< 1397174850 810669 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397174868 683887 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397174876 806929 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1397174883 635486 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397175074 776340 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397175276 498977 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397175497 369808 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397175860 32292 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397175874 818730 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397175922 583287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: timeout: 8-9 hours < 1397176117 48459 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397177392 960079 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397177557 367545 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397177576 766068 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397178474 586497 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397178823 683496 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GARDEN CHICKEN < 1397178830 714951 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397179207 802615 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397179628 300352 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v why not <^v> ? < 1397179650 732098 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397179656 411975 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think < 1397179969 624736 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this week in "dumb questions"; < 1397180138 565539 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that why it is. < 1397180145 170647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever. < 1397181262 380042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic < 1397181263 738933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1397181599 889450 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to suggest that actually < 1397182114 321219 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there you are <^v> I was wondering where you had gone when I only saw ^v in the channel < 1397182146 811656 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397182441 219605 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat isn't THAT esoteric but it's still interesting https://github.com/manuel/wat-js < 1397182468 861040 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i don't see <^v>, only < ^v> < 1397182495 359476 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the webchat interface < 1397182531 105193 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else has a space? < 1397182609 560367 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1397182610 287363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi < 1397182725 498623 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397183454 839229 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397183678 104103 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397183712 544752 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397183928 773159 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397184057 16587 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1397184057 207269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:40 < Barcode> i ended up spitting a wad of half-dry blood into the garbage like 15 minutes after i figured i stopped my bleed and my coworker just. stopped typing for a few seconds < 1397184060 974658 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1397184061 876171 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever. < 1397184338 771424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea of just passing around IOs and functions to IOs is starting to bother me < 1397184369 377631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does an (a -> IO ()) do when you pass it an a? Whatever the heck it wants to! What do you mean, this one is supposed to trigger a bunch of event handlers? < 1397184509 253975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does an a -> Num do when you pass it an a who knows < 1397185027 308340 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397185656 931961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it doesn't do anything < 1397185685 245440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as for the IO actions themselves, yes, the lack of type information about effects can be problematic < 1397185902 685206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want event handlers to be able to do arbitrary IO anyway, generally < 1397185906 664134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is not a very good example < 1397186019 147079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1397186037 880473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1397186676 374838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, would using reactive-banana just for its AddHandler be a bad idea? < 1397186927 907408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always money in the banana stand < 1397186984 770624 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^^ < 1397187092 813916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah... I'm pretty certain I'm going to bite the LastPass bullet soon < 1397187303 192626 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OpenSSL uses a custom freelist for connection buffers because long ago and far away, malloc was slow." so i think i'd like to declare a blood oath against C < 1397187352 683198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft C is easy, just don't make any mistakes ever < 1397187362 519714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't be programming if you're the sort of person who would ever make a mistake < 1397187528 371446 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to hate the idea of standard libraries? < 1397187553 621384 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of vulnerabilities would crypto in Haskell be particularly likely to be vulnerable to, compared to liklihood of vulnerabilties of reimplementation in more conventional languages? < 1397187561 456015 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Side-channel attacks based on timing? < 1397187633 209815 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397187988 170999 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amusing thing about this is, most of these bugs aren't entirely from C being bad, but from the coders being *profoundly moronic and awful*. With C just making the consequences of it worse. < 1397188128 481978 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22p50z/sub400_btc_here_we_go/cgp0gwy < 1397188160 159508 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not commenting on the rest of it, but that $500/coin to mine figure, would the cost go down with fewer miners competing? < 1397188225 288408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397188229 700332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :others in the thread point this out < 1397188286 554574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cost per GH/s won't go down, but the revenue per GH/s will go up < 1397188307 404546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that just be cost per GH? anyway < 1397188383 448832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~coins < 1397188384 595226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~coins < 1397188386 415093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397188387 685396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :toadcoin boudcoin falcoin sansiscoin libedtcoin whostepchcoin acfcoin consurfcoin zustcoin patncoin dnagecoin adnestcoin ntcmcoin eloopcoin attoacoin niedcoin revelacoin smyrmatinucoin golcoin devcoin < 1397188410 87552 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for being unregulatable. One government's actions is enough to drastically hurt the price < 1397188432 678923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actions are those < 1397188466 83147 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/10/bitcoin-prices-down-10-after-chinese-banks-cut-off-local-exchanges/ < 1397188474 499316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that happened months ago < 1397188478 29995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something new happened < 1397188482 638093 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397188509 683706 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always super volatile < 1397188525 422944 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To be fair, if 1 BTC equaled 390 BTC that wouldn't be bad for bitcoin at all." < 1397188529 872424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/22q9tr/when_bitcoin_drops_to_390_btc_one_man_dares_to/ < 1397188566 721043 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ZNN5zrn.png good point < 1397188606 247107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397188706 666149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if the technical stuff behind bitcoin allowed it to be useful without it being a vehicle for continuous speculation < 1397188734 869296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be something good about having a cryptocurrency, but I don't think 'wild price changes you may get lucky on' is it < 1397188803 796723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that's something more specific than continuous speculation < 1397188808 333108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every market has continuous speculation < 1397188820 471090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you trade bitcoin in real life, its exchange rate will move in real life < 1397188865 783201 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397188929 114823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is StartSSL still evil? < 1397188959 289633 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More so than usual with the recent Heartbleed issue. < 1397188979 888020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't consider it evil before Heartbleed < 1397188996 392407 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1397189011 655186 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still disincentivizes good security practices, it just happens to have not been very relevant until just now. :) < 1397189123 472987 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-existence of free certs also isincentivizes good security practices < 1397189128 603151 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disincentivizes < 1397189145 619131 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more the complete and utter insanity of the CA system that does that. < 1397189169 299364 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trust is hard. So trust this list of companies ENTIRELY!" is just... insane. < 1397189316 164485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i "truth is hard, so trust these axioms entirely!" < 1397189349 164681 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free certs, are you suggesting we should lower the cost of someone jacking your router from $20 to zero < 1397189404 2111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :routerjacking.xxx < 1397189440 60809 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sure would suck if mathematicians dedicated themselves to finding the Right axioms < 1397189446 83374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway What Is Life is p. good i recommend it < 1397189589 656710 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an online catagory theory demonstrator < 1397189627 236682 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.j-paine.org/cgi-bin/webcats/webcats.php < 1397189685 202274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: StartSSL free certs are already accepted by the major OSes/browsers, afaik < 1397189785 233013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LastPass have a feature to import saved Chrome passwords? < 1397189788 26363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be convenient < 1397190018 930664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for Honest Lexande's Discount Certificates < 1397190066 614613 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397190075 735912 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I should clear out root certs here < 1397190083 504527 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should remove all root certs < 1397190094 557298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use certpatrol manually < 1397190121 663950 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, any root that signs intermediates < 1397190178 531244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run openssl genrsa -out /tmp/root-ca.key 4096 < 1397190179 82219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: can't open config file: /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf \ Generating RSA private key, 4096 bit long modulus \ ..........++ \ .++ \ e is 65537 (0x10001) < 1397190184 641863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even succeed in making SSL annoying enough to use that you just use http intsead < 1397190293 72572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey has anyone noticed that statistical mechanics is balls out crazy < 1397190364 81107 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to be fair http://i.imgur.com/jfGMMyL.png < 1397190484 724036 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1397190488 6903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1397190504 609208 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, airgapped < 1397190510 573283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1397190520 120483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :military grade cryptography < 1397190545 149423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default is 1024 bits :'( < 1397190581 596372 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whast's wrong with 1024 < 1397190591 108317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small < 1397190610 134380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's like, ovre twice as much as 400 bits < 1397190618 270512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc would prefer 2048 bits < 1397190632 776707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397190695 847340 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real thing that surprises me with default military grade being 1024 is that it's not like it would be that expensive for them to say "1024 is accepted but all new keys are 4096" < 1397190779 5311 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't understand, "military grade" just means "iraqi rebels can't hack into our drones using 20-year-old PCs" < 1397190791 51432 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also sometimes means "RAM heatsinks" < 1397190817 416163 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :important to stay warm < 1397190852 725936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese solid capacitors < 1397191348 191817 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397191381 521038 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397191638 564966 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397192029 723639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397192388 198970 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397193129 716588 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397193336 190868 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-pmxxzbfnyfimpyua JOIN :#esoteric < 1397193336 381158 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-pmxxzbfnyfimpyua QUIT :Changing host < 1397193336 381227 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1397193740 425137 :password2!~password@197.78.173.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397193948 327579 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397193974 788245 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397194138 337079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Heartbleed is 11 on a scale of 1-10, what is 'mathematicians have found a very fast way to factor any number' be? < 1397194170 991029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 < 1397194180 294229 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :11*11 < 1397194190 561516 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, factorization could be in P without P = NP, right? < 1397194198 679547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397194204 673962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397194215 433945 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could base a cryptosystem on discrete log or w/e right < 1397194225 270377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397194245 201462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like elliptic curve crypto < 1397194248 937370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSA is pretty widely used though < 1397194250 438146 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "RSA doesn't work" would still be pretty bad, practically speaking, huh < 1397194253 719495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1397194270 35928 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty bad. but not nearly as bad as "private key crypto doesn't wokr < 1397194300 220698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lot worse than everyone's private keys getting leaked once < 1397194475 259246 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Note that this final London equation does not contain instantaneous dipoles (see molecular dipoles). The "explanation" of the dispersion force as the interaction between two such dipoles was invented after London arrived at the proper quantum mechanical theory.» can someone explain to me how chemistry, the science, is even possible < 1397194546 656486 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw you would like quantum crypto < 1397194555 160802 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1397194569 698431 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a joke or anything it just doesn't seem like i would < 1397194776 838412 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading a seminontechnical schrodinger thing and he more or less gave up on explaining quantum jumps except that they happen, it kind of rules < 1397194887 328392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like post-quantum crypto < 1397195086 205679 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397195371 181761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not totally sure < 1397195376 396264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you would < 1397195403 483503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i would like to understand stat mechanics. it seems slightly different from quantum crypto, but then it is connected to info theory... < 1397196030 720214 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistical mechanics doesn't use much information theory < 1397196043 415873 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that you try to guess at the microstates from the macrostate < 1397196099 382353 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at szilard engine
< 1397196105 514851 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the lack of knowledge between the two is basically what constitutes entropy < 1397196692 771384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397196851 170118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://copy.sh/v24/ < 1397196981 717216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. and chemical entropy is shannon entropy times boltzmann. < 1397197769 507551 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397197868 568672 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397197911 456547 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That quit message is racist against chinamen < 1397197923 781918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the preferred nomenclature < 1397198035 416688 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397198042 364360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"continually sucking orderliness" < 1397198079 312944 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397199076 919201 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397199643 297536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rebmu14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39283 5* 03Zom-B 5* (+2118) 10Created page with "Rebmu is an esoterical code-[[golf]] dialect of Rebol, made by HostileFork. ==Overview== The underlying language is case-insensitive, so it uses CAPSalternationTOseparateTOKE..." < 1397199649 663121 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397199831 954581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rebmu14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39284&oldid=39283 5* 03Zom-B 5* (+263) 10 < 1397199972 222015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I should try to smuggle that ^ wiki update bridge into the start script of HackEgo, or if that would be presumptuous, or if it's even a good idea in general. < 1397200368 183843 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397200880 417745 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397201679 23735 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-176-164.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397202387 578874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1354/ So how accurate is this < 1397202574 673216 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397202640 938031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lactarius xanthogalactus" is a pretty effing cool name < 1397202750 369531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milky weird-milk? < 1397202791 435270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow-milked milk-cap < 1397202802 509051 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :xantho is yellow, not weird < 1397202810 428963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike knows < 1397202822 397529 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got no idea about galactus < 1397202826 418767 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the planet eater dude < 1397202922 796521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "Galaxy" is from the greek for milky way < 1397202929 902215 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, literally "Milky Way" < 1397202951 770902 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, so it is < 1397202960 40800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes TIL as well < 1397202967 413417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it sounds like the kind of thing I would have known and forgotten < 1397202983 174856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really isn't all learning just remembering < 1397203000 778507 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for the double greek, are we < 1397203071 585309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397203774 405079 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1397204820 616516 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397204878 71802 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-176-164.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397204889 658246 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397204911 777022 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397204911 970848 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397206385 711995 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397206417 556070 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey did you guys see the european open source meeting talk? < 1397206506 278202 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQoAYRKqhg < 1397206707 439365 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :openssl is dead < 1397207340 196941 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't bet on it < 1397207481 970837 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jwrsoxhmjlyxdqom QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397208929 319065 :S1!~chatzilla@p4FF93189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397209253 116018 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397210579 814501 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397211326 255696 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397211544 185226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397212158 607969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Side-channel attacks based on timing? <-- that's my hunch anyway. < 1397212203 15656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming an attacker cannot also track memory use. < 1397212249 14930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've read about things like cache-timing attacks on AES. < 1397212263 405818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess would be a subclass of "memory use". < 1397212303 808709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw i left out the context that this was about haskell < 1397212312 894764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is safe in so many other ways. < 1397212349 930185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all right, since I did see the context. < 1397212353 871444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1397212409 299413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like tracking memory use _via_ time use... < 1397212466 783310 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397212784 722372 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397212796 478452 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213264 18993 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397213314 258993 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF909F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213326 959730 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF909F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397213327 163506 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213371 193961 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213424 932329 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397213533 161923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These spam emails from (predominantly Chinese) manufacturers of this and that (mostly) industrial thing are curious. < 1397213555 585540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wouldn't assume them to have much of a success rate, but maybe it's a large enough epsilon to be worth it. < 1397213622 833157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe they have some other purpose. Does anyone know?) < 1397213634 40715 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213701 914838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a sample I just got, delivered to an obviously-harvested-from-web role address just now: http://sprunge.us/ceGW < 1397213746 581523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're secretly commands to the chinese hacker botnets, they're just sent indiscriminately so no one will notice where the real machines are hth < 1397214247 176681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1397214310 368677 :S1!~chatzilla@p4FF93189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1397214525 863763 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1397214611 795096 :password2!~password@197.78.173.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397214719 534225 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397214934 240856 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that reminds me of http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/opinion/sunday/the-cybercrime-wave-that-wasnt.html?_r=0 < 1397216174 29080 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397216778 648559 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397216934 611874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397217168 708926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1397217170 96009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1397217205 824243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet before `reverting, you should check that your command actually changed something, otherwise you'll revert the previous change instead. < 1397217206 42458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397217563 368469 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, /tmp isn't tracked < 1397217595 377936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1397217596 416136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1397217599 93947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that < 1397217666 494964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397218285 783706 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397218685 335927 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397218770 283377 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397218783 470075 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397219676 510547 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397219681 259625 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397219914 821764 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397220005 585504 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397220023 827523 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397220357 329599 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397220393 370619 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397220665 292313 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397220696 72133 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397220967 785938 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397221769 353748 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397222336 241653 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397222409 216154 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397222452 612146 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397222735 540442 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397222764 3283 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397223171 890143 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1397224538 202060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39285&oldid=39247 5* 0388.162.181.62 5* (+9) 10 < 1397225198 726234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be right, but I don't have time to look into it right now. < 1397225221 361162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They added "F#" to the language list, but that just works out as a link to F.) < 1397225248 80092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be Fsharp < 1397225298 605478 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397225326 438676 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1397225327 575340 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Changing host < 1397225327 805257 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397226293 802779 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397226562 281143 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397226651 434980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39286&oldid=39274 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+95) 10Move signature to end, question < 1397226902 174852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39287&oldid=39285 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-9) 10Undo revision 39285 by [[Special:Contributions/88.162.181.62|88.162.181.62]] ([[User talk:88.162.181.62|talk]]) (Not esoteric, and the page is not about it.) < 1397227449 821982 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397228424 787424 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1397229329 506863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397230227 195757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397230352 809320 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397230398 23532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1397233531 248527 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397233639 313387 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397233645 885047 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397234017 979312 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397234988 71654 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397235664 667677 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397236167 316647 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397236256 975830 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397236276 625325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble frumble mips-elf-objdump doesn't have a similar "use information from DYNAMIC phdr entry instead" flag that mips-elf-readelf has; it can't disassemble these binaries at all. (I've used readelf + dd-with-offsets + objdump -b binary as a workaround, but it's very uncomfortable.) < 1397236389 310524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For one thing, I need to manually cross-reference all GOT offsets and such.) < 1397236632 499330 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397236674 46437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397236683 775610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397236954 799737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397237704 199005 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397238015 317892 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397238541 356235 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have experience with compiling BASIC-like Languages to languages without computed gotos? < 1397238551 309182 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ib8s3lEB <- this approach works < 1397238569 940247 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's prone to stack overflows < 1397238627 448780 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's C# btw.) < 1397238750 572537 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also figured I could keep a list of delegates < 1397238761 753681 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tell's me which function I have to call next < 1397238789 932438 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I could probably avoid that < 1397238813 572717 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397238870 703061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the single-function giant-dispatcher approach. < 1397238992 347193 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the Statement s = LINE1; while (!quit) { s = s.invoke(); } approach. < 1397239010 962932 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(poor man's CPS) < 1397239117 537714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also adopt something like the "Cheney on the M.T.A." trick, but it's perhaps not that doable in C#. < 1397239152 154782 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/eSHjKVYa <- this works < 1397239197 333438 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping a list of delegates. and a GOTO changes the index of the next called function < 1397239225 392496 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no GOTO just increases the index) < 1397239261 448445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do something similar I have just used a case block, where the labels are just case and goto is replaced by an assignment and then continue the outer loop. < 1397239489 266876 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. < 1397239497 529653 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can have this thing going by tomorrow :D < 1397239535 694640 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Write Yourself a crappy BASIC compiler in a day :) < 1397239791 578839 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397239792 788148 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397240326 523796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397240327 923637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imminicoin lnncoin greocoin nyrcoin alpitchcoin smalcoin fortcoin anemailwariathcoin theshccoin chercoin grapecoin wheecoin fernacoin son-textenchcoin longcoin balcoin lintolercoin nesancoin sfulcoin empiuertcoin < 1397240419 131766 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smal[l]coin < 1397240465 615535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smellcoin < 1397240981 312701 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397241044 793813 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397241619 980522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39288&oldid=39278 5* 03Zerk 5* (+10) 10Clarified indentation slightly; "[same _Y _Y]" is my new favourite way to specify letrec XD < 1397242887 535168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nock14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39289 5* 03Zerk 5* (+1425) 10TODO: actual article. I think copying the official docs wouldn't be a license conflict? < 1397242904 124967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39290&oldid=39286 5* 03Zerk 5* (+415) 10 < 1397243318 494571 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397243527 308564 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397243574 196330 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397243610 690089 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397243697 704207 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397244596 310447 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397245997 824428 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397246128 515296 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397246243 821816 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397247978 524910 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397248461 379820 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397248683 142763 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good name for a language based on a statemachine that can be in an arbitrary superposition of states? < 1397248724 167804 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE QUANTUM MACHINE < 1397248732 984069 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerstate machine < 1397248739 235718 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Power < 1397248749 113496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the state is actually out of the powerset of states, rather than the set, see < 1397248833 147643 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok powerstate it is < 1397248846 621506 :password2!~password@197.78.174.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397248936 945813 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its more of a fuzzy powerset really < 1397248952 149294 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probability assigned to each state? < 1397248991 486376 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Love Machine 9000 < 1397249011 312017 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not probability, canonicalness < 1397249042 513369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh? < 1397249059 992207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this involve a priesT? < 1397249120 511803 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its state is holographic so it responds in proportion to how similar it's current state is to the set of states < 1397249132 259195 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense I promis < 1397249581 75261 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397249678 547196 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397250193 668602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397250226 172996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397251242 508040 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397252209 298090 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397252341 306061 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397252479 688127 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397252501 765569 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397252975 846842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found one case in Rust where let mut x = ...; f(x) can end up modifying x < 1397252977 642112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1397253063 521550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the worst things about C++, and Rust generally avoids it < 1397253083 264787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know, there's a lot of competition for "worst things about C++" < 1397253370 506218 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397253439 525784 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397253459 687923 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397253570 222663 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ killed my parents :( < 1397253790 296517 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to the phone < 1397254062 726994 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397254090 662162 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397254133 437442 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397254534 179815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Nock14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39291 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+172) 10Created page with "After reading about the Urbit project, Nock and Hoon are definitely esoteric ~~~~" < 1397254674 433834 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397255182 131677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Doesthiswork14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39292 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+763) 10notes on holographic reduced representation < 1397255992 838124 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397256017 742685 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397256482 315731 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397256547 161742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/111605401594472745199/posts/BBarZAT9wCM < 1397256570 604650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1397256610 410758 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397256666 372467 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397257103 515100 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397257815 617418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh easter is next week < 1397257908 159473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wows never to trust shop assistants again
< 1397257992 85336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of this, i might have sent flowers to someone who is already on vacation) < 1397258059 60162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may < 1397258505 696386 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection