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Especially with autoplay and all of those things; the primary input devices should be a dedicated port, it would be more sensible, and faster. 04:14:37 what's bad about the code snippet 04:14:49 And make a smaller BIOS code to read them. 04:15:11 Bike: the argument to nanosleep is only a lower bound; when your process actually gets scheduled again is up to the whims of the OS 04:15:14 Especially if it is a code only to use standard input device and standard display, and a built-in Forth interpreter, then other things can be added on afterward. 04:15:25 it's also not even a lower bound, because it can be interrupted by a signal 04:15:32 a nothing 04:15:51 that's why there's a second argument from which you can determine how much of the time intervals remains 04:16:34 struct timespec ts = {...}, rem; while ((nanosleep(&ts, &rem) == -1) && (errno == EINTR)) { memcpy(ts, rem, sizeof(struct timespec); } or some nonsense like that 04:16:51 UNIX 04:18:52 memcpy(ts, rem,)? 04:19:39 why not? oh can you use the same pointer for both? 04:20:11 -!- Frooxius has joined. 04:20:17 maybe i'm confused here 04:21:06 no, ts is a timespec, not a pointer 04:21:19 why not just ts = rem or something? 04:23:18 not that this is e. relevant to what you were saying or anything 04:26:36 yah, use ts= rem so the compiler inserts the memcpy for you :) 04:27:53 well, you probably want &s if you're memcpying? 04:31:35 yeah I forgot the ampersands 04:31:46 and didn't remember if there's some catch to struct assignment in C 04:31:52 but it's prolly ok 04:33:05 I think you can assign variables of struct types fine in C 04:34:18 -!- tertu has joined. 04:38:11 Bike: also the time stamp counter read by get_cpu_time() isn't necessarily synchronized between CPUs, and its rate may or may not vary with CPU frequency scaling 04:38:18 The game I want to stream from an EC2 instance is Worms: Armageddon 04:38:22 and a system call like nanosleep() is a perfect time for the OS to move you between CPUs 04:38:24 Doesn't exactly require fancy graphics 04:40:33 memcpy seems like a bit of a lie since the values will probably be in registers anyway 04:41:24 regfilecpy 04:42:46 well, maybe not in this case 04:44:07 not here, yeah, because you need to pass a pointer to the OS 04:53:03 -!- chaiomanot has joined. 04:57:39 -!- password2 has joined. 05:00:24 See if this game rules can be applied to a Go game; it would be really strange, compared to using with chess. http://www.chessvariants.org/multiplayer.dir/anynumber.html 05:06:16 [18:42] < shachaf> memcpy seems like a bit of a lie since the values will probably be in registers anyway 05:06:21 by the time you call memcpy it wont be! 05:10:14 Hofstadter's BlooP is equally powerful without IF, ABORT LOOP, and QUIT BLOCK. In fact, it works even if you also omit multiplication and comparison operators (although comparison operators wouldn't do anything without the IF statement anyways). 05:10:46 The same is not true of FlooP due to the MU-LOOP command. 05:12:01 Although maybe it is if you still allow ABORT LOOP only for use with MU-LOOPs; I haven't actually proven this, though. Do you know the proof of this? 05:26:42 -!- chaiomanot has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:33:50 -!- MoALTz has joined. 05:58:33 "_C’est la vie_, as Zeno of Citium might have said had French been invented before c. 262 BC." 05:59:29 Even if it had been invented, doesn't necessarily mean Zeno might have spoken French. 05:59:59 no, but it would surely have improved the chances 06:00:03 Yes 06:00:20 But I don't know how much 06:03:22 How slow is memcpy, usually? 06:47:46 memcpy is usually pretty optimized.. but how to answer that question? it depends... 07:02:42 I mean compared to other things, and compared to the length of the data 07:04:05 usually compilers have special knowledge of memcpy and can turn it into a fully unrolled sequence of movs, or rep movsq on amd64, etc. 07:05:10 But there is also non-x86 computers too, and even if it is x86 it may be 32-bit programs rather than 64-bits, and someone might want to compile for MMIX or JVM, etc 07:08:06 Most CPUs have movs though 07:08:10 Except fucking MIPS 07:08:14 I hate MIPS so much 07:09:06 Although it does have lw for memory moving, so nevermind 07:20:38 -!- FreeFull has quit. 07:22:26 it's a load/store architecture like most RISC 07:26:02 i don't know if any flavor of MIPS has a bulk memory copy 07:26:35 -!- ais523 has joined. 07:28:16 ARM allows to load/store any-ish subset of registers at once, with auto increment/decrement too http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0204j/Cihcadda.html 07:42:29 kmc: that sort of feature's often used to implement a fast memcpy, isn't it? 07:42:54 or in particularly, a fast software blit (back in the days before GPUs were common) 07:43:22 yeah 07:43:52 http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.faqs/ka13544.html 07:43:56 also register save/restore for functions 07:59:00 -!- newsham_ has joined. 08:03:27 -!- zzo38 has quit (*.net *.split). 08:03:28 -!- newsham has quit (*.net *.split). 08:21:41 -!- Tritonio has joined. 09:35:01 Possibly notably, 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traversing? 19:00:03 -!- atrapado has joined. 19:08:24 -!- SCR1845-6357A has joined. 19:11:34 -!- SCR1845-6357A has left. 19:17:25 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 19:20:29 -!- shikhout has joined. 19:23:09 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:23:10 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 19:34:48 -!- password2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:54:24 -!- atslash has joined. 20:03:51 I'd certainly hope "find -delete" runs on unlinkat(2). 20:06:54 Doesn't seem to be guaranteed in the (GNU findutils find) documentation, though. 20:15:01 -!- ais523 has quit. 20:20:11 I like -delete mostly because I still haven't figured out what the -exec syntax is 20:22:22 it's wacky 20:24:07 i have no idea how to use find, at all 20:25:22 Bike: it's a bit like prolog 20:27:24 -!- conehead has joined. 20:28:00 like prolog: it's wacky 20:28:19 * Bike nods, takes notes 20:28:55 find even also has a cut operator (not sure if it's similar to prolog's cut though, since I never got the hang of what that really did) 20:31:48 now I want to make a demonstration of logic programming using find 20:34:56 Bike: :D i always do "find . | grep filename" 20:35:39 myname: omg, doesn't even handle newlines in file names! 20:36:10 olsner: i do not have files with newlines when i am looking for something 20:36:15 so i guess it i okay 20:36:27 i won't use that in a public script, though 20:37:05 echo 'find . -type f |grep "$@"' >~/bin/ff 20:38:01 echo 'find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 grep "$@"' >~/bin/fgr 20:38:30 olsner: -exec rm {} \; 20:39:38 fgr for "fucking grep already" i presume 20:39:43 * kmc uses ack-grep or git grep 20:40:38 git grep replaced most find/grep combinations I would've done otherwise 20:40:53 could be also "find-grep" or "file-grep" 20:41:13 i find/grep lots of src trees that dont belong to me which arent from git 20:42:29 also "git grep" is too long to type.. 20:42:42 good guy git grep 20:43:34 ok this is boring. NEW BORING QUESTION: you all know what a palindromic integer is. what's a palindromic float 20:44:09 whats the last digit of a transcendental number? 20:44:13 irrational number 20:44:34 does it have to be palindromic as a bitstream or as a decimal number? 20:44:35 what's the last digit of "1.0" for that matter? 20:45:12 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:45:30 i'm not quizzing you, i'm asking what you think it should be. 20:45:38 NaN should be a valid float palindrome :) 20:45:54 in the typogrpahic sense, i dont think the palindrome should be well defined 20:46:12 myname++ 20:46:37 integers in a given base have a unique typographic notation. 20:46:44 reals do not. 20:46:49 maybe infinite, too, if you write it with the symbol 20:46:57 infinite is not a number 20:47:02 also, 0 is in every case (binary and decimal) 20:47:05 it's a float 20:47:19 > reverse "Inf" == "Inf" 20:47:20 False 20:47:41 > show (1.0 / 0.0) 20:47:42 (even as 0.0) 20:47:42 "Infinity" 20:47:51 > let inf = show (1.0 / 0.0) in reverse inf == inf 20:47:52 False 20:49:23 ?let palinfloat x = show x == reverse (show x) 20:49:24 Defined. 20:49:31 > palinfloat 0.0 20:49:33 True 20:49:39 > palinfloat 1.1 20:49:41 True 20:49:44 > palinfloat 1.09999999999999999999999 20:49:46 True 20:50:37 i disagree with the last one 20:51:07 also: why isn't thehre a lambdabot for xmpp mucs 20:51:25 mucs? 20:51:35 multi user chats 20:52:12 ?faq can haskell code be abstracted so that bots can run across arbitrary chat networks? 20:52:13 The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. 20:52:40 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 20:52:52 oh, there seem to be forks now 20:58:32 > 1.09999999999999999999999 20:58:33 1.1 21:00:42 kmc: also, could find (if you remove some boring things like -exec) be turing complete? 21:00:43 > 1 21:00:44 1 21:00:50 (perhaps assuming no path length limit) 21:00:50 > .99999999999999 21:00:51 :1:1: parse error on input `.' 21:00:57 > 0.99999999999999 21:00:57 0.99999999999999 21:01:02 > 0.999999999999999999999999 21:01:03 1.0 21:01:10 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:01:13 no! 0.999999999999999999999999 != 1 21:01:36 > palinfloat 4000.0005 21:01:38 False 21:01:44 > palinfloat 4000.0004 21:01:45 True 21:01:59 > palinfloat 5000.0005 21:02:01 True 21:03:05 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:07:07 Bike: what's the widest possible palinfloat? 21:07:43 iunno 21:07:49 > palinfloat 5000000.0000005 21:07:51 True 21:07:58 > palinfloat 5000000000.0000000005 21:08:00 False 21:08:14 > 5000000000.0000000005 21:08:15 5.0e9 21:08:24 > palinfloat 500000000.000000005 21:08:25 False 21:08:30 > 500000000.000000005 21:08:31 5.0e8 21:08:33 > 50000000.00000005 21:08:34 5.000000000000005e7 21:08:40 > palinfloat 50000000.00000005 21:08:42 False 21:09:33 -!- PanamaRed has joined. 21:10:01 > palinfloat (50000000.00000005 :: Double) 21:10:03 False 21:10:10 what to do with a .cabal file? 21:10:12 > 7e5000.5 21:10:13 Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a -> b0)) 21:10:13 arising from the ambiguity check for `e_1750005' 21:10:13 from the context (GHC.Real.Fractional (b -> c), 21:10:13 GHC.Num.Num (a -> b)) 21:10:13 bound by the inferred type for `e_1750005': 21:10:16 eat that shit 21:10:46 > 7 * exp 5000.5 21:10:47 Infinity 21:11:14 makes sense 21:11:22 yeah, that's a pretty nice way of writing infinity 21:19:38 > 7e5000 21:19:40 Infinity 21:20:02 ) _ 21:20:03 FireFly: _ 21:39:39 shachaf: http://qdb.us/309823 You're famous 21:40:14 help 21:40:53 does it even make sense without context 22:16:54 What was the context? 22:22:01 Once upon a time, on an IRC channel far, far away. (that, or I don't get it.) 22:24:50 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:28:49 help 22:38:57 no gregor bots 22:39:05 `hello help <-- won't work. 22:41:47 fungot: maybe you can help out? 22:41:48 int-e: used it to build distributable libraries. i already found it. it's an interesting characterisation.. you may pass. 22:41:50 at least we have fungot 22:41:50 FireFly: if you put num first, you might want to try to make it 22:42:01 timing! 22:44:14 fungot: will you be here for us always? 22:44:14 olsner: sorry i'm slow, here. 22:45:58 fungot: just take your time 22:45:59 int-e: you wont have to bother packaging riatables for debian separately. :) at least i haven't seen any doomsday fnord in the last two black pieces and subtract the numbers on each row is being listed with the quotes 22:46:38 fungot: tell me more about this doomsday fnord 22:46:38 int-e: i could be wrong, but the drum and bass is at http://jungletrain.net. 22:47:09 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:50:05 -!- boily has joined. 23:11:16 -!- tertu has joined. 23:15:47 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:19:13 -!- tertu has joined. 23:25:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:26:16 fungot: have you firewalled your coffee machine? 23:26:16 int-e: i want to get 23:26:29 fungot: you disappoint me 23:26:29 int-e: i was wowing the yowing. i'd like to use sxml document transforms. 23:30:15 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:45:58 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Ik ga weg). 23:46:03 -!- PanamaRed has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 23:46:47 -!- Sgeo has joined.