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00:28:14 <kmc> Memory has been exhausted; operation cannot continue (sorry).
00:28:26 <kmc> xview is polite
00:29:14 <kmc> https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/8128275
00:29:34 <Bike> lol
00:29:49 <fizzie> "Sorry it didn't work out." --qmail-send
00:29:54 <kmc> yep
00:30:16 <kmc> "Internal compiler error. It's not you, it's me."
00:31:46 <fizzie> "Hi. This is the qmail-send program at hostname.tld. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out." (Full version.)
00:32:58 <kmc> oh my stupid regex missed: %s: Sorry, cannot load images deeper than 16 bits (yet)
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01:15:46 <Sgeo> holy crap solar eclipse cruises sell out quickly
01:43:41 <Sgeo> (Comment on a RuneScape music video)
01:43:42 <Sgeo> "even though the game is back no one is generous. I say that because im angry. Yes there are a few generous people but i had to BEG people to sell me law runes so i could teleport somewhere, i wasnt asking for free i said ill pay and i begged and begged but no one even acknowledged me and the few who did, well guess what they wrote ? then they walked off after i asked."
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01:45:19 <Edwardz> Hey guys! I just "Google Scholar'd" "brainfuck" and got some really cool results that I think an esoteric language community would be interested in. Foremost, however, is definitely this one!
01:45:20 <Edwardz> http://www.nada.kth.se/kurser/kth/2D1464/awib.pdf
01:45:36 <Edwardz> Did any of you publish this...? ;)
01:45:38 <Bike> can you give me a title or something, i don't want to download a pdf
01:45:51 <Edwardz> Sorry, Chrome makes one forget about the whole PDF thing.
01:45:58 <Edwardz> The design and implementation of awib, a brainfuck compiler written in brainfuck
01:46:17 <Bike> i think there are a couple of those on the esolang page
01:46:31 <lifthrasiir> http://esolangs.org/wiki/awib
01:46:37 <Bike> well, there we go.
01:46:40 <lifthrasiir> awib is notable enough ;)
01:46:46 <Edwardz> I hadn't checked, apologies. I found the background and preface extremely cool.
01:47:18 <Bike> https://twitter.com/matslina weird how you can find anybody on the internet nowadays
01:48:30 <Bike> here, in return, have this paper http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.1749
01:48:59 <Edwardz> That's freakin' awesome!
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02:01:40 <kmc> arxiv is the best venue for publishing hard sci-fi
02:02:48 <Bike> sci-fi so hard it actually happened
02:03:42 <Bike> hm, i should use that to refer to naturalistic novels
02:08:39 <kmc> well some of it is about, like, hypothetical space missions to save the earth from the sun blowing up in 5 billion years
02:09:16 <kmc> or the self-replicating intergalactic probes
02:12:10 <Bike> i oughta make me some o those
02:12:31 <Bike> are there any estimates on how long they'd take to kill us all if i sent one to, say, tau ceti
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02:44:38 <quintopia> hi
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02:47:17 <kmc> hi
02:47:23 * kmc drinking mulled peach wine
02:50:16 <shachaf> i like peaches
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02:51:13 <kmc> but do you like wines
02:51:50 <quintopia> mulled wine is good
02:51:51 <quintopia> bur
02:51:55 <quintopia> peach?
02:51:59 <kmc> apparently
02:51:59 <shachaf> uncertain
02:52:05 <shachaf> will mull it over
02:52:07 <kmc> peach wine is p. good (n=1)
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03:07:23 <kmc> shachaf: did you have a good christmas or w/e
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03:18:21 <shachaf> not v.
03:19:31 <shachaf> perhaps next year
03:19:33 <kmc> hrm
03:20:00 <kmc> what did you do
03:20:11 <kmc> `quote christmas
03:20:13 <HackEgo> 522) <fungot> CakeProphet: mr president, in the best egyptian judicial traditions has now been put off to friday. but i want my money back'. we know it generally deals with major infrastructure projects which could form part of the emergency package for korea, on christmas eve, in the interests of consumers and the environment of gmos. \ 836) <kmc>
03:20:17 <shachaf> tried to sleep through the noise while being sick
03:20:20 <kmc> `quote 836
03:20:22 <HackEgo> 836) <kmc> no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor
03:20:30 <kmc> good quote kmc
03:20:31 <shachaf> was woken up at 3something by loud music
03:20:37 <shachaf> and so on
03:20:53 <shachaf> people are so inconsiderate
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04:34:10 <zzo38> Today I got a "Puzzle Strike" game.
04:34:25 <shachaf> Is it good?
04:34:48 <zzo38> Yes
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04:59:12 <quintopia> wtf
05:22:45 <kmc> what which fuck
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07:55:17 <Sgeo> http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/digest.cgi?N=1524#1524-02
07:55:19 <Sgeo> I'm sad now
07:55:27 <Sgeo> I don't want the Internet Oracle to die
08:10:59 <Sgeo> http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/digest.cgi?N=1521#1521-03 I like this one
08:18:01 <Sgeo> http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/digest.cgi?N=1521#1521-05
08:35:25 <Sgeo> help im addicted
08:36:03 <Bike> why couldn't you get addicted to heroin like a good son
08:50:09 <Sgeo> I need to be awake and coherent soon :/
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08:51:09 <Bike> you know what might help with that? drugz
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08:52:30 <Sgeo> A very good idea immediately before a drug test
08:53:03 <Bike> if you don't have enough drugz you'll fail the drug tesst
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09:15:55 <oerjan> <shachaf> was woken up at 3something by loud music <-- i'm going to assume something = pm, because it makes the rest funnier (and i still feel with you)
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13:22:37 <Sgeo> rec.humor.oracle.d is full of spam
13:22:46 <Sgeo> Just like a hovercraft full of eels
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13:55:30 <boily> `relcome w00tles
13:55:35 <HackEgo> w00tles: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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14:59:49 <fizzie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131226-lifenative.jpg -- don't know why, but I just absolutely have to take a picture whenever a public computer has crashed.
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15:33:18 <boily> fizzie: what is lifenative?
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15:42:57 <fizzie> No clue, but I assume it's the software responsible for the interactive multimedia experience under the error message.
15:50:56 <boily> you have a N900? sweet :D
15:53:17 <fizzie> Huh, the exif tags survived the trip through Gimp? Fancy.
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16:19:56 <quintopia> hoily
16:22:12 <boily> quinthellopia.
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16:30:37 <boily> ~metar CYQB
16:30:38 <metasepia> CYQB 261600Z 05006KT 3/4SM -SN OVC007 M11/M14 A3024 RMK SN6SF2 SLP248
16:37:16 <olsner> ~metar ESKN
16:37:19 <metasepia> ESKN 261620Z 09004KT 9000 MIFG BR NSC 00/00 Q1002 R26/710164
16:38:32 <olsner> hmm, BR was that french word for something, wasn't it?
16:38:54 <boily> «brume».
16:39:13 <boily> also, you have MIFG ← http://www.aeroinstructor.com/2011/02/shallow-fog-metar-mifg/
16:39:24 <olsner> brume, "poetic heavy mist or fog"
16:41:04 <boily> brume is lighter than fog.
16:46:07 <olsner> no significant cloud... and 00/00 is temperature = dewpoint = 0 C?
16:49:49 <boily> indeed.
16:50:14 <olsner> what's R26/710164?
16:50:35 <olsner> that 9000 is visibility?
16:53:14 <boily> Rnn/nnnnnn is runway condition. I can't decipher them without a guide.
16:53:34 <boily> 9000 is ground visibility. I think it's 9 km, but I'm not sure.
16:53:50 * boily mutters to himself “metric units...”
16:54:02 <Taneb> I'm gonna rehost my esolangs page
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17:01:18 <Taneb> http://runciman.hacksoc.org/~taneb/esolangs.html
17:02:10 <shachaf> Taneb: s/Read/Real/ on the last entry there.
17:02:35 <Taneb> shachaf, good spot
17:02:47 <boily> Taneb: your page, it is exclamatory!
17:04:56 <Taneb> I am not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing!
17:05:18 <boily> olsner: seems your R group is a special European runway designation →https://www.ivao.aero/training/tutorials/metar/metar.htm, § EIGHT FIGURE GROUP.
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17:14:26 <myname> Taneb: why does MIBBLLII not have square brackets? :(
17:15:02 <Taneb> myname, it does
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17:15:10 <myname> were
17:15:11 <myname> *h
17:15:14 <Taneb> Just they're syntax, not operators
17:15:59 <Taneb> "It uses [ and ] as brackets for grouping combinators"
17:16:06 <myname> ah
17:16:41 <myname> why don't you provide interpreters?
17:17:02 <Taneb> Mostly because either there isn't an interpreter or because I haven't bothered
17:17:09 <Taneb> Where they exist the wiki links to them
17:23:02 <Phantom_Hoover> <Taneb> Just they're syntax, not operators
17:23:15 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I'm gonna be wrong aren't I
17:23:19 <quintopia> would anyone be really pissed if i went through the brainfuck constants page and deleted all but one of each the "multiplying factors" programs that were identical up to commutation of factors?
17:23:20 <Phantom_Hoover> that's a distinction of definition isn't it?
17:23:40 <Phantom_Hoover> like people define [] in brainfuck as 'operators' but you get exactly the same language as you get if you define them as 'syntax'
17:24:10 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I don't think you would in MIBBLII
17:25:11 <quintopia> Phantom_Hoover: you'd have to change the semantics of bf to define them as syntax right? [ and ] actually do things (compare the current cell to zero) and that functionality would have to be moved into a category of "the way grouped commands in this language behave"
17:25:28 <Phantom_Hoover> what
17:26:42 <Phantom_Hoover> in bf i would just say "+-,.<> work as normal, [prog] runs prog if the current cell is nonzero, then [prog] again"
17:27:03 <quintopia> yeah that would work
17:27:27 <quintopia> essentially exactly what i was saying
17:28:27 <Phantom_Hoover> oh i see where the confusion was now
17:31:39 <quintopia> so yeah, no one cares if i go on a BF constants deleting spree?
17:31:48 <Taneb> Not I!
17:31:58 <quintopia> boily: do you care
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17:45:12 * boily is munching on some crackers while he watches the deleting spree.
17:45:56 <boily> quintopia: delete to you heart content!
17:45:58 <quintopia> ...it's not very exciting
17:46:11 <boily> I'm hungry, there are crackers.
17:47:40 <olsner> is it important to delete constants?
17:47:50 <quintopia> the nice thing about BF is that programs that look very similar probably are very similar in what they do. (for a specific meaning of "look similar")
17:48:02 <quintopia> olsner: yes everyone should
17:49:04 <boily> I'm environmentally aware. I recycle my constants.
17:54:40 <quintopia> boily: a reversible computing proponent?
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18:10:37 <boily> chellontrapumpkin.
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18:12:24 <boily> quintopia: 100% efficiency isn't physically possible, so there are always some side-effects left. sure, you get some FDIV errors here and there when using recycled numbers, but it's the best for Nature, Earth, and Round Blue Stuff like that.
18:20:05 <FreeFull> Reversible computing doesn't change the entropy of the system, I think
18:20:24 <Slereah> Reversible computing minimizes the entropy increase
18:20:25 <FreeFull> Or, not until you want to get the answer
18:20:38 <FreeFull> So you get the theoretically minimum energy usage
18:20:59 <Slereah> (Because you are mad if you think it will do 0 entropy increase)
18:21:20 <Slereah> MAD I TELL YOU
18:21:47 <Slereah> INSANE!
18:21:48 <Slereah> WENDEL!
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18:23:26 <FreeFull> Well, you can't do computation without entropy increase
18:23:43 <FreeFull> Information theory and all that
18:23:51 <boily> I AGREE WITH SLEREAH! FREEFULL IS MAD! (also, what is a wendel?)
18:24:01 <kmc> can't you get the answer too, you just can't forget anything?
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18:24:58 <Slereah> boily : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJiD43oeLCU#t=2m58
18:25:24 <boily> Slereah: oh. tdh.
18:25:31 <Slereah> tdh?
18:25:36 <FreeFull> boily: Well, I am mad
18:25:47 <FreeFull> But I never said you could compute without increasing entropy
18:26:28 <kmc> `? mad
18:26:29 <boily> `? tdh
18:26:30 <HackEgo> ​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
18:26:31 <HackEgo> tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
18:27:13 <boily> imho, entropy and madness are usually orthogonal, but you never know. sometimes they leak unto each other.
18:27:36 <FreeFull> Maybe I should finish reading that book
18:27:38 <Slereah> Then how do you explain perpetual motion machines
18:27:46 <FreeFull> It came with my phone
18:27:52 <Slereah> Lack of entropy brings madness
18:28:21 <Bike> the whole wacky insane thing is so very unpleasant after havin nightmares about schizophrenia
18:28:41 <Slereah> Oh I had a fun dream like that
18:28:48 <Slereah> I was hallucinating, like
18:28:53 <Slereah> Hallucinating like hell
18:28:56 <Slereah> And i was screaming
18:29:00 <Slereah> But only screaming in my mind
18:29:09 <Slereah> BECAUSE NO SOUND WAS COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH
18:29:12 <Slereah> Fun dream
18:29:20 <boily> `run echo 'Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy.' >wisdom/'perpetual motion machine'
18:29:24 <HackEgo> No output.
18:29:42 <FreeFull> `? perpetual motion machine
18:29:44 <HackEgo> Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFulls phone. They were hallucinated by Slereahs lack of entropy.
18:29:51 <FreeFull> `? perpetuum mobile
18:29:52 <boily> oh hm.
18:29:52 <HackEgo> perpetuum mobile? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:30:07 <boily> `run echo "Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy." >wisdom/'perpetual motion machine'
18:30:10 <HackEgo> No output.
18:30:15 <Slereah> Do neural networks dream
18:30:21 <Slereah> Possibly of electric sheep
18:30:27 <boily> ~duck perpetuum
18:31:01 <FreeFull> `run ln -l wisdom/'perpetual motion machine' wisdom/'perpetuum mobile'
18:31:02 <HackEgo> ln: invalid option -- 'l' \ Try `ln --help' for more information.
18:31:04 <boily> my bot is lagged. it just got to “WENDEL!”
18:31:08 <FreeFull> `run ln -s wisdom/'perpetual motion machine' wisdom/'perpetuum mobile'
18:31:11 <HackEgo> ln: accessing `wisdom/perpetuum mobile': Not a directory
18:31:25 <FreeFull> `run ln -s wisdom/'perpetuum mobile' wisdom/'perpetual motion machine'
18:31:27 <HackEgo> ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/perpetual motion machine': File exists
18:31:31 <FreeFull> I always get the order mixed up
18:31:33 <FreeFull> Hmm
18:31:43 <FreeFull> `? perpetuum mobile
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18:31:44 <HackEgo> perpetuum mobile? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:32:13 <FreeFull> What does it mean by not a directory again?
18:32:25 <FreeFull> `run ln -s ./wisdom/'perpetuum mobile' 'perpetual motion machine'
18:32:29 <HackEgo> ln: accessing `perpetual motion machine': Not a directory
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18:32:51 <FreeFull> `run ln -s 'perpetual motion machine' ./wisdom/'perpetuum mobile'
18:32:52 <HackEgo> ln: accessing `./wisdom/perpetuum mobile': Not a directory
18:33:00 <FreeFull> `run ln -s 'perpetual motion machine' /hackego/wisdom/'perpetuum mobile'
18:33:02 <HackEgo> ln: creating symbolic link `/hackego/wisdom/perpetuum mobile': No such file or directory
18:33:07 <FreeFull> I should stop
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18:34:16 <boily> ~duck perpetuum
18:34:30 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
18:34:35 <FreeFull> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetuum_mobile
18:35:02 <FreeFull> Except that page is about it in music
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18:37:55 <FreeFull> One fun thing about perpetual motion is that the capillary bowl setup actually works if you use superliquid helium
18:38:02 <FreeFull> You can't extract energy from it though
18:38:29 <FreeFull> And the helium will end up dripping out
18:39:13 <FreeFull> I guess you could make it enclosed, and use some material that doesn't have microscopic pores
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18:40:46 <FreeFull> Maybe I'm wrong about this
18:40:48 <boily> so you'd have a dripping, supercooled, isolated perpetual motion machine?
18:41:14 <FreeFull> boily: Well, you'd have to keep it cool
18:41:18 <FreeFull> That'd take energy
18:41:23 <Bike> 'huge dogecoin heist' no, world, i'm not ready for this
18:41:38 <FreeFull> Dogecoins were never a good thing
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18:45:17 <Bike> https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i.imgur.com/nh2vUkx.png&fnr
18:47:46 <boily> Ê?
18:59:05 <myname> i am a bit disappointed because of the lack of any offline haskell interpreters for android
19:01:51 <Bike> typing code on a phone sounds painful
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19:02:11 <myname> depends on your keyboard
19:02:25 <myname> hacker's keyboard on a tablet is actually pretty usable
19:02:50 <oerjan> <Sgeo> Just like a hovercraft full of eels <-- well they're both monty python terms hth
19:03:39 <oerjan> @tell Sgeo <Sgeo> Just like a hovercraft full of eels <-- well they're both monty python terms hth
19:03:39 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:14:20 <boily> `? hovercraft
19:14:21 <HackEgo> a-é-ro-g-liss-e-ur. If you mention eels, you'll get smacked with one of them in a most unappropriate manner.
19:14:24 <kmc> ⠠⠵⠠⠵ HACKER KEYBOARD⠠⠵⠠⠵
19:14:55 <boily> @tell Sgeo you deserve an inappropriate smack.
19:14:55 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:15:12 * boily gacks at such an horrendous usage of Braille
19:16:22 <myname> oh wow, you could write base64 perfectly fine with braille
19:20:09 <boily> `unidecode ⠠⠵
19:20:12 <HackEgo> ​[U+2820 BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-6] [U+2835 BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-1356]
19:21:48 <oerjan> `unicode BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-6
19:21:50 <HackEgo> ​⠠
19:22:04 <oerjan> oh
19:25:48 <oerjan> `run unicode 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-45' 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-12' 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-36'
19:25:50 <HackEgo> ​⠘⠃⠤
19:26:09 <oerjan> hm
19:26:57 <oerjan> `run unicode 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-35' 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-14' 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-26'
19:26:59 <HackEgo> ​⠔⠉⠢
19:27:09 <oerjan> that's better
19:27:18 <kmc> hi bike
19:27:28 <Bike> sup
19:27:58 <oerjan> > var $ cycle "⠔⠉⠢"
19:28:00 <lambdabot> ⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔⠉⠢⠔...
19:29:34 <oerjan> `run unicode 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-34' 'BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-16'
19:29:36 <HackEgo> ​⠌⠡
19:31:13 <boily> ⡗⡇⣟⡁⣇⡀⣇⡀⣏⡇⢘
19:31:27 <oerjan> ^ul (⠌)S((⠌)(⠡))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
19:31:27 <fungot> ⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠡⠌⠌⠡⠡⠌⠌⠡ ...too much output!
19:31:35 <kmc> much output, very braille
19:31:52 <kmc> is that the moose-thor sequence?
19:31:55 <kmc> p. not
19:32:10 * boily carves an aerodynamic dog in a maple branch, then lobs it towards kmc's head
19:32:17 <oerjan> kmc: geas
19:33:05 <oerjan> hm that doesn't not have the expected pronunciation
19:33:17 <kmc> geese
19:33:28 <oerjan> nope, not like that
19:33:42 <oerjan> [ɡɛʃ]
19:33:52 <boily> guèche?
19:34:11 <Taneb> Gesh?
19:34:49 <oerjan> except they spell it geas. people like that should go to gaol.
19:34:58 <kmc> gaol is in hexham right?
19:35:02 <Taneb> Yup
19:35:07 <kmc> gaol is a place where nothing ever happens
19:36:03 <boily> UK's goegraphy is weird.
19:37:12 <Taneb> Anyone got any fun, easy recipes for me to cook tomorrow/
19:38:19 <oerjan> Taneb: i note your esopage doesn't mention that you cannot directly put negative numbers in the program.
19:38:32 <boily> Taneb: http://youtu.be/CeZlih4DDNg
19:38:34 <oerjan> *+fueue
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19:40:49 <boily> Taneb: also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambalaya. I make mine with ham.
19:40:59 <boily> lifthellorasiir.
19:41:24 <oerjan> boily: argh XD
19:42:43 <boily> oerjan: I can't resolve what your “argh” is pointing to.
19:43:02 <oerjan> something clearly satanic
19:45:12 <boily> I made it a few weeks ago. it was very good! (the Powers of the Ancients were properly channeled into the Glorious Pad Thai!)
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19:55:30 <boily> thellortu.
19:55:33 <boily> `ello ais523
19:55:36 <HackEgo> Hello, ais523!
19:55:41 <boily> ...
19:56:19 <ais523> hi
19:56:42 <Taneb> oerjan, you realise my esopage has been online for months, I've just moved it?
19:58:14 <oerjan> Taneb: yes, so i just took a look
19:59:17 <oerjan> ais523110
20:00:11 <boily> `run cat bin/ello
20:00:12 <HackEgo> ​#!/usr/bin/env node \ // Generated by CoffeeScript 1.6.2 \ (function() { \ var consonant_then_o, ell_manglable, ends_with_consonant, ends_with_consonant_then_vowel, name, starts_with_o; \ \ name = process.argv[2]; \ \ if (!(name != null ? name.length : void 0)) { \ console.log('Usage: ello <name>'); \ process.exit(); \ } \ \
20:00:30 <boily> holy fungot. who coffeed that?
20:00:30 <fungot> boily: http://developer.apple.com/ documentation/ fnord
20:00:49 <boily> fungot: it's now an apple product? oh the humanity...
20:00:50 <fungot> boily: because i was lifting a tileset from it. in fact i am not
20:01:18 <boily> fungot: oh. careful with lifting tiles from cupertino. you could receive a C&A, and that would be terrible.
20:01:19 <fungot> boily: yet another casualty in the drug war
20:01:33 <boily> s/\&A/\&D/
20:02:04 <boily> fungot: I know. as the proverb goes, you can't break eggs without inventing the Universal Pie from scratch first.
20:02:04 <fungot> boily: it's the name of godel against my original statment on the matter
20:02:25 <boily> fungot: I trust gödel more than you.
20:10:11 <shachaf> I trust fungot a lot more.
20:10:12 <fungot> shachaf: s/ thunk/ procedure/. about that...?
20:10:40 <boily> shachaf: I think fungot is a spy.
20:10:41 <fungot> boily: so the evaluator creates these two reactions, 1 a, 2 bits for space reasons"
20:10:43 <shachaf> fungot: Sure, whatever.
20:10:43 <fungot> shachaf: is a primitive is: ( define foo car)
20:12:24 <oerjan> gödel only trusted those who didn't trust themselves. r.i.p. gödel.
20:14:16 <fizzie> fungot: Are you sure you're not secretly written in Scheme?
20:14:16 <fungot> fizzie: that's the part i'm working on a sound library for games as well; the fnord are down because they can't allow downloads easily i can run
20:14:23 <shachaf> i only trust people who don't trust oerjan
20:14:35 <fizzie> shachaf: That must be a p. small set of people.
20:15:25 <oerjan> shachaf: a wise policy.
20:15:53 <oerjan> the people who trust me are such fools.
20:16:19 <shachaf> oerjan: i don't know about that
20:16:21 <shachaf> oerjan: i trust you
20:16:51 <oerjan> i see no contradictions yet.
20:19:58 <boily> oerjan is my standard unit of trustiness.
20:21:08 <boily> I trust fungot at 500 mSø.
20:21:08 <fungot> boily: i think that is the same word as " husband" blah blah blah))
20:22:19 <shachaf> fungot: do you know what the hebrew word for " husband" is
20:22:19 <fungot> shachaf: that much i could figure out the commands,
20:23:27 <boily> shachaf: is that like trying to open the doors of Moria? “מדבר בעל ולהיכנס.”
20:23:52 <boily> (hm. some directionality was lost in transcribing...)
20:24:27 <shachaf> help
20:31:34 <shachaf> buzz buzz
20:31:51 <oerjan> <FreeFull> Well, you can't do computation without entropy increase <-- *cough* only if you delete information. what do you think the point of using reversible computing is?
20:34:40 <shachaf> Taneb: I'm not sure why you would want to write a hello world program in Agda.
20:34:59 <Taneb> shachaf, shut up I just want it to stop shouting at me when I try to compile
20:35:35 <FreeFull> oerjan: We can't actually reach true reversibility though
20:35:38 <shachaf> What are you trying to compile and how?
20:35:46 <shachaf> oh wait will follow instructions
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20:37:11 <boily> hezzo38.
20:37:15 <oerjan> FreeFull: maybe not. also, trying to put symbolic links in HackEgo is folly hth
20:40:01 <oerjan> first, because you can never remember how ln is _supposed_ to work, secondly because i don't think symbolic links work with the hg repository.
20:40:23 <shachaf> oerjan: What about the old wisdom/ngevd?
20:40:36 <FreeFull> oerjan: So cp is the only option?
20:40:47 <FreeFull> But that won't update with changes
20:40:49 <oerjan> shachaf: i don't quite remember.
20:41:09 <oerjan> `? perpetuum mobile
20:41:11 <HackEgo> perpetuum mobile? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:41:18 <oerjan> `? perpetual motion machine
20:41:20 <HackEgo> Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy.
20:41:53 <oerjan> `run ln -s 'perpetual motion machine' wisdom/'perpetuum mobile'
20:41:54 <HackEgo> ln: accessing `wisdom/perpetuum mobile': Not a directory
20:42:04 <oerjan> `? perpetuum mobile
20:42:05 <HackEgo> perpetuum mobile? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:42:28 <FreeFull> Yeah, it gives that weird Not a directory error
20:42:56 <FreeFull> Maybe if you give it the full path?
20:43:09 <oerjan> ls -l wisdom/perp*
20:43:17 <oerjan> `run ls -l wisdom/perp*
20:43:19 <HackEgo> ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 107 Dec 26 18:30 wisdom/perpetual motion machine \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 31 Dec 26 18:31 wisdom/perpetuum mobile -> wisdom/perpetual motion machine
20:43:30 <FreeFull> Well, that link is wrong
20:43:45 <oerjan> `rm wisdom/perpetuum mobile
20:43:48 <HackEgo> No output.
20:43:55 <oerjan> `run ln -s 'perpetual motion machine' wisdom/'perpetuum mobile'
20:43:59 <HackEgo> ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/perpetuum mobile': File exists
20:44:06 <FreeFull> You didn't remove it correctly
20:44:14 <FreeFull> The error changed somehow
20:44:20 <oerjan> `run ls -l wisdom/perp*
20:44:21 <boily> ah, the joy of symbolic links :D
20:44:22 <HackEgo> ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 107 Dec 26 18:30 wisdom/perpetual motion machine \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 24 Dec 26 20:43 wisdom/perpetuum mobile -> perpetual motion machine
20:44:28 * boily munches on «sucre à la crème»
20:44:31 <FreeFull> Ah, it worked
20:44:33 <FreeFull> Somehow
20:44:36 <FreeFull> `? perpetuum mobile
20:44:39 <HackEgo> Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy.
20:45:11 <oerjan> `run ls -l wisdom/*wolfram
20:45:12 <HackEgo> ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:51 wisdom/stephen wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram
20:45:40 <FreeFull> Copies
20:45:44 <FreeFull> `? woflram
20:45:46 <HackEgo> woflram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:45:47 <FreeFull> `? wolfram
20:45:49 <HackEgo> Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
20:45:52 <FreeFull> `? stephen wolfram
20:45:54 <HackEgo> Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
20:45:56 <shachaf> Taneb invents too much
20:46:00 <shachaf> also he hates me :'(
20:46:06 <oerjan> `run echo test >test
20:46:10 <HackEgo> No output.
20:46:13 <oerjan> `? perpetuum mobile
20:46:15 <HackEgo> Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy.
20:46:22 <oerjan> ok it's still working
20:46:40 <oerjan> i have this vague hunch that the links sometimes just stop working again.
20:46:52 <boily> `? tanebventions
20:46:54 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, and Go.
20:47:08 <boily> I think I was the first to call them “tanebventions”...
20:47:14 <boily> `pastlogs tanebvention
20:47:15 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found
20:47:20 <boily> `pastlog tanebvention
20:47:51 <HackEgo> No output.
20:48:33 <boily> `pastelog tanebvention
20:48:53 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9996
20:48:58 <shachaf> is invention transitive
20:48:58 <FreeFull> This is weird
20:49:01 <oerjan> pastlog should have worked
20:49:03 <FreeFull> `run ls wisdom/e/e
20:49:05 <HackEgo> wisdom/e/e
20:49:08 <FreeFull> `run ls -l wisdom/e/e
20:49:09 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 10 Oct 30 15:01 wisdom/e/e -> wisdom/e/e
20:49:38 <boily> shachaf: as in, if I invent you, and you invent Taneb, that implies I invented Taneb?
20:49:48 <shachaf> For instance.
20:50:23 <Taneb> boily, therefore you invented Stephen Wolfram
20:50:45 <shachaf> didn't he invent maths
20:50:57 <FreeFull> `run rm -rf wisdom/e
20:51:01 <HackEgo> No output.
20:51:07 <FreeFull> `run grep -iR taneb wisdom/ | wc -l
20:51:11 <HackEgo> 10
20:51:26 <Taneb> `people whom taneb is not
20:51:27 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: people: not found
20:51:30 <Taneb> `? people whom taneb is not
20:51:32 <HackEgo> people whom taneb is not? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:51:35 <oerjan> `ls wisdom/e
20:51:36 <Taneb> `? people who taneb is not
20:51:36 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/e: No such file or directory
20:51:37 <HackEgo> elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond
20:51:54 <shachaf> mysteriously, fungot is not on the list
20:51:55 <fungot> shachaf: it's all hw stuff is too much work and can be fnord
20:51:56 <boily> Taneb: a shame, really.
20:52:21 <boily> shachaf: for Taneb to have invented fungot, there must be an isomorphism between him and fizzie.
20:52:22 <fungot> boily: glass/, linguine/ i had to remove all the text to include some content.
20:52:50 <shachaf> what is the biextensional collapse of Taneb
20:53:53 <boily> ~duck biextensional collapse
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20:54:53 <boily> ~duck biextensional collapse
20:54:53 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:55:14 <shachaf> it's a thing you can do to chu spaces
20:55:17 <shachaf> it's sort of like a skeleton
20:55:29 <shachaf> except in both dimensions
20:55:34 <shachaf> at the same time
20:57:14 <boily> mine eyes glazeth over thine bidimensional skeleton.
20:57:39 <shachaf> your skeleton is bidimensional
20:58:00 <boily> that'd explain a lot of things.
20:58:36 <shachaf> boily: by the way, "glazeth" is singular
20:58:42 <shachaf> like "glazes"
20:58:48 <shachaf> and "eyes" is plural
20:58:52 <shachaf> maybe you just want the word "glaze"
20:58:53 <boily> glazethen.
20:59:00 <shachaf> ~duck glaze
20:59:01 <metasepia> glaze definition: to furnish or fit with glass.
20:59:05 <boily> `pastelog eyes
20:59:16 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10027
20:59:46 <boily> `pastelog eyes.*over
21:00:04 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6495
21:00:30 <boily> “normally distributed glazed eyes served over bouchées of surreal bread rolls.”
21:00:34 <shachaf> fizzie: ☝ you too ☝
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21:02:35 <oerjan> there's boily with his r'lyehan fusion cuisine again. i guess it balances out the vegan black metal somehow.
21:03:17 <boily> oerjan: I need my proteins somehow.
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21:03:56 <fizzie> What me what.
21:04:26 <boily> `unidecode ☝
21:04:27 <HackEgo> ​[U+261D WHITE UP POINTING INDEX]
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21:04:36 <shachaf> FINGER
21:05:00 <oerjan> shachaf: it clearly specifies an index not a middle finger hth
21:05:03 <zzo38> Do hardware compilers have to analyze state machines? Maybe in such case I should add a state machine command if it would be really helpful for this purpose?
21:05:06 <fizzie> I'll give you the FINGER.
21:05:10 <boily> 7/8 INCH
21:05:51 <shachaf> oerjan: yes
21:05:56 <shachaf> oerjan: because i was pointing above
21:06:16 <fizzie> What was in the above that I was supposed to pay attention to, though?
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21:06:27 <shachaf> fizzie: Eyes are plural, so they "glaze" over.
21:06:31 <shachaf> Not "glazeth".
21:06:47 <fizzie> Okay. That is good to know.
21:07:04 <Bike> zzo38: they don't /have/ to, they just have ways to analyze fsms for optimization
21:07:14 <fizzie> @wn glaze
21:07:15 <lambdabot> *** "glaze" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
21:07:16 <lambdabot> glaze
21:07:16 <lambdabot> n 1: any of various thin shiny (savory or sweet) coatings
21:07:16 <lambdabot> applied to foods
21:07:16 <lambdabot> 2: a glossy finish on a fabric
21:07:16 <shachaf> This is in response to
21:07:17 <shachaf> 2009-03-31.txt:20:40:25: <fizzie> I just do strict+warnings on top of every script, since I can't read the "use diagnostics;" error messages; they are so verbose, my eyes glazeth over.
21:07:17 <lambdabot> [10 @more lines]
21:07:20 <fizzie> (MY EYES ARE SAVORY)
21:07:58 <zzo38> Bike: Ah, OK, but do you know how such a thing is used? I think you have said you wanted to enter state machines for this purpose?
21:08:46 <boily> fizzie: oh! would you mind providing me with that delicious-sounding Finnish delicacy? I'm always on the prowl to try out new ingredients :D
21:09:01 <fizzie> Sorry, I'm using them.
21:09:02 <shachaf> @wn savory
21:09:04 <lambdabot> *** "savory" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
21:09:04 <lambdabot> savory
21:09:04 <lambdabot> adj 1: morally wholesome or acceptable; "a past that was
21:09:04 <lambdabot> scarcely savory" [syn: {savory}, {savoury}] [ant:
21:09:04 <lambdabot> {offensive}, {unsavory}, {unsavoury}]
21:09:06 <lambdabot> [12 @more lines]
21:09:17 <Bike> zzo38: i can't say i know the particulars of synthesis, no :(
21:10:20 <zzo38> How would you intend to enter them for this purpose, though, at least?
21:10:23 <Bike> i can imagine specific algorithms for assigning state codes or whatever
21:11:03 <zzo38> In case you can program the state machine directly if it is applicable to the program
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21:28:55 <fizzie> http://hs11.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1305764920260?ts=353 some people take this "gingerbread house" thing a bit further than others.
21:29:03 <fizzie> (That's the central railway station of Helsinki.)
21:29:54 <fizzie> (Well, I mean, yes, it's only a model.)
21:30:26 <oerjan> pretty sure i saw a picture in the newspaper recently of one that was hut-sized.
21:32:21 <fizzie> Probably the new world record.
21:32:58 <fizzie> (For the largest gingerbread house in terms of volume -- 39202 cubic feet.)
21:33:10 <oerjan> what we need is to get dubai involved somehow.
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21:39:49 <oerjan> b_jonas: hm are you the same b_jonas as on the iwc forum?
21:41:52 <b_jonas> oerjan: if you mean irregularwebcomics, then yes
21:42:08 <oerjan> yay
21:42:10 <b_jonas> (I'm the majority of b_jonas-es from the web actually)
21:42:12 <FreeFull> fizzie: I hope the green bits aren't mint
21:42:46 <b_jonas> (now I'll have to wonder what bit of stupidity you found)
21:42:55 <fizzie> FreeFull: They're just sugar with green/black food dye.
21:43:03 <oerjan> b_jonas: oh it was something a-mazing hth
21:43:28 <b_jonas> yes
21:44:16 * oerjan might point out he isn't actually registered on the forum, he's just lurked there for years. (hi Taneb!)
21:44:31 <fizzie> (Or I think something having to do with oxidized copper in real life.)
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22:05:40 <FreeFull> fizzie: Actually, it's copper carbonate that's green
22:06:03 <FreeFull> Sometimes, copper chloride
22:06:23 <Vorpal> <fizzie> http://hs11.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1305764920260?ts=353 some people take this "gingerbread house" thing a bit further than others. <-- that is amazing
22:06:36 <FreeFull> Sulfide and sulfate too
22:06:36 <Taneb> oerjan, I've sort of wandered away from the forum :(
22:06:43 <Vorpal> <fizzie> (For the largest gingerbread house in terms of volume -- 39202 cubic feet.) <-- got a picture?
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22:21:14 <fizzie> Vorpal: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Guinness-certifies-world-s-largest-gingerbread-5028028.php is what I saw.
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22:30:07 <Taneb> I remember a logic puzzle with 5 cats that want to get outside but different combinations of them fight, and you have to find a way to get all of them outside without a fight
22:30:56 <Slereah> The answer is MEOW >:3
22:32:07 <Taneb> :(
22:32:24 <Taneb> I was wondering if anyone could remember the puzzle existing, and/or give me a link to it
22:34:20 <kmc> that's max clique isn't it
22:34:52 <shachaf> i like cats
22:35:16 <kmc> :3
22:48:43 <Taneb> What's a fun thing I can do with a server
22:49:17 <oerjan> play tennis
22:49:27 <shachaf> hugs
22:49:49 <quintopia> Taneb: irc, wobsite, stream music anywhere
22:49:53 <shachaf> what does "server" mean in this context
22:50:07 <Taneb> oerjan++
22:50:25 <Taneb> shachaf, it's a shell server running I think Arch
22:50:33 <quintopia> oerjan: is the server the ball or the racket
22:50:34 <shachaf> ok so not a program like a web server
22:50:49 <Taneb> quintopia, it's the player
22:51:05 <quintopia> Taneb: shhh. that's not helping me woefully misunderstand his terrible pun
22:51:05 <Taneb> shachaf, no
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22:52:40 <Taneb> At the moment it's hosting my esolangs page and I almost played nethack on it
22:52:53 <shachaf> play nethack on nethack.alt.org
22:53:06 <Taneb> I guess I could download XML dumps of the wiki
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22:55:03 <quintopia> run a tor bridge node
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23:03:52 <fizzie> Run a tor hidden service selling all kinds of salacious stuffs for bitcoins.
23:04:50 <quintopia> fizzie: like doge road? :P
23:05:07 <quintopia> (except that's for dogecoin, but same idea)
23:06:22 <fizzie> Any kind of road.
23:06:43 <Taneb> All roads lead to Rome
23:07:31 <Bike> they just called it 'doge road'? that's so boring.
23:07:46 <quintopia> what would you call it
23:07:58 <Taneb> "such paving"
23:08:01 <Bike> i don't know, i'm sure i could find a historical road associated with dogs
23:08:04 <fizzie> "Doge Road is coming very TOR such good prices much profit wow many weed" yes that is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.
23:09:53 <quintopia> 10:1 that guy gets arrested almost immediately. or its a scam.
23:10:25 <Bike> i like to think nobody will give a shit, as is right and proper
23:11:41 <fizzie> Heh, I didn't really know that the way to buy dogecoins (and other such) tend to be in bitcoins.
23:14:39 <quintopia> indeed
23:14:46 <quintopia> but you can get doge for free right now
23:14:49 <quintopia> people just give it away
23:18:07 <fizzie> Perhaps someone should design some sort of metacoin that's automatically changed to the next big cryptocurrency, so that people don't need to keep track.
23:18:51 <quintopia> they call those mutual funds or something like that.
23:21:02 <Bike> buggre all this for a larke coin
23:21:44 <quintopia> okokokokokok
23:22:02 <fizzie> okokoins are backed by oklopol.
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23:24:34 <Bike> anyone messes with okokoins, they get the ol one two! (gestures to scrawny mathematician arms) that's the Oklopol Guarantee (TM) (jingle)
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