< 1391040125 45898 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1391040753 74634 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1391041141 995891 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.170.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1391041417 724216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1391042130 293664 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:427:b12e:41aa:ed38 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1391042136 877681 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1391042726 537066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1391042811 621629 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1391042864 818095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1391043036 394216 :Daniitha16_Diamo!~Daniitha1@186.167.242.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391043408 172115 :Daniitha16_Diamo!~Daniitha1@186.167.242.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1391043689 323689 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:427:b12e:41aa:ed38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391044423 704171 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1391045191 46559 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391045317 831404 :mekeor!~user@95-91-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1391047237 863605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1391048103 70973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1391048628 783577 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1391048739 573949 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1391048783 870067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lancekates < 1391048784 780703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04lancekates: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1391048815 151158 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this isn't quite the right place for it, but can I ask an ISO question? < 1391048822 459921 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured programmers would know) < 1391048825 688374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1391048880 634971 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I have ISOs for 6 CDroms. they all, together, install the same program. Broken apart, all of the info in the ISOs can fit on 1 dvd. If I install all the stuff onto one dvd, can I install off that dvd? or am I somehow required to waste another 5 discs? < 1391048906 242720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on how the program's installer is written < 1391048919 389582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it expects the files in an exact location on the disk filesystem, or will search around for them < 1391048927 929371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the former case, you could maybe still do it if the filenames are all different < 1391048955 215705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, how did you find #esoteric? < 1391048962 406590 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The filenames are all different. on disc 1 they are all xx1.blah.blah. all of disc 2 are xx2.blah.blah < 1391048992 953538 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I randomly picked an IRC server and, being a freemason, thought this might be good for a chat (thinking about the OTHER esoteric ;) ) < 1391048999 933020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1391049004 539671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, then just try dumping them all into a single ISO 9660 filesystem on a DVD and hope for the best < 1391049017 746676 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I read that y'all are programmers, I thought you might have tips. < 1391049019 560600 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one. :D < 1391049024 139089 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would this happen to be Baldur's Gate? < 1391049051 481586 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. wow, haven't heard of THAT game in years! < 1391049078 210008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lancekates: another option would be to burn the isos themselves to the DVD, and use some "virtual CD drive" program to mount them one by one < 1391049084 834159 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but 6 CDs. What else could it be, The Sims? :) < 1391049088 339285 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the day, I had an app that could make ISOs, so I backed up all of my pictures and documents. < 1391049096 546146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or skip the first part if they're already on the machine you want to install on =) < 1391049106 273546 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, since we've moved from CDs to DVDs, I thought I might try to reduce the collection. < 1391049142 24414 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this was back in the day, back when windows 98 was hot and new. < 1391049147 602508 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i read "ISO" as meaning t he standards commitee, wtf < 1391049162 362979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it is, indirectly. ISO 9660 < 1391049166 136092 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... all I know about that is iso9000 = paperwork. < 1391049173 873316 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if I could pry, what is esoteric? < 1391049175 162580 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need your sass < 1391049181 113665 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is that why it's "iso" < 1391049190 653128 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lancekates: the welcome message is informative, believe it or not < 1391049202 609650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to ask "what ISO? 9899? 14822? 9660? 10646? 3103?" < 1391049212 18200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think Riven came on 5 or 6 CDs, but you would swap them as you play, not install them < 1391049225 352442 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were going to ask about the standardization process itself < 1391049237 852382 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myst had a shitload of disks too. "also, final fantasy seven" < 1391049264 48308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my earliest computer memories is watching a friend's computer fascinated. the drive letters went up to /I/, man < 1391049264 246541 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, programming language, but what kind of programming? CAD/CAM, gaming, office solutions, etc < 1391049285 562798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless weird programming languages that we make and use for fun < 1391049286 664087 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have FFVII somewhere around here, but no playstation upon which to play it. < 1391049296 388629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For more information, check out our wiki: < 1391049337 319444 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a look. I haven't been hardcore into computers (other than using them) since college when I did some tech work, repair and sales. Now I just use them to work, study and do stuff for lodge. < 1391049338 83262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lancekates: Brainfuck is probably the most well-known esoteric language, although it's pretty boring compared to a lot of them < 1391049351 472081 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, ok. < 1391049375 462774 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well folks, I appreciate the help. I'll check out the wiki and once my plate is a little less full, I may look into learning something new. Have a good night, all. < 1391049381 306005 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :later < 1391049385 100226 :lancekates!~lancekate@ip68-228-164-24.ok.ok.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1391049444 488208 :J_S!~chatzilla@64-136-196-144.dyn.everestkc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1391049455 706411 :J_S!~chatzilla@64-136-196-144.dyn.everestkc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1391049479 562246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome J_S < 1391049480 387564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09J_S: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1391049494 345492 :J_S!~chatzilla@64-136-196-144.dyn.everestkc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on today < 1391049621 753190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot for me < 1391049685 971509 :J_S!~chatzilla@64-136-196-144.dyn.everestkc.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here, just enjoying a quiet evening with some loud music < 1391050445 714651 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1391050927 872509 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1391052405 836541 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1391053102 333004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1391053240 393412 :J_S!~chatzilla@64-136-196-144.dyn.everestkc.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310] < 1391056335 914880 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:427:b12e:41aa:ed38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391056543 323470 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:658d:f00f:712c:9db1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391056989 757334 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1391057630 52953 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1391058079 218270 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:658d:f00f:712c:9db1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391058826 963621 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assuming pizza | Use DiGiorno pizza instead" < 1391058837 844999 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha doesn't think DiGiorno pizza is pizza < 1391058889 895014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is what the message means. < 1391060111 2409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does W|A do product placement now < 1391060259 387294 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If only there was a deck that could both cast it and want to." < 1391060267 623117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about Destructive Flow) < 1391060306 993845 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a graph formalism that (at least roughly) corresponds to (at least some useful subset of) organic chemistry < 1391060370 764350 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PentacycloanammoxicAcid.png i'm pretty well doomed, but still < 1391061449 525284 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like trying to come up with sensible names for every possible this-kind-of-graph is probably doomed < 1391061515 76181 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe could be a case study in information linguistics though < 1391063746 187052 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1391065551 37014 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About Reset) < 1391065551 991892 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not at all out of colour - being really good is a blue ability." < 1391065580 919315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue is the scow of colors < 1391065626 761593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flat-bottomed boat with a blunt bow? < 1391065693 228386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow as in garbage scow < 1391065956 852365 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/securitymonkey/the-worlds-worst-penetration-test-report-by-scumbagpentester-58747 < 1391066146 516588 :frogsetsboy!cab1da3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.177.218.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391066154 458258 :frogsetsboy!cab1da3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.177.218.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1391066161 685510 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Duel of the Planeswalkers has an online play mode < 1391066176 170857 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They mention another customer's name by accident." haha < 1391066658 683449 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1391068021 180158 :SeeNoEvil!~chatzilla@ip-118-90-62-215.xdsl.xnet.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1391068451 794778 :SeeNoEvil!