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02:26:12 * oerjan swats you both for that stuff -----###
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02:27:27 <LinearInterpol> general inquiry about the current context of the previous element of text.
02:27:31 <quintopia> groanworthy pun about the response, lowering the overall tone
02:27:55 <oerjan> LinearInterpol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic
02:28:34 <LinearInterpol> exclamatory remark regarding a sense of understanding.
02:29:01 <quintopia> comment of approval regarding oerjan's helpful nature and abstention from hthing
02:29:20 <oerjan> elliott: hambiguitous reply
02:29:47 <ais523> is LinearInterpol a bot?
02:29:59 <oerjan> ais523: negative response
02:30:05 <LinearInterpol> laughter accompanied by an extended explanation as to the reasoning of my laughter.
02:30:17 <quintopia> oerjan: inquiry of interest into possible metadiscussion?
02:30:44 <oerjan> quintopia: worry about being hit by anvils
02:30:54 <LinearInterpol> fuck every other channel on this network I love you all already.
02:34:31 <ais523> was Oj742_wheatly specifically designed to beat preparation?
02:34:38 <ais523> I guess I may as well update preparation to the most recent version, anyway
02:34:57 <ais523> !bfjoust preparation nethack4.org/esolangs/preparation.bj
02:35:05 <EgoBot> Score for ais523_preparation: 6.7
02:35:37 <quintopia> i should get around to finishing updating space_hotel with the other stuff
02:35:44 <oerjan> maybe you should ask Oj742, i think e's been here at least once.
02:35:44 <ais523> !bfjoust preparation http://nethack4.org/esolangs/preparation.bj
02:35:49 <EgoBot> Score for ais523_preparation: 46.9
02:35:56 <ais523> just I specified the URL as the program
02:36:00 <ais523> 46.9 is still too low though
02:36:23 <ais523> it's fourth, that's about where it was before
02:36:40 <ais523> and its win/loss is correct
02:37:05 <ais523> also, huh, omnipotence is back on top
02:37:35 <quintopia> did Oj ever finish providing a description of smartlock for the wiki
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02:39:42 <ais523> quintopia: not sure, but there's a decent description in source code comments
02:39:54 <ais523> it's basically the same strategy as defend9 except he/she actually made it work
02:40:06 <ais523> nice to see other people trying strategies on a similar crazy level to mine
02:40:27 <quintopia> gratifying that you're not the craziest on earth?
02:40:38 <quintopia> maybe you could provide the description then
02:40:50 <ais523> it means that other people are putting a bunch of thought into BF Joust
02:43:20 <quintopia> it means that one other person is :P
02:43:42 <ais523> well, I only need one person competing with me to keep things interesting
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03:29:02 <Sgeo> I introduced my gf to Multimedia Fusion 2 :/
03:29:41 <coppro> the mistake was having a gf
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03:35:40 <kmc> why is that ":/" Sgeo
03:36:12 <Sgeo> I keep hearing (ok, from one source -- probably the most well-known user) that MMF2 sucks
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03:47:20 <ais523> Sgeo: Kayin, I take it?
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04:01:36 <kmc> what does your gf do Sgeo
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04:16:18 <Sgeo> She's still in college, programming major
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04:28:32 <tswett> God damn it, who created ///
04:29:10 <tswett> There's no way to perform a replacement only in a specified region. If you do a replacement anywhere at any time, it affects the entire remainder of the program.
04:29:35 <tswett> The pattern must be a specific string. You can't have a pattern with variables in it and then use those variables on the right hand side.
04:30:31 <tswett> I'm trying to think of a way to make it so that the string "98_97_96_…_4_3_2" expands out to the relevant part of the beer song.
04:31:43 <tswett> My first thought was to place each number in a little replacement. Like, you could say "/DD/98/DD bottles of beer on the wall, DD bottles of beer".
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04:32:01 <tswett> But... wait... will that actually work?
04:32:19 <tswett> Oh gosh, I hate it, but I think it will.
04:33:02 <tswett> The first replacement replaces DD with 98 in a string containing DD, as well as the rest of the program.
04:33:23 <tswett> The second replacement was intended to replace DD with 97 in a string containing DD. But instead it replaces 98 with 97 in a string containing 98.
04:38:22 <oerjan> tswett: you might want to use /D\D/98/ etc.
04:38:44 <tswett> Right. Being able to stick that backslash in there was why I used two Ds.
04:40:01 <oerjan> what you frequently want, is to alternate between two different token names, so you can change things back.
04:42:07 <oerjan> well i can certainly see how to do what you are trying, although i won't spoil it unprompted.
04:42:24 <tswett> Yeah, I'm having a decent amount of fun trying to figure this all out.
04:44:21 <tswett> Sorta funny how if you're using replacements to define a bunch of symbols as meaning other strings, you'll want to place each definition *before* the definitions it relies on.
04:46:04 <quintopia> oerjan: what is your favorite esolang
04:46:18 <oerjan> if there are no \/ inside you can sometimes reorder them.
04:46:37 <tswett> Yeah. But that makes stuff a little harder to think about.
04:47:01 <tswett> Yeah, a tricky aspect of this language is that it *requires* you to say one thing when you actually mean another.
04:47:25 <oerjan> quintopia: i think underload has the top spot.
04:47:47 <quintopia> oerjan: what's your favorite of yours?
04:48:11 <oerjan> quintopia: sense of making try you can?
04:48:24 <tswett> I assume "your favorite language you created".
04:51:11 <Sgeo> I've created so few and I think only one isn't total garbage
04:51:24 <tswett> oerjan: you head-final order in written English read can?
04:51:49 <ais523> perhaps you could use the Forte method of doing 99 bottles of beer
04:52:01 <quintopia> tswett: did head-final and order get switched there?
04:52:02 <oerjan> tswett: that hard not it is
04:52:04 <ais523> the arithmetic makes it awkward
04:52:18 <tswett> quintopia: no. "Order" is the head of "head-final order", so it's placed finally.
04:53:09 <quintopia> i guess i don't understand head-final order then. no idea why the first word came first, then the rest from the end backwards except for the last two...
04:53:46 <oerjan> ais523: it seemed to me like he was nearly doing that, although that means you have to print out before constructing.
04:54:01 <tswett> quintopia: well, head-final order means that the head of a phrase comes at the end of it.
04:54:03 <oerjan> *before finishing constructinh
04:54:07 <tswett> So first you put the modifying word, then you put the word modified.
04:54:54 <quintopia> tswett: so you modifies the phrase "can read English written in head-final order"?
04:55:18 <tswett> quintopia: no, "you" and "read English written in head-final order" both modify "can".
04:55:48 <tswett> Vaguely like backwards Lisp. (you ((((((head final) order) in) written) English) read) can)
04:55:51 <quintopia> yeah i think that convention needs more syntax to make it clear what so
04:56:30 <oerjan> the tricky part is that english itself is not entirely head-initial, so you cannot just reverse the sentence.
04:56:56 <tswett> At least for me, that's a lot easier in head-initial order. (can you (read (English (written (in (order (initial head)))))))
04:57:03 <quintopia> is there a language that is completely head-initial?
04:57:27 <tswett> That'd be completely head-final.
04:57:39 <Bike> what about : ;
04:57:43 <Bike> never quite understood that
04:57:51 <quintopia> latin is not head-final i realize. adjectives usually come after their nouns
04:57:53 <tswett> /// is completely head-final, too. You put the modifier first, the thing modified second.
04:58:16 <tswett> oerjan: do you know if in Japanese, an adjective can sometimes follow a noun?
04:58:27 <oerjan> tswett: i don't know japanese
04:58:37 <Bike> does japanese even have adjectives
04:58:47 <tswett> Isn't there some o-person in here who... nope, I was one letter off. It was a p-person.
04:58:48 <oerjan> quintopia: beat me to it :P
04:59:08 <tswett> There's this music project called something like "mirakuru myujikaru", presumably meaning "musical miracle".
04:59:19 <oerjan> well oklopol has learned some iirc
04:59:49 <tswett> ミラクルミュージカル, to be exact.
05:00:08 <pikhq> Adjectives always go before nouns.
05:00:19 <tswett> I have this list of songs I like, in alphabetical order by artist. Naturally, ミラクルミュージカル comes between Malcolm Brown and Modest Mouse.
05:00:29 <tswett> pikhq: does that mean ミラクルミュージカル is grammatically incorrect, or is there something else going on?
05:00:41 <tswett> Verbs in Japanese always go at the very end, as far as I know.
05:00:46 <pikhq> tswett: "Miraculous musical" is probably the meaning.
05:00:52 <pikhq> quintopia: Almost always at the end.
05:01:07 <quintopia> pikhq: is japanese a pure head-inital language (by convention)?
05:01:08 <tswett> pikhq: ah yeah, that'd make a bit more sense.
05:01:33 <tswett> So, I'm gonna have to consciously think about the stages that this 99-bottles program is going to go through...
05:01:49 <pikhq> quintopia: No, pure head final.
05:02:06 <tswett> pikhq: can you think of anything whatsoever in Japanese that isn't head-final?
05:02:36 * quintopia wonders what is the probability of tswett independently nearly-exactly duplicating the existing 99bottles in ///
05:02:59 <oerjan> quintopia: very low, since he has a different goal
05:03:11 <pikhq> Aside from very casual use where the subject of a sentence goes after the rest of the sentence. "Hen ja ne, anta" for instance.
05:03:13 <tswett> oerjan: what's my goal?
05:03:32 <pikhq> Other than that, nothing that's not head final exists to my knowledge.
05:04:03 <oerjan> quintopia: alternatively very high, since he wrote it in the first place
05:04:14 <pikhq> Though "to my knowledge" is an important qualifier.
05:06:04 <oerjan> tswett: to start with 99_98_97_... literally in the program, iiuc
05:07:32 <pikhq> To use a previous example, "Anata wa heddo fainaru oodaa de kaita nihongo wo yomeru ka" is utterly sane Japanese. ("YOU (subject) HEAD FINAL ORDER (by means of) WRITTEN JAPANESE (object) READ(CAN) (question)" or some such for the gloss)
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05:08:55 <oerjan> <oerjan> tswett: to start with 99_98_97_... literally in the program, iiuc
05:09:07 <pikhq> And indeed the most natural way of expressing it.
05:10:00 <pikhq> What, like Japanese does neologisms for its technical vocabulary. :P
05:10:17 <quintopia> seems like that's one that could be translated in part
05:10:41 <tswett> Wow, so the Japanese sentence is pretty much a word-for-word translation of the HFO English.
05:10:43 <pikhq> Yeah, probably "heddo fainaru jun"
05:10:52 <tswett> It just has a few more markers.
05:11:08 <quintopia> tswett: like the parens i wanted :P
05:11:37 <tswett> Now, what about conjunctions? One might argue that the head of "Edo to Aru" is "to".
05:12:06 <tswett> One is relatively unlikely to argue that that phrase has exactly one head, and it's "Aru".
05:12:24 <tswett> Heheh. My phone tried to correct "Aru" to "Arufonsu".
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05:13:13 <ais523> where's metasepia when you need it?
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05:14:07 <pikhq> Though, "to" isn't really the word "and" at all.
05:14:10 <ais523> I know Emacs does really aggressive autocomplete when there's only a limited set of possible input values
05:14:45 <pikhq> It's more like the "mo" particle, in that it more states that the noun is also being included.
05:15:02 <pikhq> Arufonsu: Explain "tomodachi to hanashita"
05:15:20 <Arufonsu> I don't know what those words mean.
05:15:25 <quintopia> pikhq: so like the particle "as well as" in english?
05:15:39 <pikhq> quintopia: Something like that, yes.
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05:17:18 <pikhq> Arufonsu: "tomodachi" is "friend", "hanashita" is "talk" past tense.
05:17:28 <pikhq> "Tomodachi to hanashita" is "(I) talked with my friend."
05:18:37 <Arufonsu> So yeah, vaguely like "included".
05:18:51 <Arufonsu> "My friend included, I talked."
05:19:06 <Arufonsu> "Ed included, Al is going to end up dead."
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05:20:18 <pikhq> It works identically to the "ya" particle. ("ya" is used for stating more vague sets of inclusion. Like, "eddo ya aru ya shinu hazu" would be "From the set of Ed and Al, one must die.")
05:21:15 <pikhq> "ya" is more "etc."
05:21:28 <pikhq> "Eddo ya aru ya shinu hazu". "Ed, Al, etc. must die."
05:22:24 <Arufonsu> (Pretty sure it sounded like Edo to me.)
05:22:39 <pikhq> It's "Eddo", not "Edo".
05:23:27 <pikhq> Oh, blah, it is "Edo".
05:23:29 <Arufonsu> Is that what it says in the manga?
05:23:32 <pikhq> It's been a few years.
05:24:03 <Arufonsu> What language are manga written in? Manganese.
05:24:13 <pikhq> For some reason seems like it should be "Eddo", but *shrug*
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06:10:04 <quintopia> just had an idea for a programming game. incredibly simple to describe game.
06:13:24 <quintopia> the two fighting programs are just descriptions of 2D totalistic CAs, where the states are given by numbers. the battle happens by just concatenating the two rulesets and applying it, plugging in 0 for "ME" and 1 for "THEM" on one set, and the reverse on the other set. if the playfield is more 0 at the end of 1000000 cycles, player 1 wins, if its more 1, player 2 wins,
06:14:58 <quintopia> well, hmm, it might be better if player 2's states are all incremented to be above the maximum value player 1 used. then no conflict resolution is necessary
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06:15:52 <quintopia> so that's the whole game. and i bet it's the deepest programming game ever invented
06:17:18 <quintopia> hmm it'd be more fun if you could know and mess with the other player's states on purpose
06:17:30 <quintopia> i'll have to think on the conflict resolution
06:19:58 <quintopia> just have it automatically remap "-1" to "what the other player sees as 1" and likewise for -2 etc.
06:20:17 <quintopia> and disallow those from appearing on the left side of a transition
06:21:20 <ais523> btw, example.com was redesigned again
06:21:27 <quintopia> so the playfield would always start with a 1 and a -1 far from each other
06:23:26 <coppro> ais523: redesigning example.org
06:23:28 <ais523> I like the fact that someone's maintaining it
06:23:39 <coppro> I find that incredibly amusing for some reason
06:23:57 <ais523> especially because it doesn't exist, by definition
06:24:19 <coppro> ok, that's awesome: https://twitter.com/dkennedyglans/status/410973896267948032/photo/1
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08:23:14 <ais523> found via Reddit: someone's written a compiler from BF into ELF relocations, that work via making the dynamic loader overwrite its own internal state: https://github.com/bx/elf-bf-tools
08:42:07 <oklopol> Hen ja ne, anta <<< does this mean "lol u so silly ^_______________^"
08:42:30 <olsner> I think it does, pretty much
08:44:50 <oklopol> "<pikhq> Though, "to" isn't really the word "and" at all." <<< tswett used it as infix tho, isn't it and then?
08:46:00 <oklopol> '<pikhq> "ya" is more "etc."' in finnish, "ya" means "and". written "ja" though.
08:49:53 <oklopol> so we have two articles where we talk about commutators of cellular automata
08:50:07 <oklopol> and turns out they are both about centralizers
08:50:40 <oklopol> just somehow i never connected the dots even though i see both basic group theory stuff and our article pretty much every week
08:52:25 <oklopol> (neither did the referees, but these were just conference papers; although referees usually don't notice any actual problems in journal submissions either, they just notice whether you cite his articles)
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08:56:43 <oklopol> it's funny how you can spend hundreds of hours on something and not notice that even the fucking _title_ has a horrible mistake.
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10:00:27 <fizzie> (Also "Why" could well be a name of a journal.)
10:00:36 <fizzie> Science, Nature and Why.
10:23:32 <b_jonas> fizzie: it might not be that the reviewer is from that group. if the reviewer finds one article from that group, than lots of references and searches will likely lead him to find other articles by that group.
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10:27:26 <ion> wat http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages
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11:21:14 <mroman> Didn't somebody earlier mention a programming game using 2D automatons?
11:22:31 <mroman> but there must be restrictions on how many offspring a cell can produce and how many enemies it can eat
11:24:56 <oklopol> fizzie: recently we had this sort of thing, but not suggestions but "you need to include the following". it didn't have much to do with anything, but we fixed everything else. we tried again and the comment was "the paper is now fine, except that the authors need to cite xxx even though they decided to use a different technique".
11:24:58 <mroman> like can produce one offspring per cecly or kill one enemy cell per cycle
11:25:20 <mroman> that or you consider killing and producing offspring the same thing
11:25:32 <oklopol> basically everyone has a paper with similar computations, and he wants us to cite exactly his even though it's something very specific (and very different).
11:27:47 * atriq is once again researching my family tree
11:28:44 <oklopol> some time ago i reviewed something that proved a special case of something i had in my master's thesis
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11:38:39 <atriq> Apparently my gran's uncle was a gas worker, not a barber as we had previously thought
11:51:54 <fizzie> oklopol: That's kind of a brazen thing to do, but I guess as a reviewer it's certainly possible.
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14:16:14 <fizzie> I think Google Calendar could have some confidence measure threshold for the "map" links it adds to "where" fields of events.
14:17:39 <fizzie> Like this one event has a "where" description of "lecture room E110 near Paavo's office (E-wing, ground floor)", and there's a map link that just leads to a maps.google page saying "We could not understand the location Paavo's office (E-wing, ground floor)".
14:18:59 <boily> it wasn't specified if they meant E-wing, France, or E-wing, Alabama.
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14:37:40 <ion> An ad by the local chili-and-other-condiments store. http://youtu.be/f4GA7godwJ4
14:40:57 <ion> http://www.gog.com/promo/fallout_series_giveaway_winter_promo_2013
14:46:22 <boily> Taneb: Tanelle. how would you `ello atriq?
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14:47:34 <boily> it doesn't sound right to me... there needs to be an “o” somewhere. maybe hellåtriq?
15:13:53 <fizzie> ion: Heh, tried to log in, got "We're overwhelmed by popularity of our service ;) Please check back soon!"
15:16:09 <fizzie> Tried again, and got a "404: oh noes, there's nothing in here" page.
15:16:28 <fizzie> Maybe I'll go shopping/home and see if things improve. ->
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15:48:16 <boily> sometimes, wikipedia is just silly → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnaborretni
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16:39:26 <int-e> interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon
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16:41:16 <boily> I wonder if I could weld a pigeon on an Inter Continental Ballistic Mapole...
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16:45:42 <int-e> the Bat Bomb is also interesting.
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16:46:24 <int-e> So a mapole is a remote pecking device?
16:47:28 <boily> it can be used to prod, poke, peck, thwack, stir, and to slice pineapples!
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16:51:31 <Chillectual> someone make an esolang based on feynmann diagrams.
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16:57:33 <Chillectual> implementing renormalization would be.. overkill.
17:00:56 <Slereah> Chillectual : Also with which fields
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17:03:19 <Chillectual> Why not go with the electromagnetic field. Feynman would be proud.
17:03:58 <Slereahphone> Well you could probably make some sort of probabilistic logical gates
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17:04:33 <Slereahphone> Really a real circuit is just a bunch of Feynman diagrams anyway
17:04:48 <coppro> design a language where the input-output system and the main code are perpendicular
17:05:24 <Chillectual> I suppose that "language" is real circuits.
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17:06:15 <Slereahphone> Well you can make something simpler than just emulating a circuit
17:06:31 <Slereahphone> Hell you could make a quantum computer perhaps
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17:06:54 <Chillectual> yet implementing field renormalization would be goddamn overkill.
17:07:25 <Chillectual> unless you're implementing it on some sort of lattice.
17:07:59 <Slereahphone> I do have a plan for a spacetime cellular automaton
17:09:45 <Chillectual> implementing discrete gravity wells was a project I had in my head a while ago.
17:09:57 <Slereahphone> Basically like some game of life except with a concept of distance
17:10:00 <Chillectual> when I was "trying" to establish a CA that approximated physical law.
17:10:41 <Chillectual> well, not impossible.. just hard to manage.
17:10:55 <Chillectual> (implementing a CA that approximated currently known physical law)
17:11:31 <Slereahphone> Well it's what people do when they do numerical simulations basically
17:13:45 <Chillectual> but a real CA involves complex state transitions. if you're just going to do a numerical simulation on a set of data that's different.
17:14:43 <Chillectual> I mean you could simulate a theoretically infinite number of states per cell, but you would then need to define explicit transitions between infinite states.
17:15:28 <Chillectual> A CA in a sense is a FSM translated into a "2D universe"
17:15:41 <Slereahphone> I just want to see if I can turn spacetime computer :(
17:16:39 <Chillectual> nd cellular automata exist.. but wrap your head around a 6D CA.
17:17:03 <Slereahphone> The idea is basically some spacetime, a scalar field on it and detectors for IO
17:17:04 <Chillectual> practical for eyeballing 2D or 3D makes sense. :P
17:17:40 <Chillectual> what you could do is define a set of peturbance states.
17:19:02 <Slereahphone> I am thinking maybe using some 64 bit number as states of the field and turn it in colors to represent it graphically
17:19:20 <Chillectual> I would reccomend you implement layers of abstraction.
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17:20:41 <Slereah_> Let's see if this computer works okay now
17:20:43 <Chillectual> the only established constants you would need are..
17:20:43 <Slereah_> The thing is I'm not sure how to set up logical gates in such a setting
17:20:44 <Slereah_> I do know some things about G-wave collisions
17:21:32 <Slereah_> From what I remember the basics are that if they go the same direction, then they don't interact
17:21:32 <Slereah_> If it's opposite, singularities are involved
17:21:42 <Slereah_> Not sure how that translates to the discrete regime
17:22:00 <Chillectual> if you're on a discrete spacetime singularities are effectively gone.
17:23:14 <int-e> quantum field theory. I know what a field is, it's a ring with multiplicative inverses.
17:23:15 <Slereah_> I was thinking of just doing it as the field does
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17:24:21 <Chillectual> each cell has to eventually drop back to a default state if not interacted with, yeah?
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17:24:39 <Slereah_> But here I'm talking about a classical kind of field
17:24:39 <Slereah_> I don't want to compute propagators
17:25:44 <Chillectual> so let's say you have a peturbance at some point somewhere in the universe.
17:25:47 <int-e> Chillectual: Why, I feel at home there. I'm not a physicist.
17:26:13 <Chillectual> good. physics is boring an arbitrary. fuck nature.
17:26:49 <Chillectual> so this peturbance will effectively be seen as a "dent" in whatever field you want to peturb.
17:26:56 <int-e> (and by "there" I mean the place where fields (which are rings) live)
17:26:58 <Slereah_> I think a cell that is not "interacted with" will drop off, yeah
17:27:07 <Slereah_> Because scalar fields tend to propagate
17:27:30 <Chillectual> so effectively you have to define some function regarding not states of a neighborhood.
17:28:26 <Slereah_> Although I think it is possible to have a state that just sits there
17:29:38 <Slereah_> Hell I am wondering if I even need the scalar fied
17:29:46 <Slereah_> I could just work out everything with G-waves
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17:29:58 <Slereah_> although then the detector would be two cells long
17:30:25 <Chillectual> what I did in my first experiment was effectively define a summation function that applied to every state.
17:30:34 <Chillectual> so instead of having a gigantifuckinghuge "switch/case".
17:31:25 <Chillectual> the cell being evaluated would then be equal to the summation of the states around it.
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17:42:12 <Slereah> Well on the laptop with phone connection
17:42:19 <Slereah> Let's hope this works better
17:43:29 <LinearInterpol> one thing I've never liked CAs is that, yes they are impressive, but they are so fragile.
17:44:05 <Slereah> Do you mean the whole "remove a square" thing
17:44:32 <Slereah> Well a lot of programs are like that
17:44:34 <int-e> argh. "certificate authorities" clashes with "cellular automata"
17:44:41 <Slereah> I mean, remove one instruction or functions in most esolangs
17:45:00 <int-e> "I've never liked CAs" made perfect sense ;)
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17:45:10 <Slereah_> I mean, remove one instruction or functions in most esolangs
17:45:21 <Slereah_> So it turns out phone connection isn't that good either
17:45:34 <Slereah_> I'd better call my ISP this week end because fuck this shit
17:45:40 <LinearInterpol> they're a great model to be sure, but I keep wanting myself to shift towards more of an agent based model.
17:46:02 <Slereah_> I kinda like all the methods of computations
17:46:07 <LinearInterpol> a sort of separation between the processing and the environment.
17:46:13 <Slereah_> Because it is such a great thing that there's so many equivalent ones
17:46:23 <int-e> (Even the fragility part, but I have a hard time thinking of CAs as impressive. Which is funny, since being impressive is at the core of their business model. "Trust this certificate, because *WE* trust it, too.")
17:47:15 <Slereah_> Hell there's a pretty close equivalent between your computer and a CA!
17:47:36 <Slereah_> The Wireworld CA is a pretty good approximation of digital electronics
17:48:22 <int-e> "grid computing" ;-)
17:48:25 <Slereah_> Even worse, it is a particle automaton!
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17:49:17 <Slereah_> I once had to work with such a code
17:49:49 <Slereah_> I had to maintain some VBA code from some interns
17:50:22 <Slereah_> Maybe not advanced I forget, but it's a VB derivative
17:50:24 <int-e> LinearInterpol: virtual boy advance is a gameboy emulator.
17:50:33 <Slereah_> It's the "language" of Excel and Word
17:50:35 <LinearInterpol> int-e: that is the first thing that jumped into my mind.
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17:53:00 <Slereah_> Really I am curious to see when we will have commericially available computers that aren't based on digital electronics
17:53:16 <Slereah_> I want to see what quantum assembly looks like
17:53:34 <boily> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_integrator
17:54:14 <LinearInterpol> hell your computer is already running on quantum electrodynamics.
17:54:14 <Slereah_> Still, I am curious as to alternatives
17:54:23 <Slereah_> Like some physical neural network type computer
17:54:45 <FireFly> What about crab-based computing?
17:54:59 <LinearInterpol> FireFly: there is only one instruction, and it is crab.
17:55:05 <int-e> LinearInterpol: do devices such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planimeter qualify?
17:55:09 <Slereah_> Really I mostly want quantum computing to go to companies and say "Hey look, I have a degree in CS and particle physics!"
17:56:17 <boily> fungot it. there is such a thing as crab based computing → http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/13/researchers-say-crab-based-computing-possible-lobsters-throw-up/
17:56:17 <fungot> boily: thanks for telling me
17:56:21 <LinearInterpol> Slereah_: quantum computing is already alive and well. the result is our current transistor technology.
17:56:34 <boily> fungot: my pleasure.
17:56:34 <fungot> boily: the argument to include?
17:56:38 <Slereah_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetware_computer
17:56:45 <boily> fungot: always include. deletionists are a sad bunch.
17:56:45 <fungot> boily: nor " fnord tekee hyv fnord ja on fnord fnord fnord
17:57:10 <LinearInterpol> simulating logic gates using voltage potential between neurons.
17:57:39 <Slereah_> But, if you can do actual neuron things
17:57:53 <LinearInterpol> go ahead and try to teach a dumb shit clump of neurons how to do XOR.
17:58:12 <Slereah_> I have neurons and I can do a xor!
17:59:10 <LinearInterpol> billions and billions of neurons compacted within a tight space.
17:59:15 <Slereah_> Most of my brain is doing useless bullshit though
17:59:29 <Slereah_> Like keeping my heart beating or feelings in my penis
17:59:44 <Slereah_> Imagine if it was all for computing!
17:59:50 <Slereah_> Also there's only about a hundred billions!
17:59:52 <FireFly> I'm happy that there is an entity called 'Unconventional Computing Centre', and that it was involved with the crabputing matters
17:59:59 <int-e> which is why when you take red xor blue, your brain will eventually recognize that this is an ill-formed problem, but most likely also try to come up with colors where this might make sense :)
18:00:29 <Slereah_> Neurons have this neat thing that they can probably be used for like
18:00:55 <LinearInterpol> do you realize how long it would take to teach a bunch of neurons how to function even remotely as a normal computer.
18:00:55 <Slereah_> I'd love to see a Kolmogorov machine based on neurons
18:01:00 <FireFly> int-e: so, what would you choose? the red pill, xor the blue pill?
18:01:16 <Slereah_> LinearInterpol : Well never with THAT attitude
18:02:05 <int-e> FireFly: purple. I don't like purple.
18:02:16 <Slereah_> Plus you are missing an important thing
18:02:23 <Slereah_> You could power that computer with sugar
18:02:31 <Slereah_> I CAN JUST POUR PURPLE DRANK IN IT
18:03:14 <int-e> FireFly: It would be funny. You'd forget everything and wake up in the "real" world. Would make the transition a lot easier, I suppose.
18:03:31 <int-e> (There are no effects that the 'xor' would cancel out.)
18:03:40 <Slereah_> I really don't know why they'd even go in the real world
18:05:15 <int-e> Were they sent to Hell? -- Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
18:05:35 <Slereah_> There was an episode of Red Letter Media like that
18:05:50 <Slereah_> Where they are sent to hell and one of them is like "Look, it's hell!"
18:06:00 <int-e> Anyway. The thermodynamics in that movie are all wrong. I conclude that the so-called "real world" must be a simulation.
18:06:22 <Slereah_> Matrix is really a poor movie on metaphysics
18:06:30 <Slereah_> Dark Star is much better in the domain
18:06:32 <int-e> (Sorry. *that* movie was The Matrix, not Dogma.)
18:08:46 <Slereah_> Hey, you know what's a movie between Dogma and The Matrix?
18:08:53 <Slereah_> Bill and Ted's excellent adventure
18:09:02 <Slereah_> It has both Keanu Reeves and George Carlin!
18:09:22 <Slereah_> Kevin Bacon is probably not too far
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18:14:06 <LinearInterpol> Who the actual fuck made this: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download
18:14:53 <boily> oh. RFNHS3SDD. that one has a peculiar backstory.
18:15:17 <boily> LinearInterpol: ask Taneb for further details. hth.
18:16:05 <Slereah_> The title reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudebro:_My_Shit_Is_Fucked_Up_So_I_Got_to_Shoot/Slice_You_II:_It%27s_Straight-Up_Dawg_Time
18:21:43 <boily> lesson of the day: don't read the backlog random fragment by random fragment. Slereah_, you are a perverted mass of neurons.
18:22:50 <Slereah_> I am actually just a brain in a jar plugged to an ethernet cable
18:23:11 <Bike> LinearInterpol: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1714080/ it's a classic!
18:23:52 <Slereah_> I am awaiting for other movies like "OTTER devastation"
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18:26:29 <fizzie> Huh, it's not "Real Fast Nora" but plain Nora in reality? *disappoint*
18:26:31 <Slereah_> Let's make Brainfuck II : Electric Boogaloo
18:27:04 <fizzie> In retrospect, I guess it's a Real Fast -- Download. Huh. I've always interpreted it to be the hair salon of Real Fast Nora.
18:27:05 <LinearInterpol> it's like when you try to search for shit like mp3 downloads.
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18:27:25 <fizzie> IIRC, it's from a spam some bot added in the wiki.
18:27:52 <Slereah_> One time I got as an emule result "Hottest videos of Cambridge University English Dictionary"
18:27:59 <Slereah_> I was intrigued but suspiscious
18:28:43 <Slereah_> I should have researched for other things
18:29:01 <Slereah_> Like "Cyst removal" or "Auschwitz footage"
18:29:10 <Slereah_> To see if it would propose me the hottest videos of ti
18:30:09 <Slereah_> I hope it involves the donkey and ox
18:30:25 <Slereah_> Three wise men and a donkey on Mary
18:30:44 <Slereah_> That sure ain't a virgin birth!
18:31:46 <Slereah_> I am but a humble brain in a jar
18:32:29 <LinearInterpol> And I'm a collection of an uncountable number of packets of energy.
18:35:10 <Slereah_> http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/knowledgedemotivator.jpg
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19:00:40 <kmc> wow what a convo to miss
19:02:28 <boily> I hope fungot will have learned from it.
19:02:29 <fungot> boily: but given that other languages ( it applies to the wrong cat.
19:03:10 <boily> fungot: of course if you change the language, the cat won't understand. and would you please balance your parenthesises? )
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19:10:14 <boily> prooftechellonique.
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19:25:34 <doesthiswork> boily if you want I can scan the logs to check the balance of left to right parens
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19:26:10 <olsner> can you make a graph of the imbalance over time?
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19:30:42 <mrhmouse> doesthiswork: I, too, would like to see this graph
19:31:12 <boily> I second the motion.
20:00:17 <fungot> mrhmouse: and as i said earlier should make a t-shirt that just says frob-grovel-full-lexical-mumble. i normally run it in cygwin.
20:00:29 <kmc> fungot: i would buy that shirt
20:00:29 <fungot> kmc: uhh fnord/ new2/ or something, fnord it up to be
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20:00:39 <mrhmouse> fungot: so would I; where can I purchase this?
20:00:39 <fungot> mrhmouse: vittu miks ei toi homo paska vittu saatana fnord tota paskaa vittu jumalauta perkele vittu, olipa kiva tulla fnord kotiin :dddd can
20:01:09 <kmc> why did fungot suddenly become finnish
20:01:36 <boily> I want a frob-grovel-full-lexical-mumble tee.
20:01:43 <fungot> int-e: sure, but waving? ouch! you lose!
20:02:03 <int-e> touche (boily will add the accent for me I'm sure)
20:02:20 <EgoBot> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
20:02:20 <mrhmouse> boily: I'll design one tonight and stick it on one of those zazzle-like websites
20:02:55 <mrhmouse> doesthiswork: could you do another with just fungot? the closing parens might be other users "helping out" :)
20:02:56 <fungot> mrhmouse: it's one of the tenured prof, btw). i don't read demi. have you prooved that ( not ( null? mem) in function f to see be able to
20:03:13 <boily> int-e: stop reading my mińd.
20:04:00 <boily> mrhmouse: could you use wordans? their Montréal office are close by :D
20:04:50 <olsner> `pastelog frob-grovel-full-lexical-mumble
20:05:36 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1258
20:06:13 <olsner> I guess fizzie got that word from another channel
20:06:19 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
20:06:34 <mrhmouse> boily: maybe? also I may not get around to it tonight.. I forgot I have dinner plans :I
20:07:10 <boily> dinner? plans? does it involve being sharply dressed, and eating stuff with French names?
20:07:37 <boily> (pâté d'émincé de purée de rôti de bœuf and other things with plenty of accents?)
20:07:56 <mrhmouse> boily: it involves being dressed in layers and drinking hot chocolate
20:09:59 <olsner> boily: do you usually give your food names before eating it?
20:11:40 <boily> mrhmouse: something I should do with my SO. the current temperature lends well to a hot chocolate.
20:11:52 <boily> nooodl_: c'est pas des sacres, juste de la cuisine.
20:12:46 <boily> olsner: I usually call things I cook something like «l'affaire avec du riz pis des choses dessus».
20:13:14 <metasepia> CYUL 122000Z 18008KT 15SM FEW038 OVC090 M11/M16 A3010 RMK SC2AC6 SLP197
20:13:24 <olsner> boily: ok, not like "jacques" or "serge"?
20:13:27 <boily> yup. good time for enhotchocolatenment.
20:14:07 <boily> olsner: oh, only animals I dissect, like that piglet we had once during a biology lab. our team called it Glenda.
20:16:04 <metasepia> YMML 122000Z 00000KT 9999 FEW017 SCT023 BKN280 14/12 Q1013 NOSIG
20:17:32 <int-e> sounds like a nice summer morning
20:19:38 * int-e wonders what relevance the dew point has for aircraft.
20:21:40 <olsner> I think it implicitly measures humidity, which might be relevant
20:21:50 <int-e> but ok, the outside of the airplane including wings and windows will be cold.
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20:25:08 <int-e> the data also indicates risk of fog.
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20:27:42 <olsner> http://www.flightlearnings.com/2011/10/29/temperaturedew-point-relationship/
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20:31:13 <FireFly> Ah well, we still have fungot to provide us with interesting trivia
20:31:14 <fungot> FireFly: i'll try back in another 6 months. space bar sticks, ctl key sometimes doesn't press and i'm easy on them.
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20:31:51 <FireFly> fungot: good, but the whole idea of you using a keyboard is a bit hard to imagine
20:31:52 <fungot> FireFly: try looking up " to dribble" at leo or so :) it's an output-only language that's unsuitable for computation :) i'll just benchmark the whole stuff... :) heheh just to have it
20:33:58 <boily> fungot: you should use a mechanical keyboard. and don't dribble on lions; it's a generally bad idea.
20:33:59 <fungot> boily: i had no reason to think it was the innermost?
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22:12:15 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/usr/bin/umlbox", line 296, in <module> \ conff.close() \ IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
22:18:10 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/usr/bin/umlbox", line 296, in <module> \ conff.close() \ IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
22:19:05 <FireFly> I wonder if the hg web interface it hosts still works...
22:20:25 <mrhmouse> FireFly: I'm guessing just the VM is full? I would assume that the HG interface isn't part of the VM.
22:20:44 <fizzie> That's not the first time "no space left on device" has happened.
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23:03:21 <oerjan> <int-e> interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon <-- yet another species losing employment to machines :(
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23:04:24 <Bike> skinner could get pigeons to play ping-pong, i'm pretty sure he could get them to guide a stupid bomb
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