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01:25:32 <ion> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/function/package-summary.html
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04:05:43 <Sgeo> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/function/Supplier.html
04:05:45 <Sgeo> How functional.
04:06:15 <Sgeo> (ok, so it makes perfect sense in any impure language)
04:07:22 <kmc> is Java 8 out yet?
04:08:15 <kmc> java has lambda now
04:08:51 <kmc> truly the future is upon us
04:09:17 <Bike> "The CheckPerson interface is a functional interface. A functional interface is any interface that contains only one abstract method. (A functional interface may contain one or more default methods or static methods.) Because a functional interface contains only one abstract method, you can omit the name of that method when you implement it." incredible imo
04:12:12 <Bike> roster.stream().filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25).map(p -> p.getEmailAddress()).forEach(email -> System.out.println(email));
04:12:24 <Bike> love me some dot chains
04:13:35 <Sgeo> Without syntax support there tends to be difficulty interleaving multiple sources in a non-ugly (syntactically) way, what does that look like here?
04:15:16 <Bike> "local variables referenced from a lambda expression must be final or effectively final" weak
04:16:37 <Bike> i'm pretty excited to find out if "effectively final" is supposed to be reliable
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06:00:31 <kmc> does that mean mutability inference
06:02:20 <Bike> couldn't find a solid definition before i got bored
06:02:33 <Bike> basically "it could be declared final no problem"
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06:13:23 <shachaf> if i used Sgeo as a verb would people understand what i mean
06:17:23 <quintopia> something to do with every language beingc close to perfect but no cigar
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06:49:35 <fizzie> "A local variable or a method, constructor, lambda, or exception parameter is effectively final if it is not declared final but it never occurs as the left hand operand of an assignment operator (§15.26) or as the operand of a prefix or postfix increment or decrement operator (§15.14, §15.15)."
06:50:06 <fizzie> "In addition, a local variable whose declaration lacks an initializer is effectively final if all of the following are true: * It is not declared final. * Whenever it occurs as the left-hand operand of an assignment operator, it is definitely unassigned and not definitely assigned before the assignment; that is, it is definitely unassigned and not definitely assigned after the right-hand ...
06:50:12 <fizzie> ... operand of the assignment (§16 (Definite Assignment)). * It never occurs as the operand of a prefix or postfix increment or decrement operator."
06:50:15 <fizzie> In case you were wondering.
06:51:42 <fizzie> The definition (npi) of definite assingment is unfortunately too long to quote.
06:52:04 <Bike> very exciting.
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06:52:44 <quintopia> i'll be in your country in two days!
06:53:35 <oerjan> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
06:54:48 <quintopia> i might even have to eat your food
06:57:02 <shachaf> double letters are my nemesis
06:57:28 <quintopia> i will be avoiding it though, since i hear it costs half a day's dsalary to get dinner
06:58:26 <oerjan> and here i was wondering if it was still season for skreimølje
06:58:59 * oerjan also realizes he hasn't eaten it himself in a long time
06:59:39 <oerjan> shachaf: are you being stalked by the evil ZZ?
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07:00:57 <oerjan> `addquote <kmc> i came back here and misread my own statement as "fancy C++ mushrooms"
07:00:58 <HackEgo> 1191) <kmc> i came back here and misread my own statement as "fancy C++ mushrooms"
07:03:44 <ion> The reverse of ierks
07:04:34 <oerjan> it's cod, except not just any cod, but the best kind
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07:09:15 <ion> I should try it some time.
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07:22:19 <Sgeo> Wait, it shouldn't even be possible to write a forall f. (Functor f) => f a -> a
07:25:12 <oerjan> Sgeo: consider f = Const b
07:25:41 <Sgeo> shouldn't be = isn't
07:25:48 <Sgeo> So how do I deal with this:
07:25:54 <Sgeo> > class Walk p => Settable p where
07:25:54 <Sgeo> > mapping :: Functor f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b)
07:25:56 <lambdabot> from the context (GHC.Base.Functor f)
07:25:56 <lambdabot> it :: GHC.Base.Functor f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b)
07:26:20 <oerjan> also, can you use ~ on non-* kinds
07:26:45 <Sgeo> So, how would I dimap on the result of that mapping?
07:26:58 <Sgeo> It looks like I would have to write a (Functor f) => f a -> a
07:27:18 <Sgeo> Well, if I wanted another p a b
07:28:01 <oerjan> Sgeo: um that's a class it's not supposed to be implementable for all p is it?
07:28:38 <oerjan> for (->) it would be the usual fmap, no?
07:28:43 <Sgeo> Not asking for a fully general implementation, just trying to see how to use it to implement a... setter, I think
07:29:03 <shachaf> actually, never mind, don't answer that
07:29:06 <Sgeo> I think I may be pattern matching the dimap on usage of whatever a bit excessively
07:29:17 <Sgeo> \f g -> dimap blah blah . first'
07:32:13 <Sgeo> How do I make class definitions in lambdabot?
07:32:36 <Sgeo> Or maybe I do need the walk instance, which I don't understand yet
07:36:03 <oerjan> Sgeo: with @let class ...
07:43:03 <oerjan> also, happy International Workers' Day, you filthy capitalist americans!
08:00:47 <oerjan> i find your calendar to be off https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hug_Day
08:01:39 <shachaf> i'm referring to international hug day, obviously
08:01:59 <oerjan> stupid wikipedia redirects hug day to that.
08:02:23 <shachaf> imo linux should support hug pages
08:03:12 <oerjan> machines cannot hug. right fungot?
08:03:12 <fungot> oerjan: there now ensued a mighty fnord and foaming in the noisome pits; the awful formula which had yielded such nameless fnord the message in ordinary english. i boarded it and looked vainly about for the light fnord as i was pushed slowly and inexorably toward the
08:03:14 <kmc> every day is hug day
08:03:35 <oerjan> see, fungot cares nothing for hugs.
08:03:35 <fungot> oerjan: they now slid along at great speed, once passing and fnord another galley of kindred form, but generally it would produce no effect at all, but floated easily in the blue harbour, and watched at the head of the glen. someone telephoned the news to others and gather such troops as might be necessary.
08:03:36 <kmc> oerjan: http://pbfcomics.com/115/
08:03:42 <lexande> shachaf: international free hugs day is reportedly july 5 this year
08:03:52 <lexande> maybe your day is for nonfree hugs
08:03:59 <lexande> but that doesn't seem great
08:04:08 <kmc> free as in hugs
08:05:06 <shachaf> free hugs were invented when somebody left adjoint where a mathematician could find it
08:06:03 <shachaf> anyway, today is hug day, ok
08:06:12 <shachaf> i'm at least as reliable on this matter as wikipedia
08:07:17 <lexande> i feel like this day is pretty heavily booked already
08:07:48 <lexande> what with generic-month-change-thigns and maypoles and international workers and outdoor fucking starts today
08:08:49 <shachaf> oh, right, it's pay-rent-day or something
08:13:51 <kmc> mailman reminder day
08:18:09 <Taneb> Happy shachaf hug day
08:18:21 <kmc> every day is kmc hug day
08:18:38 <Taneb> kmc, is every day hug kmc?
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08:18:58 <Taneb> I did not mean to part
08:19:05 <Taneb> As I was going to say
08:19:19 <Taneb> Then I'm sorry I haven't hugged you on any hug kmc day so far, kmc!
08:19:31 * kmc hugs Taneb
08:23:32 <shachaf> Taneb: when you come to bayhac we can have a special hugs group where we refuse to use ghc and also we hug people
08:23:50 <shachaf> kmc probably won't be there though i heard he was invited or something
08:24:13 <Taneb> Unfortunately it will be a long time before I can bayhac
08:24:18 <Taneb> I am slightly on the wrong continent
08:24:28 <Taneb> And too much a student to be able to afford things
08:36:01 <coppro> you guys should meet halfway in waterloo
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09:03:20 <shachaf> ion: What were the restrictions on .fi domains, again?
09:03:34 <shachaf> Two-letter domains were generally reserved?
09:04:15 <ion> shachaf: https://domain.fi/info/en/index/hakeminen/kukavoihakea.html
09:05:47 <ion> shachaf: Yes. The last time i looked, a domain consisting of some arbitrary digit and some arbitrary letter was free. I ended up picking heh.fi.
09:06:31 <shachaf> I thought of using that pattern but I'm not so sure.
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09:11:47 <ion> s6.fi is free.
09:12:21 <shachaf> (But previously I tried to register a reserved domain name and it showed up as "free" and failed after taking my payment.)
09:12:36 <shachaf> (Which was refunded to my account as registrar credit. But still.)
09:14:30 <shachaf> s6 is slightly difficult to pronounce.
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09:15:43 <nortti> alternatively, /æsku:si/
09:16:46 <ion> or /æsku:s/ in spoken Finnish
09:17:04 <shachaf> imo swedish would also be valid
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09:23:13 <shachaf> 6f might be another option...
09:23:44 <shachaf> Probably starting with a digit is a bad idea.
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09:40:18 <shachaf> What's with low-contrast UI design?
09:41:13 <oerjan> shachaf: it's so we know who to put against the wall when the revolution comes hth
09:54:30 <int-e> shachaf: it's for people who buy modern displays and still set them to 100% contrast, 100% brightness.
09:56:29 <int-e> (I've never heard of low contrast UI design before.)
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11:24:58 <Taneb> Good afternoon, #esoteric
11:25:21 <b_jonas> enjoying the long weekend, if you have one?
11:26:03 <olsner> I stupidly didn't take tomorrow off, so it's a very short weekend today
11:26:20 <Taneb> I don't believe I have much time off at all
11:26:35 <Taneb> Although right now I don't seem to have much time on, either
11:40:00 <Taneb> Why is this weekend special?
11:45:53 <Taneb> Whoa, there's going to be a zoo opening in my university to relieve exam stress
11:46:50 <Slereah> Then you can watch animals in prison
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11:56:58 <Phantom_Hoover> you could go and do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ12DDe4ag0&t=42s
12:27:49 <impomatic> Someone here is interested in the history of computer viruses, but I can't remember who...
12:28:06 <impomatic> So I'll just leave this here :-) http://corewar.co.uk/creeper.htm
12:29:10 <nortti> at least the one did not explode
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12:33:37 <Slereah> impomatic : I like how it seems to be written on a receipt
12:33:37 <impomatic> No, nothing like that. Most users wouldn't even be away it had visited.
12:35:28 <Slereah> I remember reading a PhD thesis written in the 60's
12:35:45 <Slereah> Reading quantum mechanics on typewriter isn't fun
12:35:56 <impomatic> nortti: I'm rubbish at multitasking! Results in typos, talking nonsense, etc :-D
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12:40:26 <Taneb> I should write more things on typewriter
12:41:42 <nortti> are replacement "ink tapes" still available?
12:43:59 <Slereah> The NSA will steal your ribbons
12:44:16 <nortti> wasn't that just with electric ones?
12:44:39 <Taneb> No, just with the mechanical ones
12:48:44 <Taneb> I mean, the electricity scares the NSA away
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13:15:39 <impomatic> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaper_(antivirus) is one the most inaccurate pages I've seen on Wikipedia! 21 errors in 24 sentences.
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13:16:23 <impomatic> I would fix it, but my Spanish isn't up to scratch.
13:19:24 <Jafet> "En este suceso esta inspirado el enemigo final de la serie de anime Digimon Tamers" vital facts
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13:19:43 <Jafet> http://math.stackexchange.com/a/261036 "int 1/(x+1) dx = int 1/x + 1/1 dx = int 1/x dx + int 1/1 dx = log x + log 1 = log (x+1) + C"
13:26:57 <b_jonas> Jafet: http://www.xkcd.com/759/
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13:33:32 <Taneb> I wonder how long ago the minecraft side-channel was actually used
13:34:01 <nortti> what minecraft side-channel?
13:34:33 <Taneb> We used to have our own minecraft server!
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15:18:23 <Taneb> I'm going to ramble about data structures for a bit
15:18:33 <Taneb> I've had a bit of caffeine and sugar so this may not make sense
15:19:29 <Taneb> (by a bit of sugar, I mean it says on the bottle that in 250ml there's 29% of the RDA for an average adult)
15:19:42 <Taneb> (I've had about 7 times that)
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15:21:04 <Taneb> But I also want to be able to move things to the back of the queue?
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15:22:31 <Taneb> Well, it's less of a queue and more of a "everything has an associated time"
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15:24:45 <olsner> and the queue is sorted by the associated time? sounds like a priority queue
15:25:31 <olsner> but some of those are not great at removing/re-queueing items but rather made for popping the head of the queue
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15:34:38 <ion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming | http://youtu.be/m-wQhSuf6mM?t=1m50s
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16:06:38 <impomatic> Does anyone know what my gf is talking about?
16:07:33 <impomatic> 100000 individual videos on Youtube uploaded over the last two year, all showing a shape and a colour. She said it's part of a code?
16:12:13 <impomatic> This http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27238332 - weird
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16:44:07 <kallisti> would anyone happen to be familiar with openGL and also good design practices in C#?
16:44:30 <kallisti> I'm not really sure where else I would find someone to get advice from
16:45:00 <nortti> didn't you change your nick to spirity?
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16:47:06 <kallisti> basically I'm creating a class that wraps an openGL buffer objects
16:48:08 <kallisti> so most operations on buffers in openGL require that you bind a buffer as active
16:50:13 <kallisti> so I have a VertexBuffer Bind method that takes an Action<BoundVertexBuffer> callback. BoundVertexBuffer is a (public) nested type inside VertexBuffer that exposes OpenGL calls which require a bound buffer
16:51:02 <kallisti> supposedly public nested types are bad practice, but I'm not really seeing the drawback of using one here.
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16:51:47 <kmc> why are they bad?
16:52:13 <kallisti> I don't know man. That's why I'm using it. :P
16:52:25 <kallisti> I was hoping someone could convince me that they're bad or show me a different way.
16:52:30 <kmc> do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
16:53:42 <kallisti> OpenGL has to be the most confusing thing I've ever attempted to use.
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18:40:02 <fizzie> Huh, I just looked out of the window and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140501-sunset.jpg
18:42:31 <fizzie> It's probably compensating for the day being quite rainy.
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20:37:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Lucasieks]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39431&oldid=37909 * Lucasieks * (-491) Replaced content with "Talk with me clicking on ' ''add topic'' '."
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22:38:48 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 2d 22h 45m 4s ago: <boily> `` echo 'A mathematimu is a quantum of mathematics. If you observe it, its codepoint can change.' >wisdom/mathematimu <-- WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER TO MAKE `learn UNDERSTAND ARTICLES
22:39:12 <boily> oerjan: hellørjan. because I am dumb.
22:39:45 <boily> (also, I mistrust any sign of intelligence and practicality coming from the Silicon World. yes, fungot, I'm looking at you.)
22:39:45 <fungot> boily: of my frantic ascent of the slope whose presiding demon beckoned to me with pale faces when they saw the slim, deceptively fnord figure with its yellow hair and blue eyes, who are you?' a very strange person, believed to have been.
22:40:16 <fowl> f-ngot needs a couple seconds delay
22:40:20 <boily> fungot: my figure isn't that fnordish, you know. I've been training! also, I'm boily.
22:40:20 <fungot> boily: published in march 1924 in weird tales, vol. fnord, 44, fnord: arkham house, fnord
22:40:52 <fowl> ive always wanted an irc bot to sit in #(programming language channel) and ask questions that have been asked before
22:41:48 <Jafet> Like a reverse-robot9000?
22:42:30 <boily> you could always start with #haskell, and periodically post “have you read <insert monad tutorial>?”
22:43:45 <oerjan> sounds like a way to get banned.
22:45:25 <boily> have you heard of the work of our Lord Brainfuck-Derivative?
22:46:15 <elliott> no, you can't get banned from #haskell for being unhelpful
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22:46:27 <oerjan> boily: see http://dev.stephendiehl.com/hask/#eightfold-path-to-monad-satori
22:47:28 <Jafet> Look on the bright side, you'll get some humans banned as well.
22:47:48 <elliott> I mean, if I was in charge...
23:03:48 <boily> hm. still hearing opera singing coming over from the next apartment. I really wonder who the lady is...
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23:08:08 <boily> JE VEUX QU'IL FASSE CHAUD, TAB*****!
23:08:24 <boily> at least it stopped raining today.
23:08:29 <metasepia> CYUL 012300Z 22016KT 15SM FEW025 SCT090 BKN120 14/08 A2963 RMK CU1AC4AC1 CU TR SLP033 DENSITY ALT 300FT
23:09:36 <quintopia> i see metasepia still doesnt know how to translate metar to english :P
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23:11:02 <boily> la la la my bot isn't vaporware it transcends mere unimplementation la la la ♪
23:11:05 <quintopia> remind me what units that temp is in
23:11:11 <oerjan> boily: it was snowing here today hth
23:11:24 <boily> quintopia: Celsius.
23:11:28 <metasepia> ENVA 012250Z 28015KT 9999 VCSH FEW010CB SCT014 SCT024 03/01 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 29014KT
23:11:41 <boily> oerjan: yes, but you live in a country that Exists. I don't have that luxury here.
23:11:55 <boily> quintopia: it's an optical illusion.
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23:15:50 <boily> hm... that's a tough one...
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23:21:11 <boily> Eritzap: did you ever go to Iceland?
23:22:03 <oerjan> i had an air transit there once
23:23:03 <oerjan> Eritzap: boily likes to confuse people, also it was mentioned just before you joined.
23:23:48 <boily> ~duck stroopwaffeln
23:23:56 * oerjan smells a belgian (it's the waffles)
23:24:21 <metasepia> A stroopwafel (English translation: syrup waffle, treacle waffle, or caramel waffle; lit "syrup waffle") is a waffle made from two thin layers of baked dough with a caramel-like syrup filling in the middle.
23:24:41 <boily> by the look of it, it sounds delicious.
23:25:04 <oerjan> hm those aren't belgian
23:26:23 <oerjan> hm en.wikipedia has an article on rømmegrøt but not rømmevaffel
23:26:55 <Eritzap> I can tell they aren't Belgian waffles, and I know my subject, I AM Belgian :U
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23:29:35 <boily> Eritzap: vlaming or wallon?
23:30:43 -!- oerjan has set topic: The increasingly French speaking channel | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
23:30:58 <oerjan> maybe that should have been in french
23:31:13 <oerjan> Eritzap: well you just increased it by one
23:31:30 <oerjan> and boily keeps swearing in quebecois thinking we don't understand
23:31:49 <boily> ah tiens, c'est vrai qu'on est rendus avec plusieurs belges...
23:32:16 <boily> (I REALLY need to bring back Roujo in the chännel. we're being out-frenchcanadianed.)
23:32:35 <quintopia> boily: i could try to send you some if you can't buy them there
23:33:14 <boily> quintopia: well, I think I think I could find some places over here that should sell them, but I expect them to be waaaaay overpriced.
23:33:57 <Eritzap> I'm used to type and read english on the internet, so french is a bit unusual for me
23:33:59 <quintopia> well i'd have to find them myself first
23:34:52 <nooodl> Eritzap: that's a very belgian thing
23:35:09 <boily> quintopia: want me to send you something québécois on the way?
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23:36:19 <quintopia> can you send cuddles in the mail? the day that is possible, whoever does it will be rich
23:36:37 <nooodl> are cuddles particularly québécois
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23:40:28 <oerjan> it's just a letter off from curdles
23:40:39 * boily is raking his brain over trying to find something québécois, but not too heavy...
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23:46:17 <Eritzap> and I found out computing additions using only logarithms and powers are impracticable
23:48:47 <boily> Eritzap: did you take a look at SELECT.? → http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT
23:49:24 <quintopia> good job including the . in the name
23:49:36 <quintopia> boily: it doesnt have to be quebecois
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23:50:46 <boily> quintopia: Canadian, then.
23:53:56 <boily> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nem_chua.jpg ?
23:55:39 <quintopia> looks like it will definitely survive the postal system
23:57:01 <boily> we once tried mailing yak cheese from China. it didn't work.
23:57:31 <quintopia> now you gave me a craving for yak butter tea :(
23:57:35 <Eritzap> boily: well that's interesting
23:57:52 <quintopia> why can't they live in a normal part of the world.
23:58:51 <boily> I tried YBT. it was. it was...
23:58:55 * boily shudders in abject terror
23:59:48 * boily goes and fixes himself a stiff gin tonic...