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00:53:55 <Bike> "Eventually I noticed that the longer the machine had been powered down before I tried to boot, the more likely it was to boot correctly." OS programming is scary
00:54:12 <Bike> also i didn't know vaurora had a twitter hells yea
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00:55:06 <Bike> "I used the BIOS to dump the DRAM (memory) on the machine and noticed that each time I dumped the memory, more and more bits were zeroes instead of ones. Of course I knew intellectually that DRAM loses data when you turned the power off" oh god, what the fuck
00:58:36 <kmc> her personal twitter is protected and I'm too shy to like apply for membership
00:59:32 <Bike> luckily, i'm too unthinking to not apply for membersip.
01:00:03 <kmc> i should give more money to Ada Initiative
01:00:08 <kmc> and you should all give money to OpenHatch: http://openhatch.org/donate/
01:00:30 <Bike> if she looks at my twitter she's just gonna see a buncha nonsense tho
01:01:13 <Bike> hm, sketch of a penguin. that's hard to turn down
01:01:38 <olsner> Bike: hmm, what's the "what the fuck" in that quote?
01:01:50 <Bike> olsner: that this was relevant to software
01:03:18 <Bike> i think i'll drop a few bucks at openhatch once i have an address again. i could go for more stickers. i wonder if they're nice vinyl ones
01:06:40 <olsner> hmm, my system is spending 1% of (non-idle) cpu time in memchr
01:07:06 <Bike> too bad i don't have an income again :V
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01:15:46 <madbr> I think I've figured out how to do single line iterations
01:16:31 <madbr> If a line contains, say, $ in front of a variable, build a for loop with it
01:17:11 <madbr> start the variable at 0, increment it by 1 every iteration... the only thing you're missing is a stop condition
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01:17:24 <Bike> what are you talking about
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01:18:15 <madbr> for(n=0; ????; n++) { vector[n] += 5; }
01:18:18 <Bike> is this novel syntax for some system yu're coming up with because i already hate it
01:18:52 <madbr> trying to figure out the shortest possible syntax for iterations over vectors
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01:19:20 <elliott> I think you're on the path to reinventing APL. or SIMD.
01:19:28 <Bike> yes please skip to that part
01:19:45 <kmc> "or the List monad"
01:19:50 <madbr> not familiar with APL. SIMD is something else.
01:20:14 <Bike> > map (+5) [3,1,18]
01:20:21 <elliott> well, you'll eventually end up with "vector += 5" if you go down this route really
01:20:22 <madbr> it's mostly inspired by logical programming tbh
01:20:32 <elliott> and then if you get up to "vec1[$n] += vec2[$n]", etc...
01:20:34 <madbr> elliott : that's the idea
01:20:34 <Bike> now replace "map" with the Prince symbol and you've got APL
01:20:54 <elliott> Bike: no, APL/J/etc. would just use + directly
01:20:58 <elliott> that's kinda the point of array programming
01:20:59 <madbr> actually "vec1[$n] += vec2[$n]" is a good example
01:21:05 <Bike> elliott: stfu nerd
01:21:34 <Bike> what's the infinite five operator
01:21:37 <jconn> elliott: |domain error
01:21:37 <jconn> elliott: | vec1 .=vec1+vec2
01:21:59 <Bike> how come you did .= instead of =:... right.
01:22:20 <madbr> should translate to for(n=0; n<vec1.size() && n<vec2.size(); n++) { vect1[n] += vect2[n]; }
01:22:48 <Bike> i hate to say this ut have you ever used matlab because its syntax does all this and is already infinite worse/more useful than yours
01:22:51 <elliott> ok but, that's literally what APL/J/etc. do behind the hood for vec1 + vec2 :P
01:22:57 <elliott> oh. matlab is another good example of this kind of thing, yeah
01:23:07 <madbr> the problem with map is that you end up with, well, the rest of functional programming :D
01:23:09 <elliott> I guess the difference with SIMD is that the vectors are always fixed-size
01:23:21 <elliott> afaik J has no explicit "map", and not really first class functions
01:23:23 <madbr> SIMD is really an acceleration technique
01:23:25 <elliott> it's not a functional language really at all
01:23:39 <Bike> "function-level programming"!
01:23:48 <Bike> i'm pretty sure apl has map though
01:24:21 <madbr> you're not meant to program in SIMD except for like inner loops in like the few remaining places where it counts these days
01:24:55 <Bike> that's not elliott's point. elliott's point was "gee that does operations across a vector too hm relevant"
01:25:01 <Bike> my elliott impression righ tthere
01:25:10 <madbr> and it's always contained in normal loops anyways since you rarely ever really process 4 item loops
01:25:18 <Bike> oh, apl even has a map /syntax/
01:25:25 <Bike> "Expressions such as ⌽[i]a and +/[i]a and +\[i]a apply the (possibly derived) function preceding the brackets “along axis i” of the argument a . "
01:25:26 <elliott> map is implicit in APL probably?
01:27:29 <madbr> basically I need a syntax that's usable within a curly brace language :D
01:28:02 <elliott> isn't matlab curly brace? or at least close to it
01:28:09 <Bike> something like that yeah
01:28:09 <kmc> burly case
01:28:55 <madbr> you could have a bunch of built in array process functions but in curly brace languages they are rarely flexible enough
01:28:57 <Bike> it's actually dependent on whitespace because that's great i guess.
01:29:20 <Bike> madbr: seriously, in matlab you can do shit like foo(bar) where foo and bar are both matrices and it does some fucking indexing thing.
01:29:45 <Bike> and you can have that as an lvalue and bla bla bla
01:30:40 <Bike> yes and that's what madbr is going for here
01:31:20 <madbr> no I'm just trying to figure out a way to add a shortcut for loops over vectors in curly brace languages
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01:32:07 <Bike> and i'm telling you this is it.
01:32:16 <Phantom_Hoover> speaking of php, apparently it originally used strlen() on function names as a hash
01:32:43 <madbr> functionally it has to compile into some variant of for(int i=x; i<y; i++){ stuff(); }
01:37:38 <madbr> doesn't seem to automatically produce loops, it seems to just have matrices as a primitive type and has prelooped operations on them for you
01:37:48 <madbr> but I could be wrong
01:38:18 <Bike> so, what, your big huge difference here is inlining?
