00:01:22 <oerjan> lexande: hm i got two yellow ones which i couldn't merge, and later two yellow ones that merged into a yellow, i think that might be the highest value somehow
00:01:45 <oerjan> it also disappeared at some point.
00:02:30 <oerjan> perhaps this explains why it seemed somehow to be easier than ordinary 2048
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00:05:15 <^v> and thanks to wolfram alpha: 8664592796570470965967495401779828799968421089183272766098933015548308114522263087402588080665328783362159691617011873780929333
00:05:25 <^v> its the same number
00:05:30 <^v> ffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i wasted all that time
00:06:12 * oerjan gives ^v a chocolate chip cookie
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00:10:41 <oerjan> @let demgifos = showIntAtBase 16 `flip` "" $ (!!) (undefined:"><+-.,[]")
00:10:42 <lambdabot> arising from a use of `showIntAtBase'
00:10:42 <lambdabot> Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Integral [Char])
00:10:42 <lambdabot> In the first argument of `flip', namely `showIntAtBase 16'
00:11:01 <lambdabot> (Integral a, Show a) => a -> (Int -> Char) -> a -> ShowS
00:11:32 <oerjan> @let demgifos = showIntAtBase 16 ((!!) (undefined:"><+-.,[]")) `flip` ""
00:11:45 <oerjan> @run demgifos 8664592796570470965967495401779828799968421089183272766098933015548308114522263087402588080665328783362159691617011873780929333
00:11:47 <lambdabot> "++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-...
00:12:03 <oerjan> i think that was cut off
00:12:25 <oerjan> @run drop 70 $ demgifos 8664592796570470965967495401779828799968421089183272766098933015548308114522263087402588080665328783362159691617011873780929333
00:12:28 <lambdabot> ">>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++."
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02:46:26 <^v> where be le iconmaster
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03:43:55 <^v> where is iconmaster so i can stab him for being horrible at lua
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04:18:46 <kmc> MtGox just discovered $116 million worth of Bitcoins that they'd misplaced
04:20:13 <copumpkin> yeah, that's happened to me a couple of times
04:20:24 <copumpkin> kind of annoying to lose them, but nice when they turn up
04:21:56 <kmc> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303802104579452062699281046
04:29:50 <newsham> yah i think i have about $50million in my couch somewhere
04:30:13 <kmc> this is only topped by the US military losing several literal cargo-plane-fulls of $100 bills
04:30:59 <Bike> ooh ooh! deets!
04:31:01 <newsham> it was a dark and foggy war
04:31:21 <newsham> its hard to keep track of all the $100bills
04:31:37 <newsham> meanwhile, generals are doing pretty well for themselves
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04:35:49 <Jafet> kmc: but $100 bills don't even have intrinsic value!
04:36:06 <Jafet> (cargo planes do, though, so losing those is bad)
04:36:54 <Bike> you could go on about us military silliness for a while. like the time they flew planes with live nuclear bombs around the north atlantic for several years, dropping several by accident
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05:05:16 <kmc> "also the box is probably worth something as well"
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05:18:17 <^v> i have concluded that this language is broken, the inturpreter doesnt work, and the examples are bullshit
05:18:18 <^v> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Right_bracket
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05:26:23 <Sgeo> Why are slot initializers run in the context of the lobby rather than in the lexical scope?
05:27:07 <Bike> common lisp does that do. i believe it's due to bullshit.
05:28:44 <Bike> something about a lack of reified environments and macroexpansions, specifically. maybe it's something similar.
05:30:13 <Sgeo> Wonder if this works almost but not quite like letrec
05:30:29 <Sgeo> (| x = 5. y = (x + 3)| x + y)
05:30:41 <Sgeo> Haven't actually tried it
05:37:34 <^v> question of the century http://puu.sh/7Dnlb.png
05:37:56 <Bike> hope this help
05:41:18 <Sgeo> www.lscheffer.com/malbolge.shtml
05:41:42 * Sgeo twitches at that counter, which looks like it's literally a separate HTML page that got embedded in
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06:49:15 <^v> i wrote a malbolge inturpreter in LOLScript
06:50:20 <^v> https://gist.github.com/infinikiller64/9680913
07:03:12 <lifthrasiir> great, now try a LOLscript interpreter in Malbolge :)
07:07:53 <^v> lifthrasiir, cant.
07:08:16 <lifthrasiir> uh, obvious joking... don't take it seriously
07:08:36 <^v> even LuaJIT isnt memory conserving enough
07:08:58 <lifthrasiir> it would be actually very problematic since the non-generalized Malbolge is very limited in the available memory
07:09:30 <^v> loadstring would be hell.
07:09:44 <Bike> wouldn't it be easier to just write a whatever->malbolge compiler and go from there.
07:10:39 <^v> Bike, easiest would be assembly
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09:38:34 <password2> my first bf intrepreter is progressing
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10:29:53 <oklopol> proofreading my phd thesis for the zillionth time
10:30:18 <boily> making toasts for my breakfast.
10:34:40 <password2> i have finally started wit a bf intreperter
10:35:51 <password2> anyone perhap have a simple nested loop ie for me?
10:37:13 <oklopol> it's about subshifts that do not support cellular automata with strong computational or dynamical properties
10:40:04 <oklopol> basically if you take S^\Z, the set of two-way infinite sequences over a finite set S, then you can build cellular automata with rather brainfuckurous properties. a subshift is a subset of S^\Z where some subwords are forbidden from appearing. a cellular automaton on a subshift is a cellular automaton that never produces a forbidden pattern unless there was one to begin with.
10:43:13 <password2> your maths skill is obviously many many years ahead of mine
10:44:10 <Jafet> So, what is known about those subshifts?
10:45:05 <oklopol> Jafet: which ones? there is no definition like "a subshift is unbrainfuckurous if it does not support interesting CA", but rather, i just give a few examples where i manage to prove, in some sense, that there are not that many interesting CA.
10:45:15 <oklopol> and CA = cellular automaton
10:46:12 <Jafet> brainfuckurosity should be an official term
10:46:42 <oklopol> my main examples are subshifts that either have countably many points (note that S^\Z is uncountable), and ones that are minimal (meaning that for every n, there exists m, such that every word of length n appears in every subword of length m)
10:47:56 <oklopol> but i don't get much for the whole classes, i have to restrict to particular subcases
10:47:59 <Jafet> I assume interesting means undecideable or something
10:49:19 <oklopol> well, actually, basically i give _three_ definitions of unbrainfuckurosity, one is precisely in terms of undecidability
10:50:05 <oklopol> i call a subshift predictable if, given two words u and v, and the local rule of a CA f, you can decide by an algorithm whether there's a point with u in the middle that evolves to a point with v in the middle, when f is applied repeatedly
10:50:47 <oklopol> this is something that's not true for S^\Z (it's pretty easy if you can choose S at least; basically you just simulate a turing machine)
10:53:10 <oklopol> i am not aware of any minimal subshifts that are not predictable (assuming any kind of computability for the subshift that is; by a cardinality argument, there are more prediction problems than turing machines)
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10:54:39 <oklopol> as an example, on the subshift generated by the fibonacci substitution, the only cellular automata are shift maps (not due to me)
10:55:11 <oklopol> and on the thue-morse substitution, they are shift maps possibly composed with a bit flip
10:58:49 <oklopol> (and in both cases, all cellular automata are then easily seen to be predictable)
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11:18:06 <password2> i think i'll take a brake from coding my bot
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11:45:32 <password2> i think i found an error in the esolang wiki
11:49:14 <fizzie> Why is this multivariate normal distribution PDF returning values of +Inf.
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11:59:30 <fizzie> Must be some kind of rounding problem. MATLAB is saying it can invert the covariance matrix, but it has a determinant of exactly 0.
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12:11:28 <oklopol> surely matlab can also do computations correctly?
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12:24:52 <fizzie> I'm not sure what "correctly" means.
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12:29:49 <oklopol> i'm assuming your matrix is over real numbers
12:30:06 <oklopol> and you are just approximating with floats or something
12:30:47 <oklopol> (of course i have no idea what a covariance matrix is)
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12:42:43 <fizzie> It's over real numbers, and approximated with floats, yes; and MATLAB can only really do computations with floats, at least comfortably. (Okay, there's a Symbolic Math Toolbox that can do a bit more.)
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13:32:42 <ais523> yay, this connection has about half a mbps atm
13:32:47 <ais523> fast enough for IRC, anyway
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13:33:59 <ais523> oh, and is /also/ randomly disconnecting
13:34:11 <ais523> the prediction is around 2 hours to download a few days worth of security updates
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13:41:50 <oklopol> "MATLAB can only really do computations with floats" o_O
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13:47:53 <callforjudgement> outputs only explicable via values greater than positive infinity
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13:51:58 <scarf> hmm, how do I tell if I have a working IPv6 connection?
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13:53:42 <ais523> gah, this is confusing
13:53:49 <ais523> there's a lot of evidence that IPv6 is working to some extent
13:54:21 <ais523> elliott_: it gives me a ? for IPv6 support
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13:54:57 <Taneb> I am sad because this is a brand new building and it does not have IPv6 support
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13:58:22 <maurer> Taneb: IPv6 rollout is not generally delayed due to hardware capabilites, but instead due to software getting confused
13:58:50 <Taneb> maurer, frankly this building's internet makes me sad in a lot of ways
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14:03:56 <scarf> OK, it /probably/ doesn't have IPv6 at all
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14:05:31 <maurer> scarf: I mean, my building for example will do IPv6 within the building, just won't let that out of the building
14:05:40 <scarf> it could be something like that, yes
14:05:50 <scarf> except this connection is outside the local firewall
14:06:00 <scarf> if I want to connect inside the building, I have to go back in through the firewall backwards
14:06:12 <scarf> (I'm happy at the fact it's outside, it means I'm unlikely to screw anything up)
14:10:12 <Jafet> (A working IPv6 connection to what?)
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14:24:45 <Jafet> Cool, µTorrent 2.2 still exists.
14:26:30 <Jafet> Beware of online scams! A number of websites have taken our free µTorrent client and attempt to charge money for it through some sort of "fee" or "subscription" or else they install it for free but infect your computer with malicious code in the process.
14:27:03 <Jafet> Oh, even this version has advertising in the installer.
14:27:15 <Jafet> It's slightly... different, though.
14:27:57 <Jafet> [✓] Yes, I'd love to check out this free book and support artists who support BitTorrent
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14:48:36 <password2> mmm, do i need to be identified to talk here?
14:49:37 <Jafet> passwordBOT: hunter2
14:49:50 <fungot> Jafet: to " print" statement should always remember the songs on p2p apps in scheme, besides, was not beyond normal credibility
14:50:54 <fungot> password2: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins were in truth, and everything in readiness for fnord. under these is concerned, the use of " coup" here is one that only takes predicates and has not named a
14:52:00 <password2> would it be a problem if my bot sits in this room?
14:54:07 <password2> it seems to be able to handle most bf code with exception to input , which it just skips over the
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16:01:45 <password2> wel it should stop after a billion cycles
16:02:18 <shikhin> Unfortunate, but hey, I helped a bit!
16:02:31 <password2> i think i should lower the cycle limit
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16:05:15 <myname> just make an agony bot out of it
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16:06:08 <myname> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Agony (d'oh)
16:07:58 <password2> right after i'm done class extracting my bf code
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16:10:04 <passwordBOT> outbuffPRIVMSG #esoteric :done and it took 1 cycles
16:10:29 <passwordBOT> outbuffPRIVMSG #esoteric :254 512 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16:11:06 <myname> +bf: ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.
16:11:48 <passwordBOT> outbuffPRIVMSG #esoteric :0 3328 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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16:13:26 <password2> i messed up when reflowing some code it seems
16:14:25 <passwordBOT> outbuffPRIVMSG #esoteric :0 66 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
16:15:38 <myname> come on, it's not THAT hard
16:16:47 <password2> I'll take my bot back to his test room and figure out why its gone awry
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16:21:04 <password2> i cant make my mind up on how to handle input
16:21:21 <Bike> just do the ! thing.
16:22:03 <nortti> +bf: ++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.[--->+<]>-.---[->++<]>.--[--->+<]>--.+++++++++..
16:23:27 <nortti> it tries to output `\nPRIVMSG #esoteric :foo`
16:23:44 <password2> +bf:++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++.
16:24:12 <nortti> I was testing if you had a bug that let one send arbitrary data
16:24:22 <Bike> hm, what was it
16:24:30 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
16:24:34 <Bike> !bf_txtgen foo
16:24:38 <EgoBot> 49 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>++.+++++++++..>. [107]
16:24:52 <Bike> +bfreset:bf:++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>++.+++++++++..>.
16:25:19 <Bike> can't chain commands, huh.
16:25:33 <password2> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>++.+++++++++..>.
16:25:46 <nortti> +bfreset: ++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.[--->+<]>-.---[->++<]>.--[--->+<]>--.+++++++++..
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16:26:46 <password2> yah , i want to be double sure i don't accidently match wors and start random spamming sprees
16:27:03 <nortti> +bf ++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.[--->+<]>-.---[->++<]>.--[--->+<]>--.+++++++++..
16:27:07 <passwordBOT> Commands are +bf: +breset: +bfdump: +bfdumpascii:
16:27:18 <Bike> lol i just noticed >><<<<, good job txtgen
16:27:29 <Bike> password2: shouldn't bflist include bflist
16:28:22 <huhuh> Can you give it input?
16:28:55 <nortti> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++.>-[--->+<]>----.++++.------------.+++++++++++.[--->+<]>++++.---[->++<]>.--[->++++++<]>.[--->+<]>-.---[->+++<]>-.>++++++++++.
16:29:47 <huhuh> nortti: did you try \n and \r ?
16:30:22 <password2> you need em to send a message apparently
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16:32:14 <password2> if you print "\r\nPRIVMSG "+room+" : foo\r\n" it might actually send the message
16:32:27 <nortti> +bfreset:+bf:+++++++++++++.---.>-[--->+<]>----.++++.------------.+++++++++++.[--->+<]>++++.---[->++<]>.--[->++++++<]>.[--->+<]>-.---[->+++<]>-.>+++++++++++++.---.
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16:32:45 <huhuh> password2: do you put a limit on the amount of time it spends?
16:32:59 <huhuh> so someone can't just do +[]
16:36:20 <huhuh> +bfreset:+bf:+[.+]
16:38:16 <password2> the bot to human line here is getting high
16:38:38 <huhuh> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++.....
16:39:19 <password2> i should print the dump more dunmically too
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16:40:28 <password2> now the pointer should reset with the reset cmd
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16:41:05 <huhuh> password2: why doesn't ++++++++++. output "\n" ?
16:41:13 <huhuh> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++.>-[--->+<]>----.++++.------------.+++++++++++.[--->+<]>++++.---[->++<]>.--[->++++++<]>.[--->+<]>-.---[->+++<]>-.>++++++++++.
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16:42:00 <huhuh> password2: the output is "\nQUIT :PoC"
16:42:05 <nortti> you should sanitize your output
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16:42:08 <huhuh> exactly what nortti gave, but it works now for some reason
16:42:26 <huhuh> You should escape \n, \r, maybe also \b if people find it annoying
16:44:59 <nortti> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.-[------>+<]>-.[-->+<]>+++.++++[->++<]>.--[-->+++<]>.>++++++++++.
16:47:03 <newsham> if you study drunk you have to take the test drunk
16:47:15 <password2> anyone else wanna make it do IRC cmd before i disable em?
16:47:38 <oerjan> ^bf ++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.-[------>+<]>-.[-->+<]>+++.++++[->++<]>.--[-->+++<]>.>++++++++++.
16:47:38 <fungot> .PRIVMSG #esoteric: Hi.
16:49:36 <password2> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.-[------>+<]>-.[-->+<]>+++.++++[->++<]>.--[-->+++<]>.>++++++++++.
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16:50:49 <password2> +bfreset:+bf:++++++++++.[->++++++++<]>.++.---------.>+[--->++<]>.---------.++++++.------------.+[->++++<]>.+++.-[->+++<]>-.[--->+<]>----.----.+++++.+++[->+++<]>.+++++++++++++.---------.------.-[------>+<]>-.[-->+<]>+++.++++[->++<]>.--[-->+++<]>.>++++++++++.
16:59:26 <password2> oh i see why it didn't send the PRIVMSG
16:59:46 <password2> there needs to be a space between the channel name and :
16:59:48 <newsham> facebook's new langauge, hack. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/facebook-hack/
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17:00:48 <password2> i know a gut the coded for facebook
17:02:44 <password2> he said it was absolutely horrible as know one there commented any of their code
17:03:15 <nooodl> PHP is what’s called a dynamically typed language. Basically, this means you needn’t take the time to define specific parameters for each and every routine in your code, and once you finish a piece of code, you can almost instantly run it — without taking additional time to compile it into another form. The code essentially compiles in the background, as you write it.
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17:04:28 <nortti> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/php-bug-allowing-site-hijacking-still-menaces-internet-22-months-on/
17:04:34 <Jafet> nooodl: Wired's towering journalistic standards help keep us informed about the latest software technology.
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17:08:14 <Bike> this is why we all need to switch to Active Server Pages.
17:08:55 <newsham> commenting code doesnt make code nice
17:12:21 <password2> yes , but it lets other understand your code
17:13:51 <kmc> int x = 2; // declare an integer variable named x, and set its initial value to 2
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17:21:44 <password2> when are a companies programmers bored?
17:27:35 <oerjan> hm what was the english word for "quiz" before quiz was famously made up
17:29:05 <Taneb> Much like my competence!
17:29:37 <oerjan> how many of the things we learned in our childhood that were too good to be true, actually _were_ true?
17:30:08 <huhuh> password2: when are they bored?
17:31:05 <oerjan> when they're going through the drill
17:31:07 <password2> when they start writing their own languages
17:31:45 <oerjan> i say my pun was better
17:31:58 <oerjan> not _much_ better though
17:32:30 <password2> except that i need to pee and i just locked my room
17:32:43 <huhuh> Google Go, Facebook Hack, does Twitter have its own language?
17:32:57 <huhuh> maybe Golfscript, so you can fit the code in 140 chars
17:33:44 <int-e> meh you just put your program on punched cards. (132 is quite close to 140)
17:33:51 <oerjan> now twitter fitting their code down to 140 chars would be something.
17:34:40 <Jafet> You may be looking for Sclipting.
17:35:07 <password2> effing , how many time am i gonna write 'know' instead of no/now
17:36:14 <password2> i tend to do it a lot when my mind is somwhere else
17:36:57 <myname> i like how know and no sound pretty similar and now sounds completely different
17:37:39 <password2> my native language probably have lots more examples
17:37:51 <myname> what is your native language?
17:38:23 <myname> okay, don't know shit about that
17:38:50 <int-e> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den seems relevant
17:39:18 <myname> so, similar to german, but not the real thing? ;p
17:39:20 <int-e> (there's some video on youtube of somebody actually reading the thing.)
17:40:28 <int-e> oh, linked from the wikipedia page. so that's how I found it. :))
17:44:13 <oerjan> int-e: that poem is some shi*
17:44:26 <Jafet> If you mean this, it's a rather dull recital http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vExjnn_3ep4
17:45:20 <Jafet> Interesting fact: that vowel does not exist in english
17:46:20 <int-e> Jafet: you're right ... I saw a different one, hmm.
17:46:31 <Jafet> The poem has only one vowel, so I mean that one.
17:46:51 <myname> are there words in english that do start with a "real" vocal? (i.e. no glottal stop before it)
17:47:41 <password2> this is kinda creepy http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMEwbfnCpKA4&ei=9nksU9-VCsLy7Aa3xYCYBg&usg=AFQjCNG8GgFinV3JaBd1-QvRDm4NgFLklQ&sig2=SITCyBQiQTq_dZBU3L1IsQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.ZGU
17:47:57 <password2> oops sorry , i forgot the google made massive links
17:49:30 <int-e> Jafet: I believe I saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXVJOhXY33U which isn't a good recital either, but I found it funny.
17:50:52 <Jafet> Die verdammten falschen Freunde?
17:52:01 <Jafet> Die, Grammatik, die
17:52:26 <Jafet> (A diagrammatic die)
17:53:14 <int-e> no, it's "der Bart". ;-)
17:53:56 <Slereah_> No one speaking German could be an evil man!
17:54:01 <myname> but it wouldn't be that funny in simpsons
17:54:49 <password2> i have always wanted to learn german , but have always been too lazy
17:55:13 <myname> password2: shouldn't it be pretty easy for you?
17:56:23 <myname> but to be honest, as a german i don't understand a thing in nederlands
17:56:33 <myname> (others seem to, though)
17:56:48 * int-e feels the same about dutch.
17:57:03 <password2> i did a sort rosetta course a while back for german
17:57:03 <int-e> it's easier in writing, but still hard.
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17:58:59 <password2> how much does different dialecs of german differ?
17:59:00 * int-e tries to figure out "maichen"
18:00:19 <zzo38> Somehow this floppy disk USB doesn't seem to work
18:00:41 <password2> i think the largest reason i have not learnt german is that even if i master it ,I will use it very seldomly
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18:01:37 <zzo38> Why do some things in Windows say, you do not have permission to view the current permissions of this object but you are allowed to make changes?
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18:04:40 <Jafet> I guess zzo asked some inconvenient questions.
18:15:26 <password2> if I use ! to separate code from input , should i read it ascii values or take hexpairs , ie ([-]!B of [-]!42)
18:17:57 <Bike> obviously use both, with ? for hexpairs
18:26:29 <huhuh> I think allowing ASCII input would be more useful.
18:27:31 <elliott_> password2: not ASCII values, just raw binary data
18:27:37 <elliott_> (ASCII values never have the high bit set)
18:27:38 <huhuh> [insert "why not both?" gif]
18:28:07 <Bike> well, yeah, ascii is 7-bit.
18:29:28 <password2> err , the tables i habe went to 255
18:29:38 <huhuh> I think Latin-1 is the 8-bit equivalent
18:29:48 <huhuh> but there may be others
18:30:00 <elliott_> they're probably showing you dos code page 437 or something
18:30:27 <password2> i notice now i have another table open that only goes to 127
18:30:42 <elliott_> UTF-8 exploits this to maintain ASCII backwards-compatibility, incidentally
18:31:00 <elliott_> in a UTF-8 stream bytes 0-127 represent codepoints 0-127, and the higher bytes are used to encode the full Unicode range
18:31:38 <elliott_> so any valid ASCII stream is a UTF-8 stream with the same meaning (but you can't interpret arbitrary 8-bit binary data as UTF-8 and expect the codepoints to all match the byte values, of course)
18:33:51 <huhuh> password2: do you use 0 or no-change for EOFs?
18:35:11 <password2> actually the program is in this chat
18:35:29 <passwordBOT> Commands are +bf: +breset: +bfdump: +bfdumpascii:
18:36:44 <password2> that for some reason does not work so well
18:37:13 <password2> probably becaus I'm not filtering anything
18:37:51 <huhuh> password2: breset?
18:38:04 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
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18:41:27 <elliott_> or CR LF, or CR, depending on platform
18:42:16 <zzo38> You could also ignore the CR and then probably it has LF afterward, too.
18:42:29 <zzo38> However CR LF is suitable for printing.
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19:39:51 <zzo38> Do you know DOS version of "RoboZZle" game?
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20:04:49 <myname> more important: do you know any android game (besides robozzle itself) that is like robozzle?
20:05:00 <zzo38> No, I don't, I only know the DOS version
20:05:19 <myname> there are at least 2 versions for android
20:05:35 <nortti> does the DOS version use data from the robozzle site?
20:06:52 <zzo38> No, it uses a different format
20:09:54 <Slereah_> "This procedure is instructive as a prototypical tree recursion, but it is not of thy people Israel"
20:11:29 <Taneb> Slereah_, I know the guy who makes them :)
20:12:25 <Slereah_> Tell him he is a national treasure
20:13:18 <Slereah_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzhRYGm_b9A
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20:13:56 <Taneb> Slereah_, he says thanks
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21:27:11 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/GAMES/frobozle_savamaz.zip Contains FROBOZLE (DOS version of RoboZZle, with some new pieces and commands), and SAVAMAZ (an incomplete roguelike game).
21:27:58 <myname> what kind of roguelike is it?
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21:28:30 <zzo38> myname: What does that question mean?
21:29:01 <myname> is there something special to it?
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21:29:39 <zzo38> There is fog to block your vision, for one thing. There is also windows that you can see through but cannot walk through.
21:30:07 <zzo38> Also you have to up upstairs unlike many roguelike games where you go mainly downstairs.
21:30:57 <zzo38> And sometimes there are laser beams blocking the stairs.
21:31:18 <myname> nethack had at least windows in sokoban iirc
21:32:01 <Bike> i don't remember any windows in nethack.
21:32:28 <zzo38> Well, if you look at NetHack you would know, and if you look at my games you would know too (source codes are available for both games)
21:32:33 <myname> it may be one of my numerous mods installed
21:32:56 <zzo38> Both of these programs I linked are public domain
21:33:17 <Bike> i don't think nethack has any objects that don't take up a whole tile, for sure
21:33:47 <zzo38> Bike: Probably it is true they all take up a whole tile
21:33:52 <Bike> http://members.tripod.com/~Scrooge_McFuck/ meanwhile, in the 90s
21:35:12 <Bike> it's a punk band.
21:35:19 <kmc> haha of course it is
21:35:29 <Bike> not like, duck porn. i don't know what's allowed at ur job
21:38:05 <Bike> also have y'all heard about turkey. good pr move on google's part: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjPyxrcIcAAsheI.jpg
21:39:10 <kmc> https://twitter.com/pickover/status/447026154135113729
21:39:44 <Bike> i just like to imagine that edrogan is an undercover google marketer
21:40:06 <kmc> are 8s lucky in turkish culture
21:43:02 <Bike> " Access to Twitter was restricted under article 10 of the law to fight terrorism. Twitter is now sort of a terrorist organisation in Turkey, I guess"
21:43:26 <kmc> cool, does that mean I'm a member of a terrorist organization?
21:43:41 <ion> We are all members of terrorist organizations.
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22:00:16 <lexande> kmc: when i applied to renew my uk visa the form asked if i was a member of a terrorist organisation, with a definition that included supporting the violent overthrow of any government
22:01:14 <lexande> at the time the labour party was still in government after supporting the violent overthrow of the government of iraq
22:01:22 <Slereah_> Managed to revive it fortunately
22:02:03 <lexande> and i had at one point been a meme
22:02:33 <elliott_> that was a good place for that line to get cut off.
22:02:33 <Bike> this reminds me of the story about godel and citizenship.
22:03:34 <lexande> elliott_: i'm not sure i can claim to be a meme without replicating more
22:06:00 <Bike> godel's in court getting american citizenship, having fleed the nazis in austria. the judge tells him how great it is to be an american, where there's no way dictators like the nazis can come into power. godel starts disagreeing, saying there's a logical flaw in the Constitution allowing such a thing, but then his buddy Einstein tells him to shut the fuck up and get americanized
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22:08:35 <Slereah_> Although he made the fatal flaw of assuming the US cared about the constitution
22:08:42 <kmc> `addquote <lexande> and i had at one point been a meme
22:08:48 <kmc> (I know HackEgo isn't here but, grep)
22:09:18 <kmc> lexande: that is an amusing story
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22:10:21 <quintopia> the lack of gregor and gregorbots is subtly motivating me to write a bfjoustbot
22:10:57 <kmc> where did they go? :/
22:14:00 <zzo38> Did you look at my game? You can also try to make up more level of it
22:14:11 <Bike> i ain't got no dos
22:14:32 <zzo38> You could try to run them on an emulator, or see if you are able to port it to FreeBASIC or something
22:16:57 <Bike> speaking of emulators, arbitrary code execution vuln in Super Metroid http://tasvideos.org/4224S.html
22:17:18 <Bike> "We may be at the point where tool-assisted videogame speedrunning needs its own tech conference."
22:19:00 <Bike> has a full writeup of how it works. apparently if you use the right combination of guns it starts copying bits of ram everywhere, which is like 80% cooler than any qemu bug to explain
22:21:37 <zzo38> It happens in other games too, such as Pokemon Yellow
22:22:20 <Bike> i remember the pokemon yellow bug, and also the earthbound one, but they didn't come with explanations that i recall
22:25:21 <Bike> lol, they just run out the door too fast to get to fighting the chozo statue
22:34:58 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zew4pQ_1ZSU#t=13m50s really, i'm sure netsec would be more popular if it looked like this
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22:55:39 <FireFly> The pokemon yellow one was thorughly explained
22:56:21 <FireFly> http://aurellem.org/vba-clojure/html/total-control.html
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23:08:40 <zzo38> FireFly: I have read that, too. They wrote other things about Pokemon too such as type effectiveness and allergies, and "9 Questions with Pokemon" (which I have converted into Internet Quiz Engine format, using a AWK script).
23:15:32 <newsham> hah! "Plot idea: 97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires & oil companies."
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23:24:31 <zzo38> As well as things other than Pokemon, too.
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23:28:00 <newsham> i now have sim-card size adapters
23:28:48 <newsham> now i can cell phone the way our founding fathers intended!
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23:30:20 <kmc> please, founding fathers would use CDMA
23:32:08 <newsham> although one of the devices i have here is carrier locked.. oh well guess i'll skip that one
23:32:37 <kmc> AMERICA is all about doing it different from the rest of the world
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23:47:54 <Sgeo> Is VMware Workstation really better than VirtualBox?
23:49:35 <Bike> is rankine really better than fahrenheit
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23:50:31 <newsham> you can get vmware player for free, too
23:50:36 <oerjan> Bike: it ranks higher, obviously
23:51:30 <Sgeo> Yeah, but there's not much you can do with VMware Player than play prebuilt or hand-written VMs, I think
23:52:49 <Bike> but it does come with a free pool noodle.
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23:56:25 -!- oerjan has set topic: a variety of colorful fish, but the darkness of no HackEgo | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
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23:57:03 <oerjan> maybe the wisdom pdf will be all that remains
23:57:30 <Bike> rip #esoteric, twerked too hard
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23:59:55 <Taneb> So what is everybody up to today