< 1396743033 475591 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1396743360 355804 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooooooooooooooooooooooooot http://puu.sh/7Xvui.png < 1396743391 714655 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :]xhhhhooooooooohhhhhhxooooooooxooooooxjjjxhoooohhhxhohhhhhhhxhhhhjjjhhhxhhhhooooooooohhhhhhxjjjxxjjjjjjjxjhhhhxjhhhhhhhhjjjhh~ < 1396743402 575700 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will add to wiki, but gtg soon < 1396743932 25445 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396743945 196315 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1396744083 945252 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396745945 225084 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396747625 287145 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396747636 865888 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396747983 487126 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396750141 595923 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396750621 385884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like every time i turn around my iptables configuration has been deleted. :( < 1396751016 328889 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a really boring poltergeist < 1396751543 661084 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396752096 929321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be the upgrade installer. dunno. making an extra copy of the rules in case it happens again < 1396752304 716863 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396752543 616871 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396753131 156599 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should add the snarxiv score indicators < 1396753156 116679 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think 30% was "9th year grad student") < 1396753200 237130 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is genuinely harder than snarxiv < 1396753201 923060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to recognize the music of a record by observing the grooves? < 1396753304 537103 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I'm sad CMONFLICTOR isn't a real opcode < 1396753629 538902 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396754003 788474 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396754089 797204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's essentially how CDs work. I'm surre one could readily build an optical needle < 1396754122 749630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and...it's already been done < 1396754133 701431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable < 1396754157 63057 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so zeerust a concept i can't handle it < 1396754166 69808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a book that someone could recognize a lot of orchestral music on a record, by only observing the grooves, not using any special equipment. However, only post Mozart music, but still that is a lot of possibilities < 1396754204 626399 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine there are repetitive patterns, especially if you're listening to some form that's really regimented < 1396754271 366674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly believe that it might be possible. < 1396754334 907644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably amplitude variation over time would be enough. i don't doubt there are many more who can differentiate pieces looking at the waveform < 1396754349 816540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe it is. < 1396754358 796320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly, since I don't know how to do it myself. < 1396754447 557078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says here: "Arthur Lintgen ... apparently possesses the remarkable ability to identify the music on a phonographic record without referring to its label ... by looking at the grooves on the surface of the disc ... the music must be classical, orchestral, and post-Mozart ... this leaves a body of recorded music that runs into thousands of records." < 1396754467 946815 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396754548 518139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :James Randi was commissioned to test it. He figured it out, even multiple recordings of the same music, and an extra cut on the disc, and others. However, two of them were something different: rock music, and a lecture. He called the rock music "gibberish" and the lecture "a vocal solo of some kind". I suppose this is to be expected if you don't understand that kind of "music"... < 1396754572 686505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clear to me that this is nothing "paranormal". < 1396754624 432559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, seeing as how nothing people actually can do can be called "paranormal"... < 1396754763 716409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would seem. < 1396754867 436314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other reports of things, much of which are exposed as hoaxes, frauds, or something else, but some which don't know such thing quite yet, and which would seem to be "paranormal". I wasn't there, so I don't know if these reports are just made up, but you cannot disregard things out of hand. Once people thought, stones cannot come from the sky, but now they figured it out. So, you cannot just ignore something with no good reason. < 1396754907 617036 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The prototype revealed an interesting flaw of laser turntables: they are so accurate that they play every particle of dirt and dust on the record, rather than pushing them aside as a conventional stylus would." < 1396754918 546586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but, doesn't mean it can ignore everything < 1396754929 457616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Interesting idea. < 1396754941 957561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but all SERIOUS audiophiles store and play their records in an industrial clean room, so it's no big issue < 1396754943 226457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know, but yes of course if it a laser, clearly that is how it works! < 1396754987 203755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be fun to use a record of 4'33" < 1396755009 746365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think industrial clean rooms tend to have good acoustic qualities < 1396755031 685386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? theoretically you can design your clean room any way you want to < 1396755032 947774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not musicians' fault that semiconductor manufacturer have no taste. < 1396755874 606827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, you need to design, the musical clean room. < 1396755894 873885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did. < 1396755962 646197 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptying spit valves is gonna suck, i can already tell < 1396756027 344786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no wind or brass instruments allowed...you can't play them with a clean suit on < 1396757561 795189 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396757752 866134 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396759586 295630 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396759786 537564 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396761645 886335 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396761663 275146 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396761900 765394 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396765120 365286 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396765157 34454 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396765425 966619 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396766110 274570 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396766366 200570 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396767078 144744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play non-brass music, then. < 1396767088 835591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you like non-brass music) < 1396768309 55164 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396769013 944651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396771749 145841 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396771811 75256 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396772453 124488 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396772467 57395 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inxlljidyijionhb QUIT :Changing host < 1396772467 247854 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1396772467 247982 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1396772467 248059 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inxlljidyijionhb JOIN :#esoteric < 1396772870 284498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I was thinking that there should have been some sort of a complicated scoring mechanism with multipliers and all that. < 1396773722 274275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396775202 92451 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1396775361 436051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1396776009 904047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I heard it through the grapefruit / not much longer would you be mine. / Oh I heard it through the grapefruit, / Oh and I'm just about to lose my mind." < 1396776039 624539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ate a grapefruit for breakfast.) < 1396776204 805328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Maybe some kind of a bellows-driven trombone. < 1396776223 360607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://zem.fi/2014-04-05-opquiz < 1396776287 385502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your interpretation makes the losing mind part so much clearer. < 1396776368 835969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1396777128 938876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1396777149 22159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1396777153 224640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice photos again < 1396777172 343791 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396777173 654598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I like the "Pixels most distant from the mean, smoothed." a lot < 1396777227 81482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also nice opcode quiz < 1396777289 440824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? There are real opcodes with underscore in them? < 1396777319 52690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as accepted by NASM. < 1396777323 277371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1396777332 288700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well so far I have 19/23 correct < 1396777336 83103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too bad I think < 1396777357 179027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :VFNMADD213SS is real? Really? < 1396777366 518624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be like a link to what each real one does < 1396777412 45016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, no ARM? < 1396777417 778592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would've liked that, but it would've been hard to collect, since they're all spread out. < 1396777444 513263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ARM opcodes were in an overly complicated from in the Binutils sources, all kind of custom %x expandables. < 1396777451 399881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ARM and AVR are probably the only other two I have a chance of < 1396777457 94448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of managing* < 1396777510 625306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, about 80% success rate is what I manage on x86 < 1396777554 615686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underscores are at least official Intel nomenclature, as per the Intel Architecture Instruction Set Extensions Programming Reference. < 1396777632 994224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396777639 404495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah x86 is crazy < 1396777657 165352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 80% correct was a fluke, now it seems to stay around 70% < 1396777683 633834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVR I think I could manage, mostly because it is such a simple instruction set < 1396777715 415897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And VFNMADD213SS is "Fused Negative Multiply-Add of Sclaar Single-Precision Floating-Point Values"; VFNMADD213SS xmm0, xmm1, xmm2 does x0 = x2 - x0 * x1 where xN is the single-precision float in the low 32 bits of xmmN. < 1396777732 553574 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck intel! < 1396777761 863403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The numbers -- 132, 213 and 231 are all valid -- denote the way those three operands go.) < 1396777778 144717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396777803 462906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some kind of logic in there, though I can't quite decode it immediately. < 1396777820 452073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SS is probably scalar single or something like that < 1396777836 259019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opcode for VFNMADD213SS is VEX.DDS.LIG.128.66.0F38.W0 AD /r. < 1396777864 688189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell? Is this an alias for a lot of prefixes basically? < 1396777894 50572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some way of denoting all the parts of the VEX prefix, yes. < 1396777925 604818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which flag is support for this sort of stuff in /proc/cpuinfo? < 1396777930 773968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VEX.[NDS/NDD/DS].[128,256,L0,L1,LIG].[66,F2,F3].0F/0F3A/0F38.[W0,W1,WIG] opcode [/r]" is the full format. < 1396777960 956528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CPUID Feature Flag" column lists "FMA" in the manual. < 1396777975 749795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the VEX stuff in general < 1396778001 172659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm ida arat epb xsave < 1396778001 376793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid < 1396778017 932663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that is a lot, also that is "xsaveopt" as a single entry in the line-break < 1396778018 366788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"avx", probably. < 1396778025 690737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what introduced the VEX prefix, AIUI. < 1396778038 999997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is there I guess < 1396778042 196006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or AVX512F if you want to use the "VFMADD132SS xmm0 {k1}{z}, xmm1, xmm2/m32{er}" form.) < 1396778057 628485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Sandy Bridge < 1396778079 548435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx ... < 1396778085 541378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm ida arat xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm" < 1396778111 252221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivy Bridge? < 1396778117 617720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it has more stuff < 1396778128 182204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell, even. < 1396778151 98296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("avx2" is a tipoff, technically.) < 1396778180 734979 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flags: vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc up rep_good nopl pni monitor ssse3 lahf_lm" < 1396778182 753615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396778185 692170 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ssse3 < 1396778202 352040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's what came in-between SSE3 and SSE4. < 1396778209 91305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Supplemental Streaming SIMD Extensions 3.) < 1396778220 37343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, is that your entire flags? Fairly old I guess? < 1396778236 85389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think I can beat you, even if it is a bit of cheating: < 1396778238 195834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls < 1396778242 495362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is a RPi) < 1396778245 555656 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's under VT-x < 1396778249 252265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396778274 58805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags: fpu de tsc msr pae cx8 sep cmov pat clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht syscall lm constant_tsc up rep_good nopl pni ssse3 cx16 movbe hypervisor lahf_lm dtherm < 1396778280 783824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Intel Atom 230, not virtualized.) < 1396778317 377095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is dtherm? < 1396778356 549657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. Could be something Atom-specific, I guess. < 1396778375 222064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it's also in these bigger flag lists. < 1396778413 938263 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah they aren't sorted, so it is kind of hard to find < 1396778427 14715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they are sorted somewhat chronologically. < 1396778445 776616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, I have an old P3 that I could boot to check the flags, but I'm not sure I care, the power isn't connected and so on < 1396778452 75229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUID bit order, presumably. < 1396778482 556850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be reasonably chronological < 1396778497 333959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This system does not have a "flags" entry in cpuinfo at all, does that count as a list of length 0? < 1396778560 38370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, RPi? I think we can use the "Features" then < 1396778563 776733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I did above < 1396778573 195422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "Features" either. < 1396778577 902251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What architecture? < 1396778579 681722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"system type: 96368MVWG" "cpu model: BCM6368 V3.1" < 1396778584 177221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS? < 1396778585 953501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1396778591 656399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396778598 54178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's "ASEs implemented:" but it's empty. < 1396778602 821167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know what an "ASE" is. < 1396778611 804843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds like a list of some kind of extensions. < 1396778700 874551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtherm is apparently the "Digital Thermal Sensor Capability" bit (CPUID function 06h, bit EAX[1]); as far as I can tell, it's what the coretemp thing reads. < 1396778750 191002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396778837 64610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Features: swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3" this phone has a list one element shorter than the RPi. < 1396778875 67087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also somewhat different; no thumb, and noen + vfpv3 in place of java + tls.) < 1396778901 893632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it can run Thumb code, so I don't know why there's no Thumb flag. Maybe it's a kernel thing. < 1396778953 595050 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bogomips: 4548.57" < 1396778961 781139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best unit ever. < 1396778983 153715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :398.33 BogoMIPS on the MIPS box. < 1396778995 283205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1396779004 887475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :BogoMIPS : 2.00 < 1396779008 197115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the RPi < 1396779031 628503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogomips : 6621.52 is my desktop < 1396779037 387038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a bogus result on the RPi. < 1396779042 713079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite so < 1396779044 611970 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are bogomips < 1396779065 836033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 249.96 on the phone, 1993.93 on this Android tablet and 6799.32 on the desktop. < 1396779076 729671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, like, more bogus than bogomips < 1396779080 555666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, number of NOPs per second as measured early during boot by the kernel to calibrate some internal delay loop iirc < 1396779095 242275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why it is 2 on the RPi though, that seems wrong < 1396779111 324846 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to check that :D < 1396779125 93739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips < 1396779148 737443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall I had some system where the BogoMIPS number changed according to cpufreq scaling. Doesn't seem to happen on this desktop, though. < 1396779221 514231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, constant_tsc probably counteracts it (the feature that results in that flag that is) < 1396779233 924242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it scaled back on older computers yes < 1396779996 553694 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396780005 119566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The reasons (there are two) it is printed during boot-up is that a) it is slightly useful for debugging and for checking that the computers caches and turbo button work, and b) Linus loves to chuckle when he sees confused people on the news." < 1396780066 541439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old turbo button. < 1396780094 475660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1396780117 487408 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the button that made your CPU slower < 1396780127 105291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often, yes. < 1396780182 19663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I vaguely recall one system that was wired to be faster (16 MHz vs. 8 MHz) with the button pressed. < 1396780244 402989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess BogoMIPS is a bit like glxgears then, useless except to tell that your system isn't completely out of whack < 1396780409 964850 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"158 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.595 FPS" < 1396780416 20395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, elliott could you make lambdabot join #cs-york for a bit? < 1396780428 34739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should really have GPU virtualization by now. < 1396780453 610607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Nvidia did have some stuff towards that direction? < 1396780462 692319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For their computing-oriented hardware, anyway. < 1396780484 453588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join #cs-york < 1396780485 898803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, we should, but most people who virtualize don't game < 1396780491 941533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on the same machine < 1396780495 427437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, thanks < 1396780498 188513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two different markets < 1396780578 831484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall glogbot accepts channel invites, how bad would it be to do the same for lambdabot < 1396780630 317849 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvidia Grid is fairly new, I think < 1396780650 693979 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they loves segmentation < 1396780685 213909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. Are there honeypot channels here where joining gets you killed? ;-) < 1396780688 972455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume the main worry would be if lambdabot gets too overworked) < 1396780695 804386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too paranoid for that.
< 1396780711 448361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well yes but you have to be _on_ them to invite, no? < 1396780728 482264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the technical invite which only a channel op can do, afaiu < 1396780729 195412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1396780891 808561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I don't know. Are there honeypot channels here where joining gets you killed? ;-) <-- think so yes < 1396780932 48257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think you only need to be op of +m is set? < 1396780948 204815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1396780963 265254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if you /part, we can test I guess < 1396780978 938403 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PART :#esoteric < 1396780987 252438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:43:54] -!- #esoteric You're not a channel operator < 1396780990 52962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1396780993 298449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When trying to invite fungot.) < 1396780996 885015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan #esoteric :is already on channel < 1396780999 975949 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396781006 437554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the checks happen in a weird order < 1396781010 730177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to part when i saw fungot do it < 1396781010 932822 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( though its experimental and instrumenting) ' it) < 1396781017 324792 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that kernel onward the BogoMips rating for then current Pentium CPUs was twice that of the rating before the change. The changed BogoMips outcome had no effect on real processor performance. < 1396781021 342909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1396781098 583966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the patch name was "improve bogosity of bogomips" < 1396781190 63107 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CA5MLCS Enterprise ready GPU virtualization. At least they're cheaper than some Xeons. < 1396781225 714125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, are those Telsa series with no actual display connectors? < 1396781228 232449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or real GPUs? < 1396781250 376412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telsa. Cute. < 1396781263 672259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So useless for non-HPC then, right < 1396781266 582205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a moment I was wondering whether that was the real name.) < 1396781322 17203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tesla? Or what < 1396781324 80915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, there are too many codenames for all the GPUs and CPUs, who's expected to track them? < 1396781344 980201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Something discovered recently: if you have a channel with modes +if (invite-only, forward on; the latter needs the former), and the person trying to join the channel is either banned or already on the target channel of the +f, the error message given is the "cannot join, invite-only" one instead. < 1396781373 849153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have some Tesla cards in the local computing cluster of the university. < 1396781380 867155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Tesla is a product line. Like i5 and i7 or GeForce and Quadro < 1396781403 357074 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no display connectors, but they are intended for graphics < 1396781423 291081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I thought Tesla were intended for GPGPU? < 1396781434 128193 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a better example is Celeron < 1396781439 798247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10 compute nodes gpu[001-011] are HP SL390s G7 for gpu computing. Same configuration as above but they are 2U high and have 2x Tesla 2090 card each." < 1396781440 43051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1396781442 563236 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some new CPUs are still Celerons. < 1396781457 69624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I thought i3 replaced that segment < 1396781477 780739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as I said, who's supposed to keep track. I've heard of "Tesla" and not of "Telsa" but took a moment to make the connection, because there was nothing obviously wrong with the latter name. < 1396781487 735964 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, i3 is the lowest rung of the high-end Core series. < 1396781500 935592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh I didn't even notice my typo < 1396781505 70801 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel makes plenty of smaller CPUs. < 1396781516 12678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, not even when you repeated it < 1396781530 425151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice the typo either, and the conversation was all manner of confusing. < 1396781536 639063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same < 1396781542 760129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the human brain is a marvellous thing ;-) < 1396781594 155493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1396781648 517016 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron I think every Intel generation since P6 is represented here < 1396781751 290304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396781805 119381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes with joy that KICK and INVITE have their operands swapped.
< 1396781809 716544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes "smaller" just means "we turned half the cache off") < 1396781839 697697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, parameters to stick to the RFC wording. < 1396781894 835394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So implementing this is not too hard (at most 5 lines of code), I just wonder whether I want to have that feature. < 1396781917 911928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POWER TO THE PEOPLE < 1396781929 125929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the internet < 1396781931 801969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or non-people, as the case may be < 1396781935 354307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust people ;-) < 1396781946 682296 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you trust fungot < 1396781946 973231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: its pretty easy to use. that always does the right if 90 is straight down then it should < 1396781959 25753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has not done me any harm yet < 1396781959 341228 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396781966 465639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1396781966 732595 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1396781993 129133 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot never talks to me like that. < 1396781993 556018 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: heh. ( fnord tsh) ( seems ( ( prefix notation) confusing)) to change it to create a whole breed of new fnord languages. < 1396781996 915380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's the recursive style. < 1396782016 542935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that would be "fungot". < 1396782016 772708 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dpkg -i is ok to count your own artificial language when asked how many languages the fnord speak < 1396782019 260949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1396782019 453284 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1396782034 627111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is still dominated by the f word. < 1396782034 873927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The small bits of Finnish come from ircnet/#douglasadams, where there occasionally was a bit of it. < 1396782075 970480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No statements of the f are part of the "irc" style, since the model was trained before the bot existed. < 1396782098 514726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you meant the other f word. < 1396782102 477831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's that mapping. < 1396782159 218865 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396782159 449184 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: fnord it. :p it could be managed with the right hand < 1396782160 640305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1183) fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396782190 221127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does "niinku" mean? < 1396782238 496866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's just a filler, like, that. < 1396782240 682473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a contraction of "niin kuin", which is approximately something like "as if". < 1396782244 845732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "like". < 1396782258 255281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original source of the "niinku" line seems to be a DRUGZ reference. :/ < 1396782318 115761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most of the "fnords" were different Finnish nicknames for hashish.) < 1396782594 887416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style drugs < 1396782595 97106 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1396782663 859199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of those are mysterious to me. Agora, for example. < 1396782687 179025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1396782687 374089 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1396782697 280721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is that as bad as I imagine it would be? < 1396782697 472500 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can i use short form to. thanks < 1396782708 4855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please don't < 1396782708 314137 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: only one place can sit to bishan, take the barcap... all thebest!! :) its time bah, cause i was thinking of coming to soc. btw how to go downfron bugis. u lookfor place < 1396782725 253678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1396782725 461598 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1396782733 204234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be worse. < 1396782747 230176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a reasonably tame example of the SMS style. < 1396782752 622266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's p. bad occasionally. < 1396782781 849004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than a f n o r d loop? < 1396782811 573773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matter of taste, I guess. I don't think it has those at all. < 1396782819 972233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more of that "u lookfor" kind of stuff. < 1396782843 878105 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/sony-demands-removal-of-open-source-indie-short-sintel-from-youtube-98182.html < 1396783350 292877 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a corporate video host stops hosting a video. Much censor. < 1396783363 913719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1396783396 96831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Sintel is sort-of "famous" in that it was one of the first entirely open-source-rendered CGI videos < 1396783406 584261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a tech demo < 1396783424 460268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* int-e notes with joy that KICK and INVITE have their operands swapped. <-- Yes, there are more cases like that in IRC iirc. I wrote an IRC bot once and I noticed quite a lot of strange things < 1396783490 291817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other post said Sony added Sintel to their "4k demo reel" kind of thing, and speculated that led to the (presumably automatic) takedown request. < 1396783538 28803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fnord was basically unique words right? < 1396783543 204229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1396783573 595400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the old models; the new ones, trained with VariKN, mostly have just discarded them, I think. < 1396783614 992729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396783622 693394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what did you use the train the new models? < 1396783702 551183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, VariKN. < 1396783725 652120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer combined with Debian Stable has a really interesting bug btw. If I pause playback in vlc, sound will stop working on resume, I have to do a jump in the video/audio stream to reset it. Either backwards or forward, doesn't matter how long either. < 1396783738 295225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err I meant the old ones < 1396783771 213039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. It doesn't have a name, it was just a custom piece of C++ (of all things) doing a fixed-length unpruned N-gram. < 1396783820 233105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather crummy code, too.) < 1396783866 623595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is C++, good look not being crummy < 1396784014 923460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SLKb?c++ I guess it's not that bad, but it's not that good either. < 1396784042 333392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's really silly is that the only code to test a generated model was in the same program, so I needed to rebuild the whole thing to generate sample sentences. < 1396784043 451880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is interesting indentation < 1396784051 978954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that sprunge messing up tabs? < 1396784067 616091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah seems like it < 1396784115 294871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396784286 172219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the time-tested approach of "just throw strings" to C++ exceptions. < 1396784302 722824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, rather, "just throw string literals".) < 1396784334 791942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that is not considered good practice < 1396784350 43816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than throwing malloc'ed strings < 1396784352 3720 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, secretly, what most C++ exceptions are made of < 1396784365 766849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although even that is better than a mix of throwing malloc'ed strings and string literals) < 1396784388 253775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand I have never been a fan of exceptions in general. There is often a better solution < 1396784389 245060 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throwing malloc'd strings is horrible. You should be using new. < 1396784414 672403 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they are great for cross-function control flow < 1396784419 856273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I was trying to think of the most horrible sort of exception I could off the top of my head < 1396784448 119502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have a Java program that throws integers (specifically speaking, a class deriving from Exception with only one int member of its own) < 1396784452 716024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was translated from C < 1396784473 22757 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a factoring program that throws any factors discovered < 1396784478 34588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, How? < 1396784495 562275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally I prefer co-routines for that < 1396784505 204984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming the language allows that of course) < 1396784514 832111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also assuming you mean the same thing as I do) < 1396784526 613786 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be simulated pretty easily, even in c < 1396784539 343787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but not elegantly really < 1396784563 736925 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that or non-re-entrant < 1396784567 768268 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program has several layers of function calls, which makes simulating coroutines unpleasant. < 1396784583 141279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, also thread safety < 1396784605 518967 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use a lambda object as a continuation, but it gets annoying to pass it around. < 1396785019 451341 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396785154 100438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | tail -1 < 1396785154 699289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1183) fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396785174 342332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1183s/ fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396785229 474425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1396785230 57704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1396785284 173206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1396785474 532412 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`addquote oerjan says:`? qdbformat[...]oerjan says:hth < 1396785534 906097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this evil quote format? < 1396785572 350277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allows us to achieve great wisdom.pdf < 1396785582 257298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my guess) < 1396785593 621469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too lazy to check the repo.
< 1396785601 20388 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18197.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396785619 384425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format is considerably older than the pdf hth < 1396785635 529234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1396785638 355625 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396785689 508362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it does not answer this question: Where else is the format exploited? < 1396785751 776861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere afaik < 1396785791 248405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply a measure of consistency. it also helps a bit when quotes themselves contain quotes. < 1396785855 493629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in every case though. < 1396785860 773739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1396785861 283770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :262) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 307) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 308) `quote django ​352) django is named a < 1396786539 22578 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396786838 333917 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396787358 559131 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18197.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Tritonio1 < 1396788053 321360 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396788390 368674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote django | wc -l < 1396788390 980509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1396788425 508431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/allquotes < 1396788426 54257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ nl -w 1 -s ') ' quotes < 1396788467 513012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tail -n 1 quotes < 1396788467 927748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396788471 532828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1396789046 454904 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that HackEgo seems to be alive and well, I should get back to updating the Wisdom... < 1396789072 645658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have logs yet? < 1396789089 437041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog acciaccatura < 1396789119 981168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastlog: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1396789135 931502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :-( < 1396789144 707084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your logs are in a different castle < 1396789242 398280 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: hellexandello. my name is boily. you don't have a Wisdom Entry describing you. prepare to be wisdomified. < 1396789495 212176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the logs? < 1396789510 734069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still there, they're just not inside HackEgo's VM < 1396789511 36097 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are vile. you rmed the *elcome*s. < 1396789515 413302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HackEgo can't see them < 1396789521 524832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome what about this one < 1396789521 767417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396789521 997595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found < 1396789526 255230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, even that one? < 1396789536 525642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the VM get reset? < 1396789576 743675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "new" VM, new as in no more than several monthd old < 1396789581 982283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*months < 1396789603 647134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What caused the revert? < 1396789613 741792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was all in hg so it would be easy to restore a backup < 1396789654 126966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um elliott deleted the welcomes in a fit of ...something... < 1396789663 801826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the binaries. < 1396789674 791503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the filesystem wasn't reverted < 1396789678 993673 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott deleted the welcomes in a fit of binaries??? < 1396789682 522771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the VM is on a different physical computer < 1396789689 100808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same one that's doing the logging < 1396789698 385731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396789798 319890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the logs were never inside the repository, just mounted on the same machine < 1396789866 803259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the codu.org webserver obviously has access to both < 1396789888 579631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still) < 1396789924 645881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df < 1396789925 513553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1396789959 190523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /var < 1396789959 742675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var: No such file or directory < 1396789962 672408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls / < 1396789963 232177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1396790038 558561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the spanish welcome is still there, but elliott tells me all the recurring spanish people are the same anyway < 1396790313 36321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a spanish-language channel, after all < 1396790382 46220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that welcome has been tailored specifically to make it clear we're not. < 1396790483 871864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame, really. i was somehow imagining somewhere a venezuelan site with a convenient list of irc channels people could try, which had somehow been made by grepping for es in channel names < 1396790529 475715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's brilliant < 1396790532 735965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to believe that now < 1396790550 944581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not *all* the spanish people are one person < 1396790556 833587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was just one particularly persistent one over the last few months < 1396790571 544195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "es" hypotesis is plausible. < 1396790610 867095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are all the venezuelans the same? < 1396790627 441275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, not sure < 1396790682 115421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, we can continue to believe then < 1396790950 209037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you want to get all technical about it, the HackEgo hg browser is actually running on www2.codu.org, a different VPS (the one HackEgo also runs), and www.codu.org just (AFAIK) proxymates the access. < 1396791002 382220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/runs/runs on/ < 1396791046 27487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1396791220 363168 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396791230 506698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1396791230 923239 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 061320Z 26007KT 9999 FEW040 SCT070 08/01 Q1007 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 36002KT < 1396791256 225987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1396791256 429496 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Obstruction" to "Clustering" < 1396791543 826333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sorry about you getting caught in the spam filter, that's probably the first false positive in the modern era of spam filtering < 1396791560 679661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(graue's spam filter blocked "span" and "div", that was hilarious…) < 1396791568 864557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(…in that it lead to some interesting workarounds) < 1396791586 729335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we had span and div _templates_ instead < 1396791634 419255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took some silly workarounds to make _those_ without triggering the filter in the process. < 1396791660 706390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a spambot somehow managed to make a page whose URL triggered the spam filter if it appeared in the Referer header < 1396791672 716056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that < 1396791691 590221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that deleting a page is a POST request, that took a bunch of confusion before I told my browser to turn referers off on Esolang < 1396791907 370155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there isn't that much spam nowadays, there have been no new filter catches since fizzie fixed the logging. well, unless it broke again i guess. < 1396791937 309142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a thought: fizzie's server is a different physical server from elliott's, right? < 1396791942 899371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably it has a different IP < 1396791947 801488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the spambots don't use DNS < 1396791949 430620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's Gregor's < 1396791966 168344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IPv4 space is easier to bruteforce than the domain name space… < 1396791991 27503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um how can they post to a webserver without knowing the hostname? < 1396792005 883501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose some might allow it... < 1396792018 491707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :webservers often have a default hostname < 1396792022 402732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org did not. < 1396792026 531933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, solidity did not < 1396792028 478399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396792036 997469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the new esolangs.org does not, either. < 1396792067 340159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the "default" server, the one it hits without a esolangs.org Host: header, is the www2.codu.org one, where there's just the hg browser and nothing else.) < 1396792155 716788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now imagines interlinking the wiki and HackEgo
< 1396792221 986323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like HackEgo to post all recent changes on-channel?-) < 1396792227 328190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MediaWiki has some features for that.) < 1396792232 961779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1396792250 716777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting < 1396792280 47426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, they're not for IRC in particular, but it has some general mechanisms for getting change notifications out.) < 1396792319 174355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think they were originally for IRC < 1396792329 255192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, IRC's the recommended official way to get a stream of all changes to Wikipedia < 1396792331 692934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need one for some reason < 1396792407 74121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tried to set that up once. < 1396792417 20790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are pre-built bridges from the UDP thing to IRC. < 1396792429 513417 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds a bit spammy, but maybe it's not too bad < 1396792924 269020 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396793015 402637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: There aren't typically very many changes/day, so there's at least that. < 1396793374 502618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the other hand, it's kind of a silly idea, and we all know how serious and, for want of a better word, reserved, this channel is.) < 1396793433 326385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear hear < 1396793471 896575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1396793472 143902 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1396793495 310678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your opinion on the meat shortage? < 1396793496 283151 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact, this would result in a conclusion that is perceived as a lame duck in the community institutions the council, to the framework of agenda 2000 but also to the rights associated with citizenship, which must be understood in every country, probably loses more from the commission was behind the policy choices now about what we are discussing this morning because these are very important. < 1396793530 280011 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396793552 232012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that certainly clears it up. < 1396793617 895913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot the "excuse me"
< 1396793920 380751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How come you didn't address the channel as "Mr. President"? < 1396793921 414599 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the emperor is not wearing any clothes. these organisations are often under threat, at a revised directive for the duty of care for all those who have battled very fnord against the dual use of the most important details are dealt with objectively and impartially so that all of that here, hardly anybody, or rather on public access to documents which, due to the lack of backbone of the < 1396794096 201658 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your foreign policy on the Existence of Canada? < 1396794096 624509 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: madam president, i have tried to impose its legal point of view to match the objectives and procedures agreed upon by the commission on this issue. the commission can accept the first part of the amendment of directive 90/ 220/ eec, according to the united states < 1396794456 532949 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you're getting annexed. < 1396794552 471004 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are your thoughts concerning the situation in Crimea? < 1396794553 690 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: madam president, commissioner, the copenhagen facility, money is given to improving transparency and a closer relationship with the applicant countries on this day that franz fnord fnord was murdered, together with a series of dictates issued from brussels as to what is being done, and i very much welcome an extension of the single market < 1396794634 396159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that almost seems relevant < 1396794706 479586 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry fungot, I can't let you do that < 1396794707 27462 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr prodi, i ask the president-in-office of the council! we should note that the report only covers areas over which there is discussion everywhere the usa cannot achieve this itself. perhaps with that background it is totally wrong. as far as the framework is concerned. < 1396794798 853583 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly hope "money is given to improving transparency" is a synthesis < 1396794808 823909 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Regarding the es hypothesis, #selinux says in its /topic that the swedish linux channel is #linux.se .) < 1396794841 426152 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, franz ferdinord < 1396794860 465621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: haha, that's also brilliant < 1396794876 766263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a joke, or does it come up often enough that they felt it was required? < 1396794995 337078 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know. < 1396795076 999244 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does someone know a good way to pipe /list into grep? < 1396795135 476001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hack together something involving netcat, nobuffer, and tee, I guess < 1396795148 996649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the nobuffer is required, it often is, though < 1396795248 666762 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck nobuffer < 1396795249 93256 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1396795272 82733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's something I wrote, but I'm sure loads of other people wrote it too < 1396795304 54227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically just adds LD_PRELOAD hooks to get stdio to stop buffering, you inject it into programs that use default stdio buffering in cases where that's unacceptable for what you're doing < 1396795323 324331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it does /that/ by hooking fopen and friends to call setvbuf and turn buffering off) < 1396795342 482801 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that do more that stdbuf? < 1396795354 337355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1396795441 231860 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stdbuf < 1396795441 779435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdbuf: missing operand \ Try `stdbuf --help' for more information. < 1396795456 853438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stdbuf --help < 1396795457 269301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: stdbuf OPTION... COMMAND \ Run COMMAND, with modified buffering operations for its standard streams. \ \ Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. \ -i, --input=MODE adjust standard input stream buffering \ -o, --output=MODE adjust standard output stream buffering \ -e, --error=MODE adjust standard < 1396795467 8423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat, it even has a standard name < 1396795477 552539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is installed here too < 1396795486 300233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I needn't have written nobuffer after all :-) < 1396795486 503444 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdbuf is in coreutils. < 1396795501 445 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it only sets fd buffering, though, not stdio. < 1396795518 74147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Note that the Spanish Oteric channel is #oteric.es | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1396795560 35053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no, it sets stdio buffering < 1396795563 863673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fds don't /have/ buffering < 1396795588 913084 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. “stdbuf --help”'s French translation is only halfway done, with random sentences in English. < 1396795627 135295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BUGS: On GLIBC platforms, specifying a buffer size, i.e. using fully buffered mode will result in undefined operation." < 1396795634 163221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdbuf's info page states that it doesn't work with tee, because tee changes buffering itself < 1396795639 690521 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, stdbuf truly is just nobuffer. < 1396795641 653954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you don't need a nobuffer with tee < 1396795995 687003 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other lesser-known coreutils is ptx, which can be used to make a search engine. < 1396796096 463660 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is that mysterious utility... < 1396796096 742459 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, as we have always been a broad measure of agreement between the european union to take the results of the brussels 2 convention, but also with their quality. < 1396796103 523622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ptx confuses me a lot < 1396796114 707078 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ptx puzzles me a lot. < 1396796115 114746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I can't figure out what it's meant to do even after reading the info page < 1396796128 188428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it creates a permuted index < 1396796129 951494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is that? < 1396796162 886224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Like an index, but all over the place < 1396796186 342021 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out what it was by running it on a file. < 1396796284 758648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean to say you ran a program without knowing what it did? < 1396796292 596297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it comes from coreutils, that seems a little risky < 1396796326 359658 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual clearly says that it reads input files and produces some kind of output < 1396796347 259484 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It creates a strangely-formatted index of the input.) < 1396796403 28872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder who maintains the coreutils Info file < 1396796414 68187 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is decorative. I ran it on a DCSS morgue file. lots of zombies! < 1396796417 786547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't Ulrich Drepper, it may be worth working out what the program does and then sending a patch < 1396796466 612472 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396796562 573515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe (and hope) that Drepper does not maintain anything in coreutils. < 1396796608 484367 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Ulrich Drepper and why does that name look vaguely familiar? < 1396796671 353075 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: from gnulibc, “with Ulrich Drepper[4] as the lead contributor and maintainer.” < 1396796681 632101 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nu// < 1396796722 489884 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1396796733 782133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that [4] looks ominous < 1396796815 431762 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is ominous. it is the Number Four of Death! < 1396796905 383887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drepper no longer maintains glibc < 1396796913 658659 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it occurs to me that people here might know: Are there any other -l puns other than libiberty and libowfat? < 1396796913 861929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was fired or whatever < 1396796931 824269 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drepper is a very clever programmer and maintainer who often gets frustrated because many others are not as clever as he is. < 1396796948 734063 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect -loobs is a reverse pun. < 1396797064 803467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that there are, but can't think of any offhand < 1396797088 250244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count libraries that happen to make real words by coincidence, such as libick < 1396797104 241913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate libick.a | wc -l < 1396797105 814707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 < 1396797111 413980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I have a lot of compiled versions of INTERCAL < 1396797140 331258 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396797159 101761 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have pron stashes on their machines. other collect intercal compilers... < 1396797193 476165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is in a backup of my account on a SunOS workstation < 1396797203 747822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the account probably doesn't still exist, but who knows, it might < 1396797221 860729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have physical nor network access to the computer in question, so no way to tell < 1396797306 482896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's handy, I didn't know about timeout(1) < 1396797314 573294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine very few people my age have ever had the experience of accidentally writing programs that aren't portable to Unices other than SunOS < 1396797345 929789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some platforms don't curently support timeouts beyond 2038" < 1396797356 542141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y2038K bugs are annoying < 1396797373 441325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another 23 years, maybe there'll be a huge panic and I'll be called in to help out with the cleanup effort < 1396797382 621268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the world will end because people became complacent after Y2K < 1396797392 460349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Y2K38 < 1396797605 995474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the world ended in 2012 < 1396797621 750271 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need 2012 the game (a spin-off of 2048) < 1396797623 7441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that theory was conclusively disproved in 2013 < 1396797647 12852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not conclusively < 1396797655 278116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: easy, it's identical to 2048, except your goal is to make 2012 (via integer overflow, obviously) < 1396797666 350277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... how do you know that 2012 doesn't exist anymore? < 1396797703 440377 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or modulo 2012, which would be a bit more interesting < 1396797720 61358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sdate date < 1396797720 541362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sdate: not found < 1396797733 644495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, what sort of self-respecting server doesn't have sdate? < 1396797761 837601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so you combine two 1024s to create a 36 < 1396797768 483932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1396797827 444758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what 1024 has to do with 36 < 1396797851 213620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1024 + 1024) % 2012 == 36, right? < 1396797878 529701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the integer overflow joke is that you can't integer overflow in 2048 because there's not enough room on the board, and if you could, you'd get 0 < 1396797879 795336 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant more the thing where time coexists < 1396797901 163210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I pinged the wrong person < 1396797902 892651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ^ < 1396797948 985295 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah, 36. I'm actively destroying your joke :p < 1396797978 787980 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is modulo 2012, the eventual goal would be to make 2012 modulo 2012, aka 0. < 1396797980 140576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's modulo 2012, you can never get 2012 exactly, best you can get is 0 which is equivaent < 1396797990 204283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't enough room to make 0 module 2012 either, though < 1396798038 799552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheezy has: libace libarch libass libast libawl libax libemma libend libib libice libid libint libion liboath libobby libode liboop liboping liboss libots libow libowfat libs libust, though most of them are probably unintended. < 1396798158 334899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in a default install? < 1396798177 853876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking the repos would be even better, as in more false positives < 1396798320 934096 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only libass it seems, satisfying that criteria < 1396798351 752783 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://man.cat-v.org/unix-1st/1/sdate ? < 1396798370 454536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: no < 1396798386 401575 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /lib/lib*.so /usr/lib/lib*.so | sed 's:(/usr)?/lib/lib:l:; s:\.so$::' | sort | comm -12 - /usr/share/dict/words < 1396798387 100355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /lib/lib*.so: No such file or directory \ comm: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory < 1396798389 169094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also UNIX first edition predates september 1993 < 1396798397 353633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sdate date < 1396798397 554989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Sep 7523 16:33:03 BST 1993 < 1396798404 24498 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396798412 434647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/share/dict < 1396798412 988241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1396798413 192377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523! < 1396798424 480736 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PERMUTATIONALISED CHICKEN < 1396798426 302735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39225&oldid=39224 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-59) 10I removed a test, but it keeps happening. < 1396798427 520141 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396798429 237824 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate < 1396798429 687155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Sweetmorn, the 23rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 < 1396798490 293734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdate is a great way to confuse random program < 1396798493 581534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1396798504 908265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite common for programs to assume that there can't be more than 31 days in a month < 1396798518 909557 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite reasonable, too < 1396798587 224861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you say that on September 7523? < 1396798610 70761 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396798617 170731 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see what sdate is doing < 1396798621 994465 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as long as one uses gregorian calendar < 1396798646 682708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sdate calendar is much simpler in many ways < 1396798647 398832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I thought the above didn't work at all, because I was all scrolled up in the backscroll. < 1396798830 2361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396799167 688276 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :for l in $(apt-cache search --names-only 'lib.*' | grep -Eo '^lib[aeiou][a-zA-Z]+' | uniq | sed 's/^lib/l/'); do for i in `seq $#l -1 3`; do if ( dict -s exact -d wn -m ${l[1,$i]} >/dev/null 2>&1 ); then echo $l; break; fi; done; done < 1396799203 762743 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the matches are the minimum, 3 letters long. < 1396799411 893559 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396799518 441597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Quite a lot of our university (including a classroom full of UltraSPARC 10 workstations, and both main general-use shell servers) ran on SunOS not more than a decade ago, so I think a lot of our CS students have that experience. < 1396799678 894208 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. My main experience with Solaris is that killall will in fact, kill all. < 1396799731 282921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if I make "test" edits of my user page (e.g. after upgrade, to test that everything still works), is it considered good MediaWiki administrative practice to somehow undo those (if that's even possible) so that they don't clutter up RC or page history? < 1396799795 352943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sdate does some sort of LD_PRELOAD? < 1396799809 864194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pretty much < 1396799862 304142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I suspect it won't break cfunge, I only think I use unix timestamp in that for the DATE fingerprint < 1396799909 611089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, DATE doesn't even have a command to get current date? < 1396799914 383054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for conversion < 1396799915 194274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396799957 928566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, TIME uses localtime/gmtime, so that would be confused < 1396799962 484573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1396800914 382405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, the offline experience of Google Maps Android has gone so downhill. < 1396800916 89082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be so that you had a separate "Offline" tab in "My Places", where you could see a list of what's available offline, and remove/add regions, and when adding you could drag the bounding box what you want to cache. < 1396800920 318620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in this 7.x version, there seems to be no way at all of seeing what is available offline, and adding new regions is done by the most illogical way I have ever heard of: you zoom the map so that what you want to cache offline is visible, and then search for "ok maps". < 1396800924 404959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it flashes briefly something to the tune of "caching map data", but afterwards there seems to be no indication of what exactly it saved. < 1396800961 164984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Incidentally, if I make "test" edits of my user page (e.g. after upgrade, to test that everything still works), is it considered good MediaWiki administrative practice to somehow undo those (if that's even possible) so that they don't clutter up RC or page history? < 1396800963 220093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1396800972 769494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, downgrade if you can, that is what I did < 1396800986 708339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just compare: https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/2650377?hl=en&ref_topic=2649131 https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/3273567?hl=en&ref_topic=3273087 < 1396800998 804867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (re the comment Phantom_Hoover quoted) no, although sometimes it's considered good form to use a page designed for test edits < 1396801010 253207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pages can later have the test edits removed in batch < 1396801027 889509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that reminds me of the old AfD page on Wikipedia < 1396801035 360861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe VfD < 1396801075 547121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it was split into subpages, it had been edited so many times that when an annoyed admin deleted it, it brought the site down because the server couldn't handle deleting that many edits < 1396801093 341894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when it was subsequently undeleted (after the site came back up), it brought the site down again < 1396801120 330286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1396801124 794604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the developers added a limit that you can't delete pages that have been edited 5000 or more times, so some enterprising admin decided to get a bot to edit the Main Page 5000 times in order to stop it being deleted < 1396801140 754108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the developers stopped that at like 3000 because it was creating a bunch of load in of itself < 1396801143 642969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how could it bring the server down if the delete isn't permanent? Isn't it just marking a flag then < 1396801177 994453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would the main page be in risk of being deleted though? < 1396801178 954394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly a flag internally, the edit gets moved to a separate table, and a whole bunch of tables that relate to non-deleted edits get change < 1396801180 583592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*changed < 1396801190 671144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: notifying people the wiki upgraded is prtetty useful, anyway < 1396801193 720571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, the main page used to get deleted quite frequently < 1396801213 123500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? Shouldn't those admins that did it get fired then? < 1396801214 306459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the #1 most common action for disgruntled admins (which is strange, because it doesn't cause a whole lot of damage) < 1396801226 573102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, fired < 1396801230 459559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if MW admins get paid < 1396801231 267537 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s rather visible though. < 1396801238 646118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, obviously they were desysopped, unless they could successfully pass it off as a joke and also a lapse of judgement at the same time < 1396801242 955208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an accident < 1396801247 453423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the equivalent. Stripped of their rank, whatever < 1396801253 53650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has been deleted by accident before now < 1396801261 465669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are a whole bunch of protections in place nowadays < 1396801299 954184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm one of the few people who knows how to delete the Main Page through them, and even then, a) I no longer have the perms; b) with the protections in place, doing so would be rather time-consuming, and there'd be a pretty high chance someone would notice what I was doing and stop me < 1396801344 312629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a bot to help out would make it a bit faster, although testing it would be awkward; if you're going to break the rules to the extent of running an unapproved bot < 1396801352 497692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, to the extent of deleting the main page < 1396801362 934719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably not going to be worried about running an unauthorized bot < 1396801380 528044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing it sounds easy, just run a local test wiki < 1396801432 322569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : before it was split into subpages, it had been edited so many times that when an annoyed admin deleted it, it brought the site down because the server couldn't handle deleting that many edits < 1396801442 211723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't 'the annoyed admin' ed poor? < 1396801456 138412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don't_delete_the_main_page it's protected in the mediawiki software nowadays < 1396801461 934913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, I don't typically remember the names of specific disgruntled admins < 1396801463 874430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, I know < 1396801502 83087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why very few people would be able to delete it, you'd need a knowledge of how the software works in addition to a knowledge of the redundant protections on enwiki in particular < 1396801514 574251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for all I know, they may have added more since I stopped actively adminning Wikpedia < 1396801652 883501 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amused that Wikipedia:Don't delete the main page has the shortcut WP:IDIOT .
< 1396801706 331993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those shortcuts are incredibly cheap to create < 1396801717 717084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make one right now if you felt like it, and given that they're rather more expensive to delete < 1396801726 644840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's remotely plausible people would probably just let it stay < 1396801765 145471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are lots of them on en.wikipedia: the very long page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:B_jonas/Pages_with_shortcuts lists many of them < 1396801795 984323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it only lists ones where the target page has a template marking the shortcut < 1396801796 827070 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia:Village stocks apparently has WP:AAAARGH < 1396801810 456324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are lots more where the target page isn't marked < 1396801852 684956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are shortcuts like P:P -- guess where that goes < 1396801875 343437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P:N < 1396801888 93890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P: is Portal:, I guess < 1396801890 472114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :P:M wasn't Microsoft... < 1396801892 286844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's P:Z < 1396801897 504840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are numerous portals that could start with P < 1396802066 355221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most of them actually do start with P < 1396802116 549640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/most/? < 1396802117 682873 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“WP:Oh I say, what are you doing? Come down from there at once! Really, you're making a frightful exhibition of yourself.” < 1396802206 386208 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The target's title doesn't make *much* more sense < 1396802252 783704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I remember that page being created < 1396802259 348743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the context, but ISTR it was necessary < 1396802575 867175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that redirect to the reichstag page < 1396802679 703184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396803256 639855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I forget the context, but ISTR it was necessary <-- what? Why? < 1396803265 765066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I forget < 1396803278 945522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind just boggles at the idea such a page could be *required* < 1396803290 841328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, people were taking something too seriously, and it was causing problems < 1396803298 712533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1396803300 111848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396803349 965521 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396803386 85548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were also people who didn't understand WP:POINT < 1396803941 867533 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P:X < 1396804162 411077 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :P:Q seems to be free < 1396804486 942627 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that’s just an x. < 1396805054 390439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396805055 794301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q-revercoin holdecoin quiseporacoin glypecoin usaumcoin rfollocoin baggedcoin temparncoin l3841coin zowcoin braincoin :coin redgrecoin mempaicoin raintfcoin petrocoin sellcoin thumorecoin toicoin condicoin < 1396805114 332467 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396805115 800588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhotorcoin nconveccoin gracoin smycelcoin kayakcoin bythessenhohcoin dobbocoin brbcoin devercoin rnarycoin memmentcoin sedcoin sorccoin overspidcoin bhacoin convecorritcoin migoritaffcoin objectdrumcoin tbfcoin huntedlyearandeltcoin < 1396805124 283577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1396805124 837316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' < 1396805130 299890 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396805331 744276 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396806112 255991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, someone was just querying for "DrIvErcAzo.esOLaNGs.oRg" (with that capitalization) when I was debugging a (non-esolangs) DNS thing and looking at tcpdump. < 1396806127 544752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoiler: there is no such host.) < 1396806156 792830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /said/ that brute-forcing the space of all domain names would be harder than brute-forcing IPs :-) < 1396806207 330165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, and now crawl-66-249-66-216.googlebot.com asked for "drivercazo.esolangs.org", in lowercase. Was that in fact something at some point? < 1396806237 196817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four Google hits for the name. < 1396806257 783465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps someone linked to it < 1396806266 962331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that random caps < 1396806272 892801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and googlebot converts to lowercase < 1396806395 403643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of the hits did have curious-looking links; for /stranica/drayver-dlya-netronix-mn01.html and /catalog/drayver-dlya-i7500.html. < 1396806998 243414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Use+of+Mixed+Case+DNS+Queries/12418 < 1396807036 723933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There were more mixed-case queries, so I got curious.) < 1396807091 933763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crafty trick. < 1396807289 524191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IME the logs are always filled with the weirdest things < 1396807316 909956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://twitter.com/zucrowgo/status/184029492237438976 < 1396807320 760773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even looked at the web server log. < 1396809267 99476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: "We have two mugs of tea; one has pictures of geese and one has the MongoDB logo." shachaf: "Oh no, which is the lesser of two evils?" < 1396809869 787255 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geese are evil? < 1396810468 767466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting, that mixed case thing, but I wonder what happens when some DNS server doesn't maintain the case. Surely stuff will break then, and if you allow for that you basically nullified security. < 1396810476 873635 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geese are vicious! < 1396810484 152109 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They bite. < 1396810541 63852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, You can't even reliably keep track of when it worked in the past of course, since the server software could change, or there could be some BGP anycast going on making it resolve to different servers at different points in time < 1396810548 626849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably works most of the time, but still... < 1396810596 766202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page you linked even said "almost all" hm < 1396810679 623223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFC says "all". < 1396810687 145909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though of course that's just an empirical observation. < 1396810701 431258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only find a draft RFC for it < 1396810713 97291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The draft is what I meant. < 1396810713 294955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 2008 < 1396810728 458965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite a long time for it just to sit around as a draft isn't ut? < 1396810731 137061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1396810793 523691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long enough that it has expired, yes. < 1396810800 731006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1396810819 641056 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396810831 238247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The validity period is six months.) < 1396810834 401795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I use unbound locally, I could probably turn it on < 1396810910 2571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expired draft does mention "a small set of rare and/or private label authoritative DNS implementations" that do lowercase names. < 1396810944 470377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1396811012 785329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geese don't have moral agency so I guess they can't be evil < 1396811017 50220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are vicious, though < 1396811019 723226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swans are worse though < 1396811026 519560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swans will break your arm < 1396811028 742829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, are you sure they don't? < 1396811035 164655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also fight to the death over territory < 1396811049 938281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which upsets people who want swans to be peaceful symbols of love < 1396811059 458612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pigeons are a much better peaceful symbol of love < 1396811067 433836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably finally get DNSSEC on for zem.fi one of these days; it's just that IIRC, the free secondary-DNS service I've been using doesn't grok the records. < 1396811070 858639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kind of shabby that none of them do TSIG for zone transfers, either.) < 1396811077 470643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time a flock of geese chased douglass_ and me down a hill and almost into the Charles River Basin < 1396811121 489277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that time when I was in the middle of a flock of geese, the ones behind me were trying to force me forwards in order to disturb the ones ahead of me < 1396811130 830935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them actually attacked but it was pretty scary < 1396811142 710166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> lunch
< 1396811146 249847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, pigeons? Peace? Really? When I hear pigeon I think of all the issues they cause in cities < 1396811159 371208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did I ever give you alan dipert's email? in case there's ever any domain stuff with esolangs.org < 1396811164 992867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is a symbol of love, given how many there are < 1396811178 25453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I have it, no. < 1396811178 559990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you missed out the article :-( < 1396811179 959643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when people like them they usually call them "doves" instead of "pigeons", but the terms are basically interchangeable < 1396811198 877170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, alan@dipert.org then < 1396811210 993408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you've said it, it actually sounds familiar. < 1396811215 750815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, and I see right through that nomenclature and still dislike them :P < 1396811227 827482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although googling suggests adipert@acm.org?? < 1396811239 103514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the alan dipert" was the usual terminology, IIRC < 1396811253 977085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alan@dipert.org is the one I received emails from and sent to. < 1396811270 943062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're different people? < 1396811285 562876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of free secondary DNS, what do you use for that? < 1396811375 559877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are not. < 1396811384 808872 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396811414 472932 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, IIRC pigeons supposedly don’t taste too bad if they haven’t been eating trash. < 1396811417 921351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, been looking for one myself < 1396811443 843095 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396811481 760712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use twisted4life.com at the moment, but it's kind of clunky. And their server is in Malaysia somewhere, which I guess is good for redundancy, but it's quite slow from many places. Earlier, I've used afraid.org and xname.org. And there's buddyns.com and dns.he.net I've heard of. < 1396811515 402528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what about more than 2 DNS server? Couldn't you use several. < 1396811533 13452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it's even more of a hassle. < 1396811538 33316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1396811551 344486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those come with more than one server, anyway. < 1396811554 296130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume the he.net one is quite reputable < 1396811592 67111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about it, since I already have their IPv6 pipe and all, but they don't have DNSSEC support yet either. (Not sure if that just means for their primary DNS side, though.) < 1396811684 252335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of those you mentioned seems to support DNSSEC, at least they are not listing it < 1396811722 159903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall afraid.org had something. < 1396811747 793296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their FAQ doesn't say anything about it, though. < 1396811947 56002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1396812055 145542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there's https://acc.rollernet.us/help/dns/secondary.php that I know of that's explicitly DNSSEC-compatible and free.) < 1396812081 158302 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396812215 631265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://forums.he.net/index.php?topic=3139.0 "still some hurdles" < 1396812294 487379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I use https://puck.nether.net/dns/ and http://freedns.afraid.org/secondary/ < 1396812307 990999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: http://www.frankb.us/dns/ < 1396812324 506749 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones i’m using support DNSSEC. < 1396812572 134455 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@72-161-15-177.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396813188 795891 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396813320 954078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, hm nice < 1396813389 984010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh I just got SMS spam, that was new < 1396813499 732747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess CM doesn't have a block list, oh well < 1396813742 183597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, based on that link ion posted, I guess afraid is good < 1396813749 730099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do ipv6 apparently < 1396814187 983865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, elliott, ion: What is a good VPS provider? I want to do my own domain, web server and mail server basically. < 1396814201 401376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably priced < 1396814353 621908 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m afraid i don’t know, i haven’t been looking for a VPS. < 1396814546 382723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running zem.fi on Tilaa, and I think it's good. < 1396814577 952521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That really-cheap-dedicated-server link someone posted was rather intriguing, too.) < 1396814597 945612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's "Tilaa" as in tilaa.nl.) < 1396814632 238753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That redirects to tilaa.com < 1396814654 888449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I wouldn't want to deal with the crap that a dedicated server means < 1396814676 351963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Tilaa uses xen I guess? < 1396814785 980771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess .com is their primary domain, then. < 1396814789 316052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it's a Xen shop. < 1396814791 168394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396814804 575473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what a reasonable price is here though < 1396814855 652445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess they allow mail? And I presume irc too? < 1396814865 151518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in bouncer, not server) < 1396814872 671163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compare prices with some "mainstream" providers, like Linode or a reserved Amazon EC2 instance. < 1396814877 920111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396814941 45286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think Tilaa has any restrictions except some generic "must follow local (Dutch) law" clause. < 1396814946 367765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And something about the bandwidth. < 1396814991 634224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says network traffic is unlimted/free on the configurator at least < 1396815008 552716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there is some clause about null routing in case of DDoS or similar though < 1396815042 514717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- not allowed to run services that continuously use full capacity, like public software mirrors, BitTorrent seeding or web crawling/indexing --" in the "knowledge base". < 1396815047 253732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather vaguely worded, but oh well. < 1396815056 502384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well okay, that seems kind of reasonable < 1396815090 86345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other places where you pay for anything above some fixed number, which is arguably at least more consistent. < 1396815099 486653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a "reserved" EC2 mean btw? < 1396815160 771256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also EC2 pricing is convoluted < 1396815179 505954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have "on-demand" instances where you pay per hour whenever the server is online, and "reserved" instances where you make a single payment, and then get a discounted hourly rate. < 1396815202 233381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought reserved instances had some monthly price, but apparently it's an upfront cost nowadays. May have changed, of course.) < 1396815202 471700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I seem to remember reading about EC2 blocking outgoing SMTP < 1396815268 462560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I can't be bothered to dig through that pricing model < 1396815287 571694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's kind of convoluted. Separate prices for data transfer and storage and all that. < 1396815297 417607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for Linode you should be able to find a single number. < 1396815313 801186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it seems generally a bit more expensive than Tilaa < 1396815384 255795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used prgmr before Tilaa (like I guess I've mentioned), and I don't have anything really to complain there either, except for some lag for interactive use (but I doubt they can do much about the speed of light). It's a bit less "commercial-looking" than Tilaa. < 1396815492 657820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so far Tilaa seems to offer the most bang for the buck < 1396815532 581771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why does prgmr list Debian 6.0.3 as an option they will install, but not Debian 7? Debian 6 is *oldstable* < 1396815555 452054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not impressed by that in the least < 1396815736 932556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, EC2 is only 99.95% uptime? I expected more from them < 1396815892 702259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a few extremely cheap places selling OpenVZ and the like, if you want to go that way. < 1396815900 743826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell no < 1396815910 863348 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that is sneaky, Tilaa excludes "external factors" "such as" "DDoS attacks" < 1396815922 983571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the uptime guarantee < 1396815938 834691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you said Tilaa used xen right? < 1396815953 694311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway why would places using openvz be cheaper < 1396815987 716305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because you don't need to dedicate RAM for your guests then. < 1396816002 446494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to oversell. < 1396816083 173808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396816152 354779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah Tilaa's uptime guarnatee is kind of shitty, seems good otherwise though < 1396816254 883631 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1396816326 140707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which distro did you go for on Tilaa btw? < 1396816340 435871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just out of interest < 1396816346 97637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian. < 1396816349 952099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396816406 27012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, their SLA is kind of funny; I guess it only includes their own mistakes and nothing else, since their own planned maintenance as well as acts of unspecified "third parties" are all excluded. < 1396816418 490393 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396816473 375396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of Tilaa? I know you're not exactly running there, but you've been speaking via them for no particular reason except convenience and vanity. < 1396816474 750554 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: madam president, mr mauro used an example. finally, mr marset campos: we hope that the process in november with the formal presentation of the euro and in view of the fact that the president of the commission, and we will also have to work with you to intervene to stop uncontrolled and illegal immigration on public opinion and the draft joint action as amended, i would ask for the commission and in the draft resolution < 1396816621 2887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not run it on tilaa? < 1396816625 741512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Model files too large? < 1396816754 865887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's a bit late, but "money is given to improving transparency" is indeed a synthesis. (From "In connection with global loans, that is, the Copenhagen facility, money is given to banks which then issue the loans." and "-- priority should be given to improving transparency and a clear demarcation of powers between the European Union and the Member States.") < 1396816800 107031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, they're slightly large. But there's no really strong reason why not, except laziness. < 1396816819 634725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how large are they, combined? < 1396816825 82121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chroot jail for fungot is 646M. < 1396816825 321405 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, the report proposes to introduce competition in air transport services entails risks which have been declared adopted and i do it willingly. madam president, i am fully behind the support which the european parliament. < 1396816842 846418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, that is just program, interpreter and model? < 1396816866 151235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the interpreter + libraries would account for a couple of megabytes at most < 1396816871 230281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's not even that, since I kludged in cfunge the "chroot at startup" feature. < 1396816890 683105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only the Funge-98 sources and data. < 1396816930 455884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey, you should send a patch upstream ;P < 1396816949 920129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently some DNS resolver support files, though I don't think those are used for anything at the moment. < 1396816950 706398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I would be using an umlbox like what HackEgo uses < 1396816964 890678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An umlbox might be nice too. < 1396816975 985787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be out of question on a VPS though? < 1396816989 895150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess since it is xen, you could do it... < 1396816990 193111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo runs on a VPS, so I don't see why not. < 1396816997 201255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1396817010 333203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's just a process almost just like any other. < 1396817046 223458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it used special stuff from the kernel < 1396817048 669890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not < 1396817054 234053 :maurer_!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817079 117598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of a performance thing. < 1396817082 411399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the details. < 1396817092 936976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen is "just" like having your own machine. < 1396817095 993685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the ways in which it's not. < 1396817108 632555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as you couldn't do hw virutalization inside it yeah < 1396817133 549786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML had the "Skas mode" that needed a patch, but I can't remember if that got replaced by something newer. < 1396817196 229834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cfunge process has a RSS of 6988k and a VSZ of 27592k, so I guess it would fit okayish even on my so-small-they-no-longer-sell-it 256M RAM Tilaa instance. < 1396817255 640561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, what does it cost you? < 1396817272 110142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I forget what VSZ is < 1396817282 175530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address space cost, I think. < 1396817284 903348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 4.77 EUR/month, IIRC. < 1396817298 19840 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817299 923535 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817300 430220 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817302 970009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817303 392597 :itsy!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817304 104398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817311 103175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's including VAT; the prices quoted on their page were, at least before, excluding it.) < 1396817314 553097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Oh, so cheaper than any available option, < 1396817324 127363 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817345 684559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But it's also "only" 6 gigs of disk, too. < 1396817362 140482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a implementation of a "CREATE FUNCTION" command on SQL. < 1396817372 597874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1396817383 320763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, make that 10 gigs, apparently. Huh. I was sure it was six. < 1396817387 935784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, if that server supports this SQL extensions or not. < 1396817514 40584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1396817514 703448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1396817525 834366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite new. < 1396817649 529177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are not going to store any movies and/or pornography, then probably 6 GB is sufficient. < 1396817670 570662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817687 86777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit few also for things like photos. < 1396817732 659487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our collection of vacation photos shared with family and friends seems to be 21G at the moment. < 1396817741 968746 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817799 33748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817995 697014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, UML documentation is so fragmentary and (in many places) old. The HOWTO in Documentation/ of the kernel sources is from 2002, the sf.net page at http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ has just links to "The UML Wiki" with an "It works!" default page in it and "The Old UML Site", and so on. < 1396818074 967873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2006/09/13/user-mode-linux-and-skas0/ well, that's not new either, but I think that's the "skas mode with no patched kernel on the host" thing I thought existed. < 1396818100 257932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't think there are skas3 patches for anything newer than 2.6.x. < 1396818204 717020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396818304 195100 :iano!~iano@c-24-21-198-217.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396818326 113458 :iano!~iano@c-24-21-198-217.hsd1.or.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1396819485 170745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, I added AVR in that quiz. < 1396819675 40195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh, which variant of AVR is that < 1396819681 175064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coded for the ATMega128 iirc < 1396819802 143958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it likes giving me the fake opcode "BR" a /lot/ < 1396819806 165203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it 3 times in a row < 1396819836 829030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess the instruction set is too small? < 1396819846 991783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "grep AVR_INSN avr.h | cut -c 11- | sed -e 's/,.*//' | sort | uniq". And it is quite small, yes. < 1396819896 578582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I got 89% at best < 1396819906 551655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :More commonly around 85% < 1396819929 504842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aZaF it does seem quite fond of "br". < 1396819946 323341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a "uniq -c" on 100 generated opcodes.) < 1396819972 659541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a shorter model order might've been better for this. < 1396820038 171058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396822117 742465 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396822783 321611 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396823174 763421 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396823975 152250 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396824162 301741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtristan: NULL values in columns take up one byte of disk space each, I think. < 1396824170 294514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1396824279 864679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: counterpoint: pigeons are awesome, screw you < 1396824290 171929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pigeons have made a nest behind a plastic fake owl at my house <3 < 1396824300 710710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind meant to keep birds away < 1396824369 755718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigeons are not my favourite bird < 1396824388 341709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your favourite bird < 1396824403 831478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't seem to have been made to the same scale as any of the other birds that appear in my garden < 1396824413 225328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I dunno, the blackbird, maybe? < 1396824424 712998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Universal Machine14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39226 5* 03EzoLang 5* (+102) 10Possible duplicate < 1396824424 903887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a coal tit? < 1396824433 975643 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on that's new < 1396824458 196429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did HackEgo start doing that < 1396824477 536407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this morning, maybe < 1396824493 941749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1396824502 61902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song of the Australian Magpie is other-worldly < 1396824610 351620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: EzoLang seems to have a point < 1396824658 91619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how about seagulls < 1396824661 830446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seagulls are good < 1396824667 131404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example i'm the best < 1396824668 345090 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396824684 864561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the seagulls around here feel out of place < 1396824687 481518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes seagulls. better than crows, anyhow.
< 1396824692 656273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 25 miles from the coast < 1396824697 283330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i heard that seagulls have a bad reputation in norway < 1396824786 242333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well people don't like to have them too close, all the time. < 1396824795 713960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a bad reputation here < 1396824798 53257 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigeons too < 1396824800 54703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're noisy and vindictive during breeding season < 1396824828 511243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the geese at my uni are notorious < 1396824837 32268 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396824949 278212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much geese in trondheim that i know of, we see them flying in their V formation during migration < 1396825004 262163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however somehow the noise of seagulls doesn't grate on me the same way crows do. < 1396825050 645206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans also tend to be noisy and vindictive during breeding season, which is all of the time. < 1396825776 827886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up getting chased by one of the geese at warwick < 1396825791 618007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was admittedly after i'd followed it around for a bit until it walked into a corner < 1396825830 49080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never corner a goose < 1396825831 532328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rookie mistake < 1396825870 314335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how does it feel going to an inferior university in the all-important metric of duck to student ratio? < 1396825870 830061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortly after that i realised i was no longer following the goose; the goose was following me < 1396825883 854007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, terrible < 1396825907 784127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was a guy who got kicked out for, amongst other things, chasing a swan about the place last year < 1396825930 800788 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tried to sell a swan to someone I know < 1396825953 72783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure how they got it that far from the lake < 1396826182 852476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: the play was good < 1396826193 151410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm glad! < 1396826202 441676 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the second day of hac nyc anyway < 1396826209 451280 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that too was pretty good < 1396826241 961837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get me to some of these < 1396826255 691736 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be too hard to do hac yc < 1396826277 241491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just go to zurihac < 1396826283 422151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or bayhac < 1396826288 270561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I really want to but hoooteeel roooooms < 1396826298 562155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I like stay with you in your Zurich apartment < 1396826315 431734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a zurich apartment < 1396826332 991849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't predict my zurischedule < 1396826351 563749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396826557 747868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(British_coin) < 1396826563 946454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how batshit insane this is < 1396826572 980923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one of those I could afford a Zurich apartment! < 1396826581 719172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'let's have a coin worth £1.05!' < 1396827003 808817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you moving to zurich < 1396827026 166813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the near future < 1396827040 972585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the majority of an undergraduate degree to complete < 1396827067 146853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But after that? Who knows! < 1396827071 752913 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go where the wind takes me < 1396827126 912057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just remind you the earth is something like 4/5 ocean hth < 1396827164 764867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people with boats, it's cushty < 1396827171 111828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm 25 miles from the coast < 1396827186 548795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that Taneb is p. wind-resistant < 1396827192 988201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably ok < 1396827195 748995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm 70.8% says this link < 1396827436 556671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live p. close to the uk's pole of inaccessibility < 1396827438 396678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not great < 1396827524 148353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In holiday-time I live near England's pole of inaccessibility from roads < 1396827562 907906 :bigbugkik!~bigbugkik@91.213.220.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396827745 832673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1396827749 150190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did... < 1396827755 163084 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just use the word "cushty" < 1396827869 843905 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396828368 713352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396828395 95313 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396828569 938408 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396828701 351952 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396828778 111809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: new cushtoms