< 1400976116 100829 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400976719 460911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you have multiple copies of a picture or audio with different watermarks, can you then detect them and tamper with them? <-- i think it should be possible to design watermarks so that even after your tampering, they can still detect which originally watermarked copies you used < 1400976740 293727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400976774 834251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if you get leaked copies from two sources, they can tell what the two leaks were < 1400976839 691909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may allow you to at least detect watermarks, I suppose, regardless if they can still detect it or not. < 1400976938 477939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39697&oldid=39696 5* 03Icepy 5* (+137) 10 < 1400976967 172528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for detecting them, in a sense that's just diff'ing the copies. < 1400977025 257853 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400977075 605210 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the watermarks don't cover the same area, and there are at least three, you could do a triple modular redundancy operation. < 1400977079 213506 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977121 41343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but that would be a bad design if you wanted to detect collusion in leaking < 1400977151 315109 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that'd both be just an easily automated subistitute for cropping and stitching the images, and also really bad practice on the part of the watermarker. < 1400977179 484188 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what collusion in leaking even means here. < 1400977230 132391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, someone using two or more different copies in order to try to make a copy that doesn't tell where they got the originals from < 1400977289 758161 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977442 234942 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400977442 345086 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1400977498 760751 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977670 156384 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400977685 342117 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400977712 223527 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977744 839807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also various kind of compression which is usable; by itself it won't help but may be usable in combination with other things. < 1400977757 943261 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1400977788 267113 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400978030 731690 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400978030 945830 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1400978370 978416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at several relevant wikipedia pages (Digital watermarking, Copy attack and Canary trap) none of them say anything about detecting this kind of multiple leak :/ < 1400978413 773351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that doesn't mean none of the systems listed have implemented it < 1400978435 961458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400978635 238124 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1400978775 570569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh it's actually simple: just make n non-overlapping watermarks and for each recipient leave _out_ exactly one. < 1400978780 286562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1400978803 519829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your tampering cannot remove the ones you don't have the source excluding. < 1400978855 118396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, i was initially thinking it might need exponential amount of data < 1400978882 868578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1400978903 955087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is wrong. < 1400978940 943920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that scheme, you can easily do MDude's trick if you have 3 copies, do get one with _all_ the watermarks. < 1400978950 413237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to get < 1400979002 38303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does require exponential amount of watermark pieces after all. < 1400979034 30398 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could remove all the watermarks for which you have examples of images lacking them. < 1400979055 914995 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'd need to be able to tell watermark from non-watermark. < 1400979061 826635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yes but that would make things _worse_ for hiding your set of sources < 1400979097 124049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it assumed that the watermarks are steganographic? < 1400979134 535793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd think that would be necessary to prevent removing them? < 1400979154 873260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. do such watermarks even survive, e.g. blurring? < 1400979187 377203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something in those wikipedia articles about robust vs. fragile watermarks < 1400979192 81773 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would sort of make it a non-watermark, though? < 1400979207 761036 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if it's hidden then no one can tell who marked it. < 1400979218 649546 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that is is marked. < 1400979238 570741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: um hidden if you don't have the key to detect it, presumably < 1400979287 473259 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of watermarks on art, which are often there basically as a signature. < 1400979307 812927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is watermarking for source tracing / traitor tracing < 1400979312 664829 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the general audience can't see it, it can't tell them it's yours. < 1400979323 459755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If each combination of watermarks is encrypted separately, there is no way to recover combinations from multiple versions < 1400979329 642362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically the opposite of visible signature < 1400979503 186961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traitor tracing was another wikipedia page i looked at < 1400980021 141033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i am failing to interpret the meaning of your line, you may wish to state some assumptions? < 1400980187 643906 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went with the assumptions that I assumed you were assuming < 1400980264 378452 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does getting multiple copies let you mangle the watermark, anyway? < 1400980329 506619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. averaging the pixels of two images? < 1400980366 841976 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, that would give you an image with both watermarks. < 1400980383 555565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a lot of copies, you can try to, instead of just averaging, use varying distributions at random. < 1400980424 276796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also still apply other filters < 1400980455 721039 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could pick k, then encode several watermarks such that any k images you distribute share at least one watermark. This mark can't be erased by averaging. < 1400980574 899558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still try cropping, if you don't care about the entire picture. If you don't even care about the quality, just draw a picture. Some things are not allowed to be photographed, but you can still try to draw the picture. If it is spoken dialogue in a movie or play, you can try to use shorthand. < 1400980636 928472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1400980655 405577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello shachaf < 1400980657 926901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, shachaf ! < 1400980677 262182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: oh come on, there are plenty of h's in there already! < 1400980680 931678 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One issue with drawing would be that it wouldn't neccisarily be considered reliable since you could jut draw whatever fake picture easily if you were a fake informant. < 1400980693 922255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also add in your own watermarks < 1400980719 712073 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, your drawing might be detected as yours much like a signature. < 1400980727 99935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Yes; you would have to assume that that doesn't matter, in addition to having a good quality copy of the picture also doesn't matter. < 1400980737 9945 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are watermarking classified information, you could replace some of the unimportant words using a language database, modulated by the watermarking signal. < 1400980766 625411 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edge detection might work. < 1400980786 843312 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only keep the lines that are important. < 1400980799 413115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You could do the same to tamper with it I suppose; how well a tamper work depend on the system. < 1400980822 606534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's precisely one of the methods described in wikipedia < 1400980837 878333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except for the modulation < 1400980879 72361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that, but wikipedia may have left a watermark in my mind < 1400980947 607862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang list of ideas has this: "Language with functions and classes that only draws/ describes pictures, and can be compressed into tight string. And can be used for image compression, so that if a compression program is presented with a picture, it tries to find the programs that draw at least some features on the picture. ... If compression is lossy enough, the result will look artistic in a strange way." < 1400980974 830745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such compression is possible, maybe it has effect on such thing? < 1400981030 558181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of drawing a picture based on another picture, you can also have, many people are making a drawing, again from many different copies, and then many people will put it into the computer. < 1400981134 400207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_trap < 1400981299 761409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try, Elon Musk < 1400981423 502274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course, internal conspiracies are another way. < 1400981458 907996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this somehow reminds me of once upon a time reading about a compression scheme using self-similar fractals < 1400981586 335622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no later than the 90s, at most < 1400981607 558631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no