< 1396224017 479633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puzzles through http://z3.codeplex.com/SourceControl/latest#src/api/z3_api.h < 1396224021 369887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite the polyglot < 1396224321 540056 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is quite the 7500-line header < 1396224675 146494 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1396224679 261422 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs sbv < 1396224747 276291 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396226411 638535 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396226587 401886 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396226587 625306 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396227681 340916 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwysiqttghnytkmh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396227846 885138 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1396227929 861250 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396228011 141306 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396228142 323870 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396228418 769300 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228419 369258 :Slereah!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228420 623297 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228421 337526 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228423 676892 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228423 863735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228424 378695 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396228705 747864 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy'nut < 1396228716 627448 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about malnourished kids who are allergic to peanuts? < 1396228742 307705 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just saw the article mention that < 1396228771 380568 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe... there's more than one kind of food..... < 1396228796 373256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396228854 173438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it is a bit weird to use something so prone to awful side-effects... < 1396228924 225039 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nut_warning_1.jpg BE AFRAID < 1396228958 116241 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING SO MANY FUCKING PEANUTS < 1396228991 867666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe nuts < 1396228993 327653 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be scared to eat peanut products in public because was worried what if someone nearby had an allergy < 1396229050 861082 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bntlggdoumnctvqx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396229194 837449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what changed? < 1396229223 977649 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think multiple people telling me not to worry about it < 1396229232 53790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he became hard-heartedly numb to the fate of his fellow man < 1396229324 658358 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sick the other day, and in CVS, and a guy with a nasal ... tube, thing goes into the aisle I was in. What if I accidentally caused him to get sick :( < 1396229351 357616 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396229378 541808 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasal tube? you mean the food things? < 1396229385 296353 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1396229396 10205 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a tube stretching from nose to elsewhere, I think for breathing < 1396229405 509969 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right those things < 1396229429 365876 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if there was a serious risk do you think he'd be wandering around in public < 1396229462 224151 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sometimes more significant complications occur including erosion of the nose where the tube is anchored, esophageal perforation, pulmonary aspiration, a collapsed lung, or intracranial placement of the tube." -- wp's article on the food tube things < 1396229469 397449 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually you have those when you have trouble breathing. < 1396229491 196018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even explain that last one, "yeah the tube that was meant to go in your stomach ended up in your brain" < 1396229508 224688 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illness isn't any *more* of a concern than it would be for any other old man though. < 1396229546 557976 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents once threatened to get a food tube for me in order to get me to eat < 1396229691 713978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit after trawling the wp article on peanut allergy i found this line in one of the references: < 1396229701 786020 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usually, eating is both fun and helpful. Sometimes, it is deadly." < 1396229779 5198 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes u think < 1396229828 518582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating is usually deadly to the eatee < 1396230195 300523 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you often eat live food shachaf < 1396230324 76901 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396230603 650756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, according to my calculations, both demorgan's law and its negation are true < 1396230607 497957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like trouble < 1396230643 137774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1396230660 378596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which calculations are these < 1396230693 337594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong ones < 1396230711 467208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1396231178 840156 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396231585 859368 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396232884 397580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where has everyone gone < 1396232884 620925 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you forgot to exit the program < 1396232892 717864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh i guess so < 1396232893 178205 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and i consider myself fairly intelligent, but i < 1396232897 634202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/quit < 1396233007 193141 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :current status https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl5bhqqUkzo < 1396233262 328221 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/1031/No-prank-On-Halloween-US-military-forces-train-for-zombie-apocalypse < 1396233299 457983 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people keep using 'zombie apocalypse' to mean unexpected, the training may eventually be ineffective, I think, as it becomes 'expected' for training < 1396233437 23952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bogleech.com/comics/comic90-zombiefans.htm < 1396233473 177380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396233647 982507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't think that's the point. the point is more that conditions in a zombocalypse are similar to conditions in civil war zones and other civilization collapses < 1396233720 677444 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/21s7bz/one_step_forward_two_steps_back_by_chris_done/ < 1396233923 837865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one cool thing about rust is that the designers have actually heard of the stuff in that list < 1396234001 237804 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't visualize Rust getting restarts or image-based persistance < 1396234012 468361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396234031 289301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that Rust has all or even most of them < 1396234039 627411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the stuff that's missing it's not due to pure ignorance < 1396234044 957635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is often the case in other languages < 1396234078 488659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email about why rust doesn't do TCO started with a paragraph that could be more bluntly summarized as "god damnit yes we know what tail calls are and why you want them" < 1396234195 999166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, why doesn't rustc do tco? < 1396234206 941487 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean i can see why you might not want to /guarantee/ tco) < 1396234218 233397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-April/003557.html < 1396234235 445417 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikeshed! < 1396234283 451513 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensible. < 1396234689 57726 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would only interacting with humans via IRC be as bad for mental health as never interacting with humans at all? < 1396234732 918358 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1396234807 357894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1396234857 828121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a short-term / acute sense, interactions on IRC often make me feel a lot better < 1396235024 369083 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-130.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396235058 590101 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-13-130.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1396235059 254064 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396235136 820075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could implement only tail calls when mentioned explicitly in the program using a "tail call" command? < 1396235222 17540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And even then, it shouldn't make it a tail call unless it can actually do that optimization.) < 1396235248 893276 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://extraneato.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Death-Bear.png hell yea < 1396235250 897903 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made hello world in fishstacks < 1396235257 857525 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im too lazy to add it to the wiki < 1396235258 877581 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiisdsiiiiiiiipiiisisipiiisisiiiiiiiipiiisisiiiiiiiipiiisiisddddddddddpiiisddsdddddpiisiisddddpiiissiiiiiipiiisiisddddddddddpiiisiisdddddddpiiisisiiiiiiiipiiisispiisiisdddpppp < 1396235481 617511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pppppppppppppiss < 1396235498 467831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: any reason you ask? < 1396236804 818282 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396237455 906525 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396238755 99920 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw something that made me think of it, I forgot what < 1396238973 959610 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396239002 811115 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396240265 658560 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396240301 628341 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396240530 149710 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-riizkiojawincjfe JOIN :#esoteric < 1396240548 970235 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396240888 377739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1396241230 879497 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:538_Arborol.png orgo's a hell of a drug < 1396241317 312915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1396241377 172187 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Decaferrocenyl_ferrocene.png behold < 1396241542 460396 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396241589 519350 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396243108 438509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396243109 830446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wharnandcoin bruermerititcoin p12coin orthycoin barnatacoin prfcovoluckcoin lencercoin ><>coin subechalocoin thisalecoin andcoin relliacoin accingcoin yabatcoin instifcoin dolcoin sqicoin nancoin ontrandatiocoin tropotcoin < 1396243134 259496 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't esotericoin exist yet? < 1396243217 398409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr ' ' '\n' < quotes | shuf -n 50 | tr '\n' ' ' < 1396243218 38490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it a drugs, other likes "can then the who you page being but Kapital some with soup you've -- what in a the sugary #%%:]__t�# just is by Warrigal: machine i’m all of 1146 good "bottle". clearly over well, that's warm of kite if a < 1396243784 85369 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396244316 72975 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396245792 409699 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I feel like Haskell playing with laziness is like dynamically typed languages playing with dynamic types... interesting, but not very safe < 1396246161 478718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't so much remove side effects from evaluation as introduce a completely pervasive side effect that doesn't play nice with others < 1396246286 879531 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like Tardises are ... cool, but ... is laziness the sort of side-effect that could be accessed monadically? < 1396246293 949331 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exclusively monadically < 1396246300 654003 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that even makes sense, I should be sleeping < 1396246334 658641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about tardises < 1396246355 78709 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://unknownparallel.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/two-implementations-of-seers/ < 1396246367 168658 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this stuff relies heavily on laziness < 1396246384 618957 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 'time paradox' == nontermination < 1396246437 754282 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not sure what happens if you try to make a paradox of the contradiction kind, instead of the closed loop kind < 1396246486 174251 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, see >>= send may cause an explosion of information, trapping you in a time loop." < 1396246494 298648 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/11093315/286648 < 1396248015 730440 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396248093 403130 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396248187 391527 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396248189 490191 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396248333 569656 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396248709 780366 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396249294 359242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can confirm that the negation of demorgan's law is not true after all < 1396249343 119202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you confirm that demorgan's law is true < 1396249347 748609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which one) < 1396249384 785230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjecture = (iff (not (and k!0 k!1)) (or (not k!0) (not k!1))) < 1396249384 785459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some(true) < 1396249456 469395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that one doesn't work constructively < 1396249470 382726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if i can believe it :'( < 1396249479 939391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang < 1396249514 68666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1396249557 660029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructively ¬a ∨ ¬b → ¬(a ∧ b) but not the other way? < 1396249621 408657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396249633 459166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1396249794 16662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they call the classical thing where (P -> Q) iff (!P || Q) < 1396249811 773608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they call it "definition of ->" < 1396249850 16591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \d -> \(x,y) -> case d of Left f -> f x; Right g -> g y < 1396249850 858749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either (t1 -> t) (t2 -> t) -> (t1, t2) -> t < 1396249879 429318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Either (a -> Void) (b -> Void) -> (a, b) -> Void < 1396249879 800115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = < 1396249879 986990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : case a of < 1396249879 987170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left b -> \ (c, _) -> b c < 1396249879 987268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right d -> \ (_, e) -> d e < 1396249901 619714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a, b) -> Void) -> Either (a -> Void) (b -> Void) < 1396249901 898460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1396249908 890564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes me back < 1396249918 200299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think so < 1396249924 478987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when you cared about things like that < 1396249925 866743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1396249932 618577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still care :'( < 1396249947 678929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cared enough to devote significant attention and time to it, i mean < 1396249964 760262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396249987 419588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't done it much in a while either < 1396249989 180980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i devote attention and time to other things though, so it's all good < 1396250004 285012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exists good < 1396250069 138994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like maybe i should go in the direction of more maths rather than less, though < 1396250072 129369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1396250089 298872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing Rust bindings for Z3 < 1396250127 468636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to a talk about smt solvers and haskell this month < 1396250142 728660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some kind of macro for quasiquoting Z3 expressions probably < 1396250151 219331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rust stable now < 1396250152 920131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was the talk? < 1396250154 979359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1396250160 458866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be a 1.0 release this year < 1396250162 918343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good < 1396250193 40927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stable i don't mean will my programs continue to run so much as will everything i know become useless/wrong/obsolete < 1396250204 359406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1396250205 667399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it did since last summerish when i looked at rust before < 1396250214 246335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less so now, I think < 1396250233 148916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deepest & most novel concepts haven't changed in a while, but maybe you already understand those < 1396250260 142297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the big upcoming changes is that the type system will support dynamically sized types < 1396250275 815134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2014/01/05/dst-take-5/ < 1396251059 629097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z3 is fancy < 1396251250 935215 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-riizkiojawincjfe QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396251906 159551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396252152 259906 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396252994 876855 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396252995 63764 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396254783 822199 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1396256036 651653 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396256146 695729 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396256188 971147 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396256784 601040 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396257681 911410 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH NICK :JesseH < 1396257808 536421 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396257857 697947 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396257924 139507 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1396260797 20162 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396261979 287329 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396261998 80132 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396262416 721444 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396262509 310611 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396262737 454530 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396262817 310888 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396262817 537209 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 QUIT :Client Quit < 1396262956 814364 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRABJOUS DAY! < 1396262968 422868 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is the day oots returns! < 1396262972 930435 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0.14 is out too! < 1396262973 701205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1396263126 66634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: outgrabious! < 1396263591 767214 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396263664 540330 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STICKY CHICKEN < 1396265221 426986 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396265296 913937 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396265570 12393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Without access to a lot of source code I can’t tell exactly what is going on, but here’s what I know. If you run the compiler with the /analyze option then it loads mspft120.dll – the /analyze DLL. Then mspft120 loads msxml6.dll to load an XML configuration file. Then msxml6 loads urlmon.dll to open the stream, and finally urlmon loads mshtml.dll. Then mshtml.dll creates a window, ... < 1396265575 990199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because that’s what it does." < 1396265578 500964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/you-got-your-web-browser-in-my-compiler/ < 1396265581 501420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nice story.) < 1396268433 852368 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396268524 511902 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1396268548 974957 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396268611 45989 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396269409 490955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/ltMAjH1 < 1396269444 103855 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396269570 981746 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396269614 703440 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396269738 26067 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396269787 475065 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396269788 893592 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396269928 740980 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1396269949 193033 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396270142 424968 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396270167 206734 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396270232 257305 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396270469 164971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396271471 831831 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396271883 709032 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396272341 991698 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396272346 602142 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396277876 283259 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396278455 343076 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396278487 349543 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396278788 386944 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396279759 440603 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396279767 321166 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396281424 702729 :zom-b|zz!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Zom-B|aw < 1396281426 417705 :Zom-B|aw!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Zom-B < 1396281936 285832 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1396281998 102519 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.209 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1396282005 172808 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396282552 342306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots < 1396282552 569274 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick) < 1396282557 787991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something appropriate. < 1396282557 788170 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see. but how were you so arrogant as to assume that is was going. a classic i like, and you, the gods, that makes us all one big evil team here, my snuggly green cutie-pie! < 1396282568 916912 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396282590 542759 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who's arrogant? < 1396282590 729556 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i am, i am, i am the leader and strategic plan in the morning" to you, and the success of my magic, you know that no one leaves. he is still your brother and, apparently, there, about that... the cleric skipped to the part about the oath" story is just that. < 1396282599 827478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... there you have it. < 1396282603 501474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is arrogant < 1396282603 712003 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: see, the thing that was making this even sporting was your big spectacular compromise that would allow any bandit that defeated < 1396282613 372672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1396282619 677932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I don't like him. < 1396282694 501640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you pronounced fungoat? < 1396282694 688608 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a good way, and our little dog, too. cool" monsters may have moved in by answering the riddles" thing, sir, and i see now that it's any of that honey marinade right here, and the illusion that this was the place and have come to aid you in keeping your business. < 1396282727 981805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in fun + goat < 1396282828 757951 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396283206 45178 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396283783 340697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1396283928 332296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... after rebooting I cannot reproduce the graphical issues I had yesterday. Good I guess? < 1396285018 987798 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396285043 778010 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396285472 461805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:07 < kmc> did you try turning it off and then on again? < 1396285472 672012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:07 < Vorpal> kmc, very funny < 1396285761 431958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396285918 384666 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396285976 514020 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396286141 778459 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1396286145 741802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered something crazy < 1396286151 342043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1396286166 996142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's beautiful alright < 1396286236 975596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, heh yeah XD < 1396286248 682709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I booted windows in between too < 1396286264 301973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, anyway I'm still worried about the hardware.. < 1396286574 234942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, oh? < 1396286594 89924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice photos < 1396286609 954656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once had a monitor that needed to be rebooted to remove graphics corruption < 1396286643 32295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna upload it as a video :) < 1396286673 501644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did you see the nonnegative matrix factorization one? < 1396286676 612976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it was the GPU though, since I have a multi-head setup and it happened across both monitors < 1396286686 192546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I saw this: http://zem.fi/2014-03-25-tl < 1396286692 442451 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks to lambdabot < 1396286712 12987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see any matrix there < 1396286746 508511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, I've been fiddling with different ways of aggregating the frames, but haven't yet written them up. Here's the NMF one: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140331-nmf.jpg < 1396286760 46064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty, how does it work? < 1396286773 128485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like time of day / weather < 1396286834 522545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of how it ends up, though technically it's the four basis vectors of a rank-4 nonnegative factorization of the 33 source images. Or in English, the set of four images that's best (according to some cost function) if you want to represent all 33 images as a weighted sum of some 4 images. < 1396286858 58326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy! < 1396286886 497771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see e.g. that the lower-left image has the sun in it, so the lower-right one has gotten a "negasun" that can help when representing an overcast day. < 1396286900 234239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the top-left image is useful for putting snow on the ground. < 1396286911 854605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the "second view, raw average..." looks kind of other-worldly wrt the plants < 1396286919 864320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's just late interpretation, the algorithm doesn't care. < 1396286944 463333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with some colour curve enhancing to bring up the saturation it could be really pretty < 1396286985 856797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is a negasun? < 1396287003 180712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what about the top-right? < 1396287010 995616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your interpretation < 1396287031 462270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a dark blob where the sun was in the other image. See, when you sum up the bottom row, they annihilate. (And release energy?) < 1396287053 788137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1396287055 683726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it < 1396287056 959820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the top-right is just a useful component image for blue skies. < 1396287122 103695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did the dark-spot thing happen? < 1396287129 455501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun from behind?? < 1396287148 33580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, doesn't make sense < 1396287174 503893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just falls out of the algorithm, when I feed it both sunny days and overcast days; none of the NMF images are really "real". < 1396287195 590867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1396287226 776877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did do some histogram equalization on the plain averages to make them less bland, and they looked quite nice; I just didn't upload those yet because it was done in Gimp after clamping to 8 bits per pixel color depth, and there was quite a lot of banding; I'll try to do it "properly" at some point. (I guess non-devel Gimp still hasn't heard of higher color depths?) < 1396287231 474213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looked at the rest of your site, that x86 opcode generator is quite amusing < 1396287258 95792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah < 1396287265 640144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a #esoteric suggestion, I made an IUPAC chemical name generator too: http://zem.fi/tmp/iupac.html < 1396287272 413105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, according to the generator, a future instruction will be "AI" < 1396287345 838219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IUPAC generator has an unavoidable (due to the method) habit of generating silly-short names like "5-5" or "6" quite often, but it also does plausible ones. < 1396287360 104511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, plausible to a non-chemist, anyway. < 1396287369 751996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they mostly make no physical sense at all. < 1396287407 331966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfn1Waxo5wc&feature=youtu.be < 1396287409 995310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- there we go < 1396287481 832074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what is it? < 1396287526 274504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of cellular thingy < 1396287697 140355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks funny :) < 1396288699 223928 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396288997 955462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :, yay. < 1396289318 253693 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396290806 426478 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396290953 763059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The city of Seattle just imposed new limits on commercial app-based ride-sharing companies like Uber and Lyft, effectively protecting taxi companies from low-cost competition in the form of smartphone apps." < 1396290959 282284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly interesting. < 1396291001 522365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually the first case of banning technology to protect old technology because it would lots of jobs in danger I know < 1396291071 892519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I feel like that kind of thing is common < 1396291086 152017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unions often fight against improved efficiency for this reason < 1396291110 405383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not clearly about jobs -- those drivers could work for Uber or Lyft instead < 1396291136 52629 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :new technologies are often used as an opportunity by all sides to try to renegotiate regulations etc < 1396291139 123801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about Seattle but in NYC, taxi medallions are an investment vehicle, worth millions of dollars and usually not owned by the driver or the cab company < 1396291145 788310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are offered a salary comparable to their current one. < 1396291165 311960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so often taxi regulation is about protecting the value of this investment for the people who already hold it < 1396291170 842921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{PROPERTY RIGHTS} < 1396291172 109880 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: cab drivers aren't salaried anywhere i've heard of < 1396291198 473360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about taxis in the US though < 1396291210 822968 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very uncommon in switzerland to use a taxi :) < 1396291222 593771 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396291235 181234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too expensive and there's public transport < 1396291243 382821 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i imagine in switzerland a taxi ride costs about as much as acquiring whatsapp < 1396291254 726434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1396291255 63079 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and public transit costs about as much as taxis most places < 1396291333 763663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.80 per Kilometer < 1396291343 153305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd cost me about 38 CHF to get to town :) < 1396291353 868297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to 12 CHF I'd have to pay for the bus < 1396291356 641164 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i would say, for example, that most tariffs and other restrictions on foreign trade are a form of banning/restricting technology in order to protect certain jobs < 1396291384 723071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: but it's not directly a ban against technology < 1396291387 373942 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396291388 716756 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396291397 707551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a ban against massive cheap productions < 1396291399 422227 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suspect the seattle thing is not a direct ban either < 1396291423 776366 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather a set of restrictions designed to make it uneconomical < 1396291446 112675 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the technology in the trade case being the ever-cheaper ways of shipping things) < 1396291453 941265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an app that lets you call cabs from your phone isn't much of a "technology" either < 1396291457 892114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a business model < 1396291475 781560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1396291487 142213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually about how you use technology :) < 1396291491 642555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean labeling every company that has a website or a phone app as a "technology company" is pretty silly < 1396291494 722082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's every company now < 1396291500 71622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is common usage, though < 1396291504 221397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet wasn't really of anyone's privacy concern until facebook showed up :D < 1396291539 477203 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 3d printers is the next big thing < 1396291550 692657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how they develop you can produce your own stuff at home < 1396291569 952285 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: another example i'm familiar with, lightweight trains are illegal in the US for "safety" reasons < 1396291577 177657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd probably will have a large impact on stuff < 1396291586 522225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a lightweight train? < 1396291587 580339 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they are used in europe in asia and are empirically safer than trains in the US < 1396291622 738882 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trains for use in the US have to be built specifically for the US market, generally at factories in the US < 1396291634 362726 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just importing whatever from europe or japan < 1396291676 751157 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several reasons for this but protecting US jobs is one of them < 1396291756 272595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains that don't weigh as much as other trains :3 < 1396291778 62264 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversely i think that a desire to protect european agriculture and associated jobs is a significant (though not the only) reason for european hostility to GMO crops < 1396291828 832194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a cultural reason too < 1396291838 871397 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there are other reasons too, in all of these cases < 1396291841 217702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are afraid of genetically modified stuff < 1396291864 692429 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1396291868 202956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the christians obviously. They don't like it either < 1396291884 971757 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"christians" are generally more politically powerful in the US < 1396291885 811553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish Taxi Owners Federation wrote a press release that they don't see any need for a thing like Uber in Finland, because they already have a couple smartphone apps for ordering a taxi. < 1396291904 86218 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in holland we have this thing called #D Hubs which effectively connects people with 3d printers at home with people that need prints (making competition with companies such as shapeways) < 1396291912 122294 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D Hubs* < 1396291913 943680 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so if the existing cartel doesn't see a need, we should ban it? < 1396291929 391089 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396291933 521706 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what's so great about 3D printers < 1396291942 210129 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember the last time i bought something that could be 3D printed < 1396291965 916903 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess when the palmrest of my laptop broke two years ago? < 1396291973 391583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :christians here are also powerful < 1396291978 362085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not as crazy as in the us ;) < 1396291981 724091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Well, at least according to their interpretation (which does sound reasonable) it was already banned here before it even existed, in that it's not compatible with the regulations; I guess they're just saying there's no need to go changing those rules. < 1396291984 297741 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard people saay that they dont see the need in programming anything becacuse everything is available already (those were windows people, mind you)' < 1396291994 967516 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d printing is the same as programming < 1396292005 541175 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how much do taxis cost in finland? < 1396292016 888694 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberx in SF is under $1 per km < 1396292024 636435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B: Are you playing soldat? < 1396292029 696243 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1396292033 204139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2d game? < 1396292048 351399 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit new enemy starfighter trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_U2MdCdaR4 < 1396292050 150944 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*googling* < 1396292057 122334 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oops wrong channel but still < 1396292059 691645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have to google it that's probably a "no" ;) < 1396292061 424436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Quite a lot. It's about 40 euros to take a taxi from home to the airport (the only thing we use them for, really), and I think that's something like 15-20 km. < 1396292070 312007 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B: i'm not saying that 3D printing is not needed because it provides things i can already get other ways, i'm saying that i don't see how it provides anything i would want ever < 1396292081 222343 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like worms < 1396292095 932284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happened that someone with your nick was on a public server some minutes ago :D < 1396292117 227808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 1.52 €/km (for 1-2 persons) in addition to the base costs and airport fees and whatnot. < 1396292128 417689 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make custom things, as opposed to hacking things together with scrap and household tools < 1396292142 117143 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it like programming instead of chaining and piping linux commands < 1396292146 645056 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm that's pretty good < 1396292156 302071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's about twice the price. < 1396292157 718229 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B: but i never hack things together with scrap and household tools < 1396292165 401609 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what things would i ever make that way? < 1396292172 143595 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see hackaday.com < 1396292199 294141 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not the best example site because they use lots of electronics < 1396292284 421074 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :homebrew electronics projects are sometimes cool, though a lot of them will still basically be useless trinkets < 1396292327 581279 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the vast majority of 3D printed things seem to be useless trinkets < 1396292369 68133 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do, if you go to one of those model sites < 1396292370 491156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now < 1396292373 142217 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never look at that crap < 1396292380 867420 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1396292390 916027 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me something i could conceivably 3D print that i actually want < 1396292414 100477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spoon? < 1396292421 475358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: are you arguing against the general utility of 3D printers or just your personal need for one? < 1396292425 514350 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what you want, so i can name 10 things and you can argue about every one that there is an alternative < 1396292441 577164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... maybe some gunz? < 1396292448 583896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cool glow-in-the-dark 3D printed light fixture in my living room < 1396292452 672265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be a "useless trinket" < 1396292457 662284 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: one-shot-only guns? < 1396292462 131576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1396292466 197516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're skilled... < 1396292469 863344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can 3D print an AR-15 lower receiver < 1396292472 813005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one shot is the only one you need < 1396292486 374998 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i agree that most 3d printer owners print 'gadgets' that only exist for coolness < 1396292507 811081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway lexande this is like when you argued there is no reason for anybody to ever cook at home because you, personally, don't care about food quality or price or variety or convenience < 1396292510 1517 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i mean, the technology is cool and there are definitely uses, i just don't think it's particulary "transformative" < 1396292532 50604 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and i'm arguing a strong version of that because i'm contrarian < 1396292536 152079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think home 3D printing is in the Altair 8800 stage right now < 1396292540 752290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a useless trinket < 1396292571 963936 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont own 3d printer and never really had any ideas about what to print myself < 1396292572 769035 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what, i do care about price, that is why i eat 99¢ pizza) < 1396292584 82475 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i once designed a replacement piece for a tabletop game where a piece was broken so a friend could print it < 1396292603 552480 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396292613 204500 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a good use case < 1396292626 618318 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am glad 3D printers are becoming cheaper and more available for that kind of use case < 1396292675 540910 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i designed a toothbrush holder, failed a bit with the lid tolerances, but he practically begged it to put the designs online because there were so many requests < 1396292710 324675 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to compare them to the altair 8800 is to suggest that in a few decades they will be completely pervasive and everyone will use one on a daily basis and be unable to imagine life without it with many people centering their whole lives around it < 1396292746 421683 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't imagine this, am i missing something? < 1396292761 185883 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some people imagine a world where you can print anything non-electronic that you now have to buy < 1396292766 672694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a model train enthusiast friend who's printed some spare parts or some-such at the library; that seems like another rather natural use case. < 1396292769 671919 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :from travel games to flower vases < 1396292875 173661 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 years ago when the only printed paper was offset-pressed, did they think that they needed to do that at home? < 1396292878 621166 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D printing has a high medical-use potential < 1396292878 808710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: a printout from the library 3D printer costs the same amount -- 0.40 eur -- as a copy of a sheet of paper.) < 1396292882 757170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it's this experimental "showcase" / "makerspace" thing-kind-of-a-place, and not, you know, a standard feature in all local libraries.) < 1396292993 70944 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B: i mean, i struggle to think of non-electronic non-food things i buy. clothes i guess? is it suggested those would mostly be 3D printed? < 1396293023 581857 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :comb? < 1396293058 653267 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i saw a 3d printed version irl, that looked like a torture tool < 1396293071 305911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Guns, of course. < 1396293087 526440 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i own a comb, and some bowls and such, once-a-decade purchases < 1396293095 993008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D printing is also transformative in product design and prototyping < 1396293116 511667 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess electronics or mechanics isn't any of your hobbies < 1396293131 181230 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos those people love 3d printed enclosures < 1396293131 460470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: "i struggle to think of non-electronic non-food things i buy" <--- exhibit A that you are not most people < 1396293184 949698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who love 3D-printed enclosures aren't most people either, though. < 1396293186 908557 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396293232 551608 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see on shapeways (which can print much higher quality than a makerbot, and in metal) they have lots of jewelry < 1396293290 800939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it kind of curious that VR and 3D printing are both the (alleged) Next Big Thing, even though they're kind of opposites? < 1396293336 822149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One takes you to the place where the 3D models live, and the other brings 3D models back to where you live, after all. < 1396293352 288426 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both involve giant penis scupltures, though < 1396293368 259591 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396293382 301170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both will be (are?) used for porn, too; there's that. < 1396293401 868130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :VR? < 1396293410 81542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, but I think there are a lot of separate use cases for 3D printing and they might add up to a lot of people (if not most), even if lexande falls outside all of them < 1396293440 33850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Virtual reality. < 1396293446 963336 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1396293456 155774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_ has some textile-working equipment that she designed and I produced on a laser cutter < 1396293456 901075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't see that coming :) < 1396293475 500879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: A lot of people do, though. (See: Sony, and the Facebook Oculus acquisition.) < 1396293484 198679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396293489 91412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1396293494 183537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-3.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396293495 622053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the honor to look through an oculus < 1396293513 290061 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was recruited by an oculus-like google designer < 1396293518 529873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very pixelish < 1396293525 590852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they told me the new versions gonna be better :) < 1396293527 862572 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :goggle designer*! < 1396293534 210928 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn finger memory < 1396293535 222914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard, it's a lot more immersive with the latest prototypes that do head-tracking. < 1396293536 863452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in akihabara I played some kind of game where you used an oculus and a leap motion controller to grope anime girls < 1396293543 153386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that I was playing it wrong < 1396293543 340619 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-3.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1396293543 340746 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396293575 364040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1396293578 309742 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual porn then? < 1396293586 990993 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol in japan i also played some 2d immersive game at the uni, with mechas and stuff < 1396293588 378482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's certainly one use case of stuff < 1396293590 121161 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d < 1396293622 585802 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that picelishness comes from low resolution phones < 1396293630 710397 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again with the new 2560x1440 phone < 1396293693 360543 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: where are you from? < 1396293715 910747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phone? < 1396293861 298723 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396293908 135321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 947 < 1396293908 769804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 947: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily < 1396293927 358878 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnet.com/news/oppo-debuts-worlds-first-5-5-inch-quad-hd-find-7/ < 1396293954 391293 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking forward to playing all my old Virtual Boy games again < 1396293956 582890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VR headsets aren't made out of phones. < 1396293974 510732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same kind of display panels, sure, but that doesn't make them phones. < 1396294005 935659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the freaking point of going about 200, perhaps 300 dpi? < 1396294023 760097 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you talked about oculus rift and stuff < 1396294074 212618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Probably quite a lot for a display right in front of your eye, to be honest. < 1396294086 164915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear they are doing this so that the phone batteries deplete within 3 days even though the capacity increases all the time. < 1396294095 262454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a phone, I don't have any idea.) < 1396294102 231580 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 3 days? mine barely lasts one < 1396294104 800610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except being able to quote bigger numbers.) < 1396294114 334899 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't replace it :( < 1396294116 600075 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone is 440dpi < 1396294144 526321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant s/about/above/ up there, odd typo. < 1396294163 694600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I forgot to `olist. < 1396294179 66219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a point to `olist? < 1396294182 297616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been so long. < 1396294208 256847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396294229 66227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I have a stupid nokia phone which lasts a week (batteries are getting old) ;) < 1396294303 10889 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :both my old and new phone (google mytouch and google nexus 5) last about 5 days of average use and wifi connected 100% of the time < 1396294318 40077 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i could 3D print a new phone battery < 1396294335 461720 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lipo batteries can be inkjet-printed < 1396294365 447671 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nexus 4 barely lasts a day, wifi off and brightness set to automatic < 1396294376 366191 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very low capcity, more useful for calculators in terms of power usage (like those that use these little solar panels) < 1396294404 270378 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried nexus 4 < 1396294415 170868 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lasted 6 years on a single phone < 1396294417 510352 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish phones weren't so big < 1396294430 794863 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss my nexus s, i can't reach the far corner of my nexus 4 < 1396294457 226217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish phones were still phones < 1396294486 629711 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that was always the worst feature of phones < 1396294624 725179 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get two 18650 3.7V 3Ah batteries < 1396294647 185454 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pring a new cover for your phone < 1396294684 301513 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*print < 1396294764 276534 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current usage, first 2 hours screen on, then stand-by: https://www.dropbox.com/s/50dy62ztt6aq6c2/Screenshot_2014-03-31-21-36-18.png < 1396294852 678293 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm not screen on, i was driving to work* < 1396295173 368511 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone is now 14h28m on battery < 1396295233 228568 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great , linux does not like to copy small files , 1hr for 7.8gig hdd to hdd < 1396295252 91509 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :small files are never funny < 1396295287 797937 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to copy all the user prililedges too and that is a slow operation for the kernel (it does authoring an stuff for each file) < 1396295345 859091 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only FS that like small files are non-journalled and have no permissions, like fat32 < 1396295347 13200 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably have ripped out some obfuscated one liner in terminal that both zips copy and extracts the data < 1396295365 290202 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be even slower < 1396295385 3768 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think < 1396295414 390334 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its faster to make a truecrypt container and keep small files there. just copy the container < 1396295427 986780 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1396295434 709763 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as an intermediate step but permanently keep them there < 1396295443 586114 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396295454 359309 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if they are not needed all the time < 1396295455 523473 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt windows would play nice with em < 1396295466 943817 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its qt i'm copying < 1396295475 229649 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :src? < 1396295476 762761 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a ultracap < 1396295483 581533 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i was not broke < 1396295580 949898 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a 4 year old project of an esoteric functional language, but its unfinished, full of errors, and no documentation/commenting whatsoever < 1396295589 250148 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only $18 for a 400F 2.7 V cap < 1396295600 578731 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1396295601 969701 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :daamn, 400F < 1396295606 604021 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently wrote bf^ < 1396295608 589575 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many mAh is that? < 1396295613 419420 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/electric-double-layer-capacitors/7690221/ < 1396295627 475555 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well W = 0.5CV*V < 1396295656 972030 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1458J < 1396295697 699777 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :80mAh/V < 1396295718 35366 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bout 1080maH , if you assume V = 0.5*.7 < 1396295718 221889 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :amp hours nooooo < 1396295765 17883 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err mAs * < 1396295770 285015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396295774 658378 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 0.3 AH < 1396295784 960419 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :found better formula: *0.2777, so 111mAh/V < 1396295805 180447 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more volts you put in it, the more MaH it becomes (obvious) < 1396295815 666404 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jip < 1396295865 106054 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is if you drain linearly ofc < 1396295875 900434 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :300mAh for 2.7V in half the size of an AA, not very high capacity < 1396295921 195238 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newer graphene based ultra caps are approaching litium batteries < 1396295930 799230 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :better harvest some of those button-sized bios batteries from old laptops < 1396295940 150582 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :got some here < 1396295979 842380 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well , if you use a button cell in parallel with this cap , it would be fun < 1396296010 34912 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would be able to trigger large devices with a small cell < 1396296016 709843 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so button can recharge cap and cap can provide high transient load? < 1396296022 625387 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396296047 503841 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm , i wonder how long a ram module can run from such a cap < 1396296059 380886 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend a resistor in between (or low-dropout constant current driver if you're feeliong hackery) < 1396296081 657617 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend having a ultracap first < 1396296101 548770 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend collecting moneyz first < 1396296119 865694 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396296205 922309 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm , if you use a 10mA Led , you can power that led for entire night < 1396296215 369993 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396296235 213266 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much longer if you use a joule thief < 1396296241 447877 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found the doc of that functional esoland < 1396296246 889246 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or brighter < 1396296249 529802 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1396296262 839579 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :joule thief is suxors, tried it once < 1396296283 149156 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried another one i found on a dutch forum that works 10x better < 1396296285 553911 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their just low poer boost converters < 1396296290 192491 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no need to wind your own coil < 1396296315 271076 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old motherboards have lovly ferrite cores < 1396296364 137480 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to finish my bick converter < 1396296365 680109 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried a led once on a fully charged 1F supercap, lasted like 5 minutes < 1396296377 857423 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i can start with revision 3 < 1396296387 99802 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no regulator, just parallel < 1396296390 695996 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 5 minutes? < 1396296402 794964 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396296412 657588 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 11mF cap array that lasts 2 minutes with an led < 1396296413 949762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396296424 384677 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 20 V < 1396296425 561999 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts off with high load ofcourse, and as soon as voltage drops below 3.5V the led dims < 1396296447 345363 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a constand current chip < 1396296467 568886 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could try it on my lasers < 1396296472 840437 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1396296476 981830 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a current driver by definition < 1396296486 691463 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's chinese dealextreme crap < 1396296514 565164 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to buy some laser modules for a FSO project < 1396296586 929167 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/pcfLQmqr and it's called amorphicum, not without reason < 1396296612 391082 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow i'm gonna read it in detail, now it's too late, imma go < 1396296663 743103 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woa < 1396296665 649545 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind that this is a scrap document and not some final language definition < 1396296706 549435 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favotite line: "Code will be well understandable for the programmer but not for the uninitiated." < 1396296710 398535 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great only 33k files to copy < 1396296720 320857 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have to copy everything again < 1396296749 146878 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw your BF^ the other day, the additions are useful < 1396296773 407512 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah , thy < 1396296879 793654 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396296885 790629 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396296903 928761 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was considering releasing the code in library form < 1396296933 936086 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have quite few program projects running already < 1396297239 842163 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :made redirect http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF^ because i couldn't find it < 1396297306 673528 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Zom-B|zz < 1396297310 410102 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thy < 1396297311 590084 :Zom-B|zz!