stellar Astrology...The Stellar astrology use the astronomic information too. < 1383512496 594700 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Zzo....thanks for to be honest... < 1383512513 428452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have the horoscope chart for the current date/time/location on my screen at this time, and the list of stars it can chart. < 1383512521 788729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you name the stars? Maybe then I know what you mean. < 1383512562 747612 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo...I will like to, but at least, I need your birt time and date to give your a clear example < 1383512577 309538 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :birth* < 1383512593 432740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use the current date and time. I don't know my birth time and do not want to give the date (anyways, if you want to know ascendant, location is important too). < 1383512641 457337 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But according with your honesty you should be Virgo ascendant. < 1383512711 606494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you can assume that if you want; like I said I don't know my birth time. < 1383512713 590713 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you in USA or Ingland Zoo? Because you can get a copy of your birth certificate by Internet < 1383512728 658346 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :England* < 1383512758 593845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I can find my birth certificate somewhere around here, and I can then calculate it. < 1383512773 893605 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is okay Zzo...no problem.... < 1383512850 814857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops I forgot to disable daylight saving time in this program, now I did. < 1383512853 987557 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383512868 897788 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like Sgeo said, we need to use the effects of the stars for to make a complity astrological chart. < 1383512903 821083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can easily include several stars in the chart in this program. Which stars do you mean, though? < 1383512934 204745 :JM372!~JM@186.14.81.6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383513105 816942 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383513113 659804 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but I was booted < 1383513119 573131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I live in Canada) < 1383513131 318109 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need a nickname for to work in < 1383513226 199570 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Zoo, but you seems to be a person very honest, so it could means that your ascending sign in Virgo < 1383513252 820516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I said we can make that assumption if you want to. How many degrees though? < 1383513271 138243 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very strict person, but also honest. < 1383513309 497073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good man and thorough < 1383513320 821491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Make up a number arbitrarily if you don't know; if I am to set a time of day for this chart the degrees will also be needed) < 1383513321 983633 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to work with correct information Zzo...I can asumption what ever....but your birth time is very importan < 1383513335 133492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, *I don't know*. < 1383513362 339994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use data for a fictional character if you have to! < 1383513384 666703 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is okay Zzo...When you get so, we can talk more about your good personality. < 1383513413 228106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DEGREE < 1383513415 383371 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1383513416 615144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I might be able to find my birth certificate around here somewhere. < 1383513418 144644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DEGREE SYMBOL < 1383513419 953009 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1383513424 679791 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Zzo...do you know your solar sign? < 1383513430 277831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not wish to reveal my personal information, although I can calculate the positions on computer. < 1383513437 135269 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383513454 865227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DEGREE SIGN < 1383513456 384438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: Yes, I do know that, although I wish not to reveal it. (It isn't close to the edge of the sign enough that the time of day would be needed.) < 1383513456 919064 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​° < 1383513459 797318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1383513465 843838 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1383513502 659833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell me what stars to plot, though, I can tell the computer to plot those stars. < 1383513505 717591 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is okay Zzo...I understand your point. < 1383513594 922850 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo... in www.astro.com, they are usign some stars in the charts....but try to use the most important stars of the 12 constelacions...At least, the most shiny stars. < 1383513617 985928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LOWERCASE THETA < 1383513619 659787 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1383513620 20704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 88 constellations. < 1383513623 296748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LOWERCASE GREEK LETTER THETA < 1383513625 170356 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1383513629 138450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing needs fuzzy matching < 1383513642 955032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA < 1383513644 910912 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beside Zzo...use the sideral astrology, it works much beter than the tropical one. < 1383513645 62092 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​θ < 1383513649 209285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are the 12 constellations that the signs are named after, and one more which is also on the ecliptic though) < 1383513658 707710 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo...the zodical constelations. < 1383513668 181071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: OK. What reference should be used for ayanamsha then? < 1383513686 905170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This program defaults to Fagan-Bradley) < 1383513708 373378 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1383513728 419487 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Fagan-Bradley? < 1383513746 193184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well, I have it on the screen in sidereal Fagan-Bradley mode. < 1383513799 766728 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383513801 962312 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if in your progam you can use all the stars, tray at least to use the more brights and try to see what star is close to your sun. < 1383513833 237471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1383513840 532480 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to your sun and in conjuntion with the house or sector I. < 1383513911 187191 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this will gives to you one close idea about your physical personality (Ascendant) and spritual personality (Solar sign) < 1383514058 904242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the fourteen brightest stars (according to a list in Wikipedia). < 1383514130 19492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in average apparent magnitude) < 1383514158 953816 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is okay...14 stras are good... < 1383514190 873217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them are in conjunction with the Sun. < 1383514195 330186 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than 14 will be much better, but it is better < 1383514210 482205 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1383514213 185139 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in your solar sign? < 1383514235 558740 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383514271 648286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one is in my solar sign (using Fagan-Bradley). < 1383514309 214774 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay...but do you know the characteristic of this star? < 1383514343 766011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "characteristic" of a star? < 1383514439 574765 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay...for ejemple...Antares in Scorpio...this mean that you need to work in this encarnation with your inner personality, making deep and big changes or....you will be a bit violent < 1383514440 704966 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1383514445 272815 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get the idea? < 1383514453 119022 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1383514496 713664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of. I still don't know what a characteristic of a star means. < 1383514536 859131 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magnitude and color of the stars, it shows your a more or lees the characteristic. < 1383514583 236904 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :attribute...Sorry Zzo...I have too many years I do not use the english. < 1383514682 144378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. Well, I do have the magnitude and color of the stars, I can look it up in Wikipedia just fine. But why do you want the color and magnitude? Certainly I know the color of the star is related to its temperature, and stuff like that, but I don't know what you are trying to do with them. < 1383514693 5919 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the principal stars are the ascendant, solar sign, moon sign, fate sign and couple sign. < 1383514696 62320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: do you understand what this channel's for? < 1383514722 124276 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay...good question. < 1383514745 34931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, I thought up a new BF Joust strategy last night < 1383514752 612672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have the time to write it into a program right now < 1383514754 728528 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know to work the colors? I mean, do you know that are the attribute of each color? < 1383514759 916248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try later < 1383514760 67192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: ais523 does make a good point. You should look at the esolang wiki if you want to understand most of what we write here. < 1383514783 379190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: I don't know what "to work the colors" means. < 1383514817 770871 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383514820 837124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: what I'm worried about, really, is a) this channel isn't actually about astrology, b) zzo38 is probably the only person here who is interested in astrology, and he doesn't know what you're talking about < 1383514822 741770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's probably wrong < 1383514825 209982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to being offtopic < 1383514842 179450 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay Zzo...each colors got some attributes. < 1383514871 190798 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being offtopic? < 1383514872 113895 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1383514888 61540 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can not talk about astrology? < 1383514911 646015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: not here < 1383514915 532256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `welcome has the appropriate channel in < 1383514916 725897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did find "Stars in astrology" in Wikipedia. I don't really care much about where all the planets are at my birth; I am more interested in the here and now. < 1383514918 780265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome JM383 < 1383514921 213050 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JM383: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1383514927 630499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you've been welcomed three times already < 1383514929 138399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes it is offtopic. < 1383514941 872326 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha...okay Ais, please pardon me for, but I was looking for a topic. < 1383514945 295252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Many offtopic things are sometimes discussed in here, but you still ought to learn what is ontopic) < 1383514967 436592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to put it another way, offtopic conversation is more tolerated from people who participate in the ontopic conversations < 1383514973 533500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In order to learn what is the interests too, since astrology isn't much of an interest.) < 1383514991 251090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1383514995 553258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is anther way to put it too; good idea. < 1383515004 969470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unless there's a language that depends on astrological constellation < 1383515011 653368 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1383515015 995301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: we could invent one < 1383515019 368300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gravity is the closest < 1383515024 711207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1383515030 365193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can always invent eso languages :) < 1383515036 2688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Actually yes I did write in "List of ideas" something about that! < 1383515042 728821 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1383515044 997973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383515050 77870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it can be done, somehow. < 1383515058 529369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1383515070 18112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure astrological constellations can be pre-calculated somehow < 1383515071 486215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1383515076 455416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1383515096 898113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Positions of planets, stars, etc can be calculated accurately for past and future using ephemeris. < 1383515101 901285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could cheat and set the system time to a specific value :( < 1383515121 380841 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless!!! < 1383515124 646368 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trusted computing stuff < 1383515129 429765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that prevents you from doing so < 1383515152 108441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really the only thing I can think of is something similar to Wait, although I wanted to think of something more interesting and different than that.) < 1383515231 299896 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...pardon me for to be out-topic. < 1383515262 513837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is on topic as long as you invent a language for it < 1383515270 223521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more complicated thing would also have an actual program in addition to that, and would allow certain events to change the parameters of the horoscope (house system, ayanamsha, harmonic factor, etc) and so on. < 1383515281 376391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fengshui? < 1383515300 937666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Maybe you can make something related to fengshui too. After all there are a lot of unusual ideas! < 1383515310 394306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1383515326 820670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any papers about empirically measuring the feng shui level of a user? < 1383515353 22269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe through blood, finger print, electrodes < 1383515356 988717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain scans < 1383515424 297819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1383515436 957972 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for your time and again, pardon me for. < 1383515465 564860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know gnuplot < 1383515470 396098 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I can make one up < 1383515486 505237 :JM383!~JM@186.14.81.6 QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1383515537 942058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Society for Scientific Exploration has any; they do try to write scientific papers relating to telepathy and astrology and so on. < 1383515576 671804 :njm!njm@tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux tptp.cc 2.6.32-358.6.2.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu May 16 20:59:36 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1383515588 30103 :utopian!njm@ultra30.tptp.cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1383515590 830933 :utopian!njm@ultra30.tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux ultra30.tptp.cc 3.10.7-gentoo-r1 #1 PREEMPT Sat Nov 2 19:03:59 EDT 2013 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc II (BlackBird) GNU/Linux < 1383515624 207726 :utopian!njm@ultra30.tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yehhhhhhhhhhh < 1383515639 566296 :utopian!njm@ultra30.tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion hi there sweety < 1383515684 247460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About fengshui, I know it uses various different "schools" of fengshui, and the oldest one is called "form school", which is the only one I think has some partial validity and reasonableness, from what I can tell. < 1383516142 139487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE does have a paper titled "How to Reject Any Scientific Manuscript". It also has some titles I do not understand, such as "Phenomenology of N,N-Dimethyltryptamine Use: A Thematic Analysis". < 1383516191 10657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have one title which does look like something I have thought about in the past: "Ockhams Razor and Its Improper Use". < 1383516211 854852 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1383516229 42156 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383516239 374805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMT's a hell of a drug < 1383516279 337579 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't tried it outside of ayahuasca < 1383516285 13757 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is deprived < 1383516300 267642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deprived / depraved < 1383516305 528891 :utopian!njm@ultra30.tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/319595_1585878742417_31179844_n.jpg < 1383516308 535209 :utopian!njm@ultra30.tptp.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMT I made a few years back < 1383516310 638241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried DMT either, but I did take 5-MeO-DMT < 1383516367 918214 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383516378 233093 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383516383 688056 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everyone. < 1383516389 77700 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is my presentee nick. < 1383516406 383728 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nick I use when I'm actually here and paying attention. < 1383516409 933145 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike tswett_q here. < 1383516412 731300 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's he even doing here? < 1383516417 526608 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1383516423 32838 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-solving multi-king chess problems. < 1383516425 917582 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they Turing-complete? < 1383516501 229840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rules are used with multi-kings? < 1383516502 232241 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1383516513 399789 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A move is legal only if at the end of it, none of your kings are in check. < 1383516522 886136 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383516534 81002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1383516550 153856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Different chess variants with multiple kings use different rules.) < 1383516574 817590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is Turing-complete with unlimited board sizes possibly? < 1383516599 85860 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if zzo38 is talking about chess being turing-complete < 1383516606 495359 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, an easy-seeming question is whether or not it's Turing-complete with an infinite board and infinitely many pieces. < 1383516617 572938 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more interesting question, perhaps, is whether or not it's Turing-complete with only finitely many pieces. < 1383516640 508706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is it? I don't know that answer either. < 1383516739 30525 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems pretty hard to constrain pieces to move in only way. It's only obvious how to do this with the pawn. If there aren't any enemy pieces around, the pawn can only move forward. < 1383516901 589457 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383517353 68838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-transforming machine elves, are they turing complete < 1383517425 2701 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think how you'd do any kind of computation at all with SSMKCPs. < 1383517461 590838 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_w, but Wang tiles are turing-complete and you can't do computation with them < 1383517483 702219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't? < 1383517483 925436 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess that's true. < 1383517488 505441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :por que no < 1383517494 373623 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no, they're just tiles < 1383517502 59580 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think how you'd represent any kind of computation at all with SSMKCPs. < 1383517510 527172 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm going to bed now < 1383517510 678114 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1383517513 377838 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.194 QUIT :Quit: me --> bed < 1383517547 520728 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I"m reminded of a C program containing this line: < 1383517550 94370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1383517557 522127 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"while (x --> 0) { // x goes to 0" < 1383517616 776053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm reminded of continuous brainfuck < 1383517632 614917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever if was called. < 1383517657 989643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :running a program required solving differential equations. < 1383517700 632600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically + and - adjusted a cell infinitesimally. < 1383517724 629439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling oklopol was involved. < 1383517775 119585 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that sounds interesting. < 1383517784 369917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does < 1383517792 966430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have a monthly Least Boring BF Derivative prize < 1383517800 127289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "derivative" heh < 1383517810 250889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : My dad just told me to become a doctor and said something about a shortage of competent doctors <-- are you ben from darths & droids. < 1383517821 19075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hes Sgeo from the internet < 1383517824 431718 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read Darth & Droids < 1383517848 675363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's even _more_ implausible! < 1383517876 319832 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that that comic strip that parodies Star Wars I by presenting it as a D&D campaign? < 1383517883 525509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1383517903 321777 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Star Wars I was considered utterly horrible? < 1383517906 119871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except they're up to V now. < 1383517919 975289 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen IV so fa < 1383517920 884850 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :far < 1383517926 28520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was half asleep < 1383517929 498467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IV, II, III, V, VI < 1383517942 707923 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed a bit cheesy < 1383517945 823769 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :IV is the worst of the OT by far. < 1383517955 503693 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Machete was IV V II III VI < 1383517959 148463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :V is the only one i've seen in a genuine cinema, although i've picked up parts of I on tv. < 1383517961 709287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, I couldn't wait to graduate to Operating Thetan level V < 1383517971 285432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not coincidentally the only one directed by Lucas. < 1383518004 712600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one of the accomplishments of darths & droids is that they made the most hated character in I look likeable. < 1383518013 50123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sgeo is from the internet? < 1383518014 452703 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds fun < 1383518031 236463 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a novelization of I, come to think of it < 1383518034 208020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Anakin's POV < 1383518057 686120 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think as a kid I've read a lot of novelizations < 1383518071 511917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep being surprised by the concept of Kenan and Kel as a TV show < 1383518227 430995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kenan made the move up to SNL < 1383518282 253303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kel disappeared from society and lives in a cabin in the woods with Grothendieck < 1383518394 359502 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6037:ef87:7bec:378f QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1383518422 958454 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This music I'm listening to is somewhat inappropriate for a hellish world with superpowers, yet it's now associated with it indelibly in my mind < 1383518453 925610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_w: you can trap bishops behind pawn chains of their own-colored pawns < 1383518456 160309 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:6037:ef87:7bec:378f JOIN :#esoteric < 1383518489 811547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrapSaccharineWorld ? < 1383518508 759113 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not sure if it's really hellish < 1383518532 205654 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in the city that's the main focus, gangs of supervillians control the area, I think < 1383518544 317686 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wasn't sure whether you were telling the truth about what Darths & Droids was, so I looked it up. < 1383518562 775468 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I gotta go do homework and stuff. See all y'all guys. < 1383518565 295167 :tswett_w!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1383518609 398659 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try a wind tunnel < 1383518635 853322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesomely unspecific < 1383518639 992945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i want to try a laser" < 1383518660 328427 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, one of those places that's like skydiving but in an indoor cylindrical area < 1383518679 977031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.funfix.com/Indoor-Wind-Tunnels/New-York/ < 1383518681 848209 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1383518684 926069 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/72760181 < 1383518767 755403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_w the doubter < 1383518976 560825 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383519015 313797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1383519144 762514 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try Ada < 1383519195 956438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I certainly should at least try to get an understanding of its concurrency model < 1383519203 780509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try Ada, I'll try DMT, we can compare notes < 1383519227 149917 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is DMT's concurrency model? < 1383519246 371426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't Mention Threads < 1383519247 214589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Ada distinguishes procedures and functions? Or is that just for protected objects? < 1383519260 607160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc functions have return values, procedures don't < 1383519274 61625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a popular model < 1383520087 409294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is trying Ada remotely like trying an indoor wind tunnel flying place? < 1383520124 491476 :eyhg7w5yt!~kuyhbg879@197.121.143.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383520149 153777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoth the writing desk < 1383520200 360994 :eyhg7w5yt!~kuyhbg879@197.121.143.83 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1383520218 852457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad zzo38 was around when JM372 showed up < 1383520251 313735 :eyhg7w5yt!~kuyhbg879@197.121.143.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383520302 336525 :eyhg7w5yt!~kuyhbg879@197.121.143.83 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1383520330 346316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "JM372" sounds like a synthetic cannabinoid < 1383520344 897000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah. OK. I also didn't know it sounds like a synthetic cannabinoid. < 1383520389 717632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cannabinoids jesus there are a lot of these now < 1383520437 899995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kids wanna get high on some 2-Isopropyl-5-methyl-1-(2,6-dihydroxy-4-nonylphenyl)cyclohex-1-ene < 1383520573 486460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you, but I don't want to. < 1383520613 573485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is fine too < 1383520627 897226 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get high on dihydrogen monoxide? < 1383520655 530276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1383520672 417835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw i hope i didn't scare him off with my #drugz talk < 1383520700 188983 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I click < 1383520711 401894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's hard to tell whether zzo38 doesn't get most jokes or just has an incredibly deadpan response < 1383520854 466208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he definitely seems like someone who does have a sense of humor and it's for him, not for other people < 1383520869 330488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is commendable < 1383520926 197301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 you're great, also sorry if I scared you off with #drugz talk < 1383520926 656001 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1383520953 536151 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHMO is the primary ingredient in common forms of 'alternative therapy', which has killed numerous people < 1383520981 257134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true! < 1383520984 903033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some might say the only ingredient < 1383521075 954438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it has also been used to kill people outright. < 1383521164 256585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear bangladesh has big trouble with increasing DHMO levels. < 1383521251 165387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in coastal environments < 1383521295 64873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the chinese have spent enormous sums of money trying to control it. < 1383521475 914084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even norway has regular overexposure incidents. < 1383521983 845571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383521996 913747 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1383522161 107339 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1383522247 77486 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1383522249 798682 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1383522566 303502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the prosperity of the dutch is largely a result of a forward-thinking centuries-old program to remove DMSO from the area around major cities < 1383522604 163591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*H < 1383522609 705382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha lol < 1383522612 307275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucked up that joke bad < 1383522634 185452 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1383522634 729217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you confused it with MSG, also a problem substance < 1383522647 169428 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.72.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMSO sounds like it might actually be a bad thing < 1383522652 104830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you can't laugh at yourself causing people to laugh at you instead of with you, who can you laugh at < 1383522660 367823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu: it's mostly useful for getting other things (good or bad) through your skin < 1383522667 413290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how harmful it is by itself < 1383522691 770478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although it has some niche medicinal uses it also has significant known side effects. It has been discussed as treatment for cancer and other conditions."