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02:16:32 <Sgeo> Should I try F#?
02:17:15 <kmc> sure why not
02:17:29 <Sgeo> It would be a very functional language in a mainstream IDE
02:17:43 <Sgeo> (That is more of a reason why than a reason why not)
02:18:18 <Sgeo> Also, Idris type providers took the idea from F# apparently, and it seems like an interesting (and good) idea
02:18:25 <kmc> i don't know what "very functional language" means but a few years ago I would have enjoyed arguing about it at length
02:18:41 <Sgeo> Well, more 'functional' than most mainstream languages?
02:18:54 <Sgeo> (Also ripe for arguing about)
02:19:16 <Sgeo> I don't intend to actually state any opinions suggestive of what I think about F#, at least before I start to learn it
02:19:32 <Bike> picturing your opinion posing in lingerie
02:27:05 <Sgeo> Massiva - MIDI sequencer for Windows 95/98
02:28:29 <Bike> jsut gonna picture everything sgeo refers to in lingerie from nwo on
02:35:01 <coppro> what a spectacular annihilation
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04:38:59 <ion> zsh: /home/ion/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Portal 2/portal2.sh: bad interpreter: /bin/bash^M: no such file or directory
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04:43:08 <HackEgo> sumamerlancoin q-balcoin fobberwacoin suxeracoin cutcoin headeltapcoin hexcoin xsmickringcoin rocerecoin flipcoin jgovtocoin amaccicoin gillmarcoin lazzlatlniancoin fubftrcoin flvcoin condicoin louxcoin quangcoin fruhrberwancoin
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04:48:41 <HackEgo> befucoin buccoin nybocoin unbrcoin ted!coin tomiacoin patsrecoin rodyscriptcoin orocoin bencerecoin udainloncoin boobbycoin bawlecoin barburingcoin isoroupcoin snaiacoin hollengraphthisesocoin doflorumcoin cheffolksworkcoin birdetrcoin
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05:03:13 <ion> Switching from the standard Portal 2 (Beta) to the Portal 2 (Beta) [beta] helped.
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05:12:29 <kmc> ion: is it a neutrinoless double beta
05:14:13 <kmc> "he asked if I was a PGP user but I heard 'PCP user'"
05:18:14 <Bike> is there any software for breaking old ciphers? like substitution and vignere and shit, nothing you'd use nowadays? or does everyone just write their own
05:19:41 <kmc> maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrypTool
05:20:22 <Bike> dunno if that's what i want but it looks neat.
05:20:23 <kmc> somebody in ##crypto was claming that CrypTool could distinguish an AES-CTR ciphertext from randomness without knowing the key
05:20:55 <kmc> crypto attracts more than its share of crackpots
05:25:17 <Bike> basically i have a ciphertext corpus of probably-a-substitution-cipher and i'm wondering if i should just break it myself, or write a program to break it for me
05:30:43 <Bike> http://i.imgur.com/pvFCifh.png astronomy is weird
05:30:47 <Bike> astrology rather
05:31:07 <kmc> zzo38ology
05:33:55 * oerjan learns from that that the southern cross isn't actually the constellation containing the south pole
05:36:21 <oerjan> also, except for the "family" part which looks suspect, i suspect most of that is astronomy.
05:40:33 <oerjan> well, bayer and la caille are astronomical, and the zodiac would be historical, but the rest i've never heard about.
05:41:27 <oerjan> as divisions of the sky, that is.
05:42:05 <kmc> somehow that chart reminds me of http://www.obsidianfields.com/lj/nonmonogamy2.5.1.gif
05:42:30 <fizzie> ion: What, is Portal 2 now in LinuxSteam also?
05:43:15 <fizzie> (http://sprunge.us/CWhL also looks suspicious.)
05:44:13 <oklopol> is it cheating to temporarily fall in love on purpose in an open relation ship if you have a just-sex rule
05:44:32 <oklopol> just wondering because there is no intersection between cheating and open relationship
05:45:33 <kmc> "fall in love on purpose" is a weird concept
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05:54:34 <kmc> i don't vouch for the accuracy or usefulness of that chart, I just think it's amusing
05:55:00 <kmc> it is definitely possible to cheat in an open relationship
06:04:21 <oerjan> the astronomical chart definitely is less confusing
06:04:28 <oerjan> (and less overlapping)
06:06:57 <ion> fizzie: yeah
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07:04:46 <password2> oklopol, if you fall in love with another person , you may have never been in love with the first person
07:05:47 <oklopol> it's still cheating if you don't love your partner
07:05:57 <oklopol> at least according to my definition
07:06:56 <kmc> i would say that "cheating" just means breaking the agreed-to rules, whatever they may be
07:07:42 <oklopol> well okay if we agree on that, then i guess my original question is pretty stupid
07:07:48 <kmc> but I also think "would this upset my partner" is at least as important as "does this meet the definition of cheating"
07:08:45 <oklopol> yeah i usually check whether the feeling my partner will get meets the definition of upset before doing anything
07:09:44 <kmc> password2: may have, sure, but it is also possible to truly love more than one person
07:12:11 <fizzie> Sounds like a song title.
07:13:05 <olsner> hmm, what's that i,i thing again?
07:13:12 <kmc> it means "i have no point, I just like saying"
07:13:28 <shachaf> "The grave's affine and private place, / But none, I think, do there embrace."
07:19:58 <kmc> when a couple has two children nobody is like "well that means you didn't *really* love the first one"
07:20:02 <kmc> idk, maybe some people do think that way
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07:23:06 <shachaf> maybe you love each of them half as much as a result
07:23:54 <kmc> that seems pretty ridiculous though
07:23:58 <shachaf> and the more incoming love you have the more you have to distribute
07:27:14 * kmc goes back to thinking about what the eigenvalues of the hookup graph represent. and anonymizing multi-party protocols for computing said graph
07:27:27 <fizzie> #esoteric - applying linear algebra to feelings since [insert ridiculous year].
07:27:35 <kmc> minding the gap since 1996
07:27:56 <kmc> I think that applying linear algebra to feelings is big business now
07:28:12 <shachaf> i should learn linear algebra
07:28:19 <kmc> you should read Nielsen and Chuang
07:28:33 <fizzie> "LOST: Our B&K 4153 artificial ear is missing black circular plate, --"
07:28:42 <shachaf> normally i would put that in my file of things to maybe read
07:28:53 <kmc> fizzie: wow, that's an actual thing
07:28:59 <fizzie> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aww14dg5sis59z2/bk4153.png
07:28:59 <shachaf> but that file is on a disembodied hard drive
07:29:11 <ion> I wish i had a binaural microphone thing.
07:29:25 <kmc> fizzie: the one on the right is labeled in Comic Sans??
07:29:51 <fizzie> kmc: It's apparently a photo of the actual unit they have, the one that's missing the black circular plate.
07:29:59 <fizzie> I don't know how one loses something like that, though.
07:30:03 <olsner> it seems to be missing a foot pad too
07:30:12 <kmc> "#Huawei Rotating CEO announced FusionSphere"
07:30:26 <kmc> apparently Huawei have 3 rotating CEOs in addition to the usual, stationary CEO
07:30:42 <ion> One for each axis
07:30:46 <fizzie> olsner: I see they've fixed it with utmost professionalism.
07:31:31 <olsner> it looks expensive too, I don't think it's been treated with the appropriate respect
07:31:43 <kmc> hehe "stuff some paper under it"
07:31:47 <kmc> looks like tissue even
07:32:55 <fizzie> Couldn't find a price with a quick search, there's just a "request a quote" button at the B&K page.
07:33:01 <fizzie> That is usually code for expensive, though.
07:33:49 <kmc> if you have to ask, it's too much
07:34:02 <ion> I’m sure all the companies have done the math, but it’s unintuitive to me that they’ll maximize sales by hiding their prices.
07:34:31 <kmc> sometimes it's about selling you ``custom'' ``solutions'' that happen to cost exactly as much as they think you're willing to pay
07:34:45 <kmc> that's why all enterprise software is "customized" despite this being a massive pain for everyone
07:36:50 <fizzie> Apparently these days you can also buy ones that look... well, like this: http://www.gras.dk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/3/43ag_web.jpg
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08:09:52 <oerjan> if anyone here has access to a really badass PC (more than 32 simultaneous CPU threads) tromp_ may need your help https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485170.0
08:10:47 <oerjan> also http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ytrld/help_wanted_testing_new_proofofwork/
08:12:25 <Bike> why is every parallel thing i see about fucking bitcoin ;_;
08:12:26 <fizzie> htkallas@hippu3:~> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'processor' | wc -l
08:12:35 <fizzie> Sadly, it's not for playing around with.
08:12:50 <fizzie> Also load average: 13.10, 12.88, 12.29 it's kind of busy at all times.
08:12:51 <oerjan> note, that is _strictly_ more than 32.
08:13:39 <oerjan> Bike: he is actually trying to test if his new scheme is _immune_ to easy parallelization.
08:14:09 <oerjan> it's intended to be bound by memory latency, rather than cpu speed
08:15:39 <oerjan> also, i guess this means he wants those > 32 threads on a single chip
08:15:46 <Bike> why would you intend that, out of curiosity
08:16:13 <fizzie> oerjan: "The largest machine I have access to has 32 threads (dual 8 core hyperthreaded)" -- that sounds like two chips to me.
08:16:37 <oerjan> fizzie: ok maybe single motherboard, whatever (I AM NOT GOOD AT HARDWARE)
08:16:51 <fizzie> (hippu3 is 4*8 cores, apparently without hyperthreading.)
08:17:32 <fizzie> hippu1 and hippu2 would be 8*4 cores both, and hippu4 is identical to hippu3. So they all go up to 32 only.
08:17:42 <Bike> oerjan: do you just mean they should share ram...?
08:17:43 <oerjan> Bike: he wants "normal" computer hardware to be competitive at mining
08:18:09 <Bike> a nice goal and all, but i would think the love of money destroys any hope of that.
08:19:07 <oerjan> Bike: well the idea is to have something that you _cannot_ make enormously more efficient with custom chips
08:19:19 <Bike> yeah, i get that.
08:19:25 <oerjan> (i.e. asics, which afaiu have completely taken over bitcoin mining)
08:19:44 <Bike> i just think somebody motivated by money will probably break it. vague prediction, i know.
08:19:52 <Bike> maybe they'll get custom ram to get less latency, lol
08:20:33 <oerjan> Bike: well i recall tromp saying to the effect that if someone manages to design less latency ram, everyone wins anyway
08:20:54 <Bike> yeah, and if we get better parallelization from bitcoin everyone wins anyway too, i suppose
08:23:18 <oerjan> and also, i think coin mining is not profitable enough to pay for doing fundamental hardware research...
08:24:30 <Bike> god, i hope so
08:24:48 <Bike> but it apparently is profitable enough for people to make asics??
08:28:08 <oerjan> yeah but that's not necessarily true invention, i think i read something like that they get their increased efficiency by being all cpu and no memory... which means tromp's scheme would totally crush them.
08:28:31 <oerjan> (he may have been the one who said it, or it was in one of his discussions)
08:30:46 <Bike> oerjan: it's not invention, i just mean asics are pretty damn expensive as i understand
08:47:45 <HackEgo> subsercoin fluebuacoin pistcoin vowelscoin tweeacoin twentcoin hungcoin qakacoin recucoin doncoin thuecoin unracoin orocoin dupcoin quing-bookcoin schecoin ortecoin parcecoin retacoin domcoin
08:48:24 <myname> also, domcoin for bdsm sites
08:48:29 <kmc> thue-morsecoin
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10:05:10 <ion> You can buy the full version of WinRAR with unracoin.
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10:26:12 <ion> password2: It’s important to know about all the new cryptocoins so we can invest in them.
10:27:09 <password2> so you have a bot that looks for wors containing coin ?
10:27:21 <ion> `run cat bin/coins
10:27:21 <HackEgo> words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g'
10:28:17 <HackEgo> deponscenc niorum guilizier gounde masastii hor hyth chrif lan oife cobdelby behoo hassaling murmed nondani giadamaby sna trim theed berton
10:29:45 <HackEgo> norma humallansa ankohteväksen käyvinansa vikseen hoiltasi lauksistänsä arkoitumasta siden fysisään
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12:06:45 <fizzie> Man, that snarxiv game -- http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/ -- is quite hard.
12:07:41 <fizzie> For a non-physicist, anyway.
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12:17:59 <ais523> I think I've found the explanation; apparently some Ubuntu VMs have en_NZ installed but not en_US
12:18:07 <ais523> in their default config
12:28:24 <elliott> the explanation is gregor set it to that
12:35:13 <Taneb> Today I'm going to enter an arduino competition that I do not really know much about
12:39:26 <oklopol> Taneb: was your esolang creation event already
12:39:50 <Taneb> I didn't think it went well but the audience enjoyed it
12:40:28 <oklopol> can i see an example program
12:42:37 <ais523> elliott: I mean, why he choe that setting
12:44:07 <elliott> ais523: he chose it to amuse himself
12:44:12 <elliott> it was unset or something before
12:44:40 <ais523> markov chain, I think, the same way as fungot
12:44:40 <fungot> ais523: playing mmorpgs again? :p. ugh i need to look at
12:44:51 <oklopol> those are pretty good except for the horrible lack of vowel harmony
12:46:02 <elliott> `pastlog Markov assumption 0
12:46:33 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/pastlog: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory
12:47:35 <fizzie> If I don't misremember, it's character trigrams.
12:47:58 <fizzie> So very close to fungot indeed, except with characters instead of words, and a fixed context size.
12:47:58 <fungot> fizzie: that's how all the various variations on which link exactly is weak). i'm tempted to participate in cycling through finland every year, but at some point back in 2.4.x.
12:49:12 * ais523 imagines fungot cycling through Finland
12:49:12 <fungot> ais523: if ( ( if ( move) ( mark 1 300) doesn't seem to define any s-expression based language and turning it into a string
12:49:26 <ais523> I can't really imagine what fungot looks like in person, so my mental image just has a bike zooming along by itself
12:49:27 <fungot> ais523: this will actually be more like doctors learning 100 year old techniques to see what advice you get.
12:50:46 <fizzie> I think I used fungot's Perl babble generator to make up words at one point, by just interspersing in spaces before training, and tr -d ' ' after output.
12:50:47 <fungot> fizzie: check the ,in command does.
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13:22:35 <fizzie> <html lang="en-US-x-Hixie"> -- HTML5 spec at w3.org.
13:23:22 <ion> Hah, brilliant.
13:30:11 <ais523> what would be great would be if Hixie added the -x- suffix to languages just for that purpose
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13:38:10 <elliott> ais523: -x- is standard, afaik.
13:38:27 <ais523> elliott: yeah, I'm wondering if hixie added it to the standard specifically for that purpose
13:38:54 <elliott> the HTML standard does not control language codes
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14:31:28 <ion> UK spy agency intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
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14:50:03 <fizzie> [[ The document estimates that between 3% and 11% of the Yahoo webcam imagery harvested by GCHQ contains "undesirable nudity". ]]
14:50:11 <fizzie> As opposed to all the desirable nudity.
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15:59:55 <int-e> ion: well, if you collect the whole haystack, you're bound to also collect some muck, mold and other undesirables.
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16:31:21 <kmc> on what day do we celebrate the feast of Saint Fungot?
16:31:31 <kmc> fungot: do you know?
16:31:31 <fungot> kmc: it's on the talk page discusses them,
16:44:36 <quintopia> does fungot even have a wiki article?
16:44:36 <fungot> quintopia: basil is the one with proper mark behavior and visualization of the stack could be popped and pushed etc...
16:46:17 <impomatic> I'm going to the Sinclair Weekend in Cambridge on Saturday :-)
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16:49:00 <quintopia> fizzie: does not fungot deserve a wiki page
16:49:00 <fungot> quintopia: no, i don't care enough about country borders now to want to apply the subtraction operator on strings; meaningfully ofcourse
16:51:22 <ais523> wow, that's 100% perfectly grammatical up to the semicolon (allowing for the lowercase i)
16:55:30 <fizzie> quintopia: I have to admit I've never happened to think about the idea.
16:56:33 <fizzie> fungot: Can you write your own page?
16:56:33 <fungot> fizzie: what is how? i assume, at least one snake?
16:56:45 <fizzie> fungot: Yes, that's a reasonable assumption.
16:56:46 <fungot> fizzie: and it hasn't showed up either :-p) if that's what you mean with properly?" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 1080 myself
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17:11:11 <quintopia> fizzie: approximately how many commands does fungot use atm? (i know it would be pointlessly tedious to actually count, but i suspect you can get an estimate quickly)
17:11:11 <fungot> quintopia: s/ _/)/ it's the 3d models.
17:11:23 <oerjan> <ais523> `` sh -c "echo $LANG"
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17:16:07 <ais523> oerjan: I tried to do that first
17:16:18 <ais523> and came to the incorrect conclusion about why it didn't work
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17:27:15 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
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17:28:02 <kmc> `addquote <fizzie> fungot: Can you write your own page? <fungot> fizzie: what is how? i assume, at least one snake?
17:28:02 <fungot> kmc: and sequences respond to .each, and they made it read as 3 characters) error i got was wet. not any closer to deciding what project to work on my irc skillz)
17:28:05 <HackEgo> 1170) <fizzie> fungot: Can you write your own page? <fungot> fizzie: what is how? i assume, at least one snake?
17:28:19 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
17:28:47 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
17:37:12 <kmc> fungot: at least one snake
17:37:13 <fungot> kmc: i would like to point out that, in reality, other expenditure will decrease sharply in the context of a diversified diet and in line with customs and traditions in this area as in many poor countries, the united kingdom experience would be valuable for the other members have said, that we were concerned, the two amendments, amendment nos 12 and 13.
17:37:33 <kmc> fungot: what about amendment no 14?
17:37:33 <fungot> kmc: madam president, by expressing the fnord rejection of a request made on 17 april 1996 whose purpose was to give birth to a law which has been taken up. but i would like to know whether the united states
17:40:09 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
17:40:21 <impomatic> fungot: what should I call my next corewar bot?
17:40:22 <fungot> impomatic: as my mind reeled amidst this chaos of intellectual and emotional groveling a few free souls have always stood out for the bungalow on the following day still travelled toward the hummock, though that is no reason to doubt the bulk of my fnord fnord for the titan mountains, might conceal.
17:41:19 <oerjan> <quintopia> does fungot even have a wiki article? <-- NOW IT DOES
17:41:20 <fungot> oerjan: i hardly knew whether to call them steps or mere footholds in a precipitous descent. my mind, akeleys whispered paragraphs had affected me profoundly, and he wondered, too, and had grown used to listening for sounds in the great southern desert of arabia, where irem, the city of gugs which is fnord with the keenest interest; noting from the relative quantities of various reagents on the shelves fascinated him unutterabl
17:41:33 <impomatic> fungot: thanks, but it needs to be under 25 characters.
17:41:33 <fungot> impomatic: poe's spectres thus acquired a convincing malignity possessed by none of their predecessors, and established a new standard of realism in the annals of my own presence in this terrible necropolis fnord the act of pausing with warren before a certain half- obliterated sepulcher and of throwing down some burdens which we seemed to have no ending. no trace of
17:43:16 <fizzie> There are 8654 non-whitespace characters in the main source file, discounting the large block of comments in the end, and the settings-setter/loader that are in a separate file.
17:43:32 <fizzie> Some of those characters are part of strings, and some are inline comments.
17:44:41 <oerjan> somehow i ended up lowercasing fizzie's nick but not fungot's
17:44:41 <fungot> oerjan: i recall glimpsing the archway to the room of machines, within which were fantastic ruins of metal, half buried beneath fallen vaulting. everything was shadowy fnord, as lake had been giving throughout the preceding weeks, some of which were thickly covered with mystic symbols and formulae, historical notes and philosophical
17:46:02 <fizzie> Also the code with all whitespace removed (and then reformatted to 80 columns) looks quite silly, http://sprunge.us/dZHK
17:46:13 <fizzie> Quite a lot of it seems to be actually strings.
17:47:03 <fizzie> (Also that's more like what a "proper" Befunge program "should" look like; a single dense block.)
17:48:38 <kmc> oh befunge actually has a standardized extension for sockets? cool
17:48:53 <fizzie> Funge-98, if you want to be exact about it.
17:48:59 <fizzie> Befunge-93 doesn't have any extensions at all.
17:50:27 <quintopia> oerjan: should we have a category for "programs written in esolangs". we do have a lot of pages which are dedicated to them. also, should the fungot page have a listing of fungot's commands?
17:50:27 <fungot> quintopia: the lovecraft library wishes to extend its gratitude to eulogio garca recalde for transcribing this text. he had visited in his travels and who plainly claimed to be survivals or fnord of it.
17:52:20 <oerjan> quintopia: i'm not against either of those
17:53:28 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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17:57:37 <fizzie> quintopia: FWIW, fungot does have a "manual" of sorts in the github README -- https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/README.md -- that a hypothetical page could link to.
17:57:38 <fungot> fizzie: arthur jermyn was the son of alfonso and rightful heir to the castle. to me, but i for one am tired of passing up the main deposits and merely seeking separate crystals out of jungle fnord. sometime i'll urge the wiping
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18:00:15 <ais523> btw, oerjan's busy making the page atm
18:01:09 <fizzie> fungot: Are you feeling APPRECIATED?
18:01:09 <fungot> fizzie: by h. p. lovecraft and c. m. eddy jr. the horned and hooved almost-humans, and the
18:01:34 <fizzie> I didn't know H. P. Lovecraft was a horned and hooved almost-human, but it does explain some things.
18:03:26 <FreeFull> All his writing was love comedies
18:03:39 <oerjan> um i thought i had already made it.
18:07:47 <oerjan> FreeFull: i read that before somewhere
18:08:38 <fizzie> There was at least a cracked.com list that mentioned a Lovecraft romantic comedy.
18:09:43 <FreeFull> http://chainsawsuit.com/tag/h-p-wuvcraft/
18:11:42 <oerjan> definitely not what i recall reading
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19:51:28 <oerjan> found on reddit a popular science article about the navier-stokes idea by terence tao that i linked the other day https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20140224-a-fluid-new-path-in-grand-math-challenge/
19:52:19 <oerjan> (i consider this idea on topic for this channel hth)
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20:03:41 <HackEgo> [U+0171 LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DOUBLE ACUTE]
20:07:56 <fizzie> oerjan: The article comments weren't terribly impressive, though.
20:08:45 <oerjan> fwiw here's the reddit comments http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/1ytc4i/terence_tao_proposes_fluid_new_path_in/
20:10:10 <fizzie> oerjan: They seem more sensible than the "Perhaps Tao’s computer can serve as a model of the brain which might explain the origin of mind."
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22:11:19 <int-e> AT_EMPTY_PATH (since Linux 2.6.39) ... uname -a --> 2.6.32 ... ok, I won't undelete the still-opened log file then.
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