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn < 1396297320 583314 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't even think about redirects < 1396297407 538440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have a fancy mediawiki update workflow? :p < 1396297426 839450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made up one, it's not very fancy. < 1396297431 778644 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396297475 898836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much git does it involve?? < 1396297646 835886 :Slereah!~jackal@193.253.170.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396297758 984332 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396297832 897786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's got the extensions from cloned official gits, and modified configuration files (just LocalSettings.php) from a local git, but the MediaWiki files from a release tarball. < 1396297916 787917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did use a "git archive | tar" kind of thing to copy the extensions in their right places, which makes it very fancy. < 1396297919 728162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, major version 1.21 or something had moved the Vector extension to core, apparently. < 1396297998 809792 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396298035 889085 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396298497 501290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nod < 1396298509 96114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to have my own branch that I merged the wmf release branches into < 1396298518 18143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with LocalSettings.php and submodules for extensions < 1396298525 978489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to update extensions with new versions, btw, at least major ones) < 1396298538 254087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- but it turns out that if you have the wmf branch for 1.19 you can't just merge the 1.20 one in, say < 1396298547 78399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has stuff that's 1.19-specific in the branch, I guess < 1396298760 11278 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396298930 898934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have in the Workflow Document a command for checking out a new RELn_nn branches of the extensions, to be used if a major version changes; otherwise it just pulls. AIUI, those are the ones suited for use with release tarballs. (I guess I could equally well have the MediaWiki files from git, too. But "w/e".) < 1396299019 393194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/upgrading < 1396299027 125385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obsoleted workflow < 1396299055 167704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the wmf branches get updated beyond just the releases < 1396299056 7841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1396299095 319062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, they did when I actually updated mediawiki :P < 1396299614 853332 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396299901 951916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kind of feeling I got, but I couldn't be bothered to figure out what it all means. < 1396299977 407788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nod < 1396299999 800429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run trunk, clearly < 1396300948 87479 :Zom-B|zz!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396301180 279837 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396301216 249851 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396301321 307608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396301404 830111 :Slereah!~jackal@193.253.170.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396301677 7216 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396301730 702996 :Zom-B|zz!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396301754 247423 :Zom-B|zz!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Guest27452 < 1396302077 578437 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396302620 366437 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396303625 441822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396303643 510245 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396303985 935162 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396303994 446931 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00146/abstract l m a o < 1396304240 396461 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396304991 440410 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396305197 856360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: that reminds me of retropsychokinesis < 1396305425 676346 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With Shelfies (Shareable Selfies) you can set your own photo as a Gmail custom theme and share it with your friends so they can enjoy looking at you as much as you do." < 1396305452 720621 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1396305471 995455 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gmail popped that message up at me < 1396305485 100194 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1396305497 641948 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.euirc.net/en/news_detail.php?newsid=197 < 1396305535 87220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1396305547 175506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use the top trending shelfies < 1396305563 229075 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: nice < 1396305737 446747 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396306068 557232 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neuroquantology.com/index.php/journal/article/view/591 this looks good < 1396306572 433431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fairchild F8 bus is a but unusual, lacking any address lines, but having eight data lines and five control lines. < 1396306687 236728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Each device on the bus has to keep its own copy of the address.) < 1396307995 978345 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396308012 484493 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dudes and dudettes < 1396308074 789086 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396308117 367202 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone started on a roguelike featuring programmable magic < 1396308171 84986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Also an idea I have been thinking about, but never implemented (or figured out how to implement). < 1396308196 614227 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has (myself included) < 1396308229 636248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1396308233 286290 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't go far enough until we have spells that write spells < 1396308324 537524 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 what would you want from a game with programmable magic? < 1396308344 98867 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396308346 147915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Yes, that too I would expect, spells that write spells... perhaps some kind of design in Haskell? < 1396308457 384238 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well typed systems are magical < 1396308568 206763 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem I always run into is that if the spell language is pleasent enough that we can get things done in it and flexible enough that it can do anything, players will just use it to set enimies hitpoints to 0 < 1396308737 979972 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps if we make it so it can't effect things without haveing a reference to them we could make it so the spell would need both the unique name of the enimy and the unique name of their hitpoints to effect < 1396309173 774061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I did have some ideas relating to that: They wouldn't have such direct effects anyways. < 1396309408 801447 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1396309523 108700 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember thinking what i wanted from a programmable magic system was something where you're trying to write a control system for ~mystic energies~ rather than just, like, writing scripts for the universe to run < 1396309608 806099 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a control system for mystic energies look like? < 1396309650 838879 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alchemic < 1396309866 963312 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, well your main aim would be to avoid blowing your face off, i guess < 1396309947 193408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep though < 1396309948 117924 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396310042 200420 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if I could just define a small core and all the magical effects would be logical consiquences of it < 1396310069 554973 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pshaw, that doesn't sound very chemical < 1396310119 848925 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played codex of alchemical engineering? < 1396310150 738169 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1396310192 278805 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zachtronics.com/alchemy/alchemy.htm < 1396310252 59432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: That "mystic energies" idea is closer to the ideas I had, actually < 1396310355 834645 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouls mystic energies have thier own wills and intentions?