earlier than the 80s, for more obvious reasons) < 1400981906 184585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compression scheme using self-transforming machine elves < 1400981916 624938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Web browsers are a deliberately designed engine for remote code execution, a term which strikes fear into the hearts of information security professionals worldwide." < 1400981978 816432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one reason to avoid it (although, such a "remote code execution" can be limited; it just happens to be way too complicated in web browsers). < 1400982002 388124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, running the program on the server provides better compatibility anyways. < 1400982141 965306 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say a lot fo that comlpication is because browsers weren't made with that in mind, and in fact are more often than not designed with letting websites "control the user experience" as an unnervingly high priority. < 1400982153 725238 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like the whole idea behind autorun. < 1400982173 840248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autorun is also bad. < 1400982198 817214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tl;dr: use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption." < 1400982199 885445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that, but user experience may depend much on user's preferences and on suitability to devices and user interfaces. < 1400982286 677562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher menus are very well designed to be universal regardless of preferences and suitability to devices, however, this might not have necessarily been the intention. Nevertheless, it works well. < 1400982352 464313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autorun is a bad idea, however it may be useful to have a "autostart" option that can be turned on/off. Some game systems use this. < 1400982412 572878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can include functions in BIOS and hardware for protection of system when user doesn't want it tampered with by a program. < 1400982452 70450 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use encryption authenticated by diginotar's iranian RAs < 1400982678 631795 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started watching a Planescape Torment LP but it seems like the person didn't finish < 1400983005 96713 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400983070 256152 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400983240 255702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if you got an android device as a gift < 1400983317 277049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I might try to reprogram it, if it has a keyboard; if not, I will just give it back < 1400983360 851618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you wouldn't try to play android games? < 1400983407 500765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to reprogram it first, even though it still may run the Android system, I would want to make changes to it since the existing way has several problems. < 1400983529 830219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Towel Day! | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400983702 460569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I think that PSA can go by now. < 1400983746 328284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Towel Day! | PFFT! | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400983877 468658 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can person run a wiki < 1400983881 347886 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person < 1400983916 724565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: very stressfully < 1400984000 548462 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does text mode mean in bf survey? < 1400984032 456232 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my BF opinion: Cells should expand to the right, leaving the tape to the left should wrap around to the right-most cell. < 1400984045 224398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already did that joke Sgeo < 1400984048 837727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400984051 114190 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended in surreal numbers. do you really want that??? < 1400984052 133287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when? < 1400984062 580078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, like.... *waves backwards in time* that way < 1400984090 559143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd know when, if Gregor made the log search work again. < 1400984090 613357 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could stand to learn about surreal numbers < 1400984097 577261 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400984106 995895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wikipedia is thataway < 1400984145 153540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Survey monkey not so good. Rewrite the survey in SQL. < 1400984150 197293 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400984166 911133 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that statement remind me of Dr. Klaun? < 1400984172 694688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo don't get the book "surreal numbers", it's too thin < 1400984176 788396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which statement < 1400984179 79590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some (not released yet) extension which includes some statistics stuff and some other things too < 1400984198 88751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Survey monkey not so good. Rewrite the survey in SQL. < 1400984243 154703 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreal numbers < 1400984288 330383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google surreal numbers < 1400984288 934389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number < 1400984289 99578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Surreal number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1400984291 828759 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea the wiki page doesnt clear anything up < 1400984300 40349 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all mathematicians or something < 1400984305 337290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of us < 1400984309 678331 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he was a mathematician
< 1400984325 400276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a pseudomathematician as a kid doesn't count < 1400984329 149015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bikeologist < 1400984347 943800 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, I was into a lot of pseudo stuff as a kid < 1400984366 769616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember buying a Deepak Chopra book once < 1400984366 862146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not really a mathematician but I still do study and interest of mathematics. < 1400984378 582178 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was into pseudoephedrine as a kid < 1400984382 42928 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count < 1400984391 647939 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo was super into pseudo-dionysius. < 1400984397 796548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never purchased a book by Deepak Chopra, although I have read some. I have no intention to purchase such book. < 1400984402 287834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: 'snot counting < 1400984411 588175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Howveer, I do have intention to read it, sometimes) < 1400984466 130089 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you study pseudopods? < 1400984519 199716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log just checking < 1400984519 674742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/log: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1400984555 611302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: When would they fix that, you expect? < 1400984574 870806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am not sure he is intending to fix it. < 1400984598 966590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1400984643 130842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a stopped clock < 1400984661 512281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he hasn't done so yet, and it's been a while. < 1400984715 480566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because he moved HackEgo to a different server, might mean he doesn't want to use that much resources on a single one. < 1400984839 281702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if he instead copy the file per day, or something like that? < 1400984873 30401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would always be ten years behind? how census < 1400984949 216412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because people don't put work into something they don't care about unless they get paid for it. < 1400984952 926094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean copy yesterday's file to today. < 1400985069 115162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Altneriatively since now SQLite is installed in it, you could even make it into one SQL database file (containing for all channel, date, etc), with one "IRC" table having the columns such as: timestamp, sender, command, channel, message, receiver. (The "receiver" can be applicable to such things as a KICK command.) < 1400985089 34336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he won't do that because he doesn't care about it. < 1400985095 736146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're paying him. < 1400985138 561105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost? < 1400985209 184345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask Gregor for his contracting rate if he's willing to be paid for it at all, but I'm going to guess not significantly under $100/hr. < 1400985273 648625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is FlexibleContexts evil? < 1400985296 862102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400985348 37674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my secret conspiracy theory is that Gregor's not making the logs searchable because Aftran has threatened to sue him if he makes it possible to find his messages. < 1400985370 511275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly blackmailing < 1400985424 569669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: FlexibleContext is like the least evil extension which is only nonstandard because they cannot agree how to standardize it, or something, < 1400985427 830751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1400985432 42779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1400985464 659097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who make the copy of the logs will make it searchable, though. < 1400985505 791716 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo and glogbot are no longer run on the same system. < 1400985514 306142 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the one and only reason why the logs aren't searchable. < 1400985528 456018 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were searchable before because it was trivial to just link them into the right location. < 1400985540 752758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is perfectly understood; the reason is why you didn't put it on the same system. < 1400985581 536944 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that system was constantly running out of hard disk space so I wanted to move one if its chroots to another system. < 1400985600 504888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1400985632 687967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That make sense < 1400985661 523137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,( < 1400985698 939830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe is useful to have a copy, somehow < 1400985970 349702 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that brings us to elliott's point :) < 1400986010 266295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone else install a copy, though? < 1400986349 226073 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400986432 774562 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400987416 823242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This issue of 2600 contains the De Bruijn sequence for four-digit numbers. < 1400987430 760649 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400987485 996853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also contains a letter that simply says, "Can you see it?" (there is no attachment or anything else like that) < 1400987547 386304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a letter about the most durable telephone number. Is it Hotel Pennsylvania's "PENnsylvania-5000"? < 1400987690 333971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it durable < 1400987708 418341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had the same telephone number since 1930, and still do. < 1400987742 795885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1400987755 586650 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400987791 189250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn sequences are the best < 1400987810 7888 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400987878 303176 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400988176 621623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the name of the hotel matches the name of the telephone exchange, it can work very well! < 1400988759 589528 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brainfuck JIT can run some benchmarks that take ~6 seconds in interpreters, in about 200 ms < 1400988760 769671 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1400988817 212241 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also depends on the benchmark, some have many orders of magnitute in speed increase < 1400989297 647683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer tab separated values rather than comma separated values. < 1400989449 156639 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, as do I. < 1400989462 898295 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CSV format isn't *that* bad, but TSV is significantly cleaner. < 1400989622 170906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1400989664 702569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: how does it compare to esotope-bfc? < 1400989680 807034 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see < 1400989697 15507 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400989702 241654 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1400989707 338341 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope is in python... < 1400989715 487644 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400989717 469685 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates C < 1400989718 166281 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1400989728 199451 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have it there? < 1400989742 307302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google code has it < 1400989754 917997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mearie.org/projects/esotope/ oh, maybe it was rewritten < 1400989814 389594 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400989816 649459 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a python env here, could you compile this for me to C? http://puu.sh/9027N/3c9c70e514.txt < 1400989870 114330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I don't like about indentation sensitive syntax is that, often in a C program I will add some lines for debugging purpose and those ones are at the left part of the line rather than being in the indented position. Also, there are many kind of ways to indent based on other things, so sometimes it isn't quite indented only by blocks anyways. < 1400989879 484683 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400989925 154234 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do as many optimizations as esotope, though, so we'll see < 1400989961 762352 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that esotope seems to just run the bf program if it doesn't have any i/o < 1400989971 546257 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400989974 343034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't "just run" it < 1400989976 637598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that can fail to terminate < 1400989985 311547 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indenting for something thats not a new scope? :( < 1400989986 979773 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you got the idea < 1400989997 225652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1400990001 499569 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just able to optimize things quite a lot. < 1400990003 503946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just running" a program but always halting is sort of what optimisation is. < 1400990007 541021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: anyway, http://sprunge.us/gSeC < 1400990012 296134 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990017 419697 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk let me see < 1400990050 510912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: Yes, sometimes. One is case statements. < 1400990064 98429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is unindenting too like I described. < 1400990069 815742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs in 0.061s here < 1400990082 786923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with clang -O3 -march=native < 1400990098 366768 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990113 990441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that there's all that much genius optimisation you can apply to that C code, probably) < 1400990140 379325 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvc just removes the whole block < 1400990141 80399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, though 0.028s with gcc < 1400990144 618319 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaces it with the output < 1400990154 829755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, are you sure? < 1400990162 365792 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes 0 ms < 1400990167 640817 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me open it with IDA < 1400990168 81815 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1400990168 662074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard MSVC being very good at optimisation, so that surprises me. < 1400990193 952320 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very good at executing pure functions at compile time < 1400990207 322786 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400990224 282797 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that it didn't remove the whole thing < 1400990224 602642 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990280 887169 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiled code is still somewhat similar to the C code < 1400990309 239387 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400990363 547557 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, my JIT generates the code in 1 pass < 1400990367 242045 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400990377 483329 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll have to switch to generating an AST and all that crap to beat esotope < 1400990406 473660 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll probably be just as fast as esotope, though) < 1400990414 743607 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I find some optimization that it doesn't do < 1400990483 496708 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990599 624871 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400990633 484345 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400990994 993751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a virtual table module of SQLite for making a "horizontal union". For example: CREATE VIRTUAL TABLE VT USING HORIZONTAL_UNION(X ORDER BY X ASC,Y ORDER BY Y DESC); < 1400991103 64587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If X contains (1),(2),(3),(4),(5) and Y contains (1),(10),(100),(1000),(10000) then the result will be (1,10000),(2,1000),(3,100),(4,10),(5,1). Maybe it can be useful for some kinds of statistical calculations, or just if you want arbitrary matching. < 1400991148 189954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much about statistics? < 1400991227 903056 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a teenage statistic < 1400991691 932201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to have SQL extension to plot various graphics, such as statistical graphics and other things (such as geography and horoscopes). < 1400991692 768165 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400991859 321194 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is TupleSections not less evil? < 1400992024 489522 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400992049 713301 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400992154 11156 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400992155 705635 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400992626 821760 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400992710 595842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also harmless. < 1400992763 104409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mostly. actually TupleSections could get confusing if you forget an argument in a tuple. < 1400992772 133458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*element < 1400992936 942091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's evil for the same reason as the default ghc Monad and Functor instance for functions. < 1400992987 339858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like making Num instances for functions etc. < 1400993058 511686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's cute for pointless golfing but shouldn't be on by default. < 1400993078 506006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that argument applies to all operator sections. < 1400993093 688330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting a tuple element isn't really a very plausible error < 1400993094 977635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm touché < 1400993114 34853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll pretty much always give a reasonable type error, I think, since functions and tuples rarely mix < 1400993147 323159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's evil about sections? (- 1) < 1400993154 301516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1400993193 372962 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (- 1) 3 < 1400993194 932059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1400993195 52712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_113’ < 1400993195 108266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> t), GHC.Num.Num a) < 1400993195 108329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for ‘e_113’: < 1400993195 108366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num (a -> t), GHC.Num.Num a) => t < 1400993207 863049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did my life go so wrong < 1400993234 547288 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(- 1) is very evil < 1400993240 482888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a section of your life, don't panic < 1400993267 705727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-) 1) 3 < 1400993269 387729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1400993271 478140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially as it's towel day) < 1400993433 412753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1400993434 82927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (- 1) < 1400993435 168752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1400993446 830224 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1400993465 978419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well possibly not in SF yet < 1400993671 605853 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: bbs < 1400993819 845223 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994199 485682 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400994428 129941 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994542 2826 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994574 836937 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994604 959523 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400994742 228446 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400994799 655257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1400994853 524499 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400995369 123859 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400995430 63155 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400995788 867941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the unofficial RLA instruction of 6502 to do three things at once: Do a bank switch, clear the carry flag, and clear the accumulator. < 1400995848 819021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program also uses ANC, ALR, LAX, AXS, and DCP. < 1400995962 764874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANC saves a byte and two cycles over using AND followed by CLC. < 1400996085 227767 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, sometimes i think you're having conversations with people i can't see. this scares me. < 1400996166 310656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes *I* think I am having conversations with people I can't see, but I generally doubt it. < 1400996619 723406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400996621 280024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09ittlycoin 02ariolameriacoin 06rumcoin 13topcoin 04beckoutcoin 07selcoin 08pathcoin 09ischersetcoin 02prefcoin 06explocoin 13mumcoin 04recurcoin 07rhizacoin 08circumcoin 09dispathisincoin 02iabcoin 06tricoin 13clccoin 04chasecoin 07sartcragcoin < 1400996684 79375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversationswithpeoplecoin < 1400996905 259308 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisicoin < 1400996926 590875 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400998911 647141 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400999090 493587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vanbever.eu/pdfs/vanbever_turing_icnp_2013.pdf "BGP has the same computing power as a Turing Machine" < 1400999097 179706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hiyoto. < 1400999110 911037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :3 < 1400999114 534277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you having a nice time? < 1400999135 464667 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BGP is fun < 1400999152 540822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke BGP everyday < 1400999165 426419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit tired time, I don't sleep so well in planes. It probably shall pass. < 1400999484 620946 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kainzxrparzfmzkh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400999542 814629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long was your flight? < 1400999574 826292 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt know you could use (T[]){t1,t2,t3} in c ._. < 1400999598 552351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that standard or an extension < 1400999636 891419 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400999649 947185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is standard C99, although GCC lets you use it in some additional places < 1400999653 239510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Compound-Literals.html < 1400999661 693006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a wacky language < 1401000021 479510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 hours, or something like that. < 1401000041 92995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a 6-hour timezone change. < 1401000095 793403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is +3 (in summer), I guess here must be +9 unless I miscalculated. < 1401001142 93913 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401001458 128016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you learn yet about who is the boss of them all since 1992? < 1401001589 437641 :password2!~password@197.77.35.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401001646 6970 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401001969 750886 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401002231 255735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers the secret Rust attribute that lets you use private stuff from another module
< 1401002360 321936 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: woah high magic < 1401002498 513198 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/9 < 1401002742 286246 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401003775 139995 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401004485 731394 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401004504 763814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: when all you have is a brain, everything looks like a brain < 1401004505 236281 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mr president, commissioner, this report is very clear what is happening in that region of the european union should concern itself with all seas, particularly those not in paid employment. moreover, the commission sets up programmes to ensure that the objectives of the commission and the council to this question to the house. < 1401004546 179618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1401004546 462356 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we still take it for granted that there would not be our top priority. when species become extinct, they are not looking for scapegoats but are instead indicting the system. < 1401004579 69134 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401004832 458979 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401006707 262523 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401006905 818804 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401008136 711702 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401009712 495397 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401009727 976813 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401009980 156920 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401010076 96683 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401012195 715288 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013061 375379 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013143 985706 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401013217 167150 :password2!~password@197.77.35.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401013392 817344 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013416 91875 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013637 857906 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401014199 112395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401015018 99083 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401015018 184968 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401015960 622079 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401016044 850045 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401016141 292655 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401016343 860803 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401017043 846466 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401020003 171636 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401020205 693071 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401021053 978223 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401021130 170683 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401023460 171859 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401023478 80156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to fake in CSS3? < 1401023643 5648 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. yes. < 1401023782 506236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, can you give me a pointer without too much spoilers? < 1401023790 963822 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401024014 849383 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you have to think like a video animator, with @keyframes. < 1401024051 360599 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice demo, with transition effects → http://media02.hongkiat.com/marquee-css3-animation//demo/index.html < 1401024055 215032 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, bouncing marquees are a thing < 1401024386 114268 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401024464 104625 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401026575 436916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401027196 527645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anybody else here who feels that adding animations to CSS is wrong? < 1401027211 95006 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401027268 850088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("only" in the form of interpolation, but still.) < 1401027664 448239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1401027671 915281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two people just recently submitted bug reports for Burlesque < 1401028039 800701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I rather prefer CSS animations than Flash < 1401028049 304804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*over Flash < 1401028270 616684 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401028332 677768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The entire notion that web sites (which are not games or clever data browsers that use the time dimension to display data, or actual videos) need animations is wrong in my eyyes (literally more often than not) < 1401028393 169459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that I'm not going to win any fight against this trend that has already gone most of the way, but I can still complain.) < 1401028453 91998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that I even find Firefox' "smooth scrolling" feature annoying. I can switch that off though.) < 1401028465 372529 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth scrolling? bletch! < 1401028514 677682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another kind of smooth transition that developers seem to believe users like so much. < 1401028569 239894 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually quite amazing how much stops working if you disable js < 1401028592 318817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how much stops working if you disable http < 1401028611 657962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coming from phones and tablet where input lacks precision, so you have to extrapolate what you are going to achieve using visual feedback; and suddenly, smooth scrolling becomes a boon.) < 1401028638 828665 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401028651 144997 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean things that have no right to contain js, such as a download link that launches a script that parses a json embedded in thw page and the redirects to the file < 1401028658 954499 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1401028659 916000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah but you can still browse "the web": there are still a couple of gopher sites out there. < 1401028686 160587 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1401028700 698099 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ftp < 1401028774 974653 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are the infinite-scrolling webpages http://xkcd.com/1309 < 1401028990 470521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'll try disabling layout.css.prefixes.{transitions,animations} in FF. < 1401029268 95862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well... the "web" has become a plattform for desktop applications too < 1401029287 71168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kinda steers to being able to write os-independent applications for "the web" < 1401029321 974373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start to think of browsers as virtual machines like .NET/JVM < 1401029342 847838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry. < 1401029365 450952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not just hypertext anymore. < 1401029373 778569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mentally moves mroman from the "undecided" into the "problem" bin ;-)
< 1401029398 572171 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunatelly, some people tend to not realize what is an application and what is a hypertext page < 1401029717 335934 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401030070 880717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another late realization is that tracking URL shorteners are perceived as a feature. E.g. "But all things being equal, it makes sense to select [an URL shortener] that provides tracking." < 1401030098 770732 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :src? < 1401030100 863310 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1401030239 349395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: http://searchengineland.com/analysis-which-url-shortening-service-should-you-use-17204 (note the domain name, it goes with the territory) < 1401030294 945322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This - research? - was prompted by a visit to the bit.ly front page yesterday. < 1401030430 99303 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why I like dy.fi; no tracking that I know of and forwards will go away after month on disuse (I think) < 1401030694 225639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401030804 595655 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401031538 534407 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401031601 226824 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401031712 241209 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401032418 882527 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401032523 807906 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401033158 730312 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401034442 273839 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401034503 198201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401034558 220566 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401034825 356566 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401034870 583488 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035116 94994 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035269 578663 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401035269 688190 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1401035703 646259 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035852 140312 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035896 587482 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401035978 59872 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1401036244 512275 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401036244 697969 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401036244 698058 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401036254 602130 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1401036320 947050 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401036379 968320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. no I pushed one of my own warriors from the hill :( < 1401036382 395453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1401036517 279559 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pushed one of your now warriors? < 1401037031 80864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401037031 932662 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401037170 139202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's a virtual machine and an operating system < 1401037210 199265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsers have their own schedulers, memory managers, network stacks, graphics engines, UI toolkits, compilers, dev tools < 1401037929 265266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if Browsers had more source code than operating systems < 1401037962 964858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do < 1401037970 803729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining "operating system" is a tricky business < 1401037986 783895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-modular part of the Linux kernel is like 50,000 lines < 1401037993 317845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all packages in Debian is probably hundreds of millions < 1401037997 284230 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux kernel 3.6 has 15.9 million lines of code < 1401037998 817817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not billians < 1401038000 915271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions too < 1401038016 863217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually take "operating system" to mean something much broader than just a kernel < 1401038020 428823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fuzzy < 1401038024 852642 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows server 2003 is 50 million lines of code < 1401038109 125676 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is about 15 million sloc < 1401038197 624782 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038208 503393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo is only 100,000 SLoC but it doesn't do most of the browsery things yet :) < 1401038274 839070 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038287 143477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing the new HTML parser, which is about 4,000 non-blank lines and not done yet < 1401038299 106220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it will end up substantially smaller than any other browser-quality HTML parser < 1401038306 965564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the tokenizer part is like 6x smaller than others < 1401038321 687161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is it after macroexpansion, tho :P < 1401038326 601028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1401038333 156462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. IT's actually better not to throw spl 0 bombs o_O < 1401038504 95245 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401038579 835555 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web browsers are operating systems < 1401038585 272339 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just in < 1401038599 5892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is the new emacs?! < 1401038620 988329 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least javascript has lexical scope < 1401038623 306393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a coffeemaker plugin
< 1401038624 99343 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like actually a pretty nice analogy. < 1401038651 958950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ensure that servo has M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead < 1401038653 160566 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038667 867693 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I have pentadactyl installed on my firefox. no emacs for me! :D < 1401038683 329479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there actually is one called "Morning Coffee", but it's about opening routine websites in tabs < 1401038691 598208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought firefox had tab group bookmarks?) < 1401038695 900186 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit, I was going to observe that there is a counterpart to evil-mode and the like at least. < 1401038708 717332 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a htcpcp plugin" < 1401038713 386779 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-" < 1401038723 855962 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038749 922814 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401038757 27054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only looked for "official" addons) < 1401038820 562063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :htcpcp is a good joke at least. "The implementation of this should be via a plugin API for beverages in general, so that the Download Manager can brew a nice cup of tea [...]" < 1401038876 577792 :nooodl__!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039043 140769 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401039087 473552 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401039089 211213 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1401039103 845129 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039491 857623 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039674 272225 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039681 114775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm having a lot of fun hacking on rustc so far < 1401039693 456541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot less scary than GHC, although I'm having trouble putting my finger on why < 1401039708 720823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just that I know a bunch of the core rust developers and they're usually on IRC < 1401040126 646552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do the rustc sources contain the term "zonk"? (grep -r zonk . | wc -l in ghc's compiler subdirectory returns 907... and I still don't know what SPJ means when he talks about zonking.) < 1401040141 936164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I never asked.) < 1401040238 234734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something that ghc does to types, iirc < 1401040254 445871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope < 1401040263 777157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they contain plenty of other weird shit though < 1401040270 60616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which has been documented by https://twitter.com/horse_rust < 1401040439 623084 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401040522 602298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None None < 1401040562 797386 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401040601 881872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be something with <> characters that got stripped by twitter? < 1401040626 486531 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://charlie.su/screen_shot_2014_04_20_at_12.01.43_pm-e79630c4f193a5.png No < 1401040667 551564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, I see < 1401041017 358532 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401041282 95925 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401041495 17478 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401041654 749620 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401041654 964969 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1401041764 979802 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401042353 13941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there pinball simulation which you would write the programming for what happen when various triggers are hit and displaying score and so on are in 6502 machine codes? < 1401042391 471104 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, smoothed particle hydrodynamics should be adequate to represent this < 1401043417 223334 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401043535 95087 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401043695 789259 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401043738 223207 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401044062 355559 :nooodl__!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1401044557 271241 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401045105 98575 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401045335 196013 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing terrafirmacraft. I just set fire to the whole thing... < 1401045533 591309 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401045764 244380 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401045775 314282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to have some SQL extension for internet connection, both inbound and outbound connection. I don't know very well internet-base programming with C though it looks confusing to me. How would I do it? < 1401046759 834571 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401046791 478444 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401046967 944071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you wanna extend SQL with sockets? < 1401047528 202617 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1401048184 820703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401048216 129233 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidiecat < 1401048232 317156 :hvidiecat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1401048269 456969 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidie < 1401048322 146883 :hvidie!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1401048826 210890 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1401049121 251445 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdijyqrrwyyftsua JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049452 97499 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401049528 979419 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049601 70708 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049651 791069 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049835 402913 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049846 674052 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401050083 144432 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401050106 299682 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401050198 350897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401050561 182769 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401050764 73190 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401050996 29343 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401051855 247132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401053012 622175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that after next month I'll be living in a house with its own IRC channel < 1401053042 313517 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401053397 574956 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401053628 937844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i felt the new x-men movie was bad < 1401053630 383285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1401053733 627630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed it, possibly due to my position as someone who doesn't really care about X-Men that much < 1401053833 266201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it did feel a lot "Here's a bad thing, here's how we're going to fix the bad thing, we're fixing the bad thing, the bad thing is fixed" < 1401053855 805626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first x-men anything i watched though < 1401053870 635529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may put you at a disadvantage. < 1401053880 998345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even then i could tell the continuity was fucked) < 1401053888 14260 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401053894 792655 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god yeah, but that's true for the entire franchise. < 1401053987 126713 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401054234 392218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean it was fucked wrt to the other films, i mean it was fucked in its own reference frame < 1401054290 86365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, how so? < 1401054301 589832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the time travel mechanic being ridiculous < 1401054376 317478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, future-wolverine remembers a bunch of interesting x-men stuff happening in his past < 1401054400 75259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in his past peter dinklage built a robot in the 70s that killed everyone so how does he remember anything else < 1401054429 208920 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The robots didn't get going until the 2020s < 1401054490 817440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, I'm watching the elections coverage and it is making me sad < 1401054543 585957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are the results coming out now? < 1401054547 2766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1401054553 747178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :North-Easts are out, at least < 1401054564 370564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 labour, 1 ukip) < 1401054565 234524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all vote ukip < 1401054575 378404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not much of a change yet < 1401054580 27648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably good < 1401054588 32330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sharp rise in UKIP < 1401054588 771580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, gah < 1401054591 892550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I saw it was +2 < 1401054594 941721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a lot < 1401054597 775303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only 4 results have been called < 1401054600 334469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is, rather < 1401054607 232366 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something called "National Front" won a bunch of elections in France. < 1401054618 479130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side nick griffin fucked up the hashtag on his tweet after he lost: https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/statuses/470672756724748288 < 1401054655 114598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not doing as badly as france at least < 1401054687 381490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, until this election, the candidate I voted for lost outright < 1401054717 545062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping that UKIP get lib-dem-ized < 1401054741 815538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a fringe party that starts looking serious, inadvertently ends up in power and gets completely humiliated as a result < 1401054762 987237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ukip are doing well because people with no political views beyond 'i'm vaguely annoyed at the current system' will vote for anyone promising a new alternative < 1401054769 433066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously these people voted lib dem < 1401054797 965137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually liked the lib dems though :-( < 1401054801 892367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the european elections won't do that because nobody actually knows what their MEP does, and ukip sure as hell aren't going to tell them < 1401054819 747479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you seriously suggesting people switched from lib dem to ukip? < 1401054828 850524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do, I got a bunch of election propaganda because I've written to my MEPs in the past < 1401054836 217954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather suspect ukip is getting their votes from ex-tories instead < 1401054837 573107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think he is, and even though it makes no political sense, I can believe it < 1401054859 642192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ukip has gained a lot of ground from labour too, from what i've read < 1401054879 151683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the newspapers were spinning this as ukip vs. labour < 1401054890 899161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any scotland-specific EU parties, btw? < 1401054901 29312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly don't know, see previous statement re MEP < 1401054902 434219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, do the SNP run in the EU elections < 1401054916 42586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: labour I can believe too < 1401054916 883563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they do < 1401054920 891048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lib dem seems like an entirely different crowd < 1401054997 51354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well the political situation in Birmingham University is mostly lib dem versus labour < 1401055017 30243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I supported the Conservatives (up until the last election), I was a huge anomaly < 1401055062 517640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid the people who capital-c Care about politics, but in my social bubble it's seemed Lib Dems vs Green < 1401055074 477503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably more representative of my social bubble than of York < 1401055079 531284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that says a lot about how the maintream parties are getting on, really < 1401055095 778761 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401055133 979996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pretty well, you mean? < 1401055154 532590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the UK really needs three serious parties to avoid becoming like the US < 1401055159 696896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and atm, I'm not sure it has /any/ serious parties < 1401055312 238656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US has two parties because its political system is a joke, not the other way round < 1401055318 76627 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401055335 497970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: more like it's a feedback loop between the two < 1401055350 880054 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say, there's that whole thing about the voting system causing two party lockin < 1401055377 485432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and two parties having strong incentive not to fix the system in turn < 1401055385 273428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite < 1401055388 882162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend summarised up the US as "a democracy designed by people who were terrified of democracy" < 1401055413 132576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the stalemate-ridden legislature, the 3 cogs of government each smoothly locking the others in place, etc. < 1401055427 900521 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked up the procedure for running a third party in my state once, basically you have to pay ten thousand dollars and get a bazillion signatures. dems and republicans don't have to obv < 1401055501 665911 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401055506 924826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise you were in the US, Bike < 1401055535 222614 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401055535 276233 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401055540 576235 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved here from luxembourg, shouldn't everyone know this by now < 1401055563 199919 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well with the cogs of government, only the legislature is particularly democratic. < 1401055594 949688 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1401055598 523513 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the legislature with 90% encumbency < 1401055600 906381 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The administraation has the president, who's elected, but most of it consists of the cabinet. < 1401055609 90290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in the UK, if you want to run as a candidate, you have to pay quite a bit of money but it's refunded if you get a reasonable percentage of the vote < 1401055624 339754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :£500 and 5% for Parliament < 1401055628 525373 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to do that even if you're the tories < 1401055630 27523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :£5000 for EU < 1401055635 852919 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As oppossed to the supreme court, which is unelected and set for life. < 1401055642 282777 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I believe you do < 1401055650 422721 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there you go then. < 1401055653 884631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the tories always get the refund < 1401055657 297972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or almost always < 1401055668 861221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally they don't in a particular constituency, but it makes the news < 1401055669 336832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like they can't afford it < 1401055683 65669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so unusual < 1401055683 186651 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think primaries would get democrats and republicans past any hurdles with fees. < 1401055702 187274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401055711 3158 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just decide whoever you want and then you have a huge party putting cash behind whatever canidate it is. < 1401055728 289899 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*candidate < 1401055734 399069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember an interview with some ukip guy saying how they were going to break into scotland, and the interviewer was choking back laughter for the whole thing because ukip to date haven't even come close to recouping their £500 here < 1401055859 451643 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's honestly kinda weird that primaries are government-regulated... < 1401055874 972151 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in theory, primaries are a purely internal affair of the political parties. < 1401055885 438401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the party system seems to be weird everywhere. < 1401055888 87852 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I dunno what's up with that. < 1401055914 196305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well because the two parties are the government, right? < 1401055921 261746 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general you become a member of a political party at the time you register to vote. < 1401055969 804815 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True facts. < 1401056013 762825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that re. parties, US has the opposite problem to Australia < 1401056049 788294 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the US has numerous other really weird electoral problems. < 1401056083 483808 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as the fact that the actual election of a president is by a handful of electoral college members. < 1401056086 489467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia's system seems to be quite favourable to small parties in general, while still being harsh on individual small parties < 1401056319 633629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :East Midlands results being announced < 1401056344 21890 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP 2, Con 2, Lab 1 < 1401056372 960532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexed (backwards each) . indices odd %~ (*2) $ [1,2,3] < 1401056374 465450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘(->) s0’ with ‘Data.Functor.Identity.Identity’ < 1401056374 561988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [f b1] -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity (f t) < 1401056374 616724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: Control.Lens.Type.Optical (->) (->) f s0 t a0 b1Couldn't matc... < 1401056374 616789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a2) < 1401056374 616825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> b0’ < 1401056378 837626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1401056431 834956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you want "indexing" < 1401056477 92819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1401056485 641469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexing (backwards each) . indices odd %~ (*2) $ [1,2,3] < 1401056487 210970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a1 < 1401056487 315998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a1) < 1401056487 371093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056487 371162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056487 371199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a0 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056491 267767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THEORY < 1401056555 323541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, traverse rather than each < 1401056574 774240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe. why would that matter? < 1401056621 821957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it works in ghci < 1401056635 726603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you're right < 1401056638 464892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't < 1401056650 757671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1401056671 674373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd %~ (*2) $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056673 82357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a1 < 1401056673 265610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a1) < 1401056673 320753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056673 320836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056673 320904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a0 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056680 554405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't help < 1401056693 450293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1401056694 321806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c < 1401056695 565060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056696 949906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a0 < 1401056697 78012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a0) < 1401056697 170204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056697 170281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056697 170321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a1 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056712 842826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that's even shorter < 1401056718 902548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still no deal with lambdabot < 1401056732 208507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why doesn't lambdabot handle this :( < 1401056749 534297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd) *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056750 873943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a0 < 1401056750 959300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a0) < 1401056751 14902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056751 14973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056751 15008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a1 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056777 169190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd :: Traversal' [Integer] Integer) *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056778 307134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(GHC.Integer.Type.Integer < 1401056778 392321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> f GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1401056778 446713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 GHC.Integer.Type.Integer (f GHC.Integer.... < 1401056778 446780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056778 446818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a0 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056835 903466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd < 1401056836 784338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘a -> p0 a1 (f b)’ < 1401056836 903826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’ < 1401056836 958660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible cause: ‘indices’ is applied to too many arguments < 1401056875 63545 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indices < 1401056875 948568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> [i] < 1401056879 727531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah < 1401056886 888215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1401056892 827811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly stuff < 1401056896 347220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (indexing (backwards traverse) . Control.Lens.indices odd) *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056897 483593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Control.Lens.indices’ < 1401056897 538316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1401056897 538376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.indexed’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401056897 538411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.inside’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401056897 538449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.iuses’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1401057018 802695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e Why doesn't lambdabot have Control.Lens.indices twh < 1401057018 987551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401057326 214160 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401057382 895650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now released a SQLite extension library. If any of you use SQLite, maybe it can be useful for you in some cases. < 1401057396 104948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because Array, I think < 1401057406 740788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org/1sqlite http://zzo38computer.org/sql/sqlite.zip http://zzo38computer.org/sql/sqlite.txt < 1401057407 854710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: import Control.Lens as Lens < 1401057408 967799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Lens.indices < 1401057410 32888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable i p, Applicative f) => (i -> Bool) -> Optical' p (Indexed i) f a a < 1401057411 939302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.indices < 1401057412 866412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘L.indices’ < 1401057425 423866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOST ODD < 1401057425 552847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I hid indices because < 1401057426 291619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indices < 1401057427 205295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> [i] < 1401057433 265784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably the lens one is more useful < 1401057435 315923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEAST ODD < 1401057440 9033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...MOST EVEN? < 1401057502 95700 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401057520 661911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i got it tested and my SO comment made < 1401057552 94674 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401057555 257962 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realise GHCi exists? < 1401057641 949318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i am a haskell exhibitionist < 1401057648 632706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1401057661 856499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i have winghci open in another window already) < 1401058454 842837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say that SQL is not a real programming language, but I don't agree with that!!! < 1401059183 64441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pinball game seem to be designed under the assumption that a free game is worth a lot more than anything else. I disagree; I think that it is usually not worth much at all but that precisely how much a free game is worth depends on the situation. < 1401059316 302651 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401059390 85432 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401059448 747157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type indices < 1401059449 556656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> [i] < 1401059459 463328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Control.Lens.indices < 1401059460 461038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable i p, Applicative f) => (i -> Bool) -> Optical' p (Indexed i) f a a < 1401059474 810325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's there, but array came first. < 1401059510 191433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indices < 1401059511 297998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Control.Lens.indices’ < 1401059511 450846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1401059511 505059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.indexed’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401059511 505144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.inside’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401059511 505182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.iuses’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1401059554 962595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to guess module abbreviations is annoying, though. < 1401059555 743698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1401059576 156224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indexed < 1401059576 925329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type cheats < 1401059577 490326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable b0) < 1401059577 632288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M678612761240765152220706.show_M6786127612407651522... < 1401059577 688001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1401059577 688076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1401059577 688114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable Data.Dynamic.Dynamic < 1401059579 491537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘cheats’ < 1401059581 494211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘chars’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Lens) < 1401059605 962246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indexed < 1401059607 372950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable b0) < 1401059607 479979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M21213410986786399420731.show_M21213410986786399420... < 1401059607 535473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1401059607 535544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1401059607 535580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable Data.Dynamic.Dynamic < 1401059613 59577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to know that it does import qualified Control.Lens as Lens < 1401059620 419142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Lens.indices < 1401059621 658206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1401059621 756595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Control.Lens.Internal.Indexed.Indexed) < 1401059621 811741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M462241670695368513520745.show_M4622416706953685135... < 1401059621 811798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘e_1’ < 1401059621 811842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘i0’, ‘p0’ are ambiguous < 1401059631 139630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where l.hs < 1401059631 277493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lambdabot has in scope is at < 1401059632 77733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but Control.Lens.indexed _does_ work... < 1401059636 274558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be updated < 1401059715 276638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1401059715 420161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1401059721 551851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indices < 1401059722 818097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1401059722 916447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Control.Lens.Internal.Indexed.Indexed) < 1401059722 971110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M550549437821123700020776.show_M5505494378211237000... < 1401059722 971174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘e_1’ < 1401059722 971210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘i0’, ‘p0’ are ambiguous < 1401059737 645270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did the same for the other uses of "hiding") < 1401059749 893803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that "R" is System.Random? < 1401059773 821616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologise for contributing to the mess of the qualification. < 1401059776 256925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly looks random hth < 1401059781 670943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh my, that's outdate < 1401059782 998870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1401059852 1910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/config/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs is closer to the truth. < 1401059888 679589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1401060286 936991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Μ < 1401060287 492694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+039C GREEK CAPITAL LETTER MU] < 1401060303 401613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah now i understand < 1401060448 692243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39698&oldid=39653 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-4) 10Lowercase template should work as it's a greek capital M. Also intro format. < 1401060484 176963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39699&oldid=39698 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10less space < 1401060626 405651 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401060800 59938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that FIXME looks like it has already been fixed? < 1401060807 725409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where l.hs < 1401060807 850374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lambdabot has in scope is at < 1401060837 751837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ l.hs What lambdabot has in scope is at < https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/config/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs> < 1401060837 882331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1401060840 783993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where l.hs < 1401060840 920488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lambdabot has in scope is at < https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/config/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs> < 1401060856 607175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ l.hs What lambdabot has in scope is at < 1401060856 769949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1401060865 881384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401060897 952259 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1401061141 322664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "-c" < 1401061143 517363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "-c" < 1401061193 521266 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401061315 852670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39700&oldid=39692 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Ordo Novo < 1401061376 313262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops *Novus < 1401061585 635923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39701&oldid=39691 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10wat. < 1401061889 517431 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401061956 934534 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401062056 262237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39702&oldid=39609 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10consistent punctuation < 1401062120 176967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stuff got out of order; as far as I understand, the comment also applies to deriving instance Show (f (Mu f)) => Show (Mu f) ... anyway it wasn't added by myself :) < 1401062155 380324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never said it was.