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01:49:26 <zzo38> What is that and why you put too much ^C codes on it?
01:51:27 <Bike> it's wiki updates, of course.
01:53:35 <quintopia> and ^C is the price you pay for not having colors in your client. you chose your road, now you pay the piper
01:59:43 <zzo38> I do have colors on my computer
02:00:13 <zzo38> And it still has too much regardless of that or not.
02:02:03 <quintopia> nah it's fine. the colors look nice.
02:02:58 <zzo38> Yes, at least is less than `relcome has.
02:05:54 <zzo38> I found a example code to make up a custom aggregate function in PostgreSQL. It looks like terrible to me! The syntax I implemented is clearly better (at least to me, it is). The PostgreSQL code is: CREATE FUNCTION append_id(TEXT, INTEGER) RETURNS TEXT AS ' SELECT CASE WHEN $2 = 0 THEN $1 ELSE $1 || '' '' || CAST($2 AS TEXT) END;' LANGUAGE 'sql' WITH (ISCACHABLE, ISSTRICT); CREATE AGGREGATE id_list ( SFUNC = append_id, BASETYPE = INTEGER, S
02:05:59 <zzo38> Would you call it terrible?
02:08:08 <quintopia> yes. but then all sql languages are terrible
02:09:49 <zzo38> I think SQLite is better. It doesn't have any CREATE FUNCTION built-in but I added one.
02:11:36 <zzo38> Is this way better? CREATE FUNCTION ID_LIST(X) ACCUMULATING(R = NULL SET TO COALESCE(R || ' ' || X,X)) AS COALESCE(R,'');
02:12:20 <zzo38> (You don't need it anyways, since SQLite has a "group_concat" function built-in which does this, but it is to demonstrate the example.)
02:13:01 <zzo38> quintopia: Why do you think SQL is terrible?
02:14:19 <quintopia> zzo38: it doesn't feel like programming. if you want to have a point-free query scheme for manipulating data, why not use a dataflow/concatenative language?
02:15:01 <quintopia> not anymore. but that only makes it worse.
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02:15:20 <zzo38> quintopia: SQL looks fine to do such thing, to me. At least SQLite is; procedural SQL and that stuff tends to be more terrible.
02:17:54 <quintopia> i also think bash looks ugly. perhaps that is influencing my judgment...
02:24:08 <zzo38> It seems my syntax may not be suitable for some kinds of aggregate functions though; for that it may be useful to define an alternate syntax, which puts all input records in one temporary table which is accessed by the expression after "AS". For example, it might help if you want to calculate the median of a data set.
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02:30:50 <Sgeo> <3 foobar2000's gapless playback
02:32:47 <Sgeo> "I don't like most of the music on Magnatune.com..... but you might"
02:33:08 <elliott> you know even iTunes has done gapless playback for years now, right?
02:33:22 <Sgeo> I never used iTunes
02:33:35 <pikhq> Heck, Winamp did it way back in the day.
02:34:03 <Sgeo> I've used WinAmp... maybe I haven't used it with albums that need gapless playback (Ridin' the Faders and one particular Enya album)
02:34:44 <pikhq> Admittedly, all gapless playback fails horribly if done with not-well-encoded MP3 files.
02:35:05 <Sgeo> Incidentally, Magnatune butchered Ridin' the Faders when it started inserting ads
02:35:46 <pikhq> (MP3 files will have a bit of silence in them for padding)
02:36:59 <kmc> i hear winamp really whupps the llama's ass
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02:50:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Cyclic tag system]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39228&oldid=39187 * Quintopia * (+1808) Undo revision 39187 by [[Special:Contributions/Oerjan|Oerjan]] ([[User talk:Oerjan|talk]]) (were you asleep when you did this?)
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03:17:05 <zzo38> Did you read my latest Dungeons&Dragons recording that I typed yesterday?
03:28:51 <Sgeo> Ugh, whenever I buy cup noodles, I go through a cycle of thinking that the 7-eleven clerk might think I'm poor, then feeling guilty about the previous thought
03:29:27 <Bike> just buy them in industrial quantities from the manufacturer
03:29:52 <pikhq> Sgeo: It is highly unlikely the clerk even particularly cares.
03:30:09 <pikhq> Also, cup noodles are an indicator of either poverty *or laziness*.
03:30:16 <zzo38> I would think the clerk wouldn't (and shouldn't) care.
03:30:28 <Sgeo> Also, I usually end up asking if I can use their hot water
03:30:54 <pikhq> But yeah. You are generally a very uninteresting part of their day.
03:33:55 <Sgeo> Ok. I have had an awesome song on my computer since 2005, carried with me through a variety of systems, and I haven't heard it until now
03:33:58 <Sgeo> At all, that I remember
03:34:03 <Sgeo> I might not have remembered
03:34:04 <zzo38> Even if they do think of such thing, probably they don't care, and it wouldn't affect you, anyways.
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04:15:36 <Sgeo> I need a better way to indicate which pieces of music are my favorites
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04:16:11 <Sgeo> In the past, I've used KDE ... marker things (or maybe GNOME marker things), Windows shortcuts, and literally copy/pasting the file so that I get "Copy of ..."
04:16:21 <Sgeo> Only the last one survived to this day
04:17:52 <Sgeo> I would question whether that would actually have survived to the present, but apparently I have last modified dates that have survived from 2005
04:25:39 <Bike> http://archive.wired.com/robots.txt huh.
04:29:47 <zzo38> Move (or delete) the music you don't like.
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05:02:30 <fizzie> zzo38: The too many ^C codes are part of stock MediaWiki; they're from the IRCColourfulRCFeedFormatter of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds and there's no IRCColourlessRCFeedFormatter available. (Though I could have stripped the color codes off myself, I guess.)
05:25:57 <zzo38> Why didn't you just modify it?
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06:13:58 <fizzie> I saw no particular reason to, for the channel of `relcome and all.
06:17:50 <fizzie> Curious; the latest few recent changes have not been announced.
06:17:57 <fizzie> Didn't think it was *that* brittle.
06:19:39 <fizzie> Broken down it has, indeed. Strange. Even though the bridge bit is still running.
06:21:11 <fizzie> Oh, there's no HackEgo connected.
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06:22:27 <fizzie> I don't know what has broken the post-reconnection rejoin of HackEgo; I haven't touched that part. (And it rejoined after that one ping timeout up there, at 02:43 UTC, but not after the 02:55 UTC one.)
06:22:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] testing, testing, 1, 2, 3
06:22:43 <fizzie> At least that part had not broken down.
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06:39:28 <kmc> inlining a lambda into its caller is a kind of constant propagation
06:39:56 <kmc> also, compression is learning
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06:43:49 <kmc> http://mushroomobserver.org/162974?q=1ttKN found & photographed by douglass_ in our backyard
06:47:21 <shachaf> difficult not to read as mushroom mob server
06:48:05 <Sgeo> lazy is strict, right?
06:48:19 <Sgeo> It just lies to the strictness analyzer?
06:49:51 <kmc> shachaf: you could vote on what kind it is
07:23:06 <douglass_> technically the one you saw is not pictured though i might add a picture
07:23:54 <douglass_> http://www.mushroomexpert.com/major_groups.html here's a key you can use
07:27:11 <kmc> http://www.mushroomexpert.com/abnormal.html
07:27:15 <kmc> a three-headed morel!
07:39:02 <douglass_> I found an Agaricus with another perfectly formed cap growing right out of the top
07:39:26 <douglass_> (this was on Mt. Sutro a bit before I found the Chicken of the Woods that I cloned.)
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07:50:43 <Bike> whenever i shut down my computer the display totally goes to shit, it almost looks like snow
07:50:49 <Bike> wonder if it's the weird proprietary drivers somehow
07:51:59 <kmc> it's uploading nam-shubs thru yr. optic nerve
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08:45:30 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/dELU (paraphrasing from Finnish) well, that's a big change indeed.
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09:04:45 <fizzie> It's off to work we go.
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09:04:52 <oerjan> i'm not getting to the codu logs
09:05:28 <fizzie> (Stalker mode, at least.)
09:06:31 <oerjan> what is the name of that effect where things start working as soon as you get someone to look at it
09:06:51 <oerjan> (fine for me, as long as it gets me to the logs)
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09:13:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Cyclic tag system]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39231&oldid=39229 * Oerjan * (+1) /* Example */ A paranoid test
09:14:41 <fizzie> I think it's called "the demo effect", at least in Finnish and hereabouts.
09:15:01 <oerjan> quintopia: my only explanation is that i somehow had two edit windows open, one only for the section and one for the whole article, and somehow pasted from vim into the wrong one
09:15:42 <Taneb> fizzie, the demo effect sounds like the other way round to me
09:15:51 <Taneb> ie, things stop working when you try to show them off
09:16:57 <oerjan> quintopia: that, and somehow missing my routine of checking my edits afterwards. maybe i _was_ asleep.
09:17:51 <olsner> it's annoying when that effect happens to bugs I'm supposed to fix
09:20:36 <fizzie> Taneb: I think it's (at least occasionally) applied both ways, here; as in, also for bugs that stop "working" (start working) when you try to show them off.
09:20:58 <Taneb> I guess that makes sense
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09:47:49 <Taneb> GG has an 4th wall breaking almost title-drop today :)
09:48:37 <oerjan> <Bike> http://archive.wired.com/robots.txt huh. <-- i had to test one of those, didn't i :(
09:54:23 <b_jonas> argh. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Universal_Machine and http://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32 are duplicates. I didn't search carefully enough.
09:54:44 <b_jonas> how should I clean these up? should I merge the former into the latter?
09:55:16 <oerjan> yeah i think UM-32 is a better name
09:55:33 <b_jonas> but where's that name from? is it mentioned somewhere in the task description?
09:55:52 <b_jonas> http://boundvariable.org/um-spec.txt says "Object: UM-32 "Universal Machine""
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10:07:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[UM-32]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39232&oldid=25362 * B jonas * (+1066)
10:10:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Universal Machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39233&oldid=39226 * B jonas * (+107)
10:10:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Universal Machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39234&oldid=39191 * B jonas * (-1201) Redirected page to [[UM-32]]
10:11:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39235&oldid=39209 * B jonas * (-24)
10:12:48 <oerjan> i can see this getting annoying with those people who edit articles in tiny steps
10:13:04 <fizzie> It'll probably break down far before that.
10:13:12 <olsner> hmm, is this the first instance of a bot with a useful function for this channel?
10:13:27 <fizzie> fungot: Did you hear that?!
10:13:27 <fungot> fizzie: mr papayannakis, is going to deal with it seriously with socio-economic accompaniment measures which, if implemented, will offer a referendum to the national data protection authorities, according to whether the us measures, which are normally very small and the large export capacity of many developing countries.
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10:16:31 <nooodl> `welcome.es is useful isn't it
10:16:32 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome.es: not found
10:16:50 <HackEgo> ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
10:17:33 <boily> today is «journée d'élections»!
10:19:08 <fizzie> Today, the university main building had Finnish flags in the set of five flagpoles beside the main entrance, as opposed to the silly colorful university flags they usually do.
10:19:13 <fizzie> So it's probably some sort of a day.
10:20:10 <nooodl> fizzie: clearly celebrating canadian journée d'élections
10:20:18 <fizzie> Though I don't think I saw flags out there generally, so maybe it's something more specific.
10:20:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Nooodl/test]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39236 * Nooodl * (+2) Created page with "hi"
10:21:12 <nooodl> maybe User: namespace edits shouldn't be reported
10:21:33 <fizzie> "International Bird Migration Day in Costa Rica" it's probably not that
10:21:46 <oerjan> they'd not use finnish flags then
10:22:00 <fizzie> The feed functionality didn't really have any options. Other than to hide bot edits, but I guess we don't have any wikibots?
10:22:29 <boily> fungot: are you a wikibot?
10:22:30 <fungot> boily: madam president, please allow me to make one observation and three recommendations. as i have already referred to some of you have referred to, which may be suffered by women on account of support from the structural reform process laid down in the wait-and-see policy and the activities of the paramilitaries' involvement in the support of all current internal investigations involving allegations of fraud and irregulariti
10:22:34 <fizzie> Could add a d in the sed, I guess.
10:22:47 <int-e> oerjan: that's the day they can air the flags without worrying because the birds will be away ;)
10:23:26 <oerjan> fizzie: well during major spam runs we sometimes turn on the bot flag to make them disappear. but that only works in afterthought.
10:23:27 <int-e> it's a congress bot now.
10:23:40 <oerjan> *disappear from recent changes
10:24:39 <int-e> Speaking of which, is Freefall now going to turn into a month of heated debate?
10:25:08 <oerjan> no, i think it'll be at least 3 months hth
10:26:10 <oerjan> i guess it might be alternating with sam and florence
10:26:33 <oerjan> so make that a year of on-off debate.
10:27:20 <int-e> Ah, first we have to rehash all of Asimov's logic tricks.
10:27:42 <int-e> Oh well, let's wait and see.
10:28:18 <int-e> Maybe Dr. Bowman gets a chance to make an appearance and save the day. That could be fun.
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10:29:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39237&oldid=38919 * Nooodl * (-59486) /* Implementations */ move to separate article
10:30:21 <fizzie> I guess it's even borderline possible that the wiki notices might get more people work on it?
10:30:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish implementations]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39238 * Nooodl * (+59587) Created page with "Implementations of the '''[[Deadfish]]''' language. Some of these implementations may not be considered fully compliant, sometimes because an implementor has implemented the ..."
10:32:46 <oerjan> you are ruining years of tradition here
10:33:38 <nooodl> is the tradition to stretch out the deadfish page to ridiculous lengths!!
10:33:45 <oerjan> also the number of implementations is the most impressive part of the deadfish page
10:34:14 <int-e> "The language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme"
10:34:26 <int-e> what if they revise it again, will you add another entry?
10:34:42 <oerjan> they already did. and are doing it again.
10:35:25 <oerjan> but the implementation is in R5RS
10:36:02 <oerjan> (whether there are any changes that would break it in later ones, i don't know)
10:36:54 <fizzie> R⁷RS is getting to be pretty close to finished, these days.
10:38:51 <HackEgo> [U+2077 SUPERSCRIPT SEVEN]
10:41:24 <fizzie> Shouldn't've been fancy, I see.
10:43:07 <boily> I see dead superscript sevens...
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11:04:15 <nooodl> speaking of deadfish: i ~omg optimized~ the hello world, and also generalized it
11:04:51 <nooodl> http://sprunge.us/EJAQ like so
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12:30:15 <elliott> nooodl: we might as well delete the deadfish article if it isn't filled with implementations
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12:41:21 <nooodl> elliott: should i put 'em back?
12:41:38 <elliott> well, arguable. I mean, it is deadfish
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12:50:35 <int-e> . o O ( clearly there should be two pages, one with, and one without the implementations, in addition to the separate page of implementations, just to satisfy all tastes. )
12:56:49 <fizzie> Also one empty page with neither the implementations, nor the language.
13:03:09 <int-e> and one stub with all the [citation needed] annotations.
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14:36:55 <lambdabot> The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that.
14:38:24 <int-e> Oh I meant to change that.
14:38:53 <lambdabot> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ
14:39:37 <int-e> That seems to be a slightly more useful reply.
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14:43:13 <elliott> int-e: enjoy all the whining you get in #haskell for it :)
14:44:01 <int-e> elliott: when was the last time you saw @faw being used on #haskell? My backlog isn't long enough ...
14:44:08 <lambdabot> The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that.
14:44:18 <int-e> lambdabot: oh shuddup.
14:44:48 <elliott> int-e: I don't know, I left. but people made lots of sad faces at me just for saying I'd make @faq do that, when it was being used unhelpfully like once a day.
14:45:18 <elliott> maybe the problem has gotten better.
14:45:36 <int-e> I'm inclined to silently change it and wait for the complaints.
14:45:50 <int-e> But it can wait for the ghc 7.8 update.
14:46:21 <elliott> run on GHC HEAD! it'll be more exciting
14:47:29 <int-e> up to a month ago half of the dependencies didn't even build
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14:47:54 <int-e> (I was surprised to find last weekend that they do build now)
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15:02:18 <Bike> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.devel.platform/7648 hell yeah
15:03:40 <int-e> and all I needed for getting lambdabot to compile was a role annotation in a hs-boot file: https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/commit/dc7ee36480a3e2b4e1b25d0022de72b764029bf7
15:06:15 <int-e> Hmm. Should I feel bad about abusing this channel for talking about lambdabot?
15:06:36 <elliott> have you noticed how little we talk about esolangs?
15:08:18 <Jafet> I have written much code for lambdabot. Unfortunately the reference implementation changes often.
15:08:48 <Bike> couldn't you just have @faq say both
15:09:41 <Jafet> @faq couldn't you just have @faq say both
15:09:41 <lambdabot> The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that.
15:10:37 <Bike> i doubt that question is asked frequently
15:11:31 <Jafet> What are you, a frequentist?
15:11:33 <int-e> If I wanted random answers I'd change @faq into an 8ball clone.
15:13:19 <b_jonas> if you want an 8-ball, /msg perlbot 8ball your question here
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15:14:20 <int-e> Despite Pugs I still believe that using Perl is against the spirit of Haskell.
15:14:45 <Jafet> If you want an 8-ball, wait a random period of time and ask #haskell whether you can retrieve the IO from an IO String
15:15:11 <int-e> Jafet: That sounds like a viable approach.
15:15:33 <int-e> Jafet: Assuming you meant to retrieve the String.
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15:15:53 <lambdabot> No quotes match. You untyped fool!
15:16:20 <Jafet> @quote monochrom IO.String
15:16:21 <lambdabot> monochrom says: How do I extract the IO out of IO String?
15:16:49 <int-e> Oh. Typical monochrom there.
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16:30:01 <zzo38> Do you play a computer game "Sub-EBCDIC ZZT Village Part II"?
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16:54:25 <HackEgo> olist (948): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
17:00:09 <zzo38> Remember: Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
17:01:30 <^v> \o/ the barely wiki page is wrong, also the brainfuck conversions are now wrong
17:01:45 <^v> Y u no test.
17:02:43 <zzo38> Then you should fix it please.
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17:13:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:MarioLANG]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39239&oldid=37562 * T.J.S.1 * (+119) correction about 99bottles program
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17:55:28 <nooodl> idea i had: can you perform any calculations using the functions and constants in python's "math" module
17:55:57 <nooodl> looks like A+B is pow(hypot(sqrt(A),sqrt(B)),trunc(gamma(pi)))
18:00:47 <fizzie> A*B is log(pow(exp(A),B)) and A+B is log(exp(A)*exp(B)) is log(log(pow(exp(exp(A)),exp(B)))) but that hits floating-point range errors pretty soon.
18:00:55 <fizzie> It can compute 1+2 but not 5+7.
18:02:45 <fizzie> 2+3 is still okay, too, and only involves 2.851123567946167e+64 as an intermediate number.
18:04:46 <quintopia> does "math" allow you to specify a base for log? i know mpmath does. if so, you can use 1.0000000000001 as a base and add large numbers too
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18:17:13 <int-e> log_a(b) = log(b)/log(a) (where _ indicates a subscript)
18:18:37 <fizzie> Though since you can give base as an argument, maybe that's a way to do A/B.
18:18:40 <fizzie> >>> log(log(pow(pow(1.0000000000001,pow(1.0000000000001,17)),pow(1.0000000000001,13)),1.0000000000001),1.0000000000001)
18:18:44 <fizzie> Has some round-off problems, though.
18:18:48 <fizzie> >>> log(log(pow(pow(1.001,pow(1.001,17)),pow(1.001,13)),1.001),1.001)
18:18:54 <nooodl> tan(atan2(A,B)) works sometimes!
18:19:19 <int-e> quintopia: I missed the significance of the quotes.
18:19:32 * int-e goes back to reading webcomics.
18:20:57 <quintopia> fizzie: a power of -1 seems to be the obvious way to do A/B. i would expect less error.
18:23:11 <nooodl> also the "gimmick" is you have to construct your constants from functions and math.e and math.pi!!
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18:35:35 <quintopia> nooodl: well, that pretty much bars you from doing large numbers.
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18:44:04 <fizzie> >>> b = tanh(e); log(log(pow(pow(b,pow(b,17)),pow(b,13)),b),b)
18:44:07 <fizzie> That's not too shabby.
18:44:20 <fizzie> Though summing via hypot is much more sane, I'm not arguing against that.
18:44:29 <fizzie> (tanh is a nice way to get numbers close to one.)
18:47:59 <fizzie> I assume you'd count fsum((A,B)) cheating?
18:48:52 <nooodl> yeah (imo forming tuples isn't in the module)
18:53:41 <nooodl> i've been thinking about having an esolang that gives you complex built-ins and forces you to build simple things through creative use of them
18:58:28 <elliott> there was that language on the wiki recently
19:02:06 <nooodl> http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT. hm!
19:06:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SELECT.]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39240&oldid=38622 * Quintopia * (-1) /* Etymology */ grammar and spelling
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19:50:48 <fizzie> Nice to have it bright red like that, so that you don't miss any of those minor edits.
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20:09:39 <HackEgo> nandcoin schecoin mailaxcoin biltcoin shinycoin checoin knglycoin biecoin percoin ~coin birdhmentalkcoin ooetiocoin gultermanaxatificularycogschcoin firecoin bulocoin rel-petcoin gottcoin henetidadcoin leszecoin congcoin
20:09:55 <kmc> kind of want HackEgo to join ##crypto just for that
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20:14:08 <olsner> maybe you could arrange for `coins to temporarily join ##crypto, dump that, then leave
20:15:20 <olsner> (but I suspect the connections to IRC are managed outside the sandbox in a way that makes that messy)
20:16:22 <fizzie> olsner: You are a correct.
20:16:26 <Jafet> Make a bot that tunnels coinage to the other channel
20:17:43 <Taneb> My hard drive is almost full so I am going to get a new one
20:17:49 <Taneb> That is much larger
20:18:39 <olsner> it's a trap, the new disk will also run out of space
20:19:07 <FireFly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code#Related_terms I feel that the images here really help illustrating the concept
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20:19:23 <fizzie> Taneb: I did that, and now the hard disk in this desktop is so large, the disk for backups is having space problems.
20:19:50 <Jafet> Indeed. And it will take you longer to move off larger disks. It's like gravity.
20:19:50 <Taneb> fizzie, I solve that problem by not caring about anything enough to back it up
20:20:40 <Taneb> Any recommendations for hard-drive?
20:20:54 <Bike> recommend a good one
20:21:14 <olsner> FireFly: hmm, most of those read like "good" code according to that article
20:21:48 <olsner> if lasagna code is "well-defined and separable layers", what's the term for code that is just layers everywhere?
20:22:45 <fizzie> FWIW, I bought a pair of "Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001 3TB" disks for this desktop, because I've heard bad things about probably every (mainstream) brand, and it's all a crapshoot anyway.
20:23:07 <Jafet> There's supermarket microwave oven lasagna code, which is when your layers leak into each other and there is an odd smell in the background.
20:23:08 <Taneb> fizzie, I've heard they have problems with reliability
20:23:09 <FireFly> The last paragraph of the lasagna code section mentions how it could also be an anti-pattern if overdone
20:23:19 <fizzie> Taneb: I've heard that said of everything, though.
20:23:29 <Jafet> fizzie: there are two mainstream brands, so you may have indeed heard about all of them
20:24:16 <fizzie> Jafet: There used to be more, though.
20:25:19 <Jafet> There are the "green" disks, where most of the bad things you hear are actually true. Then there are the "black" ones which most people use.
20:25:45 <Jafet> WD also has enough other colours to start a gay pride parade but most of them are just product binning.
20:26:15 <fizzie> I think Seagate dropped the "green" nomenclature.
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20:27:43 <fizzie> Looking at the Seagate section of the local shop, there's just other arbitrary terms ("Constellation", "Enterprise Capasity Series", "NAS", ...) now.
20:28:06 <fizzie> Also the middle one was spelled "Enterprice" here. Trying to hint at something, perhaps.
20:28:32 <fizzie> Or maybe it's the c from "capacity".
20:28:38 <Jafet> Perhaps you get to choose.
20:29:00 <olsner> hinting that the shop owner doesn't spell well?
20:29:29 <fizzie> olsner: It's the biggest e-retailer in all of Finland, I think.
20:29:58 <fizzie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkkokauppa.com Notable enough for Wikipedia, yet can't spell.
20:32:02 <olsner> well, seagate spells it normally afaict
20:32:19 <fizzie> The product links also have it right there in the URL.
20:33:05 <fizzie> WD has 3TB drives in "Green", "Purple", "Red", "Se" and "Black", and I'm wondering what kind of color "Se" is.
20:33:19 <fizzie> Oh, it's short for Server.
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20:34:22 <kmc> experts recommend buying a whole rainbow of drives
20:36:40 <FireFly> Oh, not a selenium hard drive
20:37:10 <fizzie> "WD Green Power -malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus, luotettavuus ja ennen kaikkea virransäästö." "WD Purple-malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus ja ennenkaikkea luotettavuus." "WD Red-malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus, luotettavuus ja ennen kaikkea virransäästö." "WD Se-malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus ja ennenkaikkea luotettavuus." "WD:n uudistuneessa Black -kovalevysarjassa yhdistyy huippuluokan ...
20:37:16 <fizzie> ... suorituskyky ja luotettavuus." Well, it's good that they're well differentiated, at least.
20:38:05 <int-e> oh, Selenium comes in several colors. Neat.
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21:03:30 <zzo38> If you need more than one drive you can get each one different color, to tell apart.
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