~chatzilla@ip-118-90-62-215.xdsl.xnet.co.nz PART :#esoteric < 1391070042 521155 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1391070159 277803 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391070480 446643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a card being literally almost useless in non-Commander affect its value much? < 1391070495 400067 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like Command Tower goes for around $1.50 < 1391070556 290784 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there is some sort of use for a do nothing land < 1391070648 982835 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1391071365 720197 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1391071425 613119 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1391071927 651691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MySQL configured to allow connections from 127.0.0.1. Recommend configuration change to not allow remote connections." this rules < 1391072795 183331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1391072826 374494 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7485/full/nature12954.html aw yeah < 1391072957 148814 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: And here’s a very informative picture: http://yle.fi/uutiset/suomalaistutkija_loysi_kauan_etsityn_yksinapaisen_magneetin/7059297 < 1391073065 592084 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phys.org used the same picture :3 < 1391073071 897605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :science thing especially shiny today, study finds < 1391073227 602601 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, deja vu < 1391073663 478957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the term bose-einstein condensate and is skeptical. < 1391073690 221239 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1391073762 877280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the last times i saw articles about magnetic monopoles "found", they were not fundamental particles but derived phenomena in a material. < 1391073774 316895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't magnetic monopoles the particles that the LHC would allegedly use to destroy the earth? < 1391073785 344911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no those were black holes. < 1391073798 88275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some of them at least < 1391073833 385147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i'll find someone on reddit later who explains why this is the same kind of non-fundamental stuff. < 1391073842 234896 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes a particle fundamental < 1391073847 570474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok elementary < 1391073859 414655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not composed of smaller ones? < 1391073881 539068 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear everything's made of strings, man < 1391073940 984579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous times the monopoles _were_ sort of string-made. < 1391073956 914480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they were really the poles of magnetic strings in the material. < 1391073966 739146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not "mono" for real. < 1391073993 586593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to think "real" has lost meaning at this level < 1391074059 313915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia mentioned "flux tubes" as one kind of false monopole (which was really a dipole with independently moving poles, or something) < 1391074135 806094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is, the behavior of materials is described by quantum field theory in the same way as fundamental physics qft, but they're _emergent_ qft's and have different, emergent particles. < 1391074233 432105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get things like look like magnetic monopoles in the emergent theory but are composed of smaller particles in the basic theory. < 1391074252 823776 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like... what kind of microscope do i need to see it to check < 1391074276 737878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. < 1391074283 859444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tilannetta voisi verrata kadonneiden autonavainten etsimiseen. Nyt on todistettu, että avaimet voivat olla olemassa. Tämä lisännee motivaatiota etsimiseen." < 1391074319 337774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one of those big electric ones? < 1391074406 191285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: electron microscopes are nice. i recall that john sidles guy i've seen commenting in some blogs works on some kind of quantum spin microscope, i'd suggest those. < 1391074428 295186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he just got banned from scott aaronson's blog again.) < 1391074468 524067 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a presentation on super (light) microscopes some weeks ago, it was weirdly retro < 1391074472 830227 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes they're actually called "super" < 1391074508 858890 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing light microscopy of like, proteins, is p. weird imo < 1391074540 99172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw he's weird but i don't think there is anything wrong with his actual work.) < 1391074550 832040 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume weird is why banned < 1391074584 271177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he got aaronson angry by ignoring the subject when called on being wrong. < 1391074638 116186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has this exuberant super-positive vibe always, but i think that extends to never admitting anything negative. < 1391074940 488924 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the "real" monopole supposed to be some new kind of elementary particle? < 1391075002 693175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this jsut reminds me that i had to drop my electrostatics class -_- < 1391075081 583844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah < 1391075532 326012 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand a thing < 1391075545 682146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is talking about these particles and stuff like they mean something < 1391075549 555707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1391075624 606426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 's ok i only understand half a thing < 1391075924 85780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used to say "vague" a lot more btw < 1391075941 607862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall i did < 1391075944 383393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this newfound confidence coming from < 1391076011 539994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't have precise recalls any more, so the vague became redundant hth < 1391076018 46440 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1391079378 769908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ a BLACK & EMPTY screen is a sign that your ''cache'' or "memory'' are overwhelmed and can't take any more -- or you may have conflicting ''cookies''. ]] < 1391079384 74734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to figure out why this Chrome has gotten the symptom that some pages show up entirely black (but the contents are there, links can be clicked and text copy-pasted) and also on first visit of such a page, one of the myriad Chrome processes goes into a "use 100% CPU and all memory" mode; killing the process has no observable effects.) < 1391079420 724485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While you are at it, switch-off both your modem and your router for about 30 seconds; then turn them back on again." < 1391079423 957846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Yahoo Answers. < 1391083480 67150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391085262 653355 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391085756 12876 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1391085778 604022 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://soundcloud.com/fredscott-1/this-is-a-trent-reznor-song < 1391086559 289600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, my mind's thinking of a sound cloud as an auditory version of a tag cloud < 1391086564 596141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, because that isn't even a concept that makes sense < 1391086689 84704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an art piece < 1391086798 730895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1391086887 241226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/CaproniCa.60.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Ca.60_under_costruction.jpg/1024px-Ca.60_under_costruction.jpg such a fancy plane < 1391086932 872149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The prototype only made one short flight on 4 March 1921 over Lake Maggiore in Italy. The aircraft attained an altitude of only 18 m (60 ft), then dived and crashed, breaking up on impact. -- Caproni had the wrecked airplane towed to shore, and announced that he would rebuild it, but that night it burned to ashes." < 1391087056 877783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a show on TV where they gave three teams of mechanical engineers some propellors, lots of wood, and a scrapheap from which to scavenge components, also World War I-era tools < 1391087061 260164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asked them to build aeroplanes < 1391087085 568147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all managed to build working aeroplanes in just two days, although only one of the teams was crazy enough to attempt to fly it more than a few metres off the ground < 1391088425 98798 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1391088500 345352 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1391088516 657211 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: junkyard wars, extreme version? < 1391088539 351829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, it was a special episode of Scrapheap Challenge, the UK series that Junkyard Wars is based on < 1391088655 788806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1391088716 329741 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391088988 124208 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good unsynchronized morning! < 1391089022 47239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon < 1391089178 930259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning! think i'll work today? < 1391089362 791294 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have any recent snowfalls? meteorite falls? alien falls? zombie falls? < 1391089533 184129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there were some very minor snowfalls here, the snow didn't settle < 1391089545 987246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't observe any meteorites, aliens, or zombies falling < 1391089637 295757 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:51c0:d851:2505:90e1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391089672 779201 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: just that one snowfall on monday! < 1391089687 51730 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. nothing to worry about, then. < 1391089691 447355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but it shut down the city for two days so far < 1391089723 282940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1391089834 445076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much the snow, but the ice on the roads and the wrecks < 1391090005 741698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wrecks would be a problem even without ice on them, wouldn't they? < 1391090043 56571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some day, it seems possible that my tendency to see the unintended parsing of a sentence will lead to problems) < 1391090177 196642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1391090291 509744 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ambiguously mapoles ais523 (but only lightly, as no particular offence was made) < 1391090309 159939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck mapole < 1391090309 389955 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1391090327 246797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :try wisdom < 1391090395 775680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1391090396 482576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. < 1391090400 227679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1391090554 61038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1391090885 564118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaurgh! when will the next Haskell Weekly News be? < 1391090970 867382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow < 1391090975 871075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should eat breakfast < 1391091017 942936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bring me breakfast in bed? < 1391091042 163737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: can I ais523ly misinterpret that? :D < 1391091057 802470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you usually get for breakfast? < 1391091063 872893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: only if you can carry a bed :D < 1391091080 572614 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was thinking more along the lines of a motorized bed. < 1391091083 215454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i usually eat cereal but i'm thinking of making eggs today < 1391091118 319788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs in the morning are good. two eggs, bacon, «patates rissolées», two toasts, a large glass of OJ and a cup of coffee. < 1391091146 361789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, my usual fare is the same as yours. a bowl of cereals with yogurt and a glass of juice. < 1391091173 181332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all sounds excellent < 1391091196 261689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what rissolees means, but i'm going to pretend it says hash browns < 1391091211 218999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lacuisinedestelle.unblog.fr/files/2009/06/dsc02809.jpg < 1391091255 456171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcdonald's hash browns are my hangover cure. < 1391091349 110281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that. yeah i've totally had that for breakfast < 1391091354 997391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just never made it myself < 1391091363 429956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know cuz cutting onions in the morning < 1391091364 600287 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh < 1391091394 357512 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mcdonald's "hash browns" are not hash browns < 1391091408 109340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash browns are fried on a griddle, not in a deep fryer < 1391091576 661630 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting onions in the morning is dangerous. there are more chances of me cutting a finger off than the onion itself. < 1391091662 169962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you every experienced the joy of waffle house < 1391091689 199951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391091744 471100 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, not yet. < 1391091749 923823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391091836 921754 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you ever come down this way... < 1391091912 84155 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exclaims: “WAFFLES!” < 1391092058 263066 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1391093347 254679 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1391093424 255398 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1391093579 151377 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1391093738 411238 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1391094328 705869 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/cybermatrix-100 < 1391094337 868635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently very angry with how my work is (or isn't) going < 1391094360 995047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have a copy of the proof that equivalence is decidable in typed lambda calculus handy? < 1391094426 171077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, simply typed < 1391094956 535800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it via Wikipedia < 1391095028 203643 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1391095070 575842 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6DB.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1391095085 524040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have learned a long time ago to psychologically prepare myself each time a link is presented in this chännel. < 1391095094 766960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: this is vile. < 1391095389 646821 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1391095460 230138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot could learn from the guy. "i only have diagrams. however, the processor it'll run on is a proprietary hardware containing 4 quantum engines about the size of a shooter marble." < 1391095460 576743 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: meh... it's not like you will starve because they ate your lunch, riastradh. :) i'm going to have to compete with common lisp < 1391095488 369752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is "quantum" a brand name that one should know?) < 1391095751 573171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you could do what I do, and avoid clicking links on IRC except in really extreme circumstances < 1391096331 313771 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is the quantic of a quantum? < 1391096331 530939 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( there are other implementations out there. one was a real wtf piece of string < 1391096344 588338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: string theory is indeed very wtfing. < 1391096344 887009 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: accomplish the same multiple tasks as reading from the second lisp interpreter i ever wrote a compiler for it < 1391096366 477900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can't resist the tempting allure of beautiful links. < 1391096388 319914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is yes < 1391096391 878411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do work today < 1391096400 371989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: for a while I actually configured my client to edit them out < 1391096402 959124 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :impromptu vacation over < 1391096443 901295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, I went for the less extreme option of just removing the coloration < 1391096457 576731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is link colouration? < 1391096471 643277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what are you working on? < 1391096482 921987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a PhD < 1391096487 535881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obvi < 1391096494 917462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's your thesis < 1391096507 149000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally about type systems for hardware compilation < 1391096517 39006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, none of the type systems actually seem to work :-( < 1391096530 129038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1391096543 399514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i quit my phd < 1391096560 262443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the fact that i was in bad mental and emotional state that leads to nonproductivity < 1391096705 726081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# spent 1.47s within main::recursive_id which was called 100001 times, avg 15µs/call: < 1391096707 160637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 100000 times (1.47s+-1.47s) by main::recursive_id at line 4, avg 0s/call < 1391096708 651472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# once (24µs+1.47s) by main::RUNTIME at line 7 < 1391096856 192306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this problem affects absolutely everything that wants to combine recursion and resource bounds < 1391096911 130318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that read 'this process took 1.47s plus or minus 1.47s'? < 1391096974 747819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, the recursive calls took 1.47 seconds directly, 0 seconds if you also include indirectly called functions < 1391096992 864182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the profilier interprets it as 1.47 seconds for the recursive calls and -1.47 seconds for its children < 1391097033 887795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way to make the numbers add up < 1391097084 330346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes zero sense :D < 1391097109 311103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and my research doesn't like it either < 1391097177 815968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do something as simple as \f.f(f(0)) (of type (int->int)->int), in a call by name system, it's easy to prove that the amount of time the function spends calling its argument is more than the amount of time it spends running in total < 1391097250 463476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, of course. everyone knows that parts of processes take more time than the whole process together < 1391097259 319776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because two copies of the argument run concurently < 1391097301 23691 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391097303 688101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :concurrency is weird, but i'm not sure that's a sensible way to model it < 1391097316 323182 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1391097405 914062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what /is/ a sensible way to model it, though < 1391097569 881675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither. i take it sums and averages behave badly < 1391097619 336004 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-calculus ? < 1391097690 555986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: actually using process calculi is a common method of working round these problems < 1391098096 367122 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1391098120 707368 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1391099539 41489 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1391100796 758693 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391100805 623125 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey hey < 1391100823 805094 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I require some MIPS assistance! < 1391100845 232277 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are currently doing some exception handler thing < 1391100888 498832 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the function does not work so well (it's a task manager) < 1391100907 549333 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I said "Fuck it!" < 1391100908 114719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mipsistance < 1391100910 263447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused already :-( < 1391100916 940114 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will deal with it later" < 1391100920 797333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, does this program have anything to do with MIPS in particular? < 1391100926 579329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from running on it? < 1391100938 959421 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is written in mips yes < 1391100955 224040 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I cheated < 1391100963 187423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought MIPS was a processor, not a language < 1391100972 853903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also a fictional rabbit, but that's unlikely to be the meaning you mean) < 1391100981 728064 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips assembly < 1391100995 655875 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running on a virtual machine < 1391101031 652078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1391101056 880757 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as I said, fuck it < 1391101073 335998 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the task manager I would deal with later < 1391101101 703297 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just did a load address to the next task on some register < 1391101105 195423 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it in EPC < 1391101105 375323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's later isn't it < 1391101118 560800 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And did an eret < 1391101130 328045 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1391101130 508252 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not work! < 1391101166 740947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...there are people here who grok MIPS? < 1391101185 136720 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I thought the problem came from the timer that triggered the interrupt, so I reset it to 0 < 1391101191 249637 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still no luck < 1391101213 486140 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mips is taught to most computer people < 1391101242 35899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's true < 1391101253 715913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I know multiple asms but not MIPS < 1391101282 187944 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initials stand for "MIPS Is Popular in School" < 1391101316 727625 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what the #esoteric people told me last time! < 1391101359 128642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'm not sure what asm architecture you're meant to start with < 1391101366 245321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at university they taught us PIC16F asm < 1391101394 560521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of weird because it has one register (two if you count the stack pointer, but that's three bits long) and less than a kilobyte of memory < 1391101402 21214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the instruction counter is memory-mapped rather than being a register < 1391101412 418475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or if you look at it a different way, the /entirety of memory/ is registers) < 1391101434 341659 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's fast! < 1391101445 336745 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they physically are registers < 1391101453 689765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually like a quarter the memory addresses are memory-mapped to something, but according to the docs it's perfectly OK to use them to store values if they're not going to get spontaneously overwritten < 1391101477 560152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think all instructions run in exactly two cycles, apart from jumps that take 4 < 1391101500 969661 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like a processor that does not give a fuck < 1391101546 785948 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get a mips debugger tonight, see what's up < 1391101570 440404 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a rather poor mips course < 1391101584 936885 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did not actually program any function on a computer < 1391101589 125510 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All paper < 1391101613 752682 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we had to write an entire program ourselves < 1391102235 248966 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1391102286 31132 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1391103378 931420 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.170.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391103379 150245 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.170.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391103391 483528 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.170.82 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1391103401 551147 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.170.82 NICK :nooodl < 1391103837 472471 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391103837 652395 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.224 QUIT :Client Quit < 1391104374 256632 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.170.82 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1391105553 436022 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21876.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1391105557 205250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Georgia Tech, the relevant class has us build a microprocessor in some logic hardware design program, and write the FSM for it, then create an assembly language and assembler for it, then write assembly programs targeted to it < 1391105565 768591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we never learned any "real" assembly languages < 1391105617 178999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1391105634 772075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more real to me than writing mips code and having it run on the spim emulator :) < 1391105659 367536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mips < 1391105660 207797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS Is Popular in Schools. < 1391105676 526814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spim < 1391105677 300374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spim? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1391105751 660755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom < 1391105752 445157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `? \ \ _̰̆̓_̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_̯͙̬̬̦̯͂͋͒ͧ͋̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ \ \ ⌨ \ ⊥ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚҉̕͜͠͠ < 1391105779 414353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'SPIM Pretends It's MIPS' > wisdom/spim < 1391105780 28732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1391105790 362579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "SPIM Pretends It's MIPS" > wisdom/spim < 1391105791 935951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391105880 771020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spim < 1391105881 681987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIM Pretends It's MIPS < 1391105925 498868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't have errored it the first time if you'd used `learn :P < 1391105950 438281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is `` an alias for `run? neat < 1391105970 226604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1391105970 796401 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" < 1391105985 789811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure whether that's intentional or not. < 1391106017 292736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1391106033 167668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, `run is built into the bot. `` executes bin/` < 1391106086 579392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn < 1391106087 100650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ info=$(echo "$1" | sed 's/[^ ]* //') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." < 1391106196 661823 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and there are new wisdom entries. < 1391106230 194591 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, `learn looks strange. < 1391106263 106953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and darn, is there a new URL for http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ ? Gregor? < 1391106344 287403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. $1 is the whole string, an then it makes sense. Though it's kind of funny that it bothers to calculate $info and then uses $1 for the contents anyway :) < 1391106350 442690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an/and/ < 1391106631 50841 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ethen is an ettin that happens after. < 1391106713 982791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what didst thou et? < 1391106775 516060 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vietnamese soup with chicken gizzard, heart, liver and white meat. < 1391106809 522403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1391106810 289539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ Test.o \ this \ UNPA \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1391106814 110670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wisdom ls look a lot like mojibake, but I don't understand the encodings < 1391106818 214952 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we were 10 colleagues who went to a nice restaurant to celebrate Tết) < 1391106821 215558 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste canary < 1391106821 974171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/canary < 1391106824 444618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's mojibake for a particularly weird character set < 1391106830 395610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is, actually < 1391106832 331572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary < 1391106832 877804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1391106838 904386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you really don't need to pastebin that :-) < 1391106850 612882 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the mojibake is intentional. I had a fun time transcribing it into \LaTeX{}. < 1391106855 80867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah right < 1391106861 189879 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was thinking of ways to figure out and darn, is there a new URL for http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ ? Gregor? < 1391106872 369803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot half the entries in wisdom were for the purpose of trolling you < 1391106874 257574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and every one has Tếttin the same thing? < 1391106878 739213 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the off chance that the URL wouldn't be hardcoded < 1391106881 453186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one it outputs) < 1391106916 121430 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh no. a few had regular phở, others lunch combos, and the rest bún thịt nương. < 1391106919 772434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wisdom is for fun < 1391106964 100194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, when i tried to use it to be serious, it got deleted. lesson learned. < 1391106967 281430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is entirely too light-hearted for me :-( < 1391106991 887228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1391106992 495397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1391107001 669774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:-D < 1391107002 265997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :-D: not found < 1391107021 886899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :-D < 1391107022 550083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: :-D: command not found < 1391107027 741522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls :-D < 1391107032 826627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls :-D < 1391107033 413685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-D < 1391107049 28777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D < 1391107049 602862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391107062 813151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D/:-D < 1391107063 330198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: :-D/:-D: Not a directory < 1391107072 879221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1391107080 232267 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like an empty dir < 1391107097 720718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat :-D < 1391107098 294965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: `:-D' \ Size: 1 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 12h/18d Inode: 664672 Links: 1 \ Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2014-01-30 18:37:27.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2013-11-13 20:20:49.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2014-01-29 12:39:20.000000000 +0000 \ B < 1391107111 745583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`od :-D < 1391107112 335233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 000012 \ 0000001 < 1391107125 895210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a newline :) < 1391107144 838218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ☺ > :-D < 1391107146 422940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391107151 875720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone did `touch :-D < 1391107171 225053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo :-D < 1391107171 773725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-D < 1391107181 472596 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D < 1391107181 973002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☺ < 1391107182 423988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch doesn't insert a newline < 1391107183 425663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: echo > :-D would be my guess. 'touch' creates empty files. < 1391107199 120704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the file does not exist. obviously.) < 1391107200 254165 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6DB.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1391107208 383993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a smileyface available seems actually useful < 1391107224 584407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> :-D < 1391107235 15649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a more amusing way to get an empty file named ":-D" < 1391107250 979622 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nod -Ax -tx1z -v $@' >bin/hd < 1391107252 536769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391107256 734498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod 0755 bin/hd < 1391107258 554211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391107263 672429 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hd :-D < 1391107264 189576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000 e2 98 ba 0a >....< \ 000004 < 1391107270 67535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah, much better. < 1391107282 816375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexdump? < 1391107285 915088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "hex dump", not "head". < 1391107311 9647 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have it as an alias in my .bashrc. it's more interesting to have it as hex than octal. < 1391107318 291656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/than/rather than/ < 1391107332 811531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :than was fine < 1391107346 945437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of going to the boardgame night tomorrow night < 1391107349 995537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working instead < 1391107352 267843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid snow < 1391107408 196751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe leave off the 'z' though? < 1391107491 227940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, boardgame nights are goot nights :D < 1391107519 110078 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I spent a large portion of last Saturday playing eclipse with my bro and his girlfriend.) < 1391107534 671407 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oot/ood/ < 1391107575 788316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like board games that much but i enjoy boardgame nights cause it seems to be the standard sort of social event among people i like and people who are like me < 1391107643 531571 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, I was thinking of ways to figure out and darn, is there a new URL for http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ ? Gregor? // Whoops :) < 1391107649 863558 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw it on the pile of things to fix ^^´ < 1391107656 126923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what does “z” do? < 1391107702 551156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: add printable characters at the end < 1391107733 423135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like the abstract strategy classics, and games with large hexagons. < 1391107779 469837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most games just make me feel stupid :/ < 1391107779 908566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: (that's the >....< part above. It's useful on a shell, but looks confusing on IRC, imho. < 1391107785 791322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1391107818 453932 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: good point. and thanks for unfungotting your parenthesises. < 1391107818 670224 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but for s-expression editing and alignment ( not indentation!) < 1391107819 886188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yay hex boards. but risk is good too. or square tile games like carcassonne < 1391107842 830533 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed. carcassonne is an hex game that has identity troubles, imho. < 1391107866 780270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you should try eclipse some day. that thing is addictive. < 1391107873 268682 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: or card games like hanabi or tichu :D < 1391108042 491866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot just picked up a level 481 weapon in IdleRPG :D < 1391108215 83700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just hit me how long I've been out of touch with Magic: the Gathering really: < 1391108241 823940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last set I've bought cards from is Scars, which is now three years ago < 1391108259 229488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: microbricks board games! http://microbricks.blogspot.com/2009/02/its-all-fun-and-games-until-someone.html < 1391108332 734820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Scars is /recent/ for me < 1391108343 399216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last set I've bought cards from is Lorwyn < 1391108357 248822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, as I've been out of touch, Scars is also recent for me < 1391108376 262200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still three years ago < 1391108444 159088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm of the opinion that Magic would be a better game if they just kept tweaking in an attempt to make the best format they could, rather than trying to reinventing the game every three months < 1391108461 415172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then how would they sell new cards < 1391108481 432122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem :-( < 1391108494 372660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't sell new cards to me anyway, though < 1391108509 844344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think just tweaking would lead to a good game, < 1391108591 367083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well starting from scratch is likely to be even worse < 1391108594 121788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG is appealing because there's such a large choice of cards, so new cards _are_ good for it, < 1391108623 903852 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've been told by the HR rep. at my new job to brin my decks :D < 1391108624 309906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not really reinvented that fast if you're only a casual player and don't try to go for Standard. < 1391108652 120481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying the current system is perfect, but it's not that bad really. < 1391108659 307490 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/brin/bring/ < 1391108671 322295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: really? what kind of job is that? < 1391108671 618868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear i should start getting dressed < 1391108689 570832 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: holy fungot that looks awesome. < 1391108689 787161 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i predict my question will be forgotten in a few < 1391108695 868777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did they want to see your decks before or after they decide to hire you? < 1391108700 570788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (re. the microbricks. not you being nude.) < 1391108706 890930 :SeeNoEvil!~chatzilla@ip-118-90-62-215.xdsl.xnet.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1391108717 246010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not nude. but i will be in a moment. and then i will look awesome. < 1391108725 89952 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't worry, I already forgot what it was to be forgotten. < 1391108730 840960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot nude fungots in your area < 1391108731 149761 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ tuppersself-referentialformula.html is a cheat, though, that one < 1391108738 208137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also, from now on, quadrilaterals will be called "tetrapleurs" < 1391108745 335956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ha ha ha :D after. I signed the contract yesterday night. < 1391108768 274739 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tetrapleur is the new name of quadrilaterals. < 1391108770 367546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1391108775 77253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: get me a job < 1391108809 334795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'll be doing CAD for dentists. < 1391108818 964443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I did mention M:tG in my cv (because, you know, I don't really have any better hobbies I can show off), but I don't think it mattered much < 1391108823 223688 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.workopolis.com/FR/recherche-emploi/emplois?s_kwcid=TC|7918|workopolis||S|e|19220852949&lg=fr&gclid=CJz5mZfMprwCFa5DMgodRgsAsA < 1391108836 850564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing hobbies in CVs is weird < 1391108842 818376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's a thing but it's still weird < 1391108853 449804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why is it wierd? < 1391108855 732738 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do list the fact I have a certificate in Japanese, and classical piano. < 1391108875 181114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: those are marketable skills < 1391108892 254464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Don't you mean \"tetrapleur\"?" > wisdom/quadrilateral < 1391108897 813119 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Don't you mean \"tetrapleur\"?" > wisdom/quadrilateral < 1391108898 266752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's usually not relevant to the jobs you're applying for < 1391108904 303968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1391108916 605504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\me is bad at life < 1391108942 651763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :``echo "Don't you mean \"tetrapleur\"?" > wisdom/quadrilateral < 1391108943 538269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found < 1391108946 587739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because selecting employees for "culture fit" or whatever is a great way for unintentional bias to sneak in < 1391108949 952569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a space after the `` < 1391108957 686355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "Don't you mean \"tetrapleur\"?" > wisdom/quadrilateral < 1391108960 623495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391108969 736687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and if you're being cynical, a great way for intentional bias to sneak in without being detected < 1391108972 747924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right. should have known. < 1391108974 932754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1391108977 622402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the college admissions essay was invented in the 20s to keep Jews out of Harvard < 1391109062 977837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but consider that I'm young and didn't have much work experience when applying, but I do have to write something in the cv so that was two lines of padding < 1391109072 430730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your next language idea: brainfungot < 1391109072 704415 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ah. sorry, i thought i'd use scheme again. < 1391109078 133805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, I'm not faulting you for it or anything, I just think it's a weird practice overall < 1391109085 201479 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently it shall be a scheme derivative) < 1391109103 575499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a silly idea < 1391109114 494217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp derivative that's neither imperative nor functional < 1391109123 351922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's probably just Prolog < 1391109130 157197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it < 1391109132 919338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Reasoned Schemer is a fun book < 1391109142 698936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I need something that starts with “y” for my next language. I created “betterave”, “aubergine” and then “zucchini”, so the next one'll be a vegetable with “y”. < 1391109150 244348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about a concatenative lisp? < 1391109155 878550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: will programs with balanced parentheses be rejected as syntactically incorrect? < 1391109164 770967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most concatenative languages are imperative and/or functional, aren't they? < 1391109168 891052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is a much better homoiconic language than Lisp is, because it's almost entirely homoiconic (only exception I know of is :-) without being ugly < 1391109170 596767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: isn't that sort of a contradiction? < 1391109170 843567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these paradigms aren't really mutually exclusive < 1391109182 511526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you can argue that logic programming is fundamentally non-imperative < 1391109191 109953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, that's the first time I've ever tried to write a ":-" at the end of a paren group and created a smiley by mistake as a result < 1391109219 643302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about cut? < 1391109223 137377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in prolog, ':-' is just an ordinary infix operator too syntax-wise < 1391109224 879563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a functional logic language? maybe one where unification variables can take on function (or predicate) values < 1391109232 638775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it very hard to describe what cut does in non-imperative terms < 1391109233 724554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is "homoiconic" and is $ homoiconic? < 1391109236 375018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, that's true < 1391109254 792237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn how Twelf works one of these days < 1391109258 169569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: homoiconic languages are languages where there's no distinction between parse trees of the source, and data manipulated by the language < 1391109268 549200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is the most famous example < 1391109278 155848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like langugaes being homoiconic though < 1391109284 830306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1391109305 76014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tolerate them because they exist for historical reasons, but I don't like them < 1391109309 604644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would you call eodermdrome < 1391109329 742804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot eodermdrome? < 1391109329 994769 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway i was happily using a fnord is a good thing. < 1391109352 657070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Mercury is described as a functional logic language < 1391109353 859614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome is a language where code is blurred with data in a different way < 1391109367 66961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "eodermdrone" really? < 1391109368 865345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very hard to manipulate graphs in eodermdrome < 1391109372 635728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome < 1391109378 452519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Rust is the third Google hit for "mercury programming language" o_O < 1391109395 832238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a macro in my IRC client for linking to esolangs < 1391109401 656495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes up a lot, when the channel's actually ontopic < 1391109408 247567 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and what is cpressey's crazy metacircular interpreter thingamabob i can't remember the name of < 1391109459 58617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yams. or yucca. < 1391109475 933690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, but if it's a) by cpressey and b) not specifically designed to have a particular classification, it's probably unclassifiable < 1391109500 212792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey and I have a similar tastes for beauty in esolangs < 1391109500 392548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a distinction between a metacircular interpreter and a merely self-hosting one? i've heard of such a distinction but wondering what this channel thinks < 1391109524 366519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is in Feather, I think < 1391109540 36737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck yucca < 1391109540 416086 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yucca definition: any of a genus ('''Yucca''') of sometimes arborescent plants of the agave family that occur in warm regions chiefly of western North America and have long sword-shaped often stiff fibrous-margined leaves on a usually woody base and bear a large panicle of white blossoms. < 1391109548 507848 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yucca it is. < 1391109557 617830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: incidentally, I think prolog is homoiconic in a much more serious way than scheme. < 1391109566 878291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: elliott: Sgeo: you're all in the 4 days notice for deregistration from Agora < 1391109584 687374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, the arithmetic is a good example of that < 1391109637 367650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not just arithmetic < 1391109641 21015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and then courge musqeé because it makes the best pies! < 1391109650 622974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's why I said "example" < 1391109661 570889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1391109680 101747 :SeeNoEvil!~chatzilla@ip-118-90-62-215.xdsl.xnet.co.nz PART :#esoteric < 1391109687 184456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, even better than pie of citrouille < 1391109709 653379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“pie of citrouille”. c'est parce que tsé, ça se dit pas genre vraiment très de même, là là. < 1391109729 575676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/qeé/quée/ < 1391109754 30212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one requirement for a homoiconic language is that it has an eval < 1391109765 38696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… would you consider Underload homoiconic? < 1391109806 134078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the distinction in Feather? < 1391109813 894294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not entirely sure < 1391109843 304011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather is one of those esolang ideas that probably actually works but I have no idea how < 1391109857 685749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads < 1391109866 248245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also something of a meme in this channel < 1391109869 9835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I refuse to work on it < 1391109870 6203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is postscript homoiconic? < 1391109885 293953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't really know postscript, although given that it's concatenative, it has a chance < 1391109894 7109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm allowed to mix languages. and walk with squashes on my legs < 1391109915 541012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distinction i've heard is that a metacircular interpreter is a self-hosting interpreter which represents (some of) the object language's constructs using exactly the same way in the meta-language < 1391109935 751652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: eh? < 1391109952 36328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a Scheme interpreter in Scheme but if your representation for a cons pair is not a cons pair, then it's not metacircular < 1391109962 375492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and then daikon. the only vegetable that starts with d < 1391109990 768964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except even the famous metacircular evaluator in SICP doesn't represent everything this way < 1391110004 382566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause you want to be explicit about closures and environments < 1391110004 724672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the 大根 will be glorious. I mean, so far through the alphabet, I'll have some experience designing languages. < 1391110032 354613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xigua? < 1391110046 542066 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've gotta go back and forth < 1391110056 19031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1391110067 19745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the last one will be n < 1391110069 937170 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1391110081 431509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what starts with n < 1391110115 743438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1391110138 777417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :la navet! < 1391110151 434641 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: xigua? as in 西瓜? < 1391110155 627406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1391110162 155072 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: «navet» is masculin, so «le navet». < 1391110169 654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1391110178 137466 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :西瓜 is watermelon. < 1391110186 544936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time you have that many languages you'll be misgendering things just for fun < 1391110192 495624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: chinese watermelon! < 1391110195 374265 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :xigua < 1391110208 288482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best possible dessert < 1391110228 76040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree! oranges are better! nah! < 1391110245 247486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i disagree too. i like sherbets < 1391110340 558117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what kind of orange? navel? mandarin? clementine? < 1391110401 648224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :navel. < 1391110457 463861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe you should do navel orange for your last language. assuming you're willing to branch out into fruits < 1391110512 627253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, this eodermdrone looks like it's not very convenient to write programs in < 1391110516 458705 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will make a derivative called navy blues < 1391110520 597996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's typical of esolangs < 1391110526 198125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1391110532 461712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though some of them fail < 1391110546 435858 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: to branch off into fruits. I see what you did there... < 1391110585 875765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes. i did some branch prediction. < 1391110623 838908 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles quintopia with a mapole branch < 1391110652 573009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: my goal in esolang designs is basically to discover new models of computation < 1391110671 985098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: all turing-complete esolangs are trivial to program in once you've built a compiler from some more common language. < 1391110677 399310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, most of the time most of them are useless, but at least it's expanding the horizons of possibility < 1391110700 232233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if it's O(2^(2^n)) it's a pain to debug, though < 1391110715 376542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sure < 1391110734 205983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? don't esolangers have a ton of free time on their hands? < 1391110765 827323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah but it's hard to grasp just how stupidly slow that computational class is < 1391110777 915395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, all you have to do is write a proof that your compiler works. who cares if the programs it generates ever get run. < 1391110799 755404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm just annoyed because every time I do that, the compiler turns out not to work < 1391110878 441768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: be more perfect. < 1391111049 772436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, actually < 1391111074 971293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does eodermdrone allow non-ascii letters? < 1391111084 606685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I left that unspecified < 1391111092 47131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a challenge if you try to avoi them < 1391111099 697090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the number of letters wouldn't be limited to 26, it might not be as difficult to program as I first thought < 1391111134 363865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me thinnk < 1391111242 720464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think you could simulate a sane pointer machine in eodermdrone not in a not too difficult way, though you might need more than 26 letters < 1391111389 773374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a BCT interp in less than 26 on the article < 1391111417 282800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but BCT itself isn't easy to program in, < 1391111446 934588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a pointer machine is, in the sense that you can compile or interpret a program from a sane language in O(n log n) time, < 1391111481 632014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the runtime of the pointer machine would be O(n log n) if n is the runtime of the original program, < 1391111529 780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pointer machine is sort of efficiently simulated by eodermdrone in that it needs only a constant number of replacements for each statement in the pointer machine. < 1391111559 72058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if you compile something to BCT that I think can cause a quadratic slowdown < 1391111584 93088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand BCT, mind you < 1391111596 18535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description on esolang wiki isn't too clear < 1391111614 584460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you could try reading http://esolangs.org/wiki/DownRight < 1391111633 361502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is TC for much the same reason < 1391111750 709608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's just that you don't understand the explanation, there's another explanation in the example program on http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow (although StackFlow is unrelated, apart from having a BCT interp) < 1391111778 32406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that I don't understand the DEFINITION of BCT < 1391111800 228957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check if there's a small interpreter in a sane language for it < 1391111804 786629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you understand cyclic tag? < 1391111809 488688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1391111813 367761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, is the problem with BCT the syntax or cyclic tag the langauge < 1391111827 920972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the StackFlow program has another explanation of the definition, but I can try to do it in-channel if you like < 1391111828 394013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the CT language < 1391111841 573512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have a program, and one queue < 1391111849 909840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queue contains "run" and "skip" < 1391111863 763018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeatedly, you pop the queue, if you pop a "skip" you move to the next comman in the program < 1391111865 316707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, the wiki doesn't point to any non-obfuscated interpreter < 1391111885 155731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you pop a "run" you enqueue all the elements of the current command, and then after that move to the next command in the program < 1391111886 651969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha'ts it < 1391111888 152147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's < 1391111906 145629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "current command" mean? < 1391111938 883713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an IP < 1391111941 821784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts at the first command < 1391111949 957521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and goes back to the start if it moves off the end < 1391111972 825099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but then what does all elements of the current command mean? isn't the current command a single bit in the program? < 1391111980 994331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1391111983 266724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an entire string < 1391111994 419499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what type is the program then? < 1391111998 316685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the BCT encoding, the string is (IIRC) made out of 10 and 11, separated with 0 < 1391112013 170152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program is "cyclic list of lists of queue elements" < 1391112035 41192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1391112044 819055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand but it's sort of clearer now < 1391112056 413571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd like to see is a non-optimized non-obfuscated implementation really < 1391112117 652127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Perl cyclic tag interp for the Wolfram Turing machine thing, but it's actually really hacky < 1391113952 380115 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391114028 186950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1391114301 107080 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellởrjan < 1391115813 822841 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bøhily < 1391116921 675807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoifly < 1391116951 198195 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1391116978 167629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was that a hello-FireFly-boily combo twh? < 1391117005 44412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1391117272 544839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1391117272 889128 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 302120Z 07006KT 040V100 CAVOK M02/M10 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 14007G17KT < 1391117296 637597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say our ridiculously dry weather may last till mid february < 1391117319 243985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1391117319 585776 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 302100Z 14010KT 15SM FEW140 BKN210 M05/M12 A3013 RMK AC2CI5 SLP206 < 1391117351 855265 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're having a record dry January. there's less than a third of our regular snow. < 1391117571 710902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are we. < 1391117646 398226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with accompanying wildfires. < 1391117691 564753 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :January wildfires? you sure you're in the right hemisphere? < 1391117741 957818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1391117758 884120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's ridiculous. they've temporarily outlawed outdoor fires now. < 1391117790 935812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so dry the heath is burning at below freezing degrees < 1391117835 599642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first wildfire burnt 55 houses on a small peninsula < 1391117867 405473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not just in one place, either, it spread to 3 different villages.) < 1391117875 884588 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@154.5.185.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391117909 307489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second wildfire is on a bigger island, they've managed to keep it away from settlements so far. < 1391117998 215834 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1391117998 575327 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 302120Z 13013KT 9999 BKN016 M03/M06 Q1028 R01L/410153 R08/410150 R01R/410159 TEMPO BKN013 < 1391117999 20018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :miraculously no one has died yet. < 1391118019 424078 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly is living in a moist Sweden. < 1391118029 419578 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's good. < 1391118041 941878 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out which of the numbers is moistness < 1391118072 461228 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :moisture* is probably the correct word < 1391118122 488613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait there were 3 wildfires, also that one in lærdal a couple weeks ago. which got some international coverage. < 1391118125 463695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's actually finally snowy sweden (mostly, anyway) < 1391118166 543118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the /M06 dewpoint thing < 1391118171 153573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildfires in norway? at this time that is actually ridiculous :S < 1391118177 520498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yep < 1391118182 809829 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha < 1391118326 898804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say it's because of the huge high-pressure area in western russia < 1391118365 873661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps all the moist low-pressure areas from entering < 1391118453 287098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1391118453 672358 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 302120Z 13009KT 9999 FEW014 M12/M16 Q1040 NOSIG < 1391118492 604578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the dewpoint tells how dry the air is, iiuc < 1391118505 564427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :newspapers were warning for the RUSSIAN COLD here earlier, maybe you got the RUSSIAN DROUGHT instead < 1391118521 43933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Norwegian fires have been making the headlines in Finnish papers. < 1391118611 332165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently nothing about it in sweden ... it's more interesting that someone made a web site for searching public court documents < 1391118638 693838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and 600 cases of norovirus < 1391118930 434978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Swedish website made the news here, too. < 1391118943 979614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about how it'd be unambiguously illegal in Finland and whatnot. < 1391118959 612234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least according to a Noted Expert in Something or Other. < 1391118989 533474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor of somethingology < 1391119011 273822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think anything based on public documents (which the site *claimed* to be) would at least have to be ambiguously illegal < 1391119033 271194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe only The Government has the right to spread public documents < 1391119374 784366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391119626 388258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in norway there was just some noise with someone complaining about mobile banking apps having too much access to the phone < 1391119849 423221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the answer my bank gave, it seems android apps have the misfeature that they have to ask for all capabilities at installation, even those needed only for optional features. < 1391119937 187804 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, all apps ask for all permissions and usually get them < 1391119977 357072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while iphone only asked for a permission once it needed to use it < 1391120106 768075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um the bank app definitely didn't ask for all permissions, just what it might need - it was just more than you'd expect. also that android didn't support getting the contact list without automatically getting the list of messages. < 1391120146 163202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in older versions, anyway) < 1391120149 125730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "all" < 1391121170 241598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn < 1391121170 937601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ info=$(echo "$1" | sed 's/[^ ]* //') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." < 1391121194 163887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 3d bin/learn < 1391121195 909838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391121198 472467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn < 1391121199 145789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." < 1391121273 44976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the info was both unused and out of date, anyway. < 1391121352 390370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and darn, is there a new URL for http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ ? Gregor? <-- AAAARGH < 1391121370 630298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think people are AAAAARGHing at you. < 1391121390 433884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1391121390 613563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1391121412 542519 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mAAARGHpoles boily < 1391121555 675268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor it's one thing to remove HackEgo's access to the logs, a completely different thing to remove our ability to browse the repository for vandalism < 1391121555 854902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1391121670 792730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: clearly the end times are near < 1391121726 416201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nigh < 1391121751 754206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh near and next are originally inflexions of nigh < 1391121916 676164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/learn < 1391121917 531497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/learn < 1391121937 733800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old version :( < 1391121947 803135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. 'tis sad. < 1391121960 547924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor also breaks `paste < 1391121960 727605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1391121978 841916 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH (for good measure) < 1391121979 21886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1391122016 22250 :namaskar__!~namaskar@host81-155-189-163.range81-155.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1391122078 825269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I caught myself wondering if matrix transposition was a contravariant endofunctor on the category formed by matrix multiplication < 1391122094 364544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I realised I don't actually have much idea what that would entail < 1391122140 854207 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@93.114.40.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1391122165 136960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you woke up relieved that you didn't actually wonder about that in reality? < 1391122166 175105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm yes, i think it is. < 1391122300 408059 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21876.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1391122358 999471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is evolving into an Abstract Mathematician! < 1391122366 449663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is knowing that particularly useful? < 1391122371 136642 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't "remove" anything, I'm just moving it to a new server and it's taking some work. Don't panic X-D < 1391122401 198681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can i at least flail? < 1391122419 681201 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you're dignified about it. < 1391122437 876593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1391122445 718290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: isn't a mapole pretty similar to a flail? < 1391122446 843848 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 doctors out off 10 recommend a daily dose of flailing. < 1391122467 143381 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's more rigit, and goes into the polearms category. you're thinking of halberds. < 1391122473 157038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/git/gid/ < 1391122484 306394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: iirc it generalizes to adjoints of linear transformations < 1391122492 838558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does restricting the matrices to have a non-zero determinant form a subcategory of that category? < 1391122522 916882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well then you only get square ones < 1391122546 645177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that's precisely the isomorphisms, i think < 1391122551 724553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1391122553 833043 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok < 1391122575 584586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a flail is pretty much not a polearm though < 1391122653 3890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there are some elementary proofs in hilbert space theory that are basically just mucking around with adjoints/transposes < 1391122678 633456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1391122683 260778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hilbert spaces are self-dual for this purpose < 1391122748 848650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the mapole is a polearm, the flail is a “maces & flails”. < 1391122786 257248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you say so < 1391122884 125112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the bras and kets in quantum mechanics are basically dual in this sense - when you move an operator from one to the other, you must take the adjoint of it. < 1391122910 480551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking vaguely here < 1391122974 421408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(adjoint = transpose + conjugate every element, on the matrix level. that makes it work better with complex vector spaces.) < 1391123195 49144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hd < 1391123195 622702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ od -Ax -tx1z -v $@ < 1391123243 274625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/[^ ]*$/"$@"/' bin/hd < 1391123245 68780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391123248 134117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hd < 1391123248 754448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"$@" \ od -Ax -tx1z -v "$@" < 1391123253 399670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1391123256 872277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1391123258 705701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1391123265 714385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/[^ ]*$/"$@"/' bin/hd < 1391123267 473270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1391123268 932715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hd < 1391123269 491685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ od -Ax -tx1z -v "$@" < 1391123300 442274 :namaskar!~namaskar@host81-155-189-163.range81-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1391124972 533547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1391124977 755988 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1391125150 901735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a privilege escalation hole in Linux X32 ABI < 1391125202 121722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1391125218 125228 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds interesting, do you have a link about it? < 1391125221 708725 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1391125272 683648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/djrbliss/status/429032775165820928 has all the information i've found < 1391125280 773599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spender says it's an arbitrary kernel memory write < 1391125295 230734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also admits grsec is useless to stop it < 1391125304 128406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is out of character for him < 1391125471 430849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is timespec differently sized in x32 and 64-bit? < 1391125502 701665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fix would probably be more informative as to what the problem is < 1391125516 241440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I haven't found that yet but haven't really looked < 1391125523 473682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the introduction is where it should've been caught) < 1391125557 916611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess from the presence of COMPAT_USE_64BIT_TIME is that it's differently sized in i386 compat mode vs. x32 < 1391125564 590409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in net/compat.c after all < 1391125590 616884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno though < 1391125635 180001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about how x32 is implemented < 1391125684 741091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home! < 1391125685 984409 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1391125715 571936 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1391125749 929254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1391126039 529358 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno much about x32 either, but I'm guessing they've tried to reuse stuff from 64 or 32-bit as much as possible, and either can be just as wrong in subtle ways < 1391126393 979225 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric