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23:06:28 <nooga> aouch, emacs broke my left pinkie
23:06:58 <FreeFull> nooga: You shouldn't have used the default keybindings
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23:07:09 <FreeFull> They are very stressful if you are using an IBM keyboard
23:07:28 <nooga> yeah, I know about the caps-lock rebind trick
23:07:38 <nooga> but i don't want to apply it system wide
23:07:47 <fizzie> oerjan: There's size-specific rules here, too. Shops larger than 400 square metres have their own rules, and shops smaller than 100 square metres have the same rules as gas station shops smaller than 400 square metres.
23:07:51 <oerjan> kmc: also if by electoral quirks you mean having a proportional system where small parties are needed for stable coalitions.
23:07:57 <fizzie> oerjan: But you can make a bigger shop if it's attached to a gas station.
23:09:38 <oerjan> fizzie: ic. apparently so you can in norway too, although it's not as big a difference. small enough that small shops without gas stations are used, anyway.
23:10:09 <FireFly> nooga: any particular reason why not?
23:10:19 <fizzie> oerjan: 100 square metres is p. small for a shop, to be honest.
23:10:20 <nooga> that idea frightens me
23:11:08 <FireFly> The idea of having a key that causes one to textually scream frightens me more
23:11:26 <FreeFull> I should switch caps-lock to be shift-lock again
23:11:39 <oerjan> fizzie: yes it is, although it's enough for the kind of emergency articles you run to a shop on sunday to buy.
23:11:52 <FreeFull> I wish there was a nice keyboard layout editor
23:12:44 <fizzie> I just went to the nearby gas station shop yesterday, because it's (just barely, but still) the closest shop. Started to change batteries of the smoke detector, only to find that both spares had gone bad.
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23:13:08 <fizzie> (One had leaked innards out, and the other measured about 4.4 V out of the nominal 9 V.)
23:13:09 <nooga> i rebound the caps-lock
23:13:49 <fizzie> (Don't buy "Philips Powerlife" brand, I guess.)
23:13:56 <kmc> nooga: godless bike shops? http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/unkosher_wheels_friendly_faces
23:14:26 <fizzie> (Should've gone with "Philips Longlife" instead.)
23:14:54 <fizzie> Except I don't think I've seen those green "Longlife" ones except in this Google image search.
23:15:27 <nooga> I didn't say anything about godless bike shops
23:15:56 * oerjan thinks the smoke detector here is mains connected
23:16:10 <nooga> I don't even have one
23:16:32 <oerjan> in norway i'm pretty sure they're mandatory by law.
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23:17:02 <oerjan> also i may be breaking the law by not having unpacked the fire extinguisher that was in the closet.
23:17:15 <nooga> I never saw a legit fire in my life
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23:18:00 <olsner> hmm, rewatching babylon 5, I've realized that two main characters look almost exactly the same and I probably didn't realize they were different people the first time through
23:18:01 <oerjan> we did have a false alarm in this building before christmas, someone was making christmas food
23:18:22 <nooga> was it a goat head?
23:18:52 <oerjan> so i guess the irritation of not having to change batteries has been replaced by the irritation of possible false alarms from all the neighbors.
23:19:21 <nooga> false alarms drove me insane in edinburgh
23:19:28 <oerjan> nooga: i didn't ask. rather unlikely. it wasn't on christmas itself so probably cookies of some sort.
23:19:37 <impomatic> Has anyone tried AgonyWar? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Agony
23:19:56 <nooga> i'm glad that we don't use smoke detector in flats
23:20:11 <nooga> they're used in institutions and office buildings
23:21:37 <oerjan> nooga: i don't think goat/sheep heads are common christmas food around these parts.
23:22:37 <nooga> what about brunost?
23:23:00 <nooga> i love it on toast but it's hard to find here
23:23:49 <oerjan> but the two main christmas eve dish choices are pork rib and pinnekjøtt (salted sheep meat boiled over wooden sticks)
23:24:01 <oerjan> brunost is everyday food
23:25:16 <oerjan> of course there are a heap of other christmas dishes possible, some of which may be more common on other christmas days. lutefisk, cod, turkey...
23:26:41 <oerjan> (technically lutefisk is usually cod, but...)
23:28:22 <nooga> carp is mandatory here
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23:29:04 <nooga> and there's this annoying custom that people usually buy live carps and keep them in bathtubs
23:29:17 <nooga> and then try to kill and prepare them
23:29:32 <nooga> it usually goes horribly wrong
23:29:53 <oerjan> statistics from no.wikipedia: pork rib: about 60%, pinnekjøtt: about 33%
23:31:09 <oerjan> so i guess that's a pretty massive majority
23:33:46 <oerjan> nooga: i found a youtube link but it was disappointingly non-horrible.
23:37:03 <oerjan> oh found a proper table
23:39:15 <oerjan> pork rib: 56%, pinnekjøtt: 31%, turkey: 6%, other roasted pork: 4%, lutefisk: 2%, cod: 1%, venison: 1%
23:39:39 <oerjan> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julemat#Norge
23:43:03 <Sgeo> "Lich's Mirror has no effect if you concede the game. If you concede, you'll lose."
23:43:09 <Sgeo> Why is that an actual ruling
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23:47:13 <Sgeo> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83133
23:47:18 <Sgeo> How does that happen
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23:47:57 <FireFly> oerjan: hm, I take it "julbord" isn't as common in Norway, at least not on christmas eve?
23:48:03 <Sgeo> Oh, by actually having a huge library
23:48:55 <FireFly> Sgeo: wait, that isn't from one of the joke sets?
23:49:53 <FireFly> That *seems* broken to me, but I haven't played much MtG
23:49:53 <oerjan> FireFly: indeed, "julebord" is firmly associated to _pre_-christmas parties in norwegian.
23:51:38 <oerjan> in fact, the word essentially _means_ pre-christmas party. customarily with a christmas food buffet table but i don't think that's mandatory.
23:51:54 <olsner> our julbord also means the pre-christmas parties (like the kind that your office might send you on)
23:52:20 <olsner> but you also have a julbord on christmas
23:53:02 <oerjan> well we don't have it on christmas.
23:53:09 <fizzie> We've got two (smoke detectors). Actually, I think there's even some guideline that you should have one per every 60 square metres, and this place is something like 61.5.
23:53:14 <FireFly> shachaf: well, I don't remember if there's any way to somehow search the library for a card (i.e. if there are cards with such effects), but if there are it seems like it'd be easy to cause a win
23:53:54 <FireFly> Cards like "if x, you win the game" seem a bit hard to balance
23:55:30 <shachaf> I think there are cards with such effects, but you still need to draw one.
23:56:02 <shachaf> And you'll probably need quite a bit more than 200 cards, since you can only play these things on turn N.
23:56:14 <oerjan> there's also a concept of "juletrefest" mainly for the children, which can be either before or shortly after christmas. i think. i may not have been on one since i was a kid.
23:56:53 <shachaf> Unless you also have a way of putting things back into your library, I guess.
23:57:04 <oerjan> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juletrefest
23:58:40 <oerjan> (the word literally means "christmas tree party")