01:38:41 <madbr> the difference is that a loop can have all sorts of flow control
01:39:05 <madbr> and partial value changes etc
01:39:21 <madbr> also it's not a physical value that has to be stored
01:41:28 <madbr> it can be just as dumb as C++'s for(;;), as long as it has less typing
01:52:12 <madbr> this is not what matlab does, from what I can tell in what I'm reading right now (never used matlab)... basically it has a bunch of operators that works on matrices
02:02:35 <Bike> http://eighteenthelephant.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/another-bad-graph/
02:07:43 <madbr> apl is also a language that operates on arrays with a bunch of operators
02:08:02 <madbr> none of your examples of "this already exists" really applies
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02:47:36 <quintopia> and you are named work that does this
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02:49:04 <doesthiswork> actually I got frustrated when signing up for freenode so my name is a question
02:50:05 <quintopia> no it isn't. you can't have a question without a question mark
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02:53:16 <quintopia> Bike: thanks for the dedication. now WHERE ARE ALL YOUR OTHER IDEAS YOU WERE GOING TO POST NOW THAT YOU MADE AN ACCOUNT?
02:53:45 <Bike> uh excuse me it's /one/ idea!! and it isn't presentable.
02:56:20 <Bike> fire control computers
02:57:15 <Bike> initially i was thinking it would be like verilog, but there's a whole fuckton to specify
02:57:39 <Bike> since i was thinking below, uh, register-transfer level, for lack of a better... everything
02:58:22 <quintopia> so a lang where you hook up all those ffc components, and each one is minimally configurable in behavior?
02:58:46 <Bike> oh, fire control computer
02:59:50 <Bike> but like, take a gear. specifying tooth size we probably don't want, but you'd get pretty different behavior from the spacing (you can make a discretizer thing like a clock)
03:00:08 <Bike> and/or you can have the driveshaft (if there even is a driveshaft) somewhere other than the center
03:01:06 <Bike> i mean you could model on a higher level but at that point it's almost practical.
03:01:24 <Bike> also, 3d cams. don't even want to think about em
03:01:35 <quintopia> s/practical/actually implementable
03:02:00 <quintopia> 3d cams should be easier than some other things actually
03:02:21 <quintopia> they only have on moving part: the function f(theta,x)
03:04:10 <Bike> i mean for practicality i'd just use shannon
03:04:45 <Bike> shannon's system, where you just specify linkages between integrators and differentials and constant-speed drives
03:04:47 <quintopia> the grooved gears are also fairly straightforward.
03:04:58 <Bike> but at that point why not just write out the equation
03:06:09 <Bike> was that a 300 reference
03:12:22 <Sgeo> Husk Scheme's Haskell FFI only works with Haskell functions of a specific type
03:12:30 <Sgeo> This seems like a Haskell-y limitation to impose on it
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04:09:44 <kmc> "Tourist walks off pier while checking Facebook page"
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05:49:36 <oerjan> <polytone> The first problem in experimental mathematics is apparently not overfilling LaTeX boxes... <-- ah memories
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06:16:49 <fizzie> Overfull \hbox (0.76785pt too wide)!
06:49:01 <fizzie> TIL: Hackage has "dbus-core", "dbus" and "DBus", all different. And all having modules named DBus.*. (AFAICT, "dbus" is a direct sequel of "dbus-core", a pure-Haskell DBus protocol implementation, while "DBus" is a FFI-based binding on the native DBus libraries.)
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06:55:17 <fizzie> All of them have a different API, of course.
06:55:40 <oerjan> always plural interfaces
06:55:46 <fizzie> (Though the one in dbus is a reasonable, simplified descendant of dbus-core.)
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06:57:25 <kmc> <kmc> i have been paid to write perl, haskell, c, c++, java, assembly, shell, make, rust, javascript, prolly some others
06:57:30 <kmc> i forgot PHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:58:15 <kmc> also python and ruby jeez
06:58:16 <fizzie> Have you been paid to specifically write in each of those things, or has it been the case of "write with whatever you want as long as it makes some sort of sense"?
06:58:42 <kmc> some of each
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06:59:55 <fizzie> Does changing your XMonad config while at work count as being paid to write Haskell?
07:00:17 <kmc> i did two summers of undergrad research, the first summer i wrote everything in perl, then I learned Haskell so I used it for everything the second summer
07:00:22 <kmc> i hope this was considered an improvement
07:01:02 <kmc> fizzie: sure
07:01:35 <kmc> pretty sure i also used ghci for some misc data munging somewhere along the way
07:01:51 <kmc> i started writing an improved object file diff tool in Haskell for Ksplice but never finished it
07:03:26 <fizzie> I've had fungot join the IRC channel of our research group, does that count as being paid to write Funge-98? (Perhaps not quite.)
07:03:26 <fungot> fizzie: yeah i know, but lament and fizzie are around. or e-mail me.
07:03:54 <fizzie> fungot: Do you even have an email account?
07:03:55 <fungot> fizzie: or you could put it more formally designated as ieee 1003 and the international reach that only we are positioned to provide!
07:04:44 <fizzie> To quote oerjan, OKAY.
07:06:14 <fizzie> `run addquote '<oerjan> OKAY' # ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability
07:09:56 <oerjan> fungot is in that generation that prefers twitter to email
07:09:56 <fungot> oerjan: the fnord returns some error code, after all, she is!"" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord:
07:14:40 <fizzie> oerjan: http://sprunge.us/LNdZ
07:21:19 <fizzie> Oh no I disregarded LOWER CASE.
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07:24:24 <fizzie> o'kay this was much more interest-ing http://sprunge.us/XBHK
07:27:07 <oerjan> i do not recall some of these.
07:27:24 <oerjan> doesthiswork: no, i'm a filthy law breaker hth
07:27:40 <shachaf> oerjan: plz disable the hth disabler thx
07:28:10 <oerjan> shachaf: careful, elliott might ban you
07:28:30 <oerjan> (not really, he's getting mellow with age)
07:28:40 <shachaf> oerjan: imo he doesn't even go on irc anymore
07:30:02 <HackEgo> 2013-12-18 01:28:02: <elliott> isn't matlab curly brace? or at least close to it
07:30:17 <lambdabot> Local time for shachaf is Tue Dec 17 23:30:14 2013
07:30:20 <shachaf> well he'll say something in the future
07:30:23 <shachaf> that doesn't mean anything
07:30:51 <lambdabot> I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time?
07:30:52 <oerjan> shachaf: just after banning you, probably
07:31:35 <oerjan> although how he'll do it with matlab i don't know
07:31:55 <Bike> that's the beauty of matlab.
07:33:27 <fizzie> It's MATLAB not matlab you heathens.
07:33:41 <fizzie> That's like saying "god" instead of "GOD".
07:33:54 <Bike> i do that all the time.
07:34:37 <fizzie> Hey, is YHWH short for Yes, He Would Help? How appropriate.
