< 1397865625 142484 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397865686 512880 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1397865686 964578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1397865700 998846 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that kind of hurt the point of @messages-loud? < 1397865764 236242 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1397865764 459905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1397865838 382231 :fcrawl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397865952 720416 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was half-expecting that to be special-cased. < 1397866348 957677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that's not supported without creating a new command with that name, which will ruin the typo correction by making a lot of them ambiguous... < 1397866496 562199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@burr < 1397866496 964066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yarr url bug arr < 1397866555 943828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrow < 1397866556 410689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr! < 1397866587 739058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arrow < 1397866588 160567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiver me timbers! < 1397866639 53750 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, what is piratespeak like in other languages than English? < 1397866776 816099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitte mine bramseil, hva slags landkrabbespørsmål er det < 1397866874 774831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not very yarrry, for sure) < 1397866957 389338 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: YARROWING CHICKEN < 1397867011 287821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main norwegian pirate figure at this time is kaptein sabeltann, who speaks bokmål but with some old sea slang words. < 1397867438 928149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bicyclidine you now have messages < 1397867439 277619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397867460 903161 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1397867466 521077 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah weird < 1397867768 97378 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397867901 438211 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A German pirate would originally of course have spoken Low German / Low Saxon, which would be quite incomprehensible to any speaker of Modern Standard German. < 1397869041 214622 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-apswiki.org/ this is some incredible web design < 1397869093 97043 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397869097 697234 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice < 1397869110 997849 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like http://www.the-apswiki.org/@api/deki/site/logo.png a lot < 1397869146 616769 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i didn't even notice < 1397869299 178437 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, /r/lolc does not seem to be the C equivalent of /r/lolphp < 1397869351 538106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly the ungoogleability of C is a major design flaw < 1397869417 213582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if some search engines special-case C and C++ < 1397869519 74269 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google definitely does. < 1397869543 505353 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The results for "C" and "C++" by themselves are as you'd expect, for instance. < 1397869571 362331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397869594 383897 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397869614 519140 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: That's not a special case. Trailing + are significant in google < 1397869626 402652 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also google+) < 1397869677 688177 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm, so it is. < 1397869790 412470 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1397869931 476504 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, however, that C/C++ may have been part of hte reason for this < 1397869991 737878 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397870129 932676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do want some kind of "wat"-style talk for C < 1397870148 435343 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: C# seems to be special cased. (AFAICT # is usually ignored) < 1397870470 869349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :array function parameters, integer promotion rules, signed char, trigraphs < 1397870478 572840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps google has an algorithm for finding words that need special casing. < 1397870529 274629 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the same results from 'p# complexity' and 'p complexity' < 1397870556 807987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry, r/watc isn't about c < 1397870619 764028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1397870674 59320 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I get different results for "p complexity" and "#p complexity" though < 1397870694 52894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a langguage that lets you literally specify Turing machines? < 1397870754 628355 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if we don't, I'm making one, and it will be called Tarpit < 1397870825 674779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all depends on what you mean by literally hth < 1397870874 284836 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there was one in sigbovik once < 1397870985 195983 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean a language where the specification is some form of description of a turing machine < 1397871019 324630 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I've got an even better idea < 1397871030 309715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language where the input, in text, is a TM diagram < 1397871046 996068 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also roughly half of computability papers go through the rigamarole of specifying TMs as tuples, does that count < 1397871114 475430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no because the tuple model is not actually something I can feed into a computer < 1397871129 664165 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll get the sigbovik cite for ya < 1397871130 463155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1397871156 905866 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in reponse to which? < 1397871157 127798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1397871157 344767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do computers have problems parsing tuples. < 1397871204 9085 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Next 700 Intuitionistic Linear Logics" heh < 1397871213 986185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh no. I mean I know of no programming language whose source code is the tuple and the language executes the tuple as a TM < 1397871226 252005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i recall mark chu-carroll wrote a turing machine emulator in haskell once. < 1397871242 110527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on his blog. < 1397871247 132688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1397871251 436322 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397871253 880407 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww that's verbose < 1397871267 860528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently this one is written in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaid_%28programming_language%29 < 1397871441 768955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual turing machine definition is in: Brother Jonathan Aldrich. (2010) Holy States Can Save the World! In ZH Bovik (ed.) A Record of the Proceedings of the SIGBOVIK Conference 2010. < 1397871595 714482 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397871989 750660 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397872385 86065 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1397872632 338824 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397872797 979458 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397872798 538154 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397874574 904095 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397874665 270446 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397874695 803838 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397874832 6 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is CPython compiled to asm.js "esoteric"? < 1397874832 255653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.detectify.com/post/82370846588/how-we-got-read-access-on-googles-production-servers nice < 1397875062 505864 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aturingmachine.com < 1397875072 184353 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, somebody kept a bug bounty and didnt donate it to charity? < 1397875155 487327 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397875301 942035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tarpit14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39364 5* 03Coppro 5* (+5913) 10Created page with "'''Tarpit''' is a description language for state diagrams of finite state machines and their generalizations. It is generally well established that the best description of fi..." < 1397875378 469142 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397875379 139303 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397875584 79281 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397875856 762832 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is a bit dated < 1397875857 742162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'"Uh, well, the government did actually use that Facebook information to draft people for the second Korean war in 2013..." Todd replied.' < 1397875999 206100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1397876076 683384 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Todd replied.' is this a book < 1397876261 491697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a choose-your-own-adventure game, but needing to take all paths to really get the full story < 1397876275 111056 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kongregate.com/games/greg/thousand-dollar-soul-321811 < 1397876836 102231 :Palaver!~Palaver@216.67.42.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397877314 134059 :Palaver!~Palaver@216.67.42.180 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397877330 517081 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397877547 829935 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urbit as an esoteric programming language < 1397877640 16797 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397878403 958255 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ukraine crisis as an esoteric programming language < 1397878473 669333 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397878558 669516 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397878562 166046 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1397878616 71360 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397878621 818602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its highlevel compareToChamberlain function < 1397878626 380694 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397878654 858665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1397878714 686925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly Chamberlain should just be an instance of the comparableTo class. < 1397878747 721949 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net PART #esoteric :"Palaver http://palaverapp.com/" < 1397878759 430651 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397879282 933444 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe Nothing . Just < 1397879284 458228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Maybe a’ with ‘a1 -> Maybe a2’ < 1397879284 643861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a -> a1 -> Maybe a2 < 1397879284 644013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: a -> Maybe a < 1397879315 783216 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe Nothing Just < 1397879317 43662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a -> Maybe a < 1397879369 296473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody of you know what the & is supposed to do in rail? < 1397879460 710351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby on rails? < 1397879538 243905 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1397879549 662002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail, the esolang < 1397879743 733800 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: have you ported ruby to rail? < 1397879761 819445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby on the third rail < 1397879834 786962 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: checked the article. & looks kind of like a twisted up track so without more definition of 'lambda' it's obviously a crash < 1397879952 151283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397879987 720341 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby does rails < 1397880041 337460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://java.metagno.me/ < 1397880055 801053 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff will probably kill you, lets do another line, what say you meet me down on hollywood and vine < 1397880076 120836 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397880098 847877 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err heartattack and vine < 1397880369 922405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :StompWebApplicationContextAwareBean, not bad < 1397880499 593141 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are GADTs == 'closed' data families? < 1397881103 570771 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881271 414076 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397881297 468524 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397881327 390393 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881407 764788 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881530 202127 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397881607 727613 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397881719 790480 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881854 901351 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happened to be sitting in the library near a CS 120 tutoring area < 1397881903 956306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think you'll get over it? < 1397881933 967090 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1397881939 994772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/9/c/59c905daa195675abf6216e2f08ad32d.png can someone explain to me how physics even exists, as a field of study < 1397882044 520293 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the students had left I asked the tutor and ill formed question about abstraction and partial application, and he explained that there was somthing called recusion that is pretty neat and that I should learn python < 1397882088 376841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you < 1397882116 896598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did the appropriate thing and learned python by already knowing it < 1397882125 700175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's recursion!) < 1397882147 250010 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1397882178 275442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that follows from the fact that it's recursion < 1397882191 933735 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. < 1397883149 311925 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah yes, the Before C Programing Language" < 1397883357 667476 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before C / Ano Dennisritchie < 1397883441 71791 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397883453 459187 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't started reading (except that it proves False), but is http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/impredicativity-bites.html fixed yet? < 1397883567 25210 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397883815 364804 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/types.html#de-typechecker < 1397883901 493473 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397883961 759262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39365&oldid=39355 5* 03Zerk 5* (+239) 10 < 1397884034 236561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uncharitably speaking, Haskell, taken as a logic, is inconsistent in more than two ways." < 1397884112 250260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397884217 225249 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop the presses < 1397884316 914874 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Essentially we turn a type into a logical program -- a set of Horn clauses -- which we then solve by SLD resolution. It is gratifying to see that Haskell typeclasses are up to that task." < 1397884375 391622 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397884445 633301 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that haskell was not intended to be a sound logic. < 1397884526 223632 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that the easter bunny isnt real :( < 1397884547 80503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why would you say that on good friday? i'm pretty sure you're going to hell now < 1397884849 61614 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it a good friday? < 1397885319 631809 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397886051 797729 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1397886217 591257 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do spin glasses actually exist < 1397886303 30881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spin glass in yer ass < 1397887466 286435 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia implies so < 1397887521 748087 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like in its spin ice article it at least gives an actual example (dysprosium titanate) < 1397887786 390259 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1386818 Anyway here's a blast from the past for you: A worm < 1397887861 453831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39366&oldid=39362 5* 03Zerk 5* (-280) 10Amended addition algorithm < 1397888565 961659 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397888823 303854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39367&oldid=39366 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (-34) 10I am impressed, that is a much smarter program < 1397889378 304451 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397890335 726328 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397891123 566254 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) is a special kind of stupid. even when it’s right, it looks wrong. " < 1397891125 855681 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1397891237 17843 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I thought it's a useless version of strcpy(d, s), but on closer inspection it's completely wrong < 1397891345 107649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emotions and "irrational" behavior are a way for selfish genes to credibly commit to strategies which would be overruled by rational self-interest < 1397891414 442297 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397891556 523909 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: how's it different < 1397891589 805496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :7F1AAEZAZ < 1397891590 59439 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397891590 244875 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397891613 762808 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear reason is and should be slave to the emotions < 1397891662 210615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we, alone on earth, have the power to free ourselves from the tyranny of the selfish replicators < 1397891665 159148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pass it on < 1397891675 695227 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1397891690 925728 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397891711 113644 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char a[] = "abcde", b[42]; strncpy(b, a, strlen(a)); return !puts(b); }\n' > /tmp/strncpy.c && gcc -o /tmp/strncpy{,.c} && /tmp/strncpy < 1397891712 92440 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde < 1397891746 923806 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char a[] = "abcde", b[] = " :-)"; strncpy(b, a, strlen(a)); return !puts(b); }\n' > /tmp/strncpy.c && gcc -o /tmp/strncpy{,.c} && /tmp/strncpy < 1397891747 726267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde:-) < 1397891771 72945 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use words < 1397891797 608199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssl added and removed here < 1397891806 557976 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In english: don't use strncpy he is a lame guy < 1397891813 876269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1397891821 497010 :7F1AAEZAZ!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397891909 326197 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char a[] = "abcde", b[] = " :-)"; strcpy(b, a); return !puts(b); }\n' > /tmp/strcpy.c && gcc -o /tmp/strcpy{,.c} && /tmp/strcpy < 1397891910 68740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde < 1397891938 274213 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't copy the null < 1397892008 506635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that a new vhemt campaign < 1397892105 474867 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the selfish gene predates regulatory networks < 1397892203 415990 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397892334 539245 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear nobody keeps track of history with these things. need to give evolutionary biology a repo < 1397892340 871786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the tyranny quote? no it's the last sentence of The Selfish Gene < 1397892371 626454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the irony anyone < 1397892422 850398 :WOODMAN!~chatzilla@c-24-16-35-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397892425 384620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb setting up scumbag meme meme < 1397892432 684535 :WOODMAN!~chatzilla@c-24-16-35-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promoción GAWMiners para Compradores / vendedores Co-Op - 10% descuento en cualquier orden! < 1397892441 132716 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1397892552 307556 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397892817 259234 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397892838 61987 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :kmc > 1397892838 285043 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397892853 322639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@c-24-16-35-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net > 1397892853 336810 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397892857 78838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com KICK #esoteric WOODMAN :don't spam < 1397892864 567609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com MODE #esoteric -o :kmc > 1397892864 578775 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397892881 789831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitcoin spam has reached us even here -_- < 1397893102 740965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god who stays dead, not plays dead < 1397893322 248180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, happy bicycle day < 1397893353 758772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yea < 1397893382 574596 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :419, uh, spin it < 1397893500 636334 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397893689 763649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop it, more like < 1397893716 422604 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you drop a bike :( < 1397893867 324878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike do you know what bicycle day is < 1397893885 368251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1397893892 650199 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow shit < 1397893945 522367 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397894245 593598 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397894278 412808 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One short trip for humanity < 1397894326 516242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.psychedelic-library.org/child.htm is a pretty good read < 1397894328 593985 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/humanity/a man/ wow I mangled it more than I thought < 1397894401 959540 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397894403 719309 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397894436 509331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"damn, this is the good shit" -- armstrong at some point, probably < 1397894465 383071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever been on the moon... on weed < 1397894482 243632 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to fund this < 1397894541 840885 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://members.shaw.ca/rlongpre01/moon.html < 1397894609 695873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty tantalizing that only a tiny fraction of all possible psychedelics have ever been synthesized let alone tested in humans < 1397894639 378390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that tiny sample has yielded some of the most mysterious and powerful psychopharmacological agents and has facilitated many of the most intense and meaningful experiences ever reported by human beings < 1397894711 486383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what else is out there < 1397894825 959909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes < 1397894859 290438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The channel with > 100% bots | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1397894915 658439 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The training simulation consists of taking weed on earth and pretending you're on the moon < 1397894964 691620 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cheap, no need to run a reality TV show < 1397894964 877003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there were two astronauts on the moon and one of them killed the other with a rock. would that be fucked up or what < 1397894967 878219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotboxing a winnebago and calling it the lunar module < 1397895017 658913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there was an earlier The Onion: Our Dumb Century article < 1397895027 269162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NASA, hippies race to send man to the moon" < 1397895082 914272 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1958 < 1397895136 465723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397895520 281200 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.29.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397895649 849534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siamese Dream is a really good album < 1397895726 265164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what point sandisk is making with this ad http://ds.serving-sys.com/BurstingRes/Site-19890/Type-0/39e1ac57-fdd0-4dad-a400-b4ea62db3b3f.jpg < 1397895754 54555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we <3 jpeg artifacts"? < 1397895993 38326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to sleep < 1397896020 559002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night friends < 1397896022 395995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION zzzzzz < 1397896490 657136 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1397896495 826801 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have came to replace kmx < 1397896497 457757 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kmc < 1397896499 381351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever < 1397896501 51849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's early < 1397897225 234734 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397897236 498838 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397898082 485118 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrjfwzluluulobcm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397900128 51884 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming/blog/2014/03/03/the-wild-west-of-cryptocurrencies < 1397900136 613810 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stay tuned for part two where we’ll explore in detail how AMD Radeon™ hardware helps provide a technological advantage for users participating in cryptocurrency mining!" < 1397902561 994907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"changelog: switched ad network (requires more permissions)" < 1397902569 720242 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, must have update for an app < 1397903062 524133 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397903503 823650 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397906479 357049 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397906544 819454 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909106 537456 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909155 1018 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909212 459426 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909245 739405 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1397909245 963740 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909497 264030 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909679 570906 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909692 59042 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909693 199624 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909693 941949 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909694 529661 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909695 237064 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909695 430897 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909696 945716 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909713 321787 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909728 104626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397911328 513414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03UncleMartin 5* 10New user account < 1397911378 781962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39368&oldid=38890 5* 03UncleMartin 5* (+73) 10/* Example-based languages */ < 1397911410 660903 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397912904 134971 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397913472 100704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397914349 704730 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397914988 725156 :edinson1!~canaima@186.167.243.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397915023 505701 :edinson1!~canaima@186.167.243.123 PART :#esoteric < 1397916092 709413 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916115 962052 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397916132 296352 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397916254 517001 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916318 316267 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916489 991490 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397916502 292644 :shikherr!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916540 366523 :shikherr!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397916644 409930 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397916657 201005 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1397917653 97211 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397917891 134238 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397918100 92858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397918408 844349 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1397918561 449439 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397918718 318732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your edification, the weakly connected components of esolangs.org (considering as vertices only the main and category namespaces): http://sprunge.us/gSMg < 1397918782 751572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: does not take templates into account, so there are e.g. some stuff with {{stub}} that are not counted as part of the main component, since the [[Category:Stub]] link is not visible.) < 1397918983 732823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm those are essentially orphan pages < 1397919073 600399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very close to Special:LonelyPages, yes. Though not quite exactly identical. < 1397920016 747063 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397920496 583704 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397920571 728384 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397920836 576013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel with > 100‰ bots | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1397921095 970463 :adu!~ajr@ip-64-134-44-197.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397921191 967817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FukYorBrane14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39369&oldid=30341 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+18) 10CoreWars -> Core War and link to Redcode < 1397921340 418934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39370&oldid=39047 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+18) 10/* Related languages */ CoreWars -> Core War and link to Redcode < 1397921467 3995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39371&oldid=37998 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+12) 10CoreWars -> Core War and link to Redcode < 1397922164 571609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397922187 45618 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1397922292 692412 :adu!~ajr@ip-64-134-44-197.public.wayport.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397922303 568352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Agony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39372&oldid=35617 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+1) 10/* AgonyWar */ CoreWar -> Core War < 1397922517 381348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39373&oldid=38039 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (-36) 10Core Wars -> Core War, changed link to Wikipedia disambiguation page for Redcode to Redcode page on Esolang wiki. < 1397922945 239101 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Redcode related to Brainfuck? < 1397923057 572080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39374&oldid=35186 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+4) 10/* External resources */ link to Redcode < 1397923136 771210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397923139 321409 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It's not. But there's a BF interpreter written in Redcode. < 1397923205 382434 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean comparing FYB and BF Joust to Core War? < 1397923610 295708 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1397923621 100964 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397924513 442553 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397926295 64840 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1397927096 309011 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397927136 342072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprising fact: "Language list" is the center of esolangs.org: http://sprunge.us/QFJG < 1397927144 805800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analysis as per http://mu.netsoc.ie/wiki/ i.e. the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrality#Closeness_centrality metric in the single, 1272-page strongly connected component. < 1397927195 21348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hence the numbers indicate the average number of clicks needed to get to any other page starting from the indicated one.) < 1397927490 786843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. 3.1415 Underload < 1397927575 383655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intentional, I'm sure. < 1397927732 941099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1397929499 835858 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397929764 495061 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/apps/s_socket.c.diff?r1=1.30;r2=1.31 "Added for T3E" < 1397929973 372881 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. is that a computer without 32 bit ints? < 1397930013 757602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be a reason to use bitfields for IPv4 addresses) < 1397930183 850854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what's FYB? < 1397930212 638864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see http://esolangs.org/wiki/FukYorBrane < 1397930342 983234 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 21164 implemented a 43-bit virtual address and a 40-bit physical address." < 1397930347 611357 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :says it had 64 bit regs, though < 1397930446 141861 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/61596b948ab4b982ac734df79749707a4faa0f07 Important < 1397930458 298410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1397930474 846304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dig the commit msg < 1397930476 581354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the last one has four X < 1397930484 234126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?! < 1397930493 20514 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's explained in the commit message!! < 1397931638 501211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/apps/ca.c.diff?r1=1.43;r2=1.44 printf more like whybotherf < 1397932296 804531 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397933600 10198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39375&oldid=39359 5* 03Zerk 5* (+305) 10Added missing {a b c} format explanation < 1397933688 494183 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397934721 417137 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397934995 122183 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1397935014 414337 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397935237 290949 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397935387 655485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397935475 665355 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1397935829 457962 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397935985 613448 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghutkmedhjyviyuo JOIN :#esoteric < 1397936175 403668 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397936220 587965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397936221 888374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+coin spuracoin critecoin bercoin alpecoin owlcoin selfinghacoin steprocoin lerecoin fobcoin boguetcoin shafsoncoin majecoin prelncoin 0500coin hagecoin smitacoin pbodancoin 0.1800001100acoin quatcoin < 1397936438 622563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+coin is nice < 1397936456 612594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++coin < 1397936480 278928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would styalize it so that coin is below the X+ and the + inside the < of the X < 1397936492 533016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coin is below the plus I mean < 1397936618 755579 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what these esocoin things are? < 1397936641 471882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make a Markov chain with the transition probabilities taken from the links of the wiki (normalized, so that a page with two links to A and one link to B has a transition probability of 2/3 for A and 3/3 for B), this is the stationary distribution it has: http://sprunge.us/ARcB < 1397936646 482370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. if you keep clicking random links forever, that's relatively how often you'll be visiting each page. < 1397936697 976129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Er, assuming you only click those links that stay in the strongly connected component of pages.) < 1397936733 913565 :DarthMater!~AnnHero@162.219.179.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397936850 542875 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. aubergine is more linked than betterave. < 1397936922 286618 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betterave? < 1397936962 783843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does "Befunge/index.php" exist? < 1397936992 588517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397937002 863437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, why that name for that language < 1397937010 456052 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: betterave. < 1397937049 173006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: rdbeta? < 1397937092 986213 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: most probably. < 1397937105 199371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, interwiki links seems to suggest it is beta in general < 1397937112 638357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that could be wrong < 1397937155 70794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so does the Latin name, which is probably more accurate than the interwiki links < 1397937161 489699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, seems like it's beets general < 1397937179 226705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions e.g. betterave rouge and betterave a sucre < 1397937215 754141 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone actually tried taking an existing conventional programming language and just interpret it differently? < 1397937222 445397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh it seems rödbeta is a cultivated variant of the beet family, that it is in fact not a separate species < 1397937237 803796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Aubergine has incoming links from "Aubergine/aubergine.hs", "Carriage", "Language list" and "List of quines"; Betterave has incoming links from "Hello world program in esoteric languages", "Language list" and "Truth-machine" only. < 1397937238 763431 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the source code remains at least syntactically valid in both languages < 1397937256 555224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess there's probably a MediaWiki special page for looking that up already?) < 1397937269 854090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special:WhatLinksHere < 1397937273 345257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's linked in the sidebar of every page < 1397937282 524798 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aaaaaaah. < 1397937289 952750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called. < 1397937293 755749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, [pages[p] for p in (a[:,pagemap['Aubergine']] > 0).nonzero()[0].tolist()] is clearly much easier than that. < 1397937320 812523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why the name "Befunge/index.php". It says you made that language. < 1397937327 923186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea why I have (a > 0).nonzero() in place of a.nonzero().) < 1397937336 572683 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you mean, unconscious polyglots? < 1397937381 289735 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1397937388 26144 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends what unconscious means :) < 1397937389 194939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same reason as http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck/w/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTalk:Brainfuck/index.php < 1397937389 846110 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/un/sub/ < 1397937394 731615 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for being knocked out < 1397937403 996085 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: got my prefixes mixed. < 1397937412 35173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ....yes I just found that, and I still don't know the reason for that either < 1397937433 663155 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I really like that “unconscious polyglot” idea. < 1397937446 16168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spam page titles < 1397937451 893694 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a coma patient that can not speak in multiple languages < 1397937469 343022 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every program would be a polyglot I guess < 1397937486 969461 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it might not do the same thing < 1397937493 707317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aah < 1397937511 309304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, might make it harder to make an actual polyglot < 1397937534 274124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what happened to your befunge-98 implementation btw? In haskell iirc? < 1397937550 454963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost I think < 1397937552 735295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on some random hard drive < 1397937569 337164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397937596 404845 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unconventional languages these already exist < 1397937605 6175 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider flipping + and - in Brainfuck and there you go < 1397937620 876989 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same syntax/grammer, different meaning. < 1397937624 842684 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grammar < 1397937791 299556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you could do the same in, say, C. Wouldn't be very interesting though, most programs just wouldn't work properly if you swapped, say, / and * < 1397937793 347506 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you could do the same thing in C. < 1397937796 811035 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flipping ++ and -- < 1397937799 953054 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :) < 1397937813 224031 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the same thought just at the same time < 1397937833 669758 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah. I hate it when a seemingly good idea suddenly turns boring again :( < 1397937858 969828 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it could still be interesting. But you have to be more creative than just switch / and * < 1397937863 639583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, prepare to be disappointed by life then. That happens 99 times out of 100 < 1397937868 712049 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397937876 669628 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1397937882 810359 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already suffering from depression. So... < 1397937887 864442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1397937922 378332 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm already rather disappointed < 1397937926 510417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time of thinking of any transformation that would result in programs not specially written for this new language duality doing interesting stuff < 1397937952 919643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you could always write programs that check for it and do interesting stuff in either case < 1397937999 304852 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just add new features to it. < 1397938001 551189 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm. < 1397938002 335003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1397938006 301153 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1397938039 686385 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1397938047 352190 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "abc"+"abc" legal C code? < 1397938080 373377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1397938087 945685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the mood to make an esolang < 1397938088 140370 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1397938098 516227 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397938102 414710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add almost anything, but not two pointers (without casting) < 1397938103 303878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shockwave Flash has crashed". Dammit flash < 1397938116 344326 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397938123 873544 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you folk already know about pointer machines? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_machine < 1397938150 476293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think that would add up the addresses of the pointers to the strings < 1397938155 795564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, if it is legal that is < 1397938159 268006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably isn't < 1397938160 752972 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not legal. < 1397938170 213595 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd thought it add up the addresses yes < 1397938176 385980 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not legal. < 1397938203 290111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointers are a torsor or something < 1397938234 935923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, I heard of it iirc < 1397938266 852384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pointer machines cannot do arithmetic. Computation proceeds only by reading input symbols, modifying and doing various tests on its storage structure—the pattern of nodes and pointers, and outputting symbols based on the tests. "Information" is in the storage structure." < 1397938271 370294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I believe that < 1397938291 789962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you come up with a numeric representation for those systems? < 1397938291 976227 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397938292 336382 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397938483 296008 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's meant like "Brainfuck can't multiply numbers" < 1397938563 791580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it can, you just need to do it by a fairly inefficient algorithm < 1397938587 320033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe you missed the point < 1397938594 435269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not built into the language" < 1397938612 682694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1397938660 238708 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... ;) < 1397938664 263025 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e gets it :D < 1397938728 264555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a new esolang BEFORE MIDNIGHT < 1397938741 265147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb < 1397938741 991873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Sat Apr 19 21:19:01 < 1397938745 222352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that is a nice name, when are you going to make it ;) < 1397938748 824125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in BST < 1397938801 294810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so midnight is an hour later for you < 1397938823 583798 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST? < 1397938827 993097 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Summer Time < 1397938830 923580 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT+1 < 1397938834 223990 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1397938848 13183 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was opting for B____ saving time < 1397938857 587514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit saving time < 1397938866 16430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just Bullshit time < 1397938896 364333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, generally it is called "summer time" not "saving time" in Europe I think < 1397938935 343383 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1397938943 926522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is summer the savings time? I always thought winter is when daylight is in need of saving < 1397938944 538626 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summrziit < 1397938955 363061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, :D < 1397938957 603717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in CEST for example, Central European Summer Time < 1397938993 774126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397938994 531036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for olsner is Sweetmorn, the 1st of Chaos in the 3136 YOLD < 1397939000 224767 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a mistery < 1397939015 83012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397939026 770664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it ignoring me? < 1397939031 690862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397939040 506887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I set the local time < 1397939042 850746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help localtime < 1397939043 239357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time . Print a user's local time. User's client must support ctcp pings. < 1397939048 107738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1397939064 544871 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly surprised the ctcp reply from the other computer survived ZNC (currently on the laptop which apparently didn't get to also respond) < 1397939069 42649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I filter all CTCP < 1397939080 485146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except CTCP ACTION < 1397939082 298398 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime lambdabot < 1397939083 86698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time? < 1397939098 351249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1397939099 236475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mr president, the evidence indicates that community import conditions and controls at external borders and of border crossing points, one about the single currency project have been forced by fear of famine and warfare. the khran rebels, holding some six hundred civilians hostage, used them as human beings. < 1397939113 257881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- TIME Sweetmorn, the 1st of Chaos in the 3136 YOLD < 1397939113 443367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- TIME Sat Apr 19 22:25:07 < 1397939118 628455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting two answers < 1397939130 559829 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397939133 986967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for mroman is Sat Apr 19 22:25:30 2014 < 1397939145 689780 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is clearly more important < 1397939157 327003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :>olsner< CTCP VERSION < 1397939157 512813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- GNU sed version 4.2.1 < 1397939157 512887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu < 1397939165 884516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397939171 308364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is even lacking the VERSION string < 1397939177 336847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is incorrect < 1397939182 910503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be nondeterministic which one answers then, and lambdabot probably picks the first ... perhaps I can set up something nice in znc < 1397939183 953081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1397939206 326363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1397939206 547860 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: madam president, i want to welcome the commissioner. < 1397939210 666557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fungot is I AM TIME ITSELF < 1397939228 864703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fizzie < 1397939230 120880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Sat Apr 19 23:28:07 2014 < 1397939239 492817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps I just chose to respond usisng a CTCP GNU? that should be allowed? < 1397939297 214675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph visualization is a https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140419-links.pdf good tool for data exploration. < 1397939322 32622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, pretty sure the response should be prefixed with the original command < 1397939328 551739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so that would be with VERSION < 1397939339 528100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure of if it should be caps or not < 1397939383 702472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but I guess you could argue that you are sending an answer to something that was never sent < 1397939393 71203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you shouldn't respond to it < 1397939683 990990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you find words that start with five consonants inherently funny? < 1397939685 48105 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i want to wish you a fruitful presidency and we could go along with the outcome of the meeting at laeken. unfortunately, the working conditions and puts pressure on wages, implemented by the member states to look at the role that one of the most difficult question is probably whether and to what extent merchant shipbuilding is competitive in the long run if we are to find the funding to do so, in practice < 1397939701 583048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1397939722 483325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, words such as? < 1397939729 382898 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397939748 835049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any such words off the top of my head < 1397939790 27882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy easter, fungot! < 1397939790 483504 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, honourable member, this particular accident again raises the problem of choices, the commission can intervene immediately. a further consolidation, a new regulation was adopted just last year i attended the coordinators' meeting of the conference. < 1397939804 633345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"raises the problem of choices" < 1397939805 466424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm laughing all day at a sign in the metro that has two typos, one of which resulted in the word зкстренного < 1397939808 38620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1397939816 943294 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "sch" count as three consonants? < 1397939823 491241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, well I'm not russian so that doesn't help < 1397939823 696035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in german < 1397939837 557255 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then no. < 1397939838 929733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in russian there is a single letter for that sound < 1397939886 210075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be no real such words like that in my /usr/share/dict/words; the only matches are stuff like "HTML's". < 1397939891 495298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need an esoteric language for this, one that likes crazy consonant clusters < 1397939896 212778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it depends on what you mean by consonant, those are three letters and each is a consonant letter, but pronounciation is likely to be a single consonant sound < 1397939919 105933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -E '^[qrtpsdfghklzxcvbnm]{5}' /usr/share/dict/words < 1397939921 777931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives me nothing < 1397939933 681748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming I got the consonants for English right < 1397939955 450055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is sometimes a vowel, sometimes a consonant, or so I've heard. < 1397939963 943453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, i'd have checked them in alphabetical order :) < 1397939975 976799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are words with 4 though, all but one use sch[lmnrt] < 1397939977 456671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than scanning the keyboard < 1397940004 144558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, hah < 1397940030 257304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, anyway I'm not sure if I got them right for English < 1397940035 520532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not a native speaker < 1397940037 244316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what I've heard for english, but swedish counts Y as a proper vowel afaik < 1397940047 373881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, it's always a vowel in Finnish too. < 1397940063 95983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yep < 1397940069 956498 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway allowing y there are a few < 1397940075 298939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did [^aeiouy], FWIW; there are words when counting y, but they all sound pretty vowely.) < 1397940077 145254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but them I don't know if they count < 1397940080 466330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and yet other times, Y is thorn < 1397940081 333166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about making this language have nasty implementation-defined evaluation order < 1397940114 23388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think there's already such a language < 1397940124 943125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, like C? < 1397940126 383515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Whenever < 1397940129 890395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, also C < 1397940156 769550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :given something like f(a(x), b(y)) it is undefined if a or b is called first < 1397940163 790732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same goes for a() + b() < 1397940175 426842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for a(); b(); though. < 1397940180 859913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Whenever. < 1397940184 333476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking more like http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/burns/pf.html < 1397940187 519294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397940206 676155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wonder about the status of 'w'. < 1397940211 371307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like Whenever makes it possible to specify ordering using dependencies/conditions, might want to get rid of that < 1397940224 324524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not a native speaker either. < 1397940254 39562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that topic, how many syllables would you say "polynomial" has? < 1397940274 113518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u is a vowel, w should be a double-vowel < 1397940298 597784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, po-ly-no-mi-al? < 1397940310 553433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or po-ly-nom-yal < 1397940326 925610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I guess I could be pronouncing it wrong then? < 1397940331 233304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I... actually pronounce it poh-nom-yal < 1397940337 524640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a native speaker tell me there are 4; my personal vote goes to 4.5 ;-) < 1397940337 710043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm a bad person < 1397940345 394032 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An important feature of the implementation of Pascal-FC is the random switching between user processes incorporated into the run-time system. This provides an excellent simulation of true parallelism and invariably finds bugs in poorly structured programs. " nice < 1397940362 41905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pol ee nom ee ul < 1397940384 125886 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poh-lay-nor-mee-hal < 1397940385 296821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"poly|no|mial" says LaTeX for allowed hyphenation points, but maybe that's not quite the same thing. < 1397940386 437256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, are you skipping sounds then?? < 1397940392 760603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah < 1397940405 244343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, is that common with native speakers? < 1397940409 243444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1397940423 413422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wait, you dropped the 'ly'? < 1397940439 970222 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think so < 1397940451 682574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: deliberately? < 1397940481 118182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if saying it sloppily I might go as far as pol-nom-yal < 1397940482 617844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's how I pronounce it when I'm not thinking and talking quickly < 1397940486 685678 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me its 5 syllabls but since english is stress timed the lengths are 1, .5, 1, .5, .5 < 1397940534 848849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow this lack of agreement makes me happy < 1397940558 625829 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397940618 915919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, but I would say 5 if I hadn't said it under my breath < 1397940669 157438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an awful lot of syllables < 1397940690 583396 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like olsner is consitantly reducing unstressed close unrounded vowels < 1397940721 456577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: does that make it a syllabus? < 1397940726 49715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you ask LaTeX for hypen-points? < 1397940772 356620 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, this language is shaping up... < 1397940784 718844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LuaLaTeX + \usepackage{showhyphens}. < 1397940790 576851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397940823 95263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though IIRC it prints them in the "overfull hbox" errors too. < 1397940843 243960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that is not quite as useful < 1397940903 471210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a (TeX-level) command for it, though it doesn't end in the document. < 1397940973 144112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jHNO like that. < 1397941039 383929 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I think I mostly just articulate poorly < 1397941080 390501 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a standard way of articulating < 1397941090 722814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39376&oldid=39375 5* 03Zerk 5* (+1433) 10Clarified whitespace, added section /* Macros */ and the relevant specification. < 1397941143 978275 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1397941194 640492 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1397941199 896948 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I encode numbers as "state"? < 1397941204 119450 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a Reddit thread about ramen noodles < 1397941223 946247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, they're saying the big danger is lack of nutrients if it's eaten exclusively < 1397941234 832069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, this is going to be really awkward < 1397941236 377765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39377&oldid=39376 5* 03Zerk 5* (+2) 10clarification < 1397941242 830175 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can treat "increment" as a transition from state 0 to 1, from state 1 to 2 from state 2 to 3 and so on < 1397941243 333707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the ramen, the esolang I'm making < 1397941243 776839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sgeo, you can't live only on ramen noodles < 1397941255 264202 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man cannot live on ramen alone < 1397941268 643471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically wheat flour, a small amount of fat and spices < 1397941307 471497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I have a chicken sandwich for lunch, I shouldn't be too concerned if I have ramen for dinner? < 1397941307 940788 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I wanted two numbers I'd need a0,a1,a2... and b0,b1,b2... and so on < 1397941320 669752 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oughta work. < 1397941362 686524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, in general you need a varied diet. < 1397941363 609156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's usually the sum of nutrients that matters, and no normal foods have negative value < 1397941389 355100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also varied diet to get all the required vitamins and so on < 1397941435 631181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if for dinner sometimes I have a chicken sandwich, sometimes pizza, sometimes ramen, sometimes instant pasta, is that sufficiently varied/ < 1397941468 426830 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you eat like a third grader. < 1397941476 245358 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1397941494 415387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet you still eat better than I do during termtime < 1397941509 673712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what about... salads? < 1397941515 290665 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that sounds like fine foods < 1397941530 906292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to eat pasta + parmesan cheese every night < 1397941546 587660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really don't want to cook in this horrific place < 1397941555 921628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I eat too one-sided but still I eat better than that < 1397941570 146109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then how will you feed yourself? < 1397941577 503809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eating out every day? < 1397941709 744134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does /home have 19 GB free? < 1397941738 621070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1397941738 847594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1397941765 137097 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go start buying bananas from 7-eleven < 1397941768 196866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df . < 1397941768 660361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory \ Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on \ - 40573996 6747216 31769748 18% /hackenv < 1397941771 390606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my (other) /home has 305MB < 1397941779 705566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397941783 287185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df < 1397941783 888575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1397941790 320099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/mounts < 1397941790 853921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 \ none /bin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/ 0 0 \ none /usr hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/ 0 0 \ none /dev hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/ 0 0 \ none /opt hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/ 0 0 \ none /lib hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/ 0 0 \ none /sbin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/ 0 0 \ none /lib64 hostfs ro,nosuid,relati < 1397941798 878761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/mtab < 1397941799 404339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/mtab: No such file or directory < 1397941800 670960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397941818 496754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that now < 1397941827 163964 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of eating candy as a hunger fixer < 1397941850 403870 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do seem to have found the one candy that I can buy and it actually lasts longer than a few hours < 1397941855 754411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cut -d\ -f2 /proc/mounts < 1397941856 230510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cut: not found < 1397941863 346911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1397941871 708952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's not quite "my other car is a Porsche". < 1397941882 567003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You missed a space. < 1397941887 260648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1397941895 210252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1397941898 324939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cut -d\ -f2 /proc/mounts < 1397941898 816576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ \ /bin \ /usr \ /dev \ /opt \ /lib \ /sbin \ /lib64 \ /hackenv \ /hackenv/.hg \ /etc/alternatives \ /etc/java-6-openjdk \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib \ /tmp \ /proc \ /sys < 1397941919 964373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(cut -d\ -f2 /proc/mounts) < 1397941920 487174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ /bin /usr /dev /opt /lib /sbin /lib64 /hackenv /hackenv/.hg /etc/alternatives /etc/java-6-openjdk /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib /tmp /proc /sys < 1397941923 271740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this /home has a whopping 34GB though < 1397941932 893927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of mount points :) < 1397941941 126012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really it's the pool that has it now, but /home can have it if it needs it < 1397941953 372977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: They're all UML fakey-mounts, to be fair. < 1397941986 852492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/alternatives. interesting. :) < 1397942004 936850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox | paste < 1397942006 326932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.18813 < 1397942014 374043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some internals there, if you're curious. < 1397942028 281518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I think I have give or take defined this language < 1397942057 449910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ought to have an implementation just so I can show people what exactly I mean < 1397942064 236238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, curious use of python, that looks like a shell script < 1397942079 540705 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack! It's nowhere near TC < 1397942108 279293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: At least there's no shell injection whatnots with subprocess.call if you mess up quoting or something. < 1397942118 385785 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397942164 972342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, point < 1397942224 799600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite the command-line, though; `foo -> nice ... umlbox ... env ... limits ... foo. < 1397942347 450471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :four other tools that also need to not mess up quoting < 1397942413 712669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /etc/alternatives comes from the umlbox --base-mounts flag; it automatically mounts (as read-only) the host directories /usr, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib32, /lib64, /etc/alternatives and /dev. < 1397942427 841956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except they're not shell scripts obviously (probably) < 1397942429 417002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shell script because of me, I think < 1397942431 744101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a python script < 1397942437 10263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell scripts are bad. < 1397942467 871594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cat ... | paste === url ... < 1397942472 387710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ~= more like < 1397942478 113110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except you can't do `url on that file. < 1397942497 693943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397942504 952781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1397942512 523436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397942512 708910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too special for that. < 1397942517 173724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1397942569 354822 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/e5136d69ece4682e6167c8f4a8122270236898bf < 1397942594 993150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's pretty much identical to https://github.com/GregorR/hackbot/blob/master/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox except for the commented-out /var/irclogs. < 1397942784 346140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably mean of me, but I keep hoping the OpenBSD folks will do something like the Debian no-entropy-for-you while they're stripping stuff of of OpenSSL. < 1397942844 481352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it inevitable that some bugs will be introduced < 1397942847 795808 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397942850 497248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bought bananas < 1397942912 537259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they might also find and fix them (easier?) now that the code is less bananas < 1397943037 234383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the debian what < 1397943078 893171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: https://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 < 1397943084 452800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you heard of it. < 1397943108 81295 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1397943123 700620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i even used linux in 2008 < 1397943153 525291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian patched some Valgrind warnings out of their OpenSSL, and incidentally also made all keys generated with that OpenSSL trivially guessable, more or less. < 1397943209 108817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a lot of weak SSH keys. < 1397943226 525482 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as in unfound bug? or do bugs that they introduce and then find and fix count? < 1397943252 946453 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i imagine there will be more bugs inadvertantly fixed than inadvertantly introduced.. but I guess we'll see < 1397943288 63982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ssh? I thought OpenSSL was pretty much separate from OpenSSH? < 1397943307 344735 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSH uses OpenSSL for its crypto though. < 1397943309 433308 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :openssh uses primitives from openssl including random numbers < 1397943325 99170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397943333 598207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397943342 546908 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because OpenSSL is not an SSL library, it is a complete library for everything even superficially related to crypto. < 1397943355 319015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, libcrypto and libssl < 1397943361 896931 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including, of course, SSL-without-encryption. < 1397943364 567040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that openssh used libcrypto though < 1397943367 395176 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397943367 580730 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397943399 173726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ldd $(which ssh-keygen) | grep crypto < 1397943399 814225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldd: missing file arguments \ Try `ldd --help' for more information. < 1397943404 621702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. Well, anyway. < 1397943406 750507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also OpenSSL has a terrible design, I used a tiny bit of libcrypto myself < 1397943416 126609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a terribly designed API < 1397943441 73473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I sure hope there will be more things fixed than broken :) < 1397943453 838061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, there are like 5 versions of the API, and it isn't clear which one is the recommended one generally < 1397943454 63619 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSL is a fun way to learn C. < 1397943454 880426 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1397943476 137715 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397943478 78194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, The internal coding style guideline is even worse < 1397943484 799741 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has guidelines? < 1397943486 661516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I assume it is < 1397943494 447132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well the *result* is terrible at least < 1397943498 101883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there are guidelines < 1397943525 238159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm i was wondering why deadfish got so low on that center thing < 1397943546 9719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i remembered that deadfish splitup... < 1397943551 910300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :StartSSL allowed for a free rekeying of affected certificates back when that Debian thing happened. < 1397943566 652832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i remembered something else. there are a lot of section links into deadfish. < 1397943568 446288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're sticking to their $24.90/cert fee for any heartbleed-affected ones, however.) < 1397943582 188730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1397943651 39660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any human involved in "earning" that money? < 1397943680 255010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do have a human looking over revocation requests, yes. < 1397943693 41377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ccache: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Error 24 < 1397943696 667764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was interesting < 1397943700 873214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Twitter has it some people have gotten their revocations for free, even if the official policy is that it's not. < 1397943714 85993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 < 1397943715 908942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists < 1397943733 651366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, why doesn't "this links here" tell whether links are section links twh < 1397943735 916415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, ccache --help works though < 1397943773 147042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #define EMFILE 24 /* Too many open files */ < 1397943792 131455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you have matching error numbers.) < 1397943808 343034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh that is weird < 1397943816 180446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is per process right? < 1397943839 856746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be. < 1397943852 994910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I probably should've considered section links as links to the page itself. < 1397943867 60191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Deadfish implementations10]]": I just realized the move broke section links to the original. < 1397943877 372483 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.29.210 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397943881 2959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ccache resolves to ccache-swig in the end < 1397943883 803015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :running that works < 1397943884 578287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1397943887 531438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file -s /usr/bin/ccache-swig /usr/bin/ccache-swig2.0 < 1397943887 734289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ccache-swig: symbolic link to `ccache-swig2.0' < 1397943887 734368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ccache-swig2.0: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x390684d9747dd1b7b2ea1a4e842962607f7306cb, stripped < 1397943895 618413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :running ccache-swig2.0 doesn't < 1397943897 843011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same error < 1397943904 605460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39378&oldid=39237 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+59486) 10Undo revision 39237 by [[Special:Contributions/Nooodl|Nooodl]] ([[User talk:Nooodl|talk]]) (Breaks section links and half the point of the article) < 1397943909 546124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use POSIX;print strerror(24)."\n"' < 1397943910 143101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many open files < 1397943953 529691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lol, swig provides ccache-swig < 1397943959 168767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actual ccache is not installed < 1397943962 26836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so weird < 1397944040 483741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what ccache-swig actually does < 1397944056 983896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :man page seems to suggest it is ccache with swig-support < 1397944060 247749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? I have no idea < 1397944116 602293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you have opinions on whether "that center thing" should optimally look at other namespaces in addition to main and Category? (E.g. User.) < 1397944192 14161 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try installing the real ccache? < 1397944220 602700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possibly Esolang: < 1397944229 405749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, just did so < 1397944235 213625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it replaced the swig one < 1397944236 446535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :User sounds dubious. < 1397944255 870718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ssh-keygen < 1397944256 411626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397944271 444887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(echo hi) < 1397944271 999237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1397944297 814738 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi; echo $? < 1397944298 385964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \ 0 < 1397944316 650996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongly connected component now 1303 vertices when considering also Esolang: and converting section links to links of the page. < 1397944324 152239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh and you aren't including the sidebar links are you? < 1397944333 152857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those also feel dubious < 1397944340 242651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just [[...]] in the article source. < 1397944343 264276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :include Special:Random < 1397944364 507277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which also means templates are not... what's the fancy MediaWiki word for expanding them?) < 1397944381 2660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transclusion? No, that was expanding with some particular semantics. < 1397944391 235342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm no kind of MediaWiki admin.) < 1397944431 541112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates "Templates are standard wiki pages whose content is designed to be transcluded (embedded) inside other pages." < 1397944523 282933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between transclusion and inclusion then? < 1397944543 927359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see some sort of general "distribution" engine. That worked on stuff other than compilers. It could work by creating a virtual environment on the remote machine, pulling additional files if they were opened (and then learning the behaviour of commands for the future, to avoid sending un-needed files, but send all needed files in advance) < 1397944582 147340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would send over the invoked binary and all dependencies if they didn't exist locally, probably building a hash-directory of files in /lib and so on < 1397944590 127335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ironically you can preclude text from transclusion using markup < 1397944613 953916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of fuse thing could probably do it? Maybe uml? < 1397944634 970753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( playing cludeo ) < 1397944642 309179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though I don't think incoming links *to* Deadfish should (and didn't seem to, after all) affect its (directed-graph) closeness centrality much, since it's defined as the average shortest-path distance to any other page when starting from Deadfish. < 1397944696 130719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think icecc is pretty close, it uses an archive that becomes a chroot environment for the command to run < 1397944730 381997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did bump the Markov chain stationary distribution number of Deadfish up from 0.000647 to 0.000648, however! < 1397944735 241248 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, having trouble finding the icecc you refer to < 1397944740 764749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has code for parsing compiler command lines and doing preprocessing locally, and such... so you'd have to modify it to do other things with it < 1397944750 735530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aka icecream < 1397944763 707791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does "Befunge/index.php" exist? <-- i vaguely think that's one of the "taken over after a spammer created it" pages < 1397944763 893142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh okay, yeah that helped find the correct one < 1397944771 586465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as elliott said < 1397944771 772552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CyrillicFez 5* 10New user account < 1397944834 858065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah it just seems like a centralized distcc really < 1397944836 751925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1397944837 743605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, < 1397944899 224747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArnoldC14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39379 5* 03CyrillicFez 5* (+192) 10Created page with "ArnoldC is an esoteric programming language created with Scala by Lauri Hartikka. The source is available [https://github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC here], along with tutorials and ..." < 1397944970 508496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I checked, distcc only worked on identical machines, but maybe icecc and distcc are more equivalent now < 1397944985 429960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397945008 52641 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone written AES in bf yet? < 1397945024 686517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah distcc does that, unless you do a cross compiler, in which case only the cross system root needs to be identical < 1397945043 454166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and that is only for pump mode, in otherwise just the compiler needs to be identical < 1397945057 983326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I was thinking some sort of transparent thing that would monitor resources used by the command to determine what needed transferring, So if it tried to open /usr/share/foo and that was not already sent over, it would be on demand. Then it would remember that access for the future, and if it was accessed consistently it would send that over on every run and/or cache it < 1397945095 697928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, dependency extraction from command line arguments would be tricky though < 1397945115 73316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could detect if a file was used that was mentioned on the command line, but I'n not sure about includes and such, < 1397945123 529153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few other random esolang statistics: maximum out-degree 858 ("Language list", such a surprise); maximum in-degree 376 ("Category:Languages", ditto). < 1397945132 694839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could manually write extractors for that, but then you would be back to specially handling all of that < 1397945150 13909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so who are the runner-ups? < 1397945154 71370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about non-category/list ones? < 1397945169 683768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a moment, I'll make a top-ten or so. < 1397945203 96507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiositty, how many edges do you have at the moment? < 1397945246 458611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10815 edges between 1781 articles, when not doing the strongly-connected component restriction. < 1397945265 806387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1397945275 1684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 10143 edges if collapsing multiple links to one. < 1397945295 732355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so there's no trouble with keeping them all in memory then :-) ) < 1397945301 957788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah icecream is nice, but not quite where I want it < 1397945313 236203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. There's even no trouble with keeping a non-sparse adjacency matrix. < 1397945339 147592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly no en.wikipedia, that's for sure. < 1397945348 256940 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic dependency tracking is awesome < 1397945365 467697 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the magic that lets CUPS get installed no matter what program you want to install < 1397945371 181784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, exactly, so a combination of icecream and tup I guess < 1397945381 148324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, heh < 1397945410 165189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, I was looking at it for a different context though < 1397945442 969816 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic: cabal install cabal-install < 1397945451 920690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: there's that awful application side of cups, libcups, that tends to pull it in :/ < 1397945464 395674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1397945482 700306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, http://sprunge.us/PDcj for a top-50 out/in-degrees. < 1397945499 772975 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: also most packages dont need it but lots of them have it enabled in the default "./configure" so all the binary packages have it as a dep < 1397945508 56276 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though there will never be a printer hooked up to my computer < 1397945514 228898 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every program requries it < 1397945537 867751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so basically Brainfuck in both cases for actual esolang < 1397945540 596414 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn it < 1397945547 341576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of those 461 in-edges to "Esoteric programming language" are probably first-paragraph "X is a [[esoteric programming language]] ..." stuff. < 1397945550 52017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, when did the firefox threads get distinct names? < 1397945553 517417 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuckers at my isp have blocked viooz now too < 1397945557 736220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, so use gentoo < 1397945561 851340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, where you can turn it off < 1397945566 976782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is that < 1397945575 483894 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: what makes you think i was talking about linux? < 1397945583 787312 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : newsham, so use gentoo < 1397945591 656286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that was a joke btw < 1397945597 543090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god < 1397945598 405934 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: why do you hate me? < 1397945599 323500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also there are good VPN services, I can recommend a couple < 1397945608 842962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, do I? That was news to me < 1397945614 528351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was surprised by http://sprunge.us/RdUT ) < 1397945616 811009 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you wanted to gen2 me :( < 1397945619 802954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, anyway what *are* you using then < 1397945637 977814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, it was a joke, you could just turn off CUPS there < 1397945645 922466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped using gentoo years ago < 1397945656 482381 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need vpn for? if its for avoiding geolocation, i know a proxy that is better than general proxy since it will geolocate you diff places depending on which site you hit < 1397945671 61579 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: freebsd (also ubuntu) < 1397945692 870278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Huh, that's so fancy. Thunderbird (well, Icedove) and Chromium threads have reasonable names, too. < 1397945693 346340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, well okay, with ports can't you turn flags on and off? I don't remember < 1397945697 630720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1397945721 10629 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you can do it manually in ports, but if you use precompiled packages you will get cups < 1397945728 446479 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the kevin bacon of packages < 1397945731 129493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? < 1397945733 26089 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more links than erdos < 1397945742 983537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | |-mate-panel-+-chromium-+-chrome-sandbox---chromium---chromium---3*[chromium---{chromium}] < 1397945743 188060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | |-chromium < 1397945743 188137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | |-chromium-+-chromium < 1397945743 188174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | | `-3*[{chromium}] < 1397945743 188210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | `-48*[{chromium}] < 1397945748 985939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like reasonable names < 1397945761 917077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly new, then: http://sprunge.us/NANf < 1397945766 742417 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397945779 479626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you need vpn for? if its for avoiding geolocation, i know a proxy that is better than general proxy since it will geolocate you diff places depending on which site you hit < 1397945790 797504 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :geolocation isn't the issue, it's the isp blocking the site altogether < 1397945824 724408 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then vpn it is.. there are lots of them.. usually around $10/mo, sometimes a little cheaper < 1397945829 89536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not debian stable I guess < 1397945840 654986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, this is on jessie. < 1397945840 859321 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397945843 480666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1397945867 916842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chromium 33.0.1750.152 Debian jessie/sid (256984)" < 1397945868 159011 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point in paying to pirate films... < 1397945882 497399 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paying to pirate films? < 1397945885 544509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, doesn't a proxy work for that? < 1397945902 564643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using jessie here, too. < 1397945919 454622 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: if you use a dns-based proxy it can proxy through different geo-sites for different services. vs a vpn where you pop out at a fixed point for the duration of your vpn tunnel < 1397945939 999050 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: i dont use it to pirate < 1397945970 126137 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it to stream tv from uk, fr, ca, ... < 1397945998 380708 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the legit tv station websites < 1397946000 605796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see /msg < 1397946010 224309 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they just geo-lock it based on ip addr) < 1397946016 887947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, ah true < 1397946090 559985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Presumably that's still pirating. (At least the Finnish public broadcasting company's site geo-locks those programs they have distribution rights only for within Finland.) < 1397946093 477109 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397946093 748560 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397946115 141602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what proxy do you use btw? < 1397946120 463867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess some of them might be less discriminating.) < 1397946125 828429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like one in US at times < 1397946129 21790 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: depends on who you believe. i've heard industry lawyers say that video taping tv shows is pirating and that copying your cd to mp3 files is pirating < 1397946136 442977 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the us govt stating otherwise < 1397946153 260233 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, lambdabot is breaking in -lens < 1397946163 149148 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Lawyers who hadn't heard of the Betamax case? < 1397946177 882730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1397946178 84280 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :041 : 12Integer < 1397946179 197663 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: overplay.net's smartdns proxy (they also have traditional proxy, i dont use that though) < 1397946182 303512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1397946191 794812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what is the difference? < 1397946205 326867 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, even lawyers who have heard of the case. the great thing about being a lawyer is that you dont have to agree with precedence or reality if your client doesnt want you to < 1397946232 637370 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: for smartdns you just configure your dns to point to them, they give back responses for certain sites that direct you through some auto-proxies of theirs < 1397946244 167736 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never run a traditional vpn program on your host < 1397946245 836270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, eh okay < 1397946249 493370 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, you don't get auto-disbarred for giving advice that is the exact opposite of what precedent and law explicitly says. < 1397946269 31160 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly a lawyer can just say "Sure, you can murder all who stand in your way". < 1397946283 724515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what about the traditonal proxy then? I assume that is a third option to the VPN < 1397946290 795523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you mean VPN < 1397946304 685646 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if all lawyers were required to agree with all case law there would never be any challenges to case law < 1397946304 889774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I only see smartdns and vpn on their site < 1397946324 963624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well you CAN murder all who stand in your way. < 1397946325 695539 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I use smartdns. i dont use vpn. < 1397946333 577501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just you might get in a little trouble for it. < 1397946343 475154 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm sure blackwater lawyers have given out advice along those lines in the past < 1397946348 227712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, right, but there was also traditonal proxy you said, I assume a normal HTTP proxy? < 1397946361 339839 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i meant traditional vpn, sorry < 1397946365 618653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1397946397 17765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what is their logging policy? < 1397946403 736445 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont know.. i never asked. < 1397946404 3705 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Note that this is a supreme court finding. Without changes in law there literally can't be challenges... By which I mean "in US legal practice, if the Supreme Court said pi was three, pi is three." < 1397946424 975050 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: there are dozens of proxy and vpn vendors.. shop around, i'm sure some talk about logging policies < 1397946450 200637 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can they get disbarred for disagreeing with a supreme court hearing when talking to the press? < 1397946456 938565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, if you just want a solid, fast and reasonably priced VPN provider in Europe I would recommend https://www.ipredator.se/ < 1397946467 303334 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is more or less the context i was talking about.. industry people telling the press that something was illegal despite case law < 1397946469 280522 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Getting disbarred is ludicrously difficult. < 1397946490 862324 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd basically have to shit on a judge. < 1397946555 479154 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the judge has to disapprove < 1397946561 932465 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some judges are into that < 1397946576 994519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, there are two zombie processes, I wonder if they have anything to do with it. < 1397946616 584167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only issues I had with that VPN provider have turned out to be on my end. I have a non-trivial setup where only a specific user account is routed through the VPN. This is a mess of iptables and multiple routing tables to achieve. < 1397946623 228712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397946636 923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered I have a race condition at boot in that setup that I haven't managed to solve < 1397946646 245968 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting disbarred also only applies to a given state... You can then go out and have a law license elsewhere. < 1397946676 304173 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if prenda lawyers cant get disbarred, nobody can < 1397946692 794276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: apparently, so restarting it helped. hmm. < 1397946692 998189 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you tend to only get disbarred by your state's bar association. i.e. an association of lawyers. < 1397946712 645671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(will have helped, once it's back in all channels) < 1397946742 392666 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say that it's about as hard to get disbarred as it is for a police officer to get charged with a crime. < 1397946830 32159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone's found an actual use for my groups Haskell library < 1397946878 738803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397946884 873018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 42 < 1397946894 717337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1397946921 702806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my current favorite supreme court ridiculousness is a consequence of facts, not pseudofact itself < 1397947037 340151 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I found my POSIX cat in befunge again < 1397947041 614620 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, go on < 1397947042 633264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put that up somewhere < 1397947051 396764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 that is < 1397947058 935527 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it handle the semantics of -u? < 1397947072 611363 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you remember the Myriad Genetics case < 1397947082 908534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, alas it is documented to the effect of tt being impossible in befunge-98 < 1397947092 815592 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no < 1397947096 251122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't even remember what -u does < 1397947098 135649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me < 1397947102 83156 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbuffered IO. < 1397947106 437866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the gene patents one? < 1397947115 915512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Yeah you can't do that from inside befunge < 1397947120 322056 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1397947121 6008 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. no FILE* junk. < 1397947125 702755 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read()'s fine though. < 1397947127 467197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why does gnu cat ignore it though < 1397947132 673860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conclusion was "you can't patent DNA, but you can patent cDNA" < 1397947139 311563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you can turn off buffering on FILE* < 1397947140 882281 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU cat uses unbuffered IO unconditionally. < 1397947146 43777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397947151 780552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 619710.906128/86400 < 1397947153 153859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.172579932037037 < 1397947160 458163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that seems inefficient < 1397947161 883698 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit like saying you can't patent some text, but you can patent some text that you produced by copying the text you can't patent verbatim < 1397947173 152120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, w...wat < 1397947189 969775 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1397947190 884658 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. It just passes read() a large integer, and then write()s the results of that out. < 1397947193 550864 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :supreme court can't into molecular biology < 1397947196 591824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Known bugs and limitations: < 1397947196 795216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Due to Befunge-98's command line argument handling, double null string < 1397947196 795308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : parameters will be treated as end of command line. < 1397947196 795346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Due to Befunge-98's standard IO limitations it is impossible to implement -u. < 1397947197 818952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ^ < 1397947204 710124 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cdna actually distinguishable from dna, physically? < 1397947233 863745 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly efficient in general, though it'll be fairly inefficient if the source is something crazy that only ever writes, say, 1 byte at a time. < 1397947244 463102 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to say, "hardly anything") < 1397947244 913495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right < 1397947257 866073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, maybe some sort of character device? < 1397947261 813514 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cDNA is isolated bits rather than the whole genome < 1397947273 194972 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not generally. < 1397947287 83163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The read() call will get the contents of the kernel char device buffer. :) < 1397947301 369703 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not just not sure, practically speaking, what patenting cDNA would mean < 1397947314 426461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is way too sparse befunge code btw, much too readable < 1397947321 106620 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also commented < 1397947333 690352 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, and so what, because you need to use the cDNA version of a gene to do anything meaningful with it, the patent functionally covers all uses of that gene? < 1397947336 484115 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not patenting the process to make cDNA, so anybody can do it, and you're not patenting the genetic information or transcription characteristics, which are not synthetic < 1397947340 655849 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "inefficient" here means "practical IO speed of, like, 15 MB/s" < 1397947358 961598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Also GPL3 for some reason, though I'll probably relicense it to some "do whatever, but credit me" deal < 1397947377 462890 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't even know. the decision's stated idea was that it's because cDNA is synthetic < 1397947382 461785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also what you're bounded by anyways, because that's the speed of your source. < 1397947384 7944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have used I/O devices much faster than that < 1397947406 172068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wasn't on a commonly available system though < 1397947437 660626 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that 1-char-at-a-time means that cat is reading from a device about that slow, meaning that it's... not exactly an issue that cat's also being slow. < 1397947445 554740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1397947454 461494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's no particular reason to *not* just use unbuffered IO. < 1397947457 855409 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a bit like taking a copyrighted photograph, cutting several chunks out of the middle, and calling the result a new product that is eligible for copyright." says a geneticist, since i'm not one < 1397947480 101073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: great, so now I can try to puzzle out why lambdabot would leave zombies behind, and how they affect @run. (by "lambdabot breaks" you did mean that @run produced (almost?) only timeouts, right?) < 1397947486 824950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the comparison is a bit interesting since i'm pretty sure if you were creative enough about your cutting that would actually be copyrightable) < 1397947492 353423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Anyway http://sprunge.us/RQIT < 1397947503 130006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, (yes) < 1397947504 909939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is pretty terrible befunge-98 code < 1397947542 181350 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cDNA is produced in the first place with reverse transcriptase, which is natural, just not naturally applied to human mRNA < 1397947573 462402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost kind of glad scalia had the guts to say "ok i don't know any of this science stuff" in his opinion < 1397947676 262318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the comparison is a bit interesting since i'm pretty sure if you were creative enough about your cutting that would actually be copyrightable) <-- yes I think the technical term is "transformative work" < 1397947730 926721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, why does the UK pretend it isn't European < 1397947741 914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1397947758 788196 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: big fan of lhooq personally < 1397947771 345282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, not sure what that is < 1397947785 782608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marcel_Duchamp_Mona_Lisa_LHOOQ.jpg < 1397947837 556576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, that is possibly transformative < 1397947852 668621 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably even < 1397947859 310114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know this is comedy, but have a look at the first quote here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yes,_Minister#Episode_Five:_The_Writing_on_the_Wall < 1397947864 479230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not a lawyer < 1397947935 566601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, hehe < 1397947996 635747 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used as an example of derivative work, i think < 1397948012 782917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the main recontextualization is that lhooq is half-french for "her ass is hot" < 1397948880 662127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/url < 1397948881 186099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ print ("http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/" + \ urllib.quote(sys.argv[1])) < 1397948911 798871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1397948912 563051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1397949957 420258 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397949989 819321 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397950201 443364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diameter of the wiki is 14 nodes; there are 24 pairs of pages that need 13 hops to navigate between them: http://sprunge.us/NHaM < 1397950209 599863 :DarthMater!~AnnHero@162.219.179.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397950244 837224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course there are several pairs of pages where you "can't get there from here", as they say, but ignoring those.) < 1397950265 269035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big's the second-largest connected component? < 1397950275 494630 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rather, how many pages are there not in the largest connected < 1397950323 748847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weakly or strongly connected? < 1397950368 128443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right digraph. uhhhh how about both < 1397950394 629746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1692 pages in the largest weakly connected component, and 89 pages in others, the largest of which has three (3) pages. < 1397950406 192520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/paste < 1397950406 824245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/paste < 1397950456 677299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1303 pages in the largest strongly connected component, and (obviously) 478 pages in others, the lergest of which have two (2) pages. (There are four such components.) < 1397950487 654808 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-ocssjavduaozdvut JOIN :#esoteric < 1397950487 879638 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-ocssjavduaozdvut QUIT :Changing host < 1397950487 879717 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1397950497 173585 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hellœrjan. thanks for reminding me I need to update the PDF when I get home. < 1397950515 717754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the records, the non-singular strongly connected components are {"SELECT.", "SELECT./Hello World"}, {"Preposterous Programming", "Preposterous Programming Language"}, {"Postfix notation", "Prefix notation"} and {"Esolang:Community portal", "The Esoteric File Archive"}. < 1397950515 903896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1397950578 581975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the single weakly connected component of three pages is {"Chalcraft-Green train track automaton", "Chalcraft-Greene train track automaton", "ChalcraftGreen"} but that's p. boring since two of those are just redirect pages, which this script interprets as pages with a single link to the redirect target. < 1397950725 716869 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397950793 404600 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1397950795 600060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test 1&>2 < 1397950796 966574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397950809 469830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test 1&>2 2&>1 < 1397950810 835640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397950826 798242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should look up the syntax. < 1397950841 30417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1>&2 if you want fd 1 to go where fd 2 is currently going. < 1397950888 378103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test 1>&2 < 1397950889 366491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1397950896 310066 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1397950955 848007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So ... >foo 2>&1 puts both stdout and stderr to file foo, while ... 2>&1 >foo puts only stdout to foo, and stderr to where stdout used to go.) < 1397951012 32817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm 1 2 # let's keep things tidy here < 1397951013 566103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951186 579367 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 2>&3 1>&2 3>&1 3>&- ;# swaps stdout and stderr. < 1397951250 848747 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397951327 88538 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though also clobbers fd 3 if that happens to be open. < 1397951331 757094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do a xor swap < 1397951419 649376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Don't you mean 3>&2 2>&1 1>&3 3>&- instead? At least empirically speaking that seems to work, while the former doesn't. < 1397951420 833676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/url < 1397951426 290821 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, yes, you are correct. < 1397951426 965151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-04-19 23:50:24 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/url [364/364] -> "url" [1] < 1397951438 69303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x url; mv url bin < 1397951439 440044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951440 269611 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't tend to futz with fd redirects that much. < 1397951443 302818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url test < 1397951443 999947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397951449 878542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /hackenv/test < 1397951450 532866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397951457 48895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1397951457 626087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1397951478 398142 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url // < 1397951478 946744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository < 1397951480 450777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's arguably kind of confusing that A>&B does essentially a dup2 of B into fd A. < 1397951482 694851 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397951496 314359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1397951497 419479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1397951504 434956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So meta.) < 1397951505 793233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test may not be perfect < 1397951512 948494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls // < 1397951513 512853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1397951514 25413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1397951518 13794 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397951536 454769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/repository/repository./' bin/url < 1397951537 515931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951548 46863 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, `url definitely doesn't handle '//' nicely. < 1397951566 816245 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, '//' is approx. utterly insane. < 1397951582 270127 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is implementation-defined whether or not it is the root directory) < 1397951596 28899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um what do you mean, that is _not_ in the repository. < 1397951605 353952 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397951609 666685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but //hackenv/x would be. < 1397951616 84746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok < 1397951620 311205 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/ < 1397951620 928204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397951632 66177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/test < 1397951632 805896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397951691 419718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's|^/hack|^/+hack|' bin/url < 1397951692 419515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951697 583612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/test < 1397951698 164863 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397951698 350968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397951712 683662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ^. < 1397951730 247880 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a special case, in the root directory, dot-dot may refer to the root directory itself." < 1397951733 669461 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may* < 1397951740 759202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/test < 1397951741 456650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397951744 396019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1397951760 292221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you fixed it? < 1397951768 595796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though sneakily in a query. < 1397951833 704211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that still doesn't handle .. etc. < 1397951870 812482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :os.path.abspath could probably do it, but really...