< 1388707202 42559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I seem to remember that open source game where you guide a black ball around a maze having a level based on brainfuck < 1388707258 234132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember the name of the game < 1388707258 849759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robozzle is also kind of like an esolang, but it's not exactly a "mainstream" game. < 1388707260 314233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-something < 1388707301 490917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :robozzle <3 < 1388707308 67212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actual fuck myname? < 1388707313 59738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i especially like that there is an android port < 1388707330 724067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm just not used to zzo yet < 1388707349 206464 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzoh < 1388707374 224208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Enigma < 1388707379 34194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://enigma-game.org < 1388707381 60378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up a similar game to Robozzle too but there isn't enough levels yet < 1388707397 30075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've developed levels for it, that are actually in the official released versions (not just modding) < 1388707402 926638 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: define "similar" < 1388707404 29573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the most infamous one is a backwards Sokoban < 1388707414 397830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you're given an empty room where you can build walls and place boxes < 1388707419 733981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the level solves it and then tells you it was too easy < 1388707430 859929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388707434 117285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, if it's impossible, makes you go solve it yourself (you can't) < 1388707435 720170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes < 1388707465 649032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Android port of SpaceChem too, sadly not automatically available if you have the computer version. (Didn't really do the "post-game" content, might on the tablet.) < 1388707493 377940 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't much good at SpaceChem < 1388707530 658483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was barely good enough to get through it. < 1388707549 204459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You have set of commands available (which can differ per level), and rows of programming you can fill in, and have to catch all of the diamonds before the program stops. There can be diamonds in places where there is no floor; you can step there safely but then cannot step there a second time unless the hole is filled in. If there is a "$" then you must catch that one last, otherwise you lose. < 1388707555 71335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it pretty boring, so I didn't play more than maybe two worlds of it < 1388707567 238991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point at least it wasn't really hard. < 1388707574 918422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It quite resembles an arbitrarily constrained Befunge, though. < 1388707579 631085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found it monotonous < 1388707597 195625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i stumbled upon a game based on an esolang recently < 1388707602 654097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, and I suspect it isn't TC? < 1388707608 870595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Does this description explain it? < 1388707615 730647 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: kind of < 1388707636 130133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like a slightly modified robozzle < 1388707652 341219 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be more interesting commands available! < 1388707659 330127 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming games in general are a bit awkward < 1388707667 713531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, although the engine is entirely rewritten, in QBASIC. < 1388707673 656874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: tbh, i don't like most of them < 1388707679 340605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more commands can be added if you have an idea what to add! < 1388707681 106527 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like the idea < 1388707681 778118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm pretty sure it has finite state, yes. < 1388707683 584370 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1388707691 141833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1388707716 216975 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have those production line things though, you could extend them to be infinite queus < 1388707720 929280 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*queueus < 1388707725 479523 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*queues? < 1388707733 79629 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why qbasic? i used that when i was like 12 years old < 1388707737 547515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quuus. < 1388707753 978466 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qs < 1388707756 332316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should figure out how to wrap up my "x86 is turing complete with no registers" post < 1388707777 15879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's true. They have a finite maximum capacity as implemented, though. < 1388707783 113147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, huh? It is? < 1388707785 636648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1388707792 288907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wait and read the article < 1388707792 915350 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love something like an ncurses game engine for android < 1388707794 24052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I write in a computer that is the only compiler, the QBASIC compiler. Also, QBASIC is not bad for writing these kind of computer games actually. < 1388707800 63453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has finite storage though, but so does x86 itself, or C < 1388707804 140512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, With infinite ram I assume, but there is not an infinite address space < 1388707825 684299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, then it really isn't TC. And nor is C indeed < 1388707829 877239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388707839 980613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :justifying this is the last part of the article I need to write < 1388707857 467359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justifying a false claim? < 1388707872 766744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just call it something else, perhaps. < 1388707874 353485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that comonads are just cofree comonad comonad comonad coalgebras < 1388707876 155760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because something is false doesn't make it unjustifiable < 1388707881 688351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :justifying that a brainfuck implementation with a fixed sized tape meets the informal definition of "turing complete" that programmers use < 1388707888 812130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Anyway, I would say that proving it is a bounded storage machine without registers is pretty cool too < 1388707895 383192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can come up with plenty of plausible reasons why something was likely to happen, even if it didn't < 1388707899 50726 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388707911 326198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean e.g. there's a famous paper titled "mov is Turing-complete" about x86 with the mov instruction, and this would seem to have the same issue < 1388707916 376110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only the mov instruction, i mean :) < 1388707929 173792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a jump!! < 1388707933 177312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1388707938 100308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have one unconditional jump < 1388707941 698545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov and jmp heh < 1388707945 76907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just cycle round the entirety of memory? < 1388707949 10767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov, really? < 1388707951 43061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you keep going long enough < 1388707959 226349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmov yes, but mov? Wow < 1388707963 974187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll end up activating the A20 line trying to decode the next address < 1388707967 156518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, read the paper < 1388707968 423382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess you could activate it with mov too < 1388707968 843686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, x86 mov is quite versatile < 1388707972 692574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could reboot the system < 1388707975 946548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, only in real mode surely? < 1388707984 898962 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziyzowojbmgofdhq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388707990 730238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shouldn't happen in protected or long mode < 1388707992 449273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the next question is, is lea Turing complete? < 1388707993 175629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't like how the mov+jmp one "halts" with an invalid memory access. < 1388707997 272751 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzjxnxprqwfbssvt QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388708004 744253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I learned from 8086 manuals < 1388708013 259549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lea can't access memory can it? < 1388708016 919233 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there one that uses page-fault errors? < 1388708018 177684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kiiind of outdated these days < 1388708024 29979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388708024 218334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally, I got a book out of the library that covered mostly DOS 1 and DOS 2 < 1388708026 315100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that reboot the system? < 1388708027 746926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some mentiones of DOS 3 < 1388708032 341551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, computing using only the MMU as it handles a never-ending double fault < 1388708046 727793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/Fahrplan/events/5265.en.html < 1388708049 170674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it was an awful hack, basically they needed a way to restart the processor to be able to get back into real mode < 1388708068 26306 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1388708070 617886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they connected one of the address lines to the keyboard controller, which was connected in turn to the reset input of the processor < 1388708093 289562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the keyboard controller did that. the a20 line is a hack to make the system actually wrap around memory above 1MB, to be 8086 compatible. < 1388708104 783062 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpdspdhvvkyizjfh JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708105 786453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's not for rebooting < 1388708116 241769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I remember looking in an old computer book, that said that the newly released Pentium series was mostly for high end workstations and would never have a mass market appeal < 1388708119 661846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I suddenly realised I was muddling two things together < 1388708120 41861 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oipvsothjfuihilt JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708136 769041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it might have been a magazine, not 100% sure < 1388708161 72968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a thing where Windows would trigger a triple fault to reset the CPU because it was the fastest way to get back to real mode < 1388708173 682132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right :) < 1388708178 720442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because it less insane than asking the keyboard controller, also a lot faster < 1388708180 249520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reset the CPU without clearing memory or other platform state < 1388708203 472798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux still uses triple faults as a last-ditch attempt to reboot < 1388708206 879052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388708210 31011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it causes via setting the interrupt vector size to 0 < 1388708218 107632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388708220 59283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only does that if the CPU's still running after all other attempts have failed < 1388708223 853971 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388708227 822085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: https://twitter.com/horse_unix/status/407426257010163712 < 1388708236 102101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that awkward bit of a program that comes just after you tried to run exec < 1388708240 280134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://kevan.org/rubicon/ < 1388708247 335089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1388708251 213851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: still waiting for zzo38_ebooks :'( < 1388708251 445880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A20 line enable/disable did go through the keyboard controller too, though. < 1388708266 423531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, maybe that's what confused me < 1388708280 350702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, one of the platforms I'm used to is PIC microcontrollers < 1388708287 934955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which series? < 1388708289 47302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people do things like connecting GPIO pins to the reset line all the time on that platform < 1388708289 593344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that backwards sokoban a real thing? google turns up people playing sokoban in reverse (pulling boxes), so it seems hard to find. < 1388708296 301137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, yeah < 1388708304 427457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I learned on the 16F series, but I used others too < 1388708304 838737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't know why I didn't think of Rubicon. < 1388708306 812511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know. < 1388708310 343526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I coded a bit for PIC12F. It was terribly limited < 1388708312 152555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy frick, I woke up again! Ha ha looks like those fuckers owe me five bucks" < 1388708318 92476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 12F is mindbogglingly limited < 1388708327 378331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still fun < 1388708332 387255 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would really appreciate an android port of it < 1388708337 6604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, If I have to do that level of embedded programming I prefer a decent AVR instead < 1388708345 314088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the hack where you use a microcontroller to run the boost converter for its own power supply < 1388708351 137949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I should be asking you that question. < 1388708356 190563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really I avoid that low level coding these days. ARM with some GPIO yay < 1388708357 773595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you have eight pins on the controller, and you can gain control over six of them somehow < 1388708359 547573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to press a button rapidly to get it to boot < 1388708362 844023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like starting a lawnmower < 1388708372 946181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, download Enigma and search for "Nabokos" < 1388708376 326442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I coded for one with 8 yes, two were for power, leaving 6 indeed < 1388708396 67368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is very difficult, though < 1388708411 542228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an easy mode that's a little easier < 1388708425 26620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the easy mode has two fundamentally distinct solutions, but I've entirely forgotten one of them < 1388708426 732994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which one is "Nabokos"? < 1388708437 158916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a search button on the level pack screen < 1388708441 693191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't even have enigma installed atm < 1388708442 32481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can search in there < 1388708451 352965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just search for "Alex Smith" for all of mine < 1388708462 413779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I'm on an android device with an external bluetooth keyboard < 1388708475 238993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's the reverse Sokoban level < 1388708483 746070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it makes you give it a Sokoban, then it solves it < 1388708485 60417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, don't think I played that < 1388708491 461419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you win the level if it's sufficiently difficult < 1388708495 892712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1388708500 556059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds painful < 1388708507 520822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fun. < 1388708508 428596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the kind of level I would enjoy < 1388708545 968897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possibly the second hardest of mine < 1388708560 818253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hardest is "Choices, choices ...", complete with spaces before sentence-ending punctuation marks) < 1388708570 747520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the spaces? < 1388708578 347731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason I'm missing out on < 1388708582 793025 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388708603 899267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what is the choices one about < 1388708615 359734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the spaces have become a #esoteric/Enigma in-joke < 1388708621 840396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma has different floors ! < 1388708631 89642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: that line never actually appeared in the original < 1388708632 582300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1388708644 138758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because whenever you end a sentence with any punctuation mark other than a full stop < 1388708650 898579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some enterprising developer will go and add a space before it < 1388708654 882868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1388708667 547390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but it's become quite the joke at this point < 1388708679 282496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you don't get the point of it either < 1388708680 674066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1388708687 939672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are many levels in Enigma that contain loads and loads of different puzzles and are really long < 1388708696 130330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1388708700 765965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is three points to it by my count. < 1388708701 428392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that tend to get really high ratings for no obvious reason, and are often #100 in a level pack < 1388708710 978261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I found the quality of the levels varied considerably < 1388708711 991977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axiom schema of sokocan is when all cells (ignoring walls) are either a player, empty, or box-on-target. < 1388708727 552530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided that even though I hate that style of level, I'd try to make one, and try to make it good < 1388708746 35700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the puzzles that you can fail via dexterity mistakes are front-loaded, and there's an easy mode that lets you do them out of order < 1388708751 468337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a framing puzzle around them all < 1388708759 607549 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708767 285255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that each of the puzzles has two solutions, and only one of them will allow you to complete the level as a whole < 1388708771 758525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the level also has perfect information < 1388708779 648479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any time, you can switch to the white ball and use it to move the camera around < 1388708787 921483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388708798 341532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds quite annoying < 1388708806 490564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if anything isn't obvious by looking at it, I left a document explaining < 1388708840 360317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708870 982442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I still don't like that style of level, I prefer the one-screeners < 1388708887 939759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's my favourite of that style, because I designed it to appeal to me < 1388708900 194927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has a bunch of features that are recognisably ais523, most of which would be spoilers < 1388709062 454272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh okay < 1388709068 870286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played enigma in years < 1388709078 214168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 2-3 years? < 1388709086 909847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, good night < 1388709127 557483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1388709350 969434 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpdspdhvvkyizjfh QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388709390 32338 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oipvsothjfuihilt QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388709409 444275 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wxzcmivnthyxuevk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388709421 695614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. what's the point of batteries? < 1388709459 731903 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukxbjokcwwtzhwco JOIN :#esoteric < 1388709544 889371 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388709557 941504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a nice convenient method of storing electrical energy? < 1388709580 484998 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czkqufoitxhmjdmk JOIN :#esoteric < 1388709591 717447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry it took me a while to answer, I needed to make sure I picked the right physical quantity, I was about to say "power" but didn't want to be inaccurate) < 1388709655 241463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An awful question, I know. Why do I get two batteries in the nabokoS level? < 1388709670 722394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you get two batteries in every Enigma level < 1388709678 194582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're specifically removed to prevent shortcuts < 1388709683 764666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because sometimes you're meant to use them in creative ways < 1388709704 610987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they were included only in levels where they were actually useful, it'd spoil the secret of those levels < 1388709723 187575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's an Enigma level design rule to give two batteries without a really good reason not to < 1388709736 327629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though like half the levels have a flag set so that they don't actually do anything < 1388709745 846100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I requested that they be greyed out in that case, but nobody's implemented it yet) < 1388709757 171081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, in some of the levels where they don't actually do anything, they're still useful < 1388709766 34755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma has a lot of corner cases like that < 1388709857 39387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388710029 412567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: incidentally, one completely pointless but amusing thing you can do with the batteries in Nabokos is to give them to the white marble < 1388710346 833400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it useful if it doesn't do anything? < 1388710465 767096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sometimes you can exploit the fact that it doesn't do anything < 1388710472 499376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via using to occupy space that would otherwise be doing something < 1388710494 594526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one item in Enigma, the cup of coffee, explicitly never does anything, but it is nonetheless very useful for that property sometimes < 1388710517 269502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it occupies space. < 1388710582 289103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, all items do < 1388710597 903300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it still does *that* thing. < 1388710598 136275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have any use beyond being an item < 1388710609 974387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it doesn't have any properties except those properties that are common to all items < 1388710631 819798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that could be useful. < 1388710655 932865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma physics can get very crazy sometimes < 1388710660 570763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each level has a "Knowledge" rating < 1388710677 779107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's 5 (no more, no less), that means that you need to exploit some corner case of the engine in order to complete the level < 1388710682 926195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6 means it doesn't follow the normal game physics) < 1388710693 360707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the brainfuck level, or the Tetris level) < 1388711264 809 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388711344 227189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I try to design interesting levels with low knowledge ratings, it's hard < 1388711353 575649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joy of that game for me is trying to fit things into the game engine < 1388711356 820133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like esoprogramming < 1388711519 292042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have played it but I prefer the kind of puzzle game like Hero Hearts with all kind of new pieces added; I have figured out everything about how the game engine works, but there are some limitations and some problems, and I could some time make up a clone of it which is Free software. < 1388711632 906124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388711664 266915 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/nibackup // Today's lesson: If at first you don't succeed, roll, roll your own. < 1388711739 596457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make a level out of nothing but solid walls, destroyable walls, abyss, and dynamite once < 1388711743 468549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was interesting < 1388711751 419553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because there's a lot you can do with it < 1388711771 962132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was broken because someone found a better solution than the intended one, which throws off the rest of the level < 1388711947 795925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not in the release version, probably partly for that reason < 1388712077 377138 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has fallen in love with this monitor < 1388712127 976139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1388712128 955023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? < 1388712136 379001 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dell U2713H. < 1388712187 847426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dell makes a damn fine monitor < 1388712193 158526 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :27", 2560x1440, has quite good color fidelity. < 1388712210 952452 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also impressive, darned thing comes from the factory with a proper calibration done. < 1388712240 588696 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just had to flip the thing over to sRGB, and voila. < 1388712246 652990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat, I know they did that for the older U3011 < 1388712256 375139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388712261 229713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION owned one of those < 1388712287 275004 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it actually has larger gamut than that, but I'm not going to try doing Adobe RGB out on X11) < 1388712313 205043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sRGB gamut is pretty small :/ < 1388712333 736133 :Bike!~Glossina@71.222.63.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388712340 458771 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's a royal pain getting better output from your software. < 1388712364 25762 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather display sRGB right than display sRGB samples as Adobe RGB most of the time. < 1388712641 218403 :Bike!~Glossina@71.222.63.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388712709 763625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388712946 123245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ghint > 1388713684 990648 JOIN :#esoteric > 1388713689 111600 JOIN :#esoteric > 1388713689 626145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388713695 206677 :glogbot!~glogbot@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1388713701 771021 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388713734 562436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388713791 311060 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1388713833 851437 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388713970 158528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1388714009 739400 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388714034 30105 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714063 699781 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714074 259457 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388714104 950063 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714127 948101 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714243 189660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Gregor got libdl.so after all < 1388714260 450778 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had libdl.so from the beginning. < 1388714281 210514 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not libc.so < 1388714365 671356 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1388714438 530159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388714464 910854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, I'm not convinced libc.so was worth the amount it eventually went for < 1388714527 909766 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so is worth ALL the money. < 1388714536 920356 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the guy who bought it won't respond to my emails :'( < 1388714571 970239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a moment I wondered who it was < 1388714590 520481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I realised that "webmaster@libc.so" works, if there's a web server there and they're following the standard < 1388714627 890557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, although it seems that the most common address for me to receive spams at my server is support@ < 1388714631 881660 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714633 475112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714651 549874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's also the one email from sudo < 1388714662 949932 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :.so has a working WHOIS service. < 1388714668 210028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "this incident will be reported" thing is even more surreal when you subsequently get the report < 1388714686 909886 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually IS reported? < 1388714700 83243 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388714701 979830 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should check root's spool... < 1388714724 229786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I set nethack4.org up so that I get root's email < 1388714728 690030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I was shocked < 1388714761 239807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really expect an email to actually arrive < 1388714914 800504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is reported but I think there is a command-line switch to tell sudo not to report it < 1388715414 940030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1388715430 749998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a vaguely silly problem today, with an even sillier solution < 1388715456 389834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem: I have installed a setgid executable, and suspect it has a permissions problem (my suspicion eventually turned out correct) < 1388715477 796222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to debug it, but I can't debug it as user:group me because I don't have the perms, and I can't debug it as root because then it works < 1388715490 721471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I need to keep the same user, but change my group to one that I'm not a member of < 1388715504 90212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone realise why the solution is silly yet? < 1388715663 995113 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388715692 279952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so the problem is, as ais523, I don't have the perms to change my group to a group I'm not in < 1388715711 520662 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388715715 785695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as root, I can change my group to whatever I want, but most permissions-dropping commands (such as su) also reset my group as well < 1388715728 670044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I need a command than can set my user and group simultaneously < 1388715733 749700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only one I had handy was sudo < 1388715751 539878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if I attempt to use sudo to change to a user other than root, it complains that I'm not allowed to do that (because it's only configured to let me become root) < 1388715760 253433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: run sudo /using sudo/ < 1388715784 870717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the first time in my life I've had a legitimate reason to start a command "sudo sudo", although ofc you can stack it effectively indefinitely if you feel like it < 1388715802 410265 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388715841 402539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd disabled the sudo reports on my local computer, so instead of "THIS INCIDENT WILL BE REPORTED" it just said "Sorry" < 1388715951 319160 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388716129 651328 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388716178 866805 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388716257 475853 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716393 286874 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716636 860283 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716670 892995 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716842 601160 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388717031 810700 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388717673 485582 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388717807 612923 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a Trusted Platform Model < 1388718147 673885 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388718238 909087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :model? not module? hmm. < 1388718277 144817 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i meant module. < 1388718393 846185 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388718754 261567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a piece of hardware that does cryptography, stores keys, and may verify a boot sequence. "trusted" means that while it is running on your insecure PC, entities like Microsoft or Hollywood can still trust it. Wikipedia knows a bit more. < 1388718830 992725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whoever programmed it can trust it, I suppose. If you don't have the latest version of Windows on your computer, it might not be programmed at all, and do nothing. < 1388718852 970205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do, then it is belonging to Microsoft and Hollywood, and so on. < 1388718858 727257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. weird. i have also found out from my PC construction odyssey that there is a possiblity of attaching a chassis opening detection wire. < 1388718914 889962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some computers have that, and will log it in the BIOS in such a case. < 1388719046 166286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_System < 1388719088 429520 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388719376 859019 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388719502 440687 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chassis intrusion sensors are standard for servers. < 1388719824 778101 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, people on c3 doesn't know befunge < 1388719928 542052 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388719980 879862 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388720237 889652 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388720502 704400 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388720875 91359 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388721642 841937 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux also supports TPMs. < 1388721669 740870 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is at least *possible* to run a system wherein you yourself are doing the verification. < 1388721742 952107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is TPM emulator, too. < 1388721781 991544 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388722976 612091 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388723081 930884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388723418 538338 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388723882 470160 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388723906 752248 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388723994 610459 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388724004 537672 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388724091 992532 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388724107 101240 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388724111 893627 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1388725502 973068 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388725574 842354 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388726262 720277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388726274 830099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection stopped working for some reason, but it works now. < 1388726561 967617 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388726624 563125 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388726691 986817 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388726698 12720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388726699 809448 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388726700 9965 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388726737 449176 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388726787 674460 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388727019 833854 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's safe to take a cab in a blizzard < 1388727072 119886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know the reason? < 1388727126 488937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the bits most useful for orwellian hollywood nonsense are not as widely implemented < 1388727130 562653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely remote attestation < 1388727318 995044 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388727615 209144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, I don't know the reason, sorry. < 1388727622 699414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1388727658 474996 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388728019 229571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: postmaster@example.com is *the* standard, if the domain has a SMTP service -- and if it doesn't, you obviously can't send email at all -- this webmaster@ is just some newfangled "HTTP" nonsense. < 1388728039 719101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I was thinking "or you could just contact the email admin if they have email" < 1388728046 269196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow didn't realise you couldn't send an email if they didn't < 1388728086 849052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PSOTMASTER, HOSTMASTER, USENET, NEWS (synonym for USENET), WEBMASTER, WWW (synonym for WEBMASTER), UUCP and FTP are the mailbox names RFC2142 defines.) < 1388728163 680684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly PSOTMASTER, obviously. < 1388728220 500812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also defines info@, marketing@, sales@ and support@ for "business-related mailbox names", and abuse@, noc@ and security@ for "network operations mailbox names". < 1388728232 578589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zem.fi gets most spam at the "webmaster" address. < 1388728246 499328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack4.org gets pretty much all its spam at support@ < 1388728264 289461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it the webmaster address was in some autogenerated Apache page and was crawled from there. < 1388728299 269433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been asked on here about Sirlin's Chess 2 before. You can read a lot of comments (including my own) on: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/listcomments.php?itemid=Chess2 < 1388728304 669193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also get some amount of spam for "rfk86", because that was on the page. < 1388728314 749419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think I've ever gotten a legitimate email to that address.) < 1388728501 659351 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wishmaster@example.com < 1388728518 169513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishmaster@example.com < 1388728532 871494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that an x86 version of robotfindskitten? < 1388728545 936723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's a TI-86 version. < 1388728557 629514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388728676 529673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hamster / a dentist / hard porn / Steven Seagull / warrior / this rifle / in me / the fishmaster," go the lyrics of Fishmaster.) < 1388728790 479541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are there enough of them to feed them into fungot? < 1388728790 679886 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: srbt yow! i'm unemployed! < 1388728925 100482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. (There aren't that many lyrics in Wishmaster, either.) < 1388728927 383717 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want fungot to make less sense, you should use the original lyrics < 1388728927 583988 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because it's cool, isn't it? < 1388728937 607688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it would be possible to make a song lyrics style, I guess. < 1388728963 274492 :douglass1!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388728964 69452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be! < 1388728991 61186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have somewhere a language model for song lyrics I got from Tampere University of Technology folks. Plus something I trained on a smallish-but-available database. < 1388729023 544994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess: still playable < 1388729033 470966 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lavigne < 1388729033 671183 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1388729034 299827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be! < 1388729038 41487 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1155) Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be! < 1388729063 100165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Song lyric databases generally don't provide download options, presumably for copyright reasons. From what I recall, LyricWiki doesn't either. (Does any Wikia wiki, really?)) < 1388729076 209525 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget < 1388729080 589391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess variants are still very interesting though, so you can play those games too, please. < 1388729109 490704 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia being evil doesn't help < 1388729124 731196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: They're also all so horrible website-wise, I don't really want to crawl them. (Though I guess e.g. the mldb.org interface is not all that bad.) < 1388729190 30191 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some music players implement this lyrics-grabbing protocol < 1388729237 640621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, my TeX chess program doesn't currently implement some of the features needed for Chess 2, but hopefully that can be fixed. < 1388729261 139243 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, by that I mean rhythmbox has this plugin that grabs lyrics from some unspecified online service < 1388729270 879058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think MusicBrainz does lyrics, sadly. < 1388729339 315348 :douglass1!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388729416 789501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyricWiki has a SOAP/REST API, but "due to licensing restrictions, the API can only directly return a small portion of the lyrics directly - which is useful for determining if you have a correct match. All responses also contain a URL to a corresponding page with the full lyrics." < 1388729458 639504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It used to return the full lyrics, but they had to change that.) < 1388729470 915082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We can't get a license to distribute lyrics for free via an API, however we do have a license to display lyrics on a web-page as long as the web-page has javascript enabled so that we can track which songs are being viewed (for distributing royalties) and have an ad on them so that a percentage of the money can be paid as licensing fees." < 1388729548 619721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you ever wanted to run a lyric website or a lyrics app for a mobile device but wondered where you could get good quality lyric data from? Congratulations you have found one of the largest databases of lyrics available on the web! This database is in MySQL format and contains half a million songs that you can use on your own lyric site." For only $24.99! < 1388729560 179189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange stuff. < 1388729593 549943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a brand new lyric database collated from a number of sources." Somehow I am not really sure all those sources make their stuff available for free for commercial use. < 1388729648 589962 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is a ᵀᴇˣ chess program?) < 1388729799 789762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! unicode ᵀᴇˣ < 1388729812 769588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet++ < 1388729823 349898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some CSS to do it but I hadn't seen it in "plain text" before < 1388729884 769507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of MySQL, https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/418892674309967872 < 1388730828 209823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you build MySQL on musl? < 1388730830 947998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just wondering.) < 1388730879 839949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MuSQL < 1388730955 629625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something called "µSQL" probably exists. < 1388730969 169586 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nigh-SQL < 1388731385 789735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX chess program is a program to read algebraic chess notation and generate diagrams from them, as well as to format the moves, and to play many chess variants, too. < 1388731676 51230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what SQL programs you prefer but I use SQLite < 1388732031 338043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm on my phone. what are the unicode chars in front of chess above? < 1388732067 457120 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tex" but with the heightshit < 1388732131 346064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh you are adding Chess 2 to TeX chess? < 1388732164 122802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other chess variants with the bidding mechanic? < 1388732471 577297 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1388732544 135219 :apott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388732558 349285 :apott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1388732563 446234 :apott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388732563 734099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1388732572 997050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said hi before they left this time! < 1388732580 379925 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on my screen! < 1388732708 878962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that might be the problem :-( < 1388732722 928554 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good effort though < 1388732847 119171 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19940612/Jackals2.jpg < 1388732850 533886 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the jackals < 1388732858 312100 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take more jackal pix < 1388732883 550551 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The holidays went away too quickly < 1388732902 142869 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between the family christmas and new year with friends, I barely had any time to do shit < 1388733063 252080 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388733074 850556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://xkcd.com/1312/ < 1388733089 933817 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388733104 230298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵀᴇˣ -- quintopia < 1388733105 853770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D40 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL T] [U+1D07 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL E] [U+02E3 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL X] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0071 LATIN SMALL LETTER Q] [U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+006F LATIN SMA < 1388733111 13691 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388733123 552712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388733156 62250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aatin smtal letter q" < 1388733191 599995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know, but there are others involving hidden information in various ways. < 1388733225 601994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you play regular normal deck card games? < 1388733281 972378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, I do play that too. < 1388733293 829507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you like "bullshit" < 1388733301 691563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know several card games using the standard 52-card deck or some subset. < 1388733332 366901 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good at Canasta? < 1388733340 844130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the game also known as "I Doubt It"? I do know how to play, and a few variants. I don't play often though. < 1388733359 103915 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1388733360 62233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to play Canasta too, but I don't play much; I don't think I am particularly good at it. < 1388733360 355428 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1388733364 405001 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window < 1388733523 628870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i had an idea for a variant, but maybe it exists. the idea would be to deal some of the cards to no player face down, and let people optionally draw and discard at turn start, also optionally discard and draw 1/4 of the cards they pick up as penalties. < 1388733543 764650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an idea, at least. < 1388733544 371857 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's two decks with 4 wild jokers < 1388733555 95004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to keep track of who could have what < 1388733556 174273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why does your flat have a Big Red Button next to the door < 1388733562 992618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Slereah < 1388733563 521399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Slereah is Fri Jan 03 08:19:17 2014 < 1388733583 973753 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that question a lot < 1388733609 861260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sirlin also invented the game Pandante (not yet for sale, although you can download the rules and perhaps make up your own), which is like poker but involving lying; you can accuse another player of lying, similar to how you can in I Doubt It. < 1388733615 693560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to identify the country from the Europlug grounding variant in use < 1388733639 124342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: poker involves a lot of lying too, isn't it? < 1388733651 94014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's bluffing, not lying < 1388733661 60114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nothing you say that has a game effect has a truth value < 1388733671 214282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluffing's when you bet a large amount despite having a bad hand < 1388733679 711899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the hope that other people will think you have a good hand and not take the bet < 1388733683 589996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also just say you have a good hand < 1388733686 800268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess people don't < 1388733690 29870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be silly < 1388733719 409563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is betting a speech act" < 1388733731 926753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps after Citizens United < 1388733764 561024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is bluffing, not lying; it is different in that way. < 1388733794 74931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pandante, if you claim to have a flush, and then nobody accuses you of lying, then it counts as a flush regardless of what cards you actually hold. < 1388733823 694197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1388733860 375776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: do you have an answer to that question a lot, too? < 1388733908 113859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that is impressively many jackals < 1388733919 821974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a copy of The Day of the Jackal too < 1388733935 243683 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does that book keep coming from < 1388733952 552821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need a Day of the Jackal-type motherfucker, basically, to do some shit like that." < 1388734084 272307 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1388734086 450554 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's thath quote from < 1388734163 871717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wire < 1388734175 531233 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388734222 32452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :niba rkcynvavat jul fyvz puneyrf vfa'g hc gb gur gnfx bs nffnffvangvat fgngr frangbe pynl qnivf < 1388734231 241776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoilers) < 1388734264 713016 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1388734530 410824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/2/5266258/kanye-west-themed-bitcoin-clone-said-to-launch-this-month-coinye < 1388734595 87580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are people linking that story < 1388734600 38230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even interesting < 1388734604 168949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's absurd < 1388734915 631828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coinmarketcap.com/ -__- < 1388734924 739354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexcoin, Deutsche eMark, FedoraCoin, HoboNickels < 1388734960 679958 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we be done with the internet now < 1388734989 235392 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin < 1388735000 91316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such shame, very failure < 1388735053 733865 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus "asiccoin" uses that shitty anarchy logo < 1388735188 874053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric currency design and deployment! < 1388735217 224236 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that could actually be fun. what makes a currency esoteric? not in the "nobody uses it" sense, of course. < 1388735233 999875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird proof of work function based on an esolang? < 1388735235 989522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing values rapidly is too pedestrian... < 1388735252 640485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bitcoin already contains a mini language for describing transactions < 1388735256 403148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just make that more eso < 1388735286 516593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I had a bitcoin-related eso idea < 1388735297 391450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to encode a non-bitcoin currency into the bitcoin blockchain < 1388735338 31502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, rule that only transactions less than 1mBTC count, and only if they have an even floating-point exponent (so you can easily split a transaction in two to toggle whether it counts) < 1388735827 137766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule in Sirlin's Chess 2 where a defender bidding against an attacker with zero stones must bid one seems useless to me. He wouldn't ever *want* to bid any other amount. Ties go to the attacker, having stones isn't a disadvantage, turns aren't lost due to dueling, if 0-0 the attacker can make the defender lose a stone, and nothing changes! < 1388736370 709721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it isn't really a rule, just a pointing out of a consequence < 1388736410 949803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it easier to implement in software to have it explicitly stated like that < 1388736413 80919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tournament backgammon you can't use the doubling cube at 5-6 < 1388736423 796369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise the player on 5 always would < 1388736529 517916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, it can be done automatically in a computer program. < 1388736560 607876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and is, in fact < 1388736689 299405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You are correct about that, and I think that is called Crawford rule. Such rule can be used in other games too if you are including a doubling cube rule (I thought of using it in Pokemon, even). < 1388736749 850081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1388737831 465719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant of doubling cube, which I do not see mentioned in the article about backgammon (probably because it doesn't apply to backgammon, in which ties and draws aren't possible), would be in case of a tie or draw, the stakes are doubled (rather than reset), and then the cube is centered again. Such a rule can be used with or without the offering doubling cube. < 1388738473 546809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the first time someone shown me how to play backgammon game, it was Turkish backgammon, although she didn't call it that, and she isn't Turkish anyways. < 1388738534 913133 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388739103 776919 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388739229 565741 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388739384 427187 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388740210 10918 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1388740964 193035 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388741954 952738 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388742384 82115 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388745318 515455 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388745711 112025 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388745803 820931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388746053 362149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1312/ < 1388746057 821802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, right. < 1388746507 898250 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388747114 525570 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388747158 551975 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388747509 837638 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388747616 613638 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388748396 495743 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388749755 614343 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388751464 252373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388751653 382417 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Why knock Haskell for being lazy? That was uncalled for! '' < 1388751654 644440 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `Why: not found < 1388751662 720607 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1388752085 452354 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://me.veekun.com/blog/2013/01/09/cvs-and-file-extensions/ < 1388752238 26161 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388752317 14987 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388752338 585938 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388753103 431458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh; first time I've seen a freenode channel on the wall in an art museum. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-irc1.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-irc2.jpg < 1388753239 522531 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something like that at the Science Museum in London < 1388753349 502738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in some sort of "science museum" in London once, wonder if it was the same place. < 1388753355 788306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was back in 2001 or so, though. < 1388753394 92115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might've been IRC-based chats elsewhere, but I don't recall seeing anything in freenode. < 1388753441 843418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: darn i assumed that was CVS < 1388753443 677054 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Natural History museum, which is the big one < 1388753454 402449 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the Science Museum, which is smaller and right next door < 1388753853 503896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this was in the general neighbourhood of Hyde Park. < 1388753878 94152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's that Science Museum / Natural History Museum complex, then. < 1388753894 143323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall it wasn't very big. < 1388753957 805828 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :May have been the Science Museum < 1388753966 559264 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural History museum is muuuuuuuuch bigger < 1388753984 942304 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the British museum (history and anthropology, iirc) is MUUUUUUUUCH bigger < 1388753994 610304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went there, too. < 1388753997 683228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was big.) < 1388754009 622500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's kind of a de-facto standard stop, I guess. < 1388754024 732415 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the science museum you went to, was there a blue whale attached to the ceiling < 1388754123 257538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember, and I can't locate any photos either. (Maybe it was a pre-ubiquitous-digital-cameras thing.) < 1388754181 164643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the exhibitions have changed somewhat in the last decade or so. < 1388754194 227782 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where exactly is the ##2048 displayed? < 1388754213 652173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It's in Kiasma, there's an exhibition about Erkki Kurenniemi. < 1388754221 847635 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388754264 682130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen anything especially interesting on-channel, just that bot stating out which track is playing on the radio. < 1388754293 731340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The radio being the one at http://kurenniemi.activearchives.org/dataradio/ < 1388754305 943131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the chat sidebar there is what's connected to the channel. < 1388754329 438518 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388754393 678798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built on Kiwi IRC, I see. < 1388754628 780062 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388754983 152296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from the exhibition: there was a room with a dozen or so monitors displaying movies; each was driven by a Raspberry Pi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-pi1.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-pi2.jpg < 1388754991 184792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out they're not useless after all! < 1388755415 741523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, there was a robotic head-on-wheels that had a speech synthesizer that wandered around and randomly said "rauhaa, rauhaa, joulu on jo ovella" and "jumalauta, mulla on outo olo", plus "voi ihmisen pieru" on bumping into anything. (If you can't tell, it's a modern art museum.) < 1388755512 811498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵀᴇˣ < 1388755514 214351 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D40 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL T] [U+1D07 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL E] [U+02E3 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL X] < 1388755630 541276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that should really be a MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL X, except it doesn't exist. < 1388755657 513234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was guessing so too < 1388755661 676204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps even more optimally just regular T and X, and some kind of dropped E. < 1388757072 71106 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/d/de/ChickCthulhu.gif < 1388757089 901186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin such shame, very failure < 1388757094 114025 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1156) i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin such shame, very failure < 1388757158 196966 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :LᴬTᴇX < 1388757317 540245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The baseline of the small capital E is kind of wrong. < 1388757382 118178 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to work from home today < 1388757394 321226 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to not work from home today < 1388757530 369678 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388757538 110092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to not work today. < 1388757545 490868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More permutations?) < 1388757558 150553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps someone gets home today. < 1388757563 811255 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388757576 831296 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388757586 883814 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get not home on Sunday < 1388757603 233463 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good piñata tractor beam morning! < 1388757618 781975 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I get partially home on Sunday. < 1388757637 977095 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm looking forward to Sunday < 1388757663 745050 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :York was the first place I've lived that wasn't Hexham this side of 2000 < 1388757670 639842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to wonder where boily's mornings are coming from, anyway. < 1388757713 879946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe from the same place as nortti's link. < 1388757918 291698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 48 < 1388757919 823042 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 48: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1388757949 120750 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we were playing Ghost Stories yesterday night and discussing some strategies. < 1388758001 539914 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ! I can't find file `dungeonsrecording'. < 1388758015 89831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Download it from the same directory. < 1388758021 499425 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you have nice links. < 1388758092 790549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A precompiled DVI is also available, in case you want to use that (no unusual fonts are needed). < 1388758123 181739 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good points: you specify the number of eyes. < 1388758128 869634 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad points: no unusual fonts. < 1388758148 362588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I have had no use for any unusual fonts (yet). < 1388758177 67773 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my first D&D session, my character ended up with a magical tattoo on his chest < 1388758186 819653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What kind of magical tattoo? < 1388758199 36923 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's an eye, and I can't tell you more than that yet < 1388758203 479761 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't know more than that < 1388758206 29869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1388758222 70299 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a nasty crow lady after me because of it < 1388758383 79704 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388759060 983809 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt it, because that is from my todo list < 1388759066 650596 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1388759598 901673 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388760203 858024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388760334 810065 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388760425 484331 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388760580 249015 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://me.veekun.com/blog/2013/03/03/the-controller-pattern-is-awful-and-other-oo-heresy/ < 1388761203 603636 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388761238 638915 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, all patterns are evil. < 1388761254 891191 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :all language is patterns < 1388761255 91667 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388761278 482664 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388761300 813792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly both boily and mauke are correct. < 1388761650 779641 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388762150 60670 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388762201 80441 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388762265 12395 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388762758 809113 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388764466 100313 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/01/02/2247214/dogs-defecate-in-alignment-with-earths-magnetic-field < 1388764526 259028 :Guest65919!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab NICK :_46bit_ < 1388764564 408093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: i bet that's a shitty article < 1388764579 750934 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan *mapole smack* < 1388764579 951723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388764994 787648 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388765264 991782 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388765267 568969 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388765552 568724 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants this is comedy gold < 1388765923 18251 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. plaintext passwords, private SSH keys, everything in the hands of a bozo? < 1388766166 728591 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look any better < 1388766815 798439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which scares me more ... the idea of handing all that information to somebody calling themselves security auditor, or the apparently genuine interest in complying with such a request. < 1388766947 938536 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1388767015 750628 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1388767043 628003 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit boily, topping me. < 1388767050 899243 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝ < 1388767108 960463 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388767145 817842 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: try CtrlR-Shift-U. < 1388767169 518427 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1388767223 360284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⇑⤊⟰ < 1388767228 29023 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388767257 121812 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃ < 1388767309 23287 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :⇈⇡⇧⬆↑ < 1388767327 888143 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke is a Master Archer, with all kinds of tricky arrows. < 1388767331 549459 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mauke < 1388767333 67079 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1388767336 599194 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/javascript/unicode.html?q=up < 1388767357 215164 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn mauke is a Master Archer. Caution! He can shoot your PRIVMSG with creative arrows! < 1388767361 689706 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1388767884 949542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an option for ghc to just produce strict code? < 1388768276 91163 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388768543 852687 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388768900 99940 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :🔶 < 1388769652 329506 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :[li]|AoS < 1388770297 521119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388770760 740338 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define shortjmp return < 1388770774 319637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1388770862 29031 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1388770869 279783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nabokoS was nasty ... of course the required number of pushes is optimal and the "hard" version has a unique solution up to symmetry. < 1388770879 910861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call 'return' a jump. < 1388770908 284230 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is longjmp? < 1388770911 499507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess "longjump" isn't much of a jump either. < 1388770923 261397 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's obviously a jmp, not a jump < 1388770936 740666 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no u" < 1388770950 622101 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you speak like fungot. < 1388770950 871036 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you don't know a lot of it can be ( make-circle-str 250 ' blue) < 1388770953 100176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "u". I'm not using it very often. < 1388770990 399677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun got me. < 1388770995 559548 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e is the new incarnation of fungot! zzo38 is an impostor! < 1388770996 34691 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: such as fnord' rather than fnord data, maybe specify it in a minute i'll see whether i need inheritance or not in css) " give me the message now. < 1388771009 429848 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks int-e because of the bad pun. < 1388771053 420783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "nabokoS" is ais523's enigma level that asks you to build a sokoban level. < 1388771083 681696 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is conflagratedly puzzled... < 1388771208 69563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I call it "nasty" because I had to write a computer program in order to solve it. < 1388771242 34591 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get a link to the enigmais523? < 1388771277 918803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nongnu.org/enigma/ < 1388771352 499554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1388771354 571737 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1388771364 520880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one level in there called "Nabokos", which was created by ais523. < 1388771774 989951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ? < 1388771999 26981 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523 made nabokos? < 1388772074 199380 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like enigma quite a bit and especially that one < 1388772878 213416 :[li]|AoS!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388773866 360883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1388773898 300180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i sent you the xkcd link in the same spirit as you pasting me terrible things from #haskell < 1388773912 50536 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388773937 99736 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma huh. < 1388773948 965 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388773949 540406 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never played Enigma. < 1388774033 562015 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I'll give it a shot. < 1388774225 950068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah < 1388774273 525653 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388774358 981627 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388774615 950793 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388774632 932387 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388774656 849803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, but Enigma is a lousy interface for Sokoban levels. < 1388774780 541186 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388775283 881113 :impomatic!~john_metc@94.116.222.134 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388775507 89952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see http://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2012/07/30/binary-search-is-a-pathological-case-for-caches/ < 1388775601 611324 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388775735 983416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«#define BARRIER do { __asm__ volatile("" ::: "memory"); } while (0)» ah yes < 1388775832 380641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc has builtins for that < 1388775834 658707 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’ve seen horrible implementations of tr1::hash for unsigned values in (it’s the identity function on my mac)" heh < 1388775920 551457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1388776021 759581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's collision free < 1388776561 270129 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388776697 219863 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://games.moria.org.uk/kye/ < 1388776856 189711 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: i played the heck out of that as a kid < 1388776864 791093 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same. < 1388776906 970958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that looks pretty familiar. < 1388776975 20341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388777789 849869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1388777831 920289 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5xV6R4hn0c < 1388777842 5465 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so confused right now what is happening to my brain. < 1388778015 749635 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing uglifies in my eyeballs. < 1388778263 491175 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, burritos... is it about monads? < 1388778389 640312 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a traversal. (Burrito m, Taquito t) => forall a. m t a -> t m a. < 1388778537 289869 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, there is such a thing as taco de ojo → http://www.burritoeater.com/tacodeojo.html < 1388778619 549594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye taco? < 1388778686 809857 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388778722 959495 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eye taco. even I am weirdede. < 1388778738 699360 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.e\..\.. < 1388778822 28783 :luce90!~M@dynamic-adsl-78-15-176-232.clienti.tiscali.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1388778898 810199 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome luce90 < 1388778901 202187 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04luce90: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1388778915 140053 :luce90!~M@dynamic-adsl-78-15-176-232.clienti.tiscali.it PART :#esoteric < 1388778937 260159 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another visitor scared away. *sigh* < 1388778946 340270 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, anybody here who speaks Italian? < 1388778964 339704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid not me. < 1388778979 983171 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know "ciao a tutti" and "!list" < 1388779005 30454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke++ < 1388779019 20527 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma mauke < 1388779019 220886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke has a karma of 35 < 1388779022 960562 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooah... < 1388779027 484316 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388779027 684606 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : mauke: 1116 < 1388779050 141669 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388779050 381999 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily has no karma < 1388779203 739653 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles preflex < 1388779207 280936 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: kmc < 1388779210 291269 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388779210 511497 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily has no karma < 1388779217 662837 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry for autotabbing you. < 1388779238 486381 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388779247 167090 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma chameleon < 1388779247 367486 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : chameleon: 6 < 1388779389 133772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388779389 334282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 13 < 1388779420 629547 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2013-December/024858.html < 1388779780 899680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I've always wanted C++ to be even bigger < 1388779802 590479 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someday, C++ will be big enough to encompass Haskell! < 1388780264 766243 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388780444 640377 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 2D drawing library? < 1388780448 719864 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be joking. < 1388782109 151315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1388782113 691367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782113 891701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1388782116 564720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1388782476 889879 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782477 90057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1 < 1388782517 480134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karmageddon < 1388782517 717966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1388782521 320839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma geddon < 1388782521 521188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geddon has a karma of 0 < 1388782559 971813 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ggedon < 1388782560 172368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ggedon has a karma of 0 < 1388782565 350654 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma list < 1388782565 551261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :list has a karma of 0 < 1388782570 600301 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782570 800611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1388782573 440036 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you. < 1388782577 60528 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782578 579983 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782580 590031 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782582 590427 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782584 570387 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782585 801274 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782586 1649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 5 < 1388782586 541393 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that should do it. < 1388782591 231255 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, thanks boily :D < 1388782607 314024 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(karma chameleon)++ < 1388782612 301587 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma karma chameleon < 1388782612 502356 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : karma chameleon: 2 < 1388782618 191343 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782622 441723 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388782622 642628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 8 < 1388782639 900963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma 1337 < 1388782640 101696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337 has a karma of 0 < 1388782653 480389 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388782653 717833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 44 < 1388782656 400848 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KD < 1388782661 909977 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388782662 110578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 80 < 1388782684 340729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the first Carmageddon game looks a lot clunkier than what I remembered. < 1388782714 507310 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma boily < 1388782714 707656 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: 7 < 1388782757 165736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1388782769 290504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have lower karma than all of you! < 1388782794 57242 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma quintopia < 1388782794 257590 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia has no karma < 1388782800 70344 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ < 1388782804 889925 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++++ < 1388782810 68366 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma quintopia++ < 1388782810 305954 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia++: 1 < 1388782810 306118 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma quintopia < 1388782811 202776 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: 2 < 1388782820 598516 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬'... < 1388782839 851738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1388782841 600658 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma boily < 1388782841 880860 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: 7 < 1388782842 81240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388782842 882547 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: 98 < 1388782849 290362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1388782855 405529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ < 1388782857 900602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ < 1388782858 952235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ < 1388782865 800659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never catch you! < 1388782874 340499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782875 379094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782876 169875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782900 760864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides from the impending karma war of doom < 1388782954 440443 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782956 570057 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782958 523634 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782960 573655 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782962 552035 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782964 490298 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782966 558946 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782968 480350 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782969 640736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooooooo < 1388782970 530297 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782972 529960 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782973 700793 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily-- < 1388782974 580175 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782976 491740 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782978 489797 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I know, something something flood something...) < 1388782980 479734 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke** < 1388782987 699947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782989 30224 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyಠ_ಠ < 1388782989 230750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782989 431123 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    ¯|¯⌠ < 1388782989 631326 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    /< | < 1388782990 259853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782990 540074 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol÷÷ < 1388782991 532623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782992 460323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782994 680247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782997 130258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782999 631251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388783002 140510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388783006 610532 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1388783016 630444 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly// < 1388783022 591315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay flood over < 1388783032 530440 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :full-width solidus? < 1388783049 832315 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1388783051 140477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode / < 1388783052 430770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FF0F FULLWIDTH SOLIDUS] < 1388783056 709952 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1388783066 893769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HEAVY BLACK HEART < 1388783068 367439 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​❤ < 1388783073 971355 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ORANGE BOOK < 1388783075 600876 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783076 749928 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HEAVY BLACK METAL < 1388783078 273888 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783089 111011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode KANGXI RADICAL FIGHT < 1388783090 499974 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⾾ < 1388783094 655261 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode RED APPLE < 1388783096 171013 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783102 621263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1388783114 363316 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORANGE BOOK is a real legit unicode char. < 1388783117 716956 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/javascript/unicode.html?q=red+apple < 1388783167 741655 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«bin torieux.» red apple too is a Real Unicode Far Away in the SMP Character. < 1388783180 462837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about red lobster < 1388783182 651211 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a GREEN APPLE < 1388783218 671176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reference pictures on file-formats.info show them in different greyscale shades < 1388783399 165698 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1388783402 630358 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388783402 830475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 20 < 1388783416 965813 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388783417 205995 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : LinearInterpol: 20 < 1388783419 140416 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode CLOCKWISE RIGHTWARDS AND LEFTWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS WITH CIRCLED ONE OVERLAY < 1388783420 555763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783423 500352 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388783423 700616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 109 < 1388783750 939529 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode GLYPH FOR ISOLATE ARABIC HAMZAH UNDER LIGATURE LAM ALEF < 1388783752 460547 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783787 970436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's both an old Unicode database and an inability to handle non-BMP characters in the Python of HackEgo. < 1388783853 500144 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently that is an old name < 1388783862 750429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ARABIC LIGATURE LAM WITH ALEF WITH HAMZA BELOW ISOLATED FORM < 1388783864 300309 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ﻹ < 1388784148 620558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388784871 590938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange Enigma thing: when playing, xscreensaver does not think there is any mouse movement, and therefore activates after the usual delay. < 1388784906 509939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: <#haskell on that comic> If you can't laugh at it, you need to reevaluate the place that technological choices have in your life. < 1388785055 90315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't laugh at it because it's not funny < 1388785062 470414 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388785066 690262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comic? < 1388785089 21785 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: today's xkcd. < 1388785101 398696 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is any other xkcd < 1388785108 463604 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one just has more butthurt haskellers < 1388785133 590491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a p. irritating attitude imo < 1388785154 428781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i yell "haskell sucks!" and you don't laugh at my funny joke then you are too emotionally attached to haskell < 1388785164 500160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1388785184 60605 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly, but if you take offense to it you are too emotionally attached to haskell < 1388785201 698916 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't laugh at that joke. Haskell programmers don't laugh, as emotion is a side-effect. < 1388785229 589877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v: accusing people of 'taking offense' when they're expressing some other emotion is common and obnoxious < 1388785230 790351 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v:: not found < 1388785258 240954 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did i accuse? < 1388785269 687098 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v: me < 1388785270 920105 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v:: not found < 1388785277 446043 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop executing me bro < 1388785288 100277 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a nick that doesn't suck < 1388785288 300557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `^_^v: I didn't accuse you of accusing anyone! < 1388785305 380845 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1388785305 575775 NAMES :#esoteric < 1388785315 540870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric `^_^v :my patience for you has expired < 1388785318 130199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1388785318 152330 NAMES :#esoteric < 1388785318 820121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388785332 20204 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am offended at people suggesting I take offense at people suggesting I accuse offensers who offense people by taking offense at suggesting offenses are what offense people taking offense at. < 1388785352 371371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's offensive! < 1388785359 200380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1388785404 371093 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know where I can buy typewriter ribbon? < 1388785425 550309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :office supply store < 1388785428 290293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1388785430 452037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty weird xkcd given that iirc xkcd.com has used haskell internally several times < 1388785448 390527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm glad I'm not in #haskell right now! < 1388785451 51006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really old and tired joke < 1388785457 925956 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pandering to its audience < 1388785466 600720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also based on a false strawman claim about haskell < 1388785480 440107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure xkcd is just catering to the lowest common denominator half the time at this point < 1388785482 224344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as a friend I'm also glad you aren't in #haskell < 1388785487 310151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cheap gag strips feel like that now < 1388785499 419807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, whatever, it helps the guy sell shirts and he does cool stuff on the side < 1388785504 902396 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in #haskell but like Phantom_Hoover knows I blot out things that annoy me < 1388785513 181131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why am i in #haskell < 1388785524 80055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wager good money that this strip sat in some rejects pile for a long time and he just couldn't come up with anything better today so was like fuck it. < 1388785532 523729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that < 1388785536 169294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd is heavily queued, IIRC < 1388785603 460379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mostly stopped complaining about xkcd because I think its reputation has fallen enough that it's not so bizarrely overrated anymore < 1388785662 460845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should talk about typewriter ribbon or something instead of xkcd. < 1388785694 480781 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ribbons are good. my girlfriend has some nice ones. < 1388785713 111507 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the on-campus store at York stocks them < 1388785892 870210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should leave #haskell < 1388785915 730470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dot matrix printer ribbons are getting hard to find. < 1388785963 780184 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388785994 52624 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388786013 140894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot matrix printers are still common though < 1388786015 430102 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dot-matrix printers use ribbons? < 1388786019 780325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe particular ones aren't < 1388786031 352371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe I mean "dot matrix printers were still common in 2003"... time makes fools of us all < 1388786034 219998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Some do, at least. < 1388786065 148663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.amazon.com/Epson-ERC-30-34-38-Pack/dp/B00280C35A stuff like that. < 1388786075 501120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Premium-Compatible-Black-Pack/dp/B002DN6YA2/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1388786039&sr=1-3 in two colors! < 1388786103 630491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it's the non-popular models that are harder. < 1388786181 981624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had (maybe it's still in the basement) a Hyundai (I think) brand dot matrix printer that wasn't ribbon-compatible with anything major, and even 5-10 years ago when I was looking, a big office supply company managed to locate just three cartridges in some musty old warehouse. < 1388786249 460140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think it was a lot like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wide-Carriage-Dot-Matrix-printer-Hyundai-HDP-920-/251274316551 one, but perhaps not quite that one model. < 1388786272 111670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hyundai HDP920 Compatible High Density Re-Inking Nylon Cassette Printer Ribbon" "This Item has now been Discontinued and is no Longer Available to Order" < 1388786351 1057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ru.pc-history.com/wp-content/uploads/prn_hyundahdp-920.JPG yes that is amazingly close to what it looked/looks like. < 1388786360 805868 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, one happens to have an old incompatypewriter lying around. something that hasn't happened to me yet, but I fear will be bestowed upon me by an unknown stranger in a trenchcoat on Ste-Catherine. < 1388786384 636625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where my typewriter is, also. < 1388786400 533639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote things with it when at the summer cottage. < 1388786408 451580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There wasn't all that much to do.) < 1388786425 60343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did do multiple colors, though. < 1388786433 92430 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a typewriter from a charity shop the other day, completely impulsively < 1388786495 269981 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Quit: CHICKEN RIBBON < 1388786498 380290 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388786507 740461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prodano.by/media/images/post/315/3153457_0.jpg apparently it works fine in Windows 7 x64 SP1. If that's what the bit in Russian means. < 1388786507 940767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to make your own ink ribbon out of like ribbon and ink? < 1388786699 360846 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "PRINTING FROM WINDOWS 7 x64 SP1" < 1388786709 490504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGICAL < 1388786726 482242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's the hammer-and-sickle for?) < 1388786734 80067 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation < 1388786738 810744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1388786747 100083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps it's a Party-approved printer.) < 1388786760 970377 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending sentences is pretty ink-expensive in russian < 1388786817 112856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it seems that HDP-920 is the A3 model. Mine was just A4; maybe it's the HDP-910 instead. < 1388786833 128028 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787204 252615 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787235 984271 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787391 280937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there a concise term for an idea which isn't that stupid but is very popular with clueless beginners who will do it wrong and so everyone hates this idea? < 1388787442 160542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of < 1388787446 490576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are some examples other than otp < 1388787464 582850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot of things on the haskell faq < 1388787471 960194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dynamic typing < 1388787505 441100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, makes sense < 1388787506 952611 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1388787507 230871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787533 990093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1388787534 190387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6h 22m 34s ago: *mapole smack* < 1388787685 660871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "PHP" < 1388787701 200684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("j/k lol") < 1388787740 970154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388787743 758669 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Perl fits better than PHP < 1388788316 820768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I once considered OO and static typing to be examples... sucky languages get them wrong and so they get derided < 1388788345 610728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure what some 'right' ways to do OO are, there are probably better approaches than the mainstream < 1388788466 741253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388788483 871315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely "wanting to do OO-ish things in Haskell" is an example < 1388788494 231149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beginners want it and are usually wrong, but there are some valid cases < 1388788676 61857 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388788973 239896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's me posting about it a while ago even though the post doesn't actually add anything to this discussion: http://sgeo.tumblr.com/post/45037477692/i-suspect-that-much-of-the-time-when-people-say < 1388789048 710295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A generic error has occurred." Well, that's helpful. < 1388789164 283787 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would 'unknown' be better? < 1388789213 250592 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly better than pretending that the operation was successful < 1388789226 750831 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm heading towards an OO-ish API for this game library I'm writing in Haskell < 1388789243 370748 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very -ish < 1388789308 890448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Tcl is a language quite likely to explore interesting corners of OO design space < 1388789318 997981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game library is that? And what kind of OO-ish API? < 1388789321 240793 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's XOTcl, which I don't know much about admittedly < 1388789334 680755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they seem to limit themselves to single-dispatch < 1388789339 530954 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388789341 500791 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Tcl is awesome. < 1388789360 360674 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk, ironically, seems less likey. Its OO is built into its core, I imagine a bit tricky to just change < 1388789367 591138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: are you pikhq? < 1388789373 940907 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1388789387 871014 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1388789417 301012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of done with Tcl after using a script I wrote that leaked around 12GB of memory < 1388789432 101016 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an object-oriented language once. < 1388789445 406613 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IRC bot is also apparently a memory leaker, but I'm not sure what's causing that. That bot is also in Tcl. < 1388789448 942175 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol, you're behind Gregor, then < 1388789452 750594 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm bad at manual memory management < 1388789492 250896 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: was his language forth-like? :P < 1388789504 990602 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass was < 1388789508 758209 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK was less so < 1388789551 1831 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was callllled Emerald. it was p. stupid. < 1388789584 640913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that people mean one of like 12 different things by "OOP" < 1388789588 981218 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings were disgusting to deal with. < 1388789600 272097 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mine was prototypical. < 1388789619 521374 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is "OOP" better or worse defined than "FP" < 1388789628 121377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lie that OOP was the origin of abstract data types is pervasive in CS education < 1388789637 626928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many dimemsions are there of somewhat well known terminology to describe OO systems? < 1388789648 270835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :single/multiple dispatch, prototypal/class based, etc/ < 1388789648 913967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1388789660 184282 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as many dimensions as there are implementations of different ideas. < 1388789670 990627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: how many of those ideas have names though < 1388789678 441866 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tooooooooooooo many to fucking count. < 1388789712 740987 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, even the definition of object isn't consistent in most places. < 1388789718 392054 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C it's taken to be data + identifier. < 1388789724 800497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that random joe schmoe could describe system X as "multiple-dispatch prototypal blah blah blah" and ultimately unique to X but... understandable < 1388789743 771222 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what would multiple-dispatch prototypal look like? < 1388789746 922538 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so inconsistent it boggles my fucking mind. < 1388789756 741208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am I spelling prototypal correctly? < 1388789786 510552 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1388789820 295770 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: multiple-dispatch prototypal language? try emerald. < 1388789827 680625 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, my emerald. < 1388789842 950706 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hacked that together so badly.. jesus. < 1388789863 780660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1388789877 920734 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost afraid to give you the link but, sure. < 1388789910 552110 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/LinearInterpol/emerald < 1388789941 10643 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 99% of the environment isn't even defined in Python. < 1388789947 121276 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings aren't. < 1388789953 20782 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :math isn't. < 1388789971 160367 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, not in Python, *in the central interpreter. < 1388789974 803193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like stack-based except when I don't < 1388789987 831718 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how about queue-based? < 1388789990 150408 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when stack based becomes horrid. < 1388789999 162338 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at Emerald.py < 1388790000 481989 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weep. < 1388790004 790540 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queue-based? < 1388790035 872540 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388790048 30497 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there aren't that many queue-based languages < 1388790099 90850 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a symbol to start and stop the interpreter. < 1388790101 258615 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1388790111 910454 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is scary enough but it does.. allow odd things to happen. < 1388790376 640623 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in "Old" you can see I was working on a C port but in the back of my head I slowly said "nooooooooooo" < 1388790399 70798 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388790981 452316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC 2013 results are in: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2013 < 1388790996 509831 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy. < 1388791025 251085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :SURLYSPAWN is part of the ANGRYNEIGHBOR family of radar retro-reflectors. | 22nd IOCCC results: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2013 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1388791171 240318 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This one-line C program accepts as a first command-line argument the last name of any of the last 31 US Presidents (from Franklin Pierce onwards), in lower case, and prints out their political affiliation." < 1388791258 290122 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(int riguing,char**acters){puts(1[acters-~!(*(int*)1[acters]%4796%275%riguing)]);} < 1388791320 100338 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1388791671 970166 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can almost see how that works < 1388791729 450820 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just glad i can get s far as understaning that 1[bullshit] is the same as bullshit[1]. < 1388791741 530187 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on how much I have misremembered the C spec, riging would always be 2 or 3 < 1388791747 400007 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 2 < 1388791758 580988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 4 < 1388791769 280130 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll trust olsner < 1388791771 317979 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1388791775 519980 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, why did we make a competiton for the most eye-bleedingly horrid C program. < 1388791776 530763 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait isn't it jsut argc < 1388791781 620519 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388791783 310535 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um because it rules?? < 1388791783 729928 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm. < 1388791794 710227 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but most of us deal with it daily. :( < 1388791812 900112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, on the other hand, can't understand how it took me this long to understand where "riguing" and "acters" came from. < 1388791816 930591 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, according to the hint.html it works with a different argc < 1388791818 53697 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's taking the first argument, casting it from a string to a pointer of ints < 1388791818 449743 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol. < 1388791848 890081 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1388791850 791157 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... it's casting 1 to a pointer to ints? < 1388791867 940097 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it's based on the first 4 characters < 1388791883 559820 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: link to the entry? < 1388791889 710333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1388791895 744162 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it takes 3 arguments < 1388791898 584452 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1388791909 942041 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what it was doing with argv[2]/argv[3] < 1388791933 899900 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ~!(*(int*)1[acters]%4796%275%riguing) must end up either -1 or -2? < 1388791951 240040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, again. < 1388791953 60704 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This entry takes a BMP image file of hand-drawn (mouse-drawn?) text, specified as the first command-line parameter, and converts it to an ASCII text document. " very nice. < 1388791960 889969 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: http://ioccc.org/2013/cable1/hint.html < 1388791963 970399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : god, why did we make a competiton for the most eye-bleedingly horrid C program. <-- you're asking this in a channel that has at least two previous winners... < 1388791965 498871 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume 2's complement, -b is ~b+1 < 1388791975 539865 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know Gregor, but who else? < 1388791979 449677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of cheaty how it needs the outputs as arguments. < 1388791984 571429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tromp_ < 1388791992 770066 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did he win/what for? < 1388791994 692544 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus -~x is ~~x+1 is x+1 < 1388792004 70005 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus. < 1388792011 890816 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shoot me. :P < 1388792030 120855 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought about entering but keep realising I know nought about C < 1388792042 719745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits LinearInterpol with the saucepan as the closest available approximation ===\__/ < 1388792046 981076 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Newcomers to C find it hard to learn all those different ways to control flow: for, while, if, do, goto, continue, break and heaven knows what else! So, in this program we only use for, so absolute beginners can get into the code straight away." thank goodness. < 1388792079 180745 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers use goto. < 1388792080 510639 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. < 1388792087 779890 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"main is the most useful function in all of C - so it is a mystery to the author why most programs use it only once. Here we use it over and over for maximum benefit." < 1388792151 281036 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ioccc.org/2013/cable2/cable2.c it's... it's so beautiful. < 1388792170 941101 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :erl -e 'map{map{print int(rand()*8);}(0..16);print chr(10);}(0..30);' | tr '[0-4]' ' '| ./birken < 1388792182 826680 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exactly the kind of bullshit people need to stop writing in perl < 1388792184 537105 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and includes #define $ for("IOCCC" #include... < 1388792206 970629 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god it's beautiful. < 1388792251 842493 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388792257 390514 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This entry weighs in at a magical 4043 bytes (8086 nibbles, 28,301 bits). It manages to implement most of the hardware in a 1980’s era IBM-PC using a few hundred fewer bits than the total number of transistors used to implement the original 8086 CPU." < 1388792259 901303 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (0..30) { for (0..16) { print int rand 8; } print "\n"; } < 1388792297 189955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tromp_ won in the 2012 contest, and i'd say for implementing an esolang. < 1388792299 60561 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you like living on the edge you can try building the emulator on a big endian machine, and you will get an emulation of a big endian 8086," hsh < 1388792309 360079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388792321 69757 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, I see < 1388792331 287077 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on something vaguely similar that overused gmp < 1388792334 981438 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has bugs < 1388792366 320907 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jebus. < 1388792384 720700 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :–64[T=1[O=32[L=(X=*Y&7)&1,o=X/2&1,l]=0,t=(c=y)&7,a=c/8&7,Y]>>6,g=~-T?y:(n)y,d=BX=y,l] < 1388792436 549627 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ioccc entry that compresses c source by making it incomprehensible < 1388792446 209861 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :~-T is an amusing way to test for 1 < 1388792464 42896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well there's a C compiler < 1388792472 499549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bellard.org/otcc/ < 1388792484 230147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabrice Motherfucking Bellard < 1388792540 209914 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Fucker < 1388792613 841843 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :int *Q,u,i,c,k,B,r=0,w,n,F=0,x,J,u,m,p,s=0,v,e,r,L,a,z,y,D,o,g; < 1388792634 33831 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the completely useless =0 in there < 1388792691 694895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It improves the readability of the code. < 1388792702 330120 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brwn and Jmpsver aren't nice words without the 0s < 1388792712 500625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this supposed to do something? < 1388792784 989907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, first of all it's supposed to impress the IOCCC judges. < 1388792846 70022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://twitpic.com/dr4b32 < 1388793008 420415 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the quickbrownfox one is an OCR program. < 1388793078 70011 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, there's a Lazy K implementation. < 1388793084 587988 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We liked this entry because it can serve as a standalone program as well as an include file" < 1388793200 70479 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388793220 830283 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huge memory may be required to compile the program (about 300 MB on my machine)" uh < 1388793237 490292 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388793254 791897 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388793557 457 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shaders are written in an interpreted language that supports basic arithmetic, a few math functions, variables and procedural call in the CPS (Continuation Passing Style)." < 1388793562 90399 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gonna keep quoting crap