< 1401840225 830451 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401840341 385569 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401840519 970034 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401841312 237219 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401841676 950261 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a little bit overwhelmed by all those minecraft mods. just a little bit. in fact, I'm completely terrified. < 1401841733 821199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just finished baking in the middle of the night < 1401841762 407029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :midnight baking. that's one activity I never tried yet. < 1401841772 186851 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(midnight coffee and other fluids, tho...) < 1401841772 331214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book said "about 2h", but I think it took more like 5 < 1401841784 458197 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you cooking? < 1401841800 697258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, the last hour and half was more watching a movie waiting for things to cool down < 1401841823 566274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least 1h of dough raising time < 1401841862 600866 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something bready. < 1401841933 49779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_roll but I did them different shapes and only half the batch with cinnamon < 1401841960 749585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other half with almond paste < 1401842036 552372 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooh... < 1401842115 478859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something ostensibly like http://lillafavoriten.com/wp-content/uploads/bild-32.jpg, but not even nearly as pretty) < 1401842303 566234 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. very weird. that may be the first picture I ever saw that progressively loaded to the left. < 1401842317 288620 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1401842325 722481 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :954 is out? :D < 1401842344 200546 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: something about Fettisdag, and that special royal pastry. < 1401842410 356006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably loading progressively from the top, but also includes jfif tags saying it's rotated < 1401842430 369898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can also give you progressive loading from the bottom < 1401842468 36003 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401842493 781480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nah, just ordinary swedish fika ... my turn to bake for tomorrow < 1401842599 2258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fettisdagen is before lent, whenever that is < 1401842656 50742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, anyway, good night < 1401842676 513058 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bolsnernne nuit! < 1401842999 871490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-45-222.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401843040 270403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, is it... regular... ordinary swedish fika < 1401843109 383572 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-214-98.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401844121 397929 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-214-98.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401844162 238273 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII < 1401844200 848862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily needs more chicken < 1401844201 229486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401844214 993859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401844595 463143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401844799 91416 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401844816 119814 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401845631 531292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with .json extensions? They say nothing about the meaning of the thing, just the format? < 1401845701 27196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that true in some sense for most file extensions < 1401845712 981165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xml < 1401845825 328366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1401845848 414531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've seen .xml, I may have been hallucinating .json < 1401845856 823342 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401845857 18478 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1401845857 324867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen .json < 1401845871 217278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML files may or may not describe their own meaning internally < 1401846185 611497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ a method's local variables can have automatic or static storage, but I wonder if there are other langugaes where you can also do object storage < 1401846197 972152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the variable implicitly becomes a bit of member data, which is only visible within that method < 1401846213 372856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really possible in C++, where you need to know an object's layout without seeing the implementations of all its methods < 1401846257 22290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem fairly useful, though < 1401846294 736307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly good for concurrency < 1401846312 55219 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes this different than member variables of the object? < 1401846319 143213 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than scoping < 1401846326 931049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implicitness < 1401846345 581581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is you have a method that has some local variables, and they're made into fields of the object rather than locals of the function < 1401846395 168312 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a purely syntactic distinction < 1401846453 148989 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, no? < 1401846459 810978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp: scoping is the whole point < 1401846468 610740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes a static local different from a file-level static or a global? < 1401846486 396307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the answer is time of initialization, but i'm ignoring that for the moment) < 1401846518 396656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these would be initialized on first call, like static locals, because you can't name them in the constructor or initializer list) < 1401846522 424309 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that varies by language too. But yes, the fundamental difference is that two functions can have different 'static int foo's < 1401846527 826459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I don't remember if that's guaranteed threadsafe) < 1401846590 131499 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-ncsimigjqhxafdok JOIN :#esoteric < 1401846783 191230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR g++ has a global lock for all non-POD local static initializers, which is not great < 1401846796 589841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I am very bad at pinball, even when sober < 1401846839 445925 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is what the generated code suggests. Or what it did last time I looked at this, maybe a year ago. < 1401846843 560961 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is being good at pinball even possible < 1401846857 847142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the machines showed much higher high scores than I could attain, but maybe they were hacked. < 1401846872 1810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a top 10 score on Asteroids and Tempest, though, which I found weird < 1401846875 168137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they reset them frequently < 1401846885 230351 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asteroids like, spaceship, shooting? < 1401846888 517685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've said this before but original vector Asteroids is amazingly beautiful < 1401846891 522289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401846965 732143 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1401846983 578456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I noticed the lines are not perfectly smooth because the DAC has only a 10 bit resolution < 1401846993 737577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could fix that with a switchable low-pass filter < 1401847162 235641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> dinner < 1401847470 483428 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: vector displays are too pretty < 1401847478 118039 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss my analog scope :( < 1401847487 900777 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jj2baile: has it now < 1401847724 636317 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401847823 993878 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401848011 457010 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401848851 293102 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the reason the docs on x3dom.runtime were empty is because they killed x3dom.runtime < 1401848866 979648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip in pieces < 1401849093 663950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they didn't < 1401849113 705170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip in one piece < 1401849137 527655 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401849614 470345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web pages can independently open view-source: urls now? < 1401849620 907251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't even say view-source: in the URL bar? < 1401849625 662635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this world coming to? < 1401849665 644466 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7BnMnr-KSY this should explain < 1401849674 673516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the world is coming to < 1401850148 440087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ the only reason I realized I left this 'CORS EVERYTHING' extension enabled is because something that relied on CORS broke < 1401850149 777241 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ :/ < 1401850152 927646 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401850166 396560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header contains multiple values 'http://threejs.org, *', but only one is allowed. Origin 'http://threejs.org' is therefore not allowed access. " < 1401851059 753849 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401851720 757112 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401851992 396198 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401852609 134408 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401853273 960345 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401853441 134885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401854294 410372 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401854294 591806 :ter2!~tertu@41.sub-174-238-224.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401854312 11405 :ter2!~tertu@41.sub-174-238-224.myvzw.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401854777 778292 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401855015 978753 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401855641 713967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello party people < 1401855698 772873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like hangover < 1401855713 591470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not literally) < 1401855748 758584 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401855886 72560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : at the moment, i'm calling a middle ear simulator written in C, from matlab. <-- well you cannot expect labyrinthic code to be bug free hth < 1401855919 922130 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401855921 406406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks some things up < 1401855922 916007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I get it. < 1401855954 268400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was kind of hung over today < 1401855959 971950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDDLE ear, FUCKER < 1401855968 679631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1401855982 32120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the problem was just a buffer overflow < 1401855984 519594 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:317b:bb01:795f:bf29 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401855988 5109 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like normal for those to fuck up malloc data < 1401856004 717043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brazilian coworkers and their caipirinhas < 1401856013 292755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if it's a heap allocated buffer, yes < 1401856020 511913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc metadata is typically stored right next to allocated blocks < 1401856023 483120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, and here i was thinking i was interesting < 1401856029 248135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the main ways of exploiting heap overflows < 1401856055 815687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the allocator does something like "foo->prev->next = foo->next" and you control those fields, then you have a write-what-where primitive < 1401856081 138814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you should play http://io.smashthestack.org/ < 1401856089 261268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is clearly highly relevant to your work in computational biology < 1401856126 899788 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1401856175 225610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i guess my pun should have been more anvilicious :( < 1401856252 473758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i just felt shitty due to only sleeping 4 or 5 hours last night < 1401856254 398566 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably have made it more clear < 1401856257 355880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no fucking idea why that was < 1401856257 998916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1401856263 544104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol may have been a factor < 1401856398 784893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your favorite alcohol < 1401856398 929231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 2. compile the externally-called files. ( the resulting combination. ( `next from' is likely to get two versions of some other intercal compilers; types are calculated at compile time, at least to the c temporary files to object files and include files, and this is a more portable way to pop the top of the resulting value being discarded. < 1401857237 135124 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a browser that's not afraid to break compatibility with the web < 1401857259 133864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that webmasters can strive to meet compatibility with, but is more secure for users of that browser < 1401857273 713202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No cross-domain cookied GETs and POSTs < 1401857295 447081 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that could make the site less secure for other browsers, if those assumptions are relied upon < 1401858131 341948 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :var split = true; < 1401858131 486495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : if(split) < 1401858135 248514 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o...k.... < 1401858142 855908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/schteppe/cannon.js/blob/master/examples/threejs_fps.html#L185 < 1401858202 900553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god that stays dead, not plays dead < 1401858211 559630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we have various ideas about this kind of thing < 1401858214 876597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for perf not security < 1401858227 383562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "asm.css" where you opt in to a faster layout algorithm that disables certain corner cases < 1401858254 533283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and new APIs like getBoundingClientRectAsync() < 1401858297 265178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, is NodeJS likely to start using generators when they're available? < 1401858304 853246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make them well-integrated in the stdlib? < 1401858309 789436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make me actually look at it < 1401858370 528456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see http://jsfiddle.net/B85pH/2/ < 1401858410 157319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have. < 1401858411 602253 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. < 1401858424 83617 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... can't be part of the JS standard? < 1401858429 614853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is, now < 1401858445 70689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty bad if your implementation had to account for the possibility that *any* function call could change the caller's scope < 1401858452 561135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wrt this particular power, `eval` is special syntax < 1401858505 24463 :M28__!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401858510 730567 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, thought it was a security thing. Make it blatanly obvious when eval is being used < 1401858521 108576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice side benefit I guess < 1401858564 92220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do setInterval and family also have this power, or just eval? < 1401858590 150994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, imagine what it would be like if setInterval *did* < 1401858603 84060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.bestofmicro.com/silent-pc-passive-cooling,8-C-367068-22.jpg < 1401858636 349856 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to try it, then realized that.... wait, hmm, maybe it could... no... can't pass both a string and closure in, can I? < 1401858693 309588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why eval with explicit environments is the superior eval < 1401858705 752281 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401858723 943495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I dearly hope not even JS has a way to say "change the variable x in my scope in some random amount of time not less than some constant". < 1401858767 591095 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Rebol has... < 1401858782 233288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab does, probably < 1401858818 875354 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i found out there's an undocumentedmatlab dot com, disproving the existence of god < 1401858895 666562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't really count: var foo = [0]; < 1401858895 811022 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setTimeout(function(){foo[0] = 1;}, 5); < 1401858895 955564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setTimeout(function(){show(foo[0]);}, 10); < 1401858956 298785 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, give me yield... < 1401858969 123321 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, can't you just do it with los clojures < 1401859018 368939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried it by assigning to foo directly instead of modifying array if that's what you mean. Worked. < 1401859031 21817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam < 1401859170 680719 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah there's that java 'randomly change all ints in the vm at random intervals' thing too < 1401859197 218445 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterminism ftw < 1401859247 746472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true become: false < 1401859263 784472 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sounds like a good feature for intercal < 1401859277 854683 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for security testing, ovviously < 1401859301 50478 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true become: false. makes things go blank on Pharo 3.0. false become: true causes things to freeze < 1401859306 925336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardened Intercal < 1401859311 319482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem here is just "race conditions exist". < 1401859314 636603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECal < 1401859318 27078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just shared memory. < 1401859332 340835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would suck if messing around with this actually did something screwy outside the Smalltalk VM < 1401859494 18473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet everything will go fine if you switch true and false both at once < 1401859501 720882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :become: swaps, I think. < 1401859513 855521 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they have different consequences then < 1401859540 575082 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i was just talking about races, bike" yeah well you wouldn't help me think of a good name < 1401859582 504993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it does, although I didn't think it did < 1401859602 631013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott confirmed for jerk with dumb face < 1401859614 1049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :( < 1401859750 305075 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://24.media.tumblr.com/f7ad90b05a4a5ff18783b09ed2de9d45/tumblr_n6kcs32i921rk8yano1_500.png < 1401859891 194507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a BYOND game.. graphics for the dialogue are better though < 1401861685 578956 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpcgjcqgttdsdxbp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401861706 679146 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401863906 544844 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1401877225 532124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong. (I saw earlier that lambdabot joined #nicta-course, so it didn't seem urgent to reply) ... for how long is this course taking place? I can add the channel to lambdabot's configuration so it will rejoin by itself when restarted. < 1401877231 411938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1401877238 796507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing privmsg. whatever. < 1401877360 593749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was a privmsg < 1401877365 387457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a channel privmsg < 1401877454 205806 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't see any privmsg < 1401877478 164059 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you should read more irc spec < 1401877558 834678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are correct as usual, but you probably know what I intended to say. < 1401877569 744767 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401877574 289941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NOTICE #esoteric :Not a privmsg. < 1401877576 890094 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401877594 864920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary messages sent to channels are privmsgs, technically speaking < 1401877601 896213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e's notice is not a privmsg, but it's one of the few things that isn't < 1401877606 255474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that this is a privmsg too < 1401877626 975431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IRC spec won't save you this time, read the CTCP one < 1401877643 102439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes it will, PRIVMSG and NOTICE are defined in the IRC spec < 1401877647 525003 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 NOTICE #esoteric :test. test. un deux un deux check. < 1401877662 537038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQUERY is too < 1401877667 251474 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody uses that < 1401877676 100018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but then you will never see any emotes < 1401877678 269495 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a SQUERY? < 1401877695 54627 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a message to a service < 1401877697 222475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just unmotivated \001 thingies < 1401877714 175596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, according to the spec, bots are supposed to talk only in notices < 1401877716 398205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid botloops < 1401877730 328095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's generally ignored because mIRC's interpretation of the spec tends to outweigh the actual spec < 1401877737 463346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in terms of users getting annoyed at you < 1401877753 511230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mIRC treats all notices as pingworthy by default, for whatever reason) < 1401877768 48044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the IRC commands should just have had better names < 1401877790 249522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why would anybody POP UP a message box for a message that by specification is deemed less important than a privmsg?) < 1401877800 935077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if NOTICE were named REPLY ... < 1401877810 171221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(following ais523' thought) < 1401877833 974622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1401877852 853372 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, the mIRC thing pisses me off < 1401877856 687477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a privmsg targeted at a particular nickname, not a whole channel. < 1401877857 158445 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with regards to color codes < 1401877883 102037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish a server operator had had the spine to say "no, fuck your stupid spec, I'm filtering out your color codes until you fix them" < 1401877891 555736 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1401877891 697732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc said 9h 21m 30s ago: needs more chicken < 1401877903 654134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: /set hide_colors on keeps me calm and happy < 1401877910 715914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that was my solution too < 1401877911 981781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(irssi) < 1401877923 190567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the way you do that's different in Konversation < 1401877931 872200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, the best response < 1401877934 304632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to write a bot < 1401877940 5844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where whenever anyone uses a mIRC color code < 1401877943 714304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it replies with a notice < 1401877948 542046 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc I couldn't chicken yesterday, I was minecraftedly disturbed. < 1401877948 641708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401877960 57154 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahaha < 1401877972 178283 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that doesn't solve the problem < 1401877990 997525 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that mIRC has a fundamentally broken spec, and everyone else follows along because mIRC has an insane and stupid amount of momentum < 1401878043 308642 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of any individual user's preference to colors, the implementation is flawed, and implementations should insist on one that works (like the one in the CTCP spec) < 1401878069 4413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: where did I write that it solved the problem? "calm and happy", ignorance is bliss. :P < 1401878092 468643 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doesn't solve the other big problem, which is that people use mIRC < 1401878187 1797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I just can't seem to get worked up on *this* minor problem (unlike many others). < 1401878330 469231 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: IRC is an extremely heterogenous spec. It is frustrating that there is no standard. < 1401878345 997552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the RFC, which has bad design but that no one has actually stepped up and shot < 1401878362 986608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with mirc's colour codes < 1401878381 51211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an increasing variety of server-specific controls, as the proliferation of IRCds get their own modes (sometimes really bizarre ones) and services become more integrated with them < 1401878405 524038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the increasing trend towards centrally adminsitered networks also leads to more of this < 1401878427 307852 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They are ambiguous < 1401878440 229064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are string/colour combinations which cannot be expressed < 1401878684 576692 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Ceci n'est pas un code de couleur < 1401878816 514134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401879342 235770 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmpp would probably be much better but irc has an insane and stupid amount of momentum < 1401879664 967327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MOMENTARY CHICKEN < 1401879705 769937 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401879978 882272 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmpp is a basis for a protocol I thought, rather than an actual protocol? < 1401881820 621563 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401881860 651199 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1401881882 360829 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401882565 698746 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401883438 43037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401883926 914987 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401884516 540640 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401884895 118690 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401885733 853234 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401886911 593491 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401890536 716938 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: re. colour codes/unrepresentable strings, do you have any example? < 1401890599 762120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK ^C04 is legal for switching to red, and can't be confused with anything else < 1401890634 341500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-digit variants are problematic though < 1401891213 14740 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401893056 177654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What if you want ,10 in red? < 1401893074 788414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the default background < 1401893336 729151 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401893537 534763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401894232 681173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^C is CTCP, the %C spec is mirc < 1401894592 548493 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401894672 393552 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dcoj.wmh3.com/cscos/h/ this is going to be the next big thing! < 1401895012 956613 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401895117 956755 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1401895315 625047 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401895345 559514 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rftsrrvduldswxjz JOIN :#esoteric < 1401895720 921425 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401895729 281832 :mellifluous!~frait@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401896102 461951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the address of a static object to identify a resource is pretty handy < 1401896116 751688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the linker takes care of assigning unique IDs, even if you have dynamically loaded plugins and what-not < 1401896720 333121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing dlopen()-style plugins in Rust is really easy < 1401896727 159542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no particular reason it wouldn't be, but still, I was pleased < 1401896733 641264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no typechecking, though :/ < 1401896889 582971 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401896894 946361 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401897841 494541 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401898303 917206 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401898640 875435 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401898806 799162 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401898833 617196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-222-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401898952 482105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-47.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401899337 774494 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401899373 980318 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401899822 607914 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401899979 563258 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-233-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401900615 201866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401901940 58785 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401902781 636957 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :lawspeaker < 1401902788 363170 :lawspeaker!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401902830 641341 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401902886 585184 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :lawspeaker_ < 1401902927 147730 :lawspeaker_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1401902931 470252 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :lawspeaker < 1401902950 569343 :lawspeaker!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :nortti < 1401902978 302686 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :lawspeaker_ < 1401902989 622237 :lawspeaker_!nortti@109.74.197.6 NICK :nortti < 1401903124 40554 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401903269 326294 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401903288 977518 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Politics are overrated < 1401903734 592582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: hm oh, good point < 1401903754 940436 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CTCP is ^A, no? < 1401903770 287362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, whatever < 1401903914 364981 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401904108 342284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1401904125 997855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^A is CTCP, ^C is colours < 1401904140 161412 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Test < 1401904148 714915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,01 < 1401904164 529244 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out < 1401904179 519628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-47.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401904268 476846 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-177.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904553 513453 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904591 620438 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1401904625 393160 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904717 102648 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401904952 159106 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^A is used to introduce a CTCP command. But CTCP specifies other control codes, like ^C for colours and a few other formatting characters < 1401905002 138401 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that < 1401905190 621418 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just aren't widely implemented because mIRC < 1401905217 878103 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's basically because Khaled went "here's how I do it" and presented a poorly formatted spec, and then resisted all efforts to fix it to something sane or get him to use the spec everyone else was using < 1401905225 874568 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other irc client dev is as stubborn, so he won < 1401905381 164425 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric computation medium: pulleys http://vimeo.com/93042377 < 1401906105 598721 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401906356 606410 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 954 < 1401906365 519271 :nortti!nortti@109.74.197.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erh < 1401906380 528850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've already had that one. < 1401906389 165969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that HackEgo was up back then. < 1401906419 282418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or now. < 1401906445 155125 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IN TWO MINUTES < 1401906468 925255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: quick, you can make Bicyclidine be wrong if you hurry! < 1401906489 481538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an incentive < 1401906505 668690 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i am known for never being wrong < 1401906532 99552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey it might work. < 1401907149 958581 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< int-e> coppro: /set hide_colors on keeps me calm and happy – Aww, but then you can’t see when idris-bot is showing the unit value vs. the unit type. < 1401907477 219172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401907519 857936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( () < 1401907519 912524 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04() : 12() < 1401907551 862254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (.).(.) < 1401907551 917512 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Control.Category..: < 1401907551 917657 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: Prelude.Basics.., Control.Category.. < 1401907599 161043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( with Basics ((.).(.)) < 1401907599 494734 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:Incomplete term (09.) 09. (09.) < 1401907606 378424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1401907610 784187 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boobs? < 1401907653 729302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1401907985 127511 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (HVect [Type, (Type, Type), (Type, ()), ((), Type), ((),())]) [((),()),((),()),((),()),((),()),((),())] < 1401907985 189607 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[12(12()12, 12()12)04, 04(12()04, 12()04)04, 04(12()04, 04()04)04, 04(04()04, 12()04)04, 04(04()04, 04()04)04] : 12HVect 04[12Type04, 12(12Type12, 12Type12)04, 12(12Type12, 12()12)04, 12(12()12, 12Type12)04, 12(12()12, 12()12)04] < 1401908179 940419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1401908249 266304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ty the < 1401908257 572820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I guess I can just do < 1401908259 827773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the < 1401908260 188274 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1401908283 193233 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t the < 1401908283 247222 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1401908289 598418 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc the < 1401908289 656017 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> (13x : 13a) -> 13a < 1401908289 656151 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Manually assign a type to an expression. < 1401908289 656241 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arguments: < 1401908289 656328 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13a : 12Type -- the type to assign < 1401908289 656416 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13x : 13a -- the element to get the type < 1401909243 266464 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((),()) < 1401909245 122336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((), ()) < 1401909254 715155 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k ((),()) < 1401909255 293044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1401909286 665882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401909388 90124 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401909703 591757 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401910038 5404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/uFF9LsFg spot the backdoor < 1401910086 108543 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1401911694 724851 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401911707 269040 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401911907 796112 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401912238 401205 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401912241 582675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401912847 356835 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Please explain. < 1401912890 409002 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with C deals with arrays in function parameters < 1401912896 539246 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it doesn't :V < 1401912928 372852 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so master_key is just a uint8_t*. < 1401913040 444457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler: http://codepad.org/bDAlhNYy < 1401913072 701250 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nice. < 1401913077 288456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses a (probably) 64-bit key, which is enough to seem secure, but not actually secure < 1401913080 291942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1401913101 992993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's enough to be secure against casual attackers, even, but not against the NSA < 1401913115 374973 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where was this code spotted? < 1401913132 346910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1401913142 13029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it from someone on IRC who got it from someone on Twitter < 1401913186 903823 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposedly somebodys own code < 1401913200 599963 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a deliberate backdoor, just a dumb error < 1401913209 869432 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they said they accidentally backdoored their own code < 1401913212 52395 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably: if it was a backdoor you wouldn't tweet about it) < 1401913227 136086 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/aris_ada this individual < 1401913495 874004 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401914643 308545 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401914734 386951 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401915282 560744 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401915286 809430 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401915306 246571 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401915423 597009 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401915521 934420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/alice_bliss_robo_take_our_drug_or_programming_language_quiz.html < 1401915653 244000 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401915958 873040 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-216-46-79-198.dsl.nyc.megapath.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401916327 763999 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401916885 721968 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rftsrrvduldswxjz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401917240 32084 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgbndwxtajdwdnbf JOIN :#esoteric < 1401917753 426989 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401917756 631125 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401918747 979043 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT : < 1401918764 349521 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401918894 597483 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-177.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401918978 250245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-85-179.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401919577 689845 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: . < 1401919801 383091 :M28__!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 NICK :M28 < 1401919907 158659 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401919909 695990 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401920428 972577 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807] < 1401920462 588528 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401921147 577088 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401921172 466689 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401921193 553700 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401921287 244907 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401921541 178801 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401921567 746580 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401921875 740251 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401923334 435385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401923447 595026 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401923901 453547 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401923901 894860 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1401923901 950599 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1401924113 307456 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401924927 800595 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401924986 868056 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401925090 944335 :nooodl!~nooodl@217.111-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401925186 470551 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401925499 519286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401925582 574454 :scp!~scp@50.247.71.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401925977 545288 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow