00:00:28 <boily> in which context is it not working properly?
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00:24:42 <zzo38> Well, I did get the PADsynth to work in AmigaMML.
00:24:54 <zzo38> But, not FM synth; I cannot get that to work very well!
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00:26:33 <zzo38> Do you have advice for writing a proper FM synthesizer (but is not too complicated)?
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00:32:47 <boily> probably through additive synthesis. it may not be real pure standard fm synthesis, but it's cheap and easy to play with.
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00:35:27 <boily> (that beta between the two operators in the first diagram on the wikipédia article confuses me.)
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00:36:51 <zzo38> I mean I would intend to implement each operator, where each operator consists of ADSR envelope (with a fixed sustain duration of zero), a tremolo flag, vibrato flag, rectify-waveform flag, and a frequency modulator input.
00:37:03 <zzo38> What is the proper way to do it?
00:40:52 <Sgeo_> Should I be looking at Swift?
00:40:59 <Sgeo_> Will Swift ever be usable on non-Apple machines?
00:41:34 <boily> zzo38: have you ever used Reason, or anything similar?
00:41:39 <boily> Sgeo_: yes, maybe.
00:42:27 <zzo38> No, I have not used those
00:42:33 <zzo38> I have used Csound
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00:42:52 <zzo38> I am not exactly sure what "Reason" is, although I have heard of it
00:43:07 <boily> well, Reason is very visual, and you stack and connect different modules in a virtual rack. they demos explain quite a bit of how it works.
00:43:18 <boily> https://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/
00:44:28 <boily> on implementation possibility: you'd have a generator, generating pure samples. nothing more than a level. and then you'd pipe that level through various filters and distortions.
00:44:32 <zzo38> I have used other DAW software on other people's computer, but I just prefer Csound myself; it is the best kind of DAW software in my opinion.
00:45:07 <zzo38> Csound does work like you describe; you can do it like that, or use commands to generate the tone directly, or a combination of such.
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01:00:02 <zzo38> I have seen much of the other software and conclude that Csound is still the best one (Csound is also Free software, was written in 1986, and is still being updated today).
01:03:43 <zzo38> Both batch and live modes are supported, it supports MIDI and audio I/O, both from file and live, can load extensions (Csound extensions, VST extensions, and LADSPA extensions), and it can be used as a VST extension, and it supports optional FLTK GUI, and then many other input devices: keyboard, mouse, joystick, and Wii remotes.
01:04:17 <zzo38> Csound is also usable as a Ableton Live extension if you wish to do so.
01:07:49 <zzo38> I have not used most of these features, but they are there.
01:08:27 <zzo38> The only type of input I have used is from a text file, and the only type of output is to a audio file.
01:08:30 <zzo38> But, it can do much more.
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04:13:34 <zzo38> Now I made version 0.4 of AmigaMML. Do you like this?
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05:29:38 <Sgeo_> "What a shame. I was hoping for a list of truly bizarre programming languages, in the vein of APL, MUMPS and PHP. "
05:29:42 <Sgeo_> http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/1wivj6/10_most_bizarre_programming_languages_ever/
05:30:59 <Sgeo_> Reading /r/ProgrammingLanguages
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06:00:04 <zzo38> Does anyone else ever make such things where logical negation rules are considered as structural rules?
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13:36:49 <impomatic_> Does anyone recognise this programming language? https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/481366103424512000/photo/1
13:39:07 <b_jonas> impomatic_: I don't recognize that
13:39:31 <b_jonas> impomatic_: it's probably something old because it has ".and.", could it be a fortran variant?
13:41:36 <impomatic_> b_jonas: I think it's the dBase language, but I don't remember ever using dBase...
13:43:58 <boily> I don't think it's dBase, per wikipédia's examples.
13:46:19 <impomatic_> I'm going by the colour codes, e.g. W/BG+ for white text on a cyan background.
13:46:55 <impomatic_> Although something else might use the same / similar codes.
13:49:27 <b_jonas> it probably means intensity, so W+/BG is bright white on cyan background
13:49:36 <boily> b_jonas: http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=632745
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14:06:29 <fizzie> I like how the only reply to the "what language is this?" tweet is "what language is this?"
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14:41:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:BytePusher II]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39919 * GreyKnight * (+1752) I suppose I should be a Knight
14:51:23 <MDream> I ought to bother logging into the wiki again, if only to take the time to categorize uncateogrized pages.
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15:02:58 <boily> Gregor: 503 SERVICE UNAVAILABLE!!!1!!one!!!1!!11!
15:03:09 <boily> (oh. hm. it seems to be back to normal.)
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15:17:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BytePusher II]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39920&oldid=39917 * GreyKnight * (+52) categories
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15:31:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Turning tarpit]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39921&oldid=33737 * GreyKnight * (+70) this page isn't itself a turning tarpit!
15:36:16 <MDude> I dunno about that, I think descriptions of a general category go in the category they describe, or at least that's how Wikiepedia does it.
15:36:58 <MDude> Either that or the category page needs to link to the description from the category page description.
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15:53:15 <myname> is lambda calculus considered a turing tarpit?
15:57:30 <int-e> good question. it starts out as one, but you have higher order functions which are extremely neat for abstraction, so in principle you can get out of the pit.
15:58:41 <MDude> I find it odd that two brainfuck derivatives are in that category, but not the original.
15:58:57 <ion> Shouldn’t a turing tarpit be difficult? Is lambda calculus considered difficult?
15:58:58 <MDude> Maybe jus tmake brainfuck derivatives a turing tarpit subcategorey?
16:00:06 <ion> I’d be okay with calling SKI calculus difficult to use but perhaps not lambda calculus.
16:02:36 <int-e> ion: yet there's a straight-forward translation from lambda calculus to SKI calculus
16:03:23 <int-e> (though you have a point there; the only way I've ever written unlambda programs beyond hello world is by writing them in lambda calculus)
16:03:27 <ion> There’s an even more straight-forward translation from the usual lambda calculus to one with de Bruijn indices and i’d also call the latter difficult to use.
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17:29:33 <FireFly> impomatic_: it looks BASIC-y to me
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17:53:12 <FireFly> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/3kdwea32(v=vs.80).aspx looks similar
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19:25:26 <fizzie> Perhaps not terribly unlikely for dBase and FoxPro languages to look similar.
19:26:48 <fizzie> I believe FoxPro's been a dBase look-alike in its past.
19:27:19 <fizzie> Having .T. for truth and then && etc. instead of .AND. looks kinda strange.
19:36:50 <b_jonas> fizzie: isn't that a fortranism?
19:37:22 <b_jonas> all old programming languages from that era had that because you couldn't punch && to a punch card. && was spreaded by the success of C later.
19:38:25 <boily> & didn't exist on punch cards?
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19:40:11 <fizzie> b_jonas: Having .T. and .AND. both wouldn't look strange. But FireFly's FoxPro link had .T. yet still &&.
19:40:46 <fizzie> (FORTRAN spells it .TRUE., too.)
19:40:47 <b_jonas> fizzie: probaby because it's not that old
19:41:40 <fizzie> Then it shouldn't have .T. either.
19:41:49 <b_jonas> why, what should it have instead?
19:42:13 <fizzie> .T. obviously pairs with the .X. style boolean operators.
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19:43:54 <tswett> douglass: I think it's significantly harder to make 99% isopropanol than 70% isopropanol or whatever.
19:45:00 <douglass> This makes sense, and yet when I've seen it for sale it doesn't seem correspondingly more expensive.
19:45:22 <douglass> Also 70% has (or should have) higher demand because it's better at disinfecting thins
19:45:42 <tswett> Mm, Wikipedia says that distilling gives you 91% ABV.
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19:46:45 <fizzie> Well, I mean. They've clearly copied .T. from somewhere. dBASE, most likely. Which also has .OR., .NOT. and so on.
19:47:35 <fizzie> Anyway, never mind since I just totally misread the sample. :p
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19:47:53 <fizzie> Turns out && is the inline comment indicator.
19:49:02 <fizzie> (Though they *also* seem to have dropped the dots out of the operators, and just kept them as keywords AND and OR.)
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19:58:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * RYANNINJASHEEP * New user account
19:59:24 <tswett> My brain initially broke that up as Ryannin Jasheep.
20:03:01 <olsner> who's ryannin jasheep?
20:04:44 <int-e> playing with http://wordsmith.org/anagram/ ... "Japan Yen Shrine" is an anagram of "Ryannin Jasheep".
20:09:14 <boily> maybe “ryannin” is some kind of weird chinese-dialect-imported-into-japanese meaning 「二人」...
20:10:37 <boily> (but that doesn't explain what's a “jasheep” at all.)
20:11:45 <olsner> maybe Ja Rule rules over Ja Sheep
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20:55:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Slide]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39922 * GreyKnight * (+980) Created page with "Wouldn't it be better to use spaces for empty space? I've also been using "#" for immovables in my scribblings here. Of course, the input syntax doesn't really matter once e..."
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21:31:40 <oerjan> <impomatic_> Does anyone recognise this programming language? https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/481366103424512000/photo/1 <-- no, but now i know what you look like *MWAHAHAHA*
21:36:04 <oerjan> <MDude> Maybe jus tmake brainfuck derivatives a turing tarpit subcategorey? <-- to me turing tarpit implies minimalism, and not all brainfuck derivatives are minimalistic.
21:36:21 <oerjan> @tell MDude <MDude> Maybe jus tmake brainfuck derivatives a turing tarpit subcategorey? <-- to me turing tarpit implies minimalism, and not all brainfuck derivatives are minimalistic.
21:38:13 <oerjan> <ion> Shouldn’t a turing tarpit be difficult? Is lambda calculus considered difficult? <-- lambda calculus is a turing tarpit that, unlike most others, minimalizes on abstraction itself. therefore it can be one while still being useable.
21:38:27 <oerjan> @tell ion <ion> Shouldn’t a turing tarpit be difficult? Is lambda calculus considered difficult? <-- lambda calculus is a turing tarpit that, unlike most others, minimalizes on abstraction itself. therefore it can be one while still being useable.
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21:44:20 <shachaf> oerjan: your evil schemes involve knowing what people look like?
21:45:04 <oerjan> how else can my robots recognize them
21:45:29 <shachaf> well i look like this http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png hth
21:45:30 <oerjan> i suppose dna, but that's even harder to find via internet
21:46:56 <oerjan> shachaf: i always knew you were a fan
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22:21:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:BytePusher II]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39923&oldid=39919 * Ryanninjasheep * (+135) /* A Question... */ new section
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22:30:55 <nooodl> #esoteric challenge: fire up a text editor and write fizzbuzz in, C or something, without hitting backspace
22:31:14 <nooodl> i'm gonna try this?? oh god
22:33:30 <nooodl> wow yes i should've rolled with this. damn
22:34:10 <Bicyclidine> (loop for i from 1 to 100 when (zerop (mod i 3)) do (print "fizz") when (zerop (mod i oh i forget an unless, well, blah.
22:34:56 <nooodl> oh jesus i started the worst indentation habit but now i have to roll with it
22:35:45 <elliott> unlines [s | i <- [1..100], let p = (i `mod` 3) == 0, let q = (i `mo` 5 == 0), let s = if p then "Fizz" else "" ++ if q then "Buzz" else ""]
22:36:03 <elliott> let's just pretend I put main = putStr $ in front of that
22:36:17 <nortti> I assume all vi commands for deleting or changing text are also prohibited in the challenge?
22:36:27 <Bicyclidine> > unlines [s | i <- [1..100], let p = (i `mod` 3) == 0, let q = (i `mo` 5 == 0), let s = if p then "Fizz" else "" ++ if q then "Buzz" else ""] where mo = mod
22:36:28 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:143: parse error on input ‘where’
22:36:35 <nooodl> for vi you enter insert mode and never look back
22:36:44 <elliott> > let mo = mod in unlines [s | i <- [1..100], let p = (i `mod` 3) == 0, let q = (i `mo` 5 == 0), let s = if p then "Fizz" else "" ++ if q then "Buzz" else ""]
22:36:45 <lambdabot> "\n\nFizz\n\nBuzz\nFizz\n\n\nFizz\nBuzz\n\nFizz\n\n\nFizz\n\n\nFizz\n\nBuzz\...
22:36:53 <shachaf> "... where ..." isn't an expression
22:36:58 <elliott> aw I guess the \ns are cheating
22:39:25 <nooodl> fizzbuzz isn't hard enough though. hm
22:40:08 <Bicyclidine> well, i could just name infinite programming tasks, i guess.
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22:44:44 <nooodl> > let ps = 2 : 3 : filter p [5,7,..]-- oops what did i o
22:44:45 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:32: parse error on input ‘..’
22:45:30 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:6: parse error on input ‘..’
22:45:38 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:9: parse error on input ‘]’
22:45:48 <nooodl> > let ps = filter p [2..] where p n = all (\x -> mod n x == 0) [2..n-1] in ps
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22:48:24 <nooodl> pretend i caught that just a bit earlier and
22:48:25 <nooodl> > let ps = filter p [2..] where p n = all (\x -> mod n x == 0) [2..n-1]; (==) = (/=) in ps
22:48:27 <lambdabot> [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,...
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22:56:33 <boily> nooodl: helooooodl.
22:57:06 <boily> (I was watching some ethoslab.)
22:57:22 <oerjan> > [x | let x = mo; mo = 2]
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22:57:48 <oerjan> so it could have been repaired after the mo`
22:59:18 <oerjan> is there anything that could have repaired it much later
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23:04:33 * oerjan cannot think of anything
23:08:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:BytePusher II]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39924&oldid=39923 * Javamannen * (+2125)
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