< 1392336120 733392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :( where is a norwegian when you need one <-- clearly now that boily has changed habits, you have inherited his "never be here at the same time as oerjan" curse hth < 1392336208 617337 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a curse? < 1392336221 481889 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I can be Norwegian for you *wink wink* < 1392336232 583619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well metasepia was never here when wanted to do ~metar before < 1392336237 18875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1392336240 795982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incidentally, still isn't. < 1392336244 498427 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>'... < 1392336248 347753 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1392336263 864895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i've got a particular ~metar need at the moment) < 1392336270 270999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+i < 1392336302 712846 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the needs of the metar outweighs the needs of information. < 1392336314 103742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: don't listen to boily, he'll serve you fake lutefisk made out of poutine! < 1392336332 57140 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392336340 379660 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... a lutefisk poutine... I'll pitch that Capital Idea at the next joint I visit. < 1392336343 781415 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1392336345 55372 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 132350Z 16010KT 9999 FEW013 BKN018 01/M02 Q1005 BECMG BKN013 < 1392336348 102001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1392336349 231193 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 132350Z 16018KT CAVOK 05/M04 Q0983 RMK WIND 670FT 19023KT < 1392336364 211774 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1392336365 879019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry havock < 1392336377 481231 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1392336381 442640 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly mapoles his bot < 1392336396 989616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking KATL should refer to some secret lair inside the volcano. < 1392336398 146829 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 132352Z 29008KT 10SM CLR 04/M03 A2984 RMK AO2 SLP113 T00441033 10072 20039 51014 < 1392336401 243944 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1392336425 637672 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh? which volcano? < 1392336434 146630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla, naturally < 1392336456 261953 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck katla < 1392336456 905168 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an active volcano in southern Iceland, with an elevation of 970 m, covered by the southeastern part of the M–rdalsjökull Glacier. < 1392336491 122700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly doubt the original had an ndash in that position < 1392336494 129446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M–rdalsjökull < 1392336527 250062 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, Icelandic is making me kveill. < 1392336544 901257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the name of the dragon in the brothers lionheart < 1392336604 200942 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn M–rdalsjökull is a draconic volcano harbouring the secret KATL base. < 1392336606 121084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1392336630 416329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? M–rdalsjökull < 1392336630 765532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M–rdalsjökull is a draconic volcano harbouring the secret KATL base. < 1392336643 609996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/'M–rdalsjökull' < 1392336644 353453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/M–rdalsjökull: No such file or directory < 1392336658 510439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/'m–rdalsjökull' < 1392336659 187271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/m–rdalsjökull < 1392336676 774388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. what is the alphabetic order of an “&”? < 1392336731 155800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [' '..'&'] < 1392336732 810640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : " !\"#$%&" < 1392336740 662933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a ligature for "et" of sorts, i think < 1392336787 781299 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it at the end of the “M” section. < 1392336991 163715 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1392336995 283120 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. merged and copied and pushed and everything else. < 1392336999 563739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: odds on resPairate being universal for m /exactly/ 2? <-- you are mean. i just about thought i could get it done for <= 2. < 1392337027 489422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi. i need travel advice if you have any! < 1392337044 986357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i cannot guarantee there haven't been other wisdoms added < 1392337075 98601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: don't travel, it's dangerous hth < 1392337092 618921 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll scour and scry and search and sift through the logs for anything Wisdomian. < 1392337094 911179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be in Flam,Getranger(sp?),Aalesund,Bergen,and Olden. If you know of anything that would be super-awesome to see in these places i'll thank you to tell me < 1392337114 308979 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: going overseas? adventuring in Deep Scandinavia? < 1392337130 436007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yessir < 1392337167 339244 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1392337197 406228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hg < 1392337198 293320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercurial Distributed SCM \ \ basic commands: \ \ add add the specified files on the next commit \ annotate show changeset information by line for each file \ clone make a copy of an existing repository \ commit commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \ diff diff repository (or selected files) \ ex < 1392337231 8979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's hard to find the diff numbers without the repository browser. < 1392337267 400562 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392337272 697694 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to buy a non-crappy laptop before mid-April... < 1392337301 954733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i hear most foreigners think geiranger is super-awesome all by itself. you could go to the aquarium in bergen. < 1392337323 991290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bryggen, i suppose < 1392337343 879231 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read something about bryggen. what's there? < 1392337345 57273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been to bergen since he was about 6. < 1392337378 40673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my germanic-language-speaking brain sees "bergen" and just thinks "mountains" < 1392337429 463060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's old architecture, one of the best preserved (perhaps the only? or maybe outside germany) hanseatic buildings < 1392337441 114941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/some/ < 1392337448 767872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right the wharf? < 1392337451 935937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1392337461 624462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think that's on the list of things to do already < 1392337482 254855 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoyed Rostock, so I ranked it pretty high < 1392337500 622707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess it's pretty obligatory if you're on an organized tourist trip < 1392337527 324711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that organized. it's a cruise. we get like 8-12 hours to do whatever we want in each place < 1392337531 341173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're in geiranger, i have a hunch you might go glacier climbing < 1392337549 883341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :glacier climbing...should i do that? < 1392337589 17170 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :climb the glacier! show it who's boss! < 1392337602 603315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a guided tour, presumably. < 1392337616 487148 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look into it < 1392337645 298069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :western norway has glaciers close to some of the fjords, anyway. < 1392337701 20307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION went on such a trip once during a summer school university arrangement, but not at geiranger. < 1392337725 355056 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, that's what the dragon's named after < 1392337734 798656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls he got a black toe from that trip, it took half a year or so to grow back out properly < 1392337743 261262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :toenail, that is < 1392337759 509128 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it wasn't a black foot < 1392337767 720563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian mr. deeds! < 1392337837 322874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: gangrene is no laughing matter. also, i already regret looking it up on wikipedia. < 1392337844 364617 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls he accidentally his toenail off one time. apparently Canadian toenails have the same growth rate as Norwegian ones. < 1392337870 755300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure we've all done it at some point. mine grew back kinda crooked < 1392338027 402317 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which of my scars is the stupidest. it's either my knee with: a car being washed, a bush and a flowerbed; or my forehead with: a freezer, a furnace airduct and a sewing machine desk. < 1392338387 707390 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terran Republic = Peacekeepers? < 1392338409 981598 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly seem thematically similar < 1392338418 834830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the kind of peace where it's peaceful because no one's alive < 1392338502 775602 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the peacekeepers/TR themselves would still be alive < 1392338522 801361 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not quite as peaceful though < 1392338568 129658 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392338951 713929 :augur!~augur@c-68-55-204-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392339031 954742 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is stuck with http://youtu.be/j-3Fgrn7Rls in his ears ♪ < 1392339419 147486 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392340439 371409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392340484 419457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: try Q-Tips hth < 1392340516 578667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear putting q-tips in your ears is dangerous. < 1392340566 986522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can go through into your brain < 1392340569 133074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru fax < 1392340659 473489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :His product, which he named "Baby Gays", [...] < 1392340792 568730 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: «Mise en garde: Pour nettoyer les oreilles, passer délicatement le cure-oreille sur la surface externe, en évitant de pénétrer dans le canal auditif. Garder hors de la portée des jeunes enfants.» < 1392340813 640970 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what if my brains are made of qtips? < 1392340882 792046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if qtips are made of brains! < 1392340936 869259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, then you have too many brains < 1392340948 878559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the consequences are too dire to dwell upon < 1392340980 732210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... I purposefully spill mercury ..." < 1392340986 103884 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the good ol' feeling of insanity that this chännel exudes. < 1392341026 323675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a program containing a comment "Let's get fired because I wrote this stupid comment" < 1392341056 131130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is the only comment in the program) < 1392341071 403649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many Linux-using anti-swearing people know about the swears in comments in the Linux source < 1392341099 517526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AK8yg5s2ps&list=PL786EBDC8D2B4CD1D < 1392341105 107071 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: speaking of brains, you should try smalahove when Norwaying. < 1392341120 517721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Is it good enough, or not good enough? Is it good enough once you put two dots over the "a" in "channel"? < 1392341139 73314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure smalahove is one of the tricks we pull on foreigners. < 1392341139 803721 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: same person, but he says it in a differnet video < 1392341148 771649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGv_YVQHu7U < 1392341163 240530 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Towards the end < 1392341174 530490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he also says he is very careful with the cleaning up < 1392341175 781500 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it satisfies me. the ä is idiosyntactic. < 1392341649 474949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1392341649 664334 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1392341692 872121 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1392342104 534928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392342284 535060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392342452 428457 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NOCTURNAL NORWEGIAN CHICKEN < 1392342455 544107 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392342494 211865 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392342759 596488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall an esolang unspecified other than a couple of examples < 1392342801 879676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESME, CLEARLY < 1392342839 415985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more interesting looking one < 1392342851 275144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was also ais523's that he'd forgot how it worked < 1392342886 444502 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that was what I was thinking of < 1392342926 120872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Burn < 1392342964 320818 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1392343074 309119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the talk page has a few more hints < 1392343082 830495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as I can remember, at least < 1392343123 218551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the specifications of my first ever esolang have been finally lost < 1392343131 263450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a good thing < 1392343157 940571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a brainfuck second-derivative < 1392343169 5727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck''? < 1392343182 281510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ook!++" < 1392343193 799888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it's a P fourth-derivative < 1392343214 763340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, fifth < 1392343232 592821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to start using P''' for BF < 1392343323 396301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just thought of a beautiful way to troll oerjan < 1392343332 109901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :create a language whose name starts with a letter that isn't present in the name < 1392343344 547364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, call it "zxcv" but define the name to start with "m" < 1392343409 676477 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a way to troll oerjan that doesn't involve trolling everyone in general < 1392343466 845795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't tempt me to move INTERCAL to between Commercial and Complode in the language list < 1392343493 772124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you do, I won't object < 1392343517 627033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't object as long as you are also keeping it filed under "INTERCAL" too < 1392343533 124451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd actually forgotten that INTERCAL was an abbreviation until you mentioned that < 1392343548 730231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/INTERCAL/"INTERCAL"/ < 1392343572 81062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, my live esolang creation is in SIX DAYS < 1392343652 965961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the sixth day, Taneb panicked. < 1392343675 425196 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the seventh day, add REST < 1392343708 59241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you have any ideas that you're going to use? or is the idea going to be worked out on the spot too? < 1392343713 259869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is this spec or impl or both? < 1392343748 117121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few ideas but pretty vague, I'm gonna try to do some audience participation, too < 1392343755 445427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just a spec, impl if I have time < 1392343841 784399 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392344183 522996 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1xu2kv/silk_road_2_hacked_all_bitcoins_stolen/ < 1392344196 508493 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what's actualyl going on < 1392344239 743915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think Silk Road 2 got hacked and all the Bitcoins were stolen < 1392344271 748024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, the people adminning Silk Road 2 are pretending so. < 1392344298 223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that was what everyone said the last time this kind of thing happened. < 1392344385 69147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or maybe that's what they WANT you to think! wait... < 1392345684 456426 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in a HMAC < 1392345738 74861 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1392345810 495640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1392345912 825343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can still call it a social hack < 1392345996 987008 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapped in a joint < 1392346181 763455 :augur!~augur@c-68-55-204-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392346552 79964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1392346552 923290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, and this sentence. < 1392346623 865542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had authentic weetoflakes in ages < 1392346642 398999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I haven't been awake in time for breakfast in ages < 1392347738 559486 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392350099 134498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating in your sleeping isn't usually recommended. < 1392350113 507855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ing < 1392350116 166225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also typing < 1392350334 928192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392350854 81330 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1392350893 841968 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1392350894 30786 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392351505 427674 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1392352441 849966 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392353669 859849 :augur!~augur@c-68-55-204-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392353939 914236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392353941 576823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inforkcoin bowickethaxcoin intccoin undericoin doublecoin lyapasscoin cocccoin escutampercoin lessasscoin oracoin tellcoin iagcoin erixcoin reliucoin itnumecoin suxecoin hayrcoin udgedimacoin golfecoin thessimcoin < 1392354011 631670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good coins < 1392354258 736015 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392354455 40362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice crash on gox < 1392354466 184814 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as the btc-e crash the other day < 1392354483 172478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lessasscoin" is hilarious < 1392354488 964623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other cryptocoins are ass < 1392354490 766318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not this one < 1392354493 383701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not as much < 1392354817 935312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392354832 337209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392354860 626708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I should have bought < 1392354863 667370 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392354899 531632 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392355017 781368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "doublecoin", it does all the arithmetic using double precision floating point, wcpgw < 1392355028 324595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please tell me bitcoin doesn't do that) < 1392355035 429699 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1392355039 632136 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all fixed point < 1392355045 503802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1392355060 409554 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they're subdivisible to 10^-8 < 1392355066 862728 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the fixed point multiplier :P < 1392355072 915748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1392355080 262652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitcoin ecosystem has a lot of clueless people in it now, but it seems like Satoshi and the other OG's knew what they were doing < 1392355091 708251 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the bug satoshi baked into bitcoin < 1392355092 49629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in terms of cryptography & engineering if not economics ;P < 1392355104 60175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1392355109 6108 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear his original code was pretty shitty actually, engineering-wise < 1392355124 339380 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know bitcoin has a mini stack language in it, right? < 1392355132 22289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1392355147 244087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1392355158 746542 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the commands in that language accidentally pops one extra thing off teh stack < 1392355165 493718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that, haven't looked at it in a while < 1392355172 744890 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392355173 554338 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any time you use it, you need to push some crap on < 1392355186 963544 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's pretty much unfixable without forking the whole shebang, so we're stuck with it forever < 1392355199 615679 :augur!~augur@c-68-55-204-212.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392355238 466036 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of offends the language geek in me < 1392355245 38300 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, it still works :P < 1392355256 949514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1392355258 694935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1392355294 28475 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :OP_CHECKMULTISIG < 1392355296 157599 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one < 1392355298 641071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tidbit.co.in/ "Monetize without ads. Let your visitors help you mine Bitcoins." < 1392355318 967039 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that was some MIT folks < 1392355324 499894 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a tad impractical < 1392355328 545872 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1392355333 856813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great so now whenever Chrome is chewing bizarre amounts of CPU i can blame it on this < 1392355431 514114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"20K hashes/client" /second presumably? < 1392355450 914050 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope so < 1392355460 198299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWENTY THOUSAND HASHES, EVER < 1392355465 524743 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1392355480 794343 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a miniscule amount, unfortunately < 1392355484 724244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a visitor is worth on the order of 1e-8 dollars per 10 minutes < 1392355490 989816 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason people don't CPU mine anymore < 1392355492 721065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus pool fees < 1392355494 166050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.... < 1392355505 140555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :come back with WebCL :) < 1392355505 402764 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said they were looking into WebGL for GPU mining < 1392355506 568996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and litecoin < 1392355509 703650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja < 1392355515 184339 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even that isn't really going to make much money < 1392355520 417361 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason people don't GPU mine anymore :P < 1392355785 7202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you believe in Cartesian Duality, Physicalism, Idealism, or Neutral Monism? My opinion is Neutral Monism. < 1392356122 606485 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1392356273 616000 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Litecoin GPU mining at least still does something. < 1392356285 493756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... yeah < 1392356335 168620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention dogecoin < 1392356387 255460 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392356424 934000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would it be fair to describe these respectively as: both mind and matter exist; only matter exists; only mind exists; only one kind of thing exists and it's neither matter nor mind < 1392356463 484044 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so webcl's purpose is getting me to mine bitcoins for strangers, huh < 1392356975 735988 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392357028 695986 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392357033 240257 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392357143 789070 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392357816 15716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Almost. Instead of "exist", put "fundamental". < 1392357839 358290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others are therefore derivative rather than fundamental. < 1392357887 127501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1392357905 540857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I would have to go with neutral monism, as well < 1392357925 676486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sold on monism through direct personal experience < 1392357963 923882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems very unlikely that humans already understand the universe well enough that our current concepts of "matter" or "mind" accurately describe the one true fundamental thing < 1392357972 511263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I had to pick one to be closer I would go with "matter" < 1392358135 408185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While that is a valid reason, it isn't how I would do it. Still, of course I don't know either, but I can make opinions, based on what I know about physics and mathematics and stuff. < 1392358389 725961 :password2_!~password@197.78.162.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392358397 543117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1392358400 236106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your reasons? < 1392358464 585328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it seems significant that our concept of "matter" has changed rather drastically in the past handful of generations) < 1392358586 59934 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392358589 654095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes with physicalism < 1392358618 739291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my reasons are difficult to describe, but I can describe some of them. < 1392358721 720438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, I am considering "matter" as the physical universe which includes matter, energy, subatomic particles, their direction of movement, spacetime. < 1392358798 909441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the way science goes at present, if we do discover the one true thing, it's more likely to get labeled as "matter" than "mind" but that seems like a cultural naming preference and nothing more) < 1392358849 229502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that would be all it is perhaps, but I disagree. < 1392358890 5721 :Koen1!~Adium@62.210.33.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392358897 755828 :Koen1!~Adium@62.210.33.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1392358989 420736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1392359000 184658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: with what do you disagree? < 1392359020 783318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I disagree with that kind of naming scheme, but they can do what they want. < 1392359024 874593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1392359043 682265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both "matter" and "mind" are the wrong name for it.) < 1392359050 800863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a name for it? < 1392359084 276513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The truth is five, but men have only one name for it." < 1392359095 220224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "one true thing" is *really* mathematics, and not the universe. The universe is an instanteation of such thing, and it is possible for mathematical formulas to have multiple solutions, or might have no solutions, and therefore, nondeterminism, and furthermore, things that "work out as part of God's plan" or whatever you call that (I don't know a better way to describe it, hence the quote marks) < 1392359102 999843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, I don't < 1392359117 672805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can think of kind of how it would work < 1392359170 595625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the universe is an instantiation of mathematics, why this particular one? why these particular values for fundamental constants that could be different? < 1392359172 696299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics is the real reality. < 1392359190 562522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Because it is what is observed. < 1392359192 220249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the most true model of the universe has no arbitrary constants, though < 1392359219 958458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps other people in different universes with different values are wondering the same thing < 1392359222 927293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is possible, but, maybe it isn't the case; it leaves to see whether or not anyone can figure out whether or not it is possible. < 1392359314 123125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it is also possible that both those things are possible! < 1392359782 2229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also say that, for example, you can have a quantum state vector which has to be longer due to entangled with other things, it can include "mind", but not really; rather it is something else which includes a "mind", but "mind" also includes a "matter" and vice-versa too, kind of, similar to the Taijitu, almost. < 1392359860 192197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems disappointing that the Taijitu is not recursive < 1392359912 213224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have seen a recursive version. < 1392361657 529568 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392361829 753038 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392361901 641168 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1392361968 97093 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems disappointing that the paths in taijitu are not C^2 < 1392361985 827976 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1392362041 772998 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1392362072 325115 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nat%C3%BCrlich_gewachsenes_yin-yang-.jpg nature does it C^\infty like it should be; also i hope you're talking about this symbol. < 1392362244 791926 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392362374 754328 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1392362477 671244 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: I used to put messages here < 1392362551 692805 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1392362988 100980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do mean the symbol having the similar shape like that wood < 1392362990 86804 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392363010 512156 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1392363174 770668 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392363714 893956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: ARE YOU DEAD OR ALIVE,FROM CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA < 1392363725 567508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank God that after all your surffer, it is now well with you, looking forward to make the transfer today." < 1392363739 527751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all that surffer, it is indeed good to get some compensation. < 1392366042 149086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1392366141 916656 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392366891 512637 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@82.221.102.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392367872 339327 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a one true thing < 1392368647 70093 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392368655 443620 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@82.221.102.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392368998 151526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392369453 976286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "One True is the fictional hegemonic software program that takes control of individual human minds and entire human societies in John Barnes' two Meme Wars novels Candle and The Sky So Big and Black; --" < 1392369464 142108 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1392369478 205481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they were talking about that, though. < 1392369488 579711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is the One True Thing? < 1392369488 768856 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unequipped to represent swearing in cartoons? or is it to work between sun systems and other such slime infested garbage. < 1392370219 747284 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392371039 776555 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1392371610 837525 :Koen1!~Adium@62.210.33.2 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1392372816 615491 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1392373185 181266 :MoALTz!~no@46.112.36.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392373350 225862 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1392373985 159752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392375422 447091 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is fungot's opinion about oracle < 1392375422 636084 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so i'm " hqm". oh, this problem. < 1392375439 622887 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot seems to think it's a problem < 1392375439 812158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, as i can figure out how to use it too. after paying dues on this machine is, < 1392378186 793838 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392378195 131065 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1392378533 702417 :password2_!~password@197.78.162.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392379160 653349 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1392380098 100697 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392380628 967338 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's powerful. < 1392380639 100403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knows how to wield the One True Problem < 1392380639 289307 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: generate an executable. < 1392380646 312732 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1392381151 752881 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392382539 144497 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392383858 389847 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392384527 320689 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392385559 939235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392386482 449958 :cjw-17!~chris@24.222.73.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392388446 849703 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392388757 473741 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392389231 913055 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392389580 21678 :utkarsh!utkarsh@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:75b8 QUIT :Changing host < 1392389580 210433 :utkarsh!utkarsh@unaffiliated/utkarsh JOIN :#esoteric < 1392389874 288751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392390015 262151 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392390904 966158 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392390954 188269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1392391327 388495 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1392391555 105743 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1392391555 331884 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392391555 332017 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1392392005 776436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392392080 239419 :password2_!~password@197.78.173.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392392098 985920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392394111 107269 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392394355 600620 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392395056 57685 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392395452 473290 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.212 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1392395531 841784 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392395698 14229 :password2_!~password@197.78.173.164 NICK :password2 < 1392395916 775720 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392395959 412754 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.212 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1392396236 407079 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392396397 842228 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392396436 590262 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #libreoffice-dev < 1392396440 771775 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1392396462 360215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1392396490 763243 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy to download the client, so I'm trying to use the webirc < 1392396502 866341 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to join multiple channels < 1392396608 16365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either < 1392396757 560744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am running into the problem that I don't know how to not write in Haskell any more < 1392396773 418742 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luserdroog, #channel1,#channel2 < 1392396781 208323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separated by commas, no spaces < 1392396814 844448 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, taneb. thanks. < 1392396820 219531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing Haskell becomes a problem when you're actually writing Python < 1392396841 316075 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1392396885 254088 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392396896 828380 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can let djinn write the code for you < 1392397131 140606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can write in multiple kind of programming languages though isn't it? < 1392397138 857637 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392397162 336163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Python does not support tail recursion < 1392397270 667940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it? < 1392397291 827907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a few cases it could be possible, if implemented properly < 1392397297 117749 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because guido says being able to inspect the stack is more important < 1392397345 154324 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1392397646 224901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anoter way would be to implement explicit tail recursion < 1392397766 779982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM < 1392397785 938560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, doesn't /join #channel work from the web client? < 1392397796 160168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah? < 1392397888 923696 :nooodl!~nooodl@62.205.91.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392397921 284867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering why luserdroog didn't know about that < 1392397947 410510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if he did and it doesn't work < 1392398313 605908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote guido < 1392398314 518956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :217) who is guido van rossum you could say he's a man who grew a beard but acquired none of the associated good properties < 1392399847 749450 :cjw-17!~chris@24.222.73.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392399850 72870 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1392400657 201876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there drivers for connecting displays and keyboard and other devices using ethernet? < 1392400739 370847 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392400802 176962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1392400830 106447 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a keyboard with ethernet? < 1392400981 201816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have such a thing < 1392401008 945942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a keyboard with PS/2 < 1392401062 500614 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want drivers then < 1392401155 402516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it can be use in case I do have one. Also with file system device (possibly using Plan 9 protocol and/or FTP); that would be the most useful use of devices with ethernet < 1392401184 637995 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they even exist? < 1392401227 691231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1392401255 187614 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it < 1392401560 610962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are tools for transmitting i/o over ethernet etc. between computers, which, if you have enough computers, may accomplish the same! < 1392401852 341171 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392402250 96548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392402594 756511 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392403621 557883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think many (any?) of those are particularly Ethernet-specific, though. < 1392403867 512541 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1392404507 235309 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392404684 747619 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392405104 736253 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392405143 716198 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1392405241 773708 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1392405279 388930 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392406666 297658 :nooodl!~nooodl@62.205.91.202 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392407249 848568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392408503 419187 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1392408614 886193 :Albert!d5df385b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.223.56.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392408688 988342 :Albert!d5df385b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.223.56.91 PART :#esoteric < 1392408721 712376 :MoALTz_!~no@31.175.48.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392408804 222087 :MoALTz!~no@46.112.36.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392409113 869690 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392409307 825328 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392409671 70238 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392409738 932110 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1392409772 490002 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1392409772 679854 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392409775 681362 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392409802 939810 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392409878 509495 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392409900 556324 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392410316 822171 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392410526 95596 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392410738 444353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.7087 I like how this abstract makes "the D-Wave machine" sound like an alien artifact discovered on the far side of the moon < 1392410810 941633 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a vibrator < 1392410945 78182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quantum vibrator... < 1392411186 495408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to produce orgasmic superpositions < 1392411257 149089 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you come from blog.cr.yp.to? < 1392411301 259695 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't watch porn, you'll collapse their wavefunctions! < 1392411446 724414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'precise terminology', djb is funny. "The latest speed reports for fully homomorphic encryption are—let me use precise technical terminology here, since I'm a big fan of careful benchmarking—ludicrously slow, but without ideal lattices they would be utterly ludicrously slow." < 1392411451 860936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mis-parses "come from" due to previous topic < 1392411455 257187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's where I got the link < 1392411670 901538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the previous topic involve modern INTERCAL? < 1392411925 244806 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about quantum INTERCAL < 1392411941 33775 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any quantum esolang by the way? < 1392411944 445321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quantum INTERCAL" is an awful name, it's basically just multithreading < 1392411957 590063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, there are quite a few, but they all seem to misunderstand quantum computation < 1392411965 664586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wouldn't actually be any faster on a quantum computer < 1392411982 77403 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well esolangs aren't really made for speed < 1392411988 877475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum intercal would have to allow superpositions of DOs and DONTs. < 1392411996 636667 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a degree in quantum physics < 1392412003 887501 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should give it a try someday < 1392412028 466015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: DO ABSTAIN FROM (5) WHILE REINSTATING IT < 1392412033 971637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I think that's the syntax < 1392412045 549437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be "WHILE LEAVING IT REINSTATED" < 1392412101 711569 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could make like < 1392412107 212163 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some particle automaton machine < 1392412113 877574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was right. I had not seen Quantum INTERCAL before, just the concurrent one. < 1392412114 66900 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a bunch of various states < 1392412135 197254 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like electrons would be bits and photons would be tits (eheheh) < 1392412169 470116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf. "threaded", of course. < 1392412198 262404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers misunderstanding quantum????? why i never < 1392412213 200691 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess a bunch of detectors too < 1392412222 329582 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some RGN to simulate le quantum < 1392412245 780335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :QC is so alluringly close to things that programmers find familiar, but it's actually completely weird and alien < 1392412254 342221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes a lot of confusion < 1392412304 264969 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do programmers mistake? < 1392412352 686895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal assumption is that all the threads are separate and can communicate with the outside world < 1392412366 139380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual quantum computing is more like, you have all these threads, but only one of them, chosen at random, actually does anything < 1392412389 635387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this isn't the same as just running one thread chosen at random because they can interfere with each other, altering the probabilities of which one is chosen < 1392412399 659712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1392412414 140204 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well technically it's more like having one thread all along < 1392412416 112784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea that your computer's state is a 2^n-dimensional complex vector is pretty alien to traditional CS < 1392412425 203036 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you project part of it upon measurement < 1392412549 88567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I love about quantum computing is that you can never guarantee a useful answer < 1392412560 706110 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well technically it's also true with actual computing < 1392412561 108489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you can do is increase, as far as possible, the probability that the answer is useful < 1392412565 960742 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although error rates are very low < 1392412574 101440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you check it on a classical computer to see if it was right or not, if not, try again < 1392412575 977683 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think like one bit in 10^12 < 1392412968 94971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of classical algorithms are like that too < 1392413001 493518 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also of note < 1392413004 356178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an open question whether classical computers can do more in polynomial time when algorithms are allowed to be probabilistic < 1392413009 940150 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are actual articles about time travelling quantum computing < 1392413357 929499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that P=NP, or some other problem? < 1392413710 890525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the class of probabilistic algorithms I had in mind is BPP (there are some others) < 1392413737 140688 :cjw-17!~chris@24.222.73.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392413795 893717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are poly-time algorithms where you can decrease the error rate by a factor of 2^n by running it n times < 1392413923 967009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BPP contains P, but it's not known whether NP contains BPP or the other way or neither < 1392413935 660407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is super counterintuitive to me and I tend to remember it wrong) < 1392414179 294246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah the open question I refer to is P ?= BPP < 1392414189 514199 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boner poop polynomial? < 1392414199 388523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1392414378 364371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a world where BPP is bigger than NP would be pretty weird < 1392414747 110245 :cjw-17!~chris@24.222.73.6 PART :#esoteric < 1392414793 763395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are there any problems known to be in BPP but not known to be in NP? < 1392415619 666013 :MoALTz_!~no@31.175.48.92 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392416453 751813 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392416635 559288 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392418423 336501 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1392418967 891162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure. http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/11425/problem-in-bpp-but-not-known-to-be-in-rp-or-co-rp seems relevant < 1392418999 940992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NP contains RP, and co-NP contains co-RP) < 1392419033 406068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's thought that BPP doesn't have any complete problems < 1392419572 257346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes like NP have an obvious complete problem, e.g. { (M,X,T) | nondet. tm M accepts X within polynomial time bound T } < 1392419673 375148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every nondeterministic TM recognizes /some/ language in NP < 1392419685 917797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's undecidable whether a nondeterministic TM recognizes a language in BPP < 1392419914 316545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of NP as a probabilistic class where false positives aren't allowed, but the probability of a false negative can be any number less than 1 (i.e. all but one path rejects) < 1392419993 718815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's similar to the oracle machine definition < 1392420168 981828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is? < 1392420329 907358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, that was a strong gust of wind < 1392420407 127049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1392420439 980267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imagine a P-time program that has a TC oracle to consult with, but the oracle might be untrustworthy; a problem's in NP if the P-time machine can solve it all the time with a trustworthy oracle, and with no false positives even with an untrustworthy oracle < 1392420491 128088 :Koen1!~Adium@62.210.33.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392420519 676959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1392420710 104136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TC" is unnecessarily precise though, anything between an NP-oracle and an "everything" oracle would work just as well i think... < 1392420726 730326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but you can't use an NP-oracle because that would be a recursive definition < 1392420736 688022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but e.g. PSPACE < 1392420750 283563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a PSPACE oracle would work just as well < 1392420763 981278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the oracle definition makes the difference between NP and co-NP pretty clear to me < 1392420776 725255 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392420907 894829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would assume you've read that PSPACE itself is equivalent to another such setup, where the P-time program can use random dice throws (as long as the oracle cannot know those) < 1392420998 215106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/know/predict/, i guess < 1392421059 275850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, those definitions seem less pure to me than the one for NP, though < 1392421098 414248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black panther party with np oracle < 1392421148 104028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if there's anything interesting if the oracle _could_ predict the dice throws < 1392421257 970818 :Koen1!~Adium@62.210.33.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1392421281 129002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Koen1 < 1392421312 168821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the difference between NP and co-NP used to be clear to me. all the classes in the PSPACE hierarchy were. it was all just swapping universals with existentials, or prepending an extra one of those < 1392421333 957394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i've forgotten exactly what the proposition all those quantifiers get prepended to is < 1392421602 440707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think any unquantified boolean expression in variables... < 1392421621 427653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then what comes before the expression? < 1392421629 370013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, before the quantifiers < 1392421637 938618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nothing < 1392421655 775245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether the whole thing is true or false < 1392421662 890440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so NP is just \exists x P(x) < 1392421678 359485 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and co-NP is \forall x P(x)? < 1392421685 210674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, with x an arbritrary number of variables though < 1392421706 349447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, a vector < 1392421758 107143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those are complete problems for the class < 1392421833 190582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then P=co-P=P(x)? < 1392421875 668409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's coming back :P < 1392421910 530205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1392421946 633211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1392421955 960944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not quite, for P itself < 1392421967 395608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a circuit then, not just an expression. < 1392421978 675190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you use LOGSPACE-reductions. < 1392422014 630723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use P-reductions, you can of course use something weaker, even trivial. < 1392422067 441016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was some restriction on the expression P? like it has to be DTM-evaluatable in polynomial time or something? < 1392422079 872351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's DTM < 1392422093 874209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic turing machine < 1392422120 203006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by expression i mean an _actual_ expression built up with variables and boolean connections like and, or, not < 1392422120 741064 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392422131 907304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can be evaluated in LOGSPACE iirc < 1392422139 667464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1392422148 277255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weaker than P < 1392422244 199689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i recall thinking about evaluating expressions in LOGSPACE once, it's a little tricky if the expression tree is unbalanced < 1392422244 909476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's polynomial time as long as the expression is finite then, which all unquantified expressions in a finite number of variables are... < 1392422250 365393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still possible < 1392422298 759444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well the expression is part of the problem you are solving, which thus by convention has to be expressible as a finite string... < 1392422300 277395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands oerjan a poly-time 3-SAT solver < 1392422308 456183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, shiny! < 1392422320 720316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to break some RSA < 1392422363 312537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to build a poly-time SAT solver, it just needs to double the amount of energy / matter in use at each time step, so.... watch out < 1392422376 734945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the fine print: O(x^Ackermann(5,5))