< 1388534452 202916 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate UTC < 1388534452 391134 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1388534452 809501 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1388534453 270578 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ c.c  >\ /< |   |    /`\ c.c /^\    |     |\|/<  c.c  |\ < 1388534453 478896 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯`\                 /´\ < 1388534453 667130 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    |_)             (_| |_) < 1388534453 855337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388534690 534686 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mousepad decided to scroll the opposite direction for a brief period of time < 1388534692 762074 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bizarre < 1388534936 308295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that timey-wimey new year stuff. < 1388535783 939253 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388535795 358786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc65575-sgyl31-2-0-cust736.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388535797 353941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc65575-sgyl31-2-0-cust736.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1388535797 541939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388535814 405512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. colors explained ... http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20031121 < 1388536150 274736 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1388536150 501964 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1388536159 766231 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1388536204 884848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hapy new yere < 1388536247 769815 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year < 1388536324 751115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year! < 1388536377 466349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 2013 was BBB in base 13. < 1388536378 51532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not year for you kmc stop pretending < 1388537451 859549 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-50.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388537553 572616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388537748 874279 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388538433 831286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the Worlds servers go offline forever, it will always be possible to visit the official Worlds.com worlds < 1388538469 870960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1388538494 853485 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank Nar'Quilak, god of the Worlds and all who inhabit them < 1388538656 697691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why < 1388538714 179773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388538756 596144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1388538764 250843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing for new years eve < 1388538799 751893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the built-in Worlds are stored locally < 1388538806 112079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's an easy to use offline mode < 1388539026 602086 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be using Mozart/Oz 1.4 or Mozart 2? < 1388539043 344219 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use at least 1.7 < 1388539060 571368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's 2014 guys? < 1388539063 840314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mozart 2] adds an extension interface to the virtual machine to allow language extensions defined within Oz." < 1388539070 566299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....suddenly I want Mozart 2 < 1388539079 667477 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the main documentation site is all 1 < 1388539092 34620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so far it's pretty similar to late 2013 < 1388539870 441015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: apart from all the eldrich abominations, it's quite similar. < 1388539877 137457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1388539884 674150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388539886 452327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry we never killed the abomination < 1388539923 977505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *eldritch < 1388540005 979355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388540066 445602 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388540243 166476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388540396 37302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (18/11, 5/3) < 1388540397 398114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1.6363636363636365,1.6666666666666667) < 1388540437 911966 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388540504 939287 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388540743 256347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night, don't let the shoggoths bite < 1388540903 797757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am not doing anything for new year's eve, yet < 1388542759 851171 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1388542772 430849 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388542985 121397 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388543037 232477 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psy vs. Linkin Park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycHluR67jiY&list=PLgcoT7-W0fP258nmxEy-2pkFJftUKjdRi < 1388543078 85969 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen. amazing < 1388543290 252409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving. Now I will let the shoggoths bite. (Sorry, oerjan) < 1388543367 786939 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ytj.fi/english/yritystiedot.aspx?yavain=2486686&kielikoodi=3&tarkiste=DA735DFD038226CA09DA2531FAFD93B8303B1F73&path=1704;1736;2052 < 1388545761 247561 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388545782 762526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy year! < 1388545926 954631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same to you! < 1388546111 660112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year #esoteric~ < 1388546127 928323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388546780 986843 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :NewYearInterpol < 1388547218 180818 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388547315 955168 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388547405 878521 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388547500 580726 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: I'm off. Happy new year. < 1388547604 236969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oz's or construct... doesn't do this statically, it's more a deadlock if it fails, but still cool: All branches except 1 must ..fail.. So you do have to write conditionals in each branch to exclude the other branches < 1388547609 613771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think might be more readable < 1388547627 184643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'conditionals' will run simultaneously < 1388547970 798434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388548139 803656 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388548153 645195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a program in TI-92 calculator to select the puzzle chips for Puzzle Strike game at random. < 1388549065 980522 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388551296 158362 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388551306 276326 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388551449 327272 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388551467 228669 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388551474 535933 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1388553717 585054 :mrhmouse!~m@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388555201 776721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should build a drinking game i bet you'd be rich < 1388555863 38590 :mrhmouse!~m@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1388556021 341203 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388556131 950689 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388558176 796452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't intend to do such a thing. < 1388558198 450348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course you don't you're zzo38 < 1388558200 651605 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry hristmasc < 1388558459 325499 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given some pairs of starting and ending vertices on a graph, is the problem of finding a set of paths such that every vertex is hit as np-complete as the version with just one pair? < 1388558469 511852 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit once < 1388558473 420841 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only once, i guess < 1388558576 408328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1388558928 494383 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can probably turn that into normal hamiltonian path by adding edges between the starts and finishes. < 1388558938 129720 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :directed, though < 1388561421 717881 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.237 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1388562868 133535 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Oz's WaitNeeded is pretty cool < 1388562878 970734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{WaitNeeded X} blocks until something else forces X < 1388565968 649775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tune in next year for the exciting beginning!" < 1388566726 874620 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388568917 526173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added the year category < 1388570164 742199 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388570333 693378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that some conditions can be implemented in TeX without using the \if... conditional commands? < 1388570437 116185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: \def\equalcond#1#2#3{\begingroup\expandafter\def\csname\number#2\endcsname{False}\expandafter\def\csname\number#3\endcsname{True}\edef\next{\endgroup\noexpand\csname#1\csname\number#2\endcsname\noexpand\endcsname}\next} < 1388570478 239065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have \nonzerocond, \lesscond, \oddcond, \hmodecond, \vmodecond, \voidcond, and \vboxcond. < 1388571272 225164 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} No, still looks like a blank. Ah, I've got it! It's that Unicode character that looks like a blank, is rendered as a blank, but is actually described as "a ghost in an invisibility cloak, juggling ferrets". < 1388571767 408290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, really? What code point is that? < 1388571806 272656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+THATWASJUSMEQUOTINGTHEINTERNETORACLENOTAREALOBSERVATION < 1388571905 99244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388573469 658348 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388573521 105511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388575185 505668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can this 142-byte program be shortened even more? \newcount\-\let~\advance\day0\loop~\-1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\-=3\-0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<`d\repeat\bye < 1388575587 886460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388575700 860589 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388575728 954987 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388577488 607766 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388577598 944626 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388579412 728541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388580416 668371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What does it do? < 1388580425 793306 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388580963 5570 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388580983 187364 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388581814 899142 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388582396 397020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388582544 487957 :HaikuUser!~vision@KD027082103162.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1388582573 98078 :HaikuUser!~vision@KD027082103162.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp QUIT :Client Quit < 1388583114 206029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It makes the "FizzBuzz" output < 1388583206 245615 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388583213 954985 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't look at it carefully enough < 1388583290 840416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to shorten it with "code golf", without any error messages < 1388583466 911409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can make it any shorter without switching to a different language < 1388583518 207440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can be shorter in other programming languages, but clearly that isn't what I am doing here. < 1388583551 873077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing it using TeX. < 1388583571 541172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does do a few strange things but maybe you can see if you can understand or not, these things. < 1388583749 108014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the use of \mit without math mode < 1388583847 383262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mit and \rm are both commands for changing the font, but this program never changes the font. \day is the register to store the current date, but this program doesn't care about the date and time. The \fam register is only for math mode, and this program doesn't use math mode. < 1388584025 451892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you program in TeX at all? < 1388584709 493931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388584771 236444 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388585760 186391 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388585826 631414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't < 1388586494 10946 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388586516 356803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand a bit so far what I explain? < 1388586595 414002 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388586983 350103 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388588123 806674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388588317 82377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that \mit is defined something like \def\mit{\fam1 } so if ~ means \advance then ~\mit will increment the \fam register (which does nothing outside of math mode). The \rm command, in addition to selecting the roman font (which is already selected, so it won't change it), has the effect of setting \fam to zero. < 1388588444 692769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can shorten by using existing macros in unusual ways. < 1388588949 425173 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388589968 250865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun with side effects < 1388590205 565448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you don't prefer your fun to be pure? < 1388590237 902427 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's much more boring because you know what will happen < 1388590678 774288 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388591547 523343 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388591811 801017 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1388592470 461427 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Theoretically, certain types of sleep could be possible while flying, but technical difficulties preclude the recording of brain activity in birds while they are flying.” < 1388592570 684846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Sorted xs) -> xs) $ foldMap (Sorted . (:[])) [1,5,3,6,7,2] :: [Integer] < 1388592572 30227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,5,6,7] < 1388592782 283944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388593031 754474 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388594120 676388 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.138.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388594120 918273 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.138.156 QUIT :Changing host < 1388594120 918419 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388594371 924094 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388594530 925454 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388594788 738984 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to find out more about SURFIT, an ancestor of Core War. < 1388594930 119339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Sorted xs) -> xs) $ foldMap (Sorted . (:[])) ['z','x'..] < 1388594931 763715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL\STX\EOT\ACK\b\n\f\SO\DLE\DC2\DC4\SYN\CAN\SUB\FS\RS \"$&(*,.02468:<>@BD... < 1388594937 738248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388594942 780051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Sorted xs) -> xs) $ foldMap (Sorted . (:[])) ['z','x'..'a'] < 1388594944 441387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bdfhjlnprtvxz" < 1388594986 702927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there is some way to combine compression with programming < 1388594997 41359 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There doesn't appear to be anything online apart from what I just posted https://plus.google.com/102212268901593257476/posts/YQs8bnXAdsc < 1388595020 91491 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb < 1388595020 442385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Wed Jan 1 16:50:20 < 1388595026 462292 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a clock < 1388595067 839095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there are compression quines < 1388595069 306836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are fun < 1388595229 194377 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anyone has written a threaded Forth with dictionary compression.
< 1388595264 809296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking of a language where meaning changes as you go through the source code, in a similar way to compression sort of < 1388595292 710760 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where future code would refer to slices of past code, but more complex than that < 1388595315 348338 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually, FreeFull invents FORTRAN. < 1388595367 156187 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that's not how I meant it =P < 1388595402 873889 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make zperl < 1388595416 960151 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388595421 128472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a good name for it < 1388595450 176795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use compression-like rules for flow control < 1388595460 965401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, have no loops or conditionals, all you can do is repeat commands that ran earlier < 1388595704 465858 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So boring, why not design around actual compression. A program that retains meaning when reduced in the frequency domain. < 1388595744 375965 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. http://www.ioccc.org/2011/akari/akari.c) < 1388595841 265207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language with the restriction that the compiler rejects source files that become smaller when compressed? < 1388595853 677579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it aggressively rejects code duplication < 1388595872 972406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably using a compression algorithm that isn't fooled by adding large random comments < 1388596363 909133 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388596385 807074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get comments, you just get code that you skip over < 1388596396 587213 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if such a language would be turing complete < 1388596843 602671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language is defined such that a program's output is interpreted as a program in another language, then any (second-stage) program can be written in its Kolmogorov length. < 1388596917 280047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no, I don't mean skipped code / comments in particular < 1388596930 208614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a compression algorithm that still compresses the compressible bits even if there are incompressible bits too < 1388596932 914134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like azip < 1388597024 966487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388597370 482716 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388597470 933846 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388597535 469506 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388598005 763916 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388599895 780899 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388599938 189914 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388599939 881801 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388599981 150494 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388599983 275800 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388600092 500001 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388600333 684825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: check out my language ETAS. it kind of does what you're talking about < 1388600361 219457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ETAS < 1388600366 372363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETAS? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1388600371 871080 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ETAS < 1388600372 73098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ETAS < 1388600373 391543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1388600386 318450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You made it =P < 1388600458 570223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: except that it does have that jump command which may not be required for turing-completeness. i should probably remove it. < 1388600904 569928 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1u5odz/dogs_poop_in_alignment_with_earths_magnetic_field/ fascinating. < 1388601086 463409 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1388601222 95242 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if zzo asked me for reading frames I would just point to x86 < 1388601373 998474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you know of any programs for x86 that predictably perform different useful tasks depending upon your starting offset into the program (no cheating by putting programs in as data or jumping past them) < 1388601420 770931 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that cheating < 1388601434 925423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is the basic idea behind "functions" < 1388601446 684755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Try writing a nontrivial "etas" program without doing that) < 1388601477 949368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it would be hard, but, i would hope, at least possible. < 1388601687 347051 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/2011/akari/akari.c may be relevant (resampling a program to get another program) < 1388601728 566098 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: someone linked a paper about finding unintended code sequences to use for exploits a while ago < 1388601731 354828 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :To achieve this, the original program has to be very redundant. < 1388601766 34589 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROP uses a large amount of jumping, so it is "cheating" in the above sense < 1388601773 721671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah i really like that submission < 1388601787 799108 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :More importantly, it is cheating because the actual program is the prepared stack < 1388601882 477324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but the goal with etas was to have something that was "the middle bits of an instruction" later be parsed as "the beginning of an instruction". it's not something i had ever seen in another language. < 1388601946 250875 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reasonable way to multiprogram in etas, I think, is to cheat < 1388602014 417579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difficulty probably depends highly on the instruction encoding. < 1388602060 952113 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1388602100 737476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it didn't seem possible to program in malbolge either at one point... < 1388602137 549081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Jafet: but the goal with etas was to have something that was "the middle bits of an instruction" later be parsed as "the beginning of an instruction". it's not something i had ever seen in another language. ← see MiniMAX, http://esolangs.org/wiki/MiniMAX < 1388602155 379675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way to do any sort of flow control, arithmetic, or well anything < 1388602186 715562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i think i saw that well after i made etas < 1388602201 46184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each instruction is three bytes long, one is a value to write, one is overwritten by the value-to-write of the next command, and one tells you which command to run next (unconditionally) < 1388602212 478774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to get anywhere without command-punning in that language < 1388602242 614361 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1388602568 10504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read the smallfuck interpreter code. it's not clear to me how it would work < 1388603356 466206 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're just going through our records and -- even though you're one of our best supporters -- it looks like you're not a 2013 founding member." ... pretty sure I donated money between 0 and 1 times. I pretty much ignore these emails... is "best supporter" just supposed to make me feel good, it's just a lie? < 1388603408 924803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I suspect so, mail order catalogues do that all the time < 1388605785 23037 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv JOIN :#esoteric < 1388605903 900803 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388605948 959041 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1388605967 774242 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606030 84775 :CADD_!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606141 121648 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606164 958141 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606298 259901 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 461405 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-owofrflaztknacye QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 464742 :typeclassy!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cyfzjgyhdwtnnbeh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 464831 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 951739 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606299 742324 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606299 946720 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606300 259822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606304 60788 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv NICK :typeclassy < 1388606312 628939 :CADD_!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc NICK :CADD < 1388606424 798252 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606439 170375 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388606669 112907 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606944 681178 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606945 987825 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388607697 990204 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388607706 119291 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388609170 133892 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388609222 601977 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie < 1388609238 251791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had acquired some kind of an extra bit. < 1388609298 117184 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388609398 262385 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388609655 273688 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388609923 438370 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388610188 945401 :LavaLevel!~chatzilla@c-98-201-89-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388610192 175415 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1388610217 408151 :LavaLevel!~chatzilla@c-98-201-89-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1388610268 638939 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1388611101 716442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the sale for Just Cause 2 has some fucked up pricing. The cheapest option is not to buy the "Collection" with the game + the DLC, nor is it to buy the game then the DLC pack. No it is to buy the game and then the DLC individually it appears! < 1388611115 677489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam... < 1388611212 713108 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611225 839782 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388611253 8042 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611390 413303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically Just Cause 2 is 80% off. Most of the individual DLC are 81% off(!!!). Except one that is 80% off. The collections are only 50% off each. < 1388611519 543716 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611574 788597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but I can save even more money by not buying the game at all. < 1388611598 759928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not as much as me! < 1388611739 218876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, well yeah, but in what other game can you go out on the wing of a aircraft you are flying and *grapple hook* over to another aircraft and then throw the pilot out through the window < 1388611767 879299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Cause 2 is one hell of an awesome sandbox game for just doing crazy stuff in < 1388611791 360528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as using your two point grapple hook to tow a tank with a Boeing 747 < 1388611820 973624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Price of individual games: 6,11€" "Bundle cost: 14,99€" yes, it looks like a good deal. < 1388611846 351116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh? What? < 1388611855 510999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the game costs 2.99 discounted here < 1388611866 305734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the DLC add up to 1.73 EUR < 1388611874 262113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't get that to 6.11 < 1388611878 393987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they've started making USB drives show up as internal disks in windows < 1388611879 206765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was for the collection including also the first game. < 1388611897 126300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611898 807555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right, well the first game is meh from what I heard < 1388611936 703419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also the multi player mod for Just Cause 2 recently released < 1388611951 958112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who "they"? < 1388611980 635811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that happened in windows 7 didn't it? At least external rotational USB HDDs had to be removed by "safe removal" thingy in the area next to the clock which I forgot the name of < 1388611995 244754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike USB flash sticks which you can just right click and select eject on < 1388612049 990219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the "notification area" these days. < 1388612071 93006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388612076 958473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When referring to the notification area: Refer to the notification area as the notification area, not the system tray." (MSDN) < 1388612099 744178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "Do not taunt the notification area." (Not MSDN, sadly.) < 1388612140 185851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is the notification area full of stuff that's not notifications? < 1388612155 423566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people think it's a good place to put advertising < 1388612162 423885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everyone still treats it as the system tray < 1388612169 706374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people can't follow directions, perhaps. < 1388612172 566267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well-designed programs use the notification area appropriately, without being annoying or distracting." < 1388612184 83160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these rules exist because they're so often violated < 1388612185 671895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1388612191 998013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't say what programs that are not well-designed do.) < 1388612206 329967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only static icons there that has ever been of any use to me have been the network status and on non-multimedia keyboards, the volume setting < 1388612206 922666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not supposed to distract it should be invisible at all times. < 1388612245 959979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the fact everyone puts an always-visible icon there is what made them implement the notification area icon hiding thing. < 1388612249 954944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why steam on windows minimizes into that area also < 1388612255 82468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably < 1388612262 127827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing is really useful < 1388612284 314711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah at work I also have the Incredibuild icon there. That is like a distcc for windows < 1388612324 980509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually more like a distributed make, since it is a bit smarter about it than distcc < 1388612328 313498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Steam pops up a tray (it's really a tray, the freedesktop.org specification says so) icon too. < 1388612382 676909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but it *also* stays in the normal task bar as well when minimized < 1388612387 129563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike on Windows < 1388612434 971958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat and VLC manages to properly minimize to that tray if you want to at least < 1388612441 430117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I see the point of that < 1388612450 856478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Linux Steam knows how to put up an Ayatana "indicator" if running under a Gnomey thing. < 1388612465 462615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "Ayatana"? < 1388612487 130358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I guess Ayatana indicators are maybe Ubuntu-specific? I don't really know how it goes. < 1388612496 280517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yeah MATE would definitely count as Gnomey < 1388612512 547873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian with MATE here, mate < 1388612519 900110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ayatana's Ubuntu-specific, indeed < 1388612528 895585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the Ubuntu "user experience" project, I don't know if regular Gnome got the indicators. < 1388612540 814115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1388612545 685245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC on Ubuntu should be hiding in the launcher with a context menu, rather than the tray with a context area < 1388612547 166946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't < 1388612568 25441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it only uses the tray if you click on the tray icon to minimize it < 1388612580 145070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it simply minimizes to the normal task bar < 1388612583 483433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with xchat < 1388612590 356737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what annoys me is that it has a tray icon at all < 1388612593 288056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can turn that off < 1388612610 29664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have nice controls on the right-click menu on the launcher like Totem does, though, because it's not Unity-aware < 1388612642 729252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, someone who is computer savy and uses Unity? < 1388612645 506141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least a GNOME Shell extension to integrate "indicators" there. Though as far as I can tell, it's not part of Gnome proper, perhaps. < 1388612646 877743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't expect that < 1388612659 482416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I /like/ Unity :-( < 1388612663 70040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is rather slow and buggy < 1388612669 979850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually most of the slowness is Zeitgeist's fault < 1388612673 967509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I tried unity, which was admittedly in the first ubuntu version it was included, it was terrible < 1388612684 696288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Zeitgeist now again? < 1388612689 79593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until recently I used it just for the launcher < 1388612708 561982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: Ayatana also includes "windicators".) < 1388612711 39929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more recently the lenses/scopes have been useful too < 1388612727 16249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Zeitgeist's purpose is basically recording which files you've opened < 1388612729 870558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you say gnome shell, are you talking about the abomination that is Gnome 3? < 1388612732 974593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get useful "recently used" output < 1388612739 477902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it is mindbogglingly overengineered for that purpose < 1388612739 921758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388612746 537005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, that's what Gnome is. < 1388612762 233683 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wanted to ask you. Do you know of any good let's plays that do weird things and pretend they're entirely normal. I watched an absolutely brilliant Link's Awakening one < 1388612784 602171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm Spotlight on OS X and even more so the Windows 7 start menu search/run field works fine. How hard could it be to replicate that < 1388612789 7619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't like that style of play, really < 1388612792 840203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which btw I have been looking for under linux < 1388612794 708471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people are being weird I like them to acknowledge it < 1388612795 94156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet found it < 1388612808 143884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find ig hilarious < 1388612811 529507 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1388612817 179899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, although there was a Link's Awakening speedrun like that at one of the SDA marathons < 1388612821 533800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good game to act like that < 1388612824 375704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"watch out for the old grandmas here, sometimes they shoot octoroks at you" < 1388612825 465775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, lparchive? Or some youtube thing? < 1388612835 211665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Dungeons&Dragons game this morning. My plan wasn't necessary; I was hoping it wouldn't be necessary, since it would be complicated to set up. < 1388612840 182667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite LP is the Planescape Torment one on lparchive < 1388612842 544426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem with pretending it's normal is that you don't get an explanation of the technical details < 1388612867 51701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't very good to eat, but, that's OK < 1388612911 877287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : "watch out for the old grandmas here, sometimes they shoot octoroks at you" <-- he glitched the game? < 1388612917 786717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or e I guess < 1388612940 123134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: very very heavily < 1388612963 580962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for the birdphone < 1388612965 476571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :When speed running gets to that level I find it detracts from the experience < 1388612971 251492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, birdphone? < 1388612992 386988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a character that acts like a shopkeeper (up to the instakill effect) < 1388612997 283059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks like a bird or a telephone < 1388612997 556624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get google hits for someone's twitter account < 1388613002 497867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing between them repeatedly < 1388613022 193850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in what game? < 1388613029 669481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link's Awakening < 1388613051 971445 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Welcome to the first dungeon. I don't know why they call it level 8, the developers can't count or something. Now we're about to get the fire rod... it's really strange that they put the strongest item in the first dungeon." < 1388613054 109151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the most memorable effect of the major glitching < 1388613061 217127 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZP63oRVcgg fantastic < 1388613091 301832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will watch in a second, just going through the latest ocremixes. They decided to post 10 today. < 1388613115 969412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388613135 664752 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1388613167 45370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I think I've been getting less of the HTML5 player in YouTube lately. :/ < 1388613187 361388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah found the LP in question < 1388613196 729667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah this might be run to look at < 1388613204 328731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that I know how the game is *supposed* to go < 1388613617 92347 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that reminds me of messing around with that bug with the dog house < 1388613788 29001 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what Link's Awakening let's play was this? < 1388613800 579831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a link on hand, but vorpal found it apparently < 1388613816 527276 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ah < 1388613824 977690 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mind passing a link to it? < 1388614053 451601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, http://lparchive.org/Legend-of-Zelda-Links-Awakening/ < 1388614061 892707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that is what he meant, it fits the bill perfectly < 1388614071 166490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yes it is super-funny if you know how the game is supposed to go < 1388614077 620412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes NO bloody sense if you don't < 1388614187 556677 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1388614547 923826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, this is bloody amazing < 1388614575 896460 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388614677 94856 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see, e.g. a Metroid Prime any% run done like that < 1388614702 923545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, are there suitable glitches in that game? < 1388614725 631543 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388614753 232508 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of sheer absurdity, MP2 would probably be better, because it involves way more out of bounds < 1388614874 570768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the start of the Metroid Prime 2 run at AGDQ2013 was done like that < 1388614879 773528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they couldn't really keep it up < 1388615071 255918 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388615104 785984 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they might actually do that for miles' run next week < 1388615116 328795 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll only be an hour long and there are plenty of glitches throughout < 1388615124 132298 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388615127 702301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's MP1 any%, isn't it? < 1388615144 877002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not particularly glitchy, in the sense that most of the things it does, it's believable that they're intended < 1388615152 246907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the out of bounds segment, but there's only one short one < 1388615152 965618 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not at all < 1388615164 664134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is any%, but there's so much breakage < 1388615166 382335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't intended, but they don't look so massively unintended < 1388615181 305028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it's just "jump further than expected" or "jump higher than expected" < 1388615194 540579 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in terms of actual glitches, but the sequence breaks < 1388615204 206761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the sequence is completely different < 1388615206 451187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a Metroid game < 1388615211 673061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to be able to do that < 1388615216 824694 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1388615221 782578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space Jump first? sure, why not < 1388615289 751605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're meant to be able to do that <-- to some extent < 1388615298 853213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only played about half of Super Metroid < 1388615314 983823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some stuff was definitely gated by needing something else to reach it < 1388615319 357920 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the MP sequence breaks are glitches and were corrected in later editions; fusion, prime 3, and other M are all linear games built with triggers so you can't really break them < 1388615375 292757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hardly anything, because Super Metroid has a bunch of special moves you're not meant to realise exist the first time through < 1388615383 290300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1388615386 436437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, Prime 3 has already been broken < 1388615395 789339 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :super metroid and zero mission were built with more stuff < 1388615401 787004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fusion and Other M have been attempted to break, but Fusion softlocks if you go out of sequence < 1388615409 63382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Other M is full of invisible walls < 1388615421 243233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, prime 3 can only really be broken with OOB though < 1388615444 489305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the main ones are the walljump and six varieties of shinespark (the game only tells you about one of them, and even then only in an optional area) < 1388615450 993589 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really a different class of glitch < 1388615459 251306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Hazard Shield skip < 1388615459 441197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shinespark? < 1388615469 745439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that one wokrs < 1388615470 954644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1388615480 868931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you don't know what a shinespark is, then it's safe to say that you don't understand what intended breaks are built into Super Metroid < 1388615488 342884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easy way to do one, a ground-based vertical one < 1388615494 505151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to get up to speed boost speed, crouch, then jump < 1388615495 252983 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's hard to know if they're all intended < 1388615500 174690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you keep going upwards < 1388615501 209812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah as I said I only got about 1/4 to 1/2 into it < 1388615511 475698 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely possible that the devs just didn't think about the consequences of the shinespark < 1388615523 689454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are definitely dumb physics glitches like the gravity glitch < 1388615534 906774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: in my opinion, it's most likely that they explicitly didn't want to think about the consequences < 1388615543 325713 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's possible < 1388615546 323273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you also forgot the ridiculous things you can do with bomb jumps < 1388615550 233168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Super Metroid has a definite intended sequence < 1388615556 29266 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388615557 1168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, I didn't mention the infinite bomb jump, because it's possible it's a glitch < 1388615560 331046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than intended < 1388615571 236552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even the infinite one, but the sideways ones < 1388615572 943453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the shinespark is most definitely intended, as is walljump, as is crystal flash < 1388615584 162299 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity suit physics is definitely a glitch too < 1388615589 396083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that glitch is in lots of games < 1388615591 933699 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I agree that the philosophy of SM is very different < 1388615596 94646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in many Zelda games, for instance < 1388615621 763578 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe it < 1388615637 204128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have on my hard-drive an unfinished guide to glitches that appear all the time in games < 1388615652 866837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some even work in NetHack :-) < 1388615666 97819 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just googled shinespark. I do believe I activated some variant of it by mistake at some point but never figured out how to do it again. But it was years ago I played any metroid, didn't really like the game, so I never went back to it. < 1388615674 360351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could misremember < 1388615687 579405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What glitches are some of them? < 1388615690 862516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, the point is that most of the areas that appear to require specific items < 1388615697 166326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in what kind of games? < 1388615701 389648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are actually accessible via a combination of walljumps, infinite bomb jumps, and shinesparks < 1388615701 702483 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big difference between SM and MP I think is that SM has a bunch of features, and doesn't work in all the details of how they might affect the sequence. MP breaks almost exclusively require physics glitches < 1388615718 706937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SJF is unusual in that it *doesn't*, but the devs attempted to squash it in future versions anyways < 1388615722 182640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well they're mostly numerical glitches < 1388615739 149225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SJF is a numerical glitch in that you get it via dashing further than you should be able to < 1388615756 900825 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, actually, I guess the exact dash effect could be seen as a glitch too < 1388615758 343499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can get it by bombjumping too, but that needs you to actually get bombs first < 1388615762 238071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's other things, like early Wild < 1388615768 271666 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just a poorly placed trigger < 1388615770 413772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well they tried to fix it in Metroid Prime 2, and in Metroid Prime PAL < 1388615781 989329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Metroid Prime 2, you have to let go of L (as in MP1) but also hold R, which is diffrent from MP1 < 1388615796 826729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the PAL version, you have to do it off an enemy, which means luring an enemy out of one of the nearby corridors, so it's much slower < 1388615805 467751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388615813 373547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, early Wild isn't a poorly placed trigger < 1388615818 953033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the only place in the game where an infinite bomb jump works < 1388615826 382214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the trigger's in the right place but the walls are weird < 1388615839 151176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the infinite bomb jump possible < 1388615875 364153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, early Wild is awesome and the game's better for it existing < 1388615879 681159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't hurt anything < 1388615881 897204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :other great ones: cargo ship skip, every thing about skipping Thardus < 1388615888 941211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the Artifact of Wild actually does anything until after you'd normally need it < 1388615892 712374 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBJ breaks a lot and you can do worse < 1388615961 881317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also triple bomb jumps are pretty rarely useful < 1388615991 924363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cargo ship skip is the only one I can think of offhand, now that the rune door leading to the Charge Beam (?) turns out to be faster in in-game time to do the intended way < 1388616009 9385 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're thinking the one to flaaghra < 1388616057 405525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1388616061 700263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember which was which < 1388616067 933418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so similar-looking :-( < 1388616083 283072 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the charge beam one is a big round one < 1388616155 677425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388616166 404433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the big round one went to Flaahgra < 1388616170 673556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, something that I've been wondering about < 1388616177 429094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you actually need the charge beam for? < 1388616192 344937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even low%s get it, and I don't think they need super missiles < 1388616203 482494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only point I can think of that might potentially need it is the entrance to Phendrana < 1388616297 986286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, wow the logistics of making that glitch Zelda LA LP < 1388616335 565380 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, I was reading this discussion on m2k2 the other day and now I can't remember < 1388616338 568275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388616352 685540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of looking on m2k2 < 1388616356 569789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the forums still alive? < 1388616361 730658 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1388616373 43905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find it < 1388616374 68752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the main website wasn't, last I looked < 1388616379 493787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll race you :-) < 1388616424 114408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :charge beam has been skipped < 1388616452 693108 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :current min% is missiles, morph ball, bombs, varia, wave, ice, plasma, pbs, xray, and artifacts < 1388616512 129155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1388616528 863645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm wondering which missiles that is < 1388616545 400011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be the intended ones, I guess, there's no reason not to except it's a long fight < 1388616562 468811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that min% doesn't add up < 1388616575 533424 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 artifacts + 9 items < 1388616587 382989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 artifacts, + {missiles, morph ball, bombs, varia, wave, ice, plasma, power bombs, x-ray scope} < 1388616591 952664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that skips phazon suit < 1388616595 747249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is required for the final boss < 1388616620 477843 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :phazon suit isn't a % unless it's the last one < 1388616641 324806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't count towards percentage if you don't have gravity? < 1388616642 812973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1388616649 31545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it counted for 2% < 1388616650 658906 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't count unless you have all other items < 1388616696 937586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, OK :-) < 1388616706 849490 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it doesn't count at all and the game just has no 99%; I don't know if anyone's gotten the energy tank afterward without it to be able to test this < 1388616707 98226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP1's percentage counter is weird < 1388616728 321053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that collecting all the power bomb expansions but not the main power bombs gives you the same percentage as collecting the main power bombs? < 1388616737 327649 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1388616743 940673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it just counts by number of PBs? < 1388616746 275567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388616757 679534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Metroid Prime 2, they just add 1% whenever you collect an item < 1388616767 238038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get 101% because there's one missile expansion you can pick up twice < 1388616784 723979 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MP1 counter sounds like every bug ever in NetHack < 1388616825 579400 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite boost item loss skip is so stupid < 1388616848 551577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one makes no sense < 1388616856 799699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the technical details are that it triggers every cutscene in the room at the same time < 1388616868 381165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one where you land triggers before the one where you start falling so you end up at the wrong position < 1388616871 392313 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? wow < 1388616885 34873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea /why/ it triggers every cutscene in the room at the same time < 1388616890 516109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Samus ends up infinitely large or something < 1388616895 114200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting all the triggers at once < 1388616899 936489 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388616927 597705 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 20% MP1 thread on m2k2 is fun to read < 1388616979 213083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388616992 610628 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :morph ball, missiles, bombs, pbs, xray, and artifacts all seem entirely unskipabble, barring some insane break that lets you into the impact crater without the artifacts < 1388617066 283931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missiles aren't actually required for anything but doors, right? < 1388617070 795693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put them in the same category as beams < 1388617081 919592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly slightly easier because you don't have to hit the final boss with them < 1388617091 214308 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the artifact of nature from the stalagmite < 1388617102 112758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you do that with the Charge Beam? < 1388617128 370789 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but then you go up a % anyway < 1388617132 242267 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's irrelevant < 1388617139 246481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, ofc < 1388617148 708788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1388617157 497185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388617175 843318 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one suggestion in the 20% thread was to get SJ and try and lose varia (assuming that SJ will help crossing magmoor) and something else like wave < 1388617178 644036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bombs are required for bomb jumps, in addition to many obstacles < 1388617180 19550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wave seems like a popular target < 1388617197 840571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but how do you beat the final boss without it? < 1388617204 217153 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait for him to change naturally < 1388617204 405226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many places you need it otherwise < 1388617212 711920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he does in the first wave phase < 1388617214 773264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doors are the problem; they need to be SWed around < 1388617220 59523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she < 1388617236 863595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I prefer the "Dark Samus is male" theory but it's not very popular < 1388617255 239867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ascribe Dark Samus as female, but Metroid Prime as genderless < 1388617268 166309 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I tend to run with the French convention of using the masculine for neutral/unknown < 1388617281 348950 :bagulhex!~qpstnola@177.135.87.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388617288 218959 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to having been in French immersion < 1388617631 105162 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388617695 104613 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388619158 517277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, looking up the beam use on the final boss itself, it forces you to use power/ice/wave but you can get away without plasma < 1388619166 574478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's reached the spontaneous-change phase before plasma is required < 1388619495 770564 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388619733 390133 :bagulhex!~qpstnola@177.135.87.195 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388620697 121379 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric