00:01:10 * boily sings “Aimai san senchi sorya puni tte koto kai? Cho! ♪”
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01:44:38 <oerjan> i see metasepia also agrees that boily should take drugs for his hangover
02:02:38 <ion> 2CELLOS – Thunderstruck http://youtu.be/uT3SBzmDxGk
02:10:11 <Sgeo> My YouTube favorites is broken
02:10:14 <Sgeo> I can't seem to add to it
02:10:26 <Sgeo> At least, it seems to let me try to add to it, but it never displays
02:10:36 <Sgeo> And sometimes it shows as 100 videos instead of around 1,700
02:42:30 <Sgeo> Would it be reasonable to stream games from an EC2 instance?
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03:39:06 <zzo38> Someone wrote to 2600 to apologize for stealing previous issues of the magazine.
03:49:15 <kmc> copumpkin, oerjan, Bike: thanks for birthday wishes <3
03:50:00 <shachaf> oh, you're back from guesthood
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04:05:19 <oerjan> the love of money is the root of all evil, kmc
04:06:14 <kmc> lol https://github.com/ruby-prof/ruby-prof/blob/master/ext/ruby_prof/rp_measure_cpu_time.c#L40-46
04:07:24 <zzo38> Yes, although some people say it wrong, by omitting "love of"
04:07:38 <zzo38> (and also ", kmc")
04:07:58 <oerjan> omitting ", kmc" is clearly abhorrent
04:08:06 <kmc> this is what happens when Kids These Days don't learn how operating systems work
04:09:27 <kmc> if you're on a microcontroller
04:10:00 <copumpkin> a microcontroller that runs x86 or ppc
04:10:22 <kmc> the intro EE class at my school uses an x86 microcontroller (sort of)
04:10:33 <kmc> and ppc is popular for embedded too. what's a microcontroller, etc
04:12:00 <zzo38> Are there computers connecting peripheral devices (other than the primary keyboard/video/audio) with ethernet and TCP/IP?
04:13:18 <zzo38> A good idea would be to have one dedicated port for the keyboard, and the mouse and joystick are chained with the keyboard.
04:13:31 <kmc> good old ADB
04:13:35 <kmc> but USB can also do that of course
04:14:21 <zzo38> Yes they can, but USB has its own problems. Especially with autoplay and all of those things; the primary input devices should be a dedicated port, it would be more sensible, and faster.
04:14:37 <Bike> what's bad about the code snippet
04:14:49 <zzo38> And make a smaller BIOS code to read them.
04:15:11 <kmc> Bike: the argument to nanosleep is only a lower bound; when your process actually gets scheduled again is up to the whims of the OS
04:15:14 <zzo38> Especially if it is a code only to use standard input device and standard display, and a built-in Forth interpreter, then other things can be added on afterward.
04:15:25 <kmc> it's also not even a lower bound, because it can be interrupted by a signal
04:15:51 <kmc> that's why there's a second argument from which you can determine how much of the time intervals remains
04:16:34 <kmc> struct timespec ts = {...}, rem; while ((nanosleep(&ts, &rem) == -1) && (errno == EINTR)) { memcpy(ts, rem, sizeof(struct timespec); } or some nonsense like that
04:19:39 <kmc> why not? oh can you use the same pointer for both?
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04:21:06 <shachaf> no, ts is a timespec, not a pointer
04:21:19 <shachaf> why not just ts = rem or something?
04:23:18 <shachaf> not that this is e. relevant to what you were saying or anything
04:26:36 <newsham> yah, use ts= rem so the compiler inserts the memcpy for you :)
04:27:53 <shachaf> well, you probably want &s if you're memcpying?
04:31:35 <kmc> yeah I forgot the ampersands
04:31:46 <kmc> and didn't remember if there's some catch to struct assignment in C
04:31:52 <kmc> but it's prolly ok
04:33:05 <zzo38> I think you can assign variables of struct types fine in C
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04:38:11 <kmc> Bike: also the time stamp counter read by get_cpu_time() isn't necessarily synchronized between CPUs, and its rate may or may not vary with CPU frequency scaling
04:38:18 <Sgeo> The game I want to stream from an EC2 instance is Worms: Armageddon
04:38:22 <kmc> and a system call like nanosleep() is a perfect time for the OS to move you between CPUs
04:38:24 <Sgeo> Doesn't exactly require fancy graphics
04:40:33 <shachaf> memcpy seems like a bit of a lie since the values will probably be in registers anyway
04:42:46 <shachaf> well, maybe not in this case
04:44:07 <kmc> not here, yeah, because you need to pass a pointer to the OS
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05:00:24 <zzo38> See if this game rules can be applied to a Go game; it would be really strange, compared to using with chess. http://www.chessvariants.org/multiplayer.dir/anynumber.html
05:06:16 <newsham> [18:42] < shachaf> memcpy seems like a bit of a lie since the values will probably be in registers anyway
05:06:21 <newsham> by the time you call memcpy it wont be!
05:10:14 <zzo38> Hofstadter's BlooP is equally powerful without IF, ABORT LOOP, and QUIT BLOCK. In fact, it works even if you also omit multiplication and comparison operators (although comparison operators wouldn't do anything without the IF statement anyways).
05:10:46 <zzo38> The same is not true of FlooP due to the MU-LOOP command.
05:12:01 <zzo38> Although maybe it is if you still allow ABORT LOOP only for use with MU-LOOPs; I haven't actually proven this, though. Do you know the proof of this?
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05:58:33 <oerjan> "_C’est la vie_, as Zeno of Citium might have said had French been invented before c. 262 BC."
05:59:29 <zzo38> Even if it had been invented, doesn't necessarily mean Zeno might have spoken French.
05:59:59 <oerjan> no, but it would surely have improved the chances
06:00:20 <zzo38> But I don't know how much
06:03:22 <zzo38> How slow is memcpy, usually?
06:47:46 <newsham> memcpy is usually pretty optimized.. but how to answer that question? it depends...
07:02:42 <zzo38> I mean compared to other things, and compared to the length of the data
07:04:05 <kmc> usually compilers have special knowledge of memcpy and can turn it into a fully unrolled sequence of movs, or rep movsq on amd64, etc.
07:05:10 <zzo38> But there is also non-x86 computers too, and even if it is x86 it may be 32-bit programs rather than 64-bits, and someone might want to compile for MMIX or JVM, etc
07:08:06 <Slereah> Most CPUs have movs though
07:09:06 <Slereah> Although it does have lw for memory moving, so nevermind
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07:22:26 <kmc> it's a load/store architecture like most RISC
07:26:02 <kmc> i don't know if any flavor of MIPS has a bulk memory copy
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07:28:16 <kmc> ARM allows to load/store any-ish subset of registers at once, with auto increment/decrement too http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0204j/Cihcadda.html
07:42:29 <ais523> kmc: that sort of feature's often used to implement a fast memcpy, isn't it?
07:42:54 <ais523> or in particularly, a fast software blit (back in the days before GPUs were common)
07:43:52 <copumpkin> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.faqs/ka13544.html
07:43:56 <kmc> also register save/restore for functions
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09:35:01 <fizzie> Possibly notably, the ARM bulk load/store instructions have been eliminated from the A64 instruction set.
09:35:28 <fizzie> Much like PUSHA/POPA from x86-64, come to think of it.
09:36:01 <fizzie> "The LDM, STM, PUSH and POP instructions do not exist in A64, however bulk transfers can be constructed using the LDP and STP instructions which load and store a pair of independent registers from consecutive memory locations, --"
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09:36:20 <fizzie> (That's from the "ARMv8 Instruction Set Overview".)
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18:27:07 <kmc> find -delete isn't POSIX? :(
18:27:14 <kmc> can't have nice things
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18:53:15 <kmc> just more moving parts
18:56:34 <newsham_> so you just need to put /bin/sh into /usr/bin/find !
18:56:44 <newsham_> you already have -delete, now just a few more commands
18:57:02 <newsham_> dont forget all of the other useful /bin/* tools
18:58:12 <ais523> isn't -delete needed to stop people screwing around with symlinks?
18:58:58 <newsham_> perhaps. does it keep a handle on the dir its traversing?
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20:03:51 <fizzie> I'd certainly hope "find -delete" runs on unlinkat(2).
20:06:54 <fizzie> Doesn't seem to be guaranteed in the (GNU findutils find) documentation, though.
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20:20:11 <olsner> I like -delete mostly because I still haven't figured out what the -exec syntax is
20:22:22 <kmc> it's wacky
20:24:07 <Bike> i have no idea how to use find, at all
20:25:22 <olsner> Bike: it's a bit like prolog
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20:28:19 * Bike nods, takes notes
20:28:55 <olsner> find even also has a cut operator (not sure if it's similar to prolog's cut though, since I never got the hang of what that really did)
20:31:48 <kmc> now I want to make a demonstration of logic programming using find
20:34:56 <myname> Bike: :D i always do "find . | grep filename"
20:35:39 <olsner> myname: omg, doesn't even handle newlines in file names!
20:36:10 <myname> olsner: i do not have files with newlines when i am looking for something
20:36:27 <myname> i won't use that in a public script, though
20:37:05 <newsham_> echo 'find . -type f |grep "$@"' >~/bin/ff
20:38:01 <newsham_> echo 'find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 grep "$@"' >~/bin/fgr
20:39:38 <kmc> fgr for "fucking grep already" i presume
20:39:43 * kmc uses ack-grep or git grep
20:40:38 <olsner> git grep replaced most find/grep combinations I would've done otherwise
20:40:53 <newsham_> could be also "find-grep" or "file-grep"
20:41:13 <newsham_> i find/grep lots of src trees that dont belong to me which arent from git
20:42:29 <newsham_> also "git grep" is too long to type..
20:43:34 <Bike> ok this is boring. NEW BORING QUESTION: you all know what a palindromic integer is. what's a palindromic float
20:44:09 <newsham_> whats the last digit of a transcendental number?
20:44:34 <myname> does it have to be palindromic as a bitstream or as a decimal number?
20:44:35 <newsham_> what's the last digit of "1.0" for that matter?
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20:45:30 <Bike> i'm not quizzing you, i'm asking what you think it should be.
20:45:38 <myname> NaN should be a valid float palindrome :)
20:45:54 <newsham_> in the typogrpahic sense, i dont think the palindrome should be well defined
20:46:37 <newsham_> integers in a given base have a unique typographic notation.
20:46:49 <myname> maybe infinite, too, if you write it with the symbol
20:47:02 <myname> also, 0 is in every case (binary and decimal)
20:47:51 <newsham_> > let inf = show (1.0 / 0.0) in reverse inf == inf
20:49:23 <newsham_> ?let palinfloat x = show x == reverse (show x)
20:49:44 <newsham_> > palinfloat 1.09999999999999999999999
20:50:37 <myname> i disagree with the last one
20:51:07 <myname> also: why isn't thehre a lambdabot for xmpp mucs
20:52:12 <newsham_> ?faq can haskell code be abstracted so that bots can run across arbitrary chat networks?
20:52:13 <lambdabot> The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that.
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20:52:52 <myname> oh, there seem to be forks now
20:58:32 <olsner> > 1.09999999999999999999999
21:00:42 <olsner> kmc: also, could find (if you remove some boring things like -exec) be turing complete?
21:00:50 <olsner> (perhaps assuming no path length limit)
21:00:51 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `.'
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21:01:36 <Bike> > palinfloat 4000.0005
21:01:44 <Bike> > palinfloat 4000.0004
21:01:59 <Bike> > palinfloat 5000.0005
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21:07:07 <olsner> Bike: what's the widest possible palinfloat?
21:07:49 <Bike> > palinfloat 5000000.0000005
21:07:58 <Bike> > palinfloat 5000000000.0000000005
21:08:14 <Bike> > 5000000000.0000000005
21:08:24 <Bike> > palinfloat 500000000.000000005
21:08:30 <Bike> > 500000000.000000005
21:08:33 <Bike> > 50000000.00000005
21:08:40 <Bike> > palinfloat 50000000.00000005
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21:10:01 <olsner> > palinfloat (50000000.00000005 :: Double)
21:10:10 <myname> what to do with a .cabal file?
21:10:13 <lambdabot> Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a -> b0))
21:10:13 <lambdabot> arising from the ambiguity check for `e_1750005'
21:10:13 <lambdabot> from the context (GHC.Real.Fractional (b -> c),
21:10:13 <lambdabot> bound by the inferred type for `e_1750005':
21:11:22 <olsner> yeah, that's a pretty nice way of writing infinity
21:39:39 <Gregor> shachaf: http://qdb.us/309823 You're famous
21:40:53 <shachaf> does it even make sense without context
22:22:01 <int-e> Once upon a time, on an IRC channel far, far away. (that, or I don't get it.)
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22:39:05 <int-e> `hello help <-- won't work.
22:41:47 <int-e> fungot: maybe you can help out?
22:41:48 <fungot> int-e: used it to build distributable libraries. i already found it. it's an interesting characterisation.. you may pass.
22:41:50 <fungot> FireFly: if you put num first, you might want to try to make it
22:44:14 <olsner> fungot: will you be here for us always?
22:44:14 <fungot> olsner: sorry i'm slow, here.
22:45:58 <int-e> fungot: just take your time
22:45:59 <fungot> int-e: you wont have to bother packaging riatables for debian separately. :) at least i haven't seen any doomsday fnord in the last two black pieces and subtract the numbers on each row is being listed with the quotes
22:46:38 <int-e> fungot: tell me more about this doomsday fnord
22:46:38 <fungot> int-e: i could be wrong, but the drum and bass is at http://jungletrain.net.
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23:26:16 <int-e> fungot: have you firewalled your coffee machine?
23:26:29 <int-e> fungot: you disappoint me
23:26:29 <fungot> int-e: i was wowing the yowing. i'd like to use sxml document transforms.
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