00:00:23 I've since come up with a syntax and execution model. It operates byte-wise, as a TAG-system, applying function trees upon the program input stream. 00:01:01 rough draft interpreter (doesn't implement function trees): http://codepad.org/wqOOdShZ 00:01:30 -!- constant has changed nick to trout. 00:02:05 -!- glogbackup has joined. 00:02:27 But trying to implement anything is exceedingly painful. I can't seem to make an adder since everything operates bitwise. 00:02:56 There's no nice way to propagate data from one bit to another. 00:04:27 Maybe it needs an association mechanism so you can store functions in variables and not have to spell everything out literally. ... Then I could make a standard library with adders and stuff.... 00:05:55 string-rewriting seems much more tedious than stack-based systems. I'm not sure if there's anything I can do to alleviate that with fancy syntax. 00:06:47 So that's the mess that brought me here! Not sure if I really have a question in there ... :) 00:08:14 Currently, to make a loop, you have to make a quine. :) 00:08:31 well that much isn't so unusual in esolangs 00:09:03 i'm too tired to understand yours right now 00:09:12 no prob. me too. :) 00:09:38 have you seen /// by the way 00:09:48 Yes. 00:10:01 (string rewriting + making quines are the bread and butter of it) 00:10:25 I see. I didn't work with it enough to realize that. 00:11:44 Of itself, that doesn't seem too terrible. ... But I'm not even sure how to do it with my language as currently defined. 00:12:21 I suppose I should let the unconscious work on it for a while. 00:14:37 good idea 00:15:57 -!- tromp_ has joined. 00:21:46 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:22:11 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:25:26 Two blocks of code, A and B, where B has a comment implying it needs to be below A. I decide B needs to be above A. The meaning of one of B's lines changes, and the comment needs to change... but the line in question still means what I need it to mean, even though it's something different from what it originally meant 00:26:15 you pick the most bizarre points in a problem to resort to irc Sgeo 00:26:36 I wasn't asking for IRC's assistence 00:26:48 I was noting something funny that happened 00:27:00 that is pretty cool 00:27:29 I think I don't know if I should have made the change though, before the change was what got QAed, although I felt it was less correct 00:27:30 :/ 01:08:55 does anyone else sometimes use 'mv /path/to/file/name_{old,new}' 01:09:08 isn't that the standard thing 01:09:28 that's good yes 01:09:32 -!- ggherdov_ has quit (Changing host). 01:09:32 -!- ggherdov_ has joined. 01:09:32 -!- ggherdov_ has quit (Changing host). 01:09:32 -!- ggherdov_ has joined. 01:09:34 KMC Seal of Approval 01:09:42 -!- ggherdov_ has changed nick to ggherdov. 01:10:33 shachaf: i've started doing rm -fr instead of rm -rf 01:10:47 what's with that 01:10:53 How french 01:11:11 I use {,~} and {~,} with mv rather often 01:11:21 or cp 01:11:43 you mean République française? 01:12:47 Of course. 01:12:48 coppro: i keep using that on HackEgo, anyway. 01:13:10 (usually when someone's misnamed a wisdom entry) 01:13:13 {^__^} 01:13:15 Anyone know a website on group theory that's like, "Here's an interesting starting point, see where you can go!" 01:16:57 Taneb: now i'm reminded of oskar's cube 01:17:22 i played it on the web many years ago 01:18:01 Taneb, find out how the orbit-stabiliser theorem works or something, that got me hooked 01:21:55 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:22:08 -!- augur has joined. 01:24:36 bah i found a java applet (perhaps the same as years ago) and IE's security settings refuse to run it. 01:25:09 or perhaps it's actually malware, who knows. 01:26:34 :src Lens 01:26:54 type Lens s t a b = forall f. Functor f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t 01:27:04 lambdabot: you have competition 01:27:32 Blah, I don't think Racket has convenient functors 01:28:47 I can't just use the function functor, can I? For some reason I was thinking of a lens as a modifier 01:29:13 I have put 0 thought as to what having f be (-> r) would mean in this case 01:30:59 You could use data-lens style lenses? 01:34:26 -!- Namaskar has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:36:28 (-> r) is a contravariant functor isn't it? unless you meant ((->) r) 01:36:31 "best syntax ever" 01:41:32 -!- Namaskar has joined. 02:16:34 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:19:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:25:12 I should totally attempt to write a maccall for Racket 02:30:14 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:34:49 what's that 02:42:32 funcall for macros... evaluates the first expression in the transformer environment then applies the result to the rest of the body of the maccall 02:42:47 No idea if that's actually a good idea 02:43:49 http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/syntax-util.html?q=syntax-ev&q=eval#%28def._%28%28lib._racket%2Fsyntax..rkt%29._syntax-local-eval%29%29 02:43:53 syntax-local-eval 03:02:00 Hmm. I think the Racket core language is well specified in terms of its syntax, but not what primitive functions exist :( 03:07:25 -!- augur has joined. 03:07:34 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:08:00 -!- augur has joined. 03:08:57 -!- augur_ has joined. 03:08:57 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:13:37 http://codu.org/webmidi/gen/15570254295359/15570254295359.ogg 03:13:50 Is this some well-known classical music that I just never thought of in those terms? 03:13:57 Or some other well-known piece? 03:16:32 from gregor? i wouldn't think so... 03:17:23 The .ogg was generated by his WebMIDI service 03:27:18 Sgeo: what's funcall 03:28:01 kmc: Common Lisp function that lets you call value that represents a function 03:28:34 Assume compose is adequately defined. ((compose f g) 1) won't work, but (funcall (compose f g) 1) does 03:28:40 The first item in the list has to be a function name 03:28:49 (I think literal lambdas count as function names) 03:31:29 Sgeo: parts of that music reminds me of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition 03:34:34 Sgeo: there's a special case to allow ((lambda ...) ...), yeah. 03:34:35 I hear it 03:34:38 Sgeo: thanks for reminding me how bad midi instruments on webmidi sound 03:34:50 quintopia: blame sonivox 03:34:51 Sgeo: oh this is a Lisp-2 thing? 03:34:53 kmc: yes 03:35:04 #justlisp2things 03:35:18 though it's sometimes nice to do (map #'funcall ...) and such. 03:35:29 what's the advantage of lisp-2 again 03:35:37 Sgeo: was it made in canada? its not worth laying blame unless i can blame canada 03:35:38 -!- luserdroog has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:35:54 kmc: better for small talk than the weather 03:35:57 Bike: In Haskell, you do have ($) 03:36:00 Which is id 03:36:19 yes? 03:36:34 i didn't mean that was special to cl o'course 03:36:48 So I guess funcall isn't totally a Lisp-2 thing, but it's not as needed in a *-1 03:37:08 Or, well, not needed for all the use-cases CL needs it for, anyway 03:37:22 i can think of some reasons to want it in kernel, but yeah 03:37:28 not a terribly interesting function 03:37:53 kmc: Well, one is no overlap with non-hygienic macros between functions, which aren't often letted, and other lexical variables 03:38:05 Not sure if that's the one most CLers would point to 03:43:21 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:00:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 04:24:46 -!- Sellyme has quit (Excess Flood). 04:26:20 "One-person protests are legal in Russia, and the two activists holding signs were spaced far enough apart that neither was arrested." 04:26:30 -!- Sellyme has joined. 04:26:53 admirable planning! 04:39:34 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 04:44:36 -!- password2 has joined. 04:51:57 -!- augur_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 04:55:46 kmc: -fr is the scow of rm options 04:56:38 kmc: i bought some KMC brand card sleeves 05:01:12 scow? 05:01:39 -!- augur has joined. 05:02:57 as in the worst specimen of something 05:03:36 ah 05:03:38 why is it the worst 05:03:49 why is it worse than -rf or -r -f or --recursive --force 05:04:01 Recursive Force is my new superhero team name 05:04:29 i don't know 05:04:38 why is "xzvf" the right order for tar options? 05:04:39 it just is 05:04:54 everyone knows that 05:05:01 tar xyzzy 05:05:21 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dsfjdssdfsd -- The dsfjdssdfsd list provides a venue for discussion of randomness in IETF protocols 05:05:37 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:06:11 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:11:10 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:23:05 shachaf: as in garbage scow! 05:23:22 oklopol: that's right 05:24:13 you taught me that word 05:24:59 i promise to use it someday 05:28:22 -!- luserdroog has joined. 05:29:30 -!- augur_ has joined. 05:32:23 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:35:55 -!- newsham has joined. 05:36:40 someone should write a fun esolang on top of https://microcorruption.com/login 05:48:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:16:57 -!- Namaskar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:17:19 -!- Namaskar has joined. 06:40:20 hi newsham 06:41:00 -!- tertu has joined. 06:50:15 howdy 06:57:20 -!- newsham has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:58:14 bye 06:59:44 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 253 seconds). 07:03:22 -!- quintopia has joined. 07:04:11 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:04:19 -!- FreeFull has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 07:04:36 -!- FreeFull has joined. 07:05:30 -!- newsham has joined. 07:13:18 -!- TodPunk has joined. 07:16:14 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:24:25 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:24:23 hmm, wonder if i said a lot of random stuff here, accidentally put my mouse in the top left corner again and all the programs formed a grid 08:24:27 this time i can't get back 08:24:42 so now i can use all the programs at once, but i can't exactly see what i'm doing 08:24:46 int-e: i just manually rediscovered the 62816281 oscillator :P 08:24:57 so maybe areboot 08:25:01 i miss windows 08:25:16 oklopol: your example for Clue looks a lot like Wouter's example from the screenshot of Aardappel 08:25:36 i think we should have a battle of the programming-by-example languages 08:25:49 guess i have to take the battery out because the power button just opens a "shut this system now" window and the mouse doesn't do much 08:25:52 wish i could read your replies 08:26:16 can you write in like huge walls of letter 08:26:20 *s 08:28:38 shachaf: I would put z first, or skip it entirely since (gnu) tar autodetects compression 08:28:38 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:29:00 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:29:07 that was a hoot 08:29:16 I also always do rm -fr, which apparently is much less common than rm -rf 08:30:11 " oklopol: your example for Clue looks a lot like Wouter's example from the screenshot of Aardappel" it does? 08:30:33 i recall reading some of aardappel's documentation, but i thought it was a much weaker kind of programming by example 08:30:45 like, i never even realized they have something in common 08:30:53 i wonder if i just plagiarized the whole thing 08:31:01 which example are you referring to? 08:31:15 kmc: did you know http://hackage.haskell.org/package/regex-compat-0.95.1/docs/src/Text-Regex.html#subRegex uses a regex to search for backreferences in the replacement string 08:31:26 wow 08:31:43 also the whole haskell regular expression thing is ridiculous 08:31:46 all the packages 08:31:53 and the apis 08:32:01 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 08:32:12 iirc one of the examples in the snobol manual was a snobol grammar, i appreciated that 08:32:27 shachaf: you should solve it by making a new api in a new package 08:33:14 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: lone sleepy shite). 08:33:36 (=~) :: (RegexMaker Regex CompOption ExecOption source, RegexContext Regex source1 target) => source1 -> source -> target 08:34:03 yeah I remember complaining about that a lot 08:34:13 shachaf: https://twitter.com/MuseumOfTypes 08:35:46 quintopia: the big difference is that in aardappel, you actually describe exactly what the program flow is; it's just written in terms of concrete examples. the point of clue is that there is no direct way to control program flow. 08:36:08 aardappel actually makes a lot of sense; not that i have any idea whether it's any nicer to program in than clue. 08:37:17 (of course, in practice, you program in clue by splitting your function into a million subfunctions, but in theory that's only because my compiler is kind of crappy) 08:40:04 oh cool, kate has sessions 08:40:28 maybe next time my computer throws a fit i won't have to spend half a day opening files 08:42:44 -!- Tritonio has joined. 08:43:08 -!- Tritonio has quit (Client Quit). 08:43:36 -!- Tritonio has joined. 08:58:52 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 08:59:53 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 09:08:52 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Changing host). 09:08:52 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 09:12:43 -!- luserdroog has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:16:12 ^tel nooodl 434043 is actually infinitely extendable. 4340434043 or 43404340434043 etc. all are period 2. 09:16:20 ^tell nooodl 434043 is actually infinitely extendable. 4340434043 or 43404340434043 etc. all are period 2. 09:16:20 I think you mean @tell instead? 09:16:32 @tell nooodl 434043 is actually infinitely extendable. 4340434043 or 43404340434043 etc. all are period 2. 09:16:32 Consider it noted. 09:16:39 i liked it when you did it fungot 09:16:40 quintopia: but you'd expect a comic, but fnord seals help. thanks to the wonderful world of metric units... they're as specific as possible 09:17:44 fungot: What makes a unit more specific? 09:17:45 fizzie: i use both hands 09:19:10 I see. 09:23:19 kmc: did you see the series of posts starting at http://conway.rutgers.edu/~ccshan/wiki/blog/posts/WordNumbers1/ 09:24:14 -!- password2 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:10:53 @tell Bike "After several years of successful events worldwide, MATLAB EXPO comes to the Nordic region for the first time in 2014." Aren't we lucky?! 10:10:54 Consider it noted. 10:13:58 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:47:26 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 11:01:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:43:49 -!- yorick has joined. 12:00:22 -!- Namaskar has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:25:08 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:25:33 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:25:54 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:25:54 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 12:26:53 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:27:02 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 12:31:02 -!- password2 has joined. 12:48:29 kmc: -fr is the scow of rm options <-- i tried googling if "is the scow of" was a new meme, but in fact there's only two hits, one of which is a literal scow and the other of which is a misspelling. 12:51:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:54:27 I think the second is a misOCRing, actually. 12:56:05 -!- tertu has joined. 13:04:18 sensible 13:25:22 * oerjan realizes phil foglio writes pretty funny blog posts 13:28:52 -!- password2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:44:52 -!- nooodl has joined. 13:50:28 ~meta LOWI 13:50:35 ~metar LOWI 13:50:47 pity 13:51:03 http://www.bergfex.at/tirol/wetter/stationen/innsbruck-flughafen/ then. 13:55:13 Should I get myself Purely Functional Data Structures? Hmm 13:56:27 ok as a ki 13:57:17 Okasaki, hmm. The thesis can be downloaded, maybe look at that and then make your decision. 13:58:53 Okay, I'm ordering it 14:04:37 -!- boily has joined. 14:04:42 -!- metasepia has joined. 14:05:02 oh wait these posts were actually by kaja, not phil. 14:05:37 actually the tagging is confusing. 14:06:13 here's hoping that the tagging is acyclic. 14:07:12 well it's tagged phil's blog but uploaded by kaja. 14:08:41 hm i think that does mean phil wrote it, since others are tagged "kaja's blog". 14:23:25 http://sprunge.us/NCKS <- crazy. 14:23:37 (I heard of a similar thing somewhere in I think Sweden.) 14:24:00 You said all there is to say about that service. 14:25:36 "The German banks sued Sofort for inducing their customers to break their terms and conditions by disclosing passwords, but the case failed when the Federal competition authorities intervened and told the court that competition with the payment card cartel was welcome." 14:25:40 I don't exactly have a great love for banks in general, but that all still feels weird. 14:26:25 So now the banks will go after their customers? 14:27:06 I don't know if they've started to just systematically refuse all fraud claims from anyone who's used that thing. 14:27:17 How is a customer supposed to tell the difference between a benign, honest payment proxy service and a dishonest one? 14:27:29 (But it sounds like something they could conceivably do.) 14:28:30 good terrifying morning! 14:28:45 is there an rsync source for the logs? 14:29:17 There was a hg source, wasn't there? 14:29:42 Don't think there's public rsync, but could be wrong. 14:31:01 `ls wisdom 14:31:02 ` \ `? \ \ _̰̆̓_�̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_͂͋͒ͧ͋�̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ \ \ ⌨ \ ⊥ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚�͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠ 14:31:10 hm... I wanted the special case here. 14:31:14 `run ls wisdom 14:31:15 ` \ `? \ \ _̰̆̓_�̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_͂͋͒ͧ͋�̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ \ \ ⌨ \ ⊥ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚�͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠ 14:31:20 dammit. 14:31:41 `pastewisdom 14:31:42 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ 14:32:03 (Though the banks themselves are not much better. I believe I've mentioned 3dsecure here before ...) 14:32:20 int-e: you mentioned that horror before. 14:32:34 meanwhile, IEUAAAAAAAARGH! 14:32:41 `? node 14:32:42 node? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 14:33:33 I've probably missed any mentions of 3-D Secure, but I see it quite a lot these days. A grandiose name it's got, at least. 14:33:42 sofort sounds like a good idea with horribly insecure implementation. 14:35:32 boily: ah yes, that's quite annoying... 14:36:03 `cat bin/ls 14:36:04 #!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^969195 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi 14:36:05 At least the 3-D Secure banking account query comes directly from the bank. Well, when it isn't a phishing scam version, anyway. 14:36:17 `run /bin/ls -id wisdom 14:36:17 790887 wisdom 14:36:27 fizzie: it still looks like cross site scripting and does not play well with NoScript. 14:36:38 `run sed -i 's/969195/790887/' bin/ls 14:36:40 No output. 14:36:42 -!- trn has joined. 14:36:42 `ls wisdom 14:36:43 As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf instead. 14:37:18 `file bin/ls 14:37:18 bin/ls: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable 14:38:08 !logs 14:38:14 oerjan: the special case is both useful and not at the same time. I think I'm trying to solve the wrong problem here. 14:38:37 int-e: do that and it'll tell you the rsync by notice 14:38:42 what I'm trying to get is a list of mtimes for wisdom entries, in order to fulfill my duty as a Wisdom Lexicographer. 14:38:52 !logs 14:39:32 nice! 14:39:39 oerjan++ 14:40:26 boily: alas the repository browser is currently broken due to being connected to the old HackEgo server 14:40:31 or something like that 14:43:28 and i think Gregor said the http proxy is also broken, which means basically there's no way to get information out of HackEgo except through irc lines 14:47:01 so \ you \ have \ to \ ex \ fil \ trate \ slow \ ly. 14:47:26 (I counted the number of syllables and then decided against using actual newlines. I hope you all appreciate my restraint.) 14:51:17 -!- tertu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:55:06 int-e: «qu' \ est- \ ce \ qui \ a \ be \ soin \ d'être \ ex \ fil \ tré?» (what needs to be exfiltered? (sorry for the French, it's easier for me to count syllables so.)) 15:00:18 da \ ta. 15:06:18 o \ i \ c. 15:11:36 -!- hogeyui__ has changed nick to hogeyui. 15:13:35 `unidecode ṉ 15:13:36 [U+1E49 LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH LINE BELOW] 15:14:08 `uniencode EQUALITY SIGN WITH LINE BELOW 15:14:08 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: uniencode: not found 15:14:10 :( 15:14:42 `unicode EQUALITY SIGN WITH LINE BELOW 15:14:43 Unknown character. 15:14:50 =≡≣ 15:14:51 int-e: :/ 15:14:57 oh, shiny lines! 15:15:30 =̈Ξ̈ 15:15:45 ⪠ (hmm, invisible in my terminal) 15:16:42 that is one fungot of a character. 15:16:42 boily: sit for you? 15:16:57 fungot: indeed. a bunch of lines sitting on top of each other. 15:16:57 boily: you can implement one in c 15:17:08 fungot: well, everything can be implemented in C. 15:17:08 boily: or maybe talking about government or media schemes *ponder* where did you get their... basics. oh, and it 15:17:31 fungot: the government ponders and spies on its citizens, as usual. nothing new there. 15:17:31 boily: erc doesn't seem to be wanting to restrict yourself that way? :o) so, i'm switching off python 15:17:50 fungot: Python can't be switched off. Python is the Eternal Light. 15:19:01 `unidecode ⛃ 15:19:02 [U+26C3 BLACK DRAUGHTS KING] 15:20:28 `unicode SHORT LEFTWARDS ARROW ABOVE RIGHTWARDS ARROW 15:20:29 Unknown character. 15:20:43 `unidecode ⥂⥃⥄ 15:20:44 [U+2942 RIGHTWARDS ARROW ABOVE SHORT LEFTWARDS ARROW] [U+2943 LEFTWARDS ARROW ABOVE SHORT RIGHTWARDS ARROW] [U+2944 SHORT RIGHTWARDS ARROW ABOVE LEFTWARDS ARROW] 15:21:09 I don't get it. Why add 3 of four combinations? 15:22:19 because the fourth was banned by the [REDACTED] branch of the Second Schism of the East-North-Eastern Quasi-Orthodox Sub-Russian Christian Amalgamated Church. 15:23:18 (My fault, I still haven't given up the idea that Unicode is supposed to make sense.) 15:23:36 int-e: when in doubt, the answer is back compat 15:23:43 Honestly, I should know better. 15:24:46 I should instead marvel at the perfectly regular Braille range. 15:30:05 ꕂꕀ\o/ꕁꕀ 15:30:06 | 15:30:06 /< 15:32:10 🀲🀹🀺🀿🀴🁌🁜🀻🁊🁍 15:32:50 Oh I think screen destroyed those. 15:34:47 a bunch of . 15:37:33 they were supposed to be dominoes 15:38:32 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:40:30 second attempt at dominating: 🀱🀲🀳🀴🀵🀶🀷 15:40:53 -!- Sorella has joined. 15:41:21 https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments 15:42:40 boily: if you check the logs you'll see that both attempts worked: 15:42:47 http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2014-02-06 15:43:02 int-e: my local weechat logs seem to bork them, sadly. 15:43:28 (or probably not. an hexdump has them all.) 15:44:16 strangely, myndzi 69ed his stick figure. 15:46:20 They are right in my Weechat buffer and logs. 15:49:34 something is wrong here. very wrong. 15:50:55 the stick figure looks completely sfw here 15:51:31 oerjan: it is. the characters ‘6’ and ‘9’ are displayed twice before the body. 15:51:49 ah the log thing is because of some irc codes that don't show up in browsers 15:53:36 ah. 15:54:03 you can see the same kind of thing whenever someone `relcomes 15:54:58 `relcome `relcome 15:54:59 `relcome: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:55:07 i assume myndzi's codes are to make the figures look good in more clients 15:55:11 I am now illuminated. 15:55:30 * FireFly moves the flashlight away from boily's face 15:55:42 `relcome doesn't need welcoming, it's been here for ages 15:55:52 `relcome HackEgo 15:55:53 HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:55:54 ^Cnnn[,nnn] switches colors in mIRC, but color 69 is not defined. ^O switches back to the original. 15:55:54 -!- ais523 has changed nick to callforjudgement. 15:55:56 -!- Johnnie has joined. 15:56:03 looks like a complete waste of bandwidth to me. 15:56:03 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 15:56:22 int-e: presumably to avoid bots interpreting it as a command 15:56:26 * boily grabs back his precious flashlight from FireFly, thank you very much. 15:56:36 FireFly: plausible, thanks 15:57:05 But I think just ^O should do it, really 15:57:08 (thausible?) 15:57:48 Minor dilemma...should I switch all of the syntax on my language to Morse Code, or leave it as Amateur Radio Callsigns? (In other words, do I really need to be nice?) 15:57:59 FireFly: yes, but given the channel's background, sneaking in a 69 that noone is ever likely to see is kind of cute. 15:58:11 Fair point. 15:59:10 Johnnie: I like the ARC words. 15:59:34 int-e: a “thausible” thing is one that is theoretically plausible. 16:00:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:00:19 That seems thausible to me. 16:01:30 I do too, boily. I think I need to emphasize SPAM/1 as a morse code language somehow. How about this...ARC words in defining syntax and examples, and morse code in coding examples? 16:01:39 thausiblee 16:02:52 Johnnie: sounds good. 16:03:41 `run echo 'A thausiblee is the recipient of a thausible action.' >wisdom/thausiblee 16:03:43 No output. 16:04:12 Also: thausiblee = thausible and only thausible 16:04:39 I feel like I'm on a roll. I'm going to define more of the mathematics section tonight. I felt I needed to deal with output of large and small numbers first and get that out of the way, at least. 16:16:54 -!- Johnnie has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:30:51 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:32:35 Anothellost. 16:33:36 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:34:02 -!- augur has joined. 16:34:52 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:35:11 -!- augur has joined. 16:47:40 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:47:57 -!- augur has joined. 16:48:23 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:48:49 -!- augur has joined. 16:52:59 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:57:27 boily: i was looking at a similar triangles worksheet with a flagpole problem on it and my brain reported the word as "mapole" the first time i scanned it. 16:57:47 boily: you are a breeder of memetic viruses 17:05:40 boily: define the mapole problem 17:06:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:08:12 hi ais523 17:09:12 hi quintopia 17:09:51 did you see the queue machine thing i made up? 17:10:30 it seems like the kind of thing you are capable of proving things about and i am woefully poor at 17:14:30 no, I didn't 17:14:33 do you have a link? 17:15:49 there are lots of links related to it, but all discussion happened right here yesterday .... would have been about 6pm UTC 17:16:16 i was going to make a wiki article but haven't decided on a name yet :P 17:21:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:22:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:37:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:45:21 -!- augur has joined. 17:48:56 oerjan: it is among a small group of people, and they have grown tired of it 17:55:34 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:55:44 -!- augur has joined. 17:58:04 ais523: boily: int-e: which name do you like the best: Copper, Resplicate, Pocopure 18:02:22 quinthellopia! 18:02:25 resplicate. 18:03:25 it sounds like res publica. the Res Plicate: the Thing of the Plic. 18:03:58 also, I'm glad that your brain was memetised :D 18:05:06 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:09:05 boily: it's a chimæra actually. a portmanteau of slice, replicate, and splice 18:14:00 what do you call a device that does the same thing over and over, and the thing it does may or may not be capable of arbitrary computation 18:14:40 fractran is an example, but the wiki describes it as a "computational model" presumably because it is known to be capable of arbitrary computation 18:15:38 hmm maybe computational model is what i want 18:15:56 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:17:40 quintopia: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/thing.png 18:20:31 Did you just design the logo of Resplicate? 18:20:40 I approve 18:20:58 boily: :D :D :D :D 18:21:55 while waiting for that to load i became aware of just how crazy the temporal dithering of my monitor on the particular shade of grey firefox uses is 18:22:22 temporal dithering? 18:22:39 * boily imagines palette dithering techniques applied to the time dimension. “ow.” 18:23:11 boily: it's that 18:24:52 ... that is vile. 18:29:45 It's just generalised PCM. 18:29:53 -!- conehead has joined. 18:30:09 quintopia: I don't notice the temporal dithering on my laptop unless I look really closely 18:30:23 I don't think my old laptop actually does any temporal dithering at all 18:31:06 Add a low pass filter (like rod cells and nerves) and you won't notice a thing. 18:31:06 -!- augur has joined. 18:38:26 how to wikify images floating to the right of the text 18:38:37 quintopia: I like Copper best 18:39:07 nooodl: are you going to vote? 18:39:09 also [[Image:foo|thumb|right|description]] IIRC, but I haven't done it for ages 18:39:17 so there may be minor mistakes there 18:39:21 * boily mapoles the heretic-ais523 away “Long Live Resplicate!” 18:39:34 yeah, i have to 18:40:36 nooodl: i mean are you going to vote on the name of the queue game/computational model/language thing 18:40:48 nooodl: which name do you like the best: Copper, Resplicate, Pocopure 18:41:10 I think nooodl 'has to' vote for Pocopure 18:41:29 FreeFull: FireFly: how are you voting 18:41:31 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:42:34 I like Resplicate. 18:42:37 me too 18:42:56 -!- spiette has joined. 18:43:38 it also has the best logo. but Copper is the name of my dog, and i have a picture of him wearing my mustache which could also be a good logo! 18:44:30 You make a convincing argument 18:44:52 `relcome spiette 18:44:53 spiette: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 18:45:22 quintopia: Voting for? 18:50:55 FreeFull: quintopia seems frozen. 18:51:00 ~metar KATL 18:51:01 KATL 061752Z 00000KT 10SM BKN140 BKN200 BKN250 05/M04 A3026 RMK AO2 SLP256 T00501044 10050 21017 58012 18:51:09 FreeFull: at least, refrigerated. 19:05:28 -!- augur has joined. 19:05:35 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:06:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:15:32 ~metar EFHK 19:15:32 EFHK 061850Z VRB02KT 8000 NSC M10/M11 Q1003 NOSIG 19:16:11 NSC indeed. 19:17:09 ~metar CYUL 19:17:09 CYUL 061900Z 22011KT 30SM FEW020 FEW120 BKN220 M12/M18 A3024 RMK CF1AC1CI4 CF TR SLP242 19:17:11 I went out and took a picture of the moon, and indeed there were No Significant Clouds. 19:17:27 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:17:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:18:19 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 19:18:19 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:18:29 ~foobar 19:18:29 --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi 19:20:41 Curiously enough, the phase of the moon turned out -- completely by coincidence -- to be pretty much exactly the same it was in 2009 when I did the same thing on a previous camera: just shot the moon with no telescopes or whatnots. 19:24:05 fizzie: I badly photographed the moon a few years ago: http://boily.deviantart.com/art/Fuzzy-super-harvest-moon-180200524 19:25:46 boily: Here's my old and new ones: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140206-mooncomp.jpg 19:27:02 shiny! 19:27:23 You can almost see the US flag! (Not really.) 19:47:11 fizzie: that raised an interesting question. cf. http://www.rocketroberts.com/astro/flag_on_moon.htm 19:49:09 -!- augur has joined. 19:51:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:55:10 is it possible to prove there's a flag on the moon from the earth? 19:55:38 Does it count if you send (from the Earth) some kind of a thing up there that sends back pictures? 19:55:58 depends on what proof you need ... can you even prove that the moon exists from the earth? 19:56:02 shine a very bright laser on the flag. if it bursts up, then there was one. 19:56:20 They do the "bounce a laser through the retroreflectors" experiment quite often, AIUI. 19:56:21 it seems int-e's link is about exactly this 19:56:41 Though that only proves there's something retroreflectorey up there, and not a flag. 19:57:31 so there's a specific place on the moon that retroreflects? 19:57:41 that sounds like some kind of proof that someone's been there at least 19:58:02