< 1392508988 269723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i remember. < 1392509567 693970 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type safePerformIO < 1392509568 526056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `safePerformIO' < 1392509719 998326 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let safePerformIO :: IO a -> IO a; safePerformIO = id < 1392509721 561157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1392509982 897789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :saferPerformIO :: IO a -> IO (IO a) < 1392509989 306955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :safestPerformIO :: IO a -> Fix IO < 1392510018 694078 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussing haskell on an esoteric languages channel... seems legit ;-) < 1392510032 260820 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :unperformIO < 1392510068 799254 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix IO is a good type < 1392510076 585979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome blotter < 1392510077 738783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08blotter: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1392510863 827660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the drought here will finally end tomorrow < 1392510871 405373 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: safePerformIO :: IO a -> IO a; safePerformIO = unsafeCoerce < 1392510974 703855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformState :: State s a -> a < 1392510979 233503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericSafePerformIO :: IO a -> IO b < 1392511107 739358 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forever < 1392511108 752376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m a -> m b < 1392511227 352360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: is it good for something, or just good in general? < 1392511235 329825 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just good in general! < 1392511245 390271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Free IO is more useful < 1392511247 603028 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a library for dealing with it < 1392511253 353799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, that one's boring < 1392511275 644643 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let kindaSafeIO :: IO (IO a) -> IO a; kindaSafeIO = join < 1392511276 635300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1392511286 356103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever' :: Fix IO -> IO b < 1392511343 742716 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever? i hardly know'er! < 1392511358 834900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: let's go with Cofree IO then < 1392511366 970923 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1392511457 456008 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree IE IO < 1392511516 176669 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392511589 609712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Coffee < 1392511877 460502 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392512069 707376 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392512101 479200 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1392512194 923875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cofree IO would have one response and then the IO action which can continue, to give you another Cofree IO, so you can stop in between each step. < 1392512663 936077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1392512722 341482 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that a continuation? < 1392512738 907178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, not quite < 1392512787 396218 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a generator < 1392512808 89552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, perhaps that is what it is more like. < 1392512809 983090 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a state machine < 1392514016 797800 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392514611 44044 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392515111 71186 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1392515926 88479 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392516377 248057 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392516697 80606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392517131 597469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering the usage pattern of functors in lens, would it be so terrible to have a container that also contained the fmap function to use on it? < 1392517526 356902 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1392517647 950484 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392517833 120369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you implement lenses as a setter and getter, you don't need fmap at all < 1392517875 273018 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: but then how do I implement prisms, and can I even implement traversals? < 1392517904 745315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I did at first, implement a lens as a setter and getter, although at the time I didn't know any other way and also didn't know it was called a "lens". < 1392517929 93193 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not sure, figure it out < 1392518208 726296 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392518366 726565 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392518664 642605 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hello oerjan, thanks < 1392518707 222362 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have any more information on Feather than the wiki provides? < 1392518798 153314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for ais523 who refuses to talk about it, not much. < 1392518895 207527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be something hidden in the logs, unfortunately our bot-based search of them has broken. < 1392519125 107040 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392519148 218218 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest94082 < 1392519163 189515 :Guest94082!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1392519210 62829 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1392519697 379094 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1392519883 723142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I also feel like van Laarhoven lenses can help me avoid making mistakes, like having a lens be a pair of setter+getter instead of modifier+getter < 1392519903 721560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the former, modify would be in terms of set+get, but I don't want to force the existence of get < 1392519913 343075 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I handled that, but I don't know what else I may be missing < 1392520035 548660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, you can always implement set in terms of just modify, so you should go with that < 1392520046 993496 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: and that's what I did do < 1392520055 974980 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure what other pitfalls I have to be careful of < 1392520072 766897 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there are any data structures for which set would make sense but modify wouldn't < 1392520107 244782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there are some, then modify wouldn't be used except as a "const" function anyways. < 1392520241 85477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a data structure which doesn't actually store a value would qualify < 1392520329 65837 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want prisms to exist, I think. Not sure if I need traversals < 1392520342 783597 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapped already exists in terms of my getter/modifier pair < 1392520361 816475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So data Phantom a = Phantom < 1392520515 874226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modify for that would have to use bottom in Haskell, and in a strict language, I don't know what it'd do < 1392520529 80622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: um no, modify works perfectly well < 1392520552 82124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens never to call the function to modify with < 1392520606 449620 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I suppose that'd work < 1392520620 943939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like map with an empty list < 1392520656 694605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, nevermind < 1392520669 184548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a data structure for which set is valid but modify isn't < 1392520691 706002 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392521257 755708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392521274 443282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392521674 835323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should continue attempting to write my struct-lens macro < 1392521688 662823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I change implementations later, the macro would still be useful < 1392521761 140460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing is, I know how to write modify but not get < 1392521936 267330 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392521957 989390 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392522362 773776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That data Phantom a = Phantom; just has fmap do nothing, join do nothing... A data of the same structure is also called "Proxy", or "Finalize" (which is what I called it, due to reasons having to do with category theory). < 1392522392 109104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any final object of any category, there is a corresponding Finalize monad on that category, isn't it? (And, for initial objects, a corresponding Initialize comonad.) < 1392523513 185605 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1392523691 874726 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392523767 714840 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Roy's deadly to undead energy thing... what if Durkon is standing too close when the sword is used? < 1392523951 84968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe he will be dead < 1392524168 20904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392524169 693096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beforecoin impcoin lingarcoin nybernmcoin lllcoin delcoin wherpiloventecoin 0x25666thicaencyklan/mcoin 1lemationecoin rincoin .yacuablencoin etacoin mentinrcoin choncoin condicoin hannencoin quancoin worbeitcoin spoolfebowlcoin kayakcoin < 1392524201 740239 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392524230 316916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lllcoin -- the proof of work is finding a short, nearly orthogonal lattice basis? < 1392524368 161365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long before the arrival of etacoin < 1392524488 909234 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392524980 485754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that work < 1392525066 777824 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eddacoin. proof of work is done in the form of extemporal sagas < 1392525094 815697 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/yesterbits/status/434827571008925696/photo/1/large anyway < 1392525591 359617 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1392526146 154823 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392527337 992017 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess at least some use cases for non-lens things in Haskell might be unnecessary in Racket, with a bit of imperative magic? < 1392527364 514206 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm, even if strictly unnecessary, could still be convenient < 1392527420 1590 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would rather have a 'how many items in this collection' lens than need to "modify" the collection with a thing to collect the answer < 1392527428 647550 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lens" < 1392527443 425970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1392527445 776491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392527447 151607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malcoin waitcoin sokovcoin kelxircucoin miccoin fugicoin locktrycoin boilcoin wadcoin beforecoin quoicoin friedcoin selacoin lazepterixcoin versedcoin livingcoin synccoin proriggethisesocoin protatiumbradacronymcoin realcoin < 1392527540 597495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/13/tech/innovation/termite-robots-aaas/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5 < 1392527549 497762 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of avoiding the centralized blueprint? < 1392527557 666139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've seen beforecoin before < 1392527594 935375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kentucky Friedcoin < 1392527615 723696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me gives boily one boilcoin < 1392527627 404198 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot how to /me, apparently < 1392527636 285236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can you tell me why I am awake. < 1392527642 186896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently listening to Bloc Party. < 1392527651 204650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because you're not asleep < 1392527700 40188 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392527703 425452 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392527731 140966 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392527734 93652 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392527785 451034 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392527791 94723 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392527994 72501 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392528347 906081 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392528431 657952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would a hardware programming language be designed for quantum computers? < 1392529172 540638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure that there are already papers on this < 1392529226 184326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that instead of specifying a block of logical equation "assignments" that happen at once, you would specify any self-adjoint operation on whatever subset of "variables" you like < 1392529255 925185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitary, not self-adjoint hth < 1392529262 421574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1392529288 768087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1392529419 306962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's hard to think about compiling a quantum HDL because nobody quite knows what physical form a quantum computer will take or what its primitive operations will be < 1392529446 136275 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a job for rampant speculation < 1392529467 296194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like doing boolean logic but you don't know whether it will synthesize to CMOS gates or pneumatic tubes or DNA linking up < 1392529487 614972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe it is less uncertain now; my understanding is sketchy and may be years out of date) < 1392529524 419836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway any universal quantum computer will be able to implement a CNOT gate, and you can compile any quantum circuit to CNOT gates + rotations, but this may not be a natural or efficient way to implement your quantum HDL < 1392529579 805783 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any dna computer vhdls < 1392529716 883676 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1392530032 265605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I would think that you would specify self-adjoint operations, but that still doesn't explain much about how timing, measurements, etc would be specified; well, CNOT gates and rotations can be built-in primitives even if you can define your own things too < 1392530043 966085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1392530067 781143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean any quantum computer for the forseeable future is going to be kind of a quantum coprocessor to a conventional computer < 1392530086 873333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a conventional computer costs like $20 and works at room temperature < 1392530095 409866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them better for a lot of things < 1392530139 568580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I am trying to think of how to do it with hardware designing, rather than software (already QCL and stuff exists), and to allow to combine quantum with classical in one file < 1392530160 625754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I too think it is supposed to be unitary rather than self-adjoint, but I am not a real physicist so I don't really know < 1392530176 712205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably timing and measurement will be dictated by the classical part < 1392530183 362417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll specify a measurement basis in the quantum HDL though < 1392530194 745653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really read one of these papers instead of speculating but that sounds less fun < 1392530675 712326 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something quite odd just happened < 1392530685 172722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the lock on my door does not work < 1392530870 955412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nite < 1392530955 385871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have to bust your way out < 1392531031 156510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but someone walked in < 1392531104 800601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you were in a... compromising position? < 1392531119 729673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but she was in her underwear and seemed somewhat confused < 1392531185 265050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked her politely to leave < 1392531220 660348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your door look like a bathroom < 1392531252 598159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In as much as a door with my name on it can < 1392531275 940311 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is not "Toilet", "Ladies'", "Gents'", or any variation thereof < 1392531317 425357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whiz palace < 1392531342 954507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't your name dutch, though < 1392531348 702845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps she couldn't read dutch < 1392531360 112531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SW∃DíSH TJÖILETŜ < 1392532315 1788 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392532722 760309 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1392532829 843386 :password2!~password@197.78.182.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392533141 844633 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392533452 399608 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392534975 745494 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392535404 887183 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :break out your busted too-clever postscript code! I wrote a debugger (requires and interpreter, like gs): https://github.com/luser-dr00g/debug.ps < 1392535950 102336 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow thought Nazi Temple of Doom would be more exciting... < 1392536034 47234 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how is it I've never heard of Battle Beyond the Stars? Robert Vaughn AND Hannibal from the A-Team??! smokemifygotem < 1392536326 656781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the quantum operations supposed to be triggers or what else? That part I don't quite understand. < 1392536342 932150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I do (mostly) understand what the operations are. < 1392536739 28614 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the beginning. < 1392537066 875207 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading in here http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/rosetta/rose3.pdf that quantum operations are modifiers on the hilbert space. < 1392537094 813705 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can say is that I know what each of those words means individually. < 1392539841 815548 :password2!~password@197.78.182.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392540527 717525 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1392541968 238394 :password2!~password@197.78.168.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392543821 152938 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392543956 597825 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392544137 133055 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392544137 607453 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1392544758 839025 :password2!~password@197.78.168.205 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392545518 130829 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392545518 319755 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1392547891 139856 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1392548616 508471 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392548640 236813 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest34605 < 1392548715 11227 :password2!~password@197.78.185.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392548728 578386 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392548879 624416 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h JOIN :#esoteric < 1392548887 161416 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1392548892 166846 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to check if a character is equal to another character in BF < 1392548906 886100 :CADD__!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392548919 281973 :CADD__!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1392548920 888724 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this https://gist.github.com/wjessup/4688874 but I can't figure out how to copy cell 1 to cell 2 without zeroing cell 1 < 1392548921 743281 :Guest34605!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392549098 45867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexagon: you typically need some auxiliary cell. [->+>+<<] duplicates a value. < 1392549118 912092 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1392549121 816659 :password2!~password@197.78.185.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to copy instead of move? < 1392549141 600239 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, because that gist says to have 3 as value of all three cells < 1392549152 121785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one duplicates to the next two cells assuming they are initially zero) < 1392549531 796655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~help bf < 1392549546 583803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help bf < 1392549546 772720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1392549799 764468 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392550730 142125 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1392550866 526168 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is dealing with multiple values in Scheme supposed to be painful? < 1392550892 512658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of maybe transliterating Traversals into something like 'lens that gets and modifies multiple values', but I have no idea if that's sane < 1392550925 415418 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In either the 'this is equivalent to traversals' or 'this will be nice to do in Racket' sense < 1392550973 136159 :password2!~password@197.78.185.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392551066 333076 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the obvious way is call-with-values sending the values to list < 1392551195 110317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-8/srfi-8.html for making multiple values rather less painful. < 1392551281 230466 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's just let-values in Racket < 1392551286 290459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which also has define-values) < 1392551306 892630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are all perfectly well and good except they assume you know how many values are incoming < 1392551309 660714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think let-values supports the "rest" syntax thing. < 1392551318 847390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't need to know that for receive. < 1392551325 34744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's analogous to lambda argumets. < 1392551325 870758 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right, oops < 1392551386 448577 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket does ship with SRFI-8 < 1392551402 455413 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I hate let-like forms < 1392551436 828658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lang s-exp srfi/provider srfi/%3a8 < 1392551448 50457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1392551448 643030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ((l (call-with-values (lambda () (values 1 2 3)) list))) ) -> (receive l (values 1 2 3) ), pretty much. < 1392551472 860486 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not make me more appreciative of let-like forms < 1392551491 887889 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm inclined to worship internal defines < 1392551631 721124 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/plt/racket/blob/master/pkgs/srfi-pkgs/srfi-lite-lib/srfi/8/receive.rkt < 1392551645 821440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't use the reference implementatiion, it defers to let-values < 1392551682 93094 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392551817 252484 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When it can) < 1392552042 521494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I don't remember syntax-rules, will (receive (var ...) [...]) match (receive (a b . c) [...])? < 1392552131 6276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't, I ... think < 1392552152 445960 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm, I can see why that's an interesting question < 1392552192 295126 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should avoid using body ... for bodies so much? Because ... hmm < 1392552204 60063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation is defective if it does, since (let-values (((a b . c) [...])) [...]) is not allowed. < 1392552209 595961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it doesn't. < 1392552238 931209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the parts only match a proper list. < 1392552361 242275 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, multiple value get returns to emulate traversals... in case the traversal 'gets' just one element, it doesn't need special processing, which fits more closely in a dynamically-typed language than requriing something for that case would < 1392552400 466973 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I can't actually enumerate all of a real traversal's values, can I? < 1392552401 385747 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1392553130 783506 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1392553306 231281 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this code not returning different values for input "a" and "ab"? < 1392553308 211599 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,>,>[[-]>>[-]+<<]>[[-]>[-]+<]>>[-]+<[>-<]>. < 1392553315 867179 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea taken from http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/558979/BrainFix-the-language-that-translates-to-fluent-Br equality code < 1392553325 511617 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using http://mazonka.com/brainf/bfdebug.html, tried ideone too < 1392553339 161898 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, "aa" and "ab", sorry < 1392553398 197021 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait < 1392553412 102700 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I need more code, I'm actually supposed to already set less and more first < 1392553415 105962 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1392553711 872687 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll mess with that later, bbl < 1392554447 70697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392554806 91659 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392554980 908421 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1392555043 137766 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@77.49.230.157.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1392555383 722468 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1392556601 878582 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392556609 113275 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392557679 742260 :password2!~password@197.78.181.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392558234 868962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexagon: Assuming a zero-initialized tape, your >,>,>[[-]>>[-]+<<]>[[-]>[-]+<]>>[-]+<[>-<]>. reduces to >,>,>>>>+. no matter what the input, as all the [] blocks will be skipped. < 1392558259 546274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps that's what your "already set" comment meant.) < 1392558412 641896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, something like (untested) ,>,[-<->]+<[>-<[-]]>[ code here if two characters were equal ] is the obvious destructive compare-two-characters snippet. < 1392558479 664835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In words, that's "input two characters, subtract second from first; set a flag; if result of subtraction was nonzero (i.e., characters not equal) clear the flag; do something if flag still set". < 1392558773 943894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do? < 1392559758 385505 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1392559849 160609 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392561228 456486 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good yogurt morning! < 1392563766 618233 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1392565097 228130 :nooodl!~nooodl@62.205.90.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392565743 532163 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392565818 193228 :itsy!~digital_w@79.251.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392566090 369429 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TILED CHICKEN < 1392566098 401399 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392566474 119279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1392566535 422093 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392567177 989755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are the quantum operations supposed to be triggers or what else? That part I don't quite understand. <-- you can think of them as reversible assignments on the qubits. e.g. a^= b or a+=b is a valid quantum operation if a and b are distinct qubits, as are the operations that rotate the quantum phase of a qubit. < 1392567377 127715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also an operation might change more than one qubit. < 1392567876 346960 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:111d:f5d2:fe65:5bdf JOIN :#esoteric < 1392568505 610604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392568523 44935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392568863 869415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392569170 940766 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:111d:f5d2:fe65:5bdf QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1392569288 924879 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392569389 742286 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392569389 969477 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1392569961 771758 :nooga_!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392570114 169514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I can clearly see that an operation might change more than one qubit < 1392570117 745918 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392570386 384286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392570404 974406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see where such assignments can go other than in triggers, and maybe you might sometimes want to put them elsewhere. < 1392570451 945622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are triggers? < 1392570494 726449 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1392570494 931572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1392570495 363135 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1392570495 556223 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1392570495 556362 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1392570495 748920 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1392570498 14563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigger on a (classical) clock edge. < 1392570533 385252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that would seem a plausible way < 1392570594 534439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the physics are still up in the air. if the qubits were e.g. stored in _moving_ particles, then the assignments might happen when they arrive at some destination. < 1392570625 588422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the syntax for triggers on classical signals in HWPL: TRIGGER vec SET vec TO vec [WHEN bit]; and in Verilog, you use "always@(posedge clk)" instead. Similar thing could be done for quantum registers? < 1392570655 728827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they were stored in some silicon-like material, then a system more similar to current VLSI might be more likely. < 1392570670 384622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the assignments are happening when they arrive, that can work too if you put in the relative (or absolute) delays for them < 1392570706 759811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392570767 747004 :nooodl!~nooodl@62.205.90.87 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1392570801 533787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a system more similar to current VLSI, exactly, in quantum computing? < 1392570848 180506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that the quantum gates could be put as physical devices on chips < 1392570937 316200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson has been writing about this more or less toy system called boson sampling, which could be based on light and mirrors. < 1392570961 504340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that wouldn't seem to be full quantum computing < 1392570994 494063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still of some interest since it might still have some superclassical abilities < 1392571013 300627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might be simpler to construct than a full quantum computer < 1392571044 808931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand that the intended error correction scheme for a quantum computer would make circuits thousands of times larger < 1392571054 329759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a full quantum computer < 1392571168 236303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If quantum gates are put as physical devices on chips, do they need to be activated or something? Or would it be continuous as a signal passes a gate? (Even in such a case, they would still need to be activated somehow, I think). What if error correction is also explicitly programmed in using hardware programming languages? What about entanglement with external devices (which might be used in cryptography, for example)? < 1392571187 529931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there needs to be the way to specify measurement, and several other things like that. < 1392571230 270511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider maybe something like this: TRIGGER vec OPERATE matrix ON qureg [WHEN bit]; < 1392571239 656991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be? < 1392571257 199955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine they'd _try_ to construct it as close to a "normal" chip as they can, simply for the advantage of being able to use mostly known technology. < 1392571271 24415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with mass production advantages etc.) < 1392571292 102508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't know how you would do that. < 1392571323 680923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do i! they haven't even decided what's best to make the qubits of yet! < 1392571507 952498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, quantum programming languages exist. < 1392571554 705511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i think they mainly make the assumption that you can combine "pure" gates for unitary matrices mathematically < 1392571613 369372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't worry about how that would be implemented physically. < 1392571916 441057 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@77.49.230.157.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392571964 420410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1392572088 144767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392572643 93060 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1392572671 745571 :password2!~password@197.78.181.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392572693 667678 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392572760 146447 :Shiva!~christ@106.206.66.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392572779 731087 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392572992 991976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392573178 389674 :JesseH!~Jesse@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1392573248 797271 :JesseH!~Jesse@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abacus lang < 1392573249 23537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392573510 205704 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392573612 209262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392573962 844236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "skierized vehicle"? < 1392574005 789761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently it just means "equipped to transport skis". < 1392574275 305334 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392575094 746015 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392575203 711071 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392575329 624917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1392575412 656290 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392575674 119859 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392575844 1452 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392575880 767575 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Client Quit < 1392575992 112836 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392577064 226563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Florida Man Accidentally Shoots Himself With Stun Gun While Trying to Rob Radio Shack He Also Works At < 1392577319 942715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He said he needed money to pay for car insurance and his cell phone bill." < 1392577324 325751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's reasonable. < 1392577351 88010 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, I'm trying to make a BF program to print input in reverse, but it's only outputting an ASCII NUL: >,[>,][<.] < 1392577381 273897 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, I did realize that < will make it not print the last character, I'll fix that) < 1392577450 144151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :][ is pointless < 1392577453 998958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a ], the current cell is 0 < 1392577458 40323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore the following loop is always skipped < 1392577487 371385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is true, ][ is useless < 1392577488 827919 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1392577496 257254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except possibly to make up a comment) < 1392577499 157982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoiler: >,[>,]<[.<]) < 1392577516 949270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1392577528 543460 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks! < 1392577993 256374 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/feb/12/ancient-viking-code-deciphered-runologist-jotunvillur < 1392578074 827642 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has got to be one of the most Viking cities anywhere < 1392578077 344422 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runologist sounds like a fake word < 1392578136 832422 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"writing his doctorate on cryptography in runic inscriptions from the Viking Age and the Scandinavian Middle Ages" wow < 1392578175 142698 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy is so fucked on the job market < 1392578231 76403 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he is going to stay on academia? < 1392578263 957789 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe" < 1392578290 217574 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried < 1392578294 374182 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work out so well < 1392578301 765382 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he could probably get a pretty good book deal out of this < 1392578310 346806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to get a book deal? < 1392578317 355867 :Shiva!~christ@106.206.66.31 QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1392578364 780307 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to write a physics book < 1392578371 766766 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt it will sell well! < 1392578374 784600 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even get written < 1392578394 763552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have tried something more popular, like vikings, or SMS. < 1392578521 18230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of physics < 1392578555 965616 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theoretical < 1392578565 598704 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have plenty of physics book ideas < 1392578573 596098 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is called "What the fuck is spin" < 1392578577 3222 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because seriously < 1392578583 509790 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a book I would have liked to have < 1392578593 934734 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most books do not explain it well at all < 1392579004 970675 :password2!~password@197.78.174.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392579673 783832 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392579943 760628 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392580803 742180 :password2!~password@197.78.174.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392580830 819784 :MoALTz!~no@164.127.160.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392580915 249230 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392580973 79624 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392581117 4055 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1392581851 745252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out, not only BULBASAUR [Lv15] wins against MEWTWO [Lv53], but WEEDLE [Lv15] does too. As far as I can tell, any other card isn't guaranteed to win. < 1392582170 359733 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392582221 479449 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392582332 754207 :password2!~password@197.78.166.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392582502 837777 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1392582509 42398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1392582509 231938 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1392582794 54534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: writing popular physics books? good < 1392582927 157701 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said anything about popular < 1392583004 693553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392583006 94746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cteditierdneywaterwcoin trackecoin anyplecoin latliscoin punivatumcoin bytecoin muzcoin xigxcoin geslecoin mismcoin novischesnacecoin smncoin threakcoin exeranccoin gcocoin nusaitzcoin galentincoin dzintycoin sationcoin preficoin < 1392583041 412993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnidariacoin < 1392583095 603131 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytecoin < 1392583133 963257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gelatincoin < 1392583165 564545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gelatocoin < 1392583183 651330 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogecoin is the only coin < 1392583193 231803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: what the fuck is spin, anyway? < 1392583243 368590 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : Buy my book and you will knooow < 1392583248 457774 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway < 1392583261 169076 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spin is neither a relativistic concept nor a quantum one at its core < 1392583311 707573 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the two conserved current associated with rotation < 1392583319 902718 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other being the angular momentum < 1392583385 793103 :password2!~password@197.78.166.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1392584109 444822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1392584117 585194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i know how much spin something has < 1392584122 819880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary particles have a fixed amount right? < 1392584189 753738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody here knows any way of interpreting haskell on android? < 1392584235 648306 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spin is linked with what kind of field you have < 1392584247 584740 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if it's a scalar field or a vector field or something else < 1392584337 287727 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y1g7l/i_have_a_bitcoinfession_and_a_plea_dont_gamble/cfgjhos welp < 1392584479 63322 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a dogecoinfession < 1392584732 6323 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coin < 1392584732 615464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: coin: not found < 1392584735 194800 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392584736 707462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poincoin scomesocoin regiccoin direcoin evercoin anycoin hamcoin jugcoin zetanticoin eflcoin p1eqcoin incoirscrancoin singbramcoin stanchiesends.jscoin hungercoin shelpcoin gativecoin bamcoin beicoin golcoin < 1392584737 423800 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1392584757 281595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhqoin < 1392584817 550211 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1392584881 965212 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392585242 811164 :MoALTz!~no@164.127.160.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1392587086 149199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392587109 721686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! everycoin and anycoin, those complement each other < 1392587130 393443 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungercoin sounds funny < 1392587139 409649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, hungercoin is probably some charity thing < 1392587149 335665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gativecoin is nice < 1392587216 870318 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392587217 932593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392587219 482437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jugarcoin limismetalcoin encecoin sudstrudecoin comcoin strcoin cpticoin fryincoin sqaalcoin finiscrispcoin codpignycoin stepmancoin sigcoin homerlicoin villcoin bffordcoin wakcoin poordcoin bowshogicoin graydorcoin < 1392587240 726338 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this even produce that names? < 1392587257 654828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1392587258 356942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --eng-1M --esolangs ${1-20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' < 1392587500 595583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :increasingly annoyed at the people who show up in ##crypto to plug altcoins and associated scams < 1392587544 789434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: ok I think I understand what a scalar vs. vector field is, but how does it relate to spin? < 1392587733 268577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :poordcoin sounds nice < 1392587766 39728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --esperanto < 1392587767 441533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: esperanto < 1392587805 527656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --finnish < 1392587807 50968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smailcoin < 1392587807 743419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: i'm talking with douglass_ about spin and she agrees that "What The Fuck Is Spin?" would be a good book < 1392587842 942784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --german-medical 5 < 1392587844 315974 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okincoin jugcoin limpeffektivemmundcoin mancoin brascoin < 1392587875 195058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --finnish 10 < 1392587876 665520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :longcoin ulkemastelectacoin paiseporuvcoin suvrejutetecoin excelatlacoin oovemcoin sharjcoin worbcoin kostepcoin raincoin < 1392587895 818560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :longcoin is long < 1392588279 462420 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Slereah__: ok I think I understand what a scalar vs. vector field is, but how does it relate to spin? < If you use Noether's theorem < 1392588288 500662 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which relates symmetries with conserved quantities < 1392588292 718306 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use the rotation symmetry < 1392588302 314124 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will find out that there's always two terms < 1392588311 386726 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the angular momentum < 1392588316 570812 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the spin density < 1392588322 396925 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just spin, in quantum mechanics) < 1392588354 120272 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That quantity depends on the representation of the field$ < 1392588410 605517 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the rotation group acts differently depending on what kind of field you have < 1392588421 531764 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it open season for physics questions < 1392588453 470261 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can find that phenomenon even in classical physics < 1392588473 317593 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the total angular momentum of light will depend on its polarization < 1392588482 633625 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is equivalent to the state of the spin in QM < 1392588526 685566 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see darkcoin, which uses eleven hash algorithms for security < 1392588552 761965 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: #opencl has a shitload of mining people which is especially silly given it's not economical outside of asics, depressing :/ < 1392588575 312183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: bitcoin mining isn't, but maybe they're mining scrypt coins or others? < 1392588586 843057 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1392588590 822748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see http://www.h11e.com/ < 1392588607 501005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: ok < 1392588616 925904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta get writing my science code so i can feel opencl ain't pointless < 1392588634 487285 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good reason for development" < 1392588676 550283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo write a WebGL litecoin miner and out-do http://tidbit.co.in/ (hopefully without the "getting subpoenaed" part) < 1392588696 116326 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: how do dihydrogen cations involve lambert w < 1392588780 807396 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a clue! < 1392588786 931538 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do chemistry < 1392588801 204681 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quantum chemistry! schrodinger equation and shit! < 1392588851 433412 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still chemistryyyy < 1392588884 728039 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first successful quantum mechanical treatment of H2+ was published by the Danish physicist Øyvind Burrau in 1927," < 1392588890 185573 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicist!! < 1392588957 663823 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2272#comic < 1392588980 737223 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one electron though. < 1392589242 919222 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392589496 742159 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1392589496 967322 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392590040 234136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: H2+? Is that just a proton? < 1392590051 935149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two protons and an electron. < 1392590088 630755 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1392590096 409314 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1392590110 309810 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would a proton be H+2 or H++? < 1392590116 63000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no < 1392590119 544066 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one positive charge < 1392590120 304983 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :H+ < 1392590120 559909 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So H+ < 1392590137 814835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And alpha would be He+2? < 1392590143 745185 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha? < 1392590144 135371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or He++? < 1392590150 774865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, helium-4 nucleus < 1392590157 627006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha particle < 1392590175 664248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUW00Y5x1tM&feature=kp < 1392590181 463421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's an ion, so it'd just be 4He < 1392590189 966863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It is, no electrons < 1392590200 377291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell me you've never heard of alpha radiation =P < 1392590206 754732 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :4He2+ then. < 1392590216 377870 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this looks shitty without superscripting < 1392590223 872857 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁴He²⁺ < 1392590239 881889 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1392590269 145116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I was confused about H2+ < 1392590283 577985 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^foo bar _baz ^bak means a molecule with total charge bak, made of baz bar-foo atoms < 1392590302 150970 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's not clear the 2 is meant to be paired with the H and not the +, although it doesn't make sense to have 2+ charge unless there is a positron or something < 1392590333 646974 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're dealing with positrons you're not doing normal chemistry, which is probably for the best < 1392590373 564232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're dealing with the chemistry of beta plus decay < 1392590382 483918 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the positron itself won't be significant < 1392590383 980007 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nukes? pffha < 1392590709 871529 :augur!~augur@50.246.68.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392590898 146412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1392591206 592076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1392591206 781339 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1392591221 398649 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392591233 65285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (spoiler: >,[>,]<[.<]) <-- OKAY < 1392591255 428970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented it independently! < 1392591260 191569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be done any shorter? < 1392591263 809360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1392591267 558461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do ,[>,]<[.<] if not for the left underflow < 1392591269 829328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess i believe you) < 1392591281 591036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>,][<[.<]] < 1392591296 56466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's longer though :< < 1392591298 253362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1392591300 365133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dumb and stupid. < 1392591305 415597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1392591436 151039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392592487 851402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : does anybody here knows any way of interpreting haskell on android? <-- my impression from recent release notes is that ghc is gradually getting more support for ARM but android isn't yet working... < 1392592543 14276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reddit posts, probably < 1392593959 331105 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric