00:03:12 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:07:24 http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/28t6he/not_sure_i_have_high_hopes_for_this_class/ 00:07:30 Someone should make a C+ esolang 00:10:03 maaaaan i'd be so bored in that curriculum 00:12:04 ah, the joy of never having classes no more... 00:12:17 (yes. I do still have nightmares from time to time about school.) 00:13:03 shoulda taken a cooler major, like kinesthesiology 00:17:20 -!- ^v has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:17:40 -!- ^v has joined. 00:18:35 Sgeo: like a cross between C and C++ or something? 00:19:22 Yes. Omitting features that other C++ features rely on to make sense 00:22:20 tswett: Eventually = MVar? 00:23:33 elliott: you could probably implement Eventually with MVar. 00:23:51 I'm pretty sure Haskell doesn't guarantee that only one thread will be executing at a time. 00:28:38 -!- Patashu has joined. 00:29:19 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 00:29:19 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 00:32:15 http://blog.izs.me/post/59142742143/designing-apis-for-asynchrony 00:38:48 Ooh. Language idea. 00:39:42 A program consists of an array containing movable objects and stationary objects. Execution consists of repeatedly selecting an arbitrary movable object and direction, and moving it as far as it will go in that direction. 00:40:14 Without overlapping any other objects. 00:41:37 -!- shikhout has joined. 00:42:18 -!- yonathan135 has joined. 00:44:33 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:44:53 hola 00:45:07 `bienvenido yonathan135 00:45:07 yonathan135: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) 00:45:14 -!- yonathan135 has left. 00:53:55 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:55:10 -!- Bike has joined. 00:56:13 -!- Patashu_ has changed nick to Patashu. 00:56:38 oerjan: that may be the cleanest hispanophone-handling I ever saw in this chännel. 00:58:02 Why is the command "bienvenido", like "having been welcomed"? 00:58:42 Probably should be "bienvenir", like "to welcome", aye? 00:58:58 `bienvenue moi-même 00:58:59 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenue: not found 00:59:10 hm. weird. where was the French version again? 00:59:37 Oh shucks. 00:59:58 I should promote Lepwick by creating an IRC bot that executes Unix commands in some account. 01:00:07 tswett: it's the same in French. you wish to somebody that they had a nice well come. (or something probably more grammatical than that.) 01:00:28 «je vous souhaite la bienvenue» → “I wish to you that you came well” 01:00:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:00:56 boily: well, yeah, you say "bienvenido" to a person in order to welcome them. 01:01:22 But if you wanted to order someone else to welcome someone, you wouldn't say "bienvenido" to the orderee. 01:01:38 Nor would you say "bienvenir", for that matter. Unless the orderee is a computer. 01:02:03 So what's the latest best IRC bot? 01:03:02 FutaServ 01:03:16 FutaServ??? 01:03:39 -!- barrucadu has changed nick to barruca2. 01:03:47 -!- barruca2 has changed nick to barrucadu. 01:04:30 -!- barrucadu has changed nick to barruca2. 01:04:38 -!- barruca2 has changed nick to barrucadu. 01:06:40 Whoops, I destroyed littlesyl's sudoers database. 01:07:43 Fortunately, I can magically undestroy it. 01:11:38 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 01:14:10 -!- boily has quit (Quit: WELLCAMED CHICKEN). 01:14:12 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:16:15 `` ls wisdom/welcome* 01:16:16 wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/welcome.bork \ wisdom/welcome.es \ wisdom/welcome.fi 01:16:35 `` grep bienvenu wisdom/* 01:16:35 grep: wisdom/d: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory 01:16:36 | 01:16:36 º¯`\o 01:16:49 seems like we don't have any 01:17:02 oh hm 01:17:05 So, what's something you can't do in HackEgo? 01:17:12 `` grep -i bien wisdom/* 01:17:14 wisdom/bienvenue:Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) \ grep: wisdom/d: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a di 01:17:17 Besides resolving DNS? 01:17:25 silly case 01:22:10 deepnds on what you mean by "in" 01:22:13 `yes 01:22:13 y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 01:22:29 can't make it spam itself to death 01:22:57 -!- lepwick has joined. 01:23:09 Like, something you might hope to be able to do with a Unix shell that you can't do with HackEgo. 01:23:18 -!- lepwick has quit (Client Quit). 01:23:34 tswett: vim is probably pretty awkward to use hth 01:23:47 oerjan: tht 01:24:12 yw 01:24:38 `irssi 01:24:38 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: irssi: not found 01:24:41 `emacs 01:24:42 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: emacs: not found 01:24:48 dag 01:24:49 `vi 01:25:19 Vim: Warning: Output is not to a terminal \ [1;24r[?25h[?8c[?25h[?0c[27m[24m[0m[H[J[?25l[?1c[2;1H[1m[34m~ [3;1H~ [4;1H~ 01:26:27 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:27:23 -!- Patashu has joined. 01:33:42 that's good 01:37:54 huh i got a blue screen of death on windows 8 01:39:24 grumble, now i need to find my place again in the shtetl-optimized comment tabs 01:40:39 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:40:48 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:41:28 what, his page numbers aren't chronological 01:45:26 -!- lepwick has joined. 01:45:31 @unix whoami 01:45:31 Maybe you meant: unpl unpf undo 01:45:39 Maybe I should figure out what lepwick's command prefix is. 01:45:53 oh lepwick is a bot? 01:46:09 lepwick is, yeah. 01:46:10 Lepwick isn't, but lepwick is. 01:46:14 i almost `relcomed it last time it was 01:46:24 here 01:46:48 `relcome lepwick 01:46:48 lepwick: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 01:46:48 [ 404 Not Found ] - esolangs.org 01:47:34 .unix whoami 01:47:34 NameError: global name 'subprocess' is not defined (file "/home/ircbot/.willie/modules/unix.py", line 6, in unix) 01:47:42 -!- lepwick has quit (Client Quit). 01:48:06 More like [ 404 Not Found ] - http://esolangs.org/%3E 01:48:26 -!- lepwick has joined. 01:49:02 -!- ^v has joined. 01:49:18 -!- lepwick has quit (Client Quit). 01:49:51 Forgot to import subprocess. 01:50:02 Um. 01:50:03 Okay. 01:50:53 I thought lepwick was no longer running. 01:50:57 -!- Sgeo has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 01:50:57 According to ps, lepwick is indeed no longer running. 01:51:33 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:52:26 That took a really long time to quit. 01:52:34 Wait, what... 01:52:52 lepwick: how are you still here? The process isn't running any more! 01:54:43 lepwick isn't here hth 01:55:18 -!- tswett has changed nick to lepwick. 01:55:37 -!- coppro has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:55:48 -!- coppro has joined. 01:55:53 either you are really lagged or you aren't responding to pings hth 01:55:59 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:57:13 `run echo tell 01:57:20 tell 01:58:02 oerjan: I guess I am really lagged. 01:58:05 I'm so lagged that I haven't gotten your message saying that I'm really lagged. 01:58:19 shocking 01:58:29 and _still_ hasn't responded to my pings. 01:58:42 -!- lepwick has quit (Quit: lepwick). 01:58:44 oh there 01:58:56 -!- tswett has joined. 01:58:59 212 seconds 01:59:42 Well, gee, it's traveling HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD. 01:59:48 -!- tswett has changed nick to lepwick. 02:00:11 -!- lepwick has changed nick to tswett. 02:00:59 -!- lepwick has joined. 02:01:06 .unix whoami 02:01:06 ircbotbox 02:01:10 Woo. 02:01:47 .unix echo -e 'blah\nblah\nblah' 02:01:47 blahblahblah 02:02:24 So yeah. 02:02:38 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:03:16 .unix false 02:03:16 CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u'false']' returned non-zero exit status 1 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) 02:06:05 -!- coppro has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:06:12 -!- coppro has joined. 02:06:25 -!- wagner has joined. 02:08:02 .unix sed 's/lepwick/lepwick2/' /home/ircbot/.willie/default.cfg stupidwilliecfg 02:08:02 CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u"sed 's/lepwick/lepwick2/' /home/ircbot/.willie/default.cfg stupidwilliecfg"]' returned non-zero exit status 2 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) 02:08:25 `welcome wagner 02:08:35 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 02:08:38 .unix sed 's/member:lepwick/lepwick2/' /home/ircbot/.willie/default.cfg stupidwilliecfg 2>&1; true 02:08:39 sed: can't read stupidwilliecfg: No such file or directory[core]nick = lepwickhost = irc.freenode.netuse_ssl = Falseport = 6667owner = tswettchannels = #esotericexclude = url[db]userdb_type = sqliteuserdb_file = /home/ircbot/userdb.sqlite 02:08:44 oh, HackEgo isn't here 02:08:52 HackEgo isn't here? 02:08:53 wagner: hi! no bother intended if not, but are you hagb4rd? (just a persistent problem with a ban-evading user who uses your ISP) 02:09:03 tswett: okay, HackEgo is here, but ignored me 02:09:39 hi elliott 02:10:07 hi@all 02:10:22 hagbard celine? 02:11:16 aka karl kochj? i think he's dead.. suicide. 02:12:25 wagner: have you ever been banned here before, under another name? 02:12:43 no 02:13:47 do you know karl koch? a famous german hacker in the 80s 02:14:43 huh. okay, I find that interesting, since the only person to use your ISP in here in many, many months is him, and he's also evaded his ban with webchat before on the IP range 77.11.*. you also type like him and act like him 02:14:51 wagner: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 02:14:57 I don't mean to fuss you if you are truly someone else, but I'm sure you can see how that looks pretty suspicious in isolation :) 02:16:12 .unix PYTHONPATH=/home/ircbot/lib/python /home/ircbot/bin/willie -d -c /home/ircbotbox/stupidwillie.cfg 02:17:19 Mm-hmm. 02:17:26 Whelp. Have at it. 02:18:12 .unix rm -rf ~ 02:18:12 CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u'rm -rf ~']' returned non-zero exit status 1 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) 02:18:33 Oh right. Because 02:18:39 .unix whoami; echo ~ 02:18:40 ircbotbox/home/ircbot 02:19:02 .unix rm -rf /home/ircbotbox/* 02:22:06 elliott: he used to say hi too? :) well..probably same ISP. and webchat is the only web-client i know working with freenode..isn't it? 02:23:38 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :) (but in case you are him, I think it's a good sign you don't know what tells I'm going by!) 02:24:59 yes, i'm not sure if i want to stay by myself. i give you the benefit of not knowing if i like it here ;) 02:26:33 `run sleep 300; echo hi 02:26:36 .unix sleep 300; echo hi 02:26:54 wagner: sorry for the poor welcome :) 02:26:59 he's rather persistent. 02:27:05 np :) 02:27:05 No output. 02:27:16 See? This is why lepwick is superior. 02:28:23 I don't think there's any time limit on computations. 02:31:22 I'm on the edge of my seat. 02:31:36 hi 02:31:41 \o/ 02:31:41 | 02:31:42 /| 02:32:16 .unix sleep 200000; echo 'hi everyone :)' 02:32:21 I'm not on the edge of my seat for this one. 02:32:53 Note that anyone can interact with the process, kill it, whatever. Isn't that awesome. 02:40:05 -!- lollo64it has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:42:11 -!- lollo64it has joined. 02:43:39 `run uname -a 02:43:40 Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux 02:45:27 .unix echo are you multitasking 02:45:27 are you multitasking 02:50:22 And now I try to get a bot to repsond to another one again, since there's a new one. 02:50:57 .unix sleep 10; echo hi fungot 02:50:57 MDude: it logs the date and time every time you cast the result of the 02:51:07 hi fungot 02:51:07 lepwick: really? why not some other writer? sn fnord fnord /usr/ lib... so i could provide. 02:51:46 Yes, hmm. 02:53:39 -!- zzo38 has joined. 02:53:58 by tradition you're supposed to make a bot loop hth 02:55:21 .unix echo hm ^hm 02:55:21 hm ^hm 02:55:57 i see how to do it but i'm overqualified 02:56:53 To avoid bot loop you can make it detect overuse and reply using a NOTICE instead of PRIVMSG in such a case, which therefore exits the loop. 02:57:12 zzo38: we're not trying to avoid it hth 02:58:14 hint: fungot has a convenient ^echo command. 02:58:14 oerjan: it could be, with directsound or normal wave out... something like ( apply f 03:02:05 Well to avoid the loop being avoided, you could take advantage of delays. 03:03:13 fiendish 03:03:30 Now I know I could say .unix sleep 10; echo ^echo whatever 03:04:18 But for it to be unending I'll need to figure out how to duplicate and concatinate in a one liner. 03:04:22 Actually there are ways to still cause it be avoided, depending how much the delay is. For example you can probably avoid loop being avoided in such way by doubling the delay each time. 03:04:43 MDude: second hint: ^echo doesn't do what you think it does (unless you already know about it) 03:05:00 Probably not, I'll ahve to test it. 03:05:06 ^echo echo 03:05:07 echo echo 03:05:12 -!- Bike has joined. 03:05:14 ^echo sup 03:05:14 sup sup 03:08:13 ^echo .unix sleep 60; echo ^echo 03:08:14 .unix sleep 60; echo ^echo .unix sleep 60; echo ^echo 03:08:36 oops i think that's broken 03:08:37 Now to wait a minute and see how that goes. 03:09:14 ^echo .unix sleep 60^echo 03:09:14 .unix sleep 60^echo .unix sleep 60^echo 03:09:17 CalledProcessError: Command '['sudo', '-u', 'ircbotbox', 'bash', '-c', u'sleep 60^echo .unix sleep 60^echo']' returned non-zero exit status 1 (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 573, in check_output) 03:10:23 hm that wasn't what i thought would be wrong. 03:10:36 To the power of echo? 03:11:07 oh right 03:11:31 stupid ; is interpreted by lepwick instead of passed on to fungot 03:11:32 oerjan: but i dont have the high level 03:12:24 while the extra space didn't matter because it's being parsed into words anyway 03:13:18 it would probably work without the sleep >:) 03:13:56 I guess only one way to find out? 03:14:01 like ^echo .unix echo ^echo or some such? 03:14:10 ^echo .unix echo 03:14:10 .unix echo .unix echo 03:14:11 .unix echo 03:14:27 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:27 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:27 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:27 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:28 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:28 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:29 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:29 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:29 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:29 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:30 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:30 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:31 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:31 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:32 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:32 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:32 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:33 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:33 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:33 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:34 ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:34 .unix echo ^echo .unix echo ^echo 03:14:35 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +q *!*@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com. 03:14:37 Thanks 03:14:45 Sevastopol 03:14:58 it's all your fault nooodl 03:15:04 that's: a good way to test 03:15:09 texhnolysis 03:15:29 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -q *!*@ec2-54-83-10-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com. 03:15:39 whose idea was it to make fungot's echo a potential y-combinator? 03:15:39 Quintopia: isn't it fnord in haskell. um... that seemo person doesn't seem particularly censored to me either 03:16:02 Quintopia: well it's just stupid for an echo _not_ to repeat things, right? 03:16:26 it's a mockingbird, not Y 03:16:31 oerjan: if it's going to repeat them, it should repeat them on separate lines and in a much smaller font 03:16:38 You should really just make it detect a possible loop and reply using NOTICE if such a thing seems likely, when writing such IRC bot program. 03:16:45 fr: echo command that repeats the final word... word... word... 03:16:51 Furthermore, make it to never reply to any NOTICE. 03:16:57 zzo38: good idea. oh wait, rice's theorem 03:17:20 So wait, why'd lepwick stop responding. 03:17:24 well, you could just cut messages beginning in punctuation. 03:17:29 Quintopia: fungot's commands cannot do newlines 03:17:29 oerjan: yeah it is. it being pleasant mitigates the effect somewhat. and i don't 03:17:33 tswett: +q 03:17:46 oerjan: i like nooodl's idea 03:17:47 * tswett nods. 03:18:19 You totally should have come up with a .unix command that would kill the offending echo. 03:18:23 The Man censoring us 03:18:26 elliott: in a concatenative language, what's the difference? 03:18:39 the same as in a non-concatenative language? 03:18:41 unfair randomizer 03:19:22 For some reason my client doesn't show the +q. 03:19:29 Quintopia: I know about Rice's theorem, but you only have to guess, not to be perfect, and I have some ideas about how to make such a guess, in several ways. In such ways, it will be the case such that doubling the delay every time is not detected by this algorithm, but that will slow it down sufficiently anyways and is not such a problem (if it is, a bot can be quit and reconnect, +q, or whatever) 03:19:35 If you wanted, you could also make each response longer than tha last. 03:19:47 Until some presumable characte r length is reached. 03:19:58 Is fungot in any other channels? 03:19:59 tswett: for c there is a linux on the newer computers, solaris just runs on the whole thing 03:20:12 the most annoying thing about the botloops here is that they make people start blabbering about NOTICE. 03:20:25 I should write down more ideas somewhere. 03:20:33 oerjan: see, if we had the bots issue a NOTICE NOTICE, we'd be able to avoid that 03:20:53 Like #botloop? 03:21:01 They sould issue SUPs instead. 03:21:13 Like a NOTICE, but they say SUP instead. 03:21:28 I think SUP is not a valid IRC command. 03:22:06 tswett: not that i know of 03:22:44 I don't know all the IRC commands, and thought you just means lines starting with the word NOTICE in all caps. 03:23:30 The NOTICE command is another way of sending messages to a channel. Some IRC clients misinterpret NOTICEs as being important. 03:23:32 No, I mean a message sent to the channel using NOTICE instead of PRIVMSG if the algorithm determines it likely that a botloop would be caused. 03:24:03 NOTICE is also used for replying to client queries. 03:24:26 The intended use is that automatic responses are supposed to be NOTICEs, and an automatic response is never supposed to be generated to a NOTICE. 03:24:37 According to Wikipedia, NOTICE works similarly to PRIVMSG, except automatic replies must never be sent in reply to NOTICE messages. 03:24:52 Here's a great idea. 03:24:53 MDude: Yes, and this is exactly what I am suggesting, in fact. 03:24:56 yeah, the idea is that bots could use notices. 03:24:59 but nobody does that. 03:25:04 We'll say that a bot should only respond to a message that's repeated twice. 03:25:16 So that bot loops decay exponentially. 03:25:22 I'm going to start kicking people if my IRC workspace keeps going red. 03:25:42 Switch clients hth, bro? 03:25:49 I am suggesting that if you do not want to use notices all the time, you can make it decide by using such thing. 03:25:58 is there a way to ban anybody who says hth 03:26:00 I'm also going to start kicking people if they say things like "hth, bro?" at me. 03:26:16 even irssi makes notices more annoying than privmsg in channel :( 03:26:29 oerjan: Can't you configure that somehow? 03:26:35 especially the bro part. 03:26:45 Is there something like notices that gets less attention than notices? 03:26:49 At least the IRC client I use, does not do any annoying/stupid things like that. 03:26:50 Notices 03:26:52 elliott: /set beep_msg_level to disable notices. 03:26:53 Maybe announements. 03:27:09 zzo38: probably. but requiring _everyone_ to do that will get you hated. 03:27:48 -!- lepwick has quit (Quit: Quitting on command from tswett). 03:28:11 -!- lepwick has joined. 03:28:43 I don't think going red every time an automated message is sent the way the protocol was designed to have it sent is the best design for a client. 03:28:47 Well, I can write just as well on a IRC channel, please don't make any bot respond to any command or event on the IRC using the PRIVMSG command; please use NOTICE instead, and don't ever reply to a NOTICE automatically. 03:29:21 In such a channel most bots are not allowed until they are being fixed, of course!! 03:29:38 unfortunately we haven't yet invented time machines to go back in time and put horse heads in the beds of bad irc client programmers. 03:29:52 maybe you haven't. 03:29:54 when we do, all this will have been fixed hth 03:31:54 Are bots allowed to respond to NOTICEs containing profanity? 03:32:06 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 03:32:07 I think I have been told also once that some features of my IRC client are more accurate than those of other clients, such as being able to respond to messages embedded inside of another message. ACTION (like this one) 03:32:14 Or is that a loophole against anti-profanity bots in the interest of blocking botloops 03:32:20 Sgeo: Not with another message. 03:32:42 They're allowed to respond to any NOTICEs at all. 03:32:43 ...aye? 03:32:47 If they wish to have a bot to avoid profanity (although I do not think this is a good idea at all!), just make it KICK without posting any other kind of message. 03:33:20 And of course it can still *log* notices and perform statistics on them, just not reply directly to them using a PRIVMSG, NOTICE, or similar. 03:34:07 How does my "(like this one)" message appears in your IRC clients? What if it is a command other than ACTION, though? 03:34:29 zzo38: that message to me looks like it ends in "message. ACTION (like this one)" 03:35:10 I saw something similar to tswett but there was a weird character in front and a weird character behind it 03:35:13 tswett: Are there any colors or control-symbols displayed? There should be at least such thing 03:35:30 Sgeo: Yes, what "weird character" is OK 03:35:44 ␁ in front ␁ behind 03:35:50 I have no idea how that will display to others 03:36:32 ACTION Does this message display differently to you? Here is another sentence afterward, does it affect it too? 03:36:39 See same weird character 03:36:52 Also, http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2014-06-23 shows my copy/pasted version of the character, but not in your message 03:37:13 glogbot sees that most recent message of yours as an ACTION 03:37:21 zzo38: nope, no control symbols or colors or anything. 03:37:22 With the second cut off 03:37:37 zzo38: then your second message displayed all as one emote. 03:37:56 Do you mean the second sentence? I posted two sentences, one inside of the ACTION block and one outside. 03:38:12 "zzo38 Does this message display differently to you? Here is another sentence afterward, does it affect it too" 03:38:35 O, OK 03:40:05 I think once someone tried sending a TIME request or something like that to the channel inside of the middle of another message, and mine is the only one that responded; I think the specification actually specifies that it is supposed to be allowed in the middle of other messages. 03:41:04 [wiki] [[Slide]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39893 * 107.5.152.253 * (+1149) Created page with "'''Slide''' is an esoteric programming language created by Tanner Swett in 2014. A Slide program consists of a two-dimensional array of spaces, periods, and lowercase English..." 03:42:37 I also think that other IRC clients do not do syntax highlighting, isn't it? 03:43:00 syntax for what, natural langauge? 03:43:06 No, for IRC. 03:43:29 Someone prove my language Turing complete thanks. 03:43:30 syntax for what, natural language? 03:44:24 No, it syntax highlight the IRC. For example it display ":Bike!~Glossina@71-222-123-162.ptld.qwest.net" in cyan, "PRIVMSG" in white, "#esoteric" in gray, the colon afterward in gray, and "syntax for what, natural langauge?" in blue. 03:44:38 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 03:44:46 Most IRC clients hide that stuff 03:44:54 Isn't there that RawIRC client that does in fact syntax highlight the IRC? 03:44:58 you have a client that shows you the raw message, huh 03:45:35 Bike: Yes, I have. 03:45:35 I think it is not useful to hide that kinds of stuff 03:45:40 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ds84182 * New user account 03:46:17 tswett: Maybe, but this is a different one, not RawIRC. 03:46:23 I don't need to see "PRIVMSG #esoteric :" on every PRIVMSG sent to #esoteric to know that it's a PRIVMSG sent to #esoteric. 03:47:30 It still is not perfect; for example, there are no options to open additional windows and to redirect messages to other windows. There are a few other things missing too, but most of it is complete. 03:49:08 Commands that are typed in also use the same syntax highlighting, including client commands with a slash in front. Also I have shortcut, if no command is typed and the first key is a space-bar, it automatically fill in "PRIVMSG" and a channel and colon. 03:49:27 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 03:49:38 In my experience, this way better. 03:51:14 tswett: i don't know, but one thing i can prove is: you don't need the spaces 03:52:36 I assume that by spaces you mean barriers rather than empty spaces? 03:52:49 proof being: "zooming" all of your objects by a factor 3 obviously results in an equivalent one, and ' ' can then map to 'aaa\naba\naaa' 03:52:50 yeah 03:53:12 Yup. 03:53:40 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:54:25 So, it's easy enough to create something that can move back and forth. 03:54:58 Can you make a spaceship? A pattern that moves forever, but only in one direction? 03:57:19 Can you make logic gates in any way? 03:59:49 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39894 * Ds84182 * (+602) Created page with "Xihcute is a esolanguage created by ds84182. It is self modifying, stack based, and most likely turning complete. ==Operators== {| class="wikitable" |- ! Name !! Description |..." 04:00:06 .unix :(){ :|:& };: 04:01:03 -!- lepwick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:01:05 -!- sebbu has joined. 04:01:38 It actually worked? 04:01:42 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 04:01:42 -!- sebbu has joined. 04:01:53 I think it actually worked. 04:03:34 It worked so well that I can't SSH into the host. 04:04:40 hm. how do you prove a language *isn't* turing complete when you can't cheat by pointing out some "finity" limitation it runs into 04:04:55 Solve its halting problem. 04:05:09 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39895&oldid=39894 * Ds84182 * (+578) Added more of Xihcutes instructions from it's working interpreter 04:05:38 How many languages have solved halting problems that the solution is NOT 'always halts' or 'never halts'? 04:06:18 Yup, that forkbomb was super effective. 04:06:21 as many as you'd like 04:06:49 I wonder what's the shortest /// program that outputs infinitely much stuff. 04:07:21 I don't think one shorter than about a hundred characters has been found. 04:07:38 Sgeo_: take some language L with halting problem solution 'never halts'. define a language L' that halts for only one program p which is not in L, and otherwise behaves exactly like L 04:08:41 How many such languages that were not designed to have "trivial" (whatever that means) answers? 04:09:09 Aren't most languages pretty clearly designed to have some programs that halt and some that don't? 04:09:11 i think that sadly depends on: whatever that means 04:09:34 I wonder if it's possible to abuse the specification of Proce and make it do digital computation. 04:10:16 SQL isn't TC, is it? Is it trivially halting? 04:11:43 Sgeo_: the 0x29A functional fragment was one i solved the halting problem for, without being either. 04:12:23 the wiki seems slow 04:13:55 I went to refresh, page rendered, pressed stop 04:14:36 ah right Subtle Cough was the other one. 04:14:47 slightly more trivial. 04:15:05 (only three cases to check) 04:15:13 er 04:15:20 only 3*3 04:15:46 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39896&oldid=39895 * Ds84182 * (+371) 04:27:27 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:27:47 -!- Patashu has joined. 04:33:48 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39897&oldid=39896 * Ds84182 * (+149) 04:36:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 04:39:24 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39898&oldid=39897 * Ds84182 * (+138) 04:42:48 Yeah, you can obviously make digital logic gates in Proce. 04:42:51 Must nerf. 04:43:54 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39899&oldid=39898 * Ds84182 * (+366) Added a length independent quine 04:49:11 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39900&oldid=39899 * Ds84182 * (+9) Change "Quine" to "Cheating Quine", because my method is cheating... 04:50:07 [wiki] [[Proce]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39901&oldid=32990 * 107.5.152.253 * (+248) Nerf by limiting slew rate 04:51:34 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:51:52 [wiki] [[Xihcute]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39902&oldid=39900 * Ds84182 * (+70) 04:52:19 Sgeo_: SQL is now TC, due to a WITH command. 04:57:09 Whelp, Funciton is my favorite esolang at the moment. 04:57:44 -!- tswett has quit (Quit: tswett). 05:47:06 -!- FreeFull has quit. 05:55:33 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:59:23 I want to add 'legal, winning, and not fun' to oerjan's wisdom 06:06:32 [wiki] [[Gentzen]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39903&oldid=39892 * Zzo38 * (+270) 06:06:40 -!- password2 has joined. 06:07:59 Why? 06:08:31 `? oerjan 06:08:32 Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. 06:10:35 -!- ^v has changed nick to ^0. 06:19:27 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 06:21:45 That is what is wrong with playing cash games. Just play a tournament style (even if there are only two players), each player starts same number of chips, and nobody wins until the other player loses all of their chips. You can bet money on winning if you want to, and it does not have to correspond to how many chips they are. Amount of money in your pocket is therefore irrelevant, except that you need to have enough to afford to pay the entry fee 06:26:32 but people will bet less then 06:28:29 -!- Speed` has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:29:05 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:29:37 -!- Speed` has joined. 06:29:42 -!- erdic has joined. 06:30:33