07:35:46 <fizzie> Given the temperament of the old testament god, perhaps "appropriate" is not quite the right word, I don't think he's very keen on helping in general.
07:38:43 <oerjan> yes, hell wants humans
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07:54:16 <fizzie> Wow, someone's actually using the while (i --> 0) spelling. I thought that was a myth.
07:56:01 <kmc> a tale told to frighten small children
07:56:09 <kmc> who is using it?
07:56:32 <fizzie> <Chetic> is there a way to declare "i" inside while() in this example?: int i = 8; while (i --> 0) printf("%d ", i);
07:57:06 <shachaf> p. sure they are either joking or being joked at
07:57:17 <kmc> i'm gonna go with "no"
07:58:00 <fizzie> Yeah, well, that's not acceptable for some reason.
07:58:17 <Bike> very imrotant that we use a while
07:58:38 <fizzie> See http://sprunge.us/IjNY
07:59:19 <kmc> what does /wrist mean... oh
08:00:00 <olsner> I use while (i--) pretty often
08:00:12 <fizzie> olsner: Yes, but do you use The Arrow?
08:00:37 <olsner> only in java (because you have to)
08:01:07 <Bike> what's it mean
08:01:10 <fizzie> It's the best, because after something like i = 42; while (i --> 0) ... your not-familiar-with-C readers will be tempted to do i = 0; while (i --> 42) ... too.
08:01:23 <Bike> flipping them off?
08:01:33 <fizzie> (I didn't get the /wrist thing.)
08:02:43 <Bike> http://i.imgur.com/N1QFcWY.jpg meanwhile, in the uk
08:04:16 <fizzie> It's some kind of a not-real thing, right? Right? Please?
08:04:32 <Bike> are you suggesting a tabloid may be inaccurate
08:04:35 <Bike> that's libel fucker
08:05:12 <fizzie> I think you mean "f***er".
08:05:41 <Bike> too tired and emotional to censor myself, [insinuates that you are a paedophile]
08:05:43 <oerjan> 's ok, just don't use the c**v word
08:06:03 <Bike> (fizzie: also, it can't be real. his shirt says "soccer".)
08:06:46 <fizzie> The "flogged 'em to the junkies" bit at the very least reads like a parody.
08:07:43 <oerjan> boy fails to blend into reality, takes it out on cat
08:09:00 <fizzie> Meanwhile, in the email: [[ This is an official advice from the FBI foreign remittance/telegraphic dept. it has come to our notice that bank of Nigeria has released $8m to BANK OF AMERICA in your name as the beneficiary, The bank Nigeria knowing fully well that they do not have enough facilities to effect this payment from Nigeria to your account, They used what we know as a “secret ...
08:09:06 <fizzie> ... diplomatic transit payment” (S.T.D.P) to pay this fund through wire transfer, but this means of transfer can not reflect to your account as this was wrong method of transfer. ]]
08:09:24 <Bike> spike timing dependent plasticity
08:09:34 <fizzie> Those wacky Nigerians, they keep using those STDPs even though they're obviously the wrong method of transfer.
08:09:54 <fizzie> I guess I need to send a "Diplomatic Immunity Seal Of Transfer(DIST)" or something.
08:10:05 <fizzie> Must be legit, all those acronyms.
08:10:21 <oerjan> sealed highly important transfer
08:10:50 <fizzie> (How come a "secret diplomatic transit payment" is a STDP and not a SDTP, anyway?)
08:11:23 <oerjan> fizzie: it's probably one of those english/french ordering compromises
08:11:51 <oerjan> transfer secrét diplomatique du paye
08:12:03 <fizzie> "Meanwhile, i have decided to scan and send to you a copy of my identity as evidence, so you can be aware of whom you are dealing with and i have also informed that entire FBI Department Offices in each states to back out regarding this case because i have decided to handle this situation personally to ensure that i deal with you accordingly if you fail to provide the necessary requirement ...
08:12:04 <Bike> god i hope the fbi actually has a "telegraphic dept"
08:12:09 <fizzie> ... which we requested from you."
08:12:18 <Bike> fizzie you aren't even in the united states are you
08:12:37 <fizzie> But he's scanned a copy of his identity, so.
08:12:38 <olsner> Bike: it's the finnish bureau of investigation
08:12:41 <Bike> nice of the FBI to protect the whole world instead of americans
08:12:44 <Bike> just americans*
08:13:05 <oerjan> Bike: they can't even keep finnish spam inside finland, you think they manage to keep fbi spam outside it?
08:13:13 <fizzie> I think I've gotten email before from this same guy, he's "FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III".
08:13:41 <oerjan> (seriously, most of the spam i see these days is finnish. although i guess that's after nvg's filter.)
08:13:59 <fizzie> Our spam is too potent to be contained by your puny filters.
08:14:30 <fizzie> "Subject: Are You Sure Rev. Thomas Is Your Next of Kin!!!" No!!! I'm not sure at all!!!
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08:45:23 <Taneb> Aaaaah Namco High has been released
08:47:56 <Fiora> Taneb: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/70376905191/
08:48:41 <Taneb> No spoilers, please!
08:49:37 <Fiora> spoilers: it keeps happening
08:49:59 <Bike> spoiler davesprite is davesprite
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08:56:26 <FreeFull> fizzie: What was the name of the guy from X-Files?
08:58:59 <kmc> Bike: crimbo
09:00:25 <Taneb> Oh man, Anti-bravoman is pretty cool
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09:16:59 <fizzie> I'm not sure which guy FreeFull meant.
09:17:18 <fizzie> Mulder, maybe. That's close-ish to Mueller.
09:18:52 <kmc> oh irc, where else can you walk into a room and find a motionless duplicate of yourself
09:18:58 <kmc> and the socially acceptable response is to murder them
09:19:25 <fizzie> I think there are some netwurk games like that.
09:19:50 <oerjan> clearly the duplicates should argue they're the real ones more often
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09:25:00 <impomatic> As soon oerjan disconnects I'm going to grab his nick and argue I'm the one who should survive.
09:27:23 <oerjan> i guess i am asking for that.
09:58:14 <Taneb> Oh dear god I've found a cameo
10:00:34 <oerjan> as long as it wasn't a camel
10:03:01 <Taneb> Well, I reached AN ending
10:03:31 <fizzie> "Camelopard" is kind of a silly name for a giraffe.
10:03:47 <oerjan> is this one of those choose your own camel books
10:04:15 <Taneb> oerjan, it's a dating sim about video game characters
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10:10:08 <Taneb> I just got a good ending with the ship from Galaga
10:12:56 <fizzie> Someone might argue that any ending is a good ending, viz. that you don't have to keep playing.
10:19:38 <fizzie> !SENT_START I DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD BUY AND TODAY BUT THINGS CHANGE WHEN PEOPLE DIE !SENT_END
10:21:22 <oerjan> i think fizzie is revealing himself as a bot
10:22:27 <fizzie> !SENT_START I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE INSINUATING THERE I AM MADE OF SOFT HUMAN FLESH !SENT_END
10:35:47 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/efBH those wacky university students, right?
10:45:04 <oerjan> i think that will be ex-university student
10:47:17 <fizzie> (Also that "Page 4" in there is spurious.)
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13:00:22 <quintopia> it seems like now would be a very good time to buy btc, but it seems like so much effort, cuz i know there's no easy way
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13:07:45 <boily> `relcome Hanswurst
13:07:50 <HackEgo> Hanswurst: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
13:08:04 <boily> quintopia: there seems to be a few Canadian sites for investing in BTC.
13:08:35 <quintopia> boily: do they allow you to pay electronically?
13:09:46 <boily> looks like so, but the acronyms are colliding with my uncaffeinated brain, so I'm missing many details.
13:18:37 <boily> fizzie: should I add in the # cömment to the `addquote you made 6 hours ago?
13:18:57 <boily> quintopia: don't worry. 12 oz of tea are brewing.
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13:23:12 <fizzie> boily: It did not end up in the quote, so I guess not. I don't know. Is there a law on these things?
13:25:03 <fungot> boily: http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/ eggs/ search.scm. i mean is
13:25:16 <boily> fungot: I mean, your opinion on the matter?
13:25:17 <fungot> boily: fnord sez the thermometer now interesting rather than solved problems." at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord
13:25:45 <boily> fizzie: you bot says you should mind thermometers insted of the problem. so no comment it is.
13:38:33 <boily> quintopia: (I very subtly and discreetly added you to the PDF cocoonspirators.)
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13:41:13 <boily> kmc: (same thing.)
13:41:24 <fizzie> It's a very discreet process, disregarding the automatic email alerts.
13:43:49 <quintopia> boily: i am 12 and what is this wisdom repo
13:45:27 <boily> quintopia: 12? it is the repo to the Source of the PDF.
13:46:34 <boily> the PDF in the /topic ↑
13:47:52 <fizzie> What other wisdom is there than the wisdom of #esoteric, really?
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13:51:05 <boily> I still don't know what twelves quintopia is, so I'm going to assume he's a herd of zebras.
13:54:21 <fizzie> I think it was like a time of day. Like, "I'm totally middays", and so on.
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14:08:34 <boily> small follow-up on the amplituhedron → http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/12/a-quantum-revolution-against-feynman-diagrams/
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14:17:46 <quintopia> also i wanted to add a wisdom but i can't backtick on my phone
14:23:28 <b_jonas> quintopia: can you copy and paste on your phone?
14:24:08 * boily ````````es quintopia
14:24:26 <jconn> b_jonas: ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
14:24:58 <boily> is it possible to maintain, debug, analyze, refactor and otherwise understand J?
14:25:30 <b_jonas> it's not really useful for large programs
14:27:16 <b_jonas> ) (0j1+i.9)#96{a. NB. all sizes, in case you can only copy and paste full words
14:27:16 <jconn> b_jonas: ` `` ``` ```` ````` `````` ``````` ````````
14:29:07 <boily> ~eval iterate ('`':) "`"
14:29:10 <metasepia> ["`","``","```","````","`````","``````","```````","````````","`````````","``````````","```````````","````````````","`````````````","``````````````","```````````````","````````````````","`````````````````","``````````````````","```````````````````","````````````````````","`````````````````````","``````````````````````","```````````````````````","````````````````````````","`````````````````````````","``````````````````````````","````
14:31:19 <b_jonas> ~eval concat (iterate ('`':) " ")
14:31:19 <metasepia> " ` `` ``` ```` ````` `````` ``````` ```````` ````````` `````````` ``````````` ```````````` ````````````` `````````````` ``````````````` ```````````````` ````````````````` `````````````````` ``````````````````` ```````````````````` ````````````````````` `````````````````````` ``````````````````````` ```````````````````````` ````````````````````````` `````````````````````````` ``````````````````````````` ````````````````````````````
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16:52:42 <quintopia> `learn PHP is Worse Is Better with strong lock-in effects for the web ecosystem.
17:29:42 <mroman> `learn PHP is the most static typed and mathematically proven to be the best programming language ever.
17:30:07 <mroman> I know that you knew than.
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17:43:06 <quintopia> `learn PHP is Worse Is Better with strong lock-in effects for the web ecosystem.
17:43:30 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `wisdom/PHP': No such file or directory
17:43:37 <shachaf> why are y'all putting in these wisdom entries
17:43:51 <quintopia> shachaf: there was another php entry that you deleted that was already there
17:43:58 <quintopia> shachaf: you are the worst deleter person ever
17:44:07 <shachaf> they should both not be in wisdom/
17:44:25 <quintopia> shachaf: but what about the third one you deleted. should it be.
17:45:04 <quintopia> shachaf: also since when are you the final arbiter of what can be in wisdom
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17:51:51 <boily> back from lunch, and there is a wardom on PHP.
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18:23:09 <CADD> quintopia: I agree with shachaf the 3rd one was not wisdom.
18:23:52 <quintopia> CADD: remind me what the third one was again so i don't have to reload the pdf
18:25:05 <CADD> quintopia: the one right after your one
18:25:36 <quintopia> CADD: that one sucked. i'm talking about the one that was in there originally. i.e. yesterday.
18:27:13 <Bike> more like hyperTERRIBLE processor
18:28:24 <boily> there was a PHP entry?
18:28:27 <quintopia> CADD: it's gone. shachaf deleted it. look it up in the PDF if you want to see it.
18:28:29 <CADD> it and the links
18:28:39 <CADD> oh, the wisdom one. right
18:29:03 <boily> “ \item[PHP] is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! $[$Website redacted$]$”
18:29:22 <Bike> that seems pretty meh.
18:29:31 <Bike> MEANWHILE IN R/BITCOIN http://imgur.com/h9TXUbY
18:30:44 <CADD> quintopia: PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted]
18:32:02 <boily> CADD: by the way, do you have a github account? (asked with an evil grin :D)
18:32:27 <CADD> boily: yeah, github.com/sheganinans
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18:33:23 <quintopia> the one i was trying to add was intended to be actual wisdom, not humor. based on an article: https://medium.com/on-coding/6a9748f2268c
18:33:27 <shachaf> Oh, you mean yet another PHP entry before the two that both of you added.
18:33:28 <CADD> boily: i just added some stuff really recently. just random snippets i thought were barely tolerable to release
18:34:02 <shachaf> "PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted]"
18:34:11 <shachaf> I think we're better off without any of them.
18:34:16 <boily> CADD: you should now be in the knowledge of my account, and the Source to the PDF.
18:34:40 <quintopia> shachaf: why don't you just go through and delete everything you don't like, and send some rain to a few parades while you're at it
18:34:57 <HackEgo> pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion
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18:35:26 <CADD> boily: do i have to wait for github's eventual consistency model for me to see it?
18:35:42 <CADD> boily: or some other service?
18:36:23 <quintopia> Phantom_Hoover: i'm not seeing any new ones
18:37:20 <CADD> boily: ah, i sees you
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19:22:15 <oerjan> <quintopia> it seems like now would be a very good time to buy [...] <-- the ancient sign of a bubble close to bursting...
19:24:20 <oerjan> <boily> fizzie: should I add in the # cömment to the `addquote you made 6 hours ago? <-- not unless you add all my previous quotes/wisdom-affecting sed commands hth
19:27:04 <kmc> oh bitcoin is crashing again?
19:31:05 <Bike> they put a suicide hotline in r/bitcoin
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19:31:57 <Bike> as long as you acknowledge that anyone actually killing themselves would be horrible
19:33:40 <Bike> there's also a temporary ban on "memes, price posts, and emotional posts" which is clear for mockery
19:34:36 <kmc> it's not the first time this has happened
19:34:59 <kmc> i'm no suicide prevention expert but "it's just money" seems like a shitty and privileged thing to say, in general
19:35:38 <Bike> yes, but on the other hand most people on r/bitcoin are themselves shitty and privileged
19:35:54 <oerjan> i have this hunch that the idea of bitcoin working is based on the same kind of economy that didn't foresee the still ongoing financial crisis.
19:36:08 <kmc> oerjan: can you elaborate?
19:36:31 <Bike> i mean, if i had any influence on rbitcoin i'd try to come up with something better to say, fo sho
19:36:47 <oerjan> kmc: hunches don't have elaborations.
19:36:52 <kmc> oerjan: okay
19:36:59 <kmc> what about elaborate hunches
19:37:03 <kmc> also yes that
19:37:11 <Bike> or hunched-over elaborations
19:37:54 <oerjan> first of all, the only intrinsic stabilization of bitcoin's value is on the supply side. which is better than having none at all i guess.
19:38:29 <oerjan> but it only guarantees a _maximal_ value, not a minimum one...
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19:39:28 <boily> fungot: are you worth any bitcoin?
19:39:28 <fungot> boily: perhaps that's irrational. " snow crash", " helping others", "
19:40:04 <boily> Harken to the Bot! Follow the Path of Crashing Snowy Bitcoins, and Helping Others!
19:40:21 <oerjan> everything else is based on trust ... and without a supporting institution like a government, or a strong moral code that everyone follows, trust cannot survive in bad times.
19:40:44 <Bike> i see fungot is a libertarian
19:40:44 <fungot> Bike: if you make significant changes.
19:41:30 <boily> mrhmouse: “I don't see any problem with that.”
19:42:10 <Bike> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2013/msg00235.html fuck yeaaaaaah
19:44:57 <kmc> yeah i'm reading the paper now http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/acoustic-20131218.pdf
19:45:09 <oerjan> hm such side channel attacks essentially mean that encryption code _must_ be branch free, no?
19:45:19 <oerjan> unless this is even subtler
19:45:34 <boily> since when do branches break encryption?
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19:46:08 <kmc> i think the problem is that it's really hard to do public-key operations efficiently without data-dependent control flow or memory access
19:46:56 <oerjan> boily: by having the cpu do different things internally depending on what the data is, which can have measurable effects such as timing or this sound thing...
19:46:59 <Bike> boily: i think the basic idea is that the attacker can use side channel information like sound to determine which branch sme code is on
19:47:12 <Bike> nice, oerjan said it forwards and i said it backwards
19:47:18 <kmc> and some day you will meet?
19:47:19 <quintopia> oerjan: 1) the bubble has burst/is bursting, hence my statement and 2) i see no reason why it won't rebound
19:47:22 * oerjan hasn't actually read the paper but is assuming that's how such a thing would work
19:50:37 <boily> oerjan, Bike: so, you can guess what's happening, but you can't perfectly reconstruct the original data, righ?
19:50:52 <boily> oerjan, Bike: and meeting IRL is always a Good Thing®.
19:51:22 * quintopia meets boily IRL in a crowded bus dressed as a hobo
19:51:22 <oerjan> boily: no, but if you can do chosen plaintext attacks, you can add more and more information until you have the key...
19:52:34 <fizzie> Ooh, I remember the '04 presentation that paper mentions.
19:52:39 <kmc> right, this attack involves sending many PGP-encrypted emails which are crafted to reveal bits of the private key through the side channel
19:52:53 <fizzie> It's "p. great" they've extended it to do actual key extraction.
19:53:12 <fizzie> (As in, remember reading about it, not attending it.)
19:53:28 <boily> quintopia: you're >1900 km away by car. we need to find a simpler way to irlmeet. and why would you want to dress crowded buses as hoboes?
19:53:58 <quintopia> boily: the bus isn't dressed as a hobo. it's just dangling a modifier
19:54:23 <quintopia> boily: and there is no simpler way for me to stalk you sorry
20:02:42 <ion> http://youtu.be/9pzm1lQX0qU
20:03:00 <fizzie> kmc: I like how it has Genesis 27:5 in the references. :)
20:03:25 <kmc> oh that's what that cite was :)
20:03:36 <fizzie> "Audio eavesdropping on human conversations is a common practice, first published several millenia ago [Gen]."
20:03:38 <kmc> no author listed though
20:04:20 <fizzie> "[Gen 27:5 KJV] 5 And Rebekah heard when Isaac spake to Esau his son. And Esau went to the field to hunt [for] venison, [and] to bring [it]."
20:04:30 <ion> boily: An Andy Warhol homage.
20:04:35 <Bike> oh hey, i remember that.
20:04:40 <Bike> esau was kind of a motherfucker, iirc
20:04:47 <kmc> aren't they all
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20:25:29 <elliott> do I see a flamewar about the wisdom system in my backscroll highlighting me three times?
20:26:47 <Bike> unfortunately, as you already know, php
20:27:31 <HackEgo> bin/?: else echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; \ bin/¿:? "$@" | rev | tac \ bin/؟:? "$@" | rev \ bin/anonlog: grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1| sed "s=<[^>]*> ==" \ bin/anonlog: file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ bin/aseen:done < <(ls -r /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt) \ bin/bienvenido:if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$
20:27:41 <elliott> `run grep '?' bin/* | paste
20:27:48 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31992
20:28:17 <elliott> well if it were not for the other-language welcomes I would just remove the thing
20:31:02 <HackEgo> PHP is Worse Is Better with strong lock-in effects for the web ecosystem.
20:31:04 <Bike> elliott wants t destroy all we hold dear
20:31:27 <Bike> destroying america's morals
20:31:27 <oerjan> elliott: but your pinging was due to a wisdom entry that already _had_ been removed!
20:31:36 <oerjan> so removing it won't help QED
20:32:26 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
20:38:11 * boily shoos elliott away from the Precious Wisdom DB
20:38:30 <elliott> don't tempt me to increase the drasticity of my measures.
20:38:53 <boily> I have a mapole, and I know how to use it. the Wisdom will Stand!
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20:40:00 <HackEgo> A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards.
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20:40:11 <elliott> actually, I still need this to number my irssi windows right.
20:40:34 <shachaf> elliott: That's why I /part without closing the window.
20:41:19 <shachaf> /set autoclose_windows off
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20:45:24 <kmc> bitcoin crash is front page on news.bbc.co.uk
20:46:56 <elliott> is it really a full crash? isn't BTC much higher than before still?
20:48:55 <kmc> when before?
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20:49:59 <elliott> before it started rising recently
20:50:06 <elliott> it was at $200 or something?
20:50:38 <kmc> i don't really have a precise opinion on what the word "crash" means
20:51:37 <elliott> I guess like 5x increase in value from before it went crazy (ok, it's always crazy) seems like still a pretty big rise even if it went crazier in the interim to me
20:52:45 <int-e> http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD
20:54:32 <int-e> for a normal currency a 50% drop in value within two weeks would be a crash ...
20:54:58 <int-e> somehow I don't feel that way about bitcoins.
20:55:16 <kmc> yeah I don't think "crash" implies that all value since time immemorial is wiped out
20:56:13 <elliott> int-e: obviously, people expect BTC to be much more volatile than most things people call currencies :)
20:56:20 <kmc> just a sudden and significant drop in value
20:56:43 <elliott> btw, mtgox might not be the best charts to look at given their issues unless that got resolved, they hover consistently above other exchanges because of them
21:02:58 <Bike> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexwinter/deep-web-the-untold-story-of-bitcoin-and-the-silk well, ok.
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21:07:37 <kmc> is "crimbo" really a UK slang term for "christmas"
21:07:55 <int-e> I wonder whether anybody is crazy enough to trade futures for bitcoins.
21:08:20 <metasepia> future definition: that is to be; '''specifically'''.
21:08:56 <int-e> "A lot of what's going on out there is scary stuff!" ... boring.
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21:10:58 <Bike> "An unexpected exception has occurred. Please contact our Help Desk and include any errors reported on this page. java.lang.NullPointerException" this is a web application.
21:11:01 <int-e> And "deep web" is not even their own phrase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web
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21:11:10 <kmc> lots of people write webapps in Java
21:11:42 <Bike> well, i'm just kind of surprised it gave me a backtrce, i suppose.
21:12:54 <boily> I like NPEs. they offer a great occasion to be zen, drink a cuppa, and reflect on the Purpose of Life.
21:14:30 <boily> /me reads the wikipédia article on futures contracts.
21:14:34 * boily reads the wikipédia article on futures contracts.
21:16:01 <boily> I am disgusted by the possibility and formalisation of selling intangible financial assets.
21:17:11 <Bike> this is just miiiiildly annoying since i could get money frm this form
21:17:17 <CADD> boily: hey if you sign the contract and you loose money, its your fault. doesnt matter what is being sold.
21:17:23 <Bike> boily: then uh, don't take too close a look at anything remotely moneoy-related
21:17:54 <kmc> isn't money itself an "intangible financial asset"
21:17:57 <elliott> boily: and what exactly is a dollar?
21:18:03 <elliott> it isn't some gold any more
21:18:08 <boily> CADD: that I have no problem with. it's just the sleazyness of all that stuff.
21:18:14 <CADD> boily: futures contracts are not exactly money printing machines.
21:18:30 <CADD> boily: lol, the federal reserve is a million times sleazier
21:18:33 <boily> Bike: I don't understand finance. I am terrified by anything more complex than a simple savings account.
21:18:38 <kmc> certainly many sleazy things have been done with derivatives, yeah, but rejecting the whole concept outright?
21:18:41 <boily> kmc: I meant, intangibler.
21:18:46 <kmc> boily: do you also consider insurance to be inherently sleazy?
21:18:50 <boily> elliott: something I have in my pocket.
21:19:02 <kmc> futures and options aren't just for speculators, they're purchesd by large "productive" companies as insurance
21:19:13 <Bike> fucking christ this isn't even my fault
21:19:14 <kmc> mcdonalds buys potato futures so that they're less exposed to fluctuations in price
21:19:20 <boily> kmc: yes, but I have a dental plan, so I make an exception for that.
21:19:23 <elliott> boily: what about in your bank account?
21:19:28 <Bike> and my face is bleeding. god
21:20:02 <Bike> WHY AM I SO PUT UPON, O GOD IN HEAVEN
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21:20:20 <boily> elliott: those are dollars in somebody else pocket. there are pocketeers out there who hold everybody's money, as there are plumbers, teachers, managers...
21:21:19 <boily> Bike: how many millilitres of blood per hour are you loosing?
21:21:21 <elliott> boily: you will probably be disappointed if you ask your bank to show the vault in which the physical coins for your bank account balance are stored
21:21:35 <CADD> boily: look, i feel you have been fed a story about futures without actually understanding the math behind it. you even admitted yourself
21:21:40 <Bike> what the uck is a litre
21:21:41 <boily> elliott: I know. I prefer my fiction. it's more fun :D
21:21:48 <Bike> i use liters you damn furriner
21:22:09 <boily> CADD: I skimmed the wikipédia article, so I really don't understand what's happening. proper documentation is in order.
21:22:13 <kmc> never let the facts get in the way of a good pitchfork mob
21:22:26 <CADD> boily: at first i was saying wat to Bike, but accidentally said you, then i read your statement after his and said wat, but this time to yo
21:22:49 <kmc> boily: you pay some amount now and you get some quantity of a good n months in the future
21:22:57 <kmc> boily: pretty straightforward
21:23:06 <boily> kmc: oh. if that's the case, no problem with that.
21:23:20 <CADD> mrhmouse: lol, i cant speel todai
21:23:21 <kmc> and you can sell that contract in the meantime, in which case whoever buys it gets the good
21:23:46 <boily> kmc: so you can make a profit by selling the contract?
21:23:57 <kmc> if you are good at it, yes
21:24:05 <CADD> boily: kmc said it very well, there is no "evil NWO magic" to it
21:24:20 <boily> CADD: I am disappoint.
21:24:52 <CADD> boily: not to say that there have been plenty of conspiracies, look at watergate, the gulf of tonkin, and operation notrhwoods :P
21:24:57 <kmc> you can also take a loss of course
21:25:22 <CADD> boily: thats what i meant by saying they arent money printing machines, unlike the federal reserve
21:25:58 <Bike> and even literally printing money has its purposes.
21:26:15 <kmc> boily: the thing is that nobody knows exactly what the price of buying potatoes "on the spot" will be in 6 months, so the market price of a futures contract will vary as estimates of that future price change
21:26:20 <boily> oerjan: http://i.imgur.com/PtXdfsj.png (frontpaging on reddit)
21:26:28 <Bike> https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8v5tskgKu1rpj06qo1_1280.jpg i'm very rady for this
21:26:48 <CADD> Bike: yeah, its called counterfeit or some people even shave coins
21:27:01 <Bike> boily: there's an Underworld music video like that but filmed from a train. it rules
21:27:15 <elliott> I hereby ban libertarianism.
21:27:16 <boily> kmc: is a futures contract public? if so, wouldn't that change what the future price of the asset will be?
21:27:17 <Bike> well, except it's flipped instead of water, probably, but it makes it look like water
21:27:21 <CADD> Bike: that is actually why coins these days have those lines running around their edges, it makes it really easy to see if a coin has been shaved
21:27:27 <kmc> boily: they are often publicly traded yes
21:27:29 <oerjan> boily: hm that looks like it might be from trondheim?
21:27:36 <boily> oerjan: that is indeed the case.
21:29:00 <mrhmouse> CADD: most establishments don't think to reject a coin that's missing those lines, though, if it looks worn
21:29:22 <mrhmouse> banks might, but not many other places where the money-handlers are typically teenagers
21:29:22 <kmc> boily: anyway why would it affect the spot price?
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21:29:31 <oerjan> hm is there a way to see the normal reddit frontpage without logging out
21:29:33 <CADD> mrhmouse: lol, sure. that and its really not all that profitable to do. unless they are gold coins.
21:29:53 <boily> kmc: it won't, but then you can influence the market so that you can make someone else gain or lose money.
21:29:53 <mrhmouse> CADD: in which case, many teenagers won't believe they're legal tender
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21:30:06 <boily> kmc: (unless I'm completely mistaken.)
21:30:28 <boily> oerjan: http://www.reddit.com/r/all/
21:30:58 <kmc> boily: how can you make someone else gain or lose money if you all have access to the same information and can take the same actions?
21:31:04 <mrhmouse> in fact, most counterfeiting can be gotten away with if you avoid exchanging it with someone that could possibly think to check it
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21:31:07 <CADD> mrhmouse: well, they technechally arent "legal" anymore, but anyone who know barely anything will accept them
21:31:14 <Bike_> boily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCmYXwCHZY
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21:31:44 <Bike> beautiful burnnnnnout~
21:31:52 <CADD> mrhmouse: lol, saw a video of a guy trying to sell a 1Oz gold coing for $50. the man was even in front of a cash4gold place.
21:31:58 <kmc> boily: in practice people do come up with all kinds of market manipulation schemes, in all kinds of markets, some of which are illegal
21:32:00 <Bike> oh, my mistake about the source
21:32:00 <int-e> kmc: you can still be lucky. but usually one of those assumptions turns out to be false
21:32:02 <mrhmouse> high traffic hours in grocery stores checkout lines are the best times and places to use an almost-legit bill, since a hurried kid isn't likely to check your paper
21:32:30 <CADD> mrhmouse: lol, yeah. but it has to feel right to be enough to pass. cotton and all.
21:32:32 <int-e> e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker
21:32:41 <boily> kmc: most fascinating.
21:32:47 <kmc> what about market makers? what does that have to do with manipulation?
21:32:50 <mrhmouse> CADD: right, but it isn't difficult to repurpose a lower-value bill
21:32:57 <boily> Bike: there, another one I like → http://vimeo.com/68546202
21:33:14 <Bike> it's from some kind of short film called Shinkansen and oh i see you're perfectly capable of reading video descriptions.
21:33:19 <CADD> mrhmouse: you are completely right.
21:33:34 <int-e> kmc: it's just an example of an asymmetry. market makers have more options than normal traders. (and more obligations)
21:33:44 <mrhmouse> boily: let's build a printing press
21:33:47 <CADD> mrhmouse: oh man, this brings back memories of places like totse..
21:34:12 <kmc> int-e: oh, you are using the term "market maker" to describe the regulatory status of registered broker-dealers and such, rather than just the trading strategy of market making
21:34:26 <CADD> mrhmouse: never done it myself, but its amazing how much of this info is available freely on the internet
21:34:37 <mrhmouse> boily: you're the easiest to blame^H^H^H^H^Hstart that sort of thing with
21:35:19 <kmc> sometimes you are allowed to pursue a market-making strategy without any special status as a market participant
21:35:30 <boily> mrhmouse: I am Canadian. we'd have to print vinyl money.
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21:35:47 <boily> time to go finish up xmas shopping.
21:35:49 <mrhmouse> boily: Canadian coins are vinyl?
21:35:56 <boily> mrhmouse: banknotes.
21:36:01 <Bike> they even have short tracks on them
21:36:12 * boily wishes that loonies were made of vinyl :D
21:36:22 <Bike> bits of "O Canada" and also Bjork songs
21:36:26 <CADD> boily: yup, and even some countries have embedded transparent parts. so its even more difficult to re-purpose lower valued bills
21:36:58 <boily> our bills have transparent sections, with pictures of Her Majesty.
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21:37:09 <mrhmouse> not here in the states.. you have to take time to check identifying marks like metallic strips, watermarks, etc.. they aren't glaringly obvious like they should be
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21:37:19 <CADD> boily: right, that is exactly what i was getting at. i though canada had them as well
21:38:03 <CADD> mrhmouse: well, soon enough it will be all bitcoins. lol
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21:38:26 <CADD> silly analog currencies
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21:43:29 <mrhmouse> CADD: I refuse to accept any currency besides impromptu song & dance numbers
21:45:43 <mrhmouse> CADD: hilarious TTG stories are also acceptable
21:47:48 <CADD> mrhmouse: well there is this one story that this guy on irc, where he told me that he would only take payment in currency that was less fungable than most of the currency that i had to offer, so then I decided to make a horrible TTG imitation of a story
21:48:09 <CADD> </horrible_extrenuous_joke>
21:48:13 <Bike> "hilarious" was clearly specified
21:48:29 <CADD> darn, i guess its to the guillotine with me..
21:49:17 <CADD> mrhmouse: TTG?
22:04:43 <int-e> a fungible currency is one that can go up in smoke? *wonders*
22:05:13 <Bike> fungot: advice on fungibility
22:05:14 <fungot> Bike: i'm sooooooooo close to a bus. neths 1.8.03 also adds fluffy bunnies for remote users.
22:05:28 * kmc wonders if that's a pun he doesn't get
22:05:58 <kmc> fungible just means the units are interchangeable... one dollar is as good as another
22:07:37 <int-e> so it has nothing to do with mushrooms. boring.
22:07:53 <kmc> i don't know of any smokable mushrooms
22:08:10 <kmc> douglass_ might
22:08:19 <olsner> mushrooms are not smokable?
22:08:52 <kmc> I mean, you can try
22:08:57 <kmc> but i don't think anything good will happen
22:08:59 <int-e> olsner: you're attacking the wrong end of the association chain
22:10:12 <kmc> the meat club at my school had an event advertised as "smoke anything up to the size of a small turkey"
22:10:37 <Bike> is the funny thing supposed to be the implication of #drugz or the fact that there was a club for meat
22:10:39 <int-e> Quoth the Internet, "You can also smoke dried mushrooms. It's a bit milder than eating them or making tea, but you need to use more mushrooms."
22:11:57 <kmc> int-e: psilocybin-containing mushrooms?
22:12:26 <Bike> hm. when you smoke something psychoactive is it an aerosol or what
22:13:35 <Bike> all my knowledge here is from chemical weapons, so uh
22:14:22 <Bike> sarin isn't a gas at human-livable temperatures and pressures. it's aerosolized in weapon form (unless you're aum shinrikyo)
22:15:53 <Bike> so 'sarin gas' is rather a misnomer. just a fact to keep in mind for parties.
22:16:15 <kmc> what did aum do
22:16:31 <douglass_> I've seen claims that you can smoke the top layer of an Amanita muscaria cap and it will be psychoactive.
22:16:43 <Bike> they made plastic bags filled with sarin (liquid) and then jabbed them
22:17:39 <douglass_> But people mostly agree that smoking psilocybin-containing mushrooms will just make you cough.
22:20:17 <Bike> i should ask the #drugz people at school if i can make a can of THC like a can of spray paint, i'm sure they'll be thrilled
22:22:39 <olsner> hmm, I think I've heard about spray cannabis before somewhere
22:22:48 <douglass_> And I have no idea whatsoever about whatever the fuck other chemicals are in various Gymnopilus species.
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22:24:29 <FreeFull> Amanita muscaria doesn't have psylocybin, and I know it does get used as a hallucinogen. I don't know about smoking it thugh
22:24:36 <douglass_> Also if I wanted to try A. muscaria, I'd cook it, not smoke it. Ibotenic acid is a flavor enhancer (like MSG) and lots of people say A. muscaria is one of the most delicious wild mushrooms there is.
22:25:11 <FreeFull> Mushrooms that have psylocybin in them taste rather horrible
22:25:46 <FreeFull> You could probably feed A. muscaria to a reindeer and drink the piss
22:26:42 <douglass_> Why? I was under the impression that cooking did most of the same desired conversion to muscimol and with much tastier results.
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22:26:56 <douglass_> Also, reindeer are not a common backyard pet in my area.
22:27:28 <ion> http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/12/18/2122226/scientists-extract-rsa-key-from-gnupg-using-sound-of-cpu?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt
22:27:35 <Bike> Does anyone know what kind of computers the Luna probes used?
22:29:28 <Bike> christ, nasa's page doesn't even specify what agency they were under
22:29:49 <kmc> FreeFull: they don't always
22:29:53 <kmc> taste horrible I mean
22:34:06 <douglass_> right, varies by species + personal taste. some people even think Gymnopilus species are tasty (which may be due to variance in bitterness receptors. Many mushrooms in the genus Gymnopilus contain psilocybin but also some other stuff.)
22:36:26 <douglass_> (Gymnopiluses are usually described as intensely bitter, which was my opinion of the non-psilocybin-containing G. ventricosus that I found and made dye from. It smelled pretty good though.)
22:37:07 <kmc> I had some P. galindoi sclerotia and they tasted... not like food, but definitely not "horrible"
22:37:49 <douglass_> Taxonomy note: P. galindoi is now declared synonymous with P. mexicana.
22:38:28 <kmc> kind of like eating wax with a slight, unusual "crisp" taste reminiscent of mineral water or that time I ate some raw saffron
22:38:33 <kmc> hard to describe
22:38:41 <kmc> douglass_: ah
22:38:51 <kmc> fungot: are you synonymous with P. mexicana
22:38:52 <fungot> kmc: let's do it from the server
22:39:11 <olsner> fungot: are you edible?
22:39:12 <fungot> olsner: all things has a price?)
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22:40:44 <douglass_> (though who the fuck knows which species those really were anyway)
22:41:30 <kmc> <douglass_> Also, reindeer are not a common backyard pet in my area. <--- yet another reason to move to finland
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22:42:28 <kmc> all we have here are cats, snails, and hippies
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22:44:25 <olsner> you have hippies in the back yard?
22:44:50 <Bike> they have themselves
22:44:54 <kmc> also neighbors
22:45:35 <olsner> roe deer may be hunted from the start of may to middle of june, because they're less radioactive in the summer
22:47:04 <kmc> http://kch.zf.jcu.cz/vyzkum/publikace/separaty/Mushroom%20radioactivity%202012.pdf
22:47:33 <kmc> this agrees with you, say they are radioactive in the fall mushroom season
22:48:07 <FreeFull> There is fungus in Chernobyl that uses radioactivity as a source of energy
22:51:17 <Bike> "A History of APL in the USSR", yeah i'm fucked
22:52:05 <Bike> it's cool how there's like no central repository of ISBN publisher identifiers
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22:53:00 <Bike> oh, nevermind, it exists, as a printed book
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22:53:46 <Bike> and the ebook only costs fifteen hundred euros!
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22:56:45 <CADD> Bike: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=130647.130656
22:58:00 <Bike> what i was actually looking for was a russian-language book that doesn't exist anywhere on the english-language web, apparently
22:58:52 <CADD> Bike: oh, so not